REACH 496 - What are your views on the doubling of Government-paid paternity leave and unpaid infant care leave? How can we further support young families in the area of childcare?
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20 Sep 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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20/09/2023, 9:58 am - +REACH: *📢Topic 📢*
During the Parliament sitting on Tuesday (19 Sep), a Bill was passed in Parliament to double:
📌 Government-paid paternity leave from 2 weeks to 4 weeks,
📌Unpaid infant care leave from 6 days per year to 12 days per year.
Fathers who do not qualify for paternity leave under the Act because of their employment arrangements may instead be eligible for a government-paid paternity benefit of 4 weeks of an eligible father’s total income, which is a cash payment in lieu of the paternity leave.
*💬 What are your views on the doubling of Government-paid paternity leave and unpaid infant care leave? How can we further support young families in the area of childcare?*
Minister of State for Social and Family Development Sun Xueling, in her opening speech in Parliament, stated that the additional two weeks of government-paid paternity leave will be implemented on a voluntary basis so that employers have more time to adjust.
However, MOS Sun added that the amended Bill will allow the Government to reimburse employers who grant two additional weeks of paternity leave to eligible employees, doubling the reimbursement limits for employers.
MOS Sun said that the Government wants to encourage more fathers to be more involved in their children’s growing years from the very beginning. She also added that local data from the Singapore Longitudinal Early Development Study showed several benefits of using paternity leave like increasing marital satisfaction significantly reducing children’s behavioural problems through the mediating effects of family dynamics.
In response to questions about the equalisation of parental leave, MOS Sun clarified “Maternity leave is provided for mothers to recuperate physically from childbirth and care for and bond with their children. Hence, it is longer than paternity leave, which allows for fathers to care for their wives and bond with their newborn child. This is also why maternity leave is longer than adoption leave.”
The Bill was passed in parliament in line with announcements made at Budget 2023 by DPM Lawrence Wong.
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20/09/2023, 10:51 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
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*💬 What are your views on the doubling of Government-paid paternity leave and unpaid infant care leave? How can we further support young families in the area of childcare?*
Megan 😊
20/09/2023, 11:00 am - +Ah Heng: govt wants this company will then say sorry staff is useless cos take so many leaves
20/09/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: but such culture of family / work life balance will be greatly accepted in the west why the double standards of mnc here then
20/09/2023, 11:01 am - +Ah Heng: is it because is asia?
20/09/2023, 11:02 am - +Ah Heng: sme no need say any one on leave or for a matter of fact mc will affect their so call "productivity"
20/09/2023, 11:43 am - +Smiley face: 20 September, 2023
" The Irony of Gender Equality and the Social Norms"
"Either you embrace equality of gender and the nurturing role or you lean-on women as the primary care givers of newborns and thereafter as homemakers or homemakers cum career women; that's the life and endgame being a woman, is it the truth, let's face it?"
- - anonymity
The game of equality?
So what is the role of men in the family and the responsibilities of raising children; it's more than bringing the bacon home and put it on the dinning table?
The first happiness! Will society, employers and policymakers accept and ready for the equal treatments and incentivises women whom may have limited choices shorten their careers for the family sake or in this case allowing women to exercise the rights on shortening their maternity leaves in exchange (no changed to the total leaves for both) with their husbands to take on the extra weeks of leaves to man the home and back to the workplace for the ladies?
The second happiness! Let's exercise the flexibility to each young family letting the woman and the man decides on who, what, when, why, where and how to calibrate the leaves of absence to their needs from individual career to bringing up the child wholeheartedly and thereafter, children blossome to young adults.
Happily watching your children growing up is a priceless experience and a lifetime of happiness, isn't it true !"
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20/09/2023, 11:55 am - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Child care indeed is a joint responsibility between mother and father.
2. The additional paternity leave mandated by the government for father and government paid leave to employers will indeed help to buy in employers to the additional leave.
Though some companies with tight manpower may find it difficult to do so.
3. However for a more comprehensive childcare support at home, a hybrid WFH and WFO interpersed between father and mother will be more sustainable.
20/09/2023, 12:02 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
4. Eg. Will be 3 days working at home, 2 days in office for mother.
3 days in office, 2 days working at home for father will be a nice arrangement to look after the children.
