REACH 405 - What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recognizing those engaging in "hands-on and heart work" ?

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19 Oct 2022 (10am - 7pm)

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[10:00 am, 19/10/2022] +REACH: 📢 Topic📢

At the Singapore Economic Policy Forum on 18 October, Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) Lawrence Wong highlighted the issue that Singapore’s economy places too much of a problem on cognitive abilities and does not sufficiently value those engaging in “hands-on and heart work” like technical, service and community care roles. 

In particular, DPM Wong was concerned about a growing divergence between the starting pay for Institute of Technical Education (ITE), polytechnic and university graduates, whereby “the median starting salary for a university graduate is almost twice that of an ITE graduate”.   

💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recognizing those engaging in "hands-on and heart work" ?

Speaking at the forum, DPM Wong said: “We must move away from preconceptions that academic success should be prized above all others. Instead, we must respect those who labour with their hands and hearts, and confer upon them the same status as other paths. We must also give them opportunities to advance in their respective fields, and not pigeonhole them into specific tasks, or hold them back unfairly.”

DPM Wong added that the government is already tackling the divergence in salaries through tightening foreign worker quotas and raising the local qualifying salary, while also uplifting the wages of lower-wage workers through the Progressive Wage Model. The government has also invested more to raise the quality of vocational instruction by levelling up the ITE skills-based curriculum to give students deeper industry relevant skills while also increasing the number of work-study diplomas across sectors to give students a career head start after graduation.  

However, DPM Wong stressed that there needed to be a fundamental mindset shift in society – by employers, and by society. “Some of these shifts will not be easy to attain. But if we work together, I am confident that we can expand the possibilities for fulfilment and success for every generation of Singaporeans,” said Mr Wong.

👉🏻https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/need-to-bridge-gap-in-how-head-work-and-other-types-of-work-are-valued-dpm-wong

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👉🏻https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/DPM-Lawrence-Wong-at-the-Singapore-Economic-Policy-Forum-2022

👉🏻 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/4-new-work-study-courses-to-be-launched-in-2023-for-poly-and-ite-grads

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[10:57 am, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: "Kudos! One threading and many benefits to sew pockets of inequalities, this bigger social fabric...A cry of Bravo (brave moves)!"

- - annoymous

[11:06 am, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Higjer paper qualifications with insufficient work experience and not work experience with lesser paper qualification still counts.

[11:07 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: Sorry me  english not good what is Annoymous ?

[11:09 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: As far as i google appearing per Wiki is a group of black hat :C

[11:13 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Normally refer to a person who does not want to be identify by name or so

[11:14 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: unknown person i see

[11:16 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: Sorry ah me from EM2 last class almost drop to normal stream in secondary

[11:16 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Agreed

[11:17 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Still above normal stream in Secondary last time right  😉

[11:17 am, 19/10/2022] +Rama: The essence of DPM LW recent speech on inequality of pay.

[11:19 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: Ask u if a EM3 or ITE  person earning 1800 why ppl from Malaysian with some part time degree do white colleague can earn 2.6 K

[11:20 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: then every eyar jump

[11:20 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: than become 3.8K

[11:20 am, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Good question but have to know details of a particular j0b/salary to offer a constructive comment

[11:20 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: ITE can do white collor job right

[11:20 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: can

[11:21 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: at mots call centre

[11:21 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: but i see bank and dont know a lot

[11:21 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: do white collor job  leh

[11:21 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: u go amuy listen ji go li yi sia lor

[11:21 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: amoy

[11:22 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: provided i assume thos ein Changi buiness park ppl all got MBA

[11:22 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: ITE portion i think u need to ask MOm

[11:23 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: as for the rest walk in CBD u can tell

[11:23 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: those work in FIiance may aware

[11:23 am, 19/10/2022] +65 9617 1577: I salute that sentiment. For too long, vocational careers have been sidelined and over  time it will create a greater divide in society. Just look at the U.S., for instance. Even with minimum wage laws, they could only sense the unfairness when the pandemic struck and realised that these type workers were  were quite essential after all. 

But the main thing is the increasing divide that it creates in society when income disparities begin to also create a ‘classed’ society. The wage gap has to be decreased in order to maintain an egalitarian society.

[11:24 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Yes they can, will have depend if they are willingly to upgrade themselves after ITE.

[11:24 am, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Time to shine on the limelight

[11:24 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Not necessary MBA lah

[11:26 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: I think the job they are working on will definite if they can go further or get higher pay than before or not

[11:28 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: so how do SG validate the degree  from oversea

[11:31 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: will u be given a chance first ?

[11:31 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: come out 27 or 28

[11:31 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: vs a malsyian guy only 21

[11:32 am, 19/10/2022] +KL: come here still YAYA

[11:39 am, 19/10/2022] +65 9047 7295: The issue here is whether you can work or not. And also are you the right fit for the job. Got a degree / diploma  or no degree / diploma, it should only be considered for a higher bonus if he / she reached KPIs. Not for progression. Totally not fair for most blue collar workers

[11:42 am, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Yes the issue here is whether you fit the bill or not.

[11:52 am, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi everyone, good morning!

An intentionally thesis in the progress, hope all of us will open up into more robust discussions in search of solutions, commanding all of our brains bytes in sync... thank you!

Here it goes, welcome, the "incomplete" thesis for all to edit and rewrite!

[11:53 am, 19/10/2022] +RH: Ther is a spelling error ...

Shd be spelt 

" aNoNymous" 🤦🏼‍♀️

That's why u can't find the correct meaning. 😁

Meaning :  nameless

无名

[11:54 am, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

Good morning everyone!

"Kudos! One threading and many benefits to sew pockets of inequalities, this bigger social fabric...A cry of Bravo (brave moves)!"

- - annoymous

Let's begin this Thesis:

"The Ecosystems of the Future,  the Workplace and the Enablers?"

"Environment is the shaper, the shaker and the shifter of the spectrum of Human behaviors...'

- - annoymous

“环境是人类行为光谱的形状、震动和转变……”

- - 无名

The Environments; the 'helps' and the 'harms' concepts '害或爱':

What is economics? In simple words, to make a meaningful (dignity & respectful) living in one's lifetime.

What is a working/workable environment? It is more than accessing one's business and workplace! Many businesses, bosses and workers are well-aware of this off-site workplace (WFM). Perhaps there are several crucial considerations prior to setting up a productive, an accountable and meaningful off-site working environment! What are the impedements in gaining benefits from an off-site or on-site workplace?

Hard-wired?

Meaningful and tailored digital tools and infrastructures from communication to cloud. How about digital friendly, zerolised carbon footprint, transforming and adaptable skills, are these enablers or are there broken links? Why some people are thinking and weaving within the cocoon of their thoughts, mind blocked and will it affects decision making?

Soft wirings?

Human connectivity and mission driven purposes from daily tasks, to quarterly targets, to annual achievements and so on.

The key is purposeful and quantifiable outcomes whether is positive, negative and the KPI itself. Open the stacked cards and reveal the realities of one's life, each outcome differs human to human, success and/or failure!

The limitations of "different folks different strokes?

What are the existing pools of skilled workers out from schools or trainings and the entire ecosystem of a country education? How about the existing workforce and the workers of tomorrow? Where and what is the size and the allocations (or missed allocations) of the human capital for targeted skills of tomorrow's industrial reset?

Perimeter or Parameter?

Is it nature in actions or is it all along, human actions & interventions or nature first then comes nurture? 

A baker can never become a coder and a scientist cannot possibly turning to be an actor! Are these paths destined, or are these failures and successes, or perhaps are there elements of (unknown) 'naturally' selections that evolve since the birth of mankind? 

"Never underestimate a man who overestimates himself..."    - - Franklin D. Roosevelt

“不要低估一个高估自己的人。” 

- - 富兰克林·罗斯福

The Exceptions of Team building?

If a human is make up of any one or two or all three broad bends that is competencies, behaviors and natural abilities (selections - 天生我才定有用). Perhaps it is more important to further understand & define each individual traits and weaknesses from entreprising, innovative, intellectual, hands-on or in-between two. Each person will have a distinct inclination towards one of these five categories with exceptions for people whom posses two of a kind variables also those whom changed career path during midway of their work-life. What are the criteria and selection tests to pull in a team? These 'screening' tests, is it solely based on academic achievements, or biggest failure, or relevant past successes, or personality or, or sit-down abilities test, or face to face, and combinations of up to three factors? 

