REACH 438 - What are your views on the measures introduced at the parliamentary debate on the White Paper on Singapore’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic?
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22 Mar 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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[9:59 am, 22/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Parliament continued debating the White Paper on Singapore’s Covid-19 response on Tuesday.
In his closing speech, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong noted that Singapore fared well in saving both lives and livelihoods relative to other countries during the Covid-19 pandemic, and did so without spending excessively. Key to that was the trust that Singaporeans had in the Government to make the right decisions, and in one another, so as to endure the tough measures needed to tide the country over the crisis, he added.
π¬ What are your views on the measures introduced at the parliamentary debate on the White Paper on Singapore’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic?
Here are some key takeaways:
π Transitional Care Facilities (TCFs) to stay
TCFs set up during the pandemic to ease the workload in hospitals are set to stay for the medium or even long term. Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said they are for medically stable patients from public hospitals who are waiting for long-term care arrangements such as nursing home care. These facilities will help address the rising hospital workload. A new TCF will be set up in the west in the next few months
π No more DORSCON
In its place will be a tiered framework that better reflects the severity of public health situations. The first tier will denote a peacetime state, while the fourth and most serious tier denotes a state of public health emergency. The new framework is meant to provide a more intuitive way to communicate the severity of a crisis. The law will spell out the measures to be taken at each tier, providing more clarity on what can be expected depending on the situation.
π Setting up of a new Communicable Diseases Agency (CDA)
The CDA will oversee disease preparedness, prevention and control, surveillance, risk assessment and outbreak response in Singapore. Minister Ong also said MOH will separately retain a permanent Crisis Strategy and Operations Group (CSOG) to maintain surge readiness for a mid-sized outbreak and other health emergencies. In peacetime, the CSOG will help operationalise Healthier SG, Singapore’s major preventive health strategy that will start enrolment in July.
π S$140m of expired COVID-19 vaccines
About 15% of Singapore's COVID-19 vaccine doses worth S$140 million have expired. Minister Ong said Singapore had "deliberately over-procured" to mitigate the uncertainty of selected vaccine candidates not working, and the possibility of supply chains being disrupted. This meant having spare vaccine stock, which would expire. Singapore has tried to donate spare vaccines but there have been no takers because of an oversupply of vaccines worldwide.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/singapore-came-through-pandemic-well-without-spending-excessively-lawrence-wong
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/the-gist-mps-discuss-new-public-health-situation-framework-care-facilities-and-stiffer-drug-laws
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/care-facilities-set-up-during-covid-19-pandemic-to-become-permanent-new-one-coming-up-in-the-west
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-infectious-disease-control-ong-ye-kung-3362496
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-communicable-diseases-agency-outbreak-response-covid-19-white-paper-debate-3362421?cid=FBcna
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/expired-covid-19-vaccine-140-million-dollars-insurance-premium-white-paper-debate-3362376
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[10:45 am, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Maintaining TCF to move long term care patients to relieve the hospital workload is timely - as the queue in hospital is getting longer and patients in A&E or patients require hospital beds have to wait a long time to be admitted.
2. Agree that tiered framework with well defined pandemic scenarios and what broad actions to take for each tier - will provide healthcare, government resources and population a clearer ideas how to respond and react in each tier.
At the same time, the budget to be set aside for each tier will also give the finance ministry an indication how much to spend for each tier.
3. Having a dedicated and specialised unit CDA to oversee, plan and strategise - will ensure a better response to future pandemic in terms of mobilising medical resources, vaccination strategy, setting aside healthcare facilities etc.
[10:45 am, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
4. As for $140 million wasted for expired vaccines to secure vaccination for the population - it is a pity looking at the figure.
But compare to the amount expended on circuit breaker for healthcare costs, business cost and job loss that run into multiple billions of dollars as well as serious illness and death - the amount wasted is a meagre sum.
5. If our medical specialists has not bet on every possible vaccination and secure the best vaccination for our population - it will burn billions more through lockdown or human casualties.
6. We are able to bounce back strongly economically with good exit plan protected by vaccination with minimal casualties as compared to the world.
We can't achieve perfection with totally no wastage in an imperfect world.
Imperfection is a perfection as long as we learn from previous lessons and experience - and strive to improve and do better.
[10:49 am, 22/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: What will happen if person didn’t take vaccine when he or she fall seriously disease and new outcome name create diseases X. Unknown the future.