20/09/2023, 12:17 pm - +~L: Companies have plenty of time to prepare for the absence of a parent (6 months) so it's great to see Gov supporting more Fathers being able to participate in the joy and responsibility of a new born. <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 12:18 pm - +Rama: Local companies are blood sucking profit driven only!
20/09/2023, 12:18 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
5. Mother take care of child from Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Then Father take over from Thursday and Friday.
6. Both mother and father must develop the skills to be able to juggle between work at one hand and do childcare at the other hand.
7. Then this will be more sustainable in the long run.
8. Older children can be brought to pre-school and the parents can then concentrate on their work if they WFH.
And can bring their children to pre school and back.
20/09/2023, 12:18 pm - +~L: Assuming the whole 4 weeks doesn't have to be taken at once (what is the period of eligibility?) then Fathers and companies have flexibility to work around business needs as well as family needs.
20/09/2023, 12:19 pm - +Rama: Yes
20/09/2023, 12:19 pm - +Rama: Yes
20/09/2023, 12:20 pm - +Rama: Female staff are still at a disadvantage when pregnant!
20/09/2023, 12:21 pm - +Rama: Management will find ways to squeeze work out of employees!
20/09/2023, 12:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
As long as can produce output - location not important.
But the challenges is, when workers need to have face to face meeting.
Or there are needs to be in office to coordinate work with co workers and boss in a rush deadline.
Then the nice arrangement will not be possible.
Then the additional pay leave for father to step up will be useful.
It is not a perfect world, need to adjust, adapt, be flexible and work things out.
20/09/2023, 12:30 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am flexible with my staff as long as they meet their deadlines and deliverables, I don't really care whether they're in the office. But if they don't perform then I have to watch them like a hawk because that's my Job to maximize my staff
20/09/2023, 12:30 pm - +Rama: Hard to separate personal time and space when WFH!
20/09/2023, 12:30 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Of course, if young couples stay near their parents will be the greatest help.
But like what I say, the world is not a perfect world.
My son not successful in bidding a BTO flat just a few blocks away from my flat.
Both me and my wife can take care of his children.
But not successful, can only suck thumbs.
Now have to plan for other alternatives.
Hybrid WFH and WFO interpersed between father and mother - will be the next best option.
20/09/2023, 12:30 pm - +Rama: Fair
20/09/2023, 12:31 pm - +Rama: 😳🤦♂️😞
20/09/2023, 12:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Reapplication again and again
20/09/2023, 12:33 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I once allowed a staff member 7 days off to attend an urgent matter because he has no more annual leave. I took responsibility for his absence because he is an excellent worker.
20/09/2023, 12:33 pm - +Frankie Wee: Overalls ballot number
20/09/2023, 12:34 pm - +Jimmy Chew: At the end, it's the superior who understands and balanced between performance and care of staff <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 12:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh.
I still recall I work up to 3 am at home after returning from work - teleconferencing with my boss last time.
Separation of personal time and work is a luxury.
Juggling between personal time and work is an art.
Well that was my mode of operation for a few decades during my work life.
Separation of personal time and work comes only after retirement.
20/09/2023, 12:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
There is no concept of WFH and WFO last time.
Because after returning from work, boss still can call me at night.
20/09/2023, 12:37 pm - +Frankie Wee: Night shit working
20/09/2023, 12:37 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Your boss is bad 😭
20/09/2023, 12:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Or there is a need to upgrade or maintain the system - which is only possible after 6 pm when people leave office.
Once I and my staff work from 6pm to next morning 6am.
Go home take shower, come back at 8am, prepare for people coming back to office - to ensure all systems running smoothly after upgrade or maintenance.
Else VIPs will be asking what happens, how come cannot login.
20/09/2023, 12:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Where got night shift working.
Only 1 shift.
20/09/2023, 12:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: What kind of job is it?
20/09/2023, 12:41 pm - +Darius Lee: Good move. But will employers and colleagues frown on those who take paternity leave? It requires more than just a change in law and policy, but there must be a change in mindset to recognise the role that fathers have (and should have) in taking care of children
20/09/2023, 12:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Short manpower who can cover duty.
