REACH 545 - What are your thoughts on the support measures for mid-career workers and ITE graduates? What more can the Government do to continue ensuring multiple pathways to success?
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04 Mar 2024 (10am - 7pm)
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4/3/24, 10:01 am - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
During the Parliament sitting on Friday (1 Mar), Minister Chan Chun Sing provided more details on support measures for ITE students and mid-career workers originally announced by Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) Lawrence Wong in his Budget Speech last month on 16 February.
ITE graduates aged 30 and below will receive financial incentives of up to $15,000 to pursue a diploma and secure better career progression prospects, while Singaporeans aged 40 and above will receive a S$4,000 Skillsfuture Credits top-up and subsidies to pursue a second full-time diploma.
π¬ *What are your thoughts on the support measures for mid-career workers and ITE graduates? What more can the Government do to continue ensuring multiple pathways to success?*
During the debate in Parliament on Friday (1 Mar), Minister Chan emphasised that there is a lifetime for individuals to find their purpose and calling, and to pursue them in different seasons of life. He also clarified that Singaporeans will each receive $300,000 or more in subsidised school fees and government support across their lives.
π *Support measures for ITE graduates*
On support for ITE graduates, Minister Chan said that around $200,000 is invested in each student up to the secondary school level, and that an ITE student receives about $70,000 in subsidies for a Nitec and Higher Nitec qualification. The Government will invest more in them, said Minister Chan.
With the new ITE Progression Award (IPA), ITE graduates aged 30 and below will get $5,000 in their Post-Secondary Education Account when they enrol in a diploma programme, and $10,000 in their Central Provident Fund (CPF) Ordinary Account when they complete the diploma.
More than 7,000 ITE graduates are expected to enrol in an eligible diploma each year, said the Ministry of Education (MOE).
“The IPA is expected to cost about $105 million per year, which could grow if the take-up is higher,” it said. As a one-off arrangement, the IPA will be given to those currently in a diploma programme, and to those aged 31 who plan to enrol in 2024, the ministry said.
π *Support measures for mid-career workers*
DPM Wong announced that Singaporeans aged 40 and above will receive a S$4,000 Skillsfuture Credit top-up in May. Younger Singaporeans will receive the same amount when they turn 40.
Those who enrol in selected full-time courses will also receive monthly training allowances equivalent to 50 per cent of their average income over the most recent available 12-month period, capped at S$3,000 a month.
Speaking on the rationale for these support measures for mid-career workers, Minister Chan said that Singaporeans aged 40 and above who have left school for a longer period need a more substantial skills reboot.
“Many in this group recognise the importance of lifelong learning and want to build career resilience through reskilling and upskilling,” he added.
“However, due to financial and other commitments, the course fees and potential loss of income during full-time training can hold them back.”
ππ» https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/more-support-for-mid-career-workers-ite-graduates-as-part-of-govt-s-300k-lifetime-investment-in-each-s-porean-student
ππ» https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/skillsfuture-top-4000-7000-courses-mid-career-workers-4163526
ππ»https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ite-graduates-cpf-top-10000-extension-diploma-polytechnic-4163546
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4/3/24, 10:06 am - +SL: Great, govt gives Singaporeans the financial support and opportunity to pursue the skills required in this dynamic world. Min Chan π
4/3/24, 10:27 am - +KL: If u need SGD 70,000 to study a nitec , I advise u all better close it down . It not economic sense. The student need real fishing rod not a paper fishing rod . It a waste of time for the student and a waste of money to taxpayers. <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 10:27 am - +KL: Time are very precious
4/3/24, 10:28 am - +KL: The way the influx of workers and ns really comsume too much time
4/3/24, 10:29 am - +KL: Those rich one if Kanna sure sent kids aboard cos
4/3/24, 10:33 am - +KL: If really spent SGD 200,000 why not allow ppl to jump grade ? <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 10:33 am - +KL: I think last time can jump grade right meaning if u do well in p1 u can go p3 etc
4/3/24, 10:39 am - +Smiley face: Borrowed time...
4/3/24, 10:39 am - +KL: May I ask how to borrow ?
4/3/24, 10:39 am - +Frankie Wee: Diploma in toilet $4k π
4/3/24, 10:39 am - +KL: What that ?
4/3/24, 10:39 am - +Smiley face: Choices and the question of dependency...