[10:52 am, 22/03/2023] +Dan: I see the 140million that was spent on vaccines just like insurance coverage. If you dont need it, the money goes to the company. If you need it, the vaccines are available readily. Thank you for buying the "insurance" for us.
[11:55 am, 22/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: I think gov got the appropriate people to lead us thru this crisis.
Sure things could be done better in hindsight but at that time with limited information, they did what was right and best for the nation.
$140m “wastage” is something unavoidable. We don’t want a draconian state and force people to do what they don’t want to do.
AAAA+++
[0:05 pm, 22/03/2023] +65 9880 7258: As per what some have mentioned, 140million looks big on its own, but divide across the nation thats like 30 dollars per person. like an insurance that protected us for 3 years.
the review and update to DORSCON protocols and CDA are appropriate because scientists are cautioning us of new diseases in future.
As our population ages, the need for care facilities will increase the load on existing healthcare institutions, we need to encourage healthier living and active ageing to improve our country's overall quality of life.
All in all, I think we are in the right direction.
[0:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Understand the reason why cannot be made public in full as requested by opposition.
[0:57 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I think the topic highly sensitive.
Not for public domain and discussion.
[1:06 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[1:08 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Having more than having less.. is unavoidable…
There is likely MOQ in order to secure the amount of vaccine or queue better in the supply chain
[1:09 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Secure early got 1st mover advantage.
Also better pricing, goodwill plus access to privilege information.
[1:10 pm, 22/03/2023] +65 80321288: I don't see what's wrong with having more vaccines. However, more effort could have been made to donate them before they expire. How can it be that there are no takers? How about those poorer nations in Africa or less privileged countries right here in South East Asia? Surely there would be some who would take.
[1:19 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[1:49 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: By the way, Pfizer has conducted various clinical trials, and they are published in medical journals
(First clinical trial over adults)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
(Trial on adolescents)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107456
(Trial on children)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116298
(Trial for boosters)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2113468
The trials involved 44000, 2000, 2000, 23(!) people respectively. But they show that the Pfizer shots cause more harm than good. This is a good analysis:
https://rumble.com/embed/voaxg5/?pub=qdzr7
Pfizer should be compensating Maddie De Garay, but they haven't.
[1:51 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: Sorry to ask , I would like to ask how much is each vaccine ? how much is use in local and non local .
[1:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: This is the screenshot from the Pfizer trial on 44000 adults. (See appendix of that paper) As we can see, there are more deaths in the vaccinated group than unvaccinated group.
[1:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: I would like to second this. Why are we paying for free vaccines for foreigners and PR?
[1:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: π³π€·♂️
[1:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Caleb: So far no countries charges for Vax right?
[1:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Caleb: Lol
[2:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Parliament continued debating the White Paper on Singapore’s Covid-19 response on Tuesday.
In his closing speech, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong noted that Singapore fared well in saving both lives and livelihoods relative to other countries during the Covid-19 pandemic, and did so without spending excessively. Key to that was the trust that Singaporeans had in the Government to make the right decisions, and in one another, so as to endure the tough measures needed to tide the country over the crisis, he added.
π¬ What are your views on the measures introduced at the parliamentary debate on the White Paper on Singapore’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic?
Here are some key takeaways:
π Transitional Care Facilities (TCFs) to stay
TCF…
[2:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: For the trial on adolescents, there is one life threatening case. Presumably, this case is Maddie De garay. You should be able to find her mother trying hard to let the whole world know about her case on rumble.com.
[2:02 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: (also find this page in the appendix of the trial for adolescents)
[2:03 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: With such data, it should have been voluntary for people whether they want to take the vaccines or not instead of linking jobs or visiting malls to vaccines.
[2:06 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Has the issue of employment and movement for the unvaccinated been cleared!?
[2:08 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Not too sure about eating out.
[2:14 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607416119496945665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
After Elon musk bought Twitter, he released files related to censorship of covid information.
[2:21 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Freedom of speech/press!?
[2:50 pm, 22/03/2023] +~L: Not sure how 'free' it is... Elon spent $44bn haha
[3:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: It's personal for Elon musk
[3:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601894132573605888
Expand the replies to see this particular comment he made
[3:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: There is another comment by Elon musk himself saying that he has a young cousin who had to go to the hospital for myocarditis.
