REACH 406 - What are your views on Singapore’s net zero target? How do you think you can contribute to Singapore’s efforts in achieving net-zero emissions by 2050?
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28 Oct 2022 (10am - 7pm)
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[9:50 am, 28/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
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[10:00 am, 28/10/2022] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the opening of the annual Singapore International Energy Week conference on Tuesday (Oct 25), Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong announced that Singapore will reach net-zero emissions by 2050 as part of its long-term low emissions development strategy. The Government had previously considered this target but has confirmed that it is on track to achieve net-zero by 2050.
DPM said Singapore has progressively cut its greenhouse gas emissions, achieving a reduction of 32 per cent below business-as-usual levels by 2020 to 52.8 million tonnes. This was double the 16 per cent reduction pledged in 2009, giving the Government the confidence to raise its climate ambition. He said achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will be a stretch target but a necessary one, and would involve electricity imports, solar energy, carbon offsets and other steps, such as hydrogen.
π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s net zero target? How do you think you can contribute to Singapore’s efforts in achieving net-zero emissions by 2050?
Singapore’s efforts and plans in achieving its net-zero target include:
π National hydrogen strategy
This strategy will provide a road map of how hydrogen can support Singapore’s decarbonisation efforts, and the steps taken to prepare Singapore for a hydrogen future. Singapore will experiment with the use of advanced hydrogen technologies as well as conduct research and development work to advance them further.
π Scaling up green finance
There are plans in the works to turn Singapore into a green financial centre, to effectively channel green capital towards the development of transition projects and climate change solutions around the region. This includes the push for financial innovations and solutions, and progress on data, disclosures and definitions.
π Decarbonising power sector
The nation would have approximately 2 gigawatt-peak of solar energy by 2030, which can power up to 350,000 households on a sunny day. This year, Singapore started importing hydroelectric power from Laos under the Laos-Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore Power Integration Project.
π Singapore’s built environment
Jurong Lake District will aim for all new developments to achieve net-zero emissions by around 2045. There will be a centralised district cooling network and all new developments will be required to be super low-energy or zero-energy buildings. The district will also be designed to be car-lite and support green mobility options such as cycling and electric vehicle buses.
π The public sector will peak emissions around 2025 and achieve net-zero emissions around 2045 under its sustainability movement, while new developments within the Jurong Lake District will reach net-zero emissions around 2045 too.
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/efforts-towards-net-zero-goal-start-from-individual-actions-dialogue-panellists
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/singapore-s-strategy-towards-net-zero
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-boosts-un-climate-targets-confirms-net-zero-by-2050
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/2-in-3-say-singapore-s-2050-net-zero-goal-not-sufficiently-ambitious-survey
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/low-carbon-hydrogen-could-supply-singapore-s-energy-needs-by-2050
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[11:10 am, 28/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors
We want to HEAR MORE from you!
π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s net zero target? How do you think you can contribute to Singapore’s efforts in achieving net-zero emissions by 2050?
We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan π
[11:11 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: 28 October, 2022
To: Our Distinguished Leaders and All Honorable Members
Good morning everyone!
"You create, you plant, you eat, you use, you throw, and nature will give it back to you!"
- - Anonymous
History background:
In 1789, the famous French chemist Antoine Lavoisier (1743-1794) once said, "neither created nor destroyed, it's an evolving ecosystem!" A single atom (carbon ) has always existed. It just changed from here to there! It is this simple yet powerful theory of quality and recycling and protecting our ecosystems today.
In 1976, the U.S. Congress passed the Resource Conservation and Recycling Act, increasing recycling and conservation efforts as waste became a bigger problem. It is estimated that the slogan "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" was b…
[11:14 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Let 2035 be the mid-point of checks and balances before 2050 arrives.
[11:16 am, 28/10/2022] +Grace: We need more green spaces in Singapore, so sad to see another mall again..
[11:18 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: What about Singapore forest π³?
Land going to building BTO and other industries. We have enough tree for Co2 breath?
[11:20 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/dJB2WAKqQ34
[11:23 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Grace, well said.
May I addon... thanks
Given the max of 730sqkm, the town planning game is getting trickier!
One Covid lesson is space. And Space happens to be a strategic asset in our context.
[11:26 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: My part in achieving minimum carbon footprint
1. Reduce driving and take public transport.
2. Drive effectively with a proper plan of the route in advance. Exploring which satellite positioning devices is best for computing the effective route in real-time.
3. Reduced air travel to minimise the carbon footprint, use virtual connect.
4. Doing laundry at batch conserved water and energy.
5. Installed smart IoT gadgets to manage energy consumption to prevent wastage.
6. Cook and eat at home and travel less outside to save carbon footprint.
7. Reduced the number to go shopping and buying bulk online during the discount periods.
8. Recycle, reuse and repair instead of buying new.
[11:26 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie, another good observation.
We need to grow trees. Trees comes in three broad sizes that is S, M, L .
Before we engage in planting trees, perhaps Npark will have to carefully designate where to plant those S (kecil) those M and those L (besar) trees.
Why it matters?
SAFETY, ease of removing and maintenance.
[11:29 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: How about converting PUBLIC/PRIVATE BUSES into ELECTRIC driven buses?
This public-private drivers will enable a big reduction in terms of carbon emissions.
Next comes the electricity Consumptions from households to work Place/workshop!
[11:31 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: How much money to drive these traditional BUSES into E-bus?
Multi billions dollars initiatives?
Can we afford it and if we can, what's the timeline to execute in phases? Hopefully by 2035?
[11:33 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: Electricity is use battery lifetime when expired need to replace how many batteries throw away recycle
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: Since u al say so much about recycle, reuse and redue
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Do we repair or replace appliances especially consumers thingies?
Are certain quantifiable goods that can be REUSED than throw into the Recycling system?
Where are the repair centers if there are some things that could perhaps be SAVED?
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: It’s just like a iPhone battery life 100% healthy later 10 years down 50% replacement battery
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: may i ask how much electitiy a HDB can consume ?
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: around 280KW a mnth to 320 KW
[11:34 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: Can consider using the individual solar panel and recharge gadgets in the home
[11:36 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: i see the landed install tower like eqv to 12 Motor units of normal Mtisubutshi i think they inside only 4 - 5 ppl and ewastage in companies etc so before say all these maybe they should think ?
[11:36 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: Recharge gadgets now don't need to go thru conventional lines. It is a bit slow but conserved carbon footprint on low-watt devices, including recharge power bank.
