REACH 495 - What are your thoughts on the announcement of the public transport fares hike and the support measures introduced for lower income households and lower wage workers?
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19 Sep 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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19/09/2023, 9:58 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
On Monday 18 September, the Public Transport Council (PTC) concluded the Fare Review Exercise (FRE) 2023 and announced an overall fare increase of 7.0% for commuters, about a third of the 22.6% maximum quantum for public transport fares. While commuters bear 7.0% of the increase in fares, the Government will bear the remaining 15.6% points of fare adjustment through an additional subsidy of $300 million. This will take effect from 23 December 2023.
MOT will cap the increase in concession card fares for lower-wage workers (LWWs) and Persons with Disabilities (PwDs). The Government will also make available Public Transport Vouchers (PTV) for lower-income Households to cope with the fare hike.
*💬 What are your thoughts on the announcement of the public transport fares hike and the support measures introduced for lower income households and lower wage workers?*
*▶️ Bus & Train Fares (From 23 December 2023)*
📌 Concession card fares (4-5 cents increase per journey)
📌 Adult card fares (10-11 cents increase per journey)
📌 Bus cash fares (10 cents increase for students, seniors and PwDs, 10 cents increase for adults and other commuters)
📌 Up to 10% reduction in prices hybrid (bus-and-rail) monthly concession pass
*▶️ Support Measures*
📌 New Workfare Transport Concession Scheme (WTCS) introduced, a hybrid monthly concession pass to better support lower-wage workers including students, seniors and full-time National Servicemen.
📌 Public Transport Vouchers (PTVs) worth $50 each, up from $30 previously, for eligible households with monthly income per person of not more than $1,600.
👉 Public transport fare hike: Adults to pay 10 to 11 cents more per journey from Dec 23 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/mrt-bus-fare-increase-10-11-cents-public-transport-council-3779086
👉 Additional $300M Government Support to Moderate Fare Increase
https://www.mot.gov.sg/news/details/additional-300m-government-support-to-moderate-fare-increase
👉 Public Transport Vouchers Available to Provide Support for Lower-Income Households
https://www.mot.gov.sg/news/details/public-transport-vouchers-available-to-provide-support-for-lower-income-households
👉 Revised fare adjustment formula (2023 - 2027)
https://www.ptc.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/fre-2023-annex-a-and-annex-b-pdf-(297-kb).pdf
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19/09/2023, 10:17 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: When it rains it pours! 🙁
In view of the energy price increases and wage increases, end consumers need to bear the costs. The grants would help a bit.
However, I hope that more efforts are made to see where other revenues can be obtained from MRT spaces. eg: maximise retail spaces to help subsidize transport operations; empty spaces below MRT tracks. Previously when the lady CEO was in charge, the retail operations were very healthy. Unfortunately, she didn't focus on maintenance and reliability sufferred. Seems to me that current smrt CEOs focus on reliability and not much on retail rental income. Need a mixture of both types of CEO.
Then there is the lowering of cost of operations by not air conditioning bus terminus and putting in giant fans instead.
19/09/2023, 10:23 am - +~L: Less than $50 per year for a working person doing a daily commute. Best transport system in the world. I'd like to see more support for the lower income where it makes the biggest difference. If they have transportation then they can access all of Singapore free recreation facilities and social support structure more easily with no cost to the public purse. This would be good for families, kids etc. Maybe provide less overall subsidy and channel that money to the lower income families. It would only add around 3c per journey for everyone else - $15 per year.
19/09/2023, 10:25 am - +~L: What would the Adult increase be if there was no increase on concession cards? 📌 Concession card fares (4-5 cents increase per journey)
📌 Adult card fares (10-11 cents increase per journey)
19/09/2023, 10:34 am - +Rama: 👌
19/09/2023, 10:34 am - +Smiley face: For Students and Seniors, you can opt to purchase a monthly Pass that costs $32/mth. A student pass should be cheaper!
19/09/2023, 10:35 am - +Rama: I thought the new seniors concession is sgd96! ?
19/09/2023, 10:36 am - +Smiley face: Yes, not expensive for a Mass public transportation system.
Do research on other developed countries Public fares, the quality, the frequency and connectivity too.