[3:09 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1616701931719884804?lang=en
[3:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Elon musk has lifted the bans of some people who were banned on twitter after he bought Twitter.
[3:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Yes. Trump is back
[3:17 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Nowadays it is Ron de santis who is more likely to get support.
[3:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iulvEmAmtcQ
[3:20 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/live-now-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-accountability
[3:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I just think the us political scene is just toxic to the extreme
[3:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Both sides are just bad and totally partisan . They don't care bout the country
[3:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U see how many lawmakers have stocks in companies
[3:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: They directly influence legislation and impacts their stocks
[3:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: How that is not a huge conflict of interest
[3:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: @~Fulgrim Agree fully. Same for the vaccines. Which in turn has huge impact all over the world.
[3:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: The us had a good run but it's decline is inevitable
[3:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Unless the whole political system changes from the roots
[3:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Which isn't gonna happen
[3:38 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Riots expected across America if he us arrested!
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Yep. Us is very polarised now
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Trump isn't any good but biden isn't much better either
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Basically both are just puppets though shocking as it is
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think trump is more of his own person than biden
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Will get worse!
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Biden is a safe pair of hands
[3:39 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: It might not be possible to donate the vaccines because of contractual obligations with Pfizer. Unfortunately, we do not know what the contracts with pfizer look like.
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: To those who are the real power behind the throne
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Mentally!?
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Mentally inept
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yup
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: That's why safe mah
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: π€£
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: He won't get ideas like trump for example
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Trump is not an insider
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Nuclear trigger!
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I worry for our future
[3:40 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Lone ranger!
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Singapore will kena either way
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: This tightrope not easy to walk
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Even with LKY around also no guarantee . Now worse
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: meaning too inept to cause permanent damage
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: We don't have such calibre
[3:41 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Too inept to have his own ideas and not listen to his pupeteers
[3:42 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: As our PM LHL said some time ago
[3:42 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yeah
[3:42 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U see the tik tok saga
[3:43 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: We also kena pressure to support us
[3:43 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Ludicrous. Our own ministers use tik tok
[3:43 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Telling that none of our neighbours followed
[3:43 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: Migrate to Douyin.
[3:44 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think Facebook and other us tech giants lobbyed the us gahmen to ban it
[3:44 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: They will buy it over
[3:44 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I hear FB has stopped paying their creators in anticipation of the ban
[3:45 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Anyway I uninstalled FB long ago
[3:48 pm, 22/03/2023] +Umar M: You do realise you’re typing on WhatsApp right now which is owned by Meta (Facebook)?
[3:49 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: Dear contributors,
please be reminded to keep to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan π
[3:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I actually use telegram more than WhatsApp. Waiting for reach to migrate π€£
[3:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +Caleb: +1
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: A bit hard… telegram is for much younger group
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: And telegram lots of spam as well
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Unless you are paid account
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think the biggest issue is how to ensure we will have fastest access to sufficient vaccines when the next pandemic comes
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Meta trying ban tik tok in America
[3:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Having plants here help
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: But ultimately, those companies are gonna have u by your vitals ...
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Business and country standpoint should lol
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Us pharma is totally capitalist to the extreme
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: It is just business
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[3:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5A2ZkW8pUWg
The EU is also having problems of unused vaccines as well. Cristian Terhes is outraged that the EU ordered 4bn vaccines, which is 10 times the EU population.
[3:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Yeah but when it impacts life and death then maybe u need to have other considerations
[3:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: It ain't a luxury
[3:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Umar M: You should just use Signal
[3:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Agreed but hor, cannot work without gms
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I use Huawei phone leh
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: No GMS
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: 5 eyes alliance cannot spy on me now
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: can use lighthouse?
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I think the biggest issue is whether the vaccines are even tested with randomised controlled trials to see whether they work at all. It looks like one is better off not taking the vaccine.
[3:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Exactly
[3:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: But lighthouse also cannot
[3:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Signal Is anal
[3:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Hahahaha
[3:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: In an emergency , I think you don't have the luxury
[3:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Sure will have collateral damage one when u rush medicines
[3:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Sacrifice for the nation lor... I know it's inhuman but Singapore has always been society over individual
[3:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Ah, but if it turns out that they cause more harm than good, why bother with such " vaccines"? Can we even call them vaccines?
