REACH (Telegram) 60 - What are your views on Budget 2025?
BUDGET 2025 - ONWARD TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW.
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19 Feb 2025 (10am - 7pm)
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REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 10:00 AM]
📢 Topic 📢
BUDGET 2025 - ONWARD TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW
Prime Minister Lawrence Wong on Feb 18 unveiled what he termed “a Budget for all Singaporeans”, which includes expanding existing schemes to benefit more citizens and greater support for seniors as well as the vulnerable. He also set out measures to grow Singapore’s economy, help workers upskill and meet its climate targets.
💬 What are your views on Budget 2025?
📌 Tackling Cost Pressures
- Additional $800 of CDC vouchers for all Singaporean households. First $500 will be given out in May 2025, the remaining $300 will be issued in Jan 2026
- Utility rebates up to $760 for HDB households
📌Nurturing a Caring and Inclusive Society
- $500 LifeSG credits for Singaporean children aged 12 and below
- $500 Edusave Account or Post-Secondary Education Account top-up for Singaporean children aged 13 -20
- New Large Families Scheme. Each third child and subsequent children will receive $5,000 increase in CDA First Step Grant, $5,000 Large Family MediSave Grant to mother’s MediSave account and $1,000 Large Family LifeSG Credits annually when the child turns 1 to 6
- For eligible seniors aged 55 to 70. Government will match every dollar of voluntary cash top-ups to their MediSave accounts, capped at $1,000 a year
- Higher Home Caregiving Grant of up to $600 a month
📌Advancing Our Growth Frontier
- 50% Corporate Income Tax Rebate for YA 2025
- $3 billion top-up to National Productivity Fund
- $1 billion investment in R&D infrastructure
- $1 billion Private Credit Growth Fund
- $150 million for new Enterprise Compute Initiative for firms to tap on AI
- $5 billion top-up to Changi Airport Group Development Fund
📌Equipping Workers Throughout Life
- New $300 SkillsFuture Level-Up Programme monthly training allowance of $300 from early 2026 for selected part-time training courses
- Enhance Workfare Skills Support from early 2026 for lower-wage workers aged 30 and above
- New SkillsFuture Workforce Development Grant with up to 70% funding support for job redesign
- Senior Employment Credit (SEC), will be extended by one year to 31 Dec 2026
📌Building a Sustainable City
- A $5 billion top-up to the Coastal and Flood Protection Fund
- $60 billion will be invested in this decade to grow and renew the rail network
- To ensure greater energy resilience, Singapore will study the potential of nuclear power and take steps to build up capabilities
- New Heavy Vehicle Zero Emissions Scheme and Electric Heavy Vehicle Charger Grant to accelerate adoption of clean heavy vehicles
- $400 Climate Vouchers and all private residential and HDB households (including $100 top-up for HDB households)
📌Rallying as One United People
- A new SG60 package to recognise the contributions of all Singaporeans and share the benefits of the nation’s progress.
- In July, all Singaporeans aged 21 to 59 will receive $600 in SG60 vouchers, while those aged 60 and above will get $800.
- Individuals will also get a 60 per cent personal income tax rebate, capped at $200.
- $100 SG60 Culture Pass credits in Sep 2025 for all Singaporeans aged 18 and above
-$100 SG60 ActiveSG Credit Top-up in Jun 2025 for all ActiveSG members
-$600 rental support for each hawker stall in Government managed hawker centres and markets
- Up to $1 billion over the next 20 to 30 years to upgrade and build hawker centres
- All Singaporean babies born this year will get an SG60 Baby Gift
🔗 [ST] https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budget-2025-is-one-for-all-singaporeans-pm-wong
🔗 [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-budget-2025-lawrence-wong-live-blog-4938461
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REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 10:50 AM]
Dear Contributors,
We want to HEAR from you!
💬 What are your views on Budget 2025?
We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Thank you!
Megan
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 10:52 AM]
Very election budget coded but I think the plans for disabled care, long term care and that cultural pass thing was interesting.
Andy, [19/2/2025 10:56 AM]
I have nothing to complain about, it's nice to see government investments especially in Skillsfuture, public transport, and hawker culture support.
Andy, [19/2/2025 10:58 AM]
I do hope we can increase focus in ActiveSG, fuel interest in sports and exercise. Though a lot of good work has already been done on facilities e.g. One Tampines Hub, Punggol One and National Stadium
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 11:00 AM]
[ Poll : 1) I am confident Budget 2025 will address today’s challenges while securing Singapore’s future. ]
- Agree
- Disagree
- Neutral
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 11:00 AM]
[ Poll : 2) I am supportive of the announcements made during Budget 2025. ]
- To a large extent
- To some extent
- To a small extent
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 11:02 AM]
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LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:15 AM]
1. After looking at the overall budget from the infographic for individuals and household, very generous Budget compare to all previous Budget.
2. Many people I know of say very good Budget.
Better than expected.
3. It helps in cushioning the high cost of living and future proof people who want to get trained in skillsets, money is available.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:19 AM]
My close friend provided a link that will be useful to compute what individuals and household will get from the Budget.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/interactive/singapore-budget-2025/?sfnsn=wa
G, [19/2/2025 11:19 AM]
Not enough done for tackling cost pressures
Need concrete measures to reduce govt spending so that there's less demand for tax money
Less tax money collection = lowered cost of living pressures
Stop creating new stat boards with high recurring operational expenses
Govt wants ability to control individuals' bank accounts because of scam fears - spend much tax dollars to create, train, and maintain new agency.. just for a small minority that are determined to get scammed because they don't follow banks' and police repeated advise
Govt wants some full time pandemic agency, spend much tax dollars to create, train, and maintain new stat board with high overhead costs.. why not restructure existing organisations to be like SAF, with peace time and war time roles? Instead of inefficient tax spending on a completely new stat board?
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:20 AM]
1. It is interesting and important to revisit previous Budget comments which unfortunately are limited by time for in-depth discussion - ie. Someone raise a question is there a better way to control the budget such as cutting government spendings in 3 ways. They are - is spending optimal in government, needs to cut agencies, cut program deem expensive.
2. I think these are valid comments and deserve to examine them carefully because it go right into the heart of an effective and efficient governance - which make us the top ranking civil service in the World and cannot be trivial with.
3. In fact, an effective government make Singapore competitive and safeguard the lives and livelihood of Singaporeans and deserve special scrutiny.
4. Let's address the issue one by one head-on.
a. Is our civil service optimally staff or overstaff vis a vis its performance.
Let us look at PSD empirical study on the staffing of civil service and public office versus outcomes.
Follow by global report on the performance ranking of Singapore Civil Service that is rank top in the World in terms of performance and staffing.
The same conclusion is reported by New York Times.
Thomas Friedman of The New York Times (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) considers the Singapore Civil Service to be one of the most efficient and uncorrupt bureaucracies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy) in the world, with a high standard of discipline and accountability.
It is also considered a key contributor to the success of Singapore (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore) since its independence.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:20 AM]
Compared to most other countries, Singapore has a relatively small number of civil servants per capita, with its civil service considered highly efficient and ranked among the best globally, largely due to its smaller size and focus on meritocracy; as of 2022, Singapore's civil service employs around 87,000 people, significantly lower than many other nations with larger populations.
Key points about Singapore's civil service:
Small size:
Singapore's civil service is considered small relative to its population, contributing to its perceived efficiency.
High ranking:
Studies often place Singapore's civil service at the top of global rankings for performance and effectiveness.
