REACH 440 -  What are your views on the Government's approach towards employment resilience? How can we better support Singaporeans in staying employed?

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 29 Mar 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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[10:00 am, 29/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Speaking at the closing of the Citizen’s Panel on Employment Resilience, on Saturday 25 March, DPM Lawrence Wong said Singapore does not seek to protect jobs as this will hold back the process of innovation. Some jobs will inevitably become obsolete because of technical advancements. However, new jobs offering better productivity and wages will be created in their place. 

As such, the Government will redouble efforts to help every Singaporean reskill, upskill and transit more easily to take up new job opportunities. DPM Wong also said in his speech that, unlike many other countries in the world, Singapore possesses a stronger foundation for implementing a system for adult training, skills upgrading and job placement.

💬 What are your views on the Government's approach towards employment resilience? How can we better support Singaporeans in staying employed?

Three considerations for employment resilience include:

📌 Engaging employers:

Employers must be engaged because they are the ones who create jobs in the first place. Employers need to know how they want to grow and transform their business, how to redesign jobs to achieve these goals and what kind of skill sets they need for their jobs of the future.

📌 Engaging training providers:

Singapore needs training providers to work closely with employers and the industry, to understand what employers need and design effective courses that can close the skills gap. They should also maintain high and rigorous standards of training.

📌 Engaging workers:

Singapore possesses a diverse workforce with differing attitudes, capabilities and needs. Given these considerations, Singapore needs to strengthen its SkillsFuture ecosystem, especially in the areas of training and job placement.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lawrence-wong-citizens-panel-employment-resilience-protect-workers-not-jobs-3373951

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-s-approach-to-achieve-employment-resilience-must-protect-workers-not-jobs-dpm-wong

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[11:01 am, 29/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We want to HEAR MORE from YOU!

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[11:04 am, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Every two years there will always be transformation (change) of tangibles and/or intangibles, something would happen...this coming transformation is about shortening the work time or process and downsizing the workforce in order to achieve a leaner and more profitable outcome for businesses that embrace these digits (AI) in the making...!"

- - anonymity

[11:08 am, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Old age never too late to learn upskill. Old machine turn AI smart worker and more productivity

[11:10 am, 29/03/2023] +Uncle Law: How workers able to stay employed also depends on the biz running cost for the companies such as rental. It had been exponential increasing till a point, in order for company to stay relevant, maybe they need to right size the company head count

[11:12 am, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Will surely able to stay there will be more productivity if AI is useful with human worker. 

The world is changed and 

China car become AI smart technology.

[11:13 am, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: But human work for 8 hours and AI work for 24hours

[11:13 am, 29/03/2023] +Uncle Law: Some biz if their main profile in service line, they still rely on their employees

[11:14 am, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Asked my boss investment AI smart he want and make short cut time to time. He said will hire less employment 😳

[11:15 am, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Indeed, the strength of a country does not depend on the size of the population, but on its quality and organisation. The US has only 5 percent of the world s population, much smaller than China and India. But the US is the world's undisputed superpower, not only in the political and economic arenas, but in many other fields. This is because the US has always warmly welcomed foreign talent to its shores..."

- - PM Goh Chok Tong, NDR  18/8/02

[11:16 am, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: https://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/data/pdfdoc/2002081805.htm

[11:18 am, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Solving the Mysteries of Labor?"

- - anonymity

[11:32 am, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Productive

[11:33 am, 29/03/2023] +Ken: Yes we can replace but not everything can be done.. Atleast for now still not cheaply available

[11:34 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. I have no doubt that our Government is always :-

a. Business-friendly

b. Workers-friendly

--- whereby Government put both business and our workers interest at the forefront.

2. Engaging business, training providers and workers to ensure :-

a. Business buy-in - whereby employers transform their business, produce jobs for workers and determine the skillsets they want.

b. Training providers provide the right skill training to workers for the right jobs.

c. Workers are train with the right skillsets to do the jobs.

3. Hence training, job placement - to put workers into the right business for the right jobs after training ---- become an important feature - for our job landscape going forward --- especially for our fresh graduates, workers changing jobs or mature workers changing or looking for jobs.

[11:35 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. Important is to work on ---- business buy-in.

a. Notice that a good many organisations will rather hack off mature workers come 50 years and above - to hire fresh graduates or younger workers that possess new skills which is needed by the organisations - rather than training existing workers to be ready for the new jobs.

i. The reason, fresh graduates or younger workers demand lower salaries but yet possess the right skill.

ii. Mature workers though experience and know the way forward to get things done - may not have the new skills to do the newly created or transform jobs - if the organisation don't proactively send mature workers for training - due to the need to fight fire in day-to-day work or don't want to spend money on training courses for their existing workers or allow workers to take time off to attend training courses on new skills.

And mature workers usually are already more highly paid - due to accumulated salary increment over the years.

Hence hacking off mature workers - become a "natural process" - for many organisations.

This is the area whereby Government need to work closely with the organisations to close the gaps - to protect and ensure mature workers are able to reskill and upskill - and prevent mature workers from being hack off.

[11:37 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. What happen to current mature workers now ---- will in future apply to younger workers of today - if Government are unable to address this "imperative process" with the business ----- because organisations will always look at "profit and loss" --- regardless of whether SMEs, MNCs, and even GLCs.

[11:49 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Amid soaring rentals, 7 in 10 firms ready to move expat staff overseas: Survey.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/amid-soaring-rentals-7-10-firms-ready-move-expats-overseas-2138381

[11:53 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is another development that government needs to actively look out for and work with them to see what can be done.

MNCs produce high value jobs for our local workforce.

We cannot let the high rental drive them away - as these expat are senior managers that can decide or persuade MNCs to move away from Singapore - if they can't find a place to stay as high rental drive them away.

The organisations no longer subside their high cost of living in Singapore as they are fetching local pay.

[11:53 am, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore as they are fetching local pay.

[0:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: MNC in and MNC out

[0:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: >We cannot let the high rental drive them away - as these expat are senior managers that can decide or persuade MNCs to move away from Singapore - if they can't find a place to stay as high rental drive them away.

Reduce investment property tax and rentals will drop.  Land lords just take the recent property tax increase, *2 and bill to tenants.

[0:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Poh S. Lim: Some people just have the wrong ideas about AI. AI like robots, have to have utility to humans: 

1. Improve productivity 

2. Speeds up work and pace

3. Do jobs which are dangerous, monotonous etc. 

AI should not replace humans, rather it supplements human capabilities.

[0:06 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The current MNCs are high value added industries employing very high pay local workers eg. Barclays, UBS, credit Suisse, ASM, Dyson, Any big names we can think of for EU companies.

What about US, China, and other MNCs we can think of even though they are not in EU survey?

They are not immune either.

[0:08 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.asiaone.com/money/hdb-flat-ang-mo-kio-rented-out-record-high-6500

[0:09 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Rent control act needed!?

[0:09 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: $6,500 rent.

Expat if fetch local pay at $8,000 - only left $1,500 for their daily necessities - wonder how they survive?

[0:10 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Utter madness

[0:10 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.asiaone.com/money/3-room-hdb-flat-bidadari-rented-out-4100-unit-just-2-years-old

3-room HDB flat in Bidadari rented out for $4,100, unit just 2 years old.

[0:10 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

3 room flat $4,100.

[0:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Ken: As long as enough justification you can rent out

[0:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Ken: 😂

[0:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 29 March, 2023

" If you can't beat the job, how about you start thinking for exceptional ideas and creating jobs for others...never a dead end!"

- - anonymity 

Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong, his big breakthrough came after the age of 50 years...

"The Genting project fitted my idea of an ideal business," he wrote...No one was interested in it, which meant no competition."

- - Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong

Unlocking a Titan?

Be bold yet cautious (the Chinese say ‘dan da xin xi‘). Try things that have never been done before. Challenge the norm of ways of doing work or job. Be willing to take that risk. A reward is waiting at the end of it...

If you build a successful business and organization, always believe that the most valuable asset of a company is its people. It …

[0:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Ken: Real or not hard to really follow up on all

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: As published in newspapers for people who complain about high prices of BTO flats, there are many choices. Why must choose expensive place when there are cheaper places?

[0:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: There's a rental option for every salary range.

[0:13 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: property price will crash ...

[0:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Prestige

[0:19 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: And the next cycle of increase starts again

[0:19 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: LOL

[0:22 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Imbalance or balance equal earn income and spent expenses.

How about EP and SP salary level

[0:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Inflation affected global and market need to increase price sale gross profit

[0:36 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 29 March, 2023

Are there better options than rent control measures?

Should the public housings price become unaffordable and harder to reach, there are a few ways out of it.

By shortening the lease from 99 years to 30 years and 50 years. The price of each flat will be priced according to proximity to the city centre and radiates outwardly, regardless of matured or non matured estates.

Fitting the budget? These "shortening" measures will allow more people whether first time buyers or upgraders to access and better afford a flat at any time line, any location and any choices of flat type.

[0:38 pm, 29/03/2023] +~typing: I don't think it just passing on the tax: virtually everyone I know has had rent increases from 40 to 100%.

One friend's landlord wants to increase the rent 100% from $7000 to $14000 essentially because there are identical units in the same condo on propertyguru for that price but 4 of the 12 units are empty and 2 of the occupants are leaving in June ... if my friend leaves that will be 7 of 12 units empty.

[0:39 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Perhaps, this example is of a "co-living" lease?

It may live up to 6 persons ( illegally up to 12 persons).

Do the maths and divide this $6,500...to add more sweets, utilities are included too?

Possible or impossible?

Thank you.

[0:43 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: From $7000 to asking for $14,000!

One, wishful try.

Two, should you succeed to up the rent to $14k, the unintended consequences may be ugly. Illegal overstaying, Airbnb, vices from gambling to prostitution...

Three, this 50% increase in rental is real and has happened in the last 6 months.

Sustainable or sinking?

Thank you.

[0:44 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/rising-housing-rents-impact-expats-2137706

Expats baulk at rising rents, as some think twice about staying in Singapore amid intensifying global talent war.

[0:45 pm, 29/03/2023] +RH: Mature workers :

A company can provide & wl provide the upskills training needed.

But , the mature worker also must want to learn, want to upgrade.

Some mature workers think : "I'm so old alredi. I know the job. I hv bn here many years. No need to learn anything new since I'm gg to retire soon (? years time)"

Resistance or reluctance by the mature worker to upskill wl also need to be addressed.

