REACH (Telegram) 27 - What are your views on the train disruption and the measures implemented to address public transport needs while repair works are in progress? (SK)

27 Sep 2024 (10am - 7pm)

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REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 10:04 AM]

📢Topic📢

On 25th September, a faulty train that was withdrawn from service and on its way back to a depot caused extensive damage to tracks and trackside equipment near Clementi and Dover stations. This led to the disruption of train services between Jurong East and Buona Vista which is expected to last several more days with SMRT aiming to restore full services by 30th September.

💬What are your views on the train disruption and the measures implemented to address public transport needs while repair works are in progress?

📌Cause of disruption

On 25th September, an eastbound train encountered a fault near Clementi station and was turned around onto the westbound track. While the train was returning to Ulu Pandan Depot, a defective component of the train’s wheel set, known as an axle box, dropped onto the tracks which caused the wheels of one of the carriage’s two bogies to come off and severely damage the tracks and equipment on the tracks.

📌Extent of damage

Engineers have found 34 rail breaks, such as cracks or chips, along 1.6km of tracks between Clementi and Dover stations after overnight checks. The train also damaged three point machines that are used to divert trains to different tracks, stretches of the third rail on the eastbound track that supplies power to trains, as well as power cables and rail fasteners. The third rail serving the track into Ulu Pandan Depot is linked to the same power supply that serves the third rail on the eastbound track. Hence, when the defective train damaged the third rail, it also tripped the power supply to the eastbound track.

📌Repair efforts

Minister of Transport Chee Hong Tat said late on 26th September that more than 300 engineers and technicians from LTA and SMRT have been working day and night to carry out repairs and checks on the damaged tracks and equipment. He added that as the damage is very extensive, the engineers have to do this carefully, and it requires a lot of time.

📌Temporary Services

620 ground staff from LTA, SMRT, transport operators SBS Transit and Tower Transit as well as police officers managed the crowds during the morning peak period on 26th September. About 80 double-decker buses have also been deployed to provide free bridging services for affected passengers between Jurong East and Buona Vista stations. LTA and SMRT also carried out functionality checks on the axle boxes of all Kawasaki trains before these were put in service, and all passed the checks.

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/mrt-east-west-line-disruption-rare-4639661

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/train-disruption-on-ewl-to-last-several-more-days-smrt-aims-to-restore-services-on-sept-30

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REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 11:08 AM]

[ Poll : How satisfied are you with the management of the train disruption? ]

- I am very satisfied.

- I am somewhat satisfied. More can be done (please share your views below)

- I am unsatisfied. I feel a lot more can be done (please share your views below)

Adam, [27/9/2024 11:23 AM]

Its not a lot more can be done. Its a lot more could have been done

G, [27/9/2024 12:20 PM]

It's not satisfactory that hundreds of millions are planned to be spent on the white elephant "founders memorial" (and this amount doesn't include spending to upkeep) and we still have 35 year old relics plying our rail

Wee Seng Koh, [27/9/2024 12:38 PM]

It is crisis management in nature. Therefore, this was the best that can be done on short notice.

It further emphasises that public utilities cannot be managed by private entities, as it affects masses that are densely co-located with work environments. 

Perhaps a pre-loaded drawer plan is required when the utility for crowd and traffic control is activated. Particularly when Home Affairs officers or similar entities are required. 

Small and medium scale events / incidents.

G, [27/9/2024 12:49 PM]

How much is being invested in fleet renewals / proper spending on maintenance to upkeep the aging fleet?

To quote / paraphrase LKY:

"Everything works... It just has to work, if it doesn't work, I want to know why"

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 1:01 PM]

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Jun Wei, [27/9/2024 1:11 PM]

Agree with Seng Koh that this is already considered the best that can be done for such crisis.

As a stated-owned private entity, I believe, smrt are already doing beyond their scope in terms of providing shuttle services and on-time communications and updates of the situation.

What people tend to forget is that they are not obligated to do these.