Public Service vs. Civil Service:
The "Singapore Public Service" encompasses a wider group including statutory boards, while the "Civil Service" refers specifically to government ministries.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:20 AM]
Frequently Asked Questions
https://www.psd.gov.sg/faq/#:~:text=ABOUT%20THE%20SINGAPORE%20PUBLIC%20SERVICE&text=The%20Singapore%20Public%20Service%20employs,access%20their%20websites%20for%20details.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
Is Singapore Civil service the most optimally staff ?
The Singapore Civil Service is indeed known for its efficiency and effectiveness. Here are some reasons why:
Organizational Structure
1. *Flat hierarchy*: The civil service has a relatively flat organizational structure, which facilitates quick decision-making and communication.
2. *Clear roles and responsibilities*: Each ministry and department has well-defined roles and responsibilities, minimizing overlap and confusion.
Human Resource Management
1. *Merit-based recruitment*: The civil service recruits based on merit, ensuring that the best candidates are selected for each role.
2. *Comprehensive training and development*: Officers receive regular training and development opportunities to enhance their skills and knowledge.
3. *Performance-based evaluations*: Officers are evaluated based on their performance, ensuring that those who excel are recognized and rewarded.
Productivity and Efficiency
1. *Streamlined processes*: The civil service has implemented various initiatives to streamline processes, reduce bureaucracy, and increase productivity.
2. *Leveraging technology*: The government has invested heavily in technology to improve efficiency, transparency, and citizen engagement.
3. *Data-driven decision-making*: The civil service uses data analytics to inform policy decisions, ensuring that resources are allocated effectively.
Talent Attraction and Retention
1. *Competitive salaries and benefits*: The civil service offers competitive salaries and benefits to attract and retain top talent.
2. *Opportunities for growth and development*: Officers have access to various career development opportunities, including scholarships and fellowships.
3. *Positive work culture*: The civil service fosters a positive work culture that values teamwork, innovation, and work-life balance.
While there's always room for improvement, the Singapore Civil Service is widely regarded as one of the most efficient and effective in the world.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
Singapore tops global civil service ranking
https://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/singapore-tops-global-civil-service-ranking/
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
The Singapore Civil Service is the bureaucracy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy) of civil servants (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service) that supports the Government of Singapore (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore). Along with the Singapore Armed Forces (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Armed_Forces) (SAF), statutory boards (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_boards_of_the_Singapore_Government), and other independent government bodies, the civil service makes up the overall public service (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector) of Singapore.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Civil_Service#cite_note-1) As of 2022, the civil service has about 87,000 employees.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Civil_Service#cite_note-2)
Thomas Friedman of The New York Times (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) considers the Singapore Civil Service to be one of the most efficient and uncorrupt bureaucracies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy) in the world, with a high standard of discipline and accountability.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Civil_Service#cite_note-3) It is also considered a key contributor to the success of Singapore (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore) since its independence
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
Singapore Civil Service - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Civil_Service
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
b. Should we remove some statutory boards or government agencies to cut cost and government spendings.
1 suggestion is to cut PA mentioning that PA has out run its usefulness that didn't take into account the changing demographics.
Well my personal experience tell me that myself, my extended families and close friends still take part in many programs organised by PA, in their various CCs and enjoying the benefits of it.
Eg. Calligraphy, learning taichi, previously booking badminton courts, previously study rooms to study during exam times, swimming pool for swimming, Singpass resets, haircuts, cooking lessons and so many activities such as digital ambassadors teaching elderly to use smartphones, play basketball, converting into covid vaccination centres (I took my 3 jabs there), students activities organised in CCs etc.
My relative even volunteer as digital ambassador to help the elderly auntie and uncle.
Also learn cooking from them.
Some of my neighbours are also regular patronage of CC.
In fact, one coffeeshop stall owners donate the entire earnings from her stall to the CCs on her last day of business to sponsor CC activities to benefit elderly folks when the coffeeshop close and switch owners before retiring.
Yesterday I happen to walk past the CC and see many elderly sitting and socialising.
In fact, the CCs are heavily patronized by elderly, young, middle aged from all demographics.
Cannot imagine cutting PA...
I think the backlash will be horrendous - based on the patronage of different walks of people visiting CCs for various activities everyday.
I am one of the regular CC patron.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
The People's Association (PA) is a statutory board in Singapore that plays a vital role in building and bridging communities. Here are some of the key functions of the PA:
Community Engagement
1. *Grassroots Engagement*: PA works closely with grassroots organizations, community centers, and residents' committees to engage citizens and promote community bonding.
2. *Community Programs*: PA organizes various community programs, such as cultural events, sports activities, and educational workshops, to foster social cohesion and community spirit.
Community Development
1. *Community Centre Management*: PA manages a network of community centers, which serve as hubs for community activities, programs, and services.
2. *Community Development Projects*: PA initiates and supports community development projects, such as upgrading of community facilities, to improve the quality of life for residents.
Social Cohesion
1. *Racial Harmony*: PA promotes racial harmony and understanding through various initiatives, such as cultural events and dialogues.
2. *Social Inclusion*: PA works to promote social inclusion and support vulnerable groups, such as low-income families, seniors, and people with disabilities.
Partnership and Collaboration
1. *Partnerships with Community Groups*: PA partners with community groups, voluntary welfare organizations, and other stakeholders to leverage resources and expertise.
2. *Collaboration with Government Agencies*: PA works closely with government agencies to ensure that community needs are addressed and policies are implemented effectively.
By fulfilling these functions, the PA plays a crucial role in building a harmonious and cohesive society in Singapore.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
c. Cutting some programs eg. Covid vaccination?
(Majority of Singapore population 81% get covid vaccination and save our lives)
Cut Emergency crisis health program - to preempt Disease X.
I think I trust the Minister of Health - to have vision and foresight that have saved the population lives during covid.
Proven and tested!
Thank you very much.
I think I can trust my life with the Minister of Health come Disease X.
🙏
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
And to mention we survive during sars, mers, covid - magically.
People didn't know how much works are done behind the scene during SARs to work out policies and workflow to segregate staff, VCs, 1st time Parliament conducted through video conferencing using ISDN and many civil service supporting Ministers and top civil servants electronically to get the government and civil service go on smoothly. Thermal imaging was 1st introduced to screen passengers in airport, ports and checkpoints.
And the broad framework for Sars protection was brought over to covid - that need to further restructure and fine tune because the nature of covid is quite different from SARS and is more infectious.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:21 AM]
Community Centres (CCs) in Singapore are run by the People's Association (PA); the PA manages and oversees all CCs through Community Centre Management Committees (CCMCs) which are part of their network of grassroots organisations.
Key points about CCs and PA:
Management: The PA manages CCs through the CCMC structure.
Function: CCs serve as community spaces for people to interact and participate in various activities organised by the PA.
History: When the PA was established in 1960, it took over the existing community centres from the colonial government.
Kai Bin, [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
For the $60b to expand and renew the rail network part, I hope new rail lines can be announced too
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
Community Club Management Committees
https://www.pa.gov.sg/our-network/grassroots-organisations/community-club-management-committees/#:~:text=What%20role%20does%20the%20CCMCs,for%20residents%20in%20the%20community.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
1. To conclude, I believe the PM and Finance Minister will do a better job than me to explain and justify the government spendings in Parliament.
2. Not to forget that despite spending a big $143 billion (hear from CNA news) to benefit the population, Government still maintain a budget surplus of $6.8 billion.