20/09/2023, 12:43 pm - +Frankie Wee: This message was deleted
20/09/2023, 12:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
IT jobs.
20/09/2023, 12:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Only 3 infrastructure and 1 boss - looking after 4 big organisations of thousands over staff.
And have to serve more than 20 application IT staff. <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 12:47 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not a small company.
20/09/2023, 12:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: Big company with over 1,000 staffs no problem with department
20/09/2023, 12:51 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Rather, not a small Ministry.
20/09/2023, 12:57 pm - +Rama: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/new-silkroutes-ceo-jin-hian-charged-false-trading-goh-chok-tong-son-3784611
20/09/2023, 12:58 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Agree.
Such changes in policy do require _change in mindset_ , much more than just execution.
No point talking abt it.
The _doer_ (ie. Company / boss / superior) need to be "enlightened" .
Giving employee time off is a way of retaining staff & gaining their loyalty in the long term .
In today's tight labour market, we need all hands on deck.
On the other hand, the employee shd also be trustworthy enuff not to take advantage of the situation & keep on skiving !
It takes two hands to clap!
😉
20/09/2023, 1:14 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Compare last time - our early struggle with today's workforce - asking for 4 days work week, no disturbing after office hours and hybrid arrangement --- today's workers are like working in a heaven.
Our earlier days is a real struggle - but yet we can bite the bullet and 身精百战。一人能挡半边天。
20/09/2023, 1:17 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The only impact, breeding more babies have taken a toll.
20/09/2023, 1:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 1:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 1:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I check with ChatGPT which give me the lead.
And then I Google search based on the Act quoted by ChatGPT - food stalls and retailers must display price for each items.
It is a law.
Then wonder why fang cai can get away with not displaying each price for each dish items - and fleece the customers?
There are numerous news reports and complains by people on this issue on almost all corners of fang cai stalls, I think is time for enforcement actions.
20/09/2023, 1:30 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
My colleagues and I, maximum 2 kids, minimum 1 kid.
20/09/2023, 1:35 pm - +Rama: Millennium generation and after are the culprits!
20/09/2023, 1:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not entirely true.
My son work like me.
At night, he will do his own r&d and pick up ivy league universities technical journal and work on it.
20/09/2023, 1:46 pm - +Rama: Your son is a rare gem
20/09/2023, 1:51 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh still remember.
For the first time, the concept of WFH and WFO is introduced - is the time when SARS hit.
Then we have to do a few things:-
1. Setup secure remote access with laptop.
At that time, there is no broadband, hence the 1st time, we successfully use ADSL modem dialup to access the company network.
2. Setup video conferencing for remote meeting in the laptop.
At the time got no zoom.
3. Group ourselves into 2 groups - and cannot mix.
4. Quickly roll out the above to VIPs first.
Then senior managers.
And then to all the staff.
5. And we document all our processes and procedures of WFH and WFO - to combat SARs.
6. And certainly, this should be the 1st predecessor draft to formulate the WFH and WFO to combat covid. <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 2:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/family-of-four-needs-6426-a-month-for-basic-standard-of-living-in-spore-says
20/09/2023, 2:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Need higher income met standard cost of living
20/09/2023, 2:02 pm - +REACH: *📢Topic 📢*
20/09/2023, 2:03 pm - +Rama: Great but will face abuse!
20/09/2023, 2:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Actually if only taking into account Basic needs even for current high inflation, for a family of 6 - 1 sole breadwinner, 5 dependants, $4,100 a month is sufficient to meet all expenses.
Provided if the family members use:-
1. Soap bar but not shower cream
2. Neighborhood clothings and not designer clothes
3. 3in1 coffee and not Starbucks coffee
4. Food court, kopitiam and not restaurant.
5. Local tour and not overseas tours.
6. No jewelry
7. No birkin Hermes Chanel bags - but neighbourhood bags.
Else even $10,000 a month also not enough.
20/09/2023, 2:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: What!!!! $10,000 is a lot still enough 🤦
20/09/2023, 2:35 pm - +Rama: For a six room hdb flat family possibly
20/09/2023, 2:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore cost of living a family life very touch but work hard all this kindly spent to end.
20/09/2023, 2:38 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The $6,426 expenses a month for a family of 4 - is exorbitant and the family is basking in luxury goods and not basic needs.