4/3/24, 10:40 am - +Smiley face: Still obligated to serve NS.... however if one chooses to evade this duty then the consequences will handle such lapses...?
4/3/24, 10:41 am - +Smiley face: The idea of optimising and utilising resources to the Best use and the betterment of outcomes...
4/3/24, 10:42 am - +KL: What if the person have 2 citizenship or have an additional PR ?
4/3/24, 10:42 am - +Smiley face: Only if Proven beyond the benefit of doubts...
4/3/24, 10:42 am - +KL: Than the 200,000 is not well spent dear
4/3/24, 10:43 am - +KL: Should implement if rat on one each one how much the person get :)) <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 10:43 am - +Smiley face: That is called Loopholes and loopholes always exist,. The next question is how to seal these lobang and just how much we need to apprehend these behaviors? Benefit is the key....
4/3/24, 10:44 am - +KL: That not my job
4/3/24, 10:44 am - +KL: Unless paid
4/3/24, 10:44 am - +KL: Haha
4/3/24, 10:44 am - +KL: It not hard to catch
4/3/24, 10:44 am - +KL: Esp u have the power
4/3/24, 10:45 am - +KL: Just maybe most turn a wildfully blind eye due to some reason <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 10:45 am - +Smiley face: Not easy to identify exceptional and gifted individuals....
What if talents surface all over the Spectrum of Society at various age groups! The concept of Randomness and the random walk in life?
4/3/24, 10:50 am - +Smiley face: "BE A ONE IN A MILLION YOU! Or amongst the Many Millions and BIillion You?
Let YOURSELF be an EXCEPTIONAL HUMAN OF MANY GOOD EXPERIENCES!"
-- anonymity
YOU?
You can be a baker, you are working at a cafe or you are the manager of a restaurant....
Be the 1,000 exceptional Baker, Worker and Manager!
Or be the Best baker, worker or manager of this KOPI SHOP!
Or be among the exceptional workers at your MNEs or the smallest business unit?
ATTITUDES matter most over others intangibles and of all costs and causes; compensation is one driver of feeling equal?
4/3/24, 10:53 am - +KL: So for one best baker u sacrifice 999 baker ? <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 10:53 am - +Smiley face: Through the rigours and failures, we achieve many little successes or small daily breakthroughs that will add up to exceptional outcomes.
And all of these exceptional outcomes will yield excellence in your present life station and into the next and the following next and so on till you call it a Quit...
4/3/24, 10:55 am - +Smiley face: What do you wish to do with your borrowed time!
You think flatly, or you can choose to blame the fortune teller or you can blame others and the competing kopishop for making your life harder or?...
4/3/24, 10:58 am - +Smiley face: What can you make just ONE NEW difference to the next kopi boss?
Attitude given the same price you are charging your daily customers!
Where are the chances to connect and to convert customers to come and come and come and buy more regardless of rain or shine? After all, they need to eat!
4/3/24, 10:59 am - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: If I am stay employee longer when I am not match this course and $4k will have nothing get benefit
4/3/24, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 11:00 am - +Smiley face: Its time to move on....why?
Perhaps, you have outgrown your roles at this shop?
Or you die die stay put!
4/3/24, 11:01 am - +Frankie Wee: Support to learn Ai
4/3/24, 11:01 am - +Smiley face: 7,000 opportunities Open up ...so let's delve into ALL?
4/3/24, 11:01 am - +KL: Unless I know him , if not I don’t think it 100 % true, <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 11:01 am - +Smiley face: Yes, either you know or you don't know at all ...then comes the reality of ...!"
4/3/24, 11:02 am - +Frankie Wee: Because he can’t challenge PhD and MBA who are looking for high level and equally pay
4/3/24, 11:02 am - +Smiley face: Have the stomach to change and be Curious with YOURSELF to learn the unknown....by learning you know and thereafter please KNOW MORE !
4/3/24, 11:03 am - +Frankie Wee: I believe not impression 7,000 course my match
4/3/24, 11:03 am - +Smiley face: Hungry to learn, hungry to outperform at your workstation, hungry for a better tomorrow. And today is tomorrow coming!
4/3/24, 11:03 am - +Thank You: 2 citizenships for 2 countries and another PR for another country π±
4/3/24, 11:04 am - +Frankie Wee: Dual citizenship not allow in sg
4/3/24, 11:04 am - +Smiley face: There will be a few that suits you!...unless our Skillsfuture did not look harder in providing more relevant needs than wantings....?