That means Singapore government is very prudent in spendings and yet still maintain a healthy surplus. (not frivolous spendings to incur big debts running into trillion $ that need reckless drastic cuts by subsequent administration).
In fact year after year, the Government strive to maintain a balanced budget (not incurring any debts) and have successfully done so except in crisis years such as covid or global financial crisis.
3. In view of the very uncertain geopolitical landscape that is dynamically changing, the surplus will be a good reserve to tap on if suddenly the global political and economic landscape turn nasty.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
‘It’s embarrassing’: Indonesia’s civil servants bemoan lack of toilet paper, drinking water as Prabowo’s budget cuts bite - CNA.
Civil servants said the belt-tightening measures have dented staff morale and could hurt the public.
It backfire on the public.
Imagine if those programs get defunded. The impact extends beyond civil servants — it affects the public who rely on these services,” she said.
Some public service providers have backtracked on their budget efficiency and cost cutting plans after public backlash.
CELIOS predicts that Indonesia’s economy will grow by only 4.7 per cent in 2025 due to these budget efficiency measures, below the 5.2 per cent targeted by the government.
Poorly executed policies could backfire politically, Agung added.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/indonesia-prabowo-budget-cuts-government-ministries-toilet-paper-water-lights-4943966
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
February 17, 2025: Delta Air Lines plane crashes in Toronto, Canada | CNN.
The incident comes less than three weeks after an American Airlines plane collided midair (https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/05/us/dc-plane-helicopter-collision-investigation/index.html)with a US Army Black Hawk helicopter while on approach to Washington DC’s Reagan National Airport, and on the heels of deadly Jeju Air (https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/26/asia/south-korea-initial-findings-jeju-air-crash-intl-hnk/index.html) and Azerbaijan Airlines (https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/27/asia/azerbaijan-airlines-crash-intl/index.html) accidents in December.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/delta-plane-crash-toronto-flips-02-17-25/index.html
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:22 AM]
5th airline crash in a row after Trump takeover and Elon Musk fire many federal government staff on aviation safety in just 1 month plus in office.
This break the record of US aviation safety.
Since 2002 to 2024, no serious aviation crashes.
In 2025 after Trump take office, 5 serious aviation crashes within a month.
Mass firing of federal staff backfire.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 11:31 AM]
"WHO chief urges pandemic accord action after US withdrawal" - in preparation for Disease X.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/who-chief-urges-pandemic-accord-action-after-us-withdrawal#:~:text=WHO%20chief%20urges%20pandemic%20accord%20action%20after%20US%20withdrawal
G, [19/2/2025 12:14 PM]
With a $6.8 bil surplus, so actually..
If wasteful govt spending were cut then there won't be a need to raise taxes right?
And if there weren't a need to raise taxes, there would be lower pressures to cost of living right?
With lowered pressures to cost of living, less handouts needed right?
With less handouts needed, less need to collect taxes right?
Less need to collect taxes, lagi lowered cost of living pressures right?
Sound like a virtuous and benficial cycle for singaporeans
But..
This effort to lower govt costs is invisible to Singaporeans.. means harder to score positive political points
Whereas, if give handouts, easier to score political points, govt can more easily put on a caring facade
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:18 PM]
This topic has been discussed multiple times.
Just hope that an Economic and taxation professional can explain to this gentleman here.
The myth of tax collection is it related to the cost pressure in Singapore context.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:20 PM]
The whole world are facing high inflation without the variable of GST. Some countries experience double digits inflation.
Singapore highest inflation rate is 7.6% despite GST hike of 2%.
Hence it already pointing to the fact that tax collection is not directly related to cost pressure.
Critical thinking is important.
G, [19/2/2025 12:22 PM]
😂 so you are saying collecting more tax will result in lowered cost of living?
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:23 PM]
Sigh....
Any economist around to explain the macroeconomic and taxation approach in Singapore context?
G, [19/2/2025 12:23 PM]
I find it hard to believe that the cost of my kopi at $1 during 7% GST era is higher in price than $1.20 during 9% GST era
G, [19/2/2025 12:24 PM]
So you are saying $1.20 is less than $1.00?
G, [19/2/2025 12:26 PM]
Why being global inflation into the picture?
With or without global inflation, when taxes are raised, cost of living rises
365, [19/2/2025 12:26 PM]
Gst in increase is pretty minimal, most of the increase is contributed by global inflation.
While the percentages are the same for basic and luxury goods, due to the higher valuation of luxury goods, more nominal value will be collected from the rich who are purchasing the luxury or other high cost goods.
This is turns mean the rich will contribute more tax than the lower income groups, allowing the government to redistribute that increase in tax collection back to the lower income.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:27 PM]
Good points.
Need more inputs from learned participants.
G, [19/2/2025 12:29 PM]
If you believe that $1.20 is less than $1, then there's not much for discussion
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:30 PM]
Sigh...
Some people shortsighted - can only see 1 feet in front.
Those with macro view can see near and far.
G, [19/2/2025 12:32 PM]
Then please use your macro view to explain how:
$1.20 for 100ml of kopi is lower cost than $1.00 for 100ml of kopi
5 marks, max 50 words
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 12:32 PM]
I eat lunch.
365, [19/2/2025 12:34 PM]
I am not getting how you came to that conclusion that he is meaning 1.2 is cheaper than 1. Which words did you infer from?
G, [19/2/2025 12:36 PM]
He said tax collection is not directly related to cost pressures
He said critical thinking is important
So what did he mean? If taxes are raised, cost pressures stay the same? Cost pressures drop?
G, [19/2/2025 12:37 PM]
No one discounted the effects on global inflation on cost of living
The argument is the effects of tax collection on cost of living
365, [19/2/2025 12:39 PM]
While I wouldn't necessarily agree that tax collection causes 0 impact to cost, it would be more accurate to say that it is not the main reason for the past few years.
The contribution it has pales in comparison to the global situation we are in right now.
Regardless, his argument would be 0 impact instead of negative impact, it's not really the same.
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [19/2/2025 12:59 PM]
Inflation rate (2024, data extracted today):
World - 4.3
Australia - 3.3
China, People's Republic of - 1.7
Hong Kong SAR - 2.3
Indonesia - 2.5
Japan - 2
Korea, Republic of - 2
Malaysia - 2.5
New Zealand - 2.2
Philippines - 3
Singapore - 2.2
Taiwan Province of China - 1.7
United Kingdom - 2.1
United States - 1.9
Vietnam - 3.5
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PCPIPCH@WEO/WEOWORLD/AUS/CHN/HKG/IDN/JPN/KOR/MYS/NZL/PHL/SGP/TWN/GBR/USA/VNM
Data from IMF
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 1:30 PM]
Budget should focus on how to attract people to serve scdf
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 1:31 PM]
https://cna.asia/41alOOe
G, [19/2/2025 1:32 PM]
So tax collection does increase cost of living. And no one here disputing effect of global inflation.
Now, this govt told SG that they need to increase tax because of inflation too.
But what we also see:
Wasteful govt expenditure on new stat boards.
Does SG need some mechanism to tackle future pandemics? Yes
Does it have to come in the form of a stat board with permanent costly overheads? No.
Why can't existing stat boards or departments under MOH be restructured to have dual functions, just like the SAF, having peace and war time functions.
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 1:43 PM]
I think the effort towards that has been gradually stepped up this decade and will probably continue.
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 1:43 PM]
Is there ever a bad budget haha.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 1:44 PM]
Fortunately no.
Thanks to a good government we are endowed with.
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 1:45 PM]
Hahaha but yeah.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 1:45 PM]
And no accumulation of debts to fund successive years of good Budgets.
