REACH 576 - What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?
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07 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)
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The construction of the Founders’ Memorial – dedicated to Singapore’s pioneers and the values they exemplified – has officially started, and it is scheduled to open in 2028.
SM Lee said that while Singapore has several memorials that mark significant events in its modern history – the Civilian War Memorial and Kranji War Memorial, for instance – “we do not yet have a memorial to commemorate our nation-building journey. Now, almost 60 years after Separation, and 80 years after the Second World War, the time has come for us to build one."
💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?*
Within its two two-storey buildings, which will be connected by a common basement, will be a viewing gallery that overlooks Singapore’s city skyline, exhibition galleries, and multi-purpose rooms for workshops and programmes.
National Heritage Board (NHB) said multiple paths will extend from the memorial into the larger Bay East Garden, with the memorial itself designed to depict a path – a symbol of the nation-building journey that Singapore’s founding generation and its leaders undertook.
📌 _*Singapore's Nation-Building Story*_
“It will tell the story of how they overcame the odds to build a strong, united, and independent Singapore; how they led the people of Singapore through successive battles first against colonialism, then communism, and finally communalism; and how they then built a nation based on the values and ideals embodied in the pledge, launching us on the journey that has led to the Singapore that we see today,” SM Lee said.
📌 _*Establishment of Values*_
The founding leaders established fundamental values and ideals that set the country’s long-term direction: democracy, justice and equality, meritocracy and a drive for excellence, an unwavering commitment to honest, clean government and, above all, a multiracial society, SM Lee said.
He added that while the founding leaders did not get everything right, they made the right choices on the most important issues and Singapore succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
📌 _*Inspiration for Singaporeans*_
NHB said the memorial “aims to inspire Singaporeans to commit themselves towards a better future, as it will serve as a space to capture the spirit of our nation and unify Singaporeans”.
SM Lee added: “I hope this Founders’ Memorial will become a space where Singaporeans reflect on our ongoing nation-building journey; appreciate our precious inheritance from the founding generation; and resolve to continue building a harmonious and successful Singapore, based on our foundational values and ideals, for generations to come.”
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We want to *HEAR* more from you!
💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?*
We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan 😊
7/6/24, 12:17 pm - +REACH: <Media omitted>
7/6/24, 12:18 pm - +Nic Freehold: You sure? I think SM LKY wouldn’t approve of such memorials
7/6/24, 12:19 pm - +Nic Freehold: to SM LKY, the best memorial to his legacy is Pinnacle @Duxton which shows the world we have the best public housing on Earth
7/6/24, 12:23 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I think it's a memorial for him, he doesn't want because I heard a BBC interview where they pour accolades on him crediting him for the success of Singapore. He replied that they have done Injustice to all these other colleagues who are smarter and sharper than he is. Just that they don't want the limelight and he was chosen to be the prime Minister. I think he would want to have the legacy of Singapore values permeate to the whole Singapore core so that we may continue to be successful and strive and survive! <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 12:26 pm - +Rama: Just like oxleygate. Suppose to tear down but wishes not respected!?
7/6/24, 12:27 pm - +Nic Freehold: If we use AI to be trained by PAP ideology, AI would suggest Goh Keng Swee boulevard would be useful
7/6/24, 12:27 pm - +Rama: 😳😀😄😁👍🤝👌
7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Lim Kim San Avenue
7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Jimmy Chew: That I agree he doesn't want.
7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Rajaratnam Flyover
7/6/24, 12:29 pm - +Nic Freehold: Toh Chin Chye Polytechnic
7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Rama: E W Baker Boulevard
7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Nic Freehold: PAP founders were practical
7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Rama: Not those that came after!
7/6/24, 12:31 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We don't know the challenges they faced, the hard decisions that were made. The thinking behind events. Like no one wanted to help us in building our defence etx <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 12:31 pm - +Nic Freehold: They didn’t want Ho Chi Minh type of memorial
7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: They love the people alot
7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Nic Freehold: HDB estates is their memorial
7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: also.expect deliverables
7/6/24, 12:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
History if not documented, history will be buried.
The loss will be our future generations.
The struggle that our forefathers go through, how we build Singapore will be lost.
What we have is our infrastructure build.
But how will our future generations know who build them?
7/6/24, 12:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If nothing documented, no memorial, then will our future generations know who build them?