If we are to present this situation to other countries, how it's going to be managed will totally defy your understanding of the public transport.

Comments online I saw are correlating the incident to politics, but they often also forget that people working in these organisations are not all pro-government.

Yes, travel plans are disrupted for me. I hope they just super gule the cracks and carry on the trains then they just fix their own shit during night. But then it got me thinking, why am I so affected by this incident? Should I be? Impacted yes, but affected? It should not be so. Because indirectly it means that part of my life is dependent on smrt train 😕

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/9/2024 1:12 PM]

Why wait for inspection until break downs. Checks should be done everyday or weekly. Now they found 34 rail breaks cracks n chips. These must have happened overtime. The wheel came off😳 So dangerous. Thorough checks should be done everyday or weekly.

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/9/2024 1:20 PM]

I like 2 discuss 2 more issues. 

1) Drivers who cause accidents because of recklessly driving n causing death should be given more severe punishment. Isn't causing death, punishment death panelty? Then why 10 yrs or less ban from driving, for taking someone life? It should be 25yrs ban. Jail for 10 yrs. Innocent lives r gone. What goes through the family who loss their love ones. S'pore having more such drivers, pay fine few mths jail get away. Everyday u see speeding, reckless overtaking n road bullies.

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/9/2024 1:34 PM]

2) Recently school or outside bullying have increased. What trama the kids go through is beyond imagination. Being alone, tortured. Sacred for life. Bulies like this no matter how young. Should get jail or children's home. whatever training they r sent to, should in done locked up. No outside world. What is happening to S'pore laws. Too leneint, that's why more bullies. Fighting everywhere

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 1:39 PM]

After iswaran get charged and price hike one major break down happens

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 1:45 PM]

I think there is a need for more information on alternative routes when mrt break down. Perhaps an AI to work out how to go to different spots even there's a break down more effectively

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 1:46 PM]

Cause just waiting for shuttle bus waste a lot of time

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 2:02 PM]

📢Topic📢

Nicholas, [27/9/2024 2:32 PM]

Read that the buses go in loops, causing frustration. Why don't the buses go stop by stop according to MRT station sequence?

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 2:47 PM]

1. When a MRT train is old and reaching end of life - unfortunately breakdown and more frequent maintenance is always the norm.

2. Just like our car reaching 10 years, breakdown on the road, more frequent maintenance as parts fail become a common phenomenon.

3. Based on this experience, it becomes a judgement call whether overhaul is needed or a total new replacement become imperative.

4. MRT train unlike car, if breakdown can cause the entire line to go down - because it is a serial sequential processing system.

5. When breakdown, the whole line halt. Thousands of commuters will be affected.

6. Also MRT train weigh in ton, and cannot be loaded onto a trailer or breakdown truck to tow it back without damaging the rail track if tow back by conventional means.

It is akin to a car with burst tyre, if still force to move, will damage the car axle and the road.

Hence the damage to the track is so extensive when tow back to depot for servicing.

7. But if total replacement of the old MRT train is the decision, I believe it will cost a mammoth amount of money running to few hundred millions of dollars?

8. Hence it is a judgement call - frequent breakdown causing such disruption, people late for jobs, schools, business versus cost for replacement of old trains.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:48 PM]

Actually I wonder what is the average lifespan of a subway and mrt around the world

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:49 PM]

I realise Google maps does that for you

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:51 PM]

But... Maybe you can increase frequency on routes that is along the break down train station. (Non shuttle bus with bus numbers)

And a bus cannot compare to mrt so every min there should have a bus for the shuttle bus

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:52 PM]

And perhaps more guides to where to board the shuttle bus to avoid confusion.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:56 PM]

I already expected at least a breakdown/year so yeah. Hope there's a plan for every station. It can happen anywhere any time

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 2:57 PM]

Worse case scenario the whole mrt system break down what will the bus companies and train companies do?

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 2:59 PM]

1. However one thing that worth mentioning, is that there are redundant MRT lines build in - in the entire MRT line system.