In which debt load are left to young generations to inherit.
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [19/2/2025 1:48 PM]
I think we used a fair bit of our reserves during COVID, can use the surplus to rebuild the funds. Or to boost our CPF rates, the closure of our SA accounts makes it harder to save up at the time when we face employment challenges due to ageism in the workforce.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 1:49 PM]
Whereby our successive governments accumulate a healthy wealth of sovereign funds to ensure the young generations and beyond - are safeguarded to tackle crisis that arise and leave a healthy wealth inheritance for future generations.
The hallmark of a responsible government.
Muhamed Shadiq, [19/2/2025 1:50 PM]
It is a high time for gov to take the lead in combating ageism in public and private sectors.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 1:52 PM]
I am still young and naive ah. But I heard a lot people say gov take the chicken and give back you the chicken wing
365, [19/2/2025 1:52 PM]
Haven't really been following up on all the announcements, what is the new stat board called?
From my understanding, we are expecting to have inflated cost of Healthcare due to aging population, which is an additional factor separate from the economic inflation.
I don't think SAF is a good comparison, because they are functioning in either peace or war, while pandemic planning is an additional scope added on top of ongoing Healthcare measures.
But I can't really comment until I take look into the scope of this new stat board you've mentioned.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 1:53 PM]
Later I count the chicken wing for you and see whether they take back one chicken or not.
You will be surprise to find that Singapore GST scheme are designed to help lower, middle and lower upper income negate inflation completely.
In fact, many families *profited* from the GST scheme and go into our banks account laughing.
Even some families in landed properties and condos also profited from it.
In other words, to majority of the population, inflation rate is 0 or -ve because of the GST tax transfer.
So it is really those ultra rich that are footing the bills of GST.
Unfortunately, people don't do their sum and jump into conclusion too quickly.
Unless people see real figures, people don't believe.
365, [19/2/2025 1:56 PM]
It's pretty hard to perform a fair comparison because you can't really just compare with tax increase and without tax increase. We do not know exactly how much the increase in cost is attributable to tax.
If we are able to magically figure out that number, we can then compare that to how much benefits we are gaining in return, and compare it through different income levels.
Of course, those who are paying more tax may fall into this category, but I find it hard to believe it applies to majority of the lower income group that really need additional support.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 1:58 PM]
This is why I am unsure of it.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:00 PM]
It takes time to work it out - because alot of backend work.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:00 PM]
I wonder how sg60 cultural pass works. Hope they gave in terms of a digital link
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 2:00 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
BUDGET 2025 - ONWARD TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW
G, [19/2/2025 2:01 PM]
Communicable diseases agency.
The functions already exist. Now just wrap them up and put in new expensive overheads
"The CDA will consolidate public health functions previously distributed among MOH headquarters, the Health Promotion Board, and the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) to better detect, prevent, and control infectious diseases in Singapore"
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:01 PM]
Or digital account
G, [19/2/2025 2:10 PM]
Recall also:
Govt gave powers to police to control individuals' bank accounts
Means:
1. Creation of entity within SPF to handle new responsibilities
2. Creation of new head counts to take on new responsibilities
3. Training and policies formation required to ensure responsibilities can be carried out effectively, with measures to ensure no abuse
A lot of public resources poured in to protect very determined scam victims. It's not as if there are no measures already in place.
I don't see why tax money should be spent to protect a very small minority who are very determined to get scammed (don't heed multiple warnings of getting scammed)
365, [19/2/2025 2:10 PM]
This is what I can find
Speaking in parliament on Tuesday, Minister of State for Health Rahayu Mahzam pointed out that Singapore's current capabilities in managing communicable diseases are spread across several entities.
For instance, MOH sets policy, NCID administers the public health control measures as part of the national programmes, and HPB does public education, she said.
Seems to be for better coordination for future cases. Is it necessary? I'm not sure, honestly only time will tell, but also hoping that we won't be needing it.
G, [19/2/2025 2:15 PM]
So ya lor. Not as if there are new capabilities introduced
Why need permanent overheads?
For future cases, on a per needs basis, then stand up a taskforce for coordination. Properly define the roles and responsibilities (aka SAF war time roles).. if need be, just do some annual or 2 yearly exercise for this taskforce to test out and refine their roles and responsibilities.. without the need for extra expensive overheads with little ROI..
Why not define director of so and so department in MOH/HPB etc to be the task force commander, etc.. then regularly test the task force with exercises..
Save us taxpayer money without permanent overheads
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:16 PM]
Gov solution to cost of living is to throw money. Price cannot go down, so spending must go up up up
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:16 PM]
Hdb too high. Gove more grant. Hope you are eligible tho
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:17 PM]
Rental for hawker high? Give money to hawker. Hope it lasts
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:17 PM]
The landlords win
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:19 PM]
Imo, i feel the culture and sports spending is a waste. It will not act to kickstart the local economy
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:20 PM]
I think gov should have mechanisms to increase the supply and decrease the demand.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:20 PM]
Luckily Singapore property market is not like China ghost towns, US sub-prime property, Japan many forsaken houses that are close to worthless.
If Singapore property market plummet, population Wealth will plummet as well.
Any Singaporeans want their flats, condos and landed properties price to drop by half now?
Any volunteers?
Cheap sale, cheap sale...
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:21 PM]
For example hawker rental. I always heard not many people wants to be a hawker how come the rental is still high?
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:21 PM]
China’s Ghost Cities: The Story Behind the Country’s Many Ghost Towns of Abandoned Mansions | Architectural Digest
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-story-behind-the-many-ghost-towns-of-abandoned-mansions-across-china
365, [19/2/2025 2:21 PM]
I'm just guessing, but it could be due to overload.
For SAF, if touch wood happen to have war, they completely transition over. I don't think you can do the same for healthcare, if there's another pandemic, you don't transition, you add on.
Of course we can see potential waste in this, hoping part of the budget can go into research capabilities. Doesn't have to be additional budget, but transferred over from previous agencies. We do not know what are the exact plans yet, can only wait and speculate.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:22 PM]
Ghost Towns | Haikyo: Abandoned Japan
https://haikyo.org/~/abandoned/ghost-towns/
G, [19/2/2025 2:23 PM]
👍 more like trying to sustain drowning industries
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:23 PM]
US Subprime mortgage crisis - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis
G, [19/2/2025 2:26 PM]
Meh.. the healthcare functions are already existing, and for purpose of pandemic detection and plan formulation.. the purpose of CDA is in straits times words "consolidate public health functions"
The main overload is in the hospital themselves, which is not what CDA is created for.
So it's like basically paying expensive overheads just for consolidation
Not good use of tax money
365, [19/2/2025 2:26 PM]
There's a YouTube channel called the daily ketchup, they had an episode with a hawker.
The sample size is just 1 hawker from Chinatown, so take this with a pinch of salt, but apparently rents are not that high and the main cost is raw ingredients and potentially labour. The rental cost is revealed to be around $800.
There is also a distinction between hawker and private owned coffeeshop, where the high rental is more notorious.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:29 PM]
Just feel like rental should be like school canteen put it to a very cheap price where there will be the real test of skills Vs price
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:30 PM]
So it will enhance our food culture
G, [19/2/2025 2:31 PM]
Cost of doing business in SG is high.. GST does contribute, but there's another high impact one: duty on fuel.
Duty on fuel keeps increasing. This drives up transportation costs (transporting raw material/ingredients), which is passed on eventually to consumers..