20/09/2023, 2:38 pm - +Rama: With no savings for a rainy day!
20/09/2023, 2:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: Salary $10,000 must be high position. Even I can work McDonald’s salary $10,000 is so great standard living.
20/09/2023, 2:54 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
We want to *HEAR MORE* from you!
*💬 What are your views on the doubling of Government-paid paternity leave and unpaid infant care leave? How can we further support young families in the area of childcare?*
Megan 😊
20/09/2023, 2:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/netizens-surprised-nus-undergrads-starting-pay-2101041
20/09/2023, 2:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore can expectations in future
20/09/2023, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Blady immature millennium!
20/09/2023, 2:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: 10-20 years they can retire like that
20/09/2023, 2:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: Student think the future life is so easy because Singapore is rich nation
20/09/2023, 2:59 pm - +Smiley face: "you said it's wrong; they said is correct?"
" you said is correct; they said otherwise!"
20/09/2023, 3:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Any boss can offers them salary $10,000 monthly
20/09/2023, 3:03 pm - +Rama: Not the civil service!
20/09/2023, 3:04 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://blog.seedly.sg/salary-guide-singapore/
20/09/2023, 3:04 pm - +Coconut Tree: Contract O&M positions can hit $15k pm, 6 day workweek.
20/09/2023, 3:05 pm - +Coconut Tree: only need about 6-8 years experiance.
20/09/2023, 3:05 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes I heard
20/09/2023, 3:05 pm - +Frankie Wee: They have education degree or BA
20/09/2023, 3:13 pm - +Smiley face: $5,000 to $50,000?
Aspirations: Parents want their children better them; the children want their children to be even better than them; the grandparents want everyone better and the best is yet to be?
Is this a universal human value or an Asian value?
20/09/2023, 3:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: 2030-2040 salary starter will be higher
20/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Smiley face: Why so?
20/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Rama: Yes
20/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: Because of cost living level will increase
20/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Rama: Yes
20/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: Not like in 1990s
20/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Smiley face: Either a young person aspires to do well or excel or you have young people losing hope and lying flat now and then...is it correct or is it wrong?
20/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Rama: Look back to 1980
20/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: 1997 world finances crisis reach this year 2023 price is different
20/09/2023, 3:19 pm - +Smiley face: Developing stage and the Global economics growth was unlike the last 20 years, accelerated growth for the World.
20/09/2023, 3:19 pm - +Smiley face: Inflation
20/09/2023, 3:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: The whole going to change new environment and economy. They know and know what will happen Russia over war.
Ai job and human dignity life will never know every price to pay for inflation level.
20/09/2023, 3:28 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore has no rule fair wage laws who get pay low and not enough they will never know in future going to change.
20/09/2023, 3:28 pm - +Rama: Is mankind prepared!?
20/09/2023, 3:29 pm - +Umar M: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/new-silkroutes-ceo-jin-hian-charged-false-trading-goh-chok-tong-son-3784611
Worrying that a son of a former PM is charged for such a grave offence.
20/09/2023, 3:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Soap bar 50 cents Vs shower cream ($7.90) my wife told me.
2. 3in1 coffee 13cents Vs Starbucks $6.70.
3. Neighborhood shirt $10 Vs designer shirt $50 (estimated)
4. Daiso slippers ($2) Vs high class retail slippers $10 (estimated)
5. Food court, kopitiam $20 3 person Vs restaurant $100 (estimated)
6. Local tours $100 3 person Vs $1,000 per person overseas tours.
7. No jewelry Vs $1,000 diamond ring (estimated)
8. Soap bar 50 cents Vs $100 perfume (estimated)
9. Neighborhood bag $20 versus Birkin bag $1,000 (estimated)
Of course, NTU lkyspp study need $6,426 a month for a family of 4.
Will ntu lkyspp report open to the public for scrutiny - then we can compare item by item - whether the report can stand water or not. <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 3:35 pm - +Coconut Tree: Your Birkin missing a few 0s 😜😜😜
20/09/2023, 3:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh really???
You see, I don't belong to the high class - that is why l frog in the well.