One important consideration in hiring is to understand the limitations of any person than thinking about his or her limitless capabilities. Is this prudent (make) or reckless (break) or any exception to consider?

By mixing and matching these weighted variations (limitation & diversity can also inter-connected) including age and nationality into your team to fit your mission, the strategies, risks stratification, and the goals. It is an exceptional team in the making excepts your competitors whom still figuring ways out and do remember to make it a FUN venture! What's quantum entanglement, can this latest finding be applied too?

"Starts planting that baby Tembusu now, a continuum, it takes a lifetime...!"

- - annoymous

Using complexity to solve complex problems?

Leaders to Managers to co-workers in sync, it's organic that flows up and down also down and up. 

How's the flow?

A systemic upheaval approach: The strategy, implement and execute are flows of work from daily to the multi-years visions.

It is paramount in this hybrid setup aka off-site works to level the communications and connectivity. Afterall, aren't we dealing with human to human whether internally or externally (micro+macro perspectives)? That's itself is an ecosystem in the making! Will each system succeed or failed?

"What if meaningless replacing the importance of meaningful (ends) and/or a purposeful (resolves) narrative?"

- - annoymous

Never do things out of greed or rush all for the sake of scaling bigger & higher and hoping for faster success?

Plan things (business or acquisition) with meanings (purpose), for it will bring you less unintended challenges and pains! Should 'meaningless' problems challenge you, one after the others, people will experience a period of self disillusion and the larger harm to a team or a community or an economy?

So how to move closer to success? A business or any larger entity, making things simpler and workflow less complex! Why so? Does it means simple thinking is the key and not OVER thinking?

By adding or introducing more complexity into an existing complex situation will yield unfavorable outcomes, or to slack or cover up more mistakes under the carpet and roll them over and over, or worse it implodes into pieces! 

It is smarter to dig into the ROOTS of each problem very often to re-investigate the past performances and challenges to uncover the original truth as to why it is recurring over and over in various shapes and forms! 

What's the difference between an experienced worker versus a talented workers with experienced? 

Is experience a basic ingredient to success and a meaningful career or talent is the key attribute in any situations? How about a person's character and attitude in life that will total to the Dynamics of any organisation into a passive, or a pro-active, or a combative culture? 

What's about culture? 

It is a way of doing things normally or the way or the highway, or the 'normal' way of life?

A combative working environment usually is a 'dogs eat dog' and a highly strung individuals competing each other to succeed regardless of ethics or moral! This overly-merited office has common momentum of fast and busy, and no time to waste. Where as in a passive environment, the daily workload compared to the highly strung one is much lowered tone and these workers and managers are in sync to tend to slow the flows of work. The 'exceptional' team perhaps is a pro-active one and a convergence of skills and talents! Why so? It comprises a spectrum of personalities from the slackers to the achievers. Make no mistake, these slackers are productive but they tend to be mellowed and slower thinkers. It is crucial in demanding and/or urgent moments, this organic team will stand steadier than the former two examples. It is about people and mixing (or mismatched) the right amount of different people to sync a COMMON tune not just relying on skills or talents will help or may harm, all these efforts will impact performance and importantly, minimizing costly mistakes and corrections! Aren't all these truth or merely a painting of colorful words?

How about Hopes and Happiness?

Many experts/gurus often laughed at this hopes and happiness concept especially in an office settings? If one worker is unhappy with the other or his/her superior, what's the unintended consequences that this unhappy worker will contribute to this team and fellow workers? Will these unhappiness affect the team dynamics? 

It will distort others to think HARDER if things are actually that wrong! If you are feeling hopeless, wouldn't you start to think, 'what's the point'? Is that what many people are saying lately, aka 'quiet quitters'? Why quit only if one is feeling hopeless? How about salaries, benefits and equitable (or short-change) rewards?

So how to link this two H-H? One, is not to be presumptuous over other people and exercise consideration whenever tough human to human frictions occur, that's what business experts called the sciences of managing people! Will research proven methods work or better still using AI, or the best is yet to be, using human touch to motivate and to move others to work together (in sync)? 

Two, things may work well that is to treat each other honestly, appreciates others efforts and give abit of slack to one another!

Three, to view each human being as an unique piece of mosaic (chip) and humans are never receptive to any changes or having to face up to a new and unfamiliar environment. It needs time to adjust and to adapt to these changes and surroundings in order to fit into the larger space of a bigger motif of purposes and meanings. 

Lastly, how to solve inflation starting from the workplace, sounds complex isn't it?

The 2050 Future, the 4-days work week and more eventful?

Is the world heading into a big mist of metaverse (extraordinary and virtually extremes) where AI marries VR to form AIR? 

This 'AIR' will create your future co-workers, your talk-to buddies, even your lived ones and spouse, all inclusively in this AIR till the day arrives (ends) and please don't let the 'HUMAN TOUCH' fade away!

     - - in progress - -

[11:55 am, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: should be "Ano" or "Anny" or "Nym" or "Mouses".. more fun and hip 🤣

[11:56 am, 19/10/2022] +Noraini: It's meant to annoy-nameless

[11:56 am, 19/10/2022] +RH: How about "annoy-mouses" , meaning "annoying mice who keep squeaking in the background" ? 

Hee .. hee ... 😁😁

[11:57 am, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: we have funtastic creatures here 😂😍

[11:59 am, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Without addressing the drawbacks in Current education system, it's no point talking about wages or wage gap.

Previously mentioned here 

How many total local students vs How many able to get local Uni degree.

Why not allow students to study higher, and why filtering 

Refiltering

Again refiltering

Where as other countries one can easily get bachelor cert despite (50% marks in JC or Olevel)

(Again some people here itself told, education system is soo good, and they need rererefiltration to bring out best of the best (not sure the. Why this best of the best of the best not even 800)

And previously someone said Paper qualifications not matter much..

(And i Surely say It is to enter and get to the ladder you need it, 

Once u are at the ladder 🪜 its the skills …

[11:59 am, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Unique way in looking, like your dimensional view!

Or that ageing brain and BLURR eyes playing with words.... importantly, have FUN!

[0:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Meritocracy?

A nation of graduates?

Or a spectrum of talents and skills?

[0:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Meaningful and Purposeful, two keys that will never "play" you out?

[0:05 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Meritocry works when everyone starts at the SAME POINT

Now with Great income inequality

Those who can afford homes near best schls

Those who afford tuitions, extra help from Parents etc

This group are at advantage

The other low and Middle income group left behind and behind.

(This group just not having enough support, that doesn't mean that there are no clever abv avg students from this group)

The thing which worked well in the beginning

Will no longer works

[0:07 pm, 19/10/2022] +Noraini: 😢

[0:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: As far i know a lot of foreigners in local uni during my time .

[0:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: And When MNCs cone here they want degrees 

I have no data, except that heard from friends

Thats why i asked How many total students

How many able to Go Local Universities.

The percentage?

Is it 70% or 

50%?

What meritocracy we are talking about here 

Filtering and refiltering 

What kind of stress we are giving children

P6 sitting And studying enormous subjects with super analytical questions

Half this students already will lose interest in Studies

And remaining half will be sick of studies 

And hate the education system by O level

Everything is about the IP students

Why this is happening

Why students are in soo much stress

Why children not having zeal or joy of studies

Why teachers are leading stressful life

Rather than happliy teaching??

[0:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Heard the same!

[0:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Unique ways to see the Dimensional and the Dynamics of change of the mindsets?

Stem - Science, Tech, Engr, Med

Leaves - let education elevates everyone 

Roots- Reorganizing our Origins  Themes and Systems

Tree - Together Reaching out to Everyone & Entities

[0:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Education should be such a way that it should make the child understand the importance

It should make the child to have the zeal to know what they don't know

To have aim to go higher and higher 

This deffinatly not happening here

And those who argue it worked last time

Last is last time

So plz don't bring last time

This is New generation

New issues

Many things affecting children and parents 

And every one lives

[0:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +L or BL: Agreed.

[0:15 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Unless the root cause is addressed no good thing will happen

The inequality grows 

The income inequality grows

New immegrants will totally replace the current children generation (at least70% of higher income group) 

(Forget about solving ...no one likes to  Address the issues in education)

[0:17 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: This is whats going to happen.. 