Also, duty on fuel is already included at the pump price, so when paying for fuel, GST is also added on to the final price. So essentially, for fuel/transport costs there's GST on duty
Ie when govt adds additional 10¢ per litre duty to fuel, pump prices immediately jump 10¢/litre
365, [19/2/2025 2:31 PM]
I actually don't know how it works for school canteens, but if not for bidding, how do you suggest who will be able to rent the stalls?
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:32 PM]
Limit it to Singaporean. And rules the variety of stalls
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:32 PM]
Then you will suddenly see a massive outflows of funds out of Singapore - ultra rich people run out of Singapore.
Singapore lose investors and lose jobs.
365, [19/2/2025 2:33 PM]
For hawkers, only Singaporeans or Singapore PR are allowed to bid. Though there's the issue of subletting, which I think the government can spend more effort looking into.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:34 PM]
A property slump can have significant effects on the economy, including:
Reduced Consumer Spending
1. *Wealth effect*: A decline in property values can reduce household wealth, leading to decreased consumer spending.
2. *Reduced credit availability*: A property slump can lead to reduced credit availability, making it harder for people to borrow money for consumption or investment.
Impact on Businesses
1. *Reduced investment*: A property slump can lead to reduced investment in the construction and real estate sectors.
2. *Business closures*: Businesses related to the property sector, such as furniture and appliance retailers, may experience reduced sales or even close.
Cash Outflow from the Economy
1. *Reduced property transactions*: A property slump can lead to reduced property transactions, resulting in lower stamp duties and other transaction-related revenues for the government.
2. *Increased mortgage defaults*: In severe cases, a property slump can lead to increased mortgage defaults, resulting in cash outflows from the economy as lenders absorb losses.
3. *Reduced tax revenues*: A property slump can lead to reduced tax revenues for the government, as property-related taxes, such as property taxes and stamp duties, decline.
Broader Economic Implications
1. *Economic contraction*: A severe property slump can contribute to an economic contraction, as reduced consumer spending and investment lead to lower economic activity.
2. *Increased unemployment*: A property slump can lead to increased unemployment, particularly in the construction and real estate sectors.
3. *Reduced economic growth*: A property slump can lead to reduced economic growth, as the property sector is a significant contributor to GDP in many economies.
Source:- Meta AI
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:34 PM]
Then make it first come first serve lor
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:34 PM]
Then make it first come first serve lor
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:34 PM]
Why bid in the first place
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:35 PM]
If business bad business will change owner or change stall
W Goo, [19/2/2025 2:36 PM]
I just came across an interesting qn. When is this high cost of living going to end? His friend reply... Only when you lie flat 6ft under. I 🤔...
G, [19/2/2025 2:36 PM]
Most transport vehicles in SG are diesel vehicles. Introducing duty to diesel drives up operating costs of transportation businesses
These costs get passed to the transport companies' customers
Delivering tau pok to the hawker now costs more, so the hawker will increase the taupok price at the yong tau fu stall etc
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/diesel-duty-at-pumps-doubles-to-20-cents-per-litre
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:38 PM]
I want my 2.50 meal back
G, [19/2/2025 2:38 PM]
Good illustration on fuel duty
https://goodyfeed.com/10-facts-petrol-tax/
G, [19/2/2025 2:38 PM]
Can, but not in sg
W Goo, [19/2/2025 2:38 PM]
I mean it's is a real question to me. What Gov did is very good to be honest. But how much more can we take it? What is the future like? I guess nobody can answer. What Gov do is cushioning. But future cost of living is a ???
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:38 PM]
Im sure they are going to roll out these transport changes gradually, but i dont like how much we are spending on green initiatives. Look at our plane ticket prices. Are we gonna compromise our status as an air travel hub?
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:39 PM]
And all these costs are borne by the end consumer
W Goo, [19/2/2025 2:39 PM]
We can throw it lots of arguments. Lots of handout. Lots of economic jargon etc.
365, [19/2/2025 2:40 PM]
First come first serve can lead to blocking genuine hawkers. Imagine if rent is fixed, those who have higher financial capabilities can buy out all the stalls and leave it empty.
The management of hawker has to be balanced between a viable business and also serving the community. You will run into many loopholes for that, your financial cost is one thing that is very hard to find a loophole around and ensure as best as possible, only genuine bidders.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 2:40 PM]
I don't know how to answer that uncle question 😂
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:40 PM]
Instead of forcing clean energy on existing infra, what if we build new infra that can support greener measures. I think we talked about cargo being sent in mrt in yhis chat before
W Goo, [19/2/2025 2:40 PM]
Anyone? 😀
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:41 PM]
Gov will not lie, but will not tell us the whole truth. Will shape statistics in their favor
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:42 PM]
Limit to buying one stall. If any violation arrest them and fine them
G, [19/2/2025 2:43 PM]
Yes, at the hawker, it will show that cost of raw ingredients has increased significantly.
But the price the hawker pays for the raw ingredients also takes into account the cost of transporting the raw ingredients.
Govt increase duty on fuel will increase transportation costs, leading to increase in raw ingredients costs.. But this raw ingredients transportation cost will never be reflected in news articles on why hawker prices go up
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/diesel-duty-at-pumps-doubles-to-20-cents-per-litre
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:43 PM]
Just like HDB only can buy 1
365, [19/2/2025 2:43 PM]
As I mentioned loopholes are easy to find, I can already immediately think of getting a large group of ppl to join you, you just need to pay out a small incentive to them.
G, [19/2/2025 2:44 PM]
👍 we are told putting solar panels on HDB flats will help save us money on communal energy costs..
But we see our s&cc prices rise 🤔
365, [19/2/2025 2:44 PM]
You will be chasing loopholes after loopholes. First come first serve also has an information gap, thus not ensuring that the best hawkers are in.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:45 PM]
I pretty sure authorities can find a way to limit those people. The thing is expensive rent may just limit good cookers to be hawker
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:46 PM]
If school can function why not outside hawker?
365, [19/2/2025 2:46 PM]
Booking of sports facilities is an example of the flaws of 1st come 1st serve. Although it's a bad example as bidding will never work for it, but you can see how the system is being tarnished by non genuine intents.
Adam, [19/2/2025 2:46 PM]
I think we can see what the issue is. The gov aims for us to 'deal with it" from the budget, thry want us to get used to the prices, but give us money to ease in.
We will never return.
If the gov really wanted to reduce prices, the kpi of the minister is 2.5$ meal by 2030. We can make this type of net 0 kpi, why not COL?
365, [19/2/2025 2:47 PM]
Does schools actually work on a 1st come 1st serve basis? I genuinely do not know.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:48 PM]
They have a interview process
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 2:48 PM]
And school committee selects them
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [19/2/2025 2:49 PM]
Usually, cost of living is a complex equation of supply-chain logistics, number of vendors / suppliers in the market (competition), demand, export-import taxes / tariffs, sales taxes, exchange rates and monetary polices. Hard to pin down to where it can be optimised but generally speaking, the more robust the country's economy (i.e. more diversity of trades and production), the better it can cope with inflation and cost-of-living issues. Just my humble layman knowledge (probably wrong in many areas 🙏)
365, [19/2/2025 2:49 PM]
We are import heavy, we are not price determiners. So the government is limited to more cushioning methods than reducing from the source.
We only have so much budget set aside to subsidize businesses, cannot subsidize until all the price goes back to the past.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:50 PM]
Correct.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:50 PM]
Correct.
365, [19/2/2025 2:51 PM]
That's an interesting approach, not sure if the scale allows it. I would agree with this approach not withstanding the logistics of it.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 2:52 PM]
The earning is not high thus there’s very little interests in it.