2. Yesterday I was discussing with my close friend the impact of breakdown between Buona Vista and Jurong East station.

3. It affects Clementi and Dover - as there are no redundancy lines to these 2 stations.

4. My child will need to travel from Serangoon to NUS to take his Master exam - can take the orange CCL line without the need to take the green EW line.

5. My close friend child can take the red North South line from AMK to Jurong East to work - a longer redundant route without the need to take the green EW line.

6. So the main artery lines are quite well covered - due to good planning and design by MOT and LTA - building in redundancy into the entire MRT system covering the entire Singapore.

That's when one main line is down, commuters can go by other routes.

7. Only those Singapore Polytechnic students are affected in Dover and those people and students living in Clementi are affected.

Hence buses, taxi, etc will need to cover these areas.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:01 PM]

Good to note that Jurong regional line is coming up

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:02 PM]

Hope there's an additional line on West coast clementi area

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:02 PM]

Perhaps nus line

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:03 PM]

NUS can take orange CCL line.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:04 PM]

But nus kind of big mah need to take school shuttle bus. From Kent ridge to other schools took about half and hour walk.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:04 PM]

I am not from nus and sometimes I participate in some research so kind of inconvenient

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:04 PM]

Better than no train from Clementi.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:05 PM]

30 years.

Source:- Meta AI.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:06 PM]

Yeah that's why I say gov may think of investment of a line that covers clementi to west coast to nus

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:06 PM]

[27/09, 3:04 pm] ☸️  Danny 心 Prompt: What is the lifespan for MRT train?

[27/09, 3:04 pm] Meta AI: The lifespan of an MRT train in Singapore is typically around 30 years, after which they are replaced with newer trains ¹. Currently, the oldest trains on the North East Line are undergoing a mid-life upgrade to refresh the interiors, decrease maintenance downtime, and minimize delays ². This upgrade is expected to be completed by 2024 ².

*MRT Train Replacement Timeline:*

- _2019-2024:_ Mid-life upgrade for North East Line trains ²

- _2021:_ Replacement of 66 oldest MRT trains began ¹ ³

- _2023-2025:_ Replacement of all 19 first-generation trains on the Bukit Panjang LRT ²

- _2026:_ Decommissioning and replacement of older trains with newer equivalents ¹

It's worth noting that the Land Transport Authority (LTA) has been working to improve the overall efficiency and reliability of the MRT system, with efforts paying off in recent years ¹.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 3:07 PM]

Maybe a LRT

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:08 PM]

That means another billions of dollars for MRT versus business case (ie. Can recoup the investment or not).

Or maybe a cheaper LRT could be an option.

But also must have a business case (ie. Sufficient ridership to cover cost).

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:26 PM]

[26/09, 3:18 pm] My close friend comments: https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/study-ranks-best-countries-world-heres-where-singapore-stands-among-89-nations

[26/09, 3:18 pm] My close friend comments: Sg ranked 14th

[26/09, 3:18 pm] ☸️  My comments:-

Oh 14.

Quite low.

I thought should be at least top 5 to 10.

[26/09, 3:26 pm] ☸️  My comments: 

Oh our heritage category pull our ranking down - score one of the lowest - 34 out of 89.

This could impact our tourist industry, tourism business, tourism jobs and tourism investment - causing a dent to our GDP.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:34 PM]

The tourism sector contributed on average 3 per cent of Singapore's gross domestic product over the last 10 years1. Tourism plays an essential role in reinforcing Singapore's status as a vibrant global city that is a magnet for capital, businesses and talent.

Source:- Google

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:37 PM]

[27/09, 3:36 pm] ☸️  My prompt: Is heritage sites the most patronize by foreign tourists?

[27/09, 3:36 pm] Meta AI: Heritage sites are indeed among the most popular destinations for foreign tourists. These sites offer a glimpse into the past, showcasing ancient cultures, architectural marvels, and historical significance that transcend borders and time.