Eg. Will the world knows who build the great wall of china?
Why world war 2 erupted? Will our current generations learn any lessons from them - how to prevent world war 3?
The mystery of Stonehenge? No documentation, no memorial - now everyone is guessing how it appear? Even guessing - is it build by aliens - how is this helpful to our current and future generations - if this is a mystery?
7/6/24, 12:46 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Linking the citizen to a beautiful past and challenges and values will help them in their life. Research shows that people with values are 70% successful in life that's what I heard <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 12:47 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Then future generations will take all our forefathers nation building for granted, become complacent.
Raid our reserves, rest on our laurels, because our infrastructure so great, fall from the sky, so wealthy - then it will do a big disfavor to our future generations...
If no memorials.
7/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Rama: This message was deleted
7/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Cf Tik Tok CEO. I am a Singaporean. Smart, wise, articulate, polite, professional and clear and direct. A Little like LKY <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 12:50 pm - +Rama: Doctored Document like WWII Japanese text books is a shame!
7/6/24, 12:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yesterday, I was discussing with my private chat groups about the ancient China - 三国演义 三分天下。
3 Kingdoms - 3 division of China - leading to many wars and geopolitical tensions and conflicts.
I say currently, the world is also going through 三国 三分天下 - multi polar geopolitical tussle - but the world not learning from the ancient China history.
My private chat group say, want to view the classical drama again and see what we can learn from it.
Hence no documentation，no memorial - how can we learn from history?
7/6/24, 12:53 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
https://youtu.be/WF4Z8gvK_XM?feature=shared
7/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/Launch-of-A-History-Of-The-Peoples-Action-Party-book
7/6/24, 12:54 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This HK drama serial - 3 ancient kingdom - not the real classical - but many of the plots are intact.
It is funny but exciting.
People will chase such drama.
7/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: What’s the relevance? Please educate Reach and us
7/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: Relevance to Founder’s Memorial
7/6/24, 12:56 pm - +Nic Freehold: Are you suggesting MediaCorp do a series
7/6/24, 12:56 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not many people like to read books.
But looking at memorial, people will will have visual - and will entice people to find out more.
Let ask our younger generations - how many people read all our forefathers books?
Got 10%?
7/6/24, 12:57 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I only manage to read 2 books written by LKY.
But all the younger generations read none.
7/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/gutsy-asia-redditors-decry-s-236-million-spending-on-overpriced-founders-memorial.7036035/
7/6/24, 12:59 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Why the world are going through 3 Kingdoms - US, China and Russia?
Can be found in the answer in ancient China 3 Kingdoms.
Yet many current generations have no clue about it.
7/6/24, 1:00 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M can be used better. The land could be sold developers for 99yrs leasehold condo
7/6/24, 1:01 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If our future generations raid our forefathers hardwork reserves, it will not be $236 million.
It will be $2 trillion - all our reserves.
Losing our history, lose our soul, lose our nation.
7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Rama: What the blady hell!?😳😡😖😔😞🤦♂️😳
7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/new-science-centre-jurong-lake-gardens-open-2027-3118096
Jurong is the turning point of our Singapore story
Why can’t we incorporate it as part of Singapore Founder’s Memorial
7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: It’s a slippery slope starts w $236Miion
7/6/24, 1:03 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Singapore start with sir Stamford raffles near marina bay.
Memorial in Marina bay is a good location.
7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: If we truly understand Singapore, Jurong transformation was 1980s fuel for our growth
Tuas Port is 2024 onwards growth
7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: i just hope that the "founding fathers" include both pap and opposition members.
we must remember that the government is made up of all the elected parties. not just PAP.
opposition members also help to shape policies.
7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Founders memorial there would be perfect
7/6/24, 1:04 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Jurong is after goh keng swee start industrialisation.
7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Jurong Bird Park already move to zoo. Jurong lacking attractions as 2nd city
7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: also the permanent secretaries. they are the ones that run the country even though party changes.
7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Rama: GKS turned a swamp into an industrial marvel after being laughed at by a then Isreali senior military officer!
7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It's also a story for tourists of our uniqueness and desire for equality for all religion, race and...
7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Nic Freehold: Our Civil service is unrecognised
7/6/24, 1:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If world war 3 are fought, then world civilization fail to learn the lessons from 3 China ancient kingdom.