4/3/24, 11:04 am - +Smiley face: Yes ..
4/3/24, 11:04 am - +Smiley face: How about other nations too? Any idea to list a few just to enlighten all of us....?
4/3/24, 11:05 am - +KL: I that I say earlier in the chat
4/3/24, 11:05 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore is too strictly law who wish to have a dual citizenship other countries
In USA allow dual
4/3/24, 11:05 am - +Frankie Wee: Dual citizenship can make you richer
4/3/24, 11:07 am - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 11:08 am - +Smiley face: USA immigration policy is based on the idea of FREEDOM....
4/3/24, 11:08 am - +Frankie Wee: I heard Japan will revoke PR if they never pay tax or overdue
4/3/24, 11:08 am - +Smiley face: Circumvent lor.....
4/3/24, 11:08 am - +Smiley face: Why ?
4/3/24, 11:09 am - +Frankie Wee: Because they live residents house they got abandoned by someone unpaid
4/3/24, 11:11 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/japan-has-millions-of-empty-houses-want-to-buy-one-for-33k
4/3/24, 11:14 am - +Smiley face: When you are a migrate worker, best that you rent nearer to the city...why increase the complexity to oneself or nothing better to challenge yourself UNLESS you are thinking of staying longer, it means 10 years or longer!
So why?
4/3/24, 11:14 am - +Smiley face: Bad behaviors, no Humankind will tolerate!
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4/3/24, 11:16 am - +Smiley face: Why and what is so important about this Coupon? (not referring to CDC vouchers ..)
4/3/24, 11:17 am - +Smiley face: This message was deleted
4/3/24, 11:43 am - +REACH: Dear contributors,
Please be reminded to keep to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Thank you.
Megan
4/3/24, 12:09 pm - +Smiley face: Our government is giving so much incentives and rewards for our workers to upgrade and to continue learning new future skills. it is correct and its to secure our livelihoods.
Any unintended consequences?
4/3/24, 12:32 pm - +Rose M K Ho: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 12:36 pm - +Rose M K Ho: I think the gov is alredi doing more than enuff to incentivise our workers to upskill & now encouraging younger ones to go for their dreams.
4/3/24, 12:44 pm - +Rose M K Ho: But there's still work to be done with regard to us Seniors, who hv rcv the grant but cannot use it becoz the offerings of courses r all targeted at career / upskilling those still working!!!
Wat abt those of us who r no longer working?
Having courses yo _upgrade_ our knowledge is also considered as "upskilling" , no? To help us keep up w the times and not be so "blur" ...
Courses on improving mental agility like calligraphy, painting, flower arrangement, batik painting, pottery making ... for the aesthetics & to keep our minds active -- after all, wat is all the hype on mental health if u dun provide _proactive_ means to those who need it?
Courses on AI, using it in our daily lives, organising group projects to use AI, etc., not just in text, but also in imaging ... help us to remain relevant in this new technological world tt we continue to live in ...
So, Gov ... do look into these types of courses for us Seniors ...
And while u take yr time, pls also consider how u can make us aware tt u hv such courses (no need to pay after subsidy)
And extend the expiry deadline of the 1st batch of grant in order tt we can use it.
Tq.
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4/3/24, 2:00 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
4/3/24, 2:41 pm - +Smiley face: What areas are critical to learn in the Digitisation Process so that our workers are able to match the newly learned skills into use at the workplace? Hopefully to raise the overall productivity of the company.
So what are the necessary new skills to learn and new digital knowledge to learn and for who to learn?
It's about skills leveling and skills distribution within the changing and challenging digital environment....
4/3/24, 3:13 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
*ITE graduates*
1. First, will try to address the pathway of success for ITE graduates.
2. I feel that ITE graduates are make up of 2 groups.
a. Late boomers but academically inclined.
- This is the group of ITE graduates who don't do well in their primary and secondary schools in their early years of education as they are unable to concentrate in their studies.
- However, as they progress in life or they come out early to work, their inclination and motivation to upgrade their knowledge and skillsets become more and more intense.
- Hence, up to 30 years for this group of ITE graduates with up to $15,000 to upgrade their ITE graduates to a diploma course -- will be a pathway success for this group of ITE graduates - as a diploma graduate will fetch a higher salary (> $3,000) starting pay. This will ensure a better life for the ITE graduates and their family members.