Some of the most iconic heritage sites that attract millions of visitors each year include:

- *Machu Picchu*, the ancient Inca city perched in the Andes mountains of Peru ¹

- *The Pyramids of Giza*, Egypt's majestic monuments that have stood the test of time ¹

- *The Great Wall of China*, a serpentine marvel that stretches over 6,000 kilometers ¹

- *Angkor Wat*, Cambodia's mystical temple complex hidden deep within the jungle ¹

- *The Taj Mahal*, India's stunning white marble tribute to love ¹

- *The Roman Colosseum*, Italy's iconic amphitheater that echoes with history ¹

- *Stonehenge*, England's mysterious ring of standing stones that has puzzled scholars for centuries ¹

These sites are not only awe-inspiring but also provide valuable insights into the cultures, traditions, and achievements of bygone eras. They are a testament to human ingenuity, creativity, and perseverance.

It's no wonder that heritage sites are often the most sought-after destinations for foreign tourists. They offer a unique blend of history, culture, and natural beauty that resonates with people from all over the world.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:41 PM]

308. I post in REACH (Telegram) LCL (Danny 心), [24/9/2024 1:15 PM] :-

Bullying is another issue that need attention.

I am alarm to see students get beaten up by bullies physically.

The physical harm and mental harm is not a small issue.

Often public are not informed how the bullies are punished and deterred from future acts - so that future bullies will be hesitant to be bully.

LCL (Danny 心), [24/9/2024 1:18 PM]

Caning for bully should be reintroduce - and should be conducted in school assembly to instill fear and deterrence for bully.

Last time, this is done during my school times.

Also police will give talks and show videos how offenders are cane in the prison for fighting and physical assault to the whole assembly.

LCL (Danny 心), [24/9/2024 1:25 PM]

I will suggest this steps:-

1. Reprimanding by school disciplinary master.

2. Counseling by counselor.

3. Mandatory caning in school assembly.

4. Police conduct video and talk session how bully, gangsters are cane in jail.

5. Police case.

6. Rehabilitation and constant monitoring to ensure bully repent and mend their ways.

LCL (Danny 心), [24/9/2024 1:27 PM]

7. Also involve parents about their children as bully in the counseling session.

Parents must have accountability of their children behavior.

子女不教父母之过。

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CNA News 25 Sep 2024 09:15PM

The police said on Wednesday (Sep 25) they had identified the teens involved in the incident, adding that "five of them have been arrested for their suspected involvement in a case of rioting".

"The police take a serious view of such acts of violence and blatant disregard of the law. We will not hesitate to take action and deal with the offenders in accordance with the law."

Education Ministry had said on Sunday that it takes a serious view on any form of bullying. 

"When there are reports of alleged cases of bullying, schools will conduct investigations to understand the underlying causes of behaviour and take appropriate disciplinary action to help students understand the consequences of hurtful behaviour and restore relationships with those affected," MOE had said. 

"Counselling support will be provided to guide the perpetrator and support the victim."

It had also added that schools also engage and work with parents to provide support for students within and outside the school environment by sharing the social and emotional skills taught in school, expected behaviours among students, and potential consequences arising from unacceptable behaviour.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 3:46 PM]

Feedback (24 Sep) & Government actions (25 Sep) (fully synch).

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 4:01 PM]

📢Topic📢

G, [27/9/2024 4:31 PM]

How is SMRT leadership team personally affected by this? Will their bonus get cut and the money savings be channeled to boost the funds for maintenance? 

Will LTA withhold more govt subsidies to SMRT so that LTA can spend and acquire more new rolling stock to renew the fleet?

We don't know if SMRT are obligated by contract with LTA to provide all these bus bridging services during breakdowns. But LTA has an obligation to Singapore to keep the public transport infrastructure well oiled and always work. 

Especially since this PAP govt has championed public transport so much and made the main alternative (motorised private transport) so out of reach for the average person in Singapore. 

In LKY's words, "it has to work".