[3:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: π³π
[3:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Not that I am supporting it but I can't think of any other choice unless we willing to open up slower to let other country be Guinea pig first
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Either die of vaccine or die of from no money
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lolololol
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U won't know for sure. Proper vaccine testing and approval is 2 yes
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Years
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Maybe if no money, then won't die of vaccine!
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Cannot wait that long right ?
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: In Singapore money is everything pls
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Hahahaha
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Umar M: Use paper cups and string the best.
[3:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Umar M: Can't tap
[4:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: We should make the vaccine makers be liable for damages. That way they will have incentive to make a good product, and people will be more confident of the vaccines.
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Parliament continued debating the White Paper on Singapore’s Covid-19 response on Tuesday.
In his closing speech, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong noted that Singapore fared well in saving both lives and livelihoods relative to other countries during the Covid-19 pandemic, and did so without spending excessively. Key to that was the trust that Singaporeans had in the Government to make the right decisions, and in one another, so as to endure the tough measures needed to tide the country over the crisis, he added.
π¬ What are your views on the measures introduced at the parliamentary debate on the White Paper on Singapore’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic?
Here are some key takeaways:
π Transitional Care Facilities (TCFs) to stay
TCFs set up during the pandemic to ease the workload in hospitals are set to stay for the medium or even long term. Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said they are for medically stable patients from public hospitals who are waiting for long-term care arrangements such as nursing home care. These facilities will help address the rising hospital workload. A new TCF will be set up in the west in the next few months
π No more DORSCON
In its place will be a tiered framework that better reflects the severity of public health situations. The first tier will denote a peacetime state, while the fourth and most serious tier denotes a state of public health emergency. The new framework is meant to provide a more intuitive way to communicate the severity of a crisis. The law will spell out the measures to be taken at each tier, providing more clarity on what can be expected depending on the situation.
π Setting up of a new Communicable Diseases Agency (CDA)
The CDA will oversee disease preparedness, prevention and control, surveillance, risk assessment and outbreak response in Singapore. Minister Ong also said MOH will separately retain a permanent Crisis Strategy and Operations Group (CSOG) to maintain surge readiness for a mid-sized outbreak and other health emergencies. In peacetime, the CSOG will help operationalise Healthier SG, Singapore’s major preventive health strategy that will start enrolment in July.
π S$140m of expired COVID-19 vaccines
About 15% of Singapore's COVID-19 vaccine doses worth S$140 million have expired. Minister Ong said Singapore had "deliberately over-procured" to mitigate the uncertainty of selected vaccine candidates not working, and the possibility of supply chains being disrupted. This meant having spare vaccine stock, which would expire. Singapore has tried to donate spare vaccines but there have been no takers because of an oversupply of vaccines worldwide.
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/singapore-came-through-pandemic-well-without-spending-excessively-lawrence-wong
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/the-gist-mps-discuss-new-public-health-situation-framework-care-facilities-and-stiffer-drug-laws
π https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/care-facilities-set-up-during-covid-19-pandemic-to-become-permanent-new-one-coming-up-in-the-west
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-infectious-disease-control-ong-ye-kung-3362496
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-communicable-diseases-agency-outbreak-response-covid-19-white-paper-debate-3362421?cid=FBcna
π https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/expired-covid-19-vaccine-140-million-dollars-insurance-premium-white-paper-debate-3362376
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: By then pple die liao, our gahmen don't have too much leverage to sue this large pharma MNC lor
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Population not big enough
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Then they threaten pull out all the plants
[4:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Small country really tough
[4:03 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: ( often times $ comes first , hidden or open agenda )
The truth is out. Pfizer Executive admits that they their vaccine is not designed to end the pandemic but to turn it into an endemic so that the demand of their vaccines will continue forever and give them the opportunity to make a lot of money selling their vaccine. Once the pandemic becomes an endemic, just like the flu, all those who have already been vaccinated will need to continue to receive a booster every year or so.
https://youtu.be/WZnlC-eUCoo
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I m not surprised at all
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U go watch those documentary on us pharma
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Greed is good one
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Like wall Street
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Genentech used to have a drug for some cancer
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202301/30/WS63d737b3a31057c47ebabd0e.html
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Some doctor discovered it can also be used for eye disorders by change
[4:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Chanve
[4:05 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: He was sued and forbidden to use it for that purpose depsite proven clinical success
[4:05 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Pfizer lost court case and required to disclose all the serious side effects.
*Congratulations to those who were not vaccinated! *
Your persistence is absolutely wise and correct! *
FDA loses case!