[11:36 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: How much a HDB ppl can save ?
[11:36 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: I would suggest E-Bus use railway electric without battery
[11:37 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: when we only use 300 KW when therich and imported elite use much more thus casuing supply and demand issue
[11:37 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: u see the market at 9 pm still open all fans at AMK
[11:37 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: If we start to recharge via a solar cells, the accumulated amount is significant.
[11:37 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_Singapore
[11:37 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What if the future of battery is composed of NA (salt)?
Both Lithium and Salt has one commonality that is Single Atom... referring to the Periodic elements Chart.
Salt is able to withstand up to 300c of heat unlike Lithium that will disintegrade once the temperature reaches 125c.
That's the Future of battery, Salt is a definite solution than Lithium which is a highly toxic to recycle or worse to dispose it.
[11:38 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: u see the companies in downtown is alllight up when no one in office unless for security reason
[11:39 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi SL, good point.
Solar lasted 12 to 13 hours depending on the lunar count.
Two, it needs a capacitor and storage facilities which can be gigantic and costly too.
Solar is great too! Thanks
[11:40 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: What if there less sun on mid year between July to Dec likely more rain.
[11:41 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi KL, well said!
How about our SCHOOLS, fully lighted days, weekends and months?
Especially these days the cost of Energy has gone up by 30% and can increase further?
[11:41 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: Using solar @ hdb need to follow the hdb (Common Property and Open Spaces) rules. There are advanced solar cell devices to use within the hdb unit.
[11:41 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: u go see thomson area alot of those Mitshibuti tower units
[11:42 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: u go AMK and some market fan turn on till late evening unless is washing floor
[11:42 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Frankie, thanks...
Bingo!
How about rainy days and cloudy days.
Btw, isn't heavy rain will be the norm too? Aka CLIMATE CHANGE AND UNPREDICTABLE WEATHER PATTERNS, THIS WORLD NOW!
[11:42 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: unless for finance i will give them a chance cos they scare got robber so they never swtich off .
[11:43 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: Solar panel installation outside the hdb unit needs to apply approval from authority.
[11:43 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: EMA licensed
[11:43 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: NOt possible as solar need to til to some degree and if drop how ?
[11:43 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: three days wind four days rain ( in Hokkien - δΈε€©ι£ε倩ι¨)
[11:44 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: Sg HDB is too close to have fuull expose of sunlight so only roof top
[11:45 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: That's why SUN CABLE in Australia will be our driver for renewable and sustainable energy!
[11:45 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Lacking capacity and Cannot sustain households of 500 people for 12 hours consumption too.
[11:47 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Sun Cable is the answer into 2035 and further!
Just like Newater plants, desalination plants and PUB drainage system.
Simply, we are tapping all Water to use. That's a survival strategy!
[11:48 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: Actually this have another hidden issue in long run as not related to this opic i wont bring up got chance than say
[11:48 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: It took PUB more than 2 decades to systemize our drainages from lonkang to river! That's scaling in play.
[11:49 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: but still flooding lol
[11:49 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Let's leave NO STONES unturn...
Bring it up, thanks
[11:49 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: not related :D
[11:50 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Akan datang....DEEP TUNNELING will solve it
[11:50 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: in fact deep tunnel caus more flooding
[11:50 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: cos underground water capcity will drop
[11:50 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Example is sewage, deep TUNNELING at 60m down, big diameter too....
[11:51 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: as now sg seal up all the river thus all water in the soil cant let out into the sea
[11:51 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Channel to elsewhere.....like a MRT is a people mover, these tunnels are waste and Water movers
[11:52 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: thus now we face high surface run off and water cant let into sea or absord into the ground
[11:52 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Wait....
[11:52 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: but i not a prof in geography so bteer ask those who know :D
[11:53 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: i see after tunneling in AMK i ssee ponding on road
[11:54 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: It depended on the sunrise and sunset direction and exposed area in the hdb unit
[11:54 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Antoine Lavoisier (1743-1794) once said, "neither created nor destroyed,
It means 10cm of rainfall, this 10cm will not disappear.
Either you use it or you contain it to be used later on.
Nor nothing is created or destroyed.
It applies to consumers goods, foods etc
[11:55 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: An issue of symmetry or asymmetry
[11:55 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: It's depended on which type of panel and devices.
[11:55 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: most HDB will build face north or south
[11:55 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: As no one will want o buy face west right u think u like jounery to the west
[11:56 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: if build east mean behind face west ur egg will smell in 2 days
[11:56 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: if u dont believe look at your block :D
[11:57 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What if the future rise in Sea level?
You transport the sea/river water to elsewhere into a DEEP & BIG 'pond'.
What's the byproduct of desalination? Na
[11:58 am, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Wind factor and Natural ventilation matter most...
One lesson from covid.
[11:58 am, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: Build on top roof flat we can when ready rising level.
[11:58 am, 28/10/2022] +KL: u know west no wind ?
[11:58 am, 28/10/2022] +SL: Also whether thin film or polycrystalline panel use for the device. Don't see monocrystalline panel designed for high rise indoor use.
[0:00 pm, 28/10/2022] +Noraini: Basic nursery hdb rooftop. Town council ? to manage the small garden
[0:01 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: water tank how ?
[0:02 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i foresee sg will build HDB like whose in AMK 30- 40 stoery and with 4 water tank at most on top of the water tank have solar panel
[0:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi SL, good point. Thanks
Is Poly or mono better?
For the sake of heat absorbing, poly?
Are these Green materials?
How about using poly or cubic microchips configurations?
[0:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: they will lock up cos for security reason
[0:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: By the year 2100 level sea will rising
[0:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: not something i should waoory
[0:04 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Sad to say, much much earlier.
All because of unpredictable Himalayans and the polar ice sheets....
[0:04 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Rooftop belong to hdb if I am correct.
[0:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: The best option is to build water barrier like nether land i se sg doing it at changi V to east coast
[0:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: so nothing can add on liao
[0:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: If the flat is collapsed by sea level due to floor become muddy. Our flat already destroy.
[0:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What if SINGAPORE will experience HEAVIEST RAINFALLS say out of 364 days....the rainy days is 25%-28% probability of occurance?
[0:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Most SG flat is close to 50 years so by 2050 all need to rebuild liao as current conrete is not made to withstad 100 years
[0:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: You got it...