Locals ends up in lpw and middle income groups

The rest of top tier will be filled with Students 

Who has happy childhood

With less stressful education

Who managed to choose what they want to study 

(This foreign group of immigrants will replace future local groups)

At present it may not be so obvious

In future it will be soo much visible

This things need to addressed now 

Rather than later when we face it!

[0:17 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Agreed

[0:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: u know i know mean it almost true lol

[0:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: This issue is surfacing now.....

[0:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: excatly a decade

[0:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: :D

[0:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: it very visible liao

[0:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: So how and what about?

Human at work...

Foreigners doing ' that hands-on' jobs?

Foreigners doing "that thinking" jobs?

Singaporeans doing "selective or no more" jobs?

[0:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Congrat we lie flat lol

[0:22 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Many of my friends kids my kid last year

Asked their parents

Why do they need to give SO HARD PAPERS IN PSLE?

WHY DO THEY GIVE SUCH A WAY THAT WE MUST NOT GET GOOD MARKS?

I told they wanted to see who are the brilliant 1-2% ones .

I Would actually say 

Child rights are totally ingored in Singapore

Educators ignore

Parents ignore

Society ignores

So far when i go out during 2pm around 

(Last time n now my house is near schools)

All i see  tired unhappy children faces

Hardly can see any one coming out with bright happy face

Including my child

(I feel sorry for my child)

[0:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Not all parents ignore, it is just the education system that is making the parents stressful too.

[0:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Yeah may be la

By going through unhappy stressful childhood 

Students already FEDUP WITH LIVING

Living robotic life with no fun

So at least work place they might want to take chance ..

Let them be 

At least let them what they want to...may be a year or so

Later they got no choice to accept any job...what to do 

It's the life..

[0:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Agree.. 

Ignoring me

I feel sad 

I always remind my child its ok

But apart from i do nothing 

Like asking for change 

Demanding for change

I do nothing)

[0:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Your child is young ?

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Sec1 now

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Including me..

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Example the 3 days PSLE exam breaks, more than 50% of the P6 students still go back to sch or go online lessons.....Not happening in 1 school but many

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Congrat :D , when you sent them to Uni and come out see them do call centre or grab how ur feeling ?

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: No choice

[0:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Mine is P6 this year....see him stressful I also feel so stressful for him

[0:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: how will u feel ?

[0:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Wai Xin: as an educator in public university, my observation is the foreign students accounts for only about a handful in each undergraduate class. maybe 1-2 at most 4 in a class of 40. and where they do appear, often i can see their drive and hunger.

my take is, the workplace must be willing to change their hiring mindset. and look beyond the paper qualifications. 

unfortunately HR are not hiring managers and may not be well equipped to understand what makes a good candidate other than looking brands on the degree paper. 

hiring managers on the other hand have little time to perform candidate filtering. this resulted in a lot of missed opportunity and frustration. 

furthermore, if we want MNC to hire local skilled talent without paper qualifications, it is difficult for them to answer to stakeholders in home country.

[0:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Linda Seng: Yes left with no choice

[0:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Problem is with syllabus

Problem is STAMPING THEM 

UR GOOD U CAN GO GOOD SCHL

UR not so good 

U will be going to So called neighborhood schl

(Plz la no discussion of All schls are good  schls.. MOE slang 

Don't want to hear here)

[0:28 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Regardless of "brain work", "hand work" or "heart work".

2. Regardless of university graduates or polytechnic graduates or ITE graduates.

3. It is the "economic outputs or services" - that are valued by consumers and businesses - which then are translated to how much consumers are willing to pay and how much business are willing to pay the salaries.

[0:30 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: 10 % wor in uni , ITE or em3  produce 1/6 a year

[0:31 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: that not a big problem now is malasyisa uni also can get good job in SG :D

[0:31 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: malsyian parrt time degree no UTAr ah

[0:32 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Its not about how many locals in Uni

How many total students in one year

Vs how many Able to enter in UNI

This is what's important

How many O level students able to enter to JC 

Which is fast track to UNI?

[0:32 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Harping on paying high for foreign graduates and paying less on local non-graduates - totally miss the point.

DPM Lawrence Wong also dwell on :-

Important to be open to foreign talents that being jobs to local people.

And at the same time, deepen our grooming of locals in 3 categories of our local workers to earn higher income.

We must not be transfix on being xenophobia - that will backfire and hurt us.

Let us learn the lesson of Brexit.

[0:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: have u experince before ?

[0:33 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

How has Brexit - to protect local jobs and keep out immigrants - affect UK in Economy, GDP, trade, wealth and jobs

1. UK people why in referendum vote for Brexit - because they want to control their borders and don't want EU immigrants to come to UK to compete with them on jobs.

2. They thought that by Brexit, the locals can get jobs from the business.

3. But EU market use to be about $20 trillion GDP.

4. With Brexit after UK pull out of EU market, UK GDP is $3 trillion and EU GDP fall to $17 trillion.

5. UK business is unable to tap the big EU common market - as they no longer enjoy the tariff free EU market - and instead rely on their small domestic market of $3 trillion.

6. As a result, UK trade fall drastically (export fell by 11.7%, import fell by 7.5%) - and less jobs are created ---- which backfire on the UK people who thought that by Brexit, they can keep their jobs in UK to themselves.

7. UK general government gross debt was £2,223.0 billion at the end of March 2021, equivalent to 103.7% of gross domestic product (GDP).

8. UK business not doing well as trade fall, GDP fall (by 2.25% in output loss), less jobs created, UK people poorer, Government debt balloon - Brexit (xenophobic, nationalism) - backfire.

[0:33 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Staying open to foreigners key to Singapore’s future, says Deputy PM.                                          https://sg.yahoo.com/finance/news/staying-open-to-foreigners-key-to-singapores-future-says-deputy-pm-075645669.html

[0:33 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

How has Truss - mini-budget that won her PMship backfire 

(that is why Trusseconomic plan fails - to address the high inflation)

1. Truss want to cut tax for rich people - to try to do a "trickle-down" effect on the Economy - as she thought that with big tax cut, rich people will invest and create jobs for UK.

But rich people will only invest when the market is big, business opportunities are abundant. 

After Brexit, business cannot trade easily in EU market and invest easily in EU market - then rich people will just keep their tax cut in their pockets instead of investing and create jobs.

Hence Truss tax cut to pull a "trickle-down" effect fails - and unable to create jobs, pay good salaries to workers - to sustain workers' lives to deal with the high inflation - hence UK market reacted with pessimism - and pounds plummet.

2. Government plan to subsidise energy prices for a few years - that have spike due to Ukraine war.

The problem is, the government debt already run up to $2.2 trillion pounds.

With further tax cut, how will the government able to finance the energy prices for a few years ----- without running into a deep deep public debts?

Failure to ensure financial prudence and maintain a balance fiscal budget - is a sure failure in her economic plan.

3. Brexit - kills the big market access to EU from UK - outcome :- fall in trade, fall in GDP - will result in fall in investment, fall in creating jobs, fall in wealth, fall in government tax revenue.

Hence people referendum (relying on gullible voters) to decide on their fate --- without the knowledge of appreciating how Economics work ----- condemn UK people's economic fate --- by champioining xenophobic, nationalism, closing their economy instead of opening up to foreign talents - thinking that by doing so "locals have all the jobs to themselves" ------ which essentially is "penny wise pound foolish".

4. I hope Singaporeans will not follow the footstep of UK Brexit - and learn from the painful lesson of xenophobic.

Because by closing our doors to foreign talents ---- will hurt us more than save our local jobs and create wealth for our locals.

Being "petty" don't make us "well off".

[0:47 pm, 19/10/2022] +Wai Xin: perhaps we need more success stories from the industries of how skill sets from ITE and Polytechnic can translate to new innovation and inventions that companies are drawing high value from. 

Thus encouraging more people to enter workforce early to develop skills, and then upgrade and up skill later at university. the universities are also transforming to cater to more adult learners looking to learn new techniques. their engagements with university can also be two-way sharing their unique industry expertise back to the education system.

[0:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I also want to go workforce early leh

[0:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Than NS how ?

[0:54 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Eg. I go to see a GP doctor for a flu. I believe she is a university graduate holding a MBBS.

I pay $40 for the consultation and medicine.

2. My water pipe leak.

I pay $120 for a ITE to replace my water tap and a pipe - to stop the leakage.

I find the price reasonable.