It's a double-edged sword. 

Employers can add in some ' motivation' to entice the mature worker to want to upskill -- not nec in money terms but in other ways.  They hv to 'sell' the idea to the mature worker.

Ther is also a need for mindset change in the mature worker.

[0:45 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Singapore tenant slapped with 75% rent increase but landlord said he is giving her a ‘discount’ for being a ‘good tenant’ (Video)"

 https://sg.yahoo.com/style/singapore-tenant-slapped-75-rent-092140670.html#:~:text=after%20governor%27s%20killing-,Singapore%20tenant%20slapped%20with%2075%25%20rent%20increase%20but%20landlord%20said%20he%20is%20giving%20her%20a%20%E2%80%98discount%E2%80%99%20for%20being%20a%20%E2%80%98good%20tenant%E2%80%99%20(Video),-Coconuts%20Singapore

[0:47 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/rents-increase-singapore-tenants-alternatives-3245521

I'm so exhausted': Tenants face hard choices as rents surge in Singapore.

Singapore's buoyant rental market shows no signs of slowing down, with rents rising further in the last quarter of 2022.

[0:47 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

https://www.asiaone.com/money/all-time-high-rent-4-room-hdb-flat-hits-record-6200

All-time high: Rent for this 4-room HDB flat hits record $6,200

FEBRUARY 01, 2023

[0:48 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/housing-rent-prices-expats-70-increase-landlords-tenants-3060231

Overwhelmed, defeated': Expats face up to 70% rise in housing rents as prices hit record highs.

Expatriates in Singapore tell CNA about big rent hikes in recent months, with landlords not being open to negotiations and tenants having to overbid in order to secure a place.

[0:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "One man's meat is another man's poison...?"

SG is positioned as the HUB for financial stability, Political stability, Social justice and Connecting infrastructures from digital, Sea and Air...

"Simply, no free lunch! Either you see this jewel or go elsewhere and rub and tough it out...!"

- - anonymity

[0:48 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Rental market ‘gone bananas’: Full impact of cooling measures yet to be seen, say analysts and agents.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/rental-market-gone-bananas-full-impact-of-cooling-measures-yet-to-be-seen-say-analysts-and-agents

[0:49 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So rental is indeed a huge problem.

[0:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: The entire global Economics is in the early stage of rebalancing the equilibriums of price, of interest rate, and importantly, of the stubborn inflation!

Thank you.

[0:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Happened recently to a malay couple! The tenant had the cheek to ask for advance notice of hdb spot check!

[0:50 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

It could backfire on our jobs if foreign business leave.

[0:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: What is the current inflation of UK , US, Japan and EU?

Thank you!

[0:52 pm, 29/03/2023] Smiley face: "One chooses to leave while others are coming in ...the fittings will survive and not the fittest, this round of resetting..."

- - dynamically anonymous

[0:53 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The problem is mass retrenchment happens before others come in.

If we don't solve the current problem now, are we going to wait for mass firing?

[0:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Every 20 years or a new generation in the making, all things will be changed, aka upheavals... nothing new nor fearful about...!"

- - anonymity

[0:54 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

What has these countries inflation got to do with MNCs moving to low cost SE Asia?

[0:55 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yah wait till you lose your job.

[0:55 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: The other big increase to landlord is loan interest rate.  From near 0% to 5%+.  All these increases *2, pass down to tenants.

But because this is an open market free supply/demand, tenants will not renew their contracts or go somewhere cheaper, the high priced rental units will be forced to drop prices else it will be in danger of being vacant and a new balance will emerge.

[0:55 pm, 29/03/2023] Smiley face: Massive retrenchment will come only if the external economies COLLAPSE and the prices of all goods and services devalued to 50% or greater... ANYTHING lesser will be transitional and transformational!"

- - anonymity

Thank you

[0:56 pm, 29/03/2023] +~typing: I know quite a few people who moved from Hong Kong to Singapore two years ago who are now moving back.

Problem for many expat families is the combination of significantly increased rents at the same time as recent MOM rule changes which no longer allow the spouse to work, so they are facing significantly increased expense at the same time as reduced income. 

Many MNCs, banks, law firms, accountants have offices in HK and SG but their expat staff do regional work (e.g. Thailand, Phillipines, Vietnam etc) and therefore their staff don't have to be in SG, they can be in HK, BKK etc.

[0:56 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Massive retrenchment happens, when business pull out.

[0:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +~L: Many tenants have to renew because all prices go up and the cost of moving is high (need deposit and advance rent) and also disruptive if near to (schools, work, family)

[0:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Migrational trends...

Stability is key for all economic activities!

[0:58 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: What are the current rentals ( commercial to residential) in HK or Shanghai?

Thank you

[0:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "staying away and further from the "Volcano" will yield peace of mind..."

- - anonymity

Volcano is referring to...?

[0:59 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

During the 1990s can't remember the exact year - when our wage cost increases due to high CPF - many businesses pull out of Singapore.

At that time, government scramble to lower CPF and cut wages.

If we see something big coming and not doing things leaving to chance - then you will experience the consequences before you talk about philosophy.

[1:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Did SG survive or survives?

What are the key attributes to this survival? From the Asian financial crise 1996 to 2006?

Who emerged stronger and how many casualties of this big wave of clearing?

Thank you.

[1:01 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Rental prices in Singapore surpass Hong Kong, the world’s most expensive housing market.

https://theindependent.sg/rental-prices-in-singapore-surpass-hong-kong-the-worlds-most-expensive-housing-market/

[1:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: And how about 2008 melt down?

[1:03 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wait till you lose your job then you can sing your philosophy.

I am alerting government to take action before any mishap happen.

I don't share your philosophy.

[1:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Ist happiness...why so?

"No fools will place their money into an unstable pit and sit out waiting to be blown away..."

- - anonymity

So others saw trash while some saw it as a treasure?

Thank you.

[1:04 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I have seen enough of many people suffering when they lose their jobs.

[1:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 2nd happiness...that is

"Money comes and money will flow... that's the dynamic of monetary policy since 1946...unless the US$ is sunk and became an OLD WORLD ORDER and a NEW WORLD ORDER emerges, it will take up to 10 years to decide and fight it out! No free lunch!"

- - anonymity

Thank you.

[1:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Will China replace USD?

[1:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Jobs died and new jobs will be created... either you find new ones (upskill or reskill or accept losses and retires) or you find your own path...."

[1:10 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Tell those people who have loss their jobs and family waiting to put food on their table.

See what they say to you.

Not responding to your post after this.

[1:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie, good afternoon!

"You are pushing anonymity to the chopping board, either the CIA or the Red Butterfly will hack anonymity...."

The Answer is obvious, what is SG$ exchange rates on par with the UD$ (1:1), maybe or may not necessarily be?

Never says impossible but it may be impossible!

Thank you Frankie for pushing it ..!

[1:13 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: You mean the yen!?

[1:15 pm, 29/03/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: I think once the residential buildings that under construction complete in a couple of years time, the rents will start drop.  Now there is not enough living spaces.  Many people chasing few livable spaces.  I'm sure gov is aware of this but just need to wait it out and give the processes, time to complete.

In a recent 1M65 youtube podcast, it was reported that huge number of wealthy Chinese are desperately fleeing China and taking root in Singapore. Overall, this good for our economy but in the short term, with limited living spaces, existing tenants need to compete with them.

[1:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: China is using its vast reserves of rare mineral earth.  Russia is buying hoardes of goal for the past 25 years or more! Certain Arab countries have started transactions in yen. So, alternative currency and payment in the works to match or dethroned the Usd.

[1:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 3rd happiness... responding to a fierce response...

"If you are hungry, you will be angry...if you are desperate for a job, you will seek all ways to land a job just to sustain your livelihoods and if you stagnate and blame others or the economic system of change,... perhaps you will be the biggest casualty of the transformation and these changes happen to come every 20 years! Just when you think you are safe, your next generation will face new changes, ...like starting all over again and again...can we see it or are we in the state of frustrations, anxiously and angry?"

- - Anonymity 

Thank you.

[1:20 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good analysis!

The one big fear or game changer is Saudi Oil and US$!

What Nixon did is to peg oil with the dollars!

Should this pegging decouple, you may be right...and Frankie too?

Thank you.

[1:21 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Iran and the big boys....

Wait, long essay coming....

[1:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 4 July, 2022

"All trades have three keys that is currency, banks, route - land or sea or air, and the rest are negotiations and benefits...!"

- - anonymity 

"The Old Game of Trades or Treats or Tricks"

The Persian, after more than 200 years of waiting, the Russians will have another golden chance of a breakthrough bypassing the Suez Canal, a direct link into the Indian Ocean.

Possibly, the most dangerous scenario would be a collaboration between China, Russia and Iran which concluded days ago in Beijing!

This collation is a reminiscence of the once Sino-Soviet era. This assess of the Indian Ocean dated back to the early 19th century, to be exact in 12 January of 1830. The rivary between the Russians and the British empire. The British went all out to …

[1:38 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Having written such a lengthy essay, minted history and analysis.

Are there threats to our SG Petro chemical and Tuas Mega Port  and lastly our relevance and livelihoods?

The answer is NO SWEAT! ( "connecting" many complex dots in deriving the answer!)

Thank you.

[1:43 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Anonymous. Er was  IUSD pegged to price of oil?

[1:47 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Pls check the term "petrol dollar"

Thank you, Jimmy!

[1:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Henry Kissinger brokered the deal as NSA chief to keep the house of Saad in power.

[1:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Compromising the Iranians?

Can we preliminary conclude that perhaps The centuries old Iran was supposed to be the Crown Jewel of the Middle East?

People changed and things changed too!

The key is " in any decision (small or strategic), there will always be a reason (s)...."

- - anonymity 

Thank you, Andrew for bringing it up!

[1:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Who's Henry?

What was his first dissertation about and the subsequents?

Thank you.

[1:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: REASON OR REASONS.

thank you.

[1:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Our Tuas Mega Port is a great STRATEGIC decision.... likewise for our Jurong Island and LNG too...

What are the reasons for the two closely synergies and synthesizing too?

Reasons?

Thank you, Andrew!

[1:56 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One sure thing, it was thought through in the 1990s!