Lavoisier said...100cm of Water= 100 cm of groundwater
Thanks
[0:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: if u say roman concrete is not current modern concreted
[0:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: Can we have more community veggies instead of ornamental plants?
[0:07 pm, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: Wonder HDB maybe change 50 years lease instead 99 years otherwise save cost
[0:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: By Building Dykes will not solve rising tides...
Lunar count and moon these days are not that 'stable' too!
Supermoon, blood moon eclipses....
[0:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: u spent so much money to build and torn 50 years lol
[0:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Makes some sense in terms of values, allocations, Sustainability and investments.
[0:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Is HDb mean for invesment ?
[0:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: omG
[0:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: Yes it’s like buy use investment
[0:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Today topic is recycle
[0:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Btw one qns why no one say SG car is wasterful only last 10 years ?
[0:12 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What's the depth
of Semakau land mass, surround Water depth?
[0:15 pm, 28/10/2022] +L or BL: Transition to Electric Vehicles. Boost our water, wind, sun power capability. Ban all non biodegrable disposable plastics. Figure out how to use the warm air from air-con to heat water. Stop Malls being so cold.
[0:17 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s net zero target? How do you think you can contribute to Singapore’s efforts in achieving net-zero emissions by 2050?
[0:20 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i dont think i can do more :D , sleep on the floor no need aircon , no need fan no need bed. walk to buy gocceries , dont go out unneccassry
[0:20 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: no car cos too expensive
[0:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: I think we just need to live with balance, without extremes... history teaches us about yin and yang
[0:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Agree wanted to write this to econmics forum , but later make a laugthing stock lol
[0:22 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. To achieve net zero carbon emissions - we have to first address the source of carbon emission, the root cause which are oil, petrol and high carbon gas - as fuel for energy and electricity.
2. Thus the solutions will be to source for low or green carbon emission fuel to generate energy and electricity.
3. In addition, consumers need constantly monitor their energy usage to prevent overconsumption of electricity by daily monitoring of their electrical meter.
Notice that many meter are still analogue and need to physically photo the meter readers.
If government take step to make the household IoT - then household can remotely monitor the IoT via internet using our smartphone or laptop as it is IP based - and can regulate our electricity usage.
Household can submit their meter reading for month end billing as well.
4. Currently our service provider need to buy our fuel, oil and natural gas from the open market which are subjected to price fluctuations as price and output are set by OPEC - where we have little control.
5. Hence actively transforming to green and sustainable energy can achieve the following goals:-
a. Low carbon emission and thus prevent adverse global climate.
b. Using green energy can lift ourselves out of oil, petrol and natural gas that are subjected to price and output fixing by OPEC.
6. Hence looking at natural elements that are free, abundant and unlimited supply to us such as water, sun, matter etc. become important.
[0:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: like i always say optimal is the key
[0:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Actually a solar panel need how much energy to made did any one know ?
[0:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Extend usage for many daily electronic tools unless it's totally unable?
[0:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i buy a LED light for 19.90 saving will only come in around the 5 year base on today 0.31 cent per KW/H
[0:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Likewise for solar panellings, the RECOVERY of such investment takes time.
[0:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i buy a floursent light 4.90 also ard 5 years saving is 8 w per hours , i have to buy new ceiling light shell
[0:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: in tern of energy and material i see is same
[0:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Dollars and Sense
[0:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: cos i have to dismantal the metal
[0:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: It's about recovery and recovering
[0:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: if we incorp in there is not much saving
[0:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: This Green ways is a total new ways and concepts that cut across our lives and into our livelihoods!
[0:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Dependencies are high; Monocrystalline panel only got ~20% effectiveness. The rest is lower than this rate.
[0:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: the energy use to make the solar panel
[0:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i wonder did anyone cal this
[0:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: The US nuclear council is turning into 'new nuclear' energy... that's latest thinking
[0:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Nothing created nor destroyed...
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: Actually, low tech is more high tech...
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Not sure evaluation was done on this, as we are end users, hence not counting from production right?
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Hahaha
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: See
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: when i change my LED light i incrop everything in
[0:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Grace, your reversal thinking....very good and refreshing too!
Uncommon thinking
[0:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Sleep on the floor no need aircon and fan
[0:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: maybe will catch a cold thou
[0:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: That is referring to fusion, USA and China are leading this type of generators if I m not wrong
[0:31 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Back to Kampong days... will try to change this lifestyle.
What if hot day and nite comes?
[0:31 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: In r&d
[0:31 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Already done, GE USA
[0:32 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: There is a lot of wisdom in simplicity
[0:33 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: VERY good, Grace! Thanks!
Unconventional thinkings will solve complex issues...
Using complexity to solve complex problems?
[0:33 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: https://theconversation.com/low-technology-why-sustainability-doesnt-have-to-depend-on-high-tech-solutions-176611
[0:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i not a nuclear scienitct but as far as i read to hold the plasma using managet is using alot more energy thus not feasible . if u read up u know the details which when i was in high schoool i read alot in this topic but gave up . If u read clearly u may have aa soln in long run
[0:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210810-the-ancient-persian-way-to-keep-cool
[0:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: I am too old and poor to dream =)
[0:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: betteer do more delivery :D
[0:35 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
The green and sustainable energy solutions we can explore are:-
1. Hydrogen gas that are now commercially viable.
Hydrogen gas are derived from electrolysis of splitting water H2O into hydrogen elements and oxygen elements by introducing electrical current with electrodes.
But electric current needs fuel - and I think we have managed to find and use ammonia as the energy source to make production of hydrogen gas, storage and transport commercially viable.
Seawater as our fuel is abundant and unlimited in Singapore as we are surrounded by sea.
b. Solar energy that uses sun, another unlimited fuel - will be also advantages to Singapore.
However, solar energy that uses solar cell and solar panels - are not so reliable as sun, rain and cloud can affect the performance of producing reliable energy.
3. Geothermal which we can dig deep into our earth to discover heat to generate electricity - as hot region when using thermoelectric device or conductor to cold region can trigger electron movement to produce electricity.
Earth we have supply but quite limited due to our small land space.
4. The more controversial issue is exploring safe nuclear energy - specifically nuclear fusion to create an artificial sun - to provide unlimited supply of energy and electricity.
Later will talk about nucleus fusion and why it is a safe and unlimited source of energy.