19/09/2023, 10:37 am - +Smiley face: Seniors and students who often take buses, trains urged to use cheaper monthly travel passes
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/ptc-urges-seniors-students-who-take-buses-trains-a-lot-to-switch-to-cheaper-monthly-travel-passes
19/09/2023, 10:39 am - +Smiley face: The complete MRT system into 2030 should have 300km of tracks connecting the entire SG township. That's a game changer and redefining a matured or non-matured estate into ONE SG.
19/09/2023, 10:44 am - +Smiley face: This message was deleted
19/09/2023, 10:45 am - +Smiley face: A true testimony of our previous generations of leaders, great fore sights and today SG we are all proud of...
It doesn't matter if we fork out a bit more! Why? More than three decades ago, folks then paid their price to build it and they benefitted the convenience of moving around, from their homes to their workplaces!
That's the meaning of ENABLE!
19/09/2023, 10:46 am - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/DnfsYldEE7M?si=J520TPiHCOzOrF2w
Part 1
19/09/2023, 10:46 am - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/-C1y6sKUv3k?si=WpBwikMlpn1sudHB
Part 2
19/09/2023, 10:47 am - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>
19/09/2023, 10:49 am - +Ken: For the efficiency of Singapore public transport… consider very decent..
Just need more help for the vulnerable
19/09/2023, 10:50 am - +Ken: I gladly pay for current rate… as long as they give a decent accountability and share the cost since no competition. Should give more information on what is done. To give public a better sense on what the money is spend on.
19/09/2023, 10:51 am - +Ken: Which I don’t need to wait 30 mins for bus.. and having so many alternative ways to travel to a location
19/09/2023, 10:51 am - +Smiley face: Hi Ken, a good and compassionate thought from you... perhaps our policymakers will look into this noble idea for our vulnerable people who only means of transportion is either MRT or Buses or both or walking...
Thanks, Ken!
19/09/2023, 10:51 am - +Rama: Yes
19/09/2023, 10:51 am - +Smiley face: Enable!
19/09/2023, 10:51 am - +~L: Agreed!
19/09/2023, 10:52 am - +Smiley face: All of these coming extensions and extensions NEED MONEY!
19/09/2023, 10:52 am - +~L: Yes, it's a good idea. Transparency will reassure people it's valid
19/09/2023, 10:54 am - +Smiley face: Do you really think that the mass Public tpt is making good profits?
Previously, anonymity has presented China's domestic HSR system that covered over 3600km, yet it is a lost making project into the billions of dollars, annually!
19/09/2023, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore will spent future AI transport public
19/09/2023, 10:56 am - +Jimmy Chew: I agree the transparency will reassure people it's valid, but then the cost is the issue. They got t keep it down innovatively, what's the use of collecting data not adjusting the trips to needs. I took a coupleof buses during off peak and they are empty, I am happy but the cost to the nation and the environment. Do we need buses to ply every 10 to 15 mins empty? They need to get creative with ideas to reduce cost and efficiency, haha that's what they are paid for, they raising prices so that they can be paid too
19/09/2023, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: https://landtransportguru.net/imagining-the-bus-of-tomorrow/
19/09/2023, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: https://landtransportguru.net/imagining-the-bus-of-tomorrow/
19/09/2023, 10:56 am - +Smiley face: The economics of a Mass Public Mover may not necessarily be highly profitable. The importance is to move people and the consequential benefits shall befall into many multiplier effects of a country's economic development! An uplifting of the standard of living for the population.
19/09/2023, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: Autonomous Bus in motion with 5/6G connectivity, no disruptions and personal and public safety too!
19/09/2023, 11:05 am - +Frankie Wee: Cool
19/09/2023, 11:41 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
We want to *HEAR MORE* from you!
*💬 What are your thoughts on the announcement of the public transport fares hike and the support measures introduced for lower income households and lower wage workers?*
Megan 😊
19/09/2023, 11:55 am - +~L: Yes, although sometimes they have to run the buses to get them to the required terminals so they can pick up people on the way back. Lots of people leave town in the evening so buses need to get into town, even though not many people are going into town.
19/09/2023, 11:56 am - +~L: They have masses of data on where people are travelling when, I'm sure it's not perfect (people are not 100% predictable).