20/09/2023, 3:39 pm - +Frankie Wee: I feeling the job won’t stay least forever if want go change for better start prepare. Every 5 years change and change. Some of boss bankrupt because they never change new develop.
20/09/2023, 3:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: Same as old machine will become computer next generation will ultra smart watch
20/09/2023, 3:42 pm - +Smiley face: How to prepare?
What to prepare?
20/09/2023, 3:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Upgrade skill or starter a better job
20/09/2023, 3:44 pm - +Frankie Wee: Cheque will no long become e-payment like PayNow or transfer
20/09/2023, 3:51 pm - +Smiley face: One clear vision is the Specialisation of skills and jobs will have a shorter lifespan and shorten products life cycle all because of technological breakthroughs, innovations & inventions, automations & AI as the next automates of the workplace!
20/09/2023, 3:54 pm - +Smiley face: "The Architecture of a business or any organisation all have their complex structures built-in placed to process and for progressions. It is savvy for management and managers to decide often to be tempted in a situation of labor shortages or lacking the 'right person for the job' to right sized; it is instinctively and self profess for managers to bypass the human aspects of subjective workloads and to overly cutting off workers in achieving the transformations, the ultimate KPI and profitability."
- - anonymity
20/09/2023, 3:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.icts.com.sg/what-is-robotic-assisted-thoracic-surgery-in-singapore/
20/09/2023, 3:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Cut manpower assist turn into robot assist
20/09/2023, 3:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I will like to say that AI, robotics will greatly complement and help humans in productivity.
But AI and robotics cannot fully replace humans.
20/09/2023, 4:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Feel sorry human nothing job but take other different job than current
20/09/2023, 4:00 pm - +REACH: *📢Topic 📢*
20/09/2023, 4:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Total agreed
20/09/2023, 4:05 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I did a trial on ChatGPT and see whether ChatGPT can replace humans as a formidable worker.
I realise AI ChatGPT cannot beat a human.
To test ChatGPT intelligence, I start with abstract concepts.
And test it using various angles.
AI ChatGPT either produce a half correct and half wrong answer.
Or it go into hallucination and fabricate a false answer.
This is despite I train it with the right answer and test it again a day later.
Without human senses, feeling, consciousness, perception and mental judgement to pick up subtle stimuli - relying on math permutation, linear equations, and math model - it is unable to rationalize and produce the intelligence of a human being.
20/09/2023, 4:06 pm - +Smiley face: It's a Precision engineering process, this procedure happens to be a medical procedure...
20/09/2023, 4:07 pm - +Smiley face: Feelings, emotions and people to people's interactions...
20/09/2023, 4:07 pm - +Smiley face: Early days of generative AI or aka the learning machines...
20/09/2023, 4:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: Fast developing than thinking when human can useful assistance
20/09/2023, 4:10 pm - +Smiley face: High volume of transactions or highest level of Precision processes, computer or super computing will excel over humans. Totally no basis to compare or no brainer not to adopt it...
The fastest counting and processing shall win it all...it literally means ALL!
20/09/2023, 4:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Regurgitation of facts and speed in computing yes - AI ChatGPT win hands down.
But conceptualising new ideas, creative and innovative solutions - ChatGPT level belongs to the primary students level.
20/09/2023, 4:13 pm - +Smiley face: Here comes another interesting paradigm:
Tesla vs BYD self drive systems, aka modular and algorithmic synthesis!
The question is which 6G global positioning platform will excel over the rest. And the following question is the disruptive and errors in transmitting these codes will have profound commercials and military advantages over any player.
It's all about transparency and transactional.
20/09/2023, 4:13 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: The surgeon is still needed to manipulate/instruct the machine to reach its intended target. It’s just that surgeons hands no need to be so steady as before. Usefulness of surgeons last longer.
20/09/2023, 4:13 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
It is good in aggregating ideas.
But not coming out with new innovative ideas.
20/09/2023, 4:14 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: Yes.
20/09/2023, 4:14 pm - +~L: LLMs, or Language Models, are awful at Facts, since they basically make stuff up. They are excellent at processing and analysing text. <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 4:15 pm - +Smiley face: Collaboratively, a group of surgeons are borderless coming into the OT to perform the Ops, in the quickest time and all done!