[0:35 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Nuclear Fusion
1. Traditional nuclear reactor uses nuclear fission - breaking down of nucleus into smaller nucleus that will produce heat. Heat in turn produce electricity - when introduce into thermo-electric devices from hot to cold region - as electron are charge to produce electricity.
But nuclear fission when breaking down of nucleus atom, into smaller nuclei will in addition to generate heat - also produce radioactive waste that will cause radiation which is harmful to health.
2. Nuclear fusion on the other hand, is merging of 2 or more hydrogen nucleus into a bigger helium nucleus - and by doing so generate heat to produce electricity.
3. As nucleus has electrostatic charges that are repulsive in nature - and will not fused together - hydrogen nucleus will have to be heated at very high temperature - up to 100 million degree celsius to form a "plasma state" for the hydrogen nucleus to merge and fuse into a larger helium nucleus.
Plasma state is the 4th state - other than matter, liquid and gas.
4. To maintain the plasma state at such a high temperature, it will melt any container that holds the plasma.
Hence a doughnut shape containment introduced with strong magnetic field to ensure limited movement of the plasma in the doughnut containment without touching the wall of the containment will be required to prevent melting due to the high temperature.
5. Plasma state is like the nature of a Sun - hence nuclear fusion is operating like an "artificial sun".
6. Nuclear fusion unlike nuclear fission, will produce negligible radioactive waste that can decomposed more rapidly than nuclear fission.
In addition, the fuel of nuclear fission come from unlimited H20 - water - whereby Deuterium - is the isotope of hydrogen found in seawater.
7. The only problem is the energy required to achieve a temperature of 100 million degree celsius to achieve nucleus fusion in a plasma state like a "sun" will make it very costly.
8. High power Laser beam is one avenue that can be explored to produce the high temperature through compressing and heating the fuel (H20) for hydrogen nucleus to reach a plasma state for them to fuse - by overcoming their electrostatic repulse state - to produce heat to generate electricity - through hot region to cold region from a thermoelectic conductor - whereby electron move to produce electricity.
9. Nuclear fusion is safe and not dangerous - even by explosion, terrorism or natural disaster - as if the nuclear reactor is damaged and cannot hold the hot plasma, the plasma will expand and cool down instead of exploding.
[0:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: HDB so expensive already preapre to sleep underbride in future
[0:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +Grace: Sustainable, biodegradable, healthy, natural and 'got aroma'! ππ€ͺ
[0:39 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
10. Another reason why we need to explore nuclear energy is because of security.
With proliferation of nuclear threat around the world, we need to develop the capability and expertise of producing nuclear power in case the need arises.
[0:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Singapore exploring hybrid energy generation system that taps wind, solar and tidal energy
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-exploring-hybrid-energy-generation-system-that-taps-wind-solar-and-tidal-energy
[0:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: SHould have a lowest carbon competition like ask few ppl say in a place i thin k i may win :D
[0:43 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: putting fire cracker under ur bed will make u safe ?
[0:43 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: One terror attacks or mishap, bye bye this red dot?
risky or taking risks?
[0:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Rama: Not supporting Singapore going nuclear!
[0:45 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: One sitting clear and clean nuclear duck...? Strategic target in the making?
[0:45 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. To summarise, to achieve net zero emissions, we need to:-
a. Use green and sustainable energy and fuel.
b. Household need to prevent overconsumption.
c. Urban green design will go a long way to ensure household and business will not overconsume green energy.
[0:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: actually fusion also cause radiation just that not so much only
[0:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: as long got heat and chemical reaction riadiation is there
[0:46 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Indonesia exploring nuclear energy.
[0:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: if they attack us, the nuclear clouds will infect them too. Win win
[0:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What's the cost and subsidies given to transit into theses new and Green ways?
It cost Money!
[0:47 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: I thought we are exploring wave technology?
[0:47 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Of course your enemy don't reside besides you...they come far away! Unless you don't have enemy?
[0:48 pm, 28/10/2022] +Wai Xin: District cooling is being rolled out in many new developments. Hopefully one day the cooling system can be retrofitted into older estates, and hot water supply can also be centralized. Since water heaters and air conditioners are two fairly high-power appliances at home, maybe doing so can improve on the energy efficiency.
[0:48 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: U must see ur land mass
[0:49 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/08/26/nuclear-fusion-technology-climate-change/
[0:49 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: During Marcos Senior era, the Housing initiative overtook this Nuk thing....a bit of history...
Now, will Marcos Jr do it or he will pursue his father's legacy of building homes?
[0:50 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: I read before it not actaually effective . not sure same thing or not
[0:50 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: This new nuk thing will be safer than the flammable petroleum!
Think of this Paradigm shift of SAFETY and so on...
[0:51 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: cos if all in office and u alone int he block u actually spent more energy
[0:52 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: One byproduct of hydrogen energy is H2O...
[0:52 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Actually exploding gas plant, hydrogen plant emit toxic gas and form toxic cloud.
Why people don't make noise?
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: yes i agress but it only last short time than nuclear
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: it's risk and return. how often will it happened versus calamity
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Nuclear hald life is 12500 years
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Toyota and Hyundai cars besides batteries will be hydrogen driven
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: look at the aircraft carriers they using it for many years.
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: it last 20 years if i not worng
[0:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: nuclear powered aircraft carriers
[0:54 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Ukraine lesson, they have Nuk plants and the world is worried over these targets?
[0:54 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Sun in plasma state emit UV light harmful to people.
Nucleus fusion of water elements hydrogen nucleus fusion to produce helium nucleus - like plasma sun.
[0:55 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Ukraine is nuclear fission.
I talk about nuclear fusion.
Nuclear fission produce radioactive waste.
Nuclear fusion produce very little waste like Sun - hence artificial sun.
[0:55 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: risk and returns balancing act that they government has to consider. Ukraine is threaten, if there is no war, all is okay and happily generating
[0:57 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
If I remove the world nuclear fusion - but just say fusion to create artificial sun - will it be better?
Is sun dangerous?
[0:59 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Explode a fusion plant - means plasma flow out - not nuclear radioactive - is this safer than toxic gas from gas or fuel plant explosion?
[1:00 pm, 28/10/2022] +Jimmy Chew: we have brilliant minds, our MPs, so there should be good reason why they are using the alternative options. They did excellently in opening of our borders which bring us ahead
[1:02 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Technology still way behind.. implementation cost is still too high..