7/6/24, 1:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Fight for supremacy and legacy are eternal
7/6/24, 1:11 pm - +Nic Freehold: What’s the lesson you want MediaCorp to show ?
7/6/24, 1:13 pm - +Rama: Will be a doctored show piece!
7/6/24, 1:13 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
End up, a little known scholar Sima Yi 灭掉 三国 统一 三国。
Destroy 3 ancient kingdoms and unified as One. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 1:14 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
3 Kingdoms fight - no one win - all lose to a scholar.
7/6/24, 1:14 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapores-fourth-desalination-plant-officially-opens-can-treat-both-sea-and-reservoir
This could have been incorporated into Founder’s memorial. Pay extra $36 million and save $200M
7/6/24, 1:15 pm - +Nic Freehold: I been trying to understand what Danny mentioned. And it’s relevance to Founders memorial
7/6/24, 1:16 pm - +Nic Freehold: That’s why we have Shangri La Dialogue
7/6/24, 1:18 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Eg. People look at Buddha statue, a memorial figure, younger generations will ask who is the statue and find out more.
Likewise, when people see church, mosque, temple (memorial) - people will ask what are they and will find out more .
If not who will pick up holy books to read if no memorial?
7/6/24, 1:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Interesting insights
7/6/24, 1:19 pm - +Nic Freehold: You mentioned no one read books
7/6/24, 1:20 pm - +Rama: E books or hard copies!?
7/6/24, 1:21 pm - +Liang Wei: I would much prefer
1) Demolish oxley, show due respect to LKY's primary wishes.
2) Something simple to encourage people to go and reflect on our humble beginnings
3) A well rounded narrative featuring ordinary folks as well as the leaders.
4) Encourage thoughtful reflection more than pushing a narrative kind of feel
5) Linking to a water resourcing effort sounds good.
7/6/24, 1:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
How many young people read Singapore forefathers books?
7/6/24, 1:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
All my young generations - none.
7/6/24, 1:21 pm - +Rama: Demolishing oxley gate should be after daughter is gone
7/6/24, 1:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This one should not demolished.
That is why lhy and lwl is definitely wrong.
7/6/24, 1:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
They have no foresight.
7/6/24, 1:23 pm - +Rama: LKY wishes to be respected above all considerations
7/6/24, 1:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Eg. Demolished Bethlehem ok?
Demolished bodhi tree ok?
7/6/24, 1:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Cannot whatever a great man say, we do.
Because great man may also not able to see what future generations need.
7/6/24, 1:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Demolished Bethlehem ok?
7/6/24, 1:25 pm - +Rama: Demolished all major history significant
7/6/24, 1:25 pm - +Rama: So, to hell with respect of wishes!?
7/6/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Buddha say, don't use his image for worship.
But now all Buddhists use his image for worship - else how will current generations know about Buddhism?
7/6/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Exactly. Cannot.
7/6/24, 1:26 pm - +Nic Freehold: There is no bodhi tree,
No mirror bright,
All is a void
Where can dust alight?
6th patriarch Hui Neng
7/6/24, 1:26 pm - +Rama: All Buddhists temple must Demolished statues!?
7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes
If now everything void.
Buddhism also will be void.
No one learn about Buddhism.
7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Huh????
7/6/24, 1:27 pm - +Rama: Oxley gate bought with state/public funds!?
7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Heritage.
7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M state funds
7/6/24, 1:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Better than losing trillion of dollars.
7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Rama: Over spend!
7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Who lose that
7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Rama: 😳
7/6/24, 1:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yah, opposition say use more and more of our reserves.
Thinking that reserves fall from the sky.
7/6/24, 1:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The memorial will be turn into a tourist attractions and earn more tourism $.
Definitely, it will recoup and earn more than $236 million.
7/6/24, 1:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Must as well say, destroy ancestors cemetery and memorials.
Everything void.
7/6/24, 1:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
So anyone doing that?
7/6/24, 1:34 pm - +Rama: Yes
7/6/24, 1:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Huh you mean you tear down your ancestors tomb ah?
Cannot be right?
7/6/24, 1:34 pm - +Rama: Everything commit to pictures, slides, videos, microfilm etc!
7/6/24, 1:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Did you do that?
7/6/24, 1:35 pm - +Rama: Go into text and digital records
7/6/24, 1:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh. Every Qing Ming I and my siblings families will go to my ancestors tomb to pay respect as part of filial piety to my grandparents.