- I recall I met an ITE graduate who went on to take a Poly course, won a gold medal and went on to do a university course in NTU and graduate with a 1st class honour --- a late bloomer - and succeed through the ITE-Diploma-University route.
- I also encounter a few ITE graduates who went on to do diploma courses and graduate with a diploma - and see an increase in their salaries --- a multiple pathway of success.
- Hence, this new initiative by the Education Minister Chan Chun Sing - to provide a pathway for ITE graduates to upgrade themselves and a higher pay job - is a commendable efforts to uplift some of the ITE graduates.
b. Non-academically inclined and prefer hands-on jobs.
- However, there is another ITE graduate group that are not academically inclined - and no matter what, will not be to exploit the academically inclined courses to uplift their career prospect that are knowledge based.
- This group of ITE graduates are mainly "hands-on inclined" - and studies will be a big headache for them.
- Hence, MOE will have to work with the industries - what type of "hands-on" career are needed by the industries and tailor "hands-on" courses to this group of ITE graduates that will also bring about higher salaries to them.
- I am not sure what "hands-on" courses will be a successful pathways that will help to uplift the income of this group of ITE graduates, probably :
i. Lift mechanics
ii. Chef, bakeries
iii. Sales
iv. Plumbers
v. Electricians
vi. Mechanics
etc.
3. Venturing a guess, and as discuss with my private groups, I was told that many unhappy people are the ITE graduates - who feel that they are neglected by the government in their career pathway to success.
Common complains are, their salaries are usually low, very little opportunities to progress in their careers, everything also expensive, low salaries cannot cope with cost of living, Ministers salaries so high while their salaries so low, etc.
And we conclude that the majority of the 30% that often vote against the Government - could have come from this group.
4. Hence I feel that if the Government successfully tackle the common woes and complains coming from the ITE groups - by helping them to uplift themselves in their skillsets, knowledge and education, they will be able to get higher pay jobs - and catch up with the rest of the population in income status and improve their lives and their families members lives..
Then the constant 30% opposing voices will be loosen - and will likely to change their heart and support the Government.
4/3/24, 3:14 pm - +Murphy Choy: AI and good use of digital tools to remove productivity bottlenecks is very important.
4/3/24, 3:19 pm - +Smiley face: Compensation, aka salary
Job Satisfaction & Job Security & Job Prospective
These are the common ground of all categories of workers from the hands-on to the thinkers!
4/3/24, 3:39 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
*Middle career workers*
1. Most University graduates and Diploma graduates will have ready, up-to-date and marketable skills that the industry want - when they go into the career market at late 20s and 30s.
2. However, mid-career workers in their 40s, 50s and 60s - will be in the industries for a long time and their skillsets from the time they graduates will be slowly detached - as disruptors tech, AI will make their skills less relevant - unless they upgrade themselves.
3. Hence targeting these mid-career workers with Skillfuture credits + subsidising them with montly training allowance as they go for courses to upgrade themselves with a 2nd full time diploma or graduate diploma - will be timely to ensure they get a new relevant skills and knowledge to continue their career with their current companies that have transformed their business or join another new companies that require their new skillsets.
This will ensure local mid-career workers will have the up-to-date skillsets and knowledge to ensure continuous employment to feed themselves and their families - and not lose their jobs due to structural unemployment due to skill obsolence or sunset industries.
4. But I suspect there will be some hit in the income - as mid-career workers change job or do job conversion - as their new jobs will not be commensurate with the high income they fetch from their old jobs.
Hence, Government, Organisations will need to help Workers manage their expectations - if indeed a change in jobs which demand new skills result in drop in their salaries - as their contribution will need times to ramp up to most productive level like in their old jobs.
5. But a good thing is that, mid-career workers will ensure a continuous career and have income to feed themselves and their families - and not lose their jobs without income due to structural unemployment.
4/3/24, 3:52 pm - +Smiley face: What is the appropriate timing to commence and the correct course and after the completion of the courses such as a new diploma or a degree etc....what changes in the industry be?
Fact is not all jobs will be affected by digitisation, Perhaps in proportion to workers or businesses will have to transform quicker than others.
The goodness out of reskilling or upskilling is to stay competitive and relevant at work and hopefully raise the productivity after all these trainings and upgrading of knowledge into new ones.
How will the public and businesses react to these matters?