Current hydrogen is only from grey source green source still can’t be possible due to high price
[1:02 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Nuclear implementations is a easier hence was consider and no need much change to infrastructure.
[1:02 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: But risk is there
[1:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: This one.. recent few years there is advances but how stable not sure. Remember there is some country trying this technology. But not so sure the outcome
[1:04 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
All current nuclear reactors are dangerous because they use nuclear fission - breaking down of nucleus into subatomic state - creating nuclear radioactive waste.
Whether nuclear plants or reactors, or nuclear aircraft carriers.
Hence explode very dangerous.
But if in future we develop "artificial sun" through fusion of hydrogen nucleus from water isotope that doesn't produce or negligible waste - through plasma state like Sun.
[1:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60312633.amp
[1:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Ken, Good point.
Where are the skills, talents and experienced in playing this new nuk?
Where are the nuk scientists and engineers?
Lastly, 'ransom' is another consideration?
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3196825/chinese-scientists-hail-important-step-towards-nuclear-fusion-artificial-sun
Chinese scientists hail ‘important step’ towards nuclear fusion from ‘artificial sun’.
Researchers working on the HL-2M reactor in Sichuan say they have generated enough power to meet two key requirements for a working reactor.
The technology could provide a long-term solution to the world’s energy needs by generating power without producing nuclear waste.
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Takes one to two generations to train…
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/HfnJm7WjOcs
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: But if we don’t start there won’t be any to begin with π€·π»♂️
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: 1 gen is 20 years in the making...
[1:06 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Singapore target is 2050.
[1:07 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Actually last time i very interested in this . but u know in 2004 things change
[1:07 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Obviously we need foreign talent for that lol
[1:07 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: btw to know the abv u may need a LAC if i not wrong
[1:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Must import overseas talents to start planning... btw it takes 1 decade to commission 1 new Nuk plant.
[1:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: if not no one will tell u the speed of neutron to cause the split
[1:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Cheap but no place to top up will be the issue π and cost of hydrogen is not cheap currently
[1:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Sg do not have the space or tech to do that
[1:08 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: New generation reactors are already smaller
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Likewise for electric grid and implementation.
It all cost a lot of money to grid and this case to fill up hydrogen.
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: And there is “disposable” reactors. That are enclosed develop already
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: do u know the speed of neutron to cause the split
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Building and commissioning, two games
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: to know this u need another equipemnt
[1:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Nope not nuclear scientist π¨π¬
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i also dont know dont worry
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: How would I know lol.. not interested but only watch some documentary
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Where is the ideal locale?
Ubin or tekong?
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: u need a lot of fresh water as well
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Tekong possible lol
[1:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: u cant cool it with seawater
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: fresgh water is a moderator
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: But also means the wildlife there gg lol.. around the output area becomes a dead zone
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: No issue...
Microchip production uses lots of super clean water to wafer
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: as well
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Sun Cable.
[1:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Still making right? When live?
[1:12 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: i perfer sun cable :D
[1:14 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Not enough..
[1:14 pm, 28/10/2022] +Boon: The aspiration is good and we should contribute to global efforts to manage climate changes. However, we also need to understand how we plan to hit this goals, and for some details least it backfires on everyday lives like with higher costs or greater inconveniences to drop our standard of living. Like how zealous planning to be Green can backfire in other countries now. For example, from now to 2050, what does this target mean for Singapore Oil & Gas industry, companies and people who work there? What about for high tech industries that needs cold rooms like Pharmaceutical? Would it get translated into carbon taxes for everyday activities like use of cars?
[1:14 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Cannot totally relied on it… as it is so far π
[1:15 pm, 28/10/2022] +Boon: For Green Finance, it should not mean that SG SMEs and Fintechs that cannot afford to be Green or spend time to report on their "Greenness" will ironically face higher costs of financing or be deprived of financing...
[1:15 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: People will have to reskill, expect many people to change and switch over time. Carbon tax already pushing some to leave
[1:19 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
There.
You also got it.
No nuclear waste.
Only plasma. Safer than toxic gas.
So cannot understand why boycott nuclear fusion, the artificial sun?
Sun we use it since we are born, dangerous meh π€???
[1:20 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Technologically still not possible…
[1:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Sun far away and at your backyard a bit different π
[1:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Maybe in our lifetime possible… not sure
[1:21 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Target 2050.
[1:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Nuclear possible.. fusion don’t think so
[1:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: The last few years.. after the Japanese nuclear incident.. the nuclear industry was push backward. So development was much slowly
[1:23 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
China and EU and USA - have some success in nuclear fusion - but still costly.
[1:23 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Waiting for the world to adopt it back takes time.. unless oil price can go up further lol
[1:23 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
This one is nuclear fission not fusion.
[1:23 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Issue bonds?
Recalled Y2K, did computer crashed? One thing was confirmed, millions of computer sold and quickly ungraded their OS, MS won that battle!
[1:23 pm, 28/10/2022] +Boon: Say for a person in oil and gas with 10 years experience now - to change to another job can mean starting from more junior positions. Agreed! Re-skillling is important but will a new employer pays someone new to the industry even though he/she has 10 years of other industry experience? Can we/MOM understand and promote greater tolerance of people without relevant experience who needs to look for jobs in other industry? But, will this sort of "migration" lead to dilution of experiences in the target industries, impacting overall competitiveness?
[1:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/General-Atomics-announces-concept-for-Fusion-Pilot
[1:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +Frankie Wee: EP very smart and skill their 30 times ($1000 per)
[1:24 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Yes US nuclear fusion successful.
[1:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: https://amp.scmp.com/business/article/3197243/uk-fusion-energy-firm-tokamak-eyes-hong-kong-one-potential-funding-source-help-it-develop-its-zero
[1:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Boon, great analogy, thanks.
Relevancy, structural unemployment and quality of work. JUST three variables to enable towards parity, aka transited and implemented?
[1:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: I am from oil and gas π
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
UK nuclear fusion also successful.
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Not always green and no such thing as forever job nowadays… that’s how I think.. so just keep learning and be competitive lor
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
One day, may have to upgrade to do sustainable energy.
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: It use H3 ? i thgt H3 is Ex
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Ken, relevant sector!
Shell has invested over 200 vessels from oil to LNG carriers.
How to decommission this Oil boys?