19/09/2023, 11:57 am - +~L: Exactly. You cannot quantify exactly, but common sense and logic tell us that PT is essential for work, social, recreation, tourism etc etc
19/09/2023, 12:54 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
We want to *HEAR MORE* from you!
*💬 What are your thoughts on the announcement of the public transport fares hike and the support measures introduced for lower income households and lower wage workers?*
Megan 😊
19/09/2023, 12:56 pm - +Umar M: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/murder-remains-pot-daughter-father-pleads-guilty-3781291?cid=internal_sharetool_iphone_19092023_cna
19/09/2023, 12:56 pm - +~N: Pardon me, missed this. The report is a reasonably accurate reflection of living costs for local households. I'm not sure why the ministries find it necessary to argue that a $1.5K monthly living expenses for an average adult is questionable.
The report might not have considered all household composites, but it is already a better report than the ministries'
19/09/2023, 12:59 pm - +Rama: 😳🤦♂️😢
19/09/2023, 1:01 pm - +Rama: The Minister or ministers are not earning sgd1.5K so easy to question!
19/09/2023, 1:02 pm - +~N: I'm not sure what I'm paying for. Is it a seat on the train, less sardine-packed rides, a more reliable transport system, higher frequency /shorter wait intervals? what am I paying for....
19/09/2023, 1:03 pm - +Rama: Definitely not seat on the train!
19/09/2023, 1:04 pm - +Caleb: +1
19/09/2023, 1:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Sorry. How do you get $50 per year? <This message was edited>
19/09/2023, 1:06 pm - +Jimmy Chew: You meant increase?
19/09/2023, 1:28 pm - +Frankie Wee: Salary need adjust income to feed their own family expenses $1,500 due to high inflation rate.
19/09/2023, 1:40 pm - +Jimmy Chew: $1500/30 = $50 per day. For how many in family. If consider 4? $50/4 = $20 per person per day hahaha for 3 meals? Excluding transportation, housing and education and emergencies, parents and in laws. <This message was edited>
19/09/2023, 1:54 pm - +~L: Related to transport.... we are seeing better infrastructure for bikes, maybe now time to offer city centre underground parking. Lots of people could use this to relieve the morning burden on the trains, and LTA could still earn revenue from the parking fees: https://www.designboom.com/technology/eco-cycle-automated-underground-parking-bicycles-japan-08-08-2017/
19/09/2023, 1:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: $1,500 per monthly is a lot
Mean that couple earn salary each $750 (salary $1,500 thereafter CPF $1,200 cash in)
19/09/2023, 1:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: I think mean for spent outing
19/09/2023, 1:55 pm - +~L: Yes, approx. $1.10 per week minus weeks not working (holiday, ph etc)
19/09/2023, 1:57 pm - +~L: High Frequency = less crowded train/platform, less need to wait for next train. No one can expect seats on each train during rush hour. The maths shows there would need to be trains every minute....
19/09/2023, 1:58 pm - +~L: Agreed - we were asking to see how the calculations were made to assess if it's generally considered reasonable .
19/09/2023, 1:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: Every parent give allowance for child $200/monthly
19/09/2023, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Child need
-Transportation public unlimited
-mobile billed
-school fee
-meal or outing
19/09/2023, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Parent don’t have much money saving for child support when they grow up start new job basic is $2,900
19/09/2023, 2:02 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
19/09/2023, 2:14 pm - +Rama: Add sgd500 additional for each adult
19/09/2023, 2:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
1. Just noting the fact, that for this year public transport fare increase, PTC announce 7% increase in fares and Government subsidise 15.6% increases.
The 7% increase in fare hike is more than 5% or lower in previous years.
The justification of the fare hikes are due to :-
a. Lower ridership vis-a-vis in comparison to pre-pandemic
b. High energy cost
c. Higher salaries for transport workers.
2. I am concern about a. Lower ridership.
3. Just wonder what account for the lower ridership - as the Government is promoting car-lite, whereby people are discouraged to own cars as observed by the zero-growth COE quota, and the 6 figures COE prices in every COE bid?
4. Rightfully, ridership in public transport should have gone up and not go down - as more people are not owning cars and taking public transport.
5. Another thoughts come to my mind, is the lower ridership due to WFH - whereby lesser people are required to report to work and allow to work from home?
Just guessing as I don't have statistics to back up my statement.