Pfizer forced to disclose vaccine side effects data!
9 pages of side effects!
The whole world was stunned.
US168 Information Network 2022-03-05 02:1
cardiomyopathy, acute respiratory failure, injection site vasculitis, seizures,
alopecia areata, anaphylactic shock,
Anaphylaxis of pregnancy, aplastic anemia, thrombosis,
Arrhythmias, arthritis,
Asthma, bronchospasm, cardiac arrest,
heart failure,
Chest discomfort, choking, chronic autoimmune glomerulonephritis,
chronic cutaneous lupus erythematosus,
chronic spontaneous urticaria,
hemolytic anemia,
colitis, dermatitis,
diabetes,
disseminated varicella zoster,
Embolic cerebral infarction,
Endocrine disorders, pruritus, swollen eyes, facial paralysis, genital herpes,
glossopharyngeal nerve palsy,
hemorrhagic vasculitis,
cervicitis,
lupus cystitis,
lupus encephalitis,
multiple sclerosis,
neonatal myasthenia gravis, myelitis,
noninfectious oophoritis, thyroiditis,
Ulcerative proctitis.
The above is more than a thousand kinds of reactions, not limited to the side effects / physical discomfort symptoms that many people have.
It is the choice behavior that hurts oneself out of fear...
Out of 46,000 people tested, 42,000 had adverse reactions! 1200 people died!
Did you hit?
Nothing fun! Nothing fun!
Unvaccinated people!
*Congratulations on keeping your immune system functioning properly. *
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/9C0ETAd9IOPTRMzZjDu1Tw
[4:05 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Genentech later launched the same drug under a diff name with 10x the price ...
[4:07 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Lol you spy by china π
[4:07 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: All study when money is involved… I believe will have Bias some way
[4:09 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Unless is official news… take it with a pinch of salt
[4:09 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol, honestly I think not really possible. China doesn't have the company and overall integrated ecosystem in Singapore to do it
[4:10 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Like WeChat, wepay, alipay etc. No social credit score
[4:10 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I always feel if u don't use integrated services , they cannot track it.
[4:10 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U
[4:10 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Plus I go by facts and not media bah
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Edward snowden and Cambridge analytical is smoking gun liao
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I don't see any china scandal for this yet
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Even for tik tok
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: The is data is actually stored in the us by oracle
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Not in china
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: That's why people don't see the negative reports of the Pfizer vaccines, even when they are in top medical journals with the Pfizer email addresses.
The moderna and various other vaccines are the same.
[4:11 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Oracle is us company
[4:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Why the Huawei saga… err you read the whole story lor… but of course US have everything to gain as well… since Huawei taking up market share
[4:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Yah I know it's political
[4:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: 5g and Huawei was eating Samsung and apple's lunch
[4:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: WHO hints China still holding back on actual accuracy of visit to their labs!
[4:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Murica is the biggest donor to WHO leh
[4:13 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Murica die die to need to find something to do war with china
[4:13 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: My opinion lah, they really scraping bottom of barrell
[4:13 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I look at scientific journals and all agree it's natural transmission
[4:13 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: One fail study is money down the drain… company will in all effort prevent it from happening..
[4:14 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I rather than trust scientists than politicians on science π€£
[4:14 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: That's why people don't hear about Maddie De garay and other vaccine injury victims.
[4:14 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Try saying what country made it… see you be in the banned list or not lol… or related countries. Scientist need funding as well
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: Data Bias is very easy… π
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think it's just natural lah. No one make it in a lab
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: You choose what to omit… as long as you can justify the omitting
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: You don’t have to report why you omit it.. lol
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: If so then their own pple won't die right ? If china made it why don't open up. It can sell and send the antidote and vaccine and make big bucks and good woll
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Sometimes I despair at the lack of common sense
[4:15 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol
[4:23 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ: 1.
My take on why PRs and foreigners should be offer free vaccines in Singapore:-
a. They form more than 2 million people out of 5.7 million population.
Imagine they are charge for the vaccines and they refuse or cannot afford to jab - the 2 million become a big reservoir of infected groups that will help to spread to our citizens.
This becomes penny wise pound foolish.
b. Many countries offer free vaccination to foreigners including Singaporeans residing in the foreign countries.
If we are mean to foreigners, foreign countries can be equally mean to Singaporeans.