4/3/24, 3:56 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. My take on the objectives and purpose of Skillsfuture credit - should be clearly define - to ensure population understand what is the real purpose of Skillsfuture credit.
2. Is Skillsfuture credit meant for every citizens to take any courses they want (even for some to the point of frivolous reason) just because the money is free -- or for the sole purpose of ensuring local workers to train, upgrade or uplift themselves in the course of their career - to ensure every local workers can ensure a continuous career or jobs (with minimal disruption) - so that they can feed themselves and their families?
3. I have come across quite a number of local workers and families whereby their solebread winners were retrenched or lose their jobs - and can see the desperation to secure a new jobs - so that they can feed themselves and their families. I can feel their desperation.
Hence, I am of the opinion that Skillsfuture Credits should be solely allocated for local workers to secure jobs - through training and courses to land them a job.
4. Money is always not enough (like DPM Lawrence Wong in yesterday Channel 8 forum - when he say that I am worried that people called him "Money God" because Money is always not enough - and he can't do magic to produce money with a magic wand.
Hence, I am of the opinion that there is a need to prioritise and put money that make the difference. This will put less stress and burden on the Government in planning the annual fiscal budget to find money or raise taxes unnecessarily.
Ensuring our local workers to secure a long term jobs to feed themselves and their families should be the 1st priority.
5. Many retirees will no longer require to attend courses and upgrade themselves as they are no longer in the workforce. Hence, the skillfuture credits should be allowed to lapse and redistribute to those local workers who need the fund to reskill and upskill to feed themselves and their families - thus relieving the financial stress from the Government to look for more money or raise taxes unnecessarily.
4/3/24, 4:00 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
4/3/24, 4:12 pm - +Smiley face: This message was deleted
4/3/24, 4:17 pm - +Smiley face: At the end of the day,
Workers or people are looking for stable income or it doesn't matter if they hop from one job to the next job. It's the maintenance of family and or self
Second, how to encourage as many adults of working age especially those in the late 30s to 50s to undergo skills updating or up their certification to another level?
Money alone may not entice more than the government is expecting to convert and to turnover a new cohort of workers in preparing for tomorrow's digital requirements.
It must consider the vast majority of different needs and wants and their circumstances of embarking to upskill or to reskill. These workers very well know and they are aware of the government's good intentions.
Fact is many many do not know the ways to do it or their employers are just like them, don't know where and how to begin all of these initiatives.
So for our Policy to work even more effectively, we have to spell the details of courses, subsidies and approvals & applications processes.
Simply, let's attempt to summerise and recommend and highlight those interesting and highly recommended courses to our workers and the employers.
It needs to be level and distributed according to each industry and requirements.
And you might find workers or bosses asking "where is the benefit or why hurry to do it?". That may be the real ground talking ?
4/3/24, 4:20 pm - +Redzuan: It is all good when citizens are given support to be relavant to the society but are we doing real justice here?
More so for those 40 and above. By now, maybe they will at least be a skilled worker who can be earning 4-5k. Offering them just 4K to top up a full-time diploma is not very ideal.
An opportunity to reskill n take a new diploma is very enticing but mind you diploma is not a 3 day course. its at least 2 or 3 years. . Can he feed his family with that reduced income throughout the years? How about if they have children? When they graduate, they are going to be considered as a fresh graduate with zero experience. So they lose relavance for not working for 2-3 years, when they graduate, salary will peg with those young ones who also just graduate. So you think any of them above 40 will be enticed to take this up? Also what are the diplomas that will be eligible for subsidy? Which are the ones that will give salary support and how much? We dont know these yet.
Also, ever since the govt came up with this , suddenly so many advertisements seen on social media platforms. Asking ppl to sign up for gardening / baking / financial courses starts to sprout like weeds. How are the citizens to know which one to take and more importantly how is the govt going to reach its goal of having a skilled workforce to meet singapore's demand?
I would think that the culture of reskilling should start from young too. Not just tell them to get to a certain grade.
4/3/24, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Imagine the unhappiness of raising GST, property tax and other taxes among the population to raise revenue for the Government to fund many government expenditures, cost-of-living vouchers, healthcare, education, defense, security, rising sea level due to warming climate ($100 billion) and social spendings for the population.
Money should be well spend and not wasted for frivolous means - else the tax burden on the population will be unbearable.
2. Money don't drop from the sky, and hence money got to be well spent and bring about positive outcomes to the population.