That's 3 decades of planning, foresightedness, bravery and know how's!

"No Sweat", today!

Thank you!

[1:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Will someone kindly share it with Mr Leong and Mr Singh....!'

- - anonymity 

Thank you

[1:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Speaking at the closing of the Citizen’s Panel on Employment Resilience, on Saturday 25 March, DPM Lawrence Wong said Singapore does not seek to protect jobs as this will hold back the process of innovation. Some jobs will inevitably become obsolete because of technical advancements. However, new jobs offering better productivity and wages will be created in their place. 

As such, the Government will redouble efforts to help every Singaporean reskill, upskill and transit more easily to take up new job opportunities. DPM Wong also said in his speech that, unlike many other countries in the world, Singapore possesses a stronger foundation for implementing a system for adult training, skills upgrading and job placement.

💬 What are your views on …

[2:14 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MNCs employ more than half Singaporeans in workforce.

46% senior level are employed by MNCs.

So it is very significant - as many of such jobs are high paying jobs.

Anything happens to MNCs - will have significant impact to our job labour market as well as to our economy.

[2:15 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Possibly and most welcome

[2:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Great foresight by our government with assistance from both locally and internationally.

[2:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: 😳😃😄😁

[2:17 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also many of our SMEs and even GLCs have supporting functions to these MNCs - either as suppliers or business partners.

If MNCs pull out enmass - SMEs and our GLCs are not immune - which also could impact jobs in the SMEs and GLCs.

[2:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Former U.S. Secretary of State and one time National Security Advisor.

[2:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Good breakdown!

Thank you, Danny!

[2:19 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 30% are more Senior in rank or pay, private sector!

This is one Key group that needs further investigations and standby for the future changes in their employability...

Thank you.

[2:21 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Is true, everyone and once in a while, we all need to update and to educate ourselves! ( Before "they" start to speak about this and that...?)

Thank you, Andrew!

[2:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One darling sweetness is that Our MFA, MTI and MOM are in good contact and Buddy Buddy relationships with our MNCs!

Isn't this PR and Diplomacy in playing?

Thank you, Danny for bringing it up!

[2:29 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Life after life! The past, now and the future are interrelated. And now, money, trades, technologies and unintended consequences are four organisms of this digital ecosystem. So what's the future be, from neolithic to egalitarianism and onto socialism? There will be a big change to the entire spectrum of the human and earth ecosystems (since the last 150 million years) and how fast these changes will be and human adaptability, it's really hard to predict because it will be highly complex, these interrelated changes!"

- - anonymity 

Reflect and think deeper than this long passage... thank you!

[2:31 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Solving the Mysteries of Labor (jobs)?"

[2:35 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Chinese wealth is rushing into the Southeast Asian city-state, prompting unease among some locals..

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/3/27/chinas-rich-flee-crackdowns-for-asias-switzerland-singapore

[2:38 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: The Job!..Nursery rhymes of the day?

Here it goes...

1 2 ,...buckle your shoes

3 4,.. back to the work floor

5 6,.. solving many mistakes

7 8,.. everyday seems like a headache

9 10, time to end... (the day)!

Anonymity

[2:40 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Jimmy, thanks for sharing this news!

The old Swiss bank is having trouble?

The new "sweet" bank is having a boom town charlie rounds!

Which place will you put your big money into?

Thank you again!

[3:05 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on the Government’s approach towards employment resilience? How can we better support Singaporeans in staying employed?

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[3:05 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I think alot depends on the global situation

[3:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Alot of our jobs are dependent on foreign investment and companies

[3:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Feedback and backfeed...

[3:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: How can we stay neutral and get investment by both brics and the west

[3:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Rough waters ahead :(

[3:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, a narrow path...without agitating or offending others, all are inter related!

Thank you, Fulgrim for this important question!

[3:09 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: It's all about BENEFITS AND WHO BENEFITING FROM WHO AND WHOM WITHOUT COMPROMISING INTO THE NEXT 3 NATIONS !

There may be a greater need to renegotiate all/part of FTA cos of the divided power and order!

[3:13 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Relations and diplomacy matter most, going forward!

"Don’t make enemies. Avoid stepping on other people’s toes which is quite a norm in business and corporate world. People who do this will not last long. People who take short-cuts will have their success short lived. People say sometimes this can’t be avoided. That’s a lie. Under all circumstances, stay away from it, no adversity, please..."

- - anonymity 

Thanks, Fulgrim!

[3:15 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Diplomacy can be tricky with giving up and taking less to ease tension and conflict.

[3:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good pointers and often Blindspot for bosses, diplomats and laymen!

" Be true to yourself, your causes and don't be persuaded by fear nor foolishness, people will sense you!...the more you think crooked, so will the walk path and the rest of the devils follow suit...?"

- - anonymity

Thanks, Andrew!

[3:20 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Walking on the Sunshine path or peddling at back ally of darkness?

The problem with this dark ally, there is no exit nor light at the end...?

Thank you.

[3:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: TRUST must be earned!

This invincible force will be the callings of tomorrow!

Trusting each other and things may proceed or start wasting precious lifetime fixing things which are unnecessarily!

G to G, B to B, G to C to B !

Thank you!

[3:25 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Increasingly the narrow path is getting narrower. The us has an attitude of either with them ot against them ( famously said by junior bush)

[3:26 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U see, even we have to limit tik tok on gahmen devices

[3:34 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Most welcome

[3:34 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[3:34 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: 😀😃😄

[3:36 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Fulgrim, glad you brought up this common heated and mystified point!

" When politicians say and act...(政客言商行) businessmen will act otherwise... don't be persuaded nor bluff by " either one of them"..., Remain very STEADY and importantly have a STEADY hands and stay CALM!"

THANK YOU, FULGRIM!

[3:38 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: We need you and do many of us in this chat to find ways out the "forest of chaos and the turbulence time"!

Please do it, thanks, Andrew!

[3:40 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One more essay that is related to the above (政客言商行) "don't be persuaded nor bluff by them"?

Please try to think deeper this historical happenings...the past, the present and the future!

Thank you.

[3:42 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 21 March, 2023

Who needs who most?

In the seige of Leningrad, Roosevelt lend help to Stalin that changed the course and history of WW2. More than one million people died of starvation in the longest seige of WW2, the Nazi encircled Leningrad for 872 days.

Roosevelt supplied enroute from the Arctic part of Russia, that was the key for Stalin revival and subsequently unblocked the Nazi strategy.

One thing was Stalin hold on and did not accept Roosevelt help only after Stalin gotten the benefits from the US assess to Europe. Russia was at the losing end, war was still in progress. Roosevelt finally agreed to Stalin demands of "post war Europe territorial rights" and the rest was history!

In the latest Xi-Putin meeting, perhaps who needs who most (appease…

[3:44 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: The controversy is whether Russia would have worn if the us did not help and I think they can. Their country is huge and they can trade territory for time to rearm and requip. It is the graveyard of invaders. Look at Napoleon . Lol

[3:44 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Pls do not circulate or anonymity will perish,...kidding!

Thank you.

[3:44 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: In any case, we are especially vulnerable . We don't even have enough resources to feed or support ourselves . And I fear we will be drawn in

[3:45 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Napoleon, too GREEDY!

Stalin is cunning, so is Putin! It's in Russian DNA and bloodline!

[3:45 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Straits of Malacca is a strategic point for oil and other imports to China. That's partially why they do the one belt one road to have an overland route. Also the proposed kra canal at thailand

[3:46 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Strategic competition (critical moments) is not a ping pong match, not a rallying of the ping pong ball between two players...no ambiguity, it's WAR!"

- - anonymity

[3:46 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: The us has bases here in Singapore and they can easily blockade Chinese ships , what happens to Singapore then. Can we say we are neutral and you cannot do this from our bases ? Don't think the us is gonna care . Lol

[3:46 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Wait they deactivate all our missiles and f35 remotely 🤣

[3:46 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: That's why the Kra Canal will not materilised and our Tuas Mega Port is safe and safer, going forward...

Thank you!

[3:47 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Yah , I know we torpedoing it

[3:47 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: But we have assure china we won't take sides or else they will still try to push it through

[3:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi FULGRIM,

What if our Changi Naval Base becomes a strategic boombing target for whatsoever adversary?

Thank you.

[3:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I would say it is already a target. Because it's big enough to take us aircraft carriers

[3:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: If conflict comes. How can we maintain neutral

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Paper tiger...playing

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Can we even evict the us or say we neutral. Don't base your ships here

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Where is Changi airport located?

Thank you.

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Paper tiger or not, we ikan bilis

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: No and never will!

Balancing the power base!

Thank you.

[3:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: ?

[3:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Next to Changi Naval Base...

Thank you.

[3:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: All I m saying , this is a difficult and dangerous game .

[3:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: So?

[3:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "killing 2 golden goose with one mission.... good deal!"

Thank you.

[3:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Plus Hendon camp as a bonus 🤣

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Once you do, you might as well do it all!

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Hope never comes to that

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Supply chain all behenti, stop!

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Just the economic fallout alone

[3:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: We will die

[3:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Die slowly!

[3:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Or as LKY said

[3:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Rejoin Malaysia 🤣

[3:53 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "you see, in any big world, is about seizing another country's valuable assets with the least distruction so that you can turn around and make full use of these free assets...?"

- - anonymity

[3:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: You laugh ..

Pls start counting the flag and the strips... you won't laugh, any longer...

Thank you!

[3:55 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Tunku Abdul Rahman, said...

[3:58 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Will do my level best.

[3:58 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: don't think we are small fish?...( jangan fikir kita ikan kecil?)

Thank you...(terima kasih)

[3:58 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[3:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Cost is too enormous!

[3:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Cheers, Andrew!

We all need each other to strive for a better future for our next generations...

Thank you.

[4:00 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Our PM already hinted that we have to eventually choose sides.

[4:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: We cannot handle a dominant China in the South China Sea

[4:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Besides costing to build the kra!

One key consideration is the islands of Nicobar in the Indian Ocean!

Once blocked, what's the usefulness of the Kra?

Myanmar port is useful, so far and no blockade at the Nicobar!

So can we all SEE that our strategic locale is?

Thank you!

[4:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[4:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Should It happen, ...

What about our Petra Blanca?

Let's think deeper!

Interrelated!

Thank you.