[1:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Hence learning data analytics π€£
[1:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: H3 not easy to produce
[1:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: In case in need to change next time
[1:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: When tax high enough… we can be storage.. and processing that product little to no waste then possible to be still here
[1:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Those are higher tech
[1:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: I am downstream of oil and gas. Waste is less than 1% (plastic industry)
[1:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Based on tonnage produce
[1:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Importantly, these Petroleum byproducts are crucial to many sectors....
[1:29 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: The higher the Octane, the More these byproducts will derive...
[1:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Secondary petroleum industries then you can earn the margin. Based industry margin is low. Is more volume which we sometimes cannot compete as other catch up.
[1:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: The transformation from main gasoline to advance chemical, green plastic and carbon-related product such as artificial diamonds for industry usage.
[1:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Volume game, got it! Thanks
[1:31 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Lithography tech.
[1:31 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: We don’t have land for storage.. π
If we go for storage we can’t compete overall.
[1:32 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: This is in hands of japan and US. (Photo resist chemical)
[1:32 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Lens in Japan and Germany
[1:32 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Too far away… and unlikely they will allowed such high tech outside of their countries
[1:33 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: You got it.... deep TUNNELING storages.....
[1:33 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Lol big bomb underground π π
[1:33 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Japanese are very good!
[1:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Bo pian aka no Choice....hi Ken! Thanks
[1:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: So many years ahead of us… π
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: I am from Japanese firm…
Some tech remains in their hands.. don’t share or they keep advance knowledge within a small group
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: oil and gas advance refinery and conversion
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Mainly explain and documents all in Japanese lol how you learn?
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: They wrote in japanese for a reason lol
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Another point...
When Russia holding 70% of Lithium follows by China procument process.... what's the future of batteries?
[1:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: that also explain they not forgeiner friendly
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: know as language wall
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Smart to protect themselves
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: I agree as it not easy to product a expert plus the langues
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: There is development to other materials
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Arigato! KL, you got it! Thanks
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Continue R&D till good storage found
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: To reduce the need for higher lithium
[1:36 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: if i a engineer i may not undertsand the reading
[1:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: like encrption and even u come across u may not know
[1:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: R&D needs time and burning money...
[1:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Salt based battery tech
[1:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: it double protection plus the whole plan is noramlly split into 2 or 3
[1:38 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Many types developing molten salt is for power plant application
[1:38 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Also used in fusion reactors
[1:39 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: One reason why car battery expires before two years....the extreme engine heat under the bonnet causes the expansion and contraction of the reactor plates...
[1:39 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: The need for transport cannot use molten salt Lar… haven’t reach that level
[1:39 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Micro scale into mobile battery...
[1:40 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: That one using another kind.. developing phosphate based and others… too many cannot finish reading
[1:40 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: An intermediary reactor aka compressor to pressure the temperature of Salt
[1:40 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: R&D and if success, it will be a cash cow boosting economy
[1:40 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Looking for alternatives to rare metal for battery
[1:41 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Go Bacelona, they are researching in depth this Na
[1:41 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Very very hard… hence Singapore already moving out of basic research..
[1:41 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Ask Elon to extract from Mars or Moon...
[1:41 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: More translation is better KPI
[1:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Basic research how many people can see the value.. extract from it takes decades to find usable applications
[1:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Too busy with twitter now
[1:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: π€£π€£
[1:43 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Elon is a multi tasker! Multi dimensional thinker!
[1:43 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Crazy and genius is a very fine line π€£π€£
[1:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Bacelona has actual plant
[1:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Testing or commercial?
[1:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Starlings, anti gravity propulsion, sustainable space trips.etc
[1:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +KL: Testing only .
[1:45 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Sizeable plant not Lab.
[1:45 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Starlings so far still fail… lol.. wait till they regulate space then he will have a hard time
[1:45 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: When can supply to cities then Singapore will consider for now… too early too know if feasible
[1:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Go read some already failed.. like the boring company
[1:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Solar tile roof review was bad
[1:49 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Fail due to lack of storage + roof angle issue and area covered?
[1:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Implementation is not cheap..
[1:53 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Anyway companies in Singapore are adopting another model for solar roof.. but not from Tesla lol…
[1:54 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: https://www.sembcorpenergy.com.sg/business/energy-solutions/solar/solarplot/
[1:55 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: For residents a bit useless for Singapore cause we are mostly HDB.
HDB are considering such model. But reduce operating cost we don’t benefit from the implementation π
[1:56 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: See long term
[1:57 pm, 28/10/2022] +Boon: We should also ask - if we install Solar panels, how long do they last and how do they get recycled? It can't be that we try to achieve Net Zero (climate/gas) while polluting the land with landfills...
[2:13 pm, 28/10/2022] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the opening of the annual Singapore International Energy Week conference on Tuesday (Oct 25), Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong announced that Singapore will reach net-zero emissions by 2050 as part of its long-term low emissions development strategy. The Government had previously considered this target but has confirmed that it is on track to achieve net-zero by 2050.
DPM said Singapore has progressively cut its greenhouse gas emissions, achieving a reduction of 32 per cent below business-as-usual levels by 2020 to 52.8 million tonnes. This was double the 16 per cent reduction pledged in 2009, giving the Government the confidence to raise its climate ambition. He said achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will be a stretch target but a nece…
[2:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +Uncle Law: I think not easy to achieve net zero given the density of Singapore
[2:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +Uncle Law: Important to educate the future generations from young
[2:23 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Great question.. for now recycling not so easy… forgot watch it somewhere… as the solar encapsulation is still plastic so life span is not super high as well..
[2:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Quick search is 20 to 30 years…
[2:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: But technology advances much faster… sometimes it is better to change newer version for better yield
[2:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Solar only generate electricity in the day.. on rainy days, traditional power source would have to ramp up to cover for day that are not sunny.
[2:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: So technology advance in power management need to be better in order to tap on solar for feasibility study as well
[2:38 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Technology plays a crucial part in zero-emission and reducing carbon footprint. I don't think we want to go back old-day method of managing the environment. I see it as high tech in conserving and protecting this planet is inevitable.
[2:39 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Totally switch is not possible.. more hybrid would be more cost effective and stable
[2:40 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: I agreed. It takes time and effort to achieve it without jeopardizing the quality of living.