Then Singapore international standing in the world become very small.
[4:25 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I think that if PRs and foreigners were made to pay, then there it opens up the option of them not paying and hence not getting the vaccine.
This would be a situation some Singaporeans will want: not to get the vaccine in the first place.
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think PRs should get
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Foreigners can be offered but at a cost
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U need to distinguish
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Then construction workers how?
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: And honestly , many countries do it
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Company pay π€£
[4:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Business costs
[4:27 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: They (the construction workers) would rather save any money rather pay for the vaccines, especially when they got the actual sickness and recovered from it.
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I go to many countries , locals get special entrance fees and rates for attractions . Tourists pay more. We don't have this in Singapore
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: So distinguishing is quite common
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: And accepted internationally
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: No. Some places Singaporeans with pink ic go in for free.
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Really ah
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Where ? Tell me pls
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I like free one π€£
[4:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Museums and sorts.
[4:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I only know Singapore discovery center get special rates but I think that one is for nation building or something
[4:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I been to all sorts of museums for free.
[4:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Can't think of other categories off my head though.
[4:31 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. The topic about anti-vaxx have been robustly discussed during the coaxing of residents in Singapore - whether citizens or non-citizens - repeated many times.
2. More than 90% of our population got 3 jabs - mainly mRNA with minority on non mRNA.
3. Singapore as a result able to exit the pandemic safely to endemic.
Together with many billions of people jab with mRNA vaccines and many more millions with non-mRNA vaccines - vast majority emerged with good health and without long term side effects with the vaccination after 3 years.
4. Kudos to our medical specialists that have formulated the vaccination program for residents in Singapore - that make us able to emerged pretty well from the covid pandemic.
[4:32 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I got my 3rd jab only because it has been linked with getting a job. I got strange chest pains, and I still got covid later. I hope the chest pains don't lead to anything serious.
[4:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: The contributions from PR and foreigners far exceeds the cost of vaccines. Is ok to give back a bit to them.
The faster and more people get vaccination, the faster the virus spread will die out.
That’s good for everyone. We can carry on with our lives faster and contribute to economy faster.
[4:34 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
2. The dorm mass covid infection shows how covid spread like wildfire not only to the dorm workers but also to the community at large - until everyone got vaccinated.
This shows that if we have stinge or mean to the foreigners - it backfire on us.
No one is safe until everyone is safe.
I remember one of our Minister in the task force say it - and he is absolutely right.
[4:37 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593?lang=en
[4:37 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: But Pfizer themselves admitted that the vaccine was not tested to stop transmission.
[4:43 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: My father in law passed away less than 36 hours after his Pfizer vaccine. He was old, but still he didn't pass away on his own free will.
[4:45 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: My condolences to you..
some people have very bad reaction.. but no choice.
Every jab I will be down 1 week Atleast with high fever
[4:45 pm, 22/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Pls take the time to check it out. Go thru polyclinic to get referral for scans etc. Now is the time to make use of your pink i/c to use the taxes u paid and God willing, continue to pay.
I pray that it will be nothing.
[4:45 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Then he should have done the forensic to determine if the cause is due to the vaccination.
If yes, he will be cover under the vaccination injury insurance program and MOH will report this case to the public at large.
[4:45 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: They can’t give some don’t give some… I just have to hope for the best..
[4:46 pm, 22/03/2023] +Ken: My neighbour father in law also hospitalised after the jab. Lucky he recovered
[4:47 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I have many old parents and parents in law - 80 or 90 over years old - vaccinated 3 or 4 times - in good health.
Few hundred thousand in old age groups got vaccination without any problems.
[4:47 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: I have done my fifth
[4:47 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I had an ECG that didn't show anything abnormal. Hope it is not serious.
[4:48 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: May his soul rest in peace for all eternity
[4:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Is there a 5th injection? I thought 4 is the max
[4:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I only did 3 . Still thinking whether to do the 4 th π€£
[4:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Not a fan of over stimulating the immune system
[4:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: The immune system is a a finely tune machined. Upsetting the balance can lead to many issues
[4:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Touch wood so far everything ok. No COVID
[4:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: ECGs are very surface level tests for heart function. If you can, go get more tests done. Echocardiogram etc if you suspect there might be an issue.
[4:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: A bivalent of the earlier two.
[4:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[4:55 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
So far only 1 death is reported directly related to the vaccination.
And he is a young foreigner.