We will keep this as memorial.
Wonder which younger generations will look at ancestors photos and videos?
Hardly.
7/6/24, 1:37 pm - +Rama: Somewhat in the process rather than pick , choose and debate
7/6/24, 1:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Really? You tearing down your ancestors tomb?
7/6/24, 1:38 pm - +Rama: You can not please all!
7/6/24, 1:38 pm - +Rama: Land scarce dictate!
7/6/24, 1:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I rather keep my ancestors memorial for generations and generations to pay respect and build filial piety.
7/6/24, 1:39 pm - +Rama: Commit to non physical memory
7/6/24, 1:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hahaha...
Then all void, no memory, everything lost, ancestors lost, no soul, no spirit.
Future generations will think - aliens give magic, they are born.
7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"What the West Can Learn From Singapore.
Data shows that in key areas, Singapore is better at governing than the U.S. and Britain."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/06/05/singapore-us-uk-government-comparison-elections-citizens-governance-politics/#:~:text=What%20the%20West,S.%20and%20Britain.
7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
7/6/24, 1:44 pm - +Nic Freehold: Bidadari Bukit Brown how
7/6/24, 1:45 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Why Singapore is Great.
Because Singapore governance is exceptional.
Every succession of leaders are thinking leaders with vision - not monkey see monkey do.
Everyone had a mind of their own.
That's why Singapore is a Great Nation.
Hence I support the memorial build in Marina bay and support keeping oxyley.
7/6/24, 1:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
But memorial still keep somewhere right?
7/6/24, 1:47 pm - +Rama: Memorial too costly and oxley gate must go for me!
7/6/24, 1:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
My grandma tomb in choa chu Kang, then move to a Buddhist temple.
Now all future generations pay respect.
And then all young generations of my brothers convert to Buddhism after several visits.
7/6/24, 1:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Tourism revenue will recover.
7/6/24, 1:51 pm - +Rama: Lame excuse!
7/6/24, 1:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Huh?
If dollars recover are real - cold hard cash.
Still lame excuse?
7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s the end era 1912 the last emperor
Chinese people no longer ancient they own freedom.
7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi
7/6/24, 2:07 pm - +Rama: Costs prior to laying of foundation stone not made known to public! Just bull doze through!
7/6/24, 2:10 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The $236 million is make known before hand.
I support.
Because in future, tourism revenue will definitely more than cover this.
And the historical lessons learn by generations and generations of descendants will definitely be worth it. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 2:15 pm - +Rama: LKY DIDN'T WANT ANY MEMORIAL AND OXLEY GATE TO BE DEMOLISHED!
7/6/24, 2:16 pm - +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/president-tharmans-point-about-the-benefit-of-a-strong-opposition-resurfaces-as-election-looms/
7/6/24, 2:18 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
LKY don't want fame to attach to him.
I can accept his greatness.
But the current considerations are how to let our children and future generations learn from history and not repeat mistake make.
Hence memorial and oxley house is a good memorial to get the young interested in our history and learn about the forefathers.
Else it is hdb flats everywhere.
Where is our legacy?
Where is our heritage.
How Singapore e
Originate and evolved?
How can we destroy our history?
7/6/24, 2:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I still remember when I was young, my father bring us to see the war memorial.
I ask what is this?
Then my father tell us story about japanese occupation.
Only then I start to read up about WW 2.
Without the memorial, I won't have pick up the book on WW 2.
Thus memorial definitely have a big role to play.
Year after year, world leaders go to their memorial eg. Normandy WW 2 memorial to commenerate - to learn from history .
Do we see leaders pay respect to videos and books to commenerate History?
Memorial definitely play a part in nation buildings.
7/6/24, 2:23 pm - +Rama: Whatever the lame excuses, respect the wishes of the requestor!
7/6/24, 2:24 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s showed the honor of history war who upon death battle and save our country.
7/6/24, 2:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I respect LKY but doesn't mean worship in blind faith.
In civil service, there are officers who will debate with him when something is not correct.
And LKY listen and sometimes reverse his decision.
No one is perfect.
7/6/24, 2:25 pm - +Rama: Very unfillial eldest son from my point of view!
7/6/24, 2:26 pm - +Frankie Wee: Therefore that people we know be thankful that we live today.
What if Japan win over war how will be Singapore island become like what?