[4:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: This history between Japan 🇯🇵 and Nazi start at same time ww2

[4:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Nazi is most horror and cruelty

[4:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Buddy Buddy tried to meet in the Middle of Asia...just Napoleon!

Thank you.

[4:03 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Don't discount the polar bears!

[4:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Day time befriends with this...and evening accompanies the other...? 

Possible? Boleh lah!

[4:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Probably that's why the belt and road is the other alternative . Overland routes to Europe and other north Asian countries . The sea route is hard due to the size of the us navy

[4:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Interesting question is who will the us keep its war machine paid if there is a world war. Print money but who will still buy it's debt?

[4:05 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, FULGRIM!

If the sea routes are blocked, you go land Routes into central Asia (all the "Tans" nations)!

So what about turkey?

Thank you!

[4:05 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Collect taxpayer

[4:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Just print more!

[4:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Speaking at the closing of the Citizen’s Panel on Employment Resilience, on Saturday 25 March, DPM Lawrence Wong said Singapore does not seek to protect jobs as this will hold back the process of innovation. Some jobs will inevitably become obsolete because of technical advancements. However, new jobs offering better productivity and wages will be created in their place. 

As such, the Government will redouble efforts to help every Singaporean reskill, upskill and transit more easily to take up new job opportunities. DPM Wong also said in his speech that, unlike many other countries in the world, Singapore possesses a stronger foundation for implementing a system for adult training, skills upgrading and job placement.

💬 What are your views on …

[4:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Turkey is part of NATo but think it's a love hate relationship with the west . Lol

[4:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Debt reserve go up over the year and trillion dollars

[4:06 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Central Bank Digital Currency...

Executive order 14067...

[4:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Order 66 💀

[4:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: GDP = Debt nation

[4:08 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: It will be.

[4:08 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Case FED is likely hike next session

[4:09 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[4:09 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you, Andrew!

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Which nation is debt free?

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: No one but who print money like no tomorrow

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Hahaha

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Singapore 😂

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Us military ask for budget machiam like no limit one

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: And become worthless eventually!?

[4:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Heng we have no central bank

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Our founding fathers early on reject the idea of a central bank ( aka print money 💰)

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Great foresight

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Actually, the us founding fathers were against it also

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: In constitution

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: But it was ignored 🤣

[4:12 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: They only remember the guns only 😂

[4:13 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: To tune of being 46 trillion in debt currently!

[4:13 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Before it's worthless... what will happen first, foremost?

Thank you.

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Ask the rest of the world to buy it's debt lor

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Thats why brics moving away from USD is the big threat to them

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: No tik tok 🤣

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Not the Chinese, Russian, Arabs!

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Saudi esp. once oil is no longer sold in USD

[4:16 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: GG

[4:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Though I think USA will be " liberating" Saudi soon 💀

[4:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: If they tried that

[4:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: The fulcrum is India and the Indian Ocean!

China and even Japan and Korea needs the passage for oil, export and import!

[4:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: India will prob see whichever gives it the most advantage

[4:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: It's part of brics yet also part of western alliance to contain china

[4:19 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Yen!,

[4:19 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Military wise!

[4:20 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: A wish!

[4:20 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Any currency pegged to gold pls

[4:21 pm, 29/03/2023] +Ken: Many.. just what is the percentage of it

[4:22 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Venezuela too!

[4:22 pm, 29/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I know, I m just saying  the next global currency should be pegged to gold

[4:35 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: By right is gold and by left is digital.

Thank you

[4:36 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Russia announced since the invasion of Ukraine that the rubles Wil be pegged to gold. With such a regime would you trust? One might fall from the balcony haha

[4:39 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: I can do fast work for 8 hr until by at 8am to 5.30pm end work or nt

[4:40 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Think like a Money changer, and you will get it...

Thank you

[4:41 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Yinnia!

[4:43 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: But every Singapore Dollar we printed is backed by assets gold, silver, USD , can , Reminbi etc. we got sound fiscal policies

[4:43 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[4:44 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Old world order!

"You see, I use my shein and Xiaomi in exchange for your oil/gold/etc...

I turn around with your oil and exchange yours with others for other goods....?"

- - anonymity

[4:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: What govt desire for the workers to up skill and be ready is good. I thinks the challenge is leadership and collaboration

[4:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One interesting point to tickle some folks...

What if nations start offloading the US bonds till more than 50% mark?

What will happen to the dollars?

Thank you.

[4:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Let me share an incident lately

[4:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[4:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: My cpf investment holdings have been liquidated

[4:49 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: By yourself!?

[4:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Nope

[4:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I went to the local bank to inquire. a investment sales person tried to help

[4:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The one that I opened the investment account treats ago

[4:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Got conned by a amateur!?

[4:51 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: We go to at Bedok polycyclic on April , l am only diabetes , how?

[4:52 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: She says not her job and I told her politely that she represent the bank.

[4:53 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: She checked with her Manager, he refered to the svc mgr the reply is to ask cpf

[4:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Good that earlier I went to CPF. Cpf says refer to bank

[4:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Yinnia,

Pls go polyclinic soon and get your medicines.

Take care! Thank you!

[4:56 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: When told svc Manager ask the sales person to handle because they're busy

[4:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 拿药 dapatkan ubat anda

[4:57 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://fortune.com/2023/03/27/recession-2023-layoffs-tech-finance-unemployment-outlook-fed-rates-murray-sabrin/

[4:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Their attitude is to "Siam" and delegate

[4:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Bad leadership attitude begets bad work attitude and bad attitude lead to the fall of the local bank.

[5:00 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Does the licence to sell insurance products absolve the bank of any liability?

[5:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I am assuming the smart ones retirees and the bad managers takes over pushing work away

[5:02 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yes. There's a clause to say your have to check and inform them of discrepancies within 14 days (new) one month for existing

[5:03 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Beyond that, too bad!

[5:03 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: I want go pay new DSB cheque book How much DSB cheque is it?

[5:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Anyway I am sad the state of banking in Singapore is declining. Maybe my anecdotal experience

[5:04 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: How much cost pay DSB cheque book is it?

[5:05 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Please check all your investments and data. Make sure all in order

[5:06 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Last time 1 cheque book $10. Now I don't know.

Treasury member - free.

[5:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: LKY says is true integrity very important and critical. Without it we're nobody. Look at US on the Iraq war and Trumps lying

[5:07 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

You must apply for a current account in order to have cheque book.

$2 charge every month.

[5:08 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Sgd50.00

[5:08 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh serious?

Now $50?

[5:09 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on the Government’s approach towards employment resilience? How can we better support Singaporeans in staying employed?

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[5:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Govt should look Into value training to

[5:11 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Dotard might make a comeback 2024 if court and prison elude him.

[5:14 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Do the right thing and to take responsibility

[5:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: I will go pay cash $3000 by deposit it at Bedok DSB or nt

[5:17 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: With the push on going paperless and digital, cheque book is discouraged while online payment is being promoted.

[5:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Using singpass is secure on official bank app.

[5:18 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Can do swift fund transfer or paynow.

[5:18 pm, 29/03/2023] +Yinnia New: Hv provide recipient deposit at Bedok DSB or nt

[5:22 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: DBS app dowm

[5:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Too long since I first noticed!

[5:23 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I can go in just now.

[5:23 pm, 29/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Waiting so long I itch need online purchase

[5:23 pm, 29/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Use D2pay if making payment.

[5:34 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: "For the US to continue to act successfully abroad, it must restore the domestic foundations of its power. Improving the lives of ordinary Americans is of secondary importance; what matters to the foreign policy elite is preserving America's capacity to shape events around the globe...Instead, the paramount feature of international relations in the first half of the twenty-first century is nonpolarity; power has been diffused, spread among an enormous list of entities capable in their own right to exert their influence."

- - Richard N. Haass "Foreign Policy Begins at Home 2013"

[5:42 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: I think America is beyond recovery

[5:43 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, previous weeks, you asked to bring it on...

Ok, chapter 1 of the longer essay coming... enjoy the reading!

Thank you!

[5:44 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 7 March, 2023

"Hard and Soft Power: The Reality of Idealogy, Freedom and Values"

"Life after life! The past, now and the future are interrelated. And now, money, trades, technologies and unintended consequences are four organisms of this digital ecosystem. So what's the future be, from neolithic to egalitarianism and onto socialism? There will be a big change to the entire spectrum of the human and earth ecosystems (since the last 150 million years) and how fast these changes will be and human adaptability, it's really hard to predict because it will be highly complex, these interrelated changes!"

- - anonymity 

The Big Picture?

Commonwealth or Common Prosperity or Common Good?

What are the developments in terms of economics, social, political and tech…

[5:59 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Apologies if any typo error, all essays are carefully typed into this simple OPPO phone and saved in the notes...no big screen computer!

" Using simple and cheaper tool to the fullest...?"

Thank you.

[6:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +Rama: Their domestic politics is a  shamble which translate to a joke of a government.

[6:01 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Speaking at the closing of the Citizen’s Panel on Employment Resilience, on Saturday 25 March, DPM Lawrence Wong said Singapore does not seek to protect jobs as this will hold back the process of innovation. Some jobs will inevitably become obsolete because of technical advancements. However, new jobs offering better productivity and wages will be created in their place. 

As such, the Government will redouble efforts to help every Singaporean reskill, upskill and transit more easily to take up new job opportunities. DPM Wong also said in his speech that, unlike many other countries in the world, Singapore possesses a stronger foundation for implementing a system for adult training, skills upgrading and job placement.

💬 What are your views on …

[6:07 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One thing, pls pass on to our IMDA...

On issues of hacking, coding and security protocol!

Harmonic

Modulate

Amplitude

Synthesize

These four variables will identify key areas of loopholes, penetration and defence!

Thank you.

[6:10 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Whale language, is one pioneering research of comm, of coding and unique language too.

Thank you!

[6:24 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: One (secret), Craig Venter and Francis Collins not revealed is organic and synthesis!

The genome code breakers (Nobel winners) aka helix of life and death can be modulated and amplified as a means to code and decode inside the super computer which was (still is WIP) done and broke through!

Keys are organic, code and decode! These are interrelated variables of planet Earth!

Thank you.

[6:25 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Stop thinking of computers, digits and logic as fixed! It is NOT!