365, [19/2/2025 2:54 PM]
Actually that might be one stipulation, in school canteens, prices are definitely limited. You can't do the same with hawkers, especially for different types of food sold. I neglected this factor.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 2:54 PM]
All market economy in the world are affected by inflation vis a vis income growth.
With the exception of North Korea in deep poverty that uses price fixing.
China and Vietnam has long dump price fixing - the communist socialist economic system. Because pricing don't take into account scarcity of resource, demand and supply, and other micro economic concept and macroeconomic principles.
It will severely skewed the allocation of resources, because prices are artificially fixed - that have tremendous impact on labour supply, motivation, economy, business and jobs.
This is the reason why North Korea that employ price fixing and central planned economy of allocating resources to population - make North Korea severely poor.
China and Vietnam as a result become one of the fastest growing economy.
Suggest economic class should be a mandatory subject for all Singaporeans.
Then lesser people will have misgivings about government policies.
What some participants are proposing here is what North Korea are implementing - Centrally Planned Economy of price fixing.
Economists deem such economic system suicidal - as demonstrated by North Korea - and the previous China and Vietnam socialist economic system.
365, [19/2/2025 2:57 PM]
I actually requested to join a while ago and kinda forgot about this group until I got invited today.
Any idea if officials actually take a look into this group? Or is it just a forum-like platform?
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:00 PM]
I think feedback posted here are send to the respective Ministries.
The government do look carefully into comments posted here.
Because good feedback are implemented.
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 3:02 PM]
Dear Contributor,
Thank you for your feedback.
We are actively listening. Please be assured that points made by participants in the chat group are aggregated and shared with relevant agencies.
Thank you.
Megan
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:07 PM]
Scary, suddenly some people are inclining into socialist economic system.
I think some oppositions are making some of these suggestions in the social media.
But the economic consequences very serious.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:13 PM]
I think in general, the budget focus on handling short term struggles that residents are facing, and there are steps taken to tackle longer term problems, like ensuring an adaptable workforce, and working on scaling up AI capabilities to help streamline workflows. There’s also increased focus on healthcare for Aging population and encouraging larger families.
I mean, it’s a very comprehensive budget with clear goals and areas to work on, if the government truly delivers in due time.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:14 PM]
I wouldn’t say there’s anything really bad about the budget as it’s the plan the government is working towards, and most arguments I see online are not very meaningful, like giving chicken wing and taking a chicken later.. or that singles don’t get anything etc.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:17 PM]
I have counted the chicken wings.
The number is huge for my household.
Using the attached calculator from CNA.
SG60 payout (2025) = $3,900
Cash and utilities payout (2025) = $6,865
Total tax transfer by government = $10,765 (2025)
I also search the old record from previous Budget that say some payout are rolled out into 2025 = $6,865.
Not sure should it be added to this Budget 2025 or not?
If yes, a huge sum = $17,630 for my family.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:25 PM]
So assuming my family annual expenses is $48,000 or $4,000 a month.
GST 9% will be $4,320.
Inflation is 2.2% as provided by a gentleman from IMF data, then inflation of $48,000 is $1,056.
So total additional price to be paid by my family GST (not GST hike, the whole GST) + Inflation = $4,320 + $1,056 = $5,376.
Hence I reap a profit from tax transfer = $10,765 - $5,376 = $5,389.
If I include previous Budget tax transfer (not sure this is included or not), my profit will be = $17,630 - $5,376 = $12,254.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:27 PM]
So I didn't experience inflation.
I experience "deflation" - hahaha....
Just a joke.
Not an accurate economic term to describe this as "deflation" - later my Econ prof will come after me.
365, [19/2/2025 3:27 PM]
Curious if you don't mind sharing, how big is your household, and would you consider yourself as low, mid or high income household?
W Goo, [19/2/2025 3:27 PM]
This sort of reflex portion of citizen felt on the ground. I don't think we can ignore it. But yes, budget is ok
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:28 PM]
My household small - 3 person.
I consider high income.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:28 PM]
Big numbers looks bery good. I like seeing numbers. But i dunno why. When i look outside the window doesnt look so good. I am spending less on hawker and eating more home meals. I stopped going out more. What do numbers mean anyway. Why do we all rely on numbers. What if we just go outside?
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:29 PM]
Do we really intend to tell the populace. Look at this nice looking chart.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:29 PM]
Yes I agree.
I know.
Very hard to explain to the ground, to the layman.
Unfortunately, the ground will pick up the tune sing by oppositions and vote out a good government.
Because the economic principles are very difficult to explain.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:30 PM]
My initial reaction is the same as yours.
I am just like any people in the street when I buy food and groceries from food court and supermarket.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:31 PM]
But the moment, I keep my mind calm and cool, I start to think deeply the economics and work out the sum.
Then I realised the government are doing alot of things for us.
365, [19/2/2025 3:32 PM]
You have to do the actual calculations to determine whether it's good or not.
The same example is always used for the inverse, with the buy now pay later scheme. It feels good that you don't fork out cash or you "only spend a little every month" but reality is not as such.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:32 PM]
Tbh, i was splurging too much eating out anyway. Now i get good healthier food cooked at home
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:32 PM]
Good luck to hawkers and other fnb tho
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:33 PM]
The government has to adopt sound economic, financial and taxation principles.
Cannot use layman approach to run the economy - which is actually a brute force method like the North Korea price fixing socialist system.
We will die.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:33 PM]
I hope we somehow get better value in ntuc and other markets. Somehow some stuff feels overpriced
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:35 PM]
That's why trust on the government is very important.
We must trust the government that they are putting in heart and soul to keep everyone well.
Not to deceive or manipulate us.
Because learned people can work out the mechanics to check and balance the government to see whether the government are working for our interest.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:35 PM]
Unfortunately, the oppositions - many do not have such a quality.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:36 PM]
I feel the same as you in NTUC.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:36 PM]
But when I work out the sum, I think we are better off not worst off.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:36 PM]
Yes I was waiting for this response. Because that’s not what most people feel I think? I’m not sure. I talk to people and there’s this somewhat negative perspective on the government
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:37 PM]
The lack of explanation I think is why people don't trust in gov. When what you see does not correlate to the figure it's very hard to trust them.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:37 PM]
And as Danny said, the trust is important. Regardless of how good the budget is, trust seems to have slid a little. Thus the perspective?
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:37 PM]
The gov is not immune to corruption or conflict of interest. Some qns like why we allow them to be directors in companies. Why do we need so much mayors. Are they umpeded from doing the right thing instead of popular stuff
365, [19/2/2025 3:37 PM]
We all have our own groups that we mingle with, subjecting us to selection bias.
It's pretty difficult for the average person to have a balanced sample population to draw feedback from.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:38 PM]
I agree. But I work for the government, so we get a huge range
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:38 PM]
And sometimes I see MP just beating around the bush and attacking others without a detailed explanation
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:39 PM]
This is why people not trusting gov
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:40 PM]
I feel for the government. I am fortunate to be here, and I am aware because when I compare with friends in other countries, everyone has their issues. We have safety, security in jobs and generally a sensible government.
365, [19/2/2025 3:40 PM]
Opposition voices have definitely been more vocal in the past decade, and there's definitely been scandals within the incumbent.