20/09/2023, 4:15 pm - +~L: My friend is a partner in a law firm and their conclusion is that ChatGPT will make half their junior lawyers redundant.
20/09/2023, 4:16 pm - +Smiley face: Natural language and future languages will evolve into both organic and quantitative models to derive a unique set of codes, in hope of unbreakable codes?
20/09/2023, 4:16 pm - +~L: if a computer can create a code, then a computer can break a code
20/09/2023, 4:16 pm - +Smiley face: There goes the junior lawyers...fewer
20/09/2023, 4:16 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
To show an example how ChatGPT fabricate and hallucinate answers based on abstract concepts despite having all the scripture text input into ChatGPT.
And despite telling ChatGPT the right precise answer, ChatGPT still get it wrong.
Let see the example.
20/09/2023, 4:17 pm - +~L: ChatGPT can't do maths. It's not a search engine. It puts words together.
20/09/2023, 4:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: All you need read assistance ChaGPT thereafter done
20/09/2023, 4:18 pm - +Frankie Wee: Keying typewriter speed
20/09/2023, 4:19 pm - +Smiley face: Unique codings, it's more than coders could imagine today.
The fight now is about speed and thereafter a new level of machine languages will emerge....that's for sure!
Google, Meta and MS are working separately and rumours that two of them or three are collaborating on a new language system to beat the Chinese! All for one and one for All!
20/09/2023, 4:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: Idea work human creator to support Ai all development
20/09/2023, 4:19 pm - +Smiley face: Sooner these chatbots will flood the consumers market like soya sauce
20/09/2023, 4:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I prompt ChatGPT for a response to depict in picture form - how does Nirvana look like.
ChatGPT provide 4 answers.
2 are correct.
Number 1 and 4.
But ChatGPT is wrong to say the Dharma Wheel doesn't directly depict Nirvana itself, only a representation.
Look like the person who input to ChatGPT only attain a proxy to Nirvana (a Sotapanna) - but not an Arahat.
A Sotapanna attain 1st proxy to Nirvana.
A Sagadagami a 2nd proxy.
An Anagami a 3rd proxy.
Only an Arahat attain the Full Nirvana.
Bodhisattva attain twice Full Nirvana.
Buddha attain thrice Supreme Nirvana.
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - +Smiley face: Cheaper to adopt, buy and use in any offices! Just like Microsoft softwares...
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: Day 1
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: It can! Try asking it to come out with a program to compute the coefficients of a polynomial to fit a curve.
20/09/2023, 4:20 pm - +Smiley face: Who will be the big winners?
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
ChatGPT is not invincible.
It cannot defeat a human intelligence.
It sometimes give the wrong answer.
I challenge ChatGPT in different angles, it give me different answers.
Some are half right, some are wrong.
Most of the time, ChatGPT seems to be copying the script eg. Buddhist text scripture.
But when ask the direct experience, it gives the wrong answer.
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: Yes.
It didn't give me the answer I want.
It is good in picking up facts, and information.
But not good at reasoning, intellectual discussion or insights.
So I am quite comfortable that ChatGPT cannot replace human beings.
ChatGPT also cannot be left alone to formulate government policies.
It can go the wrong way.
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The pictorial representation of Nirvana presented by ChatGPT is a hallucination.
It try to smoke its way through.
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In abstract concepts - ChatGPT level is only a primary education level.
It means a primary students can present the right facts better than ChatGPT in abstract concepts.
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20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - +Smiley face: Exactly, even for complex engineering or architecture structural matters...
What a team of civil and structural engineers need to accomplish in 30 days, the chatbots will do it in one day or shorter time!
20/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Day 2 - ChatGPT hallucinating and try to smoke its way.
20/09/2023, 4:23 pm - +Smiley face: After the smoke is gone, you will see it clean and clear!
Wait lah....lol
20/09/2023, 4:24 pm - +Smiley face: MIT aerospace engineering is redefining aerodynamics with the latest prototype of wings that are both efficient and speedy!
20/09/2023, 4:25 pm - +REACH: Dear contributors,
please be reminded to keep to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan 😊
20/09/2023, 4:26 pm - +Smiley face: Let's talk about maternity leaves...