6. Read one participant suggestion that as MRT CEO focus mainly in getting the reliability of MRT robust without breakdown - which is the primary responsibility of the train operator, there is a need to look at other secondary income such as retail rental to supplement the earnings of train operator - so that there will be less stress on train operator to keep looking at fare increases to buffer the lower ridership.
Public transport after all - is meant for the public-at-large that make up of many :-
a. Lower income groups - that may not qualify to those assistance and vouchers offer by the lowest rung of the income group.
b. Retirees - with no income but predominantly depending on their savings and yet not qualify for government assistance.
c. School children - not earning income with no financial assistance.
d. Unemployed or caregivers - not earning income with no financial assistance.
e. A breadwinner will have to provide for these groups of people under his/her care - and everything adds up amidst the current high inflation.
7. The increases in the public transport fare don't seems alot - only 11 cents more per trip - but when added up admist the current high inflation - it can be a burden to the above groups.
8. For academic computation, with 11 cents increase per trip - the fare hike per person according to my travel pattern is estimated to be $120 - $183 per year.
(And my total expenses increase from 8.9% to 9.6%).
9. Now, will need to scout for additional income sources to cover this additional expenses of 9.6% inflation (which amount to a few thousand dollars a year) - to ensure it will not deplete my retirement savings.
19/09/2023, 2:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Assuming a sole breadwinner need to finance the fare hike for his dependants who are not working but not qualified for financial assistance:-
1. Wife
2. Child
3. Parents x 2
4. In-law
It come up to additional $720 - $1,092 per year.
This will be added to the current inflation of other goods and services.
19/09/2023, 2:41 pm - +Rama: Wow!
19/09/2023, 2:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes small fare hike, but when snowball - big increase.
19/09/2023, 2:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Seek help com.care
19/09/2023, 2:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
But some breadwinner not qualify to seek help.
Only can keep sucking thumbs until it bleeds.
19/09/2023, 2:44 pm - +Smiley face: Previously, govt subsidy amounted to $200m.
This coming govt subsidy shall amount to $300m.
YOY is going to be $500m.
19/09/2023, 2:45 pm - +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/0XsLpoqymPg?si=JE_hnXJf9L-geXk5
Previously...
19/09/2023, 2:45 pm - +Rama: All these comes from tax, gst etc.
19/09/2023, 2:59 pm - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
19/09/2023, 3:00 pm - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>
19/09/2023, 3:05 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://mustsharenews.com/commonwealth-koufu-cai-png
Customer Charged S$10.10 For Cai Png At Koufu Commonwealth Branch, Feels ‘Scammed’.
19/09/2023, 3:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
These nowadays are common sight.
Wonder will government mandate all fan cai stalls to erect a price for each dish - so that customers won't be scammed by fan cai stall owners. <This message was edited>
19/09/2023, 3:07 pm - +~L: Really need to address the bias that the breadwinner is always Male. Maybe use the word Spouse, rather than Wife, as the dependent?
19/09/2023, 3:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This is quoting an example of a real family.
Not a diplomatic exercise.
19/09/2023, 3:10 pm - +~L: That's 100 trips per month per person, assuming 10c each trip. 7 people x 10c x 100 x 12. Certainly, a single earner supporting 7 dependents is tight. How would they not qualify for support?
19/09/2023, 3:11 pm - +Rama: Means testing is the culprit!
19/09/2023, 3:11 pm - +~L: Ok, but the wording gave no indication it was based on a real family. You wrote 'assuming'
19/09/2023, 3:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Asian people are less precise.
They don't want to reveal who they are.
19/09/2023, 3:13 pm - +~L: I have no idea why that is relevant.
19/09/2023, 3:14 pm - +~L: And if you want to be anonymous, why not write Spouse which is even more anonymous.
19/09/2023, 3:14 pm - +Frankie Wee: China unable to repay debt over the loss $900B hmmm but China can build more station and train 🚆 HSR and even wanted to sell Asia HSR each net worth billion dollars
19/09/2023, 3:14 pm - +Rama: Tongue in cheek!
19/09/2023, 3:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: China also asked Malaysia to discuss tender negotiations price
19/09/2023, 3:15 pm - +~L: It's important we all root out gender bais in our communication, for a fairer more balanced society for everyone.