7/6/24, 2:26 pm - +Rama: Perfect is the respect of his wishes!
7/6/24, 2:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Else our younger generations instead of improving will regress and become a wasteland.
一代不如一代。
7/6/24, 2:27 pm - +Rama: The millennium and z generations is a lost cause!
7/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Make sense we follow.
Don't make sense we change.
Not follow in blind faith.
7/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Young generations agree with this statement?
7/6/24, 2:28 pm - +Rama: Who are we to decide for him!?
7/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The government of the day.
7/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And I support because it make more sense.
7/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: Bring in Singapore greatest new future generation without war. That’s memorial we have live better tomorrow and we have leaned much development economy and prosperity to ASEAN.
7/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Rama: Better that he was never born then!
7/6/24, 2:30 pm - +Nic Freehold: Exactly LKY don’t want any memorial after seeing how those after use memorial as tools to misguide
7/6/24, 2:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sad he was great leader
7/6/24, 2:31 pm - +Rama: Dammed the government of the day too!
7/6/24, 2:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Must as well erase all our history.
7/6/24, 2:32 pm - +Rama: Why must have physical memories!?
7/6/24, 2:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hahaha ....
7/6/24, 2:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: My.father never bring me anywhere. He only smokes and work. I don't smoke but I work very hard <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 2:33 pm - +Rama: Your father had his priorities.
7/6/24, 2:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think you are saying, all your loved ones erase the memory of you.
You ok with that?
7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Yes. That's a good idea.
They hv alredi done many such documentaries in the past.
But this next one can focus on the "Founders" .. each Founder , in turn, wat they did, how they contributed to the legacy of Singapore as it stands today, etc.
So, besides LKY, u can hv Goh Keng Swee, Lim Kin San, Rajaratnam, Tom Chin Chye .... etc.
7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Rama: Then, do away with wills, lpa etc and just deal with how the living wants to treat the dead!?
7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: I think may be reason don’t bring bring up the memories because other country may take revenge there in return.
Example since Japan war in Singapore need to ease
7/6/24, 2:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hahaha....
So obviously you are not ok.
Same as memorial.
7/6/24, 2:35 pm - +Rama: No erase but never forget!
7/6/24, 2:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Then China also want fair in return
7/6/24, 2:36 pm - +Rama: Let go what one cannot accept!
7/6/24, 2:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If don't even have your pictures.
How do your grand grand children know how you look like?
7/6/24, 2:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everything is grey
7/6/24, 2:37 pm - +Rama: Tap relevant expertise to put on canvas and write!
7/6/24, 2:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why, this is an emotional topic - everyone carried away by emotion because of LKY wish.
But if everyone settle down and keep the mind calm - it doesn't make sense to erase history.
All our future generations will lose big - because they won't know how Singapore emerge from an ash to our current greatness if we buried our history.
7/6/24, 2:40 pm - +Rama: But it does make sense to ignore his wishes!?
7/6/24, 2:41 pm - +Frankie Wee: Write on wall list name there will alway memories those live in sg
7/6/24, 2:42 pm - +Rama: Write on wall no need physical building like oxley gate!
7/6/24, 2:42 pm - +Rose M K Ho: We can hv One Memorial to commemorate All the Founders.
In this way, no need to argue who wants or doesn't want.
In fact, it shd be viewed as our current generation paying tribute to them.
Like us giving a 'surprise' bd party to our loved ones. Do they get to choose? Of course not!
I support also the argument tt we need to leave sth behind for our future gen.
History is so-called becoz ppl deliberately write abt wat is happening now, hv it documented, and it stays over time , for ppl to know abt.
Likewise w the Memorial -- it shd withstand time like the Kranji War Memorial has . <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 2:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Great!
7/6/24, 2:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I only respect logic, rational not blind faith.
This is what LKY teach us.
7/6/24, 2:45 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And he remove the demolition in his will after cabinet decided.
So he do respect cabinet of the day.
7/6/24, 2:46 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Since NHB is involved in this, I wud also expect ther to be high-tech stuff like VD glasses to view some of the documentaries abt these Founders -- here's wher the Mediacorp documentary wl be useful -- or even a diff viewpoint on other aspects of Singapore tt the Founders hv had a hand in ... like how they made a difference to Singapore on the International scene -- changed our status to the Little Red Dot & made us famous to the world!