[6:46 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:48 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Lower-wage young workers face challenges with job mobility and training: NUS study    

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/lower-wage-young-workers-face-challenges-with-job-mobility-and-training-nus-study

[6:50 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: New Disney cruise ship to set sail from Singapore from 2025

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/consumer/new-disney-cruise-ship-to-set-sail-from-singapore-from-2025

Another STAR !

[6:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Wai Xin! Sorry for the typo error!

[6:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYD00nsm7-A

[6:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Wai Xin: this is a very timely article. indeed we need to encourage the population and support them in long-term continuous learning. 

and those in gig-industry such as Grab delivery will be severely impacted as robotics and drones will eventually displace them. As they get older with more commitments, they will face even greater inertia. All these are compounding factors that can result in them trap in the low earning ceiling.

the downside on the hand is we run the risk of a lot of poorly delivered training program which only benefits the provider from all the grant and subsidy. within the training providers, there are already some noise about how some schools just don't deliver people with better skillset. 

I think some of those government funded programs in the…

[6:54 pm, 29/03/2023] +Wai Xin: no worries, and hello!

[6:55 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Exceptional views! Thank you, Wai Xin!

[6:55 pm, 29/03/2023] +Wai Xin: thank you. just sharing my observations and what I heard :)

[6:56 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Pls continue to engage and share your thoughts! We all learn...

Thank you!

[6:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: Pls critic this longer essay, coming now... thank you.

[6:57 pm, 29/03/2023] +Smiley face: 29 March, 2023

To: Our Distinguished Leaders, Experts, Academia, and All Honorable Members 

"Every twenty years there will always be transformation (change) of tangibles and/or intangibles, something would happen...this coming transformation is about shortening the work time or restructuring the process or  downsizing the workforce in order to achieve a leaner and more profitable outcome for businesses who embrace these digits (AI) and new ways in the making...!"

- - anonymity 

"Solving the Mysteries of Labor?"

Changes (aka Transforms)

Time after time and generation over generation...

Now,  it is upmost urgent to identify the key Sectors and specific Jobs that will likely be (30% chances of attrition) affected by the transformation and new ways of wor…

[7:00 pm, 29/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 439 -  What are your views on the impending enactment of Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL)? What more can be done to protect workers against discrimination and uphold fairness at workplaces, while preserving workplace harmony?

(SK)

 27 Mar 2023 (10am - 7pm)

REACH

[9:45 am, 27/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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[9:59 am, 27/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

On 23 Mar 2023, more than 200 employers, HR professionals and workers participated in a dialogue on Workplace Fairness. This dialogue is part of ongoing engagements by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness, which released an interim report on 13 Feb 2023, containing 20 recommendations for the proposed Bill to protect workers against biases on nationality, age and others, as well as new penalties on errant employers. A range of issues such as special arrangements, outsourcing, misunderstanding on discrimination and how to avoid them were discussed at the dialogue. 

💬 *What are your views on the impending enactment of Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL)? What more can be done to protect workers against discrimination and uphold fairness at workplaces, while preserving workplace harmony? *

In the opening remarks, Senior Minister of State for Manpower, Zaqy Mohamad, mentioned the workplace fairness law will provide clearer rules, in addition to allowing more proportionate action to be taken against errant firms.

The summary of recommendations by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness include: 

📌 Strengthen protections against workplace discrimination (E.g. Recommendation 1: Prohibit workplace discrimination in respect of the following characteristics: (i) age, (ii) nationality, (iii) sex, marital status, pregnancy status, caregiving responsibilities, (iv) race, religion, language, (v) disability and mental health conditions.)

*📌 Provisions to support business/organisational needs and national objectives *(E.g. Recommendation 11: Allow employers to favour persons with disabilities and seniors (55 years and above) over other groups in hiring decisions, even if another candidate may be equally or more qualified.)

📌 Processes for resolving grievances and disputes while preserving workplace harmony (E.g. Recommendation 12: Require employers to put in place grievance handling processes. Employers should also protect the confidentiality of the identity of persons who report workplace discrimination and harassment, where possible.)

📌 Ensuring fair outcomes through redress for victims of workplace discrimination and more appropriate penalties for breaches (E.g. Recommendation 16: Encourage parties to explore non-monetary remedies, such as reinstatement of an employment offer or providing an apology letter, where practicable.)

If accepted by the Government, the new law will be introduced on top of current guidelines against discrimination by the Tripartite Alliance for Fair & Progressive Employment Practices (TAFEP). The Committee’s final report is expected to be ready later this year. 

👉 Special arrangements, outsourcing among issues raised at dialogue on proposed workplace fairness law

https://str.sg/iZAQ

👉 Work ‘still ongoing’ on how to define workplace discrimination in upcoming law: Zaqy 

https://bt.sg/5z96

You may read up on the full Summary of Recommendations and the Interim Report:

👉 https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/press-releases/2023/0213-tripartite-committee-releases-interim-report-on-recommendations-for-wfl

👉 go.gov.sg/wfl

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[10:09 am, 27/03/2023] +Umar M: A LOT more work is needed to recognise that workplace discrimination exists and is actually very rampant in many different sectors and industries.

[10:20 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: Chennai Business Park during lunch says someone at MOM is sleeping while approving employment permits.

[10:21 am, 27/03/2023] +Grace: How does one legislate graciousness?

Won't it make us more litigious? 

I am a young mom and I have bosses tell me just put my child in infant care and come back to work ASAP n roll eyes when I need to take childcare leave. 

Legislation doesn't help. They are stressed too. We just need less work, more life. Hard to achieve.

[10:34 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[10:37 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: The 5 Concerns?

Conflicts

Conversations

Considerations

Consensus

Coexisting 

- - anonymity

[10:39 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Grace, good morning! An excellent point that is GRACIOUSNESS!

This good virtue of graciousness must be taught starting from a young age...the sooner the better!

Thank you.

[10:41 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Umar, good point!

Discrimination based on age and race, these two are commonalities of D!

Thank you

[10:42 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi TD, good morning!

Attitude towards work and at the workplace matters because of pride or more issues?

Thank you.

[10:43 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: If you have worked with them, you dont need to ask. If you didn't, then no amount of explaining will make you understand

[10:44 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: What is managing?

Many people including experts think that the essence of management is a combination of the arts and the sciences?

     - - in progress - -

[10:46 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "One rule of calibration is to objectively be a target of achievement. Collaboration is another subject that needs people's efforts in achieving a good outcome. How to calibrate using human as the 'object' to reach a higher order of tangibles? Is human a 'subject'? If so, what other innovative methods will do the job better?"

- - anonymity

[11:04 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Workplace discrimination could be in the form of :-

1. Age - above 50 years old is a problem.

2. Women with pregnancy or child bearing.

3. Disabilities

4. Races

I think for organisations that have less discrimination based on my observation in workplace are :-

1. Government 

2. GLCs

3. MNCs

How to safeguard against workplace discrimination?

1. Legislation is one way.

2. Bosses hiring staff must focus on competencies, chemistry - and must be able to look beyond the above discrimnatory factors.

It is all about human ethics - difficult to legislate.

[11:08 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: I have personal experience that would argue against GLC being nondiscriminatory.

They just hide it better. Worked for nearly a decade at one of the largest GLC/TLC.

[11:12 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I used to work in a GLC at a later part of my career whereby I see staff of different races, pregnant women, mature workers.

Though I didn't see any disabilities.

[11:15 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: I saw deliberate targeting of senior Mature workers for retrenchment.

[11:16 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: I saw department heads prioritising promotion and hiring of their own nationalities

[11:17 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: No comment on disabled. From what I can see, maternity/Paternity benefits were taken care of.

[11:24 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: I am not sure glc/mnc/government is discrimination free!

[11:24 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: There is

[11:25 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: My previous workplace was shitty, and I will give them a lot of shite about a lot of things, but Paternity/Maternity wise it was okay, I feel.

Have to be  fair.

[11:26 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Still long way to go

[11:39 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't think is discrimination free.

But compare to outside - it is better.

But however targeting mature workers for retrenchment - I think they do try to reduce their salary.

If refuse, mature workers leave.

[11:40 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree on targeting older people for retrenchment by reducing salary

[11:42 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: I saw salary reduction, old senior managers being forced out and sidelined.

These were lifers with decades of experience and irreplaceable knowledge. Really didn't like the way they were treated.

[11:43 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is a common observation.

[11:43 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: agree on the better than outside though.

[11:43 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: No respect for loyalty!

[11:45 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nowadays, seems like respect for loyalty is not the norm.

But for older firms - boss treat their loyal staff very well until they retire.

[11:47 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Government, GLC can no longer set the example!?

[11:47 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: 27 March, 2023

To: Our Distinguished Leaders, Human Capital Experts and All Honorable Members 

In Search of the "fittings" just to survive through for as long as possible...?"

- - anonymity

Employable and Dispensable?

6 billions people are educated...Moving the barometer of unemployability to 45 years old and onwards will be the callings of the coming digitisations, streamlinings and orientations of the work process and at the workplace!

How organisations and managements reacting to these changing paradigms that is  shifting the ways private or public businesses are dealing with it, one thing is mobility of people and the next is competencies of each worker from the bottoms up to the top. Either you contribute alot or you are out of it!

"The needs…

[11:47 am, 27/03/2023] +TD: didnt see it at the GLC I worked for. And it's one of the oldest firms in Singapore

[11:47 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not sure about government.

But GLC increasingly like that.

[11:48 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Statutory boards!?

[11:48 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: Not sure.

[11:48 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Civil service!?

[11:49 am, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: Probably better.

[11:49 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good morning!

Both private and public must come together to address these malpractices at the workplace!

Thank you

[11:51 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Negative hr practices must be corrected without fear but fairness!

[11:51 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "talking happens to be the cheapest trades... and concrete actions and commitments are the true hero of the win win outcomes...!"

- - anonymity

[11:52 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[11:52 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you!

[11:55 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Next ..what will you do if your workers are SLACKING and how will you act on it to turn things around or Simply sack these slackers at work?

Is it a science or is it an art in dealing with people aka human and their brains?

What are the conditions and motivations to act upon, the tools?

Do the HR or human capital experts know exactly what to do or the old ways of hiring and firing?

Thank you.

[11:56 am, 27/03/2023] +Rama: No, they don't!

[11:59 am, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: As a civic Society, we protect the innocent and the ignorant, from the young ones and the elderly...

Isn't it true, such a simple philosophy to comprehend yet Human chooses to do things otherwise to their benefits with no consciousness or wrongs?