20/09/2023, 4:32 pm - +Smiley face: One way, may be there is a need to encourage especially the newly wed couples; for the first five years of marriage life to attend scheduled family planning and counselling to check on each other that they are both satisfied, happy and the family is alright too!
Importantly, seek out any early signs of discontent or disputes over tangibles and intangibles.
Money issues and/or in-laws issues, child care issues, or siblings rivalry can be a sparking point for a rougher journey ahead and subsequent quarrels involving either or both couples or the entire extended family and leading to divorce.
20/09/2023, 4:32 pm - +Rama: I look forward to this.
20/09/2023, 4:33 pm - +Rama: Expect some form of water down explanation!
20/09/2023, 4:35 pm - +Rama: .
20/09/2023, 4:42 pm - +Smiley face: DOUBLE the existing Grant and packages for young families especially with those with TWO kids !
One, to encourage TWO kids or more
Two, in view of the stubborn inflation and the consequences of rising costs of raising a child/children.
Three, there is a need to check the true costs of raising a child or two children from birth to 21 yrs old.
Four, after which, parents will have to refocus on their next step that is their grown ups is getting married, that's another expense to think about!
20/09/2023, 4:45 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/mof-consider-having-solely-age-based-components-majulah-package
MOF to consider having solely age-based components in Majulah Package.
20/09/2023, 4:45 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Champion!
Mof have heard my appeal!
20/09/2023, 4:45 pm - +Smiley face: How about preferential income tax for TWO kids and onwards?
The more kids, the higher the tax breaks?
Also for future BTO, this family children will have an extra chance to ballot a flats?
One child's family will have minimal breaks.
20/09/2023, 4:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:50 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:51 pm - +Smiley face: Contract workers, let's also include in these paternal and maternal grants or cash payouts.
20/09/2023, 4:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: A small or amount token accepted gift than get nothing leave no one behind
20/09/2023, 4:54 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 4:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Good that MP Denise phua and Edward chia bring it into parliament.
And good that MOF and MOS Chee Hong Tat acknowledged and willing to accommodate - in the spirit of "leave no one behind". <This message was edited>
20/09/2023, 4:56 pm - +Rama: Yes
20/09/2023, 4:59 pm - +Smiley face: Triple grants & packages for three kids?
$1,000 for delivery of baby and hospitalisation plus free consultations DURING trimester pregnancy period?
Triple the chance to ballot for a BTO?
20/09/2023, 5:00 pm - +Smiley face: Two kids, $2,000 fess, half consultation fees?
Two chances for BTO?
20/09/2023, 5:01 pm - +Smiley face: First kid, $3,000 fees? Consultations, 25% discount?
20/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Ken: To be frank not easy to bring up kids in Singapore not just the money
20/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Smiley face: How about IVF costs?
20/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, money does come with ease of mind?
The rest of raising a child is all left to the family...
20/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Ken: IVF is required means having lower chance of baby.. due to various reasons physically…
By encouraging IVF, is it really good?
20/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Ken: Depends on your job… if easy yes you have time…
If not.. more kids does it means better?
20/09/2023, 5:04 pm - +Smiley face: Some couples want kids but due to fertility issues, unable?
Some of these couples tend not to adopt kids?
20/09/2023, 5:04 pm - +Ken: I would think adopting would be good.. but then again not everyone have a big heart
20/09/2023, 5:05 pm - +Frankie Wee: Couple to be like wife and husband without a kid in family
20/09/2023, 5:05 pm - +Smiley face: There must be a love for children and pre marriage counseling will help couples to realise the responsibilities of a marriage and so on....family planning
20/09/2023, 5:05 pm - +Ken: Rather spend thousands than to adopt, is preference I guess
20/09/2023, 5:05 pm - +Smiley face: Subjective....
20/09/2023, 5:05 pm - +Ken: Love for kids… and having them is different I think…
20/09/2023, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: Reality...
20/09/2023, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: No kids, no marriage?
20/09/2023, 5:06 pm - +Ken: And yes I have two now 😅
Not easy man…
20/09/2023, 5:07 pm - +Smiley face: Good job, Ken!
Sure you know how to raise kids! Thanks
20/09/2023, 5:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: Good bring your kid happiness and joy in family
20/09/2023, 5:07 pm - +Ken: 😂😂😂 to be frank I have no clue… just learn as you go..