3. Conversely, I pay $300 to see a heart specialist to ensure my heart is in a perfect condition.

I feel relieved and willing to pay the amount. I believe the specialist is higher than a degree graduate.

So it is not whether about "brain work" or "hand work" or "heart work".

It is about the economic outputs and services that consumers are willing to pay.

The bosses are willing to pay a good salaries to the workers that provided it produce the economic outputs and services - that are valued by consumers and the business.

[0:55 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Are u saying ITE got more pay then doctor ?

[0:56 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I going to BCA to be plumber nowwww

[0:57 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes according to the ite graduate.

He take 2 jobs per day $120 X 2 X 31 days = ,$7,440 a month.

[0:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: btw i fixed my home tap

[0:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: a tap cost ard 30-80

[0:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: If

[0:58 pm, 19/10/2022] +Wai Xin: that's a good illustration of the willingness to pay matching the market supply cost. it's the utility that can be derived

[0:58 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And when he win the HDB bid to fix tap - he say 1 year don't work also can live well.

[1:01 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: U need to mius the tap and fuel

[1:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: and no rest day

[1:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: no cpf

[1:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: if really so good than sg children should allbecome a plumber

[1:07 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: doctor fee raffles is ard 25-40 per 10 min . Where u need 30 min or 60 min to fix a pipe ( not include travel time ) . Some GP doctor some time earn 72 to 80 per 10 min.

[1:14 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

He registered with NTUC plumber service as a certified plumber.

He say he got quite a good number of calls that flow from NTUC.

He looks and sound professional and he delivers very good quality work.

[1:14 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: but 120 too ex i fixed myself only  60

[1:16 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Water tap and a pipe.

[1:16 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: then he dont earn much liao

[1:16 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: forgot got a pipe

[1:18 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If you read the text again - he received quite a number of calls per day.

He own a car, pay up his 5 room flats.

Also win the HDB bid to fix tap.

He is very rich.

An ite graduate.

[1:20 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

When he win the HDB bid, he employ workers to help him.

The moment the tender contract period ended, he works through NTUC home fix, and he do it on his own.

[1:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: How did he engage so many plumber ?

[1:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: His classmate ?

[1:21 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't know.

Didn't ask him.

[1:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I see

[1:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: thanks for the information will go read on plumbering course

[1:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

To: DPM Wong, Min- Chan, Our Distinguished Leaders and All Honorable Members

"In pursue of your dreams and that dream job?"

"Don't Chase the Wrong Dream...?

- - anonymous

Main:

Are you crazy (from a parent's mouth)?

PASSION is one enabler than chasing knowledge which has no connection with you!

Very often, our first degree obtained and our first job is not the same equipments or the final job will be different from your schooling days? Isn't it or not?

What's the Callings for our next and future generations?

"Different folks, Different Strokes"

- - anonymous

Different schools, different outcomes and the hidden jewel of future talents?

If only, the education system allows students to pursue in accordance to their passion. One ca…

[1:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: One consideration should the Policymakers decided to change abit on the future of education.

OECD is one pitching, this case is who is "best among the best"  in terms of numberacy and literacy! 

So how?

[1:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Frankly one question to do the abv topic how much time you need ?  3 year or 10 years . Once border open we have a increase of 3.64% out of 5.9 million that close to 10% of the workforce.  SG KPi is GDP so i think much ppl just take the shorter way out

[1:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"Here Tik there Tok (这里 抖 那里 音)..?"

- - anonymous

Why?

Japanese children tend to love reading as a pass time? Likewise for many children of this world!

So is it early Childhood habit to read more and wider or otherwise overwhelmed and cannibilised by that Mobile contents, the alternatives and the convenience of these devices?

Here tik there tok?

Whenever one clicks into the information world of contents, these days oftenly the content especially the fun and funny short burst of TikTok will mesmerise all folks from kids to adults. 

So what's the depth of these digitally fun thingies? Is it fake or fact? Where is that valuable knowledge base? 

If we expand into the broader context, there are good stuffs , the bad ones and the ugly sid…

[1:53 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: What if the external environments permit and trending towards a 8 millions headcount, said one futurising futurist?

What going to happen?

[1:55 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: so weird midef population keep shrinking but population keep expanding  :D

[1:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: This world is either you + or - or x or /

Use maths and science or baking, isn't it true or no no?

[2:00 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Calibrate is meant for digits, robotics, machines, process, manufacturings and so on?

Craft is human, a soft and handy approach ?

What about plannings?

[2:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: https://youtube.com/shorts/zxjBq5QGcJw?feature=share

It's recess time, let's have a little time off and abit of...

[2:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Not really… if you see AI created art

[2:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: https://impakter.com/art-made-by-ai-wins-fine-arts-competition/

[2:06 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: It is just haven’t reached to the point yet… till they understand empathy. 

But art wise is almost there..

[2:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Yes, hi Ken, good point too!

What if AI replaces human and touch?

What if Metaphysics arrive sooner than we created and running out time?

What if you could reconnect with your lived and lost ones through the world of Metaverse, soon?

Where is going to be the Joe on the street becoming or that Jane we knew from our childhood?

What a making of a new world!

[2:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Grace: Mental health will decline with lack of human interaction and real eye to eye connections over makan

[2:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Yes,... Empathy and Will

[2:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Meta verse if becomes real… hard to differentiate dead and alive. As AI can overtime learn a person actions and mimic to a high degree of realism

[2:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: That time is another time for policy to be adjusted… not very far in the future

[2:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Bingo! Grace, thanks!

You save the last for best. Thank you!

[2:11 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Likely in our generation

[2:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +REACH: 📢 Topic📢

At the Singapore Economic Policy Forum on 18 October, Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) Lawrence Wong highlighted the issue that Singapore’s economy places too much of a problem on cognitive abilities and does not sufficiently value those engaging in “hands-on and heart work” like technical, service and community care roles. 

In particular, DPM Wong was concerned about a growing divergence between the starting pay for Institute of Technical Education (ITE), polytechnic and university graduates, whereby “the median starting salary for a university graduate is almost twice that of an ITE graduate”.   

💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recogn…

[2:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: "Starts planting that baby Tembusu now, a continuum, it takes a lifetime...!"

- - anonymous

[2:14 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Employers need to have the patience to see through their employees grow in depth and length through reSkills and upgrade of knowledge.

The Wills of both employer-emoloyee- policymakers

[2:17 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Currently the general population hungry for knowledge is low

[2:18 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Although we have lots of free resource and highly subsidised courses

[2:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +Grace: There needs to be more encouragement for older workers. I am considered a young adult, and sometimes I see older colleagues upset cos they feel sidelined. We need to have healthy senior & junior interactions in the workplace, each valuing the skills and wisdom of each other

[2:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: I think.. encouragement don’t means actions. Need to have the drive and hunger

[2:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: I push myself just do it… not by my boss

[2:22 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: They can our parents, relatives who were once young like those ostracising them!

[2:22 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Think most don’t feel the need to as they are comfortable with their current role.

[2:30 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Grace, another good point.

Build that exceptional team! Thanks

[2:31 pm, 19/10/2022] +Grace: We do our little parts each day

[2:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Kudos to you, there's a need to coexist and TRY not be presumptuous because each human has their challenges or unspeakable miseries! It's true, thank you!

[2:36 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Some employers thinking fast, one older employee not as productive compared to the younger ones?

"Thinking, Fast and Slow"

Daniel Kahneman

[2:36 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: So what is a slacker and how about those champion achievers?

[2:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Fast, cheap, quality choose 1.

[2:38 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: There is a balance… if everyone go fast who check? Hence older also sometimes important. To act as a check and ask more questions.

[2:39 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: If you can convince the old and lazy people to take up your ideas. You have done enough to prove your point

[2:39 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Book Review:

In the international bestseller, Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman, the renowned psychologist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, takes us on a groundbreaking tour of the mind and explains the two systems that drive the way we think. 

System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical. 

The impact of overconfidence on corporate strategies, the difficulties of predicting what will make us happy in the future, the profound effect of cognitive biases on everything from playing the stock market to planning our next vacation―each of these can be understood only by knowing how the two systems shape our judgments and decisions.

[2:39 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: The point is do it better, cheaper or easier.

[2:40 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.

Bill Gates

[2:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Laziness is an attitude issue

Being older can be a Jewel, it depends on how we befriend these EXPERIENCED seniors...