19/09/2023, 3:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia has debt unaffordable
19/09/2023, 3:15 pm - +Rama: $900B!?
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: Debt $900B
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Rama: No reserves like us to fall back on!?
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: China is big failed but risk to take more
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Rama: Astounding close to one trillion!
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes
19/09/2023, 3:16 pm - +Rama: Typically their style
19/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/will-oil-hit-100-it-already-did-some-markets-2023-09-18/
19/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Rama: Yes
19/09/2023, 3:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: Wonder if it’s over dollars debt unable to solve then land sovereignty issue to bankrupt this county’s economy
19/09/2023, 3:18 pm - +Rama: 🤷♂️
19/09/2023, 3:22 pm - +Smiley face: Off balance sheets.
19/09/2023, 3:24 pm - +Smiley face: "too big to fail; too small to fall!"
19/09/2023, 3:24 pm - +Rama: Nice
19/09/2023, 3:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Government should look at the overall cost incur per household.
Then it will be a more accurate reflection of whether a household can manage the expenses and inflation Vis a Vis the price hikes on the various goods and services or not.
This is an extrapolation of yesterday cost of living study + today's public transport fare hike.
19/09/2023, 3:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Wait for 2024 budget what we receive voucher GST offset
19/09/2023, 3:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
A study reveals that the inflation rate experience by Singaporeans are about 5%.
But my spreadsheet tell me that the inflation rate I face is now stand at 9.6%.
19/09/2023, 3:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
My close friend comments: Someone recently asked if it's mandatory to display food prices too.
My comments : I think should.
My place here fan cai price varies very widely.
Even order the same dishes one week later can come out to different prices.
It is based on the mood of stall owners what price to charge.
19/09/2023, 3:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/updated-comirnaty-vaccine-against-covid-19-expected-in-s-pore-by-end-oct-janil-puthucheary
19/09/2023, 3:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: 🤦
19/09/2023, 3:57 pm - +~L: I'm totally ok with an annual updated covid vaccine all the while it's needed.
19/09/2023, 3:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: Unnecessary compulsory if not take
19/09/2023, 3:59 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
19/09/2023, 4:19 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Interestingly, the inflation rate of 9.6% I experience hit the real Basic Needs - affecting the wide spectrum of low income, middle income and upper income.
The items don't include luxurious vanity items like jewellery, perfume, overseas tours, cars or birkin, Hermes, Chanel bags.
19/09/2023, 4:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
_Categorisation of Monthly Expenses :-_
*A. Basic Needs*
1. Weekly supermarket groceries - big inflation
2. Weekend food - big inflation
3. Monthly Allowances to wife, parents, parent-in-law, (son when studying). - inflation
4. Medical expenses - inflation
5. Barber - no inflation
6. Mobile phone expenses - no inflation
7. Broadband and fixed phone expenses - no inflation
8. Electricity and water bill - big inflation
9. Town council, or conservancy charges or MSCT expenses - inflation
10. Property tax - inflation
11. Transport charges - MRT, Bus, Taxi, Private Hire - inflation
12. House minor repair or maintenance - inflation
13. Electrical appliances faulty replacement or repair. - inflation
14. Insurance premium, Medishield premium - inflation
15. CNY angpows - no inflation
16. Charity contribution - no inflation
17. Education, school fees and expenses (for those with children still studying) - inflation
18. Monthly housing loans, or Uni loans (if the loans and interest are not fully paid) - inflation
19/09/2023, 4:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Total 9.6% inflation.
19/09/2023, 4:31 pm - +Rama: Price validity period must be displayed for better clarity.
19/09/2023, 4:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Now most complain come from cai fang stalls - whether Chinese, Malays or Indian stalls.
Suka suka can anyhow charge.
This practice appears everywhere.
19/09/2023, 4:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
News article report such practices quite widespread.
19/09/2023, 4:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"Why are economical rice prices erratic? Redditors share 'horror stories', call for more transparency"
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/economical-rice-prices-2209991#:~:text=Why%20are%20economical%20rice%20prices%20erratic%3F%20Redditors%20share%20%27horror%20stories%27%2C%20call%20for%20more%20transparency
19/09/2023, 4:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/fish-cake-considered-meat-910-economy-rice-food-court-stuns-diner-food-republic-parkway-parade
Fish cake considered meat? $9.10 'cai fan' at food court stuns diner.