3. SkillsFuture Credits are not free money so anyhow spend even to the point of frivolous reasons.
Hence SkillfsFuture Credits objective have to be clearly spelt out - solely for local workers to attend course to land them jobs if they are retrenched or cannot find jobs - due to skill obsolence or business transformation.
4. Hence, I support those unused Skillsfuture credits for those people who don't need it to land jobs to lapse and recycle for those for need it.
4/3/24, 4:23 pm - +Redzuan: Also, whats stopping those on the full time diploma to take on part time jobs? The money part will never be enough when u have a family to feed. And when its not enough, you'll drop out. Which is more useless imo.
4/3/24, 4:24 pm - +KL: I think maybe some data was more. Macro that we can’t see like too many singles. <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 4:25 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Attend full time diploma course - got monthly training allowance - up to 50% of monthly income. <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 4:26 pm - +Redzuan: Enough meh. If salary 6k. Now u get 3k. Family of 4-6.
4/3/24, 4:26 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 4:26 pm - +Redzuan: If 6k.. if now 3k.. its 1.5k leg bring back
4/3/24, 4:27 pm - +Smiley face: It entails personal choice.... sacrifices and time to embark on courses....?
4/3/24, 4:27 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
If retrenched, monthly allowance is better than nothing.
Those who don't wish to train, no need to train - probably until one lose their job.
It is a judgement call.
4/3/24, 4:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: Total true so far from previous really hard to accepted and employed. Put everything behind the past and do the best for future generations
4/3/24, 4:29 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I have seen mid career workers doing this.
When ask them to go training, they give the same excuses.
After they lose their jobs, they plead for training and training allowance.
4/3/24, 4:29 pm - +Smiley face: Supplement loss of income will incur more funding...
Might as well wait to be retrenched?
Both are options, call or stay put!
4/3/24, 4:30 pm - ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That is why it is a judgement call for individuals.
They have to make their own judgement.
4/3/24, 4:31 pm - +Smiley face: The idea of a thinking worker?
4/3/24, 4:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: There is no limit at age and stay healthy when they employed them replacement older worker
4/3/24, 4:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Look like I have to work till 81
4/3/24, 4:32 pm - +KL: I think not so easy to put down or resolve the justice from EM3 / Em 2 ( early 90s, 2014 influx of workers , till 2020 etc. I afraid will / already embroil into a next issue <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 4:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: I wish Ai will be my assist <This message was edited>
4/3/24, 4:33 pm - +Smiley face: What if in a unique situation, 20% retrenched and 80% entrenched?
How?
4/3/24, 4:34 pm - +Smiley face: You will receive the help sooner.....
4/3/24, 4:43 pm - +Frankie Wee: The future generations will have emission reduction from air pollution.
EV vs hydrogen
4/3/24, 4:44 pm - +Frankie Wee: Economy will growth more gain created job and innovation Ai
4/3/24, 4:45 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, more opportunities...
4/3/24, 4:47 pm - +Smiley face: 4 March, 2024
"The Dividend of Individual"
"The most important is....The perspective of any individual human being and Human Capital"
-- anonymity
Personal roadmap:
The circle or in this core is you and the five main dividends (Draw and Visualize; in five different directions pointing out of the core):
? = maybe, random
. = choices and decisions
-- = doubt, unknown
: = predetermined
! = affirmation
Preliminary analysis?
The five attributes and corresponding meanings of the above five dividend, how to succeed and minimising failure, or facing random failures and feeling unlucky?
Is it a zero sum or an even sum of results or does it make all results random?
On the backdrop of digitisation, the incentives and rewards set by government is a roadmap for our fourth generations and beyond. The idea of continuous learning is profoundly a game changer in facing future changes and transformation from our existing knowledge and skills and transit into the next realm of a digital knowledge and new skillsets whereby the requirements of today doings will be changed and different ways of doings from the school to the workplace.
Those who enable themselves to learn and to adapt to new ways of doings will thrive better than those who find it more challenging to cope with changes not only at the workplace but the daily lives and livelihoods. In short, there will be roadblocks given an existing roadmap; to be able to re-route and finding new ways out of the blockage and reaps the benefit of reaching the intermittent stopovers and the digital destination as planned in the map.
Whenever any changes or transformation occurs, it will not be an easy path ahead and individuals must embrace and have mindsets of positive attitude in facing changes and challenges....