Just to make more money and the pursuit of success!

What is compassionate meritocracy? Is it achievable or just a talking point?

Thank you.

[0:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Make money and the pursuit of success comes first! Compassion meritocracy is a myth!

[0:04 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: That's pragmatism!

True but avoidable!

Who is gonna take the leadership role, the ownership and champion the true course of these dysfunctional social behaviors, aka Kiasu and Kiaboh? How about boh kiasi?

Thank you, Andrew!

Thank you.

[0:06 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Probably those sit down, shake their legs and collect a fat pay check!?

[0:07 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: There will always be Free Riders around everywhere!

Thank you.

[0:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Saving the workers?

1st happiness, is to reskill and retool

2nd happiness, is to land a matched job

3rd happiness, is this new role sustainable or it starts all over again.

[0:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Good point

[0:21 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.

[0:24 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Human (workers) as the subject and Job (objects).

How can we craft a role and design a job out of existing and future needs, with it a growth needs or the unstoppable automations (AI) at the work floor?

One thing, you need human and bot, both at work!

Thank you

[0:25 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Big adjustment coming and needed with AI/Robotics and Drones against jobs human will do in time to come!

[0:26 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Till that day arrives,... crafted robots are able to smile or cry indifferently and perfectly like humans laughing or crying, that's the day, true and perpetual Intelligence!'

- - anonymity

[0:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Cultures, values, language are three keys that AI may not necessarily have the advantage over human abilities and knowledge. How can the craft hood (craftiness) of AI learning cultures and values across the continent and what about the loss in translation of language from any native language other than English, reference to the US or China?  Cultures, values  and languages have embedded history of the human emotions in it that AI may not fully comprehend and able to put it into perspectives when analyzing a situation or a set of requirements to a finite answer....

[0:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Second longer essay....

Perfection or Excellence?

There is no perfect knowledge from looking at one another of history, of social economics, of empathy, of feelings, of interests, of experiences. These are subjectivities that humans do better than artificial and augmented Intelligence. It is not an easy task for AI to calibrate accurately and derive an exceptional or a perfect ly correct answer! Will machine languages synthesize with humanity into a live language of translations and transforming itself into a robust platform of "no second guessing" and searching for answers?

[0:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Lagi longer essay...

Pit and Pitch?

AI is an objection (pit).

Recall, memory, repetitive, pattern recognition

Humans are subjective (pitch).

Compassion, creativity, context, reasoning, diversity of experiences/behaviours/team consist of left, centre and right.

Integration?

How does it matter to policymakers, together, AI and human cognitive abilities to recommend sound solutions especially in the area of sensitivity information from economics, sociald to politics or intelligence and of national and international interest?

[0:29 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Finally, finished....

Governance and Adaptability?

Will AI eventually replacing human for most of the tasks that once upon a time were humanly done?

How can we use AI together with Human touch to accelerate more objective and affirmative outcomes?

How can we teach AI to quantify feelings, moods, anger, ego, emotion Intelligence and not be presumptuous whether it is an entity or your enemy? Objective and subject, a clouding effect, there is a longer journey ahead to bridge these big gaps of human knowledge, machine learning and synthesize into one big thinking tank in which AI will be able to in a second guess all human behaviors and emotions to a perfect answer!

Meantime, don't trust that intelligent botchat that may not give you the full picture of the…

[0:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: - - anonymity

[0:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[0:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.

Hope that all of us including all experts and Policymakers will READ the above and use them to solve and resolve the COMING corrections of the human RACE!

Thank you,

Anonymity

[0:33 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Building that Exceptional Team!"

Genesis:

"Start by imagining or reimagining before you begins your mission, your previous failures and successes, your rules of engagement and lastly, what are your goals and that exceptional team you aspires"

- - anonymity

[0:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: If only those senior amongst us can see the results after we are s8x foot under!

[0:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Six

[0:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Just wait till 2030 arrives, that's 6 years away!

Thank you.

[0:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 👍👋🙏👌🤝

[0:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: 27 March, 2023

"Shake up or Shape up?"

"Managing, this word is powerful, beautiful and glorious because it is like the invincible way of dealings with everything under the sun ..?"

- - anonymity 

What is managing?

Many people including experts think that the essence of management is a combination of the arts and the sciences?

It is a common annual practice of "letting go" up to 5% of a multinational organisation's workforce, bottoms up!

So what is discrimination or favoritism? 

It is a preference towards a person whether is based on race, age or skills or a combinations of more preexisting mindset of a manager and his/her peers and colleagues. It is human nature to prefer and/or compare tangibles to intangibles, it's true, it is innate in all human b…

[1:12 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "A good government is expected not only to carry on and maintain standards, it is expected to raise them."

MM Lee Kuan Yew

"I'm very determined. If I decide that something is worth doing, then I'll put my heart and soul to it"

MM Lee Kuan Yew

[1:12 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: We need duplicate LKY!

[1:13 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.

A tribute and a gentle reminder of this exceptional man! Lee Kuan Yew, Sir!

Thank you.

[1:14 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: A moment of silence, thank you.

[1:14 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 😞🙏

[1:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron."

- - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Washington 16 April, 1953

[1:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Sad but true!

[1:22 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Is true....!

"The future is what we make of it. We owe it to ourselves to give of our best to build the foundations of a harmonious and integrated nation, peaceful, prosperous and vigilant, a haven of tolerance, harmony and progress in the stormy seas of Southeast Asia."

MM Lee Kuan Yew

[1:57 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

Ideally, workers could work and then retire from official retirement age.

And then younger staff move upwards to replace the retired staff.

This will make working staff happy and feel organisation take care of them - and make staff feel secure in their jobs.

But increasingly, this is no longer the case.

Come 50 years old, mature staff are make to reduce their salary.

If refused, will be force to move out.

This is now a common trend.

[2:02 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence, working staff is better to save more and invest prudently and wisely in safe passive financial instruments such as insurance or other long term financial apparatus such as SSB, etc to grow their income to prepare for such eventuality.

Refrain from investing in high risk higher return investment - it is possible to even lose the capital.

Don't think high income, one can afford to spend lavishly such as going for tours, spend in lavish lifestyle such as buying expensive cars, dine in high class restaurant, splurge in luxurious goods thinking that job security is always there.

Job security is not guarantee and always wise to save for rainy day.

[2:03 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[2:04 pm, 27/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

On 23 Mar 2023, more than 200 employers, HR professionals and workers participated in a dialogue on Workplace Fairness. This dialogue is part of ongoing engagements by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness, which released an interim report on 13 Feb 2023, containing 20 recommendations for the proposed Bill to protect workers against biases on nationality, age and others, as well as new penalties on errant employers. A range of issues such as special arrangements, outsourcing, misunderstanding on discrimination and how to avoid them were discussed at the dialogue. 

💬 *What are your views on the impending enactment of Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL)? What more can be done to protect workers against discrimination and uphold fairne…

[2:09 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Frankly is NTUC useful ? I saw a lot of unfairness but ntuc was around for so long have it done it work ?

[2:09 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: I don't see any tangible positive results!

[2:10 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Ntuc really only good in gocery price control but as a union is not good.

[2:10 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Totally agree!

[2:10 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Maybe can tell me why there is a influx of foreigner in last 18 years and our birth still decrease ?

[2:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Than I think I can tell u my thoughts

[2:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Is there a real transfer of skill ?

[2:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Or just pull a wool over ppl ?

[2:12 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: NTUC is only good for pushing to ban plastic bags and nothing else.

And even plastic bags they got the wrong idea.

[2:12 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Thanks for adding point Back to topic lah if not they say I anyhow say lol . Uncle never study much :)

[2:13 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Definitely this only!

[2:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi KL, good afternoon!

The Lewis Turning point (LTP), an economics concept of replacements of labor or can be birth rates, just for discussion....

This LTP is especially applicable to the Chinese population starting from the 1950s and into 2016.

It showed the turning point in 2016 and China's population growth is on the downward trajectory!

Simply, no more cheap labor and no more cheaper goods, going forward!

Thank you.

[2:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Can u tell me the 300,000 daily cross into sg are not cheap labour ?

[2:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: That close to 10% of local population

[2:22 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Cheap labor means the average wage is in the last 25th percentile of a developing country...

China cost per daily labor was US$1 (prior to it's entering into the WTO) and today is in the multiples of tens, if not in hundred...

SG is a developed economy, cheap labor becoming blurry and Harder to determine...

Thank you.

[2:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: So I guess mean u also can’t tell

[2:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Btw we talking about local not sure why u keep pulling in China ?

[2:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: More than… 

But factory bring in more Myanmar now

[2:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: They are even cheaper 😥

[2:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Wah. More cheaper

[2:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Thanks Ken if u don’t say we still in the dark

[2:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Err everywhere in the world is the same

[2:29 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Let's discuss SG...

To begin with, let's set the shape of things. That's the entire working population is a pyramid, the apex is the highest or among the higher income earners.

Second, the bottom is the baseline, aka the 10% of discussion and concern...

So through wage supplement and or skills upgrading, hopefully, this baseline will shrink and the bulk of it will be uplifted into the mid drift or towards the middle range of income earners.

How can we uplift our  bottom 10% at the same momentum not infringing into competitiveness?

Let's have a healthy and heart to heart discussion.

Thank you.

[2:29 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: The issue of cheaper will shift possibly every decade to a different country.

[2:29 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Even in Japan they use china labour

[2:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Cheap labour is required in any country… very unlikely to have full local not possible… 

There is always someone at the lower value chain

[2:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Ntuc is no more people supermarket 

It is a business profit organization only

[2:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Cost centers or profit centres or both?

[2:31 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Even insurance seller I saw non local

[2:31 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Omg

[2:31 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 😳😠🤨🤦‍♂️😞

[2:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If money is good… and they might not be foreigner… could be naturalised

[2:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Too bad

[2:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: The one pull people usually is non local.. lol face thicker 🤣

[2:33 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Even this reach WhatsApp group has foreigner issues also. I have a question. Why are PRs and foreigners invited to a group that are feeding back to Singaporean government policy?

Shouldn't this group be Singaporeans onlym

[2:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Oh there is in the group? 🤣

[2:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: I thought all Sgp here 😅

[2:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Got PR and Foreigner

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Exactly!?