19/09/2023, 4:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/diner-pays-620-for-cai-png-in-eunos-coffee-shop-says-it-almost-feels-like-sitting-in
Diner pays $6.20 for cai png in Eunos coffee shop, says it 'almost feels like sitting in restaurant'.
19/09/2023, 4:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/15-cai-fan-miscalculation-koufu-says-after-diner-asked-why-vegetables-cost-more-meat-velocity-novena-square
$15 'cai fan' a miscalculation, Koufu says after diner asked why vegetables cost more than meat.
19/09/2023, 4:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: https://news.google.com/articles/CBMif2h0dHBzOi8vc3RvbXAuc3RyYWl0c3RpbWVzLmNvbS9zaW5nYXBvcmUtc2Vlbi9tYW4tYXBwYWxsZWQtYnktMTUtY2FpLXBuZy1mcm9tLW5vdmVuYS1mb29kLWNvdXJ0LXNheXMtaGUtd2FzLXNjb2xkZWQtZm9yLXdhbnRpbmfSAYMBaHR0cHM6Ly9zdG9tcC5zdHJhaXRzdGltZXMuY29tL3NpbmdhcG9yZS1zZWVuL21hbi1hcHBhbGxlZC1ieS0xNS1jYWktcG5nLWZyb20tbm92ZW5hLWZvb2QtY291cnQtc2F5cy1oZS13YXMtc2NvbGRlZC1mb3Itd2FudGluZz9hbXA?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen
Man appalled by $15 cai png from Novena food court, says he was 'scolded' for wanting receipt.
19/09/2023, 4:39 pm - +Rama: Fair trade competition price watchdog monitoring!
19/09/2023, 4:39 pm - +Rama: Cut throat rip off!
19/09/2023, 4:45 pm - +Frankie Wee: Most mall is air con expensive
Same like republic foods at Vivo city
19/09/2023, 4:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: Landlord want more money rental
Owner hardly to make profit from sell.
19/09/2023, 4:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: Also maintenance fees need to pay
19/09/2023, 4:47 pm - +Rama: This mentality of squeezing customers to offset their costs will drive their business to closure!
19/09/2023, 4:48 pm - +Rama: Must be reasonable
19/09/2023, 4:48 pm - +Frankie Wee: HDB heartland coffeeshop cheaper
19/09/2023, 4:48 pm - +Rama: Landlord will kill themselves in the end!
19/09/2023, 4:48 pm - +Rama: Rental yes but food! ?
19/09/2023, 4:49 pm - +Frankie Wee: I was used to setup at CQ start rental $2400 monthly after 4 years up $3700
19/09/2023, 4:49 pm - +Frankie Wee: So close down 🤦
19/09/2023, 4:50 pm - +Rama: Blood suckers!
19/09/2023, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: Foods is stable price make customer easy affordable but end profit can’t make it
19/09/2023, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: Loss $15k for 4 years
19/09/2023, 4:51 pm - +Rama: OMG!
19/09/2023, 4:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sorry not foods
For drink
19/09/2023, 4:51 pm - +Rama: Ok
19/09/2023, 4:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: If food stall will cost $4k to $5k
19/09/2023, 4:52 pm - +Frankie Wee: Then won’t recontract lease so all item order to removed
19/09/2023, 4:53 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Sure or not.
Now no $5, 6, 7 - can eat nothing.
19/09/2023, 4:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Since 2018
19/09/2023, 4:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Haha true. Depends on the server and how you dressed at what time you buy 🤔
19/09/2023, 4:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Renovations $4k to pay item and deposit landlord
19/09/2023, 4:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: Thats wonder why customer has right complaint overpriced foods stall
19/09/2023, 4:55 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah fish is $3 to $5 dlrs. Maybe we should concentrate on the suppliers
19/09/2023, 4:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: I think because of inflation
19/09/2023, 4:56 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Used to be big promfet $5 now it's half the size
19/09/2023, 4:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: Stall owner said
U pay it or refused pay report police
19/09/2023, 4:58 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. It's a legal transaction.