4/3/24, 5:52 pm - +Rama: https://mothership.sg/2024/03/retirement-age-increase-2026/
4/3/24, 5:54 pm - +Smiley face: 63-68
64-69
65-70
Ah Hah !
4/3/24, 5:54 pm - +Rama: Yes!
4/3/24, 5:55 pm - +Smiley face: How do you see the three matrices of livelihoods?
4/3/24, 5:56 pm - +Rama: With my walking stick bending over to the max going to work! Hope government doesn't shift the draw down age for cpf life too!
4/3/24, 5:57 pm - +Smiley face: Do you think of using a personal mobile vehicle to move around, better mobility?
4/3/24, 5:57 pm - +Rama: Depending on the current discussions on changes!
4/3/24, 5:59 pm - +Smiley face: Ok, let's talk deeper on these matrices...
From the view of the Employer?
From a Workers perspective?
How will it impact and reactions to the two?
4/3/24, 5:59 pm - +Rama: Will employers be receptive to elderly coming to work riding PMD/PMA!?
4/3/24, 6:02 pm - +Smiley face: Will it be Assesible into the office and public tpt during peak hours?
or WFM 70:30 ratio or ?
4/3/24, 6:02 pm - +Rama: Need further deliberation between all concerned parties
4/3/24, 6:02 pm - +Smiley face: What will be the dividends from the Employer perspective and the Workers who don't really have the bargaining chip?
4/3/24, 6:03 pm - +Rama: SNEF/SME/various chamber of commerce to provide inputs.
4/3/24, 6:03 pm - +Smiley face: Bosses want employees to kick and run !
4/3/24, 6:03 pm - +Rama: Our hoes our elderly!
4/3/24, 6:04 pm - +Rama: Goes*
4/3/24, 6:04 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, however, employers must be willing to accept....
4/3/24, 6:04 pm - +Rama: Drastic mindset must change in light of dwindling population and onset of AI!
4/3/24, 6:05 pm - +Smiley face: Are you finding placement in simple jobs to be rather impossible or tough?
Anonymity will help you to seek for possibilities!
4/3/24, 6:05 pm - +Rama: In between rather
4/3/24, 6:05 pm - +Smiley face: Wait longer , just not now!
4/3/24, 6:06 pm - +Rama: Time is of the essence!
4/3/24, 6:06 pm - +Smiley face: Ok, anonymity willing to crack the mind to help YOU!
4/3/24, 6:06 pm - +Rama: Hopefully!
4/3/24, 6:06 pm - +Smiley face: We both agreed!
4/3/24, 6:07 pm - +Smiley face: Can do.... Boleh lah! Never ever give up easily!
Anonymity is here to lift YOU UP AGAIN!
4/3/24, 6:07 pm - +Rama: Malaysia Boleh but Singapore never say cannot!
4/3/24, 6:08 pm - +Smiley face: SG, Lagi kepat Lagi!
Tuan!
4/3/24, 6:08 pm - +Rama: Betul!
4/3/24, 6:09 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, more than Boleh!
Let's change many mindsets!
4/3/24, 6:10 pm - +Rama: If we can participate in winter sports at regional, Asian or international level, we can do anything!
4/3/24, 6:10 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, mind over matters (metal) !
4/3/24, 6:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>
4/3/24, 6:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: May I know why SP and EP increase salary?
4/3/24, 6:11 pm - +Smiley face: Ah Hah!
Thanks, Frankie!
4/3/24, 6:11 pm - +Smiley face: Lobang for Singaporeans mah ....?
4/3/24, 6:12 pm - +Smiley face: Only if we can SEE the opportunity... ? Aka Lobangs !
4/3/24, 6:12 pm - +REACH: π’ *Topic* π’
4/3/24, 6:12 pm - +Frankie Wee: Competition or govt bag them to stay?
4/3/24, 6:12 pm - +Rama: Both I believe
4/3/24, 6:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: π±
4/3/24, 6:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: So good
4/3/24, 6:13 pm - +Smiley face: Why both?
4/3/24, 6:13 pm - +Smiley face: Why and how do you see it?
4/3/24, 6:13 pm - +Rama: No clear indication which one supersedes!