It's not easy to make a comparison to the previous generations given how different social constructs and norms are as well.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:40 PM]
Yet, I feel something missing. I can’t really explain why
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:41 PM]
Yes. I feel this too. That's why voters are finding ways to feel in the gap
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 3:42 PM]
I like to hear Danny’s view. He’s pretty articulate and smart
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:43 PM]
I think it's goes down the basics. How quickly infrastructure has change if it is faulty, how efficient things runs within gov. And how many coks ups
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 3:44 PM]
Cannot be a light bulb faulty and take 2 weeks to change.
365, [19/2/2025 3:45 PM]
The previous generation of government seemed too perfect, that any tiny slip up looks like a big blemish to us.
Previously everything just works, it is very hard to poke holes. While comparative to other countries we have done well, it definitely isn't the same as previously.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:46 PM]
We can pretty much predict what the current gen will do.
Dont rock the boat
Monitoring
Establish a committee
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:48 PM]
Sorry what topic?
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:49 PM]
Managers and Supervisors: To lower morale and production, think of the worst boss you’ve had and act like that. Be pleasant to inefficient workers; give them undeserved promotions. Discriminate against efficient workers; complain unjustly about their work. When possible, refer all matters to committees for "further study and consideration." Attempt to make the committees as large and bureaucratic as possible.
-CIA, The Art of Simple Sabotage
G, [19/2/2025 3:52 PM]
Indeed. Compared to 1G PAP, this crop have little vision, and their leadership qualities look weak.
More interested in appearances
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [19/2/2025 3:52 PM]
I think we have too much political power concentrated in one party, I don't want a scenario like Germany in WWII; Israel or USA right now; at least in S.Korea the system is able to correct itself when it's supreme executive goes bananas.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 3:53 PM]
But the current oppositions are not up to mark.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:54 PM]
Idm political power concentrated. But i dont think the people in charge are doing a good job. Maybe they are satisfied with a cozy life and afraid to make change
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:55 PM]
Oppo also questionable, but what the pap is doing to them is pretty scummy and doesn't not earn my respect and makes me question their interests
365, [19/2/2025 3:57 PM]
I agree with the sentiment that they are afraid to make changes. They also seem to hold lesser accountability, whether that is true or just the appearance of it.
MRT is the most notorious example right now. How many track or signal fault can we accept? Should there be a standard to uphold, and if these standards aren't met, what will happen?
Give us a quantifiable and reasonable target. Visibility of them trying is also important.
Adam, [19/2/2025 3:58 PM]
Im pretty sure pap can win in a clean fight against oppo if they can prove to make good policies and give results. But currently, they look so desperate.
G, [19/2/2025 4:00 PM]
Floods too. ERP 2.0..
We also see poorly designed and constructed infrastructure. e.g. bus stop shelters that don't shelter when it rains. shelter pillars block commuters' view of incoming buses.. etc etc
From my friends in the know, some of these bus stops have pillars in odd places is because they can't build the pillars on the slim strip of grass where the bus stop is supposed to be because that land doesn't belong to LTA.. or some stupid reason like that
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 4:00 PM]
It’s tough to make changes in this current state of things. If I’m them, I will think a lot too. To some extent, we need a thick-skin government who can weather any criticism that comes with changes haha
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 4:02 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
BUDGET 2025 - ONWARD TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW
G, [19/2/2025 4:02 PM]
To get that kind of standard.. perhaps it's high time to revert to SMCs and get rid of GRCs.. each politician to be truly tested, and unable to ride on the coat tails of stronger candidates
365, [19/2/2025 4:03 PM]
I'm a bit more forgiving on floods since it's true that climate has been changing, and maybe I'm ignorant here but I don't think our flood damage has been heavy.
ERP 2.0 I agree is poorly designed, and spent way too much focusing on that. Same sentiments with bus stop architecture as well. And we can add simplygo to the list as well.
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 4:05 PM]
That’s true. I’m also however forgiving on simplygo because they are merely trying out a new way of doing things which end up, most of us are using. The way they phrase things and go along with it can perhaps be better. There should be better understanding of technological challenges of certain segments of populations.
365, [19/2/2025 4:05 PM]
Yeah. As much as Trump has his flaws, one admirable quality is how fast and decisive he can make changes. I feel our leaders could filter and learn this quality from him, while keeping the other sane decision making qualities.
365, [19/2/2025 4:07 PM]
What I cannot understand for simplygo is the removal of features, especially the fare display on tap out.
The explanation they have provided doesn't make sense to me, being that it's account based to allow for online top up, while I can also do online top up for my ezlink.
To me, the system only removed a feature and did not add on.
G, [19/2/2025 4:09 PM]
Simplygo was more a tool for LTA to get the data they want, than a technological advancement for commuters benefit..
And in the process of them getting that tool, the commuter's needs were deprioritised
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [19/2/2025 4:11 PM]
The management team should understand their audience / constituents better - people take on jobs only when they can earn more than they spent, food and transport fares are unavoidable expenditures that we try to minimize, of course we are worried when we don't know how much we spend. Dismissing these concerns are a symptom of ivory tower perspectives.
G, [19/2/2025 4:13 PM]
Very different from how transitlink cards transformed to ez link cards.. the change was really beneficial to commuters
This simplygo vs ez link transitions kind of reflects the large difference in robustness of previous govts compared to today's
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 4:14 PM]
I mean, there are a lot of possibilities no? For example, I can top up quite seamlessly without tapping from the app, or buy concession for my kids without going to station :)
Adam, [19/2/2025 4:17 PM]
I wonder why we get credit card points and miles from simplygo. Yeah using cc makes it easier and i benefit a lot but really, the 3% hidden cc charge will hurt poor people more.
Banks and cc companies win by all the interchange fees. Upper middle and above who know how to maximise credit card win. As much as i benefit from this system, the gov should look into how credit card fees affects the cost of living.
Now also Scoot introduce cc fee instead of making it part of ticket cost
Adam, [19/2/2025 4:19 PM]
Somehow you can massage getting credit card points from utilities and telcos too
Adam, [19/2/2025 4:19 PM]
So if you dont play the cc game, you are paying about 3% (idk the real number) more for the same essential services
Adam, [19/2/2025 4:20 PM]
And poor people usually dont do the credit card benefits
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:23 PM]
"Trust" is not an easy thing to mingle around. Singapore is an unique country which is so powerful and on the other hand so fragile. From the poll "...securing Singapore's future" doesn't seems confident enough for "Trust".
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:29 PM]
Gov need to put in more effort. Don't undermine the power of minority (uninformed or uneconomical savvy). Is a huge group. Imagine one day where where we reach our max capacity whereby no more imports, price sky high etc. Like LKY once says, one day... By then Singapore being so "fragile" will fall. And do we think still think about newborn etc when bread and butter is sideline? Forget about all PhD economics theory or looking at birds 👀 or eagle view.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:31 PM]
This Gov need us to trust them. Is a tough route. People want assurance, people want LKY. This Gov have to show it to gain trust.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:32 PM]
I'm worried for my children.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:33 PM]
There's no need to explain to them about big bombastic theroy or massive data from whichever super data centre.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:35 PM]
Actually if you trust the current government, your children's future is secured.
If you trust the opposition, I tell you in my heart, the direction they are heading is economically disastrous.
The key is what should the current government do or need to do to let you and many critics trust the government.
From my objective point of view, this government, you can trust.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:36 PM]
No, I don't trust current opp too. You know... Is like we only have this option. You get what I mean.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:36 PM]
You key is what I meant 👍
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:37 PM]
I know.
The current government need to work harder to win your trust and other critics trust.