"Learn from the wise, you will be wiser...?"

- - anonymous

[2:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: But some oversight is required lol… to keep within legal bound 🤣

[2:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Law or legality are man-made...?

[2:42 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: I try my best to automate most process in the company. At decent ROI when done one good enough.. the rest will follow

[2:42 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Finding short cut and gaming it....an interesting idea!

All Joe and Jane would luv to...

[2:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: They also can help to find loophole in the systems

[2:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Is a great help to auditors. Hence I like to trace their footstep to find what’s makes them tick.

[2:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: One enabler of nib the errors and corrections towards that 0.

0 is the mightest and 0 can also finish the game too!

[2:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Not really not such thing as zero… always new problems comes from new systems

[2:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Just tackle one by one slowly… never ending improvement game

[2:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: If not I no job Liao 😂

[2:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Yes, contiuum! Good!

[2:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Job enlargement!

[2:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Important is getting to same alignment as stakeholder then I can push my agenda

[2:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: But also need time to think… being able to have some free time helps with the thought processes

[2:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: I am just curious: 30 yrs ago we have population about 3 mil, we do not need so many foreign work force, we have enough National service personnel. Today we have close to 6 mil population, we do not have enough NS personnel, we need more FW🤔🤔. We keep saying we want to be the Swiss in Asia, however, as far as I know, Swiss will not hire FW if their ppl is not employed. So much so that most of their ppl can take break for months/years and not afraid of NO JOB after break (Please correct me if I am wrong)

[2:47 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Automation is not cheap… and not always so direct. 

Any changes takes lots of money to change. Hence, having FW give us the flexibility in manufacturing.

[2:47 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Moravec's paradox… something easy for human not always easy for computers.

[2:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: As the economy increase in complexity, more roles need to be filled. High and low end.

[2:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: No such thing as a full higher workforce.

[2:49 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Yupp, build that exceptional team....that spectrum!

[2:50 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: We never fully copy any system. There is always a SG twist to it. So cannot take apple to apple. When we are a different kind of Swiss

[2:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Singapore existence is already one of the wonder in economy sense.

[2:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Not so easy to replicate

[2:52 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Swiss roll ?

[3:00 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: We don’t fight cheap with cheaper 😅

Hence we going towards more technological moat. And fully exploit our strength in highly adaptable to global culturally high level professionals.

[3:01 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I fully agree with you , but can you tell me why so 250,000 malaysian with dont know what part time degree enter sg daily ?

[3:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: if they are all talent thn sg would have been strong by now

[3:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: You can only be productive till a certain level… after that is next level of game. Which only developed nations can do. Which is technology and synergetic coupling of technology and high skilled workers.

[3:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: When we have high level of highly educated workforce.

[3:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Japan still depends on low wage foreign workers even within Japan. I visited them. With the help of technology they can be come very competitive. But labour is still labour you cannot replace them totally

[3:05 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and many ASEAN countries have taken our roles as low wage base manufacturing.

Many have tried to build their seaports.

2. If we still stick to the old economy - we become impoverished.

3. Now global climate threaten to flood our lands, agri-food is in short supply, and many other issues that threaten our very economic existence - spur us to upgrade our economy into many new high value added economic sectors so that we can continue to survive and thrive.

4. Eg. We do r&d in high tech, IT, AI, etc, in biotechnology, in medical tech, in sustainable high-tech food and agriculture, upgrade our ports into high tech ports and airports, immerse in digital economy, r&d in defence tech building our stealth unmanned frigates, submarines, AI digital armies etc, biotechnology, medical technologies, etc

5. We need global talents - foreign and locals - and cannot stick to the population and economic policies of yester years.

[3:06 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I think you need to define what is talent ?

[3:06 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless Singaporean want to do labor work like what the Malaysians do.

[3:06 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"Don't forget than ONE...!"

"Be that Hero than being egoistic...?"

- - anonymous

What so great about the young and the future generations?

Is not about succession nor passing that baton to the next able hands?

 Is fountain of youth, the mid-age crises and ageing gracefully and meaningfully the three stations of unavoidable life interchange?

Arguably, all three interchange of life are vital in creating the meaning of life! Is not about waking up and make sure you marked your attendance in the school or at work or WFM locking to that screen?

Only meaningful achievements will last a longer time than chasing that As' and going on into that many famous places of learning and/ or workplace! 

Through passion and willingness, human will wa…

[3:06 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: see u still avioding the cheap white collor job question

[3:08 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

How you define cheap white collar job?

[3:08 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Wait long long

[3:08 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Our people don’t even treat them with respect be it work as them

[3:08 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: u need to define what is talent

[3:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Any finance job that can be done by local why need them  is cheap

[3:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: or i change to white collar

[3:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: White collar not all earn decent leh 😅

I seen many cases blue collar earns more then white

[3:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Blue for sure is more labour intensive

[3:12 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Talent refers to those:-

1. A professor that taught computer vision - a Russian.

2. Specialist that taught building defence against sea flood.

3. Professor that do nuclear fusion to generate energy.

4. Expertise in quantum computing, quantum entanglement, qubits.

5. Medical experts that develop mRNA vaccines.

Etc.

[3:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +Joseph Yap: 💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recognizing those engaging in "hands-on and heart work" ?

The current efforts are still insufficient. More radical approach is required to implement attractive apprenticeship scheme for “hands-on” works with government tax incentive/ grants/ co-payment for employers. 

Do not rule out radical scheme such as scholarship with bonds/ lump sum payment gratuity to young people who sign up for these apprenticeship scheme and complete their bond service period.

[3:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Blue, white or brown, does it matters or it does?

(人比人,气死人)

[3:13 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: 1.人家问地你答天🤭🤭

I ask the earth . You talk about sky.

2. Based on what you said that we can not get the right work force. Do our ITE .POLY  education system created more than 30 yrs ago is a failure?  Then why not change. Alter . Adjust it to meet the challenge ?

[3:14 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I agree than u tell me the causeway daily are 250,000 all nuclear physic ?

[3:14 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: i thiink we would have been nuclear power by now

[3:15 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: ITE really how much want to be labour? 😅 really not much.. 

the system is to create more workers as we see fit. 

You see more path toward poly after ITE and after that degree.

[3:15 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: How easy to get in, depends on how urgent we need the talent.

[3:16 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I see Chinese locals working as manager and RM in SBI bank.

Whereas Indian nationals work as bank reception clerks 

In Maybank, I see most RM are Singaporean locals, the manager is a Malaysian.

In ICBC, the RM and the manager are China nationals but the rest of the bank staff are Singaporeans.

So I can't see why foreign investors are not creating jobs for the locals.

[3:16 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Like nursing easy to get in, but easier to study? Not really..

[3:17 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nursing I see many foreigners mainly China nationals, Filipinos, but I also see locals, Chinese, Indians and Malays - a healthy mix of foreigners and locals.

[3:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Joseph, good point on OJT and work bonds.

These are incentives and enable for a COLLABORATION between candidates and industries. Thank you.

[3:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Okay i dont know leh unless i work in finance sector

[3:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Danni, good point!

When you are sick, whom you going to call? Doctors and nurses...

We need to build up this health contingent. Thanks

[3:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: but later some team hire 1 citizen , 1new citizen , 2pr and 2 EP how ?

[3:23 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心:

These foreign talents come from Russia, Netherlands, America, and other foreign nationals.

We have local graduates and post graduates learning and working under them.

If we are xenophobia - we will lose all these knowledge.

It means:-

1. Our country will go under water in few years time.

2. Our digital banks and savings will be hack by hackers using quantum computing to crack the binary encryption key.

3. We can't produce advanced medical technologies such as covid vaccines, cancer vaccines, etc.

4. We still have to rely on fluctuating oil prices for energy instead of artificial sun.

[3:23 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"High hopes for nasal COVID-19 vaccines despite 'disappointing' trial".

The West need to wake up and lead with Warp Speed 2.

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/high-hopes-nasal-covid-19-vaccines-despite-disappointing-trial-3012441#:~:text=High%20hopes%20for%20nasal%20COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20despite%20%27disappointing%27%20trial

[3:30 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: Please do not generalised as xenophobic which most of us here are not. I guess most ppl here wanted it to be well managed.