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol… then they see true singaporean feedback 😂

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Barriers to Entry?

An economics term...

Trades and professions have their barrier to enter through certification.

So long as a candidate suffices these governing boards, entry is gained!

How to lift the barrier higher and give easier access to our locals?

Thank you.

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Actually, I have always wondered why we need so much labour for an industry like construction.

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: If u look at construction in places like Germany and japan

[2:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Haha cause local no one want to do

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: They use automation and much les works

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Workers

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Low paid and long hours

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: In hope that they too will voice their concerns or valid/good pointers...

Thank you

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Not everything can automate

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Then your cost of HDB won’t be so cheap Liao

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: I can answer this.

1) Little locals with the skills set and willingness.

2) can't replace everything with machinery. Still a lot of manual work required

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Ntuc FairPrice groceries are not broadly compatible with other supermarkets!

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Have we have one bangla just to wave a flag to control traffic

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: One lay pipe, one dig, 5 to eye power

[2:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: This one blame MOM. Their regulation

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: They will side step the issue!

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Ntuc buy most of their groceries prices are more expensive than other supermarkets

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Have a look at house construction in Germany and japan. Granted not exactly HDB but it's shocking to see how little labour their use

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Which type of jobs will locals be more willing to do?

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Local have the skill but don’t pay high enough and super long hours

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: One Bangalah to Wave flag to direct traffic, One to wave flag to direct the machine, One to supervise the lifting, one to clear the path under the lfting.

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Willing or not all depends on the wage

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Livable wage?

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: I have buddy that work there… 5am work till 6 pm lol

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: 3 to 4K only

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: And 6 days work week

[2:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Erm. Not true. I'm from the industry. Its about the same

[2:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: What is the minimum livable wage? For the individual or sole breadwinner of a household?

Thank you

[2:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Rebates too low!

[2:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Slightly less due to better machines, but not a lot less. Letsay we use 100 Bangalah. The Japs will use 80.

[2:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Err you should see how many foreign labour they have lol… china that can speak Japanese

[2:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: 😂😂

[2:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Or those homeless guy

[2:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: I go to big factories in Japan top MNC… trust me they are from china the hard labourers 😂

[2:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Frankly labour intensive ( construction etc ) okay but not even ops or insurance etc . Ai ya say do much nothing done for past 18 years

[2:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Waste Singaporean time

[2:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Construction not attractive for singaporean that’s for sure.. on-site operation is tough..

[2:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Certain jobs or industry must be protected or more exclusively to locals?

Is that so?

[2:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Ken, you got it!

Thanks for bringing up!

[2:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Yes… example oil and gas, Pharma production mainly singaporean

[2:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: With PWM, who knows!?

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 😳😁😄😃😀

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: This one MOM requirement hor =P

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Sub contractor mainly foreigner🤣

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Higher value jobs.

Thanks again, you got it!

So where are the cheap jobs aka cheaper laborous jobs?

Thank you, Ken!

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: O&G/Shipyards definitely local minority

[2:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: No skill or low skill lor…

[2:44 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Plug and play kind of job

[2:44 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: This is an area of concern for all of us...

How to uplift our locals?

Thank you

[2:44 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Logistic, gardening, construction just some

[2:45 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Automation how successful lol.. you go ask those in PSA lor.. 😂

[2:45 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Will these jobs DIE OFF over time and in come foreigners to these jobs?

[2:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Can we agree that...

Our locals tend to prefer higher wage jobs and jobs that have potential for future promotions, relevant and job security?

Thank you.

[2:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: The G keeps spouting this uplift local line.

I'd rather they protect our jobs more instead of asking us to do the fighting all the time.

Shouldnt the government look after it's citizens jobs instead of pushing us to fight and upgrade constantly?

I mean not that upgrading is not important, but the messaging is getting irritating.

[2:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Should follow gst 9% currently.

[2:51 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Upgrading skills can be a double edge sword...

One to justify pay increase and two, is to stay relevant to the changing requirements of the ecosystems of changes in the work and skillsets.

Three, is either you find your footing or you will foot the consequences!

Thank you, Andrew for bringing it up.

[2:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[2:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Low salary with pension (workfare)

Local said not enough cover cost.

[2:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Does it grow with inflation and cost of living!?

[2:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: 100% agree

[2:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: No wor 2014 I think aircraft chief engineer was non local ?

[2:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: No wor 2014 I think aircraft main engine , chief engineer was non local ?

[2:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Not surprising!

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: If now still non local . Understand it a restricted tech

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: :))

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: One successful story...

A security guard, our seniors, after upgrading his skills was promoted to supervisor.

One happiness to him!

Thank you.

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol how to fight in cost?

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.

A true story!

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Need to grow local talent!

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: You want local then you need to pay local price

[2:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Most heartening to know

[2:57 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: But MOM require local first placement employment then WP/SP

[2:57 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, let's identify where and which sectors to target and nuture our younger ones.

[2:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, but limited due to demand for jobs.

Thank you.

[2:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Then, they should not complain about foreign talent!

[2:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you.

There is HOPE! FIND IT!

[2:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Cos I think aircraft engine not transferable so I give the benefit of doubt . But it a well pay job

[2:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[2:59 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Complaint is another cheap trade!

[2:59 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yup

[2:59 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

REACH only for citizens only.

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: yah exactly - so how come got PR and Foreigner in this group?

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not that I am aware of.

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "If you want it badly, you strive for it and earn it...where is the will, there is hope!"

- - anonymity

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: They're keeping queit now but they voiced out before

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: during the arguement on GST

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: and housing

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: No PR!

[3:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: someone was defending PR's right to buy resale HDB

[3:01 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Is it?

I thought they are citizens or new citizens?

[3:01 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: one outright said foireigner. CECA i think

[3:01 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: one is malaysian PR

[3:02 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Ex foreigners or ex pr I guess.

[3:03 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "The best person for the job or otherwise anyone can try any jobs?"

- - anonymity

What is progressive and how about regression?

One is a positive signal and the other is full of regrets?

Thank you.

[3:03 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: nah - quite sure I didn't remember wrongly. =)

[3:05 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Best person.  Progressive has its limits.

[3:08 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: PR is like dual country 

can make money earn and buy resale apartments. One from HK have pension allowance every monthly while staying in Singapore.

[3:08 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: I think got lah . Normally they don’t put name one . I remeber got one saying about school want free school for PR . When I help sg ppl they 4 person attack me no one help me .

[3:09 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 😳😠🤨🤦‍♂️

[3:09 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: There's one what I always skirmish with

[3:09 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: I remeber is valentine day

[3:10 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Cos of sg policies me still single no money and become uncle . So was shock when they speak  for EP as well

[3:10 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: 😳

[3:11 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: U can see the conversation

[3:12 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Cos me don’t screen shot any conversation as it not right :)

[3:13 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: So yah - confirm not SG only here. =)

[3:15 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol

[3:15 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: How they even register…

[3:15 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Reach fail then

[3:16 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Is it true...

Younger managers have less tolerance towards older workers?

Some older workers are less willing to go for upgrading skills?

Older workers find it harder to land the next job especially losing one, now?

Thank you

[3:16 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Why we need to updgrade and mangers don’t ?

[3:16 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol you try migrate lor… not easy… I try also hard to get… 

To drop everything be 2nd class citizen till they get the benefit…

To me it is fair.

[3:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: And still can get in? 😂😂

[3:17 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Only Singapore NRIC can register.

Pr or foreigners IC cannot register.

[3:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Just excel copy and paste

[3:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Managers need to update too...or bye bye too!

Thank you.

Simply, the world has over 6 billions that are better educated since the 1980s....

Thank you, KL.

[3:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Likely didn’t do background check?

[3:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: can tell PR NIRC and SG NIRC apart?

[3:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Agree

[3:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: my malaysian PR colleagues IC number looks like a normal one

[3:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Can

[3:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: But I can’t share as I knew it by accident

[3:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: I am local singaporean.

I got to know a friend who married his wife is from HK. His wife likely to stay PR instead pink IC. Because she get pension every monthly.

[3:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: But since they are interested let them see how general public here feel lol

[3:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: I say wow so easy dual citizenship and PR

[3:19 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

NRIC number is unique.

Only Singaporean can have one.

[3:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Danny I think you need to see the chat on 14 feb

[3:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: PR's NRIC same same leh.

[3:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Btw pr will issue nric numbers

[3:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: I've colleagues who's number NRIC no looks like SG ones

[3:21 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: their pr number will turn to red

[3:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Older one is similar to ours

[3:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Only new ones are different.

[3:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If not wrong

[3:23 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: I'm more curious how did the Foreigner get in though

[3:24 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: there's one that outright said he's not Citizen, not PR

[3:24 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Good question!?🤨😠😳

[3:24 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: That day never help me , I thgt I become yue fei

[3:24 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Tag me next time =)

[3:26 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Or they key anyhow NIRC and still get in lol

[3:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Did gov think because of these open door create more single ?

[3:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: ?

[3:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Actually I have a essay but really lazy to write it cause the singles in sg

[3:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Related to foreigner meh?

[3:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Open door cause wages depress for guys and girls wage more etc causing imbalance

[3:28 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: In fact singles occur in well educated females and middle families boys

[3:29 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Err

[3:30 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Earn well or not really depends on your capabilities bah

[3:31 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: When u are fighting with few millions non local it do depress wages

[3:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Imagine if u put 1.4 billions workers into China economic do u think will explode ?

[3:32 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Is it true that...

Older workers/managers hanging on their usual ways when dealing with the younger and aspiring ones?

Respect, dignity and pride are important to older people?

Basics are crucial in everything knowns from the past to the present days, for without these basics there will be no breakthroughs and inventions - non existence?

Experience and exposure are two attributes to pass onto the next generation or all the above are not relevant, things have changed and many things are moving faster and further (that human forgetten the basics and the roots)?

Thank you.

[3:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol they will tell you they did their best.. not everyone can go up… that’s the fact

[3:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Even your Hr will shoot you why promote you… unless you can give value higher than your pay…

[3:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Loyalty don’t count lol

[3:35 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: How is the intensity and magnitude like working in China?

People to people competing to survive and or in hope to succeed?

Which pit do you choose to compete and or choose to be born into? 

Finally, each 20 years will bring about the unique opportunities and challenges!

When and where, two keys determinants of so called successful life?