20/09/2023, 5:07 pm - +Smiley face: Is a joy, priceless experience
20/09/2023, 5:08 pm - +Smiley face: Also can....hey, there are tons of good books on child psychology etc... pls read a bit...you will learn a few good pointers too!
Point 1, learn to let it go!
20/09/2023, 5:08 pm - +Ken: Priceless… yes
fulfilling? Depends on time and your aspirations.
To me half half.. need a balance
20/09/2023, 5:08 pm - +Ken: Every kid is different if everything is written in books no bad kids Liao
20/09/2023, 5:08 pm - +Smiley face: It's how you SEE it!
Positive or negative?
Willing and meaningful or hassle?
20/09/2023, 5:09 pm - +Ken: Willing? Yes
Meaningful? Sort of if not won’t have 2 😂
Hassle… if yes don’t have kids please
20/09/2023, 5:10 pm - +Smiley face: Of cos, every tree is different too!
Don't let the tree slant or it will be tough to get it straightened!
The first 6 years and into the 16th year....your trees!
20/09/2023, 5:11 pm - +Smiley face: What is life?
Why procreate?
Who says so?
Where to find happiness?
How to coexist meaningfully?
That's the beauty of life and many folks see it as mystery!
20/09/2023, 5:13 pm - +Smiley face: Tuition and the rigour of education are putting the young couples away from having kids? Plus the bills to pay for, month to month and YTY!
20/09/2023, 5:13 pm - +Smiley face: So what is happiness and what is the truth in it? Or otherwise?
20/09/2023, 5:15 pm - +Smiley face: Bring the tuitors into the schools and let the teachers rest?
Just thinking wildly!
20/09/2023, 5:15 pm - +Smiley face: Teachers are quitting to become tutors? Why?
Pressure or money or?
20/09/2023, 5:18 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
All my batch and cohorts jump with joy and say hurray!
20/09/2023, 5:19 pm - +Rama: Worth considering
20/09/2023, 5:22 pm - +Rama: Procreation is costly!
20/09/2023, 5:26 pm - +Smiley face: If so, stop creating?
20/09/2023, 5:28 pm - +Smiley face: Talents come, talents go, Talents' time!
20/09/2023, 5:34 pm - +Smiley face: So when a country's population is ageing at an accelerated rate, one way is to admit new people into its country to not only contribute but to sustain the necessities of living. It is now or never; it is a generational gap to fill and not letting this gap of ageing grow bigger that eventually becomes hopeless to salvage....
20/09/2023, 6:14 pm - +65 9654 2001: Can GOV actually consider to offer free or minimal subsidy for eye operation to improve the vision of Singaporeans.
India is providing this for its residents at very affordable rate like minimal 6000 rupees to for lens insertion.
And the feedback, many especially elderlies have gain back full vision.
Elderlies who had blurred vision before the operation, has better and sharp vision after the operation.
Hope the Govt can consider this option.
20/09/2023, 6:14 pm - +Rama: Procreation policies need major upgrade!
20/09/2023, 6:16 pm - +Smiley face: Yes, yup, ya!
COE prices just came out....up, up, up
20/09/2023, 6:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: Car going down less business buy COE $144k
20/09/2023, 6:17 pm - +Smiley face: Affordable or getting tougher having kids?
Old times, you tikam and have kids?
Today, you need to have tactics with kids?
20/09/2023, 6:18 pm - +Smiley face: Demand is there...
20/09/2023, 6:30 pm - +Rama: 😳😆😁
20/09/2023, 6:30 pm - +Rama: 😆😁
20/09/2023, 6:39 pm - +Rama: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/askst-do-i-still-need-a-covid-19-booster-jab-now-that-the-pandemic-is-over
20/09/2023, 6:49 pm - +65 9753 9655: Cooling measures not working.. should remove e goat's stockpile from this. Esp taxis
20/09/2023, 6:50 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *10 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
20/09/2023, 6:59 pm - +Smiley face: MM Lee Kuan Yew, his wisdom and departing words...
20/09/2023, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
20/09/2023, 6:59 pm - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
20/09/2023, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
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