[4:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Yes
[4:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: We should have done a randomised controlled trial. Then we can see whether the results are similar to what Pfizer themselves got.
[4:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: (recall the Pfizer trial results for adults)
[4:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: (and adolescents)
[4:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think most pple's worry now is that the vaccine has longer term side effects that won't be know until much later
[4:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: (Original sources here)
[5:12 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: 22 March, 2023
"Working Against Time (ζεεε€)"
"Treating a patient is a zero sum game, either cure or not so or no! Caring for a patient is a humanistic skill, importantly, CARE is the driver of a winning formula!"
- - anonymity
Which targets?
CARE: Compassion, Agility, Resilience, Empathy.
It takes time to fine tuning our medical competency to a higher level of exceptional service.
Heart, Brain, Lung are three vital organs to protect, it is life or death if any one organ fails.
One key enabler is to identify up to 20 most common chronic or recurring illnesses within our (aging) population.
- - in progress - -
[5:14 pm, 22/03/2023] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
China do the vaccination for younger people instead of the elderly first.
This lead to many China elderly refused to vaccinate when protest is going on to force the government to open up.
When open up, many death are elderly who are unvaccinated - more than 10 over thousands in every province
We vaccinate all the elderly and old age group first.
And when we open up, no visible big increase in elderly death or other age groups.
Hence it is our medical specialists foresight that set Singapore in good footing to emerge from pandemic to endemic.
And we must not take away the credit and smear the good and sound judgement in the vaccination program.
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: Frankly i agree with u vaccination is good. if that time all country co-operate not to let covids out of china it will be better every one scare of economy collaspe do the wrong path. in the end still lock down . I will say the 10,000 petition to lock border are also very good foresight.
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: Now we still have to jab every year made me worry
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Sigh
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: in fact when i 70 i sure i may get more worry
[5:18 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Likewise
[5:19 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: next time dont offer free hospital to tourism should lock them up instead knowing got covid still flood to sg
[5:21 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: if need can assign them old changi hospital.
[5:22 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I think the science has shown quite conclusively that the vaccine causes more harm than good.
But there should be a way to "discourage" people from taking the vaccine in case the government wants to gracefully " admit" that the vaccine causes more harm than good, other than lifting restrictions based on vaccination. It can just not send SMS reminders for vaccination, or send fewer reminders for a start. I got 3 reminders for my 3rd dose, but only got 2 for my potentially 4th.
[5:23 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Haunted!?
[5:23 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: Where got haunted just a great place to self reflected only.
[5:24 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: So, our government brain washing the electorate into accepting!?
[5:24 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: frankly i not a scientist but i see the pro and cons . So must get the optimal level . i confirm covid wont be the last
[5:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +KL: It really trigger underlying condition but it do protect some ppl from getting long covid. So it gov decision to think and implment measure. it one self to think inculde measuring ur condition.
[5:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: Think the harm/good is debatable?
Why do you say it cause more harm than good?
Bringing down the mortality from severe COVID is definitely a plus.
[5:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I think even with perfect scientific data, we should have let people take the vaccines out of their own free will voluntarily, instead of linking jabs to jobs and malls and other things.
Also, the scientific data is just bad.
[5:27 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: From this
[5:28 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Has it been shown to bring down mortality from severe covid?
[5:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: See also the 2 tables I repeated here.
[5:29 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: I think the data on this is pretty conclusive?
[5:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: or to put it another way. If covid hits an unvaccinated population vs a population that is vaccinated. who will die more?
[5:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Then can you show me a reference from a reputable medical journal?
[5:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: this should be the simple bench mark
[5:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: There is a greater needs now to scale up hospital beds. Three things, heart, brain and lung.
[5:30 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: The vaccinated, according to Pfizer's own trials.
[5:31 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: link please
[5:31 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: .
[5:31 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: .
[5:32 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: I dont know if I'm reading the right link but the paper says the vaccine works?
[5:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: You have to read carefully.