Not easy, but must try.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:37 PM]
Have to my brother, my fellow Singaporean ☺️
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:38 PM]
By the way, there's one MP that kills it whenever he hit the parliament. Tan Wu Meng
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:39 PM]
I'll like to have an MP that stood by us.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:39 PM]
Huh?
Can elaborate?
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:39 PM]
You go see his tiktok
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:40 PM]
He's more of a bread and butter MP. Very straightforward and articulate. He stood by his Clementi resident.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:40 PM]
Tik tok hard to search.
May not get the right video.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:41 PM]
Oh I see what you mean.
Ok good.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:41 PM]
https://www.tiktok.com/@tanwumeng?_t=ZS-8u2dTWhW7lZ&_r=1
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:41 PM]
Thanks got time I take a look.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:44 PM]
I think is all about communication skills and reaching out to residents understand their concern.
And translate complex governance policies into layman language that common people can understand.
Also need to have the right chemistry and rapport with the residents.
Not easy, physically and mentally demanding.
But the government must try.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 4:44 PM]
Only then, trust can arise.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:47 PM]
I like this type of mp
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:47 PM]
That's why for this forum there's lots of talks about but try walk around the hood and randomly pick 10 people. I don't think people care about micro or macro economy or how the world works. It's about 🍞 and 🧈.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:48 PM]
Another one I like is Louis kok
ChewyRuza, [19/2/2025 4:49 PM]
I like Xie Yao Quan. He’s always on the ground. Very nice guy and a lot of things improved
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:50 PM]
But now want cai peng to go back $2.50 if impossible (let's be real unless we want Singapore to slide backwards) Maintain very good already to be honest.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:50 PM]
These are MP asking and pushing things from the ground
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:50 PM]
I think it's also go down to RC chairman
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:51 PM]
A good RC chairman will reflect how good the estate is
W Goo, [19/2/2025 4:51 PM]
We citizen need to also push ourselves more to be aligned with Gov and vice versa.
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:52 PM]
I have a good RC chairman which is very responsible. Complains will be address within hours and establish WhatsApp block chat for residents
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:53 PM]
I don't see this in other estates
Jun Ming, [19/2/2025 4:53 PM]
I always heard of other estates where things take a very long time to take action
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 5:00 PM]
[ Poll : 1) I am confident Budget 2025 will address today’s challenges while securing Singapore’s future. ]
- Agree
- Disagree
- Neutral
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 5:00 PM]
[ Poll : 2) I am supportive of the announcements made during Budget 2025. ]
- To a large extent
- To some extent
- To a small extent
W Goo, [19/2/2025 5:07 PM]
Look at the vote. Agree and Disagree very obvious. Neutral... 🤔 How Gov want to capture this group. Handout doesn't guarantee future. Gov need to show how good they are to gain trust.
RY, [19/2/2025 5:16 PM]
I am aware Taiwan have this Cultural Credit all along
Am glad that SG govt also started this Cultural Credit in this year Budget 😊
Dr. Goh, [19/2/2025 5:29 PM]
Poll must see age group lah. If most are retired and happy to receive handouts while seeing their property prices soar then you get support. For those who are squeezed left right centre, giving them small change while they see peers who get a lot more will definitely result in loss of support.
Dr. Goh, [19/2/2025 5:30 PM]
Actually there is no point in publishing household income. It could include many who have to stay with parents because income is too low to even buy HDB flat. Go for per capita income more accurate. We should know how much cash everyone has on average to know how this country is doing.
W Goo, [19/2/2025 5:42 PM]
Agree
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 5:54 PM]
Truth.
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:57 PM]
Even per capita income is not accurate.
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:57 PM]
Remember this word
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:57 PM]
WEALTH
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:57 PM]
Does income correlate to weath?
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:58 PM]
Do you think the richest people (may not be singaporeans) earn an income?
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:59 PM]
Does a young grad with median salary struggle the same as a 60yo with hdb and median income
Adam, [19/2/2025 5:59 PM]
Both have same income
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 6:00 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
BUDGET 2025 - ONWARD TOGETHER FOR A BETTER TOMORROW
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:02 PM]
This is why we dont trust the gov anymore.
They ignore the important topics people care about.
Skew the discussions and frame stuff like income=wealth
Make the statistics which are detached from reality.
And they are expecting ua to trust them when they dont trust us?
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 6:09 PM]
I don't really care if the bubble bursts honestly.
Daniel, [19/2/2025 6:09 PM]
I can't really agree with this. Obviously they can't adress all the issues, but I feel they chose the most important ones quite well. Also every statistic has its limitations, but I would struggle to see which single statistic they could show to represent how well people do better than household and per capita income.
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 6:09 PM]
Me also.
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:11 PM]
Yet even the simple stats of per capita is not used, favoring whole household.
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:12 PM]
They arent even hiding it, not taking the small step and the arrogance of using such weird metrics
Daniel, [19/2/2025 6:12 PM]
It is used. There was a discussion here a few days ago on the stats. They clearly show income per household and income per household member. Go look up the articles that were published last week.
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:15 PM]
Idk why my cdc voucher is split with my large household. I wonder how it compares to dinks. If the gov uses per capita, it really doesnt look like its showing
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:17 PM]
As i said. Nobody really cares about stats. Its all numbers my mother cant math well in. With cdc vouchers, we see our share of pie being split worse then others
여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [19/2/2025 6:18 PM]
Per household mah. I think if per person we may have hyperinflation haha.
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:18 PM]
Bro, if per person of course they will give less than 800
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:19 PM]
But its covered by gstv
Daniel, [19/2/2025 6:19 PM]
But then got sg60 voucher, voucher for kids, medisave topup all those are per individual, right? But true cdc could be weighted by number of people in household
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:20 PM]
Yeah. Im arguing that they shouldve scrapped the cdc voucher and think of a better way of distributing
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 6:30 PM]
My close friend comments:-
As it is today, a substantial portion of NIRC (net investment return contributions) is used to fund gov spending.
Can we then say that tax revenues on its own are not sufficient to fund G spending and hence have to raise taxes further or we have to ask gov to cut spending.
Either way, the impact will not be small.
Tax businesses force them to leave sg.
Raise gst rile constituents.
Cut gov spending risks shrinking economy.
It's a very delicate balance.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 6:35 PM]
My close friend comments:-
I can see the benefits of implementing gst and how the gov has a heart of people.
Who spends more?
The rich!
And then gov is finding it's way to return to the lesser group through gst vouchers, etc. to whom?
The poorer segment.
Again, this is a delicate balance so don't dismiss the intention.
LCL (Danny 心), [19/2/2025 6:41 PM]
My close friend comments:-
If we can find gov early message for gst- I remembered that there was one delivered by LHL.
The intent was already spelt out.
At that time, I could not see how it would be implemented.
Current model is one way. (To redistribute the tax to lower and middle income groups and lower upper income groups also benefitted).
It will be more constructive to look at how to better this model rather than blame the taxation.
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 6:45 PM]
Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
Local, [19/2/2025 6:48 PM]
Business can claim incentive for hire at lease 1 Singaporean in 2024. Meaning MOM allow companies hire all non Singaporean???
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:55 PM]
Im kinda surprised they say this. I assume 99% of corps we complain about having too much foreigner has at least one singaporean
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:56 PM]
Maybe some foreign investor hires no locals
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:57 PM]
Just set up company for doing idk
Adam, [19/2/2025 6:58 PM]
Might be better to have a % based system where it calculates based on % of singaporean workforce. Can even give smaller weightage to pr
REACH Singapore, [19/2/2025 7:00 PM]
Dear Contributors
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
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