海海纳百川 有容乃大。湖承千溪 泛滥成灾。横批。量力而为

[3:32 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes, the key is not xenophobia but well managed.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: There is a balance… if everyone go fast who check? Hence older also sometimes important. To act as a check and ask more questions.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: If you can convince the old and lazy people to take up your ideas. You have done enough to prove your point

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Book Review:

In the international bestseller, Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman, the renowned psychologist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, takes us on a groundbreaking tour of the mind and explains the two systems that drive the way we think. 

System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical. 

The impact of overconfidence on corporate strategies, the difficulties of predicting what will make us happy in the future, the profound effect of cognitive biases on everything from playing the stock market to planning our next vacation―each of these can be understood only by knowing how the two systems shape our judgments and decisions.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: The point is do it better, cheaper or easier.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.

Bill Gates

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I try my best to automate most process in the company. At decent ROI when done one good enough.. the rest will follow

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Just tackle one by one slowly… never ending improvement game

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: If not I no job Liao 😂

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Important is getting to same alignment as stakeholder then I can push my agenda

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: But also need time to think… being able to have some free time helps with the thought processes

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I am just curious: 30 yrs ago we have population about 3 mil, we do not need so many foreign work force, we have enough National service personnel. Today we have close to 6 mil population, we do not have enough NS personnel, we need more FW🤔🤔. We keep saying we want to be the Swiss in Asia, however, as far as I know, Swiss will not hire FW if their ppl is not employed. So much so that most of their ppl can take break for months/years and not afraid of NO JOB after break (Please correct me if I am wrong)

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Moravec's paradox… something easy for human not always easy for computers.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: As the economy increase in complexity, more roles need to be filled. High and low end.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: No such thing as a full higher workforce.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: We never fully copy any system. There is always a SG twist to it. So cannot take apple to apple. When we are a different kind of Swiss

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Singapore existence is already one of the wonder in economy sense.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Not so easy to replicate

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: if they are all talent thn sg would have been strong by now

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: You can only be productive till a certain level… after that is next level of game. Which only developed nations can do. Which is technology and synergetic coupling of technology and high skilled workers.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: When we have high level of highly educated workforce.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 1. Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and many ASEAN countries have taken our roles as low wage base manufacturing.

Many have tried to build their seaports.

2. If we still stick to the old economy - we become impoverished.

3. Now global climate threaten to flood our lands, agri-food is in short supply, and many other issues that threaten our very economic existence - spur us to upgrade our economy into many new high value added economic sectors so that we can continue to survive and thrive.

4. Eg. We do r&d in high tech, IT, AI, etc, in biotechnology, in medical tech, in sustainable high-tech food and agriculture, upgrade our ports into high tech ports and airports, immerse in digital economy, r&d in defence tech building our stealth unmanned frigates…

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I think you need to define what is talent ?

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 19 October, 2022

"Don't forget than ONE...!"

"Be that Hero than being egoistic...?"

- - anonymous

What so great about the young and the future generations?

Is not about succession nor passing that baton to the next able hands?

 Is fountain of youth, the mid-age crises and ageing gracefully and meaningfully the three stations of unavoidable life interchange?

Arguably, all three interchange of life are vital in creating the meaning of life! Is not about waking up and make sure you marked your attendance in the school or at work or WFM locking to that screen?

Only meaningful achievements will last a longer time than chasing that As' and going on into that many famous places of learning and/ or workplace! 

Through passion and willingness, human will wa…

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: see u still avioding the cheap white collor job question

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Our people don’t even treat them with respect be it work as them

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Any finance job that can be done by local why need them  is cheap

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: or i change to white collar

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Blue for sure is more labour intensive

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recognizing those engaging in "hands-on and heart work" ?

The current efforts are still insufficient. More radical approach is required to implement attractive apprenticeship scheme for “hands-on” works with government tax incentive/ grants/ co-payment for employers. 

Do not rule out radical scheme such as scholarship with bonds/ lump sum payment gratuity to young people who sign up for these apprenticeship scheme and complete their bond service period.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Blue, white or brown, does it matters or it does?

(人比人,气死人)

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: i thiink we would have been nuclear power by now

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: How easy to get in, depends on how urgent we need the talent.

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Like nursing easy to get in, but easier to study? Not really..

[3:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: but later some team hire 1 citizen , 1new citizen , 2pr and 2 EP how ?

[3:34 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: "High hopes for nasal COVID-19 vaccines despite 'disappointing' trial".

The West need to wake up and lead with Warp Speed 2.

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/high-hopes-nasal-covid-19-vaccines-despite-disappointing-trial-3012441#:~:text=High%20hopes%20for%20nasal%20COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20despite%20%27disappointing%27%20trial

[3:36 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: According to SM TCH who spoke at a recent international conference in Singapore, the day has yet to come when our government is satisfied that nuclear energy is safe to be introduced into Singapore.

[3:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Already building the Institute to study 😅 I believe I saw it already… I might be wrong

[3:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I believe you are possibly right

[3:49 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Synchrotron_Light_Source

But don’t know is it related to nuclear 😅

I am not familiar with this part of the science

[3:49 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: There's a lot going on behind the scenes

[3:53 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: Although I am not a science, i am not too worry about the technical safety, I am more concern on terrorisms, sabotage .😱😓

[3:53 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Likewise

[3:53 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"What a big topic, Technique or Technical?"

Pay?

Is starting pay and thereafter a divider of one's future earnings vs the others?

From your First job and the starting salary you making to the next job that offers you higher salary. How do we PULL closer 'pay to pay' and industry to industry?

Technique or Technical?

Educational level is one starting point in deciding on pay for this job and the next and so on. Fact ,graduates will command the highest starting salaries than a non-grads. In each Uni-graduate, the knowledge and skills learned further differentiates from a Social Studies grad to a Medical grad or an Engr grad and so on the list of starting salary! A few hands-on job like dentist or surgeon or a vet, shouldn't these professi…

[3:59 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: How about policeman, fireman, military man? 

Life savers or not so only once in a while or once in a lifetime?

Technique or Technical?

[4:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: If build I might consider moving out 😅

[4:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Legit scared

[4:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: for sure i move out, retire somewhere 🤭🤭🫣🫣

[4:12 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Ken, one bingo, thanks.

If a young person for whatsoever reasons decided to migrate to elsewhere? What's the failure and the success at the receiving end of that landed country this young one?

What's going to happen to this young person parents? Come Home once a while or coming back to home again or coming back for sad purposes?

It takes a big big village and painful efforts in bringing up our young ones 

Isn't it true that our youth are the deciders of tomorrow?

[4:13 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Kay Eng,  you are one good responsible person. Thank you!

[4:16 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: I hope it will not reach a point that I have to make this decision. I love this country, born here, study here, work here, married here and hope to die here too

[4:17 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Migrate is not an easy task, the consideration not for one generation but the future as well…

Going out there is a high chance that we might start from zero. To be frank do thought of it. Singapore is relatively fragile. 

My mum is from Malaysia, she so that I can have a better future. If the future is uncertain for my kids. Of course I won’t think twice about moving. Family first. 

For now is the best options for family. Hence, I am here. I can be Singaporean anywhere. 

But safety is a key concern.

[4:17 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: She moved “

[4:18 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Painfully deriving to a preliminary conclusion that is...

"A country never dies but Human will, this 'leasehold' of one's lifespan unlike that country perpetually standing...?"

[4:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Therefore, it is paramount for all human to live a meaningful and purposeful life  before the lease comes into expiration...

[4:34 pm, 19/10/2022] +Noraini: 'Talent' is perhaps the extra niche.

I work in a Japanese company.  Been here very  long time.  I don't speak Japanese.

We have 2 Jap EP.

1 PR (Jap married to Singaporean)

1 Singaporean who went oversea to study & learn Japanese

I am lucky

[4:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Should pick up… after 10 years working with Japanese I decide to pick up as well

[4:38 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: I assume from your name is Malay then will be a bit tough 😅 for Chinese relatively easier due to the similarities in the language

[4:39 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: People that can speak Japanese gets promoted faster as they can communicate direct with our stakeholders in japan and majority of key client are Japanese.

[4:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"To say you don't know is the beginning of knowing,..."

- - Chinese proverb

"You create, you plant, you eat, you use, you throw, and nature will give it back to you!"

- - anonymous

Historical background:

In 1789, the famous French chemist Antoine Lavoisier (1743-1794) once said, "neither created nor destroyed, it's an evolving ecosystem! A single atom (carbon) life has always existed. It just changed from here to there! It is that simple yet powerful theory of quality, of recycling and protecting our ecosystems today.