Thank you.

[3:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: "Be a big fish in an ocean or A big fish in an enlarged pond...?"

- - anonymity

[3:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Are u saying puting 4-5 millions non local won’t cause a wage depress on local ?

[3:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: I think I need to go back study economics to see which rule say so .

[3:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Intensed competitions in a big economy like China...

Thank you.

[3:37 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: China local wage very cheap

[3:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: I thgt some one say China not cheap labour anymore ?

[3:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: But China government give local pension

[3:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Depress wage model happens when an economy is at the decline and or it's key industries are non competitive to the nearest three competing nations.

Three is enough for comparison.

Thank you.

[3:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Then now do they do it there ? I don't see huge amounts of foreign workers in Japan and Germany

[3:39 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Then and not so today.

Thank you.

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: How much a crane driver earn in guangxi? I think ard cny 6000 same as office worker . Cheap or not I not sure

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Generation gap not closing!?

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Local and imported. No idea about Germany but there's Chinese workforce in Japan.

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Actually , I think if these wages pay a livable wage

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Locals will do

[3:40 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Japan is a unique culture of exclusivity!

From the era of Meiji onward... however Japan of tomorrow needs foreign workers though they decline PR or citizenship!

Thank you.

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: If u have no choice

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Not to scale as us mah

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: So how they plug the gap

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: 80%. Roughly.

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: That's why I say the efficiency of automation part

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Might be the diff

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Their requirements are somewhat different

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: We build in concrete. They build in wood

[3:41 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Mostly

[3:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Less urban renewal for high-rise

[3:42 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Automation - somewhat. More of small scale machinery.

[3:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: Still very manual. A lot of smaller machines though. But mostly not compatible with SGs workplace needs.

[3:44 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: China no longer consider low cost centre

[3:44 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: They are consider as labour hub… if you need large number of engineers or professionals… you can source within the country

[3:45 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Which not many countries have the supply chain and the scaling

[3:45 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Singapore need so many talent overseas cause it is hard to find… for every industry… you can’t have talent overnight.. it takes time to build

[3:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I have German friends who actually build their house themselves . Just 5 pple but they do get in certain specialist to do the electrical and piping

[3:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: But then again, it's a landed house and not hdb

[3:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: They stay long hour work.

Japan and Korean most worker stay long hours.

[3:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Was amazed how he could do it themselvds

[3:46 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Can the government entice them to return!?

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Plus after hours for office workers lol

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: I would like to do that!

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Japan rush hour traffics

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: As long as our pay is high enough.. plus strong currency

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If ringgit drop to same as SGD you think Malaysian will come meh

[3:47 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Same pay

[3:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Hope they are working on this!?

[3:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Nope

[3:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: I shot this  perviously and some malaysian PR here said that this was racist. lol

[3:49 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: like if not for the money why else are they here

[3:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: This is just fact mah… if not for the strong currency who will travel so far to work?

[3:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If given a choice you work at your home country

[3:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: No-one

[3:51 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[3:51 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If Malaysia pay 3 times.. I also will travel there to work

[3:51 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: No questions ask

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Travel 2 hours to Jurong island Liao

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Definitely

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: Malaysia is high crime

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: This one is fact. All my Malaysian friends say this . Plus lack of opportunity in Malaysia so it's still a ricebowl issue

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Buah tahan!

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Pro and con

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yup

[3:52 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: I join you across the pond in a few months 🤪

[3:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +KL: Frankly they enjoying free national defence  when earning 3 times

[3:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: 3 times income… still nearby… give and take

[3:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Lol PSA?

[3:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Not as bad lah. I think Singapore is exception. If u compare with other places, maallaysia actually quite ok

[3:54 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Yup… of course Singapore a bit better if not they won’t have come here..

[3:54 pm, 27/03/2023] +Frankie Wee: All you need a own a car travel to Malaysia

[3:54 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: 🤣 other direction. The lagi ulu direction.

[3:54 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Bukom arh?

[3:54 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I won't say it's bad till it's a push factor

[3:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I go Malaysia quite a lot

[3:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Safer than last time

[3:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Imo

[3:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: If the HSR is done.. is good that more talent can move around…

[3:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Haha but the delay is really haiz

[3:56 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: The issue of quality law enforcement, judiciary and civil service leaves much to be desired including action customs and immigration officers!

[3:58 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Of course room for improvement lah

[3:59 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: I was stuck in the epic jam during school holiday 🤣

[4:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Wait long long!

[4:01 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: Lol

[4:01 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: U ex Malaysian ah

[4:01 pm, 27/03/2023] +Fulgrim: 🤣

[4:15 pm, 27/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: And connections too

[4:15 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: That is a must for higher level.. 

I still very noob at that haiz

[4:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: To get a job at basic level haha

[4:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Also

[4:31 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Luck?

[4:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Giving special preferential treatments to our local workers regardless of skills, from 50 years and onwards?

To protect their rice bowls?

Thank you.

[4:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Private to Public.

[4:36 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: basic survival law?

基本生存法?

[4:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: I believe something is in the works for this.

[4:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

On 23 Mar 2023, more than 200 employers, HR professionals and workers participated in a dialogue on Workplace Fairness. This dialogue is part of ongoing engagements by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness, which released an interim report on 13 Feb 2023, containing 20 recommendations for the proposed Bill to protect workers against biases on nationality, age and others, as well as new penalties on errant employers. A range of issues such as special arrangements, outsourcing, misunderstanding on discrimination and how to avoid them were discussed at the dialogue. 

💬 *What are your views on the impending enactment of Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL)? What more can be done to protect workers against discrimination and uphold fairne…

[5:15 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Rising rents hit European businesses in Singapore, cause anxiety among employees"

 https://www.straitstimes.com/business/rising-rents-hit-european-businesses-in-singapore-cause-anxiety-among-employees#:~:text=Rising%20rents%20hit%20European%20businesses%20in%20Singapore%2C%20cause%20anxiety%20among%20employees

[5:17 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Ripple effects

[5:18 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Three Concerns:

Lives, Livelihoods, Inflations

Thank you.

[5:19 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Yes

[5:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Work this equation backwards, you will see the dynamics!

Thank you.

[5:20 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Not just European.. in general the higher rent are making hard for them expat to stay in Singapore

[5:22 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Going back to the equation....

Building capacity from public goods,  if one country is readying itself for headcount growth?

Not enough infrastructure will further add to the existing structures!

Thank you, Ken!

[5:24 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Rising rental cost, higher operational costs were found to be rising salaries and increased costs of renting business spaces - business contemplating moving operations out of Singapore.

Local workers may lose their jobs.

[5:25 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you, Danny!

[5:27 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Just to ride over this "perfect storm" in the making....?

Accepting lower wages across all sectors? Doable or not?

Let's remember the 3 concerns...

[5:29 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Maybe it is time for government to convert some old HDB flats as dorm for these foreigners at rent them at cheaper rental - to dissuade foreign business from moving out and persuade foreign workers to rent such government flats at a cheaper rate.

This will help to save local jobs.

[5:34 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: Town council as the intermediary and agent for these rental flats?

$800/room for 2 pax and no more than 6 persons per three rooms flat? Including utilities?

Any hickups/unhappy from the public?

Thank you.

[5:43 pm, 27/03/2023] +Ken: Yah… that’s the worry

[5:48 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Illegal sub letting still a major issue.

[5:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: That's a Policy issue, easy to address and straighten.

Thank you, Andrew!

[5:53 pm, 27/03/2023] +TD: This is already being done?

there was a cluster of these Rentals along bedok south.

Not sure if the rentals along North Bridge road are catered for FT as well

[5:55 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

I believe these are pmets.

They could have higher expectations.

[5:55 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus govt need to reach out to them to find out a workable solutions.

[5:59 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: https://stats.mom.gov.sg/Pages/Labour-Force-In-Singapore-2022.aspx

[5:59 pm, 27/03/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Good dialogue. All depends company CEO

[6:03 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/press-releases/2023/0327-launch-of-comprehensive-labour-force-survey-2023

[6:26 pm, 27/03/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

On 23 Mar 2023, more than 200 employers, HR professionals and workers participated in a dialogue on Workplace Fairness. This dialogue is part of ongoing engagements by the Tripartite Committee on Workplace Fairness, which released an interim report on 13 Feb 2023, containing 20 recommendations for the proposed Bill to protect workers against biases on nationality, age and others, as well as new penalties on errant employers. A range of issues such as special arrangements, outsourcing, misunderstanding on discrimination and how to avoid them were discussed at the dialogue. 

💬 *What are your views on the impending enactment of Workplace Fairness Legislation (WFL)? What more can be done to protect workers against discrimination and uphold fairne…

[6:37 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

High rental not sustainable. 

Many condos and flats will be completed this year. 

It will douse the rise. I randomly checked on to-be completed new condo early this year.

 1000+ units, but more than 500 put up on sale or rental. 

It may be a sample point but it does say people are not short of space. 

Plus WFH is over for most people.

[6:38 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Landlords only have a small window of opportunity before the curtains fall on their exorbitant rents!

[6:38 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Exactly.

[6:43 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

Also checked the rental listings on property site around Oct last year.

 Pick on a heartland mrt 1km radius, rental listings hover around 20-40. 

Now same 1 km radius mrt, 100 rental listings. 

Landlords have to blink first or leave their property empty

[6:44 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

Don't think we need knee jerk reaction, just need property agencies to give their fair judgement to calm the market.

[6:45 pm, 27/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:50 pm, 27/03/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

To be fair, landlords who need to rely on rental will have to increase rents to fight rise in interest rates. So the rental market will find it's equilibrium.

[6:50 pm, 27/03/2023] +Rama: Understand

[6:55 pm, 27/03/2023] +Smiley face: 27 March, 2023

"Hope is like an aim, a target and a vision of success and positivity,...Finite is a game of loser and winner?"

- - anonymity

Infinity or Finity?

Do you loves your country, loves your family and loved ones, loves your job and do you like what you are and what you are currently doing? Human are emotional beings; love and like, out of love and dislike others are mental choices that were formed from past experiences and exposures.

Most often mankind think they are finite specie so much so that the psychology of the minds tend to circulate under the assumption of a fixed timeline of happenings and limitations of a person's abilities. It is true that each human abilities with the least nurturing/interventions are defined right from birth to d…

[7:00 pm, 27/03/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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