Dr. Goh, [27/9/2024 4:43 PM]

Maybe hire competent engineers and pay them well? Learn from companies like Rolls Royce. The engineering managers are given power to overrule executives if technical decisions are made. You want the engineering teams to be able to go ahead with maintenance even if the top executives want to cut costs. Also, why not make cars affordable if public transport is not good enough? Bus services have gotten worse over time, mrt as well, and there is a huge influx of people causing demand for infrastructure to increase beyond what the system can manage. Let commoners own cars, scrap the COE bidding system, people can decide if they want to drive or take public transport.

The London underground is way older and it doesn't come with such serious issues. Even if a line breaks down people can go for alternatives. The price is also comparable to sg.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 4:52 PM]

1. I used to be a car owner.

I own more than 3 generation of cars.

2. All my siblings are still owning cars, so are my close friends.

3. If putting my point for self interest - I will want Coe to be as cheap if not scrap.

4. But standing on national interest point of view, everyone knows that the road capacity，car park capacity - will not allow such a car ownership policy.

5. Many bigger countries such as New York, London, France, Beijing, KL, jarkata etc are having gridlock in their cities as cars stuck in jams for hours and cannot move.

Singapore will be worst with a small city state.

6. If car ownership is liberalised, the disruption to business, jobs, study, travel etc will be tremendous akin to a MRT breakdown everyday.

Dr. Goh, [27/9/2024 5:14 PM]

The reason every car owner drives so much is because the price is too high if they don't. It doesn't solve the issues with gridlock and despite overpriced ERP you still see serious jams where the gantries are.

In places like London people who own cars actually choose not to drive if they can take public transport. Cars can be as cheap as a few thousand dollars and are mostly used to get to places where public transport is inconvenient or too slow.

If cars must be out of reach, then public transport has to be way better than it is now. You cannot be telling people they cannot own cars while cutting down on bus services and public infrastructure and being all stingy with maintenance while increasing costs for the common folk. That isn't the right thing to do. Some countries offer free or cheap public transport and get resources by taxing the rich.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:15 PM]

Where to park the cars when the city space run out of space?

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:18 PM]

Even if can drive, no car park to park if the whole country full of cars.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:19 PM]

Taylor Swift concert, those who drive find no car park, go back to Clementi and park.

Then take train.

Make sense to liberalised cars?

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:19 PM]

Mechanical parking lots

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:21 PM]

This topic have been heavily discussed in WhatsApp REACH and find it not feasible.

Maximum height of carpark is 13 floor.

You extrapolate it to the whole city.

No office, no industrial park, no school, no shopping mall etc.

Only flats and carpark.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:22 PM]

That's if you build 1 HDB flat for housing, you need to use 2 similar spaces to build 2 car park.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:23 PM]

And no one can drive because if you drive from Changi to Jurong, no car park, you drive back to Changi in your car park and walk to Jurong.

Make sense to own cars?

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:24 PM]

The highest car park in the world is 13 floor.

You can't build a 50 floor car park.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:25 PM]

Like Taiwan no carparks

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:25 PM]

So if build a 30 floor flat, 4 similar size land space car park need to be build for cars.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:25 PM]

Park in the sea?

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:26 PM]

Or drive to destination and back home.

Then walk to destination.

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/9/2024 5:26 PM]

👍

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:40 PM]

Another big topic is the nationalisation of public service versus privatisation which I hope I don't want to revisit.

China current economy SOE state operating enterprise is a big drag, triggering an economic doldrums in current China market economy.

Unless a topic on nationalisation is raise, I will extensively dwell into it.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:41 PM]

"Beijing is no longer hiding its panic about the state of its economy"

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-economy-stock-market-bazooka-liquidity-stimulus-sparks-panic-speculation-2024-9#:~:text=Beijing%20is%20no%20longer%20hiding%20its%20panic%20about%20the%20state%20of%20its%20economy

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:44 PM]

"China youth unemployment hits 18.8%, highest this year".