So what?

Many ordinary people cannot see through the multiple dimensions of the order of nature callings. It is like reading a book and the words in the book became a movie, forward or backward this movie or turn to the …

[4:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Norani, so true isn't it. Thanks

A talented lady speaking her truth! Thank you!

[4:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +REACH: 📢 Topic📢

At the Singapore Economic Policy Forum on 18 October, Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) Lawrence Wong highlighted the issue that Singapore’s economy places too much of a problem on cognitive abilities and does not sufficiently value those engaging in “hands-on and heart work” like technical, service and community care roles. 

In particular, DPM Wong was concerned about a growing divergence between the starting pay for Institute of Technical Education (ITE), polytechnic and university graduates, whereby “the median starting salary for a university graduate is almost twice that of an ITE graduate”.   

💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recogn…

[4:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Li kashing once said "use that money wisely...?"

李嘉诚曾经说过,"钱可以用但不要浪费...?"

[4:52 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 👌✋👍

[4:55 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Let the starting pays for our ITE graduates and our Polytechnic Graduates be PEG 10-15% away from a University graduate?

Wait (Boleh) or wait a little bit (tunggu lagi)?

[4:55 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Wait long long

[4:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +Noraini: I know a little, but not keen to speak

[4:57 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew,... thanks for replying

Never says never...

what lah, wait lah, is coming! 

(apa lah, tunggu lah, akan datang!)

[4:59 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Don't be shy, all of us are here to listen and learn from all spectrum of life's, Hi Noraini?

[5:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 😄😆😁🤷‍♂️😃

[5:03 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Thank you! (terima kasih!)

[5:04 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: How to change people prolonged beliefs and mindsets? 

One way is to utilise re-conditioning methods and it will takes time and hardwork to achieve results, and hopefully the results will be positive and favourable too?

(China is doing it now...shhhh!)

[5:05 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: As MAS MD Ravi Menon recently said, the days of cheap labour in Singapore is over!

[5:08 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: Well said and Andrew, well quoted! Thanks again!

Domestic Helps are getting paid higher too?

[5:09 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: PWM will over time encompass a wide sector of our low wage industry workers

[5:16 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: All depends on parents. I don't pressure my kid and he can choose what he wants. It's not easy to be like that. I got scolded by my nephew who wants to pay for my son's tuition so that he won't be disadvantage. He was upset when I told him let my son struggle

[5:18 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I met a foreign talent sec 2 girl. I Asked her what she wants be, she replied my parents wants me to be a doctor. It's a universal problem

[5:18 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Your nephew is wrong and you are right! Also, parents must not impose the career choice for their children nor spoon feed them financially!

[5:18 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Like china too many graduates. Now they're encouraging trade skills because not every one can be manager

[5:19 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I believe our government is well aware.

[5:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Yeah but to sell that to the citizens that your kid don't need to strive to Uni is a downer

[5:20 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Strive on your own steam and shine.

[5:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Maybe government needs to message that all jobs contribute to the economy

[5:21 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Yes

[5:22 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: We need to respect all jobs. Like the analogy about the body parts criticism of the anus.

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Not much local do and yes sometimes they earn more than doctor no joke..

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: But time put in maybe much more

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: You want more information  ?

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Most if not all jobs pay income taxes so our government is thankful for that.

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: U know rubbish chute i pay 120 to hire a person do it

[5:23 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: SG ppl quote me 400

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: LOL

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Not surprising

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: I do have friend working in construction, if you willing to do sideline, they do pay very well..

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: where to get the 120 i wont say hahaha

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: u see one sided

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: not another esided

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Repair choked toilet bowl urgent you go check the price lol

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: The embodiment of the human spirit

[5:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I heard in Australia they getting $6k pm

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: choke it okay just tmr go call yellow page check price

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Cost of living

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I heard but didn't verify

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: i think only brust toilet bowl need really call fast fats

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. To summarise, the intent of today's topic - is to achieve 2 social objectives and goals :-

a. To tackle Income inequality - between the University graduates, Polytechnic graduates and ITE graduates.

b. To address social inequality - between the University graduates, Polytechnic graduates and ITE graduates.

2. I feel that this is a necessary step to ensure :-

a. Social and Economic inclusiveness

b. Social stability and address social grievances

b. Stable and long term governance.

3. However, I will like to highlight that while we try to address and take actions to be socially inclusive - we need to keep the economic principle and market principle in focus.

a. Specifically, the pay in which bossess are willing to pay the diploma holders and ITE graduates to commensurate with University graduates as well as the monies that consumers are willing to pay ---- is very much determine by the economic output and services produce by the diploma graduates and the ITE graduates.

We can't force business or consumers to pay more - just to achieve the social objectives - but with no economic output or services to "hand works" or "heart work" that can match the "brain work" produce by University graduates ---- as this will not be in compliance to the economic principles and free market principles.

Our Economy will become uncompetitive the moment we do that.

Planned Economy - is the good hallmark - that skew the market inefficiently to achieve its lofty objective of common prosperity - and thus doom to fail. Planned Economy hence need to transform to embrace the Market Economy to succeed.

4. Then how should we do to ensure we do not fall into the pitfall of planned economy, embrace market economy - and yet able to achieve the social objectives - of income equality and social equality among the Uni, Poly and ITE graduates?

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Opportunity.. if you can wait till tomorrow is not urgent..

[5:25 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Bankers 4K

[5:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 😃😄😦🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[5:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I think it's supply and demand. Too many PMETs

[5:26 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: I think i say in front cos cheap labour

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: And soft skills graduates. Short of IT and Engineers

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: Jurong island upgrade a toilet is 10k 🤣🤣 most don’t want to do cause troublesome… easier to do outside of island

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: plus ppl study hald plus uni came sg to find whuite collar jobs

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: half plus six

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Or half past six!?

[5:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Sorry i dont agree

My daughter herself don't want to get scolded by teachers

She wants to do all her work.. 

So its not in our hands 

It depends on child

A sincere child might feel pressure despite parents won't stress

And No point i argue here 

As Many people think the same

And the system never changes!

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: mean part time uni in malasyia

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Foreigners worked harder than Singaporeans and they "yes" men.

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Agree

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +Ken: And harder to job hop…

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: You can't blame them they can't find job in their own country

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +Tan Kay Eng: 10 yrs ago i paid $200 for thisjob. It took him 10 mins to fix.🤭🫣. 3mths ago, I get a guy to a casing of 3 fibre optic wire with socket for my internet (about 5 metres), he charged me$550, about 1.5 hour job

[5:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: I admire your daughters determination

[5:29 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: And at home we parents never help ..unable to help

So she herself requested for tuition when she feels she is unable to cope up (when she unable to do homework herself, she needs help)

Some parent have ability and time to teach some don't have

[5:31 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Yeah. If got a friend hated school because the teacher can't answer her questions and find her an irritant. She went overseas after O levels and excel. When asked she replied that the teachers answered all her questions. Anyway these are anecdotal

[5:32 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: this remind me of my C math  teacher in SRJC 2003  he any how teach one . U ask him question he say you should know by now.

[5:32 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: sorry i mean lecture

[5:33 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: 🤣 same here in Pre U too

[5:34 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Yes she is good 

I just want her to be happy what ever she does

I always told her

Just do want makes you happy.

I want her to study what ever she wants

(But funny thing is

She can't study what ever she wants . its all depends on grades 

What the school will choose for her)

That's the reality

[5:36 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: My friend child wanted to study A math 

She couldn't because she got low maths score..

Despite she tried to talk to the teachers she wants to try and work hard...

She couldn't able to get

This is the reality

Funny thing is that girl missed one Mid term assessment..so got low score in overall year end Sec2 exam

So she can't study A maths

[5:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Maybe the government can prepare graduates for the coming requirements. My observation that LIke in the 70s the country is skewed towards engineering and social sciences was not strongly encouraged (my assumption)

[5:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: it not important u no need A math to do delivery  :D

[5:37 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: or C math or F math

[5:38 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: Sorry my bad English

My daughter knows that girl

Now my girl do few online Career choices quizes 

N she wants to study Psychology

N she herself googled 

Whats needed

Now She understand that she needs to take maths n science to be major in psychology

Do get to there

She needs Good Sec1 n Sec2 scores in maths n sci

If not she won't able to do what she wants to

[5:39 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I met a manager who created a mathematical formula of the problem we're facing. It was an eye opener for me to see how brilliant she was beside her other good traits

[5:40 pm, 19/10/2022] +Suma pamu: So plz don't tell me that the pressure is not there

Its about the child

Some children due to some influence wants to become this or that ..