[5:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: BNT162b2 continued to be safe and have an acceptable adverse-event profile. Few participants had adverse events leading to withdrawal from the trial. Vaccine efficacy against Covid-19 was 91.3% (95% confidence interval [CI], 89.0 to 93.2) through 6 months of follow-up among the participants without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection who could be evaluated. There was a gradual decline in vaccine efficacy. Vaccine efficacy of 86 to 100% was seen across countries and in populations with diverse ages, sexes, race or ethnic groups, and risk factors for Covid-19 among participants without evidence of previous infection with SARS-CoV-2. Vaccine efficacy against severe disease was 96.7% (95% CI, 80.3 to 99.9). In South Africa, where the SARS-CoV-2 variant of …
[5:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://rumble.com/embed/voaxg5/?pub=qdzr7
See this video and find whether there is anything wrong
[5:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: sorry - this is psudo sciene analysis
[5:33 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: You can't rely on their own conclusions
[5:34 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: she's nit picking
[5:34 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Can you point out where the analysis is faulty then?
[5:34 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: can'tr be bothered to listed to unaccredited bumblers
[5:35 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: When it comes to science, you evaluate all info regardless of source.
[5:35 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: 1) Credible peer reviewed sources
[5:35 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: not all sources
[5:36 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: The articles I sent you have a Pfizer email address
[5:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: 1) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
Funding for this is definitely fishy. But
If I'm not wrong, all the initial clinical trials for all the vaccines were done inhouse?
They were all publishing their own results?
[5:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: I mean I'm not saying this is not fishy
[5:52 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: but they all did it?
[5:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Economic circumstances don't allow mass own choice to vaccination.
[5:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[5:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I like the way you put it. "Economic circumstances". Pfizer and moderna can never make enough money.
[5:54 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: To each their own
[5:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: There is a certain process for these things. Such clinical trials have to be registered at clinicaltrials.gov (or something like that), which they did. The number is somewhere there, and you can search the trial from the trial number
[5:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
One thing good about a Peer viewed platform like the NEJM is that if this research was total bullshit, someone would have shot it down
[5:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: And I dont see any one citing it
[5:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: The trial is then given to supposedly independent trial researchers.
[5:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: I think you mean shooting it. It is definitely well cited
[5:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: In normal cases yes. But you forgot a dispensation was granted due to covid. Pfizer, moderna, sinovac etc etc all did and published their own trials?
[5:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: yeap - this
[5:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: Only skimmed, but I dont see anything major shooting it
[5:58 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Oh, there are people shooting it down, just that you don't see it.
[6:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
Parliament continued debating the White Paper on Singapore’s Covid-19 response on Tuesday.
In his closing speech, Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong noted that Singapore fared well in saving both lives and livelihoods relative to other countries during the Covid-19 pandemic, and did so without spending excessively. Key to that was the trust that Singaporeans had in the Government to make the right decisions, and in one another, so as to endure the tough measures needed to tide the country over the crisis, he added.
π¬ What are your views on the measures introduced at the parliamentary debate on the White Paper on Singapore’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic?
Here are some key takeaways:
π Transitional Care Facilities (TCFs) to stay
TCF…
[6:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: If they're not shooting it on a peer reviewed platform, it's not really credible?
[6:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +TD: It's like TOC/EDMW levels of TCSS....
[6:01 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html
Organized by senator Ron Johnson. Scientists speaking. I hope I got the right video. It is one of those videos by Ron johnson
[6:04 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: Go to the 1.51.00 mark or so
[6:05 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: By Peter doshi
[6:06 pm, 22/03/2023] +Jeffrey: There are articles in the bmj (British medical journal) critiquing the Pfizer results.
[6:25 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Benefits over costs", a policy making 101 rules..."
- - anonymity
[6:26 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Agree
[6:27 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good evening!
"Choices or limited choices or no choice!"
Thank you.
[6:45 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
[6:53 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: The broadband is narrowing drastically!
[6:55 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: Yes!
[6:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: That makes decision making tougher and so do limited choices and resources to spread!
Thank you.
[6:56 pm, 22/03/2023] +Rama: Sigh
[6:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: Never say impossible and never give up! That is always breakthroughs and hopes!
Thank you.
[6:57 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: Something to soothe today hot chats.....
[6:59 pm, 22/03/2023] +Smiley face: EVERY...
100 years or less, a global change of power, order, natural disasters, climate change and pandemic.
40 years, since WW2, US army transformed itself to new doctrines, weaponries and logistic. Three traditional military forces Land, Sea, Air converging with Cyber force and Space force with AI and human to form a complete defence and/or attack force (fighting net), faster and further.
20 years, after WW2, up to 2 billions human produced.
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10 years, after WW2, newer and advanced technologies been intr…
[7:00 pm, 22/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
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