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-youth-unemployment-188-highest-2024-4622826#:~:text=China%20youth%20unemployment%20hits%2018.8%25%2C%20highest%20this%20year

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:47 PM]

How about some motivation for mrt operation. 1 break down 1 month free ride regardless

Hanny, [27/9/2024 5:50 PM]

I hope Smrt can share what happened and what can be done to prevent such things from happening in the future.

Hanny, [27/9/2024 5:51 PM]

It’s important that Smrt share openly.

Hanny, [27/9/2024 5:51 PM]

Nothing to hide

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 5:51 PM]

China economy have been flying for more than 2 decades.

Become the 2nd largest economy in the world and catching the tail of the largest economy poise to overtake it within less than a decade.

Now is a pipe dream.

The moment nationalisation is introduced with SOE and more state control on private business barely a few years - the economy go for a free fall, rich investors run out of the country, resources inefficiency sets in, unable to bid for private tender in global market to grow the business, heavy tax on taxpayers to finance State Enterprise, drain on government budget.

I hope we don't make this mistake.

Don't listen to half past 6 politicians or self claim book associate prof economist theory.

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:52 PM]

Break down more than 4h  3 days free ride 

Break down more than 1 day 1 month free ride 

Does lta accept the challenge

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:53 PM]

To compensate the time lost by commuter

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:55 PM]

With population sky rocking high you cannot have mrt break down almost every time

Jun Ming, [27/9/2024 5:55 PM]

Every year

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 6:00 PM]

📢Topic📢

Dr. Goh, [27/9/2024 6:44 PM]

Have you even been to China? Their taxi fares are like our public transport costs, door to door. In Singapore you pay typically 20 dollars for 1 way short trip. That's also because cars cost too much. In Singapore the members of the public pay for mistakes and costs while executives get overpaid for failing. If public transport were that great and taxi rides cheap, sure, no problem with not owning cars. But if you price it to be exorbitant and poor quality, might as well let everyone be able to buy cars. Public transport in many countries are actually better in their cities, still people own cars and don't drive them.

The point about parking is invalid. Been to many places and parking isn't a problem. In other countries people don't drive to concerts, they take public transport. Even to live football matches, most take public transport. Plenty of examples to counter your point about parking space. And if you really want to ensure enough space, limit the ownership of cars only to Singapore citizens above age 21 with valid driving license, maximum 1 each. Parking would not be a problem.

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 6:45 PM]

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Dr. Goh, [27/9/2024 6:45 PM]

That will never happen. You want results, do what LKY would have done. The chief can be fired.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:46 PM]

If this topic come out again, I will dwell into it.

Now no time to dwell into it 

Btw I do alot of eco-city projects in many continents.

China is one of the many.

And transportation is one of the sections that my colleagues look deeply into.

Including proposing transport management system solutions for the eco city.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:50 PM]

LkY support privatisation.

Nationalisation is relevant only when country is at its infancy.

Privatisation will be the next Economic development stage.

The 3rd stage is globalisation.

Every stage of economy comes with different economic strategy.

It is not one solution apply to every stage.

LkY realise this and quickly identify his successors when different stage of economy take places.

Not everytime what work during his era works in the next era.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:51 PM]

Mahathir try to force fit his arcade economic policy when he becomes 90 years as PM drag the economy down.

Now Anwar policy is more relevant to current time.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:54 PM]

If people are close to LkY, he will tell you this privately.

Come computerisation, he leave it to GCT and GCT delegate the role to LHL.

Now come AI, LHL delegate the role to our new PM Lawrence Wong. LHL say he still trying to understand AI.

Every era is different.

Dr. Goh, [27/9/2024 6:55 PM]

Got worse over time. That isnt progress. You don't pay people more to fail, you fire them and replace with better ones.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:57 PM]

Singapore GDP is at least 6 time bigger than before.

And 3rd highest GDP PPP in the world.

LCL (Danny 心), [27/9/2024 6:59 PM]

Oh I just check Google 2nd in the world with $127,565 after Luxembourg overtaken Ireland this year.

Good to be worse over time.

REACH Singapore, [27/9/2024 7:00 PM]

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