But we stopping them before even JC based on Marks

This is what's wrong in whole system!!

[5:40 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Is she a mensa member!?

[5:40 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: As long as we understand that's good English

[5:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I didn't ask

[5:41 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: than u study so hard a part time uni from Malaysia get the job cos u asking 3 K they asking 2.6

[5:42 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: plus they only 21 u 26 for guys

[5:42 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Are we really stopping them or is there more to it!?

[5:42 pm, 19/10/2022] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. University graduates economic output and services are very clear and tangible :-

a. R&D in AI, IT, hi-tech sustainable food, medical, bio-tech

b. STEM - science, techology, engineering, math - produce many tangible products and services - in various aspects of economic sectors\

c. Finance, accounting, fintech, blockchain, mobile apps for e-commerce

etc etc etc.

These are economic output and services that are worth thousands, millions, billions --- in which bossess are willing to pay a good salaries to the University graduates.

2. Polytechnic graduates --- are similarly trained in STEM and business -- that are quite closely related to University graduates with more hands-on skillsets.

I am not too worried about Polytechnic graduates - because the vast majority after a few years of work move on to take their University degrees through local Universities, SIT and overseas Uni.

Their salaries quickly catch up to match the University graduates.

3. ITE graduates are more hands-on with less academic groundings - and I feel that this group will require more attention.

a. Firstly, ITE academic curriculum must work with the industrial sectors - to identify what are the economic output and services that are badly needed and are willing to pay for "hand works" and "heart works".

The eg I post :-

i. Fixing tap, leak pipes, pumbling works - are badly needed - and consumers and boss are willing to pay good salaries to ITE graduates to do such jobs.

ii. Electricians is also another areas.

iii. Technicians

iv. Healthcare assistants 

v. Bakers and Master chef

etc

b. The moment we positively identified the economic output and services we want - whereby business and consumers are willing to pay --- equivalent to the Uni graduates pay --- then ITE academic curriculum, business, bosses, unions will have to carve out a progressive career pathways - for ITE graduates to do well and excel ---- and the moment they graduates can take on these well-paid jobs.

c. Of course ITE graduates also have the academic pathway to do their diploma and degree if they so wishes.

This will be the best way to achieve the 2 social objectives of tackling income inequality and social status inequality --- while religiously observing the Economic fundamental and market principles ---- without failling into the pitfall of "Planned Economy" that are not well received by the Economy, businessess and the Consumers.

[5:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Changes are already being made

[5:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I met a Malaysian security guard who signed a contract for 3 years at 2600. Would any Singaporean willing to do it?

[5:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: $2600

[5:43 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: u must ask why he can take and siongaproean cant

[5:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Because Singaporeans want 3 to 4k

[5:44 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Good why singaporean want 3 K

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Better to join army More pay

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: btw this is a blue collar job hor so I assume is 12 hours shift and 6 days work

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: Why singaporean want 3k ?

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Yeah. Lot's of Singaporeans don't want. I

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: why they dont want ?

[5:45 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I think armed forces pay more

[5:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: no wor my time arm force only 1.8

[5:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: Status also and management sucks

[5:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: it is because our parents live in sg not  malysian

[5:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: so before u ans this question need to think

[5:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: No!

[5:47 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: More

[5:47 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: did not riase much wor

[5:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: still 1.800

[5:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: 😦😠😞👎

[5:48 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: 20 years still 1.8 K :D

[5:49 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Joke!😃😄🤦‍♂️

[5:49 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: sorry i see you just craack as a joke sorry :D

[5:50 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Inflation and cost of living! Compensation too!

[5:50 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: ya la should be more by now

[5:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: A Singaporean son to serve and die for his country should not be peanuts!

[5:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: NSF only 430

[5:51 pm, 19/10/2022] +KL: :C

[5:55 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: everyone needs that bowl of rice on the table (每个人都需要餐桌上的那碗米饭)?

So how to 'equalise' things?

Whether you are locals or from abroad, all are looking for that bowl to survive? Exception is some get it easy, some get with sweat and blood and a few gets alot? 

Some countries paid their tradesmen by the hours and waitering ($22/hr?) too! Lawyers charged by the hours and architect earns from % of a project.

How to determine/allocate wages from basic work to various common works? Outdoor or indoor work?

Then comes competitive edge of this nation versus the next one and thereafter!

Quality of work done is one key consideration for productivity. Lastly, if workers are unhappy, how to increase that productivity and what's going to happen to competitive? 

This homerun is hard to pitch...?

[5:59 pm, 19/10/2022] +jimmy chew: I shared to a friend that we're very generous when the foreign talent came to Singapore until they look care of their own. Now that there's less foreigners we Will have equality. His reply shocked me "now everyone has enough, there will be cracks when there's not enough!"

[6:02 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Yes

[6:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +REACH: 📢 Topic📢

At the Singapore Economic Policy Forum on 18 October, Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) Lawrence Wong highlighted the issue that Singapore’s economy places too much of a problem on cognitive abilities and does not sufficiently value those engaging in “hands-on and heart work” like technical, service and community care roles. 

In particular, DPM Wong was concerned about a growing divergence between the starting pay for Institute of Technical Education (ITE), polytechnic and university graduates, whereby “the median starting salary for a university graduate is almost twice that of an ITE graduate”.   

💬 What are your views on the current efforts to uplift lower-wage workers? What more can be done for a mindset shift by employers and society, in recogn…

[6:10 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Very true

[6:13 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/2023-school-year-to-begin-from-jan-3-with-staggered-starts-for-primary-schools-kindergartens

[6:24 pm, 19/10/2022] +Maverick: I wonder if we've looked at other countries that might have achieved this better? Where 'blue collared' jobs are valued? For eg in Japan, I see the workers take pride in everything they do - whether they are fixing the electricity lines outside, or doing road works. I'm not sure how much they are paid but at least they are doing the jobs with pride and I don't get a sense that they are looked down on. I think some of the transformation must start there - valuing these jobs more than how we Singaporeans value them now, and then, are we willing to pay more to reflect that value. 🤔

[6:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: There shame in some menial jobs being done by singaporeans

[6:27 pm, 19/10/2022] +Maverick: yes. i think for a start, we should address that.

[6:28 pm, 19/10/2022] +Rama: Wages and respect for an honest living!

[6:38 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"What if life and human will never be equal?"

Perhaps those many low wage workers to receive 'now and then' monetary helps? Maybe it's already happening for a long time? These many small helpings from affordable rental flats to help from MSF and NGOs. 

So the next time, look around and count how many rentals HDB blocks there are in each vicinity, multiply by 500 people per block to see the totality of helps and helpings to do. 

Often enough, the opposite (opposite side of the bench) would say this and that and more should be done and so on. Talking is the cheapest trade while actions and executing plans are different matter!

Yes, SINGAPORE has grown and Singaporeans are relatively well educated, better lifes and confidently to say that…

[6:46 pm, 19/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:59 pm, 19/10/2022] +Smiley face: 19 October, 2022

"The Race of this Century"

"It doesn't matter if you are not winning today or the next race, preeminently, you must (stamina) continue this race...?"

- - anonymous

Draw that line:

Crossing over two generational of human lineages, Asia again is at its crossroads of profound distinction or eminently risks of destruction? 

Cutting a slice of the Asian's history, set the starting line of economics (socials & politics) developments from 1975 to 2025. Who were the 'decisive players' then and who will be the 'surprised winners' in this fast finishing first 100m dash into 2025 and onto 2050?

And what about a slice of the Americana's race too, these two big contingents ( 'A' teams) in sync or thus?

Who are the known mighties long leggers of the two, their tactics and the race strategies?

What's the social mobilities, economics policies & pitfalls and insights of this finishing line?

Which social/economics/political system(s) is working better than the others?

What's the implications in 'mixing' two teams and selectively choosing and remaking a new team of the 'cream le crop' long leggers to run the race of this Century?

Coming soon (future chats)!

 - - in the making - -

         Thank you!

[7:01 pm, 19/10/2022] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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