19/09/2023, 4:59 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Next time don't patronize it and prices will adjust
19/09/2023, 4:59 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Supply and demand
19/09/2023, 5:00 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I am surprised such practices can appear in Singapore.
I thought LKY put a stop to such practices many decades ago by mandating all food and good prices must be fixed and displayed.
Now these 2 to 3 years, such unethical practice come out again.
I only see such practices happen in developing countries and people haggle over the prices.
But now such ugly practice come out in Singapore - and no one doing anything about it.
19/09/2023, 5:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Need proof auditor to check margin profit take
19/09/2023, 5:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Auditor said it’s up to owner to increase price and make sure must show menu
19/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Rama: Report police!?
19/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes if customers refuse to pay
19/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Rama: Yes
19/09/2023, 5:02 pm - +Rama: Check price before orders!
19/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Frankie Wee: Before asking how much each dish.
Customer didn’t ask
19/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Rama: GCT/LHL sleeping on the job!?
19/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Frankie Wee: Start all of suddenly and fussy
19/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Rama: Customer at fault
19/09/2023, 5:03 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes
19/09/2023, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: September 19, 2023
"Every family has its own challenges? How about a country?"
"Policy is a course of action to solve a political problem. Policy formulation is a process in itself; it is conceived by public or private groups that develop strategies about political problems and executed by government officials who implement and act on policies as concrete plans ."
- - Harvard University
Is formulating policy the most difficult and complex job?
Will the right policy or the wrong policy be harshly criticized or will it receive a lot of public comment?
So what is consensus?
(Anonymity) is not here to praise the government or policies or insult or humiliate people. Give credit where credit is due!
There is no perfection, but we should strive for better or excellence! (imperfect world)
Perhaps a balanced view?
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19/09/2023, 5:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>
19/09/2023, 6:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
19/09/2023, 6:42 pm - +Smiley face: Fuel pump prices continue northwards, 95-octane petrol breaches $3
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/fuel-pump-prices-continue-northwards-95-octane-petrol-breaches-3
19/09/2023, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
19/09/2023, 6:58 pm - +Smiley face: 19 September, 2023
" Costs and Benefits of Public transport system"
"The economics of a Mass Public Transport system may not necessarily be highly profitable. The importance is to move people efficiently and the consequential benefits shall befall into many multiplier effects of a country's economic development! An uplifting of the standards of living for the population and convenience."
- - no name
Concept?
Any system of a large scale has its challenges, costs and benefits. By the means of creating a systematic Infrastructure to cater to the benefits of three millions of commuters with economic development at the same momentum creating multiples of sustainable economics activities from commercial to personal living spaces. It is either you build and continue to expand through calibrated and incremental growth or overgrowing or you stopped growing these existential national Infrastructures. All of these expansions and extensions of any system cost money to build and to sustain.
It is for the benefits of our future, continuing the relevance, and elevating the standards of living with manageable costs in mind.
Affordable?
Yes, it is not expensive for a Mass public transportation system like ours. Do the research on other developed countries the fares, the quality, the frequency and connectivity.
For Students and Seniors, you can opt to purchase a monthly Pass that costs $32/mth. A student pass should be cheaper! (students, seniors, low income families and workers, disabled people)
Perhaps our policymakers will look into this noble idea of cheaper fares for our vulnerable people including our Seniors and students who only means of transportion is either MRT or Buses or both or walk and take a public transport.
The past:
A true testament of our previous generations of leaders, their great foreights and today SG we are all proud of.
The future:
The complete MRT system into 2030 should have 300km of tracks connecting the entire SG township. That's a game changer and redefining any matured or any non-matured estate into ONE SG.
Today and tomorrow:
It doesn't matter if we fork out a little bit more! Why? More than three decades ago, people paid a higher price to build our MRT and they benefitted the convenience of moving around, from their homes to their workplaces! That's the meaning of ENABLE!
https://youtu.be/kXj1lKn0Wx4?si=QrphBy7lmHrNhGKN
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19/09/2023, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
19/09/2023, 6:59 pm - +Smiley face: And not to forget, a token of appreciation to President Ong, Min Mah, Min Khaw, the past Ministers and thousands of civil servants and workers by ensuring continuity and enduring the public scrutiny - Our Choo-Choo trains, Our MRT!
19/09/2023, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group
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