[2:41 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Singapore water approach is unthinkable but made possible… think that is one of the impossible feat that Singapore achieve that as singaporean I am proud
[2:42 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Never need to worry about turn off the tap from our neighbour
[3:21 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Revolutionary technique to generate hydrogen more efficiently from water - by NUS research scientists.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMzK-0T8PX6Ahy6uAHoyvxUqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowpbDpAzCm_hwwgPDGBg?uo=CAUiANIBAA&hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen
[4:01 pm, 28/10/2022] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the opening of the annual Singapore International Energy Week conference on Tuesday (Oct 25), Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong announced that Singapore will reach net-zero emissions by 2050 as part of its long-term low emissions development strategy. The Government had previously considered this target but has confirmed that it is on track to achieve net-zero by 2050.
DPM said Singapore has progressively cut its greenhouse gas emissions, achieving a reduction of 32 per cent below business-as-usual levels by 2020 to 52.8 million tonnes. This was double the 16 per cent reduction pledged in 2009, giving the Government the confidence to raise its climate ambition. He said achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will be a stretch target but a necessary one, and would involve electricity imports, solar energy, carbon offsets and other steps, such as hydrogen.
π¬ What are your views on Singapore’s net zero target? How do you think you can contribute to Singapore’s efforts in achieving net-zero emissions by 2050?
Singapore’s efforts and plans in achieving its net-zero target include:
π National hydrogen strategy
This strategy will provide a road map of how hydrogen can support Singapore’s decarbonisation efforts, and the steps taken to prepare Singapore for a hydrogen future. Singapore will experiment with the use of advanced hydrogen technologies as well as conduct research and development work to advance them further.
π Scaling up green finance
There are plans in the works to turn Singapore into a green financial centre, to effectively channel green capital towards the development of transition projects and climate change solutions around the region. This includes the push for financial innovations and solutions, and progress on data, disclosures and definitions.
π Decarbonising power sector
The nation would have approximately 2 gigawatt-peak of solar energy by 2030, which can power up to 350,000 households on a sunny day. This year, Singapore started importing hydroelectric power from Laos under the Laos-Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore Power Integration Project.
π Singapore’s built environment
Jurong Lake District will aim for all new developments to achieve net-zero emissions by around 2045. There will be a centralised district cooling network and all new developments will be required to be super low-energy or zero-energy buildings. The district will also be designed to be car-lite and support green mobility options such as cycling and electric vehicle buses.
π The public sector will peak emissions around 2025 and achieve net-zero emissions around 2045 under its sustainability movement, while new developments within the Jurong Lake District will reach net-zero emissions around 2045 too.
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/efforts-towards-net-zero-goal-start-from-individual-actions-dialogue-panellists
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/singapore-s-strategy-towards-net-zero
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-boosts-un-climate-targets-confirms-net-zero-by-2050
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/2-in-3-say-singapore-s-2050-net-zero-goal-not-sufficiently-ambitious-survey
ππΌ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/low-carbon-hydrogen-could-supply-singapore-s-energy-needs-by-2050
[4:02 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Very interesting indeed lol… who would have thought light affects yield in electrolysis.
After so many years…
[4:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Meaning people are not observant enough during experiments and assume lots of stuff. Kudos to the team that actual study the failure and found new discovery
[4:04 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Singapore NUS and NTU are 2 top grade research bodies in various fields.
1st and 2nd in the world.
Even beating ivy League university.
[4:05 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Often mistakes are not mistakes just waiting for people to find out. Not often such mistake can lead to discoveries as we might not understand it enough to analyse the data.
[4:05 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
No need to study abroad as NTU ranks 1st in the world in five subjects, debuts at no. 2 in AI.
https://vulcanpost.com/807146/no-need-to-study-abroad-as-ntu-ranks-1st-in-the-world-in-five-subjects-debuts-at-no-2-in-ai/
[4:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Ranking keep changing… but yeah we pay enough for too professors to be in Singapore
[4:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Top”
[4:09 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Singapore use to be top in water for NUS
[4:09 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
And produce credible research scientists and students.
[4:10 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Lol also have scandal π€£ if you in research you know
[4:10 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Hmm...
No information, no comments....
[4:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/ntu-revokes-former-astar-scientists-phd-for-doctoring-data-in-research-studies
[4:11 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Probably one or two.
[4:12 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Actually quite common in research π the stress to perform is there… even expert sometime cannot catch… cause sometime just too new.
[4:13 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.14974
[4:14 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Those scientist are shamed… as they wasted many labs resource try to repeat and forward the field.
[4:20 pm, 28/10/2022] +Rama: Government has to look into this nonsense being approved!π³π€¦♂️π
[4:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: It’s normal… science is tough… even expert get scam… so what for MOE approved? Lol
[4:21 pm, 28/10/2022] +Rama: No shame whatsoever!
[4:21 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Research don't normally produce 100% successful products.
The failure rate sometimes can be quite high.
But the failure could be a springboard for future success.
Of course unnecessary wastage should be avoided if possible.
But some cut are usually granted + because r&d is meant to explore to produce something not discovered or invented by mankind.
[4:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Someone suicided from the list of names… most unable to find work after the news π
[4:22 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
But falsification of data is a no-no.
[4:23 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
In r&d 50% success rate and 50% failure rate is considered a good research outcome.
[4:24 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: No need to falsify… just show the data you want to show… and adjust based on bias…
Statistic is easy if you know what you doing π€£π€£
[4:25 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: But this is outright lying
[4:25 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Eg. Pfizer and Biontech - 1 successful product mRNA for covid - make them very rich.
Only 1 successful r&d especially for Biontech.
[4:26 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Much much lower…. R&D… research re-search. Repeat and search. Till you find something useful
[4:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: 1% is consider lucky already… if you go into new field
[4:27 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Just present the results as it is, make reasonable interpretation.
And subject to peer review.
[4:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Even with paper backing.. 20 to 40% at most
[4:27 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Peer review if you know the process π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£
[4:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: You will never believe it
[4:28 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Well depending on which field.
AI 50-50% is the norm.
[4:28 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Not from AI, lifescience is very low
[4:29 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Probably.
Life sciences deal with biology and chemistry.
[4:30 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Eg mRNA one breakthrough - whole humanity is safe from Covid-19.
[4:30 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Everything actually… photo chemistry, physics, computing science. Analysis is complex…
My RF paper got scrap cause use wrong zeroing method.. ππ 3 years work throw
[4:32 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: By 2035 or earlier,
Double road tax for fossil fuels vehicles, 2 wheels onwards.
Control COE for all categories of fossil fuels vehicles.
Increase import tax for these traditional vehicles.
Machinery import tax to double and parts too.