4/3/24, 6:14 pm - +Rama: Possibly but not certainly
4/3/24, 6:14 pm - +Frankie Wee: Not so sure about it. I can see EP and SP rising salary every year after budget announcement
4/3/24, 6:15 pm - +Smiley face: Financial $6200
Non- financial $5600
4/3/24, 6:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: Meantime the rental property market increased and COL is it right
4/3/24, 6:15 pm - +Smiley face: Any idea of EP and SP pay range?
4/3/24, 6:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: What if maximum $10k
4/3/24, 6:16 pm - +Smiley face: Softer rental?
4/3/24, 6:16 pm - +Smiley face: Hah ? Apa ini?
4/3/24, 6:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: π
4/3/24, 6:16 pm - +Rama: We are already launching satellite even though not from Singapore!
4/3/24, 6:17 pm - +Smiley face: For who?
4/3/24, 6:17 pm - +Rama: Mini ones for ourselves and some others
4/3/24, 6:18 pm - +Frankie Wee: I talk to EP
How did you enjoy here sg
He said yes employee salary extra a lot current dollars.
4/3/24, 6:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: That’s all about money
4/3/24, 6:20 pm - +Rama: It's amazing with wage increase yet our government attracts new investment. πππ€ππ
4/3/24, 6:20 pm - +Smiley face: Where's the magic?
4/3/24, 6:21 pm - +Rama: Our statutory boards, temasek and gic.
4/3/24, 6:22 pm - +Smiley face: Repute.....
4/3/24, 6:22 pm - +Rama: Yes!
4/3/24, 6:22 pm - +Smiley face: Comparative.....
4/3/24, 6:23 pm - +Rama: X factor too!
4/3/24, 6:23 pm - +Smiley face: Like what X?
4/3/24, 6:24 pm - +Rama: Don't know in detail but rest assured our civil servants are going the extra mile!
4/3/24, 6:47 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
4/3/24, 6:59 pm - +Smiley face: 4 March, 2024
"The Dividend of Individual"
"The most important is....The perspective of any individual human being and Human Capital. It encompassing relationships, contributions, receivings and existentials, all in all, heuristic & humanistic."
-- anonymity
Personal roadmap:
The circle or in this core is you and the five main dividends (Draw and Visualize; in five different directions pointing out of the core):
? = maybe, random
. = choices and decisions
- = doubt, unknown
: = predetermined
! = affirmation
Preliminary analysis?
The five attributes and corresponding meanings of the above five dividend, how to succeed and minimising failure, or facing random failures and feeling unlucky?
Is it a zero sum or an even sum of results or does it make all results random?
On the backdrop of digitisation, the incentives and rewards set by government is a roadmap for our fourth generations and beyond. The idea of continuous learning is profoundly a game changer in facing future changes and transformation from our existing knowledge and skills and transit into the next realm of a digital knowledge and new skillsets whereby the requirements of today doings will be changed and different ways of doings from the school to the workplace.
Those who enable themselves to learn and to adapt to new ways of doings will thrive better than those who find it more challenging to cope with changes not only at the workplace but the daily lives and livelihoods. In short, there will be roadblocks given an existing roadmap; to be able to re-route and finding new ways out of the blockage and reaps the benefit of reaching the intermittent stopovers and the digital destination as planned in the map.
Whenever any changes or transformation occurs, it will not be an easy path ahead and individuals must embrace and have mindsets of positive attitude in facing changes and challenges.
How much monetary support given to employer and employee if the benefit of targeted upskilling is identified?
Shorter course will not have much impact over the existing job duties and responsibilities of workers. In cases where courses taking up to a year or longer, the entire situation changed from money matters to the workers willing or are able to cope with existing work and running the course of learning, day time working and nite time studying?
An alternative is to free up selected workers to go full-time upskilling courses in batches. While guaranteeing the job of those under training and the income is not a factor at all.
What is the appropriate timing to commence and the correct course and after the completion of the courses such as a new diploma or a degree etc....what changes in the industry be?
Fact is not all jobs will be affected by digitisation, Perhaps in proportion to workers or businesses, some will have to transform quicker than others.
The goodness out of reskilling or upskilling is to stay competitive and relevant at work and hopefully raise the productivity after all these trainings and upgrading of knowledge into new ones.
How will the public and businesses react to these matters?
Will women be less advantage than men? Perhaps is the job requirements itself that decides on whether to reskill or uping the skill.
And remember to draw and visualize another bigger encircling all of the above, that's the larger You and Your potentials !
- - in progress - -
4/3/24, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
4/3/24, 7:01 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
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