[4:33 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Hmm...
Got to work in a team...
[4:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: What research is MIT and Imperial doing?
[4:34 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Not everyone have experience in everything π
[4:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Government research maybe? Lol
[4:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Sometimes they do advance research don’t share mah…
[4:35 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
True.
Need to work in a team with different specialist domain.
[4:35 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Paper ranking and country advantage is different game
[4:36 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Government research..
[4:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: Facial recognition and AI .
In 100th of a second, up to 8 analysis of a human facial expressions will generate answers...
[4:37 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: My team have
Chem engineer
Physics
Computer science
Life science
Medical doctor
Electrical engineer
But no microscop expert… and microscope expert supporting the institution don’t also means can spot it π
[4:38 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Quite fun… learning it now
[4:38 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: π
[4:39 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Well, success and failure in r&d is always there.
Important to learn from failure and a foundation for success.
[4:40 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
As a foundation..
[4:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: 21 October, 2022
Building that Exceptional Team!
Genesis:
"Start by imagining or reimagining before you begins your mission, your previous failures and successes, your rules of engagement and lastly, what's your goals and that exceptional team you aspires"
- - anonymous
Two or more can be considered a team and your team mate! Are we in the search of that Leon Battista Alberti (1404–72), called “a man can do all things if he will.” the modern Renaissance" men and women often referred as talents? Perhaps so? Or are we also looking for Iron Man that unites all into one team. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel was a true hero and Iron Man of India!
How to start building one that will last a longer time and more critically enables to face uncertainties and unforseeable situations whether is a one-off or many on-going projects?
People matters most in crafting such a robust team that can takes the 'knockings and shockings' of this existential world we all are living in.
- - in progress - -
[4:52 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: ... continue
Futurising?
'Monkey see Monkey do, that's the old circles of business?' Is this exceptional team an experiment or is it experienced the same old driver of a successful team?
People are relying on others to impart knowledge, skills and previous experiences that is the economics of educations and trainings in hope to land the ideal job. This is what parents, industries and young adults all of them are hopeful about the future?
Inescapable conclusion, the learning curves of many successful ventures evolve around people and the bravery to experiment. This Paradigm shifter, Thomas Kuhn would think alike as a new way of hiring, of rewarding people and so is this exceptional Team!
[5:35 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
"The world's biggest source of clean energy is evaporating fast" - China 3 gorge dam drying up
https://sg.yahoo.com/finance/news/the-worlds-biggest-source-clean-energy-evaporating-fast-210047362.html#:~:text=The%20world%27s%20biggest%20source%20of%20clean%20energy%20is%20evaporating%20fast
[5:38 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Thus important that we cannot rely on one energy source and need to diversify into various energy source.
Because climate conditions can change and deprive us of energy if we rely on only 1 energy source or 1 supply.
Hence we should not rest on our laurel when we discover hydrogen gas as our energy source - and disregard the rest.
[5:44 pm, 28/10/2022] +Rama: We are at a disadvantage without four seasons, hydroelectric dam and wind turbine power source.
[5:47 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Well as long as we have water and sun - we can still produce alot of miracles.
[5:49 pm, 28/10/2022] +Rama: Yes
[5:49 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
1. Water can produce hydrogen gas from H2O.
2. Sun can produce solar energy.
3. Water H20 can extract deterium isotope to form hydrogen nucleus for fusion - to generate electricity.
[5:50 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
What we need are STEM talents for R&D.
[5:55 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: π you sure mah on your point 3
[5:59 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Deuterium.
Wrong spelling.
[6:00 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Or you can use lithium.
But world short supply.
[6:00 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: Yes found in sea water but to harvest from sea water… the rate you know how hard mah π
[6:00 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
Water isotope - unlimited supply.
[6:01 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
That's why need STEM r&d talents.
[6:01 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: I don’t think you understand all the technical difficulties
[6:02 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
I not in this field.
But I know r&d never easy.
[6:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: The technology is still 50 years min π
[6:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: To reached commercial viability
[6:03 pm, 28/10/2022] +REACH: π’ Topic π’
At the opening of the annual Singapore International Energy Week conference on Tuesday (Oct 25), Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong announced that Singapore will reach net-zero emissions by 2050 as part of its long-term low emissions development strategy. The Government had previously considered this target but has confirmed that it is on track to achieve net-zero by 2050.
DPM said Singapore has progressively cut its greenhouse gas emissions, achieving a reduction of 32 per cent below business-as-usual levels by 2020 to 52.8 million tonnes. This was double the 16 per cent reduction pledged in 2009, giving the Government the confidence to raise its climate ambition. He said achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will be a stretch target but a nece…
[6:04 pm, 28/10/2022] +Ken: First need to find profitability for hydrogen production first… that is way way off…
[6:11 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: I think the core of green energy is energy storage and a distribution network.
[6:13 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: Yet to hear about a great success story for electricity storage and its network. An area that a-start maybe can look into it and turn commercialized
[6:13 pm, 28/10/2022] +SL: A-star*
[6:15 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/lP-G-inkkDg
[6:18 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtu.be/8HnZ3o8JEPE
[6:22 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: SMU launches super low energy building
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/smu-launches-super-low-energy-building
[6:22 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
China and JET (Joint European Torus) are using water isotope deuterium from seawater.
China successfully produce the plasma of nucleus fusion using deuterium - water isotope from seawater - unlimited supply.
[6:27 pm, 28/10/2022] ☸️ Danny εΏ:
China successfully processed a plasma from deuterium water isotope.
[6:45 pm, 28/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
[6:46 pm, 28/10/2022] +danielhl chua: Ever been to Changi Experience? There is one station that intrigued me. The one that you need to cycle as fast as you can to generate power.
Cycling has become more and more like a national sport. I believe the idea of turning kinesthetic energy to electrical energy has its novelty. We can move towards that direction.
[6:59 pm, 28/10/2022] +Smiley face: ... continues, "Building that Exceptional Team!"
" Process precedes Profit?"
- - anonymous
How to empirically scored it?
In Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman, winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics. He explains the two systems that drive the way human think.
System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional.
System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical.
Overthinking, or overconfidence on your strategies, or difficulties in predicting what will make people happy (unhappy), all these will have profound effect of cognitive biases on everything tangibles and intangibles!
Ideally, a team should have a mixture of both systems and a must-have for the Team leader!
- - in progress - -
[7:00 pm, 28/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan π
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