7/6/24, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Nothing logical about his sane wishes!?
7/6/24, 2:47 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Also my wishes is I want everything under the sun, how come no one respect my wishes ..
So sad....
7/6/24, 2:48 pm - +Frankie Wee: LKY said before that Singapore island may not enough space in future. He decided to demolition and let Singapore people will have place to live building nation
7/6/24, 2:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
His wish is sane.
But his logic is not.
7/6/24, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Convenient to talk now that he's long gone six foot under!?
7/6/24, 2:49 pm - +Rama: Wish he knew when he was alive!
7/6/24, 2:49 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh, he already knows that.
Because he changed his will after cabinet told him.
7/6/24, 2:50 pm - +Rama: On whose request or force to!?
7/6/24, 2:51 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Well LKY is still very influential at that time.
If he doesn't want to change his will, no one can legally.
7/6/24, 2:51 pm - +Nic Freehold: Please note only fascist do that
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Rama: Cohert possibly!?
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Exactly.
So we cannot erase our history.
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: He didn’t want Ho Chin Minh, Stalin, Reagan, idolisation
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: Erasing means burning books and all data
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Even powerful communist and our neighbors cannot coerce him if he don't want to.
7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: Your absolutist thinking is so unbuddha like
7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Did he want founders memorial and oxley gate to be done!?
7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: No
7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Government internally!?
7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/ is his legacy
7/6/24, 2:54 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Singapore's remarkable journey was pioneered by a visionary group of leaders, spearheaded by the indefatigable Lee Kuan Yew. LKY, a statesman of unwavering dedication and unrelenting passion, charted the nation's course with unerring vision and wisdom. Alongside him stood a team of equally dedicated and talented individuals, including Dr. Goh Keng Swee, Mr. S. Rajaratnam, and Dr. Toh Chin Chye, among others.
7/6/24, 2:54 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Well I support the memorial because it will serve our future generations well.
We respect the founders wish, but we need to think for the greater good for our future generations.
I am sure the founders understand.
7/6/24, 2:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
So that we will not lose any part or details of our history.
Else we will be like Stonehenge - make by aliens.
7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Together, they formed a formidable team that tackled the daunting challenges of nation-building with courage, creativity, and perseverance. Their collective leadership and statesmanship transformed Singapore from a fledgling nation to a modern, thriving metropolis.
LKY's leadership was instrumental in shaping Singapore's destiny. His unwavering commitment to good governance, economic development, and social cohesion laid the foundation for the nation's success. His innovative policies and programs, such as the establishment of the Economic Development Board and the Housing and Development Board, propelled Singapore's rapid industrialisation and urbanisation.
7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Rama: Easy to assume once they are dead!
7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: For his personally family matter but for Singapore memories history can’t erasing how we remember Malaysia separation Singapore without defence and nation
7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: LKY was there tear
7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Fake!?
7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Huh… wait
7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Plesse also look at SM Lee Hsien Loong's eyes!
7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Rama: Good acting skills!?
7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: This was to answer Danny absolute rhetoric.
7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://youtu.be/UET6V4YnAwc?si=G0Fn-7-ey-7bAgUJ
7/6/24, 2:59 pm - +Nic Freehold: We have enough LKY memorials but not enough Dr Goh Keng Swee and others.
It was a team effort.
7/6/24, 3:00 pm - +Rama: This is genuine beyond the core of a human being!
7/6/24, 3:00 pm - +Rama: Agree but the whole pioneer team too!
7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: https://youtu.be/YqvULAMqkBg?si=YsBFkzn6w6wkE1VV
7/6/24, 3:01 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That's why founders memorial is to restore all the founders and the history.
7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Dr. Goh Keng Swee, a brilliant economist and strategist, played a crucial role in shaping Singapore's economic landscape. His expertise in economic development and finance helped create a robust and resilient economy.
7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +Rama: I won't miss him!
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: David Marshall?
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Memorial is the whole team.
Oxley is the cabinet team meeting that secure Singapore Independence.
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Rama: Controversial
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Mr. S. Rajaratnam, a seasoned diplomat and statesman, played a key role in shaping Singapore's foreign policy and international relations. His wisdom and experience helped navigate the nation through complex geopolitical waters.
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: He learned from his father there is not much power can change
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Dr. Toh Chin Chye, a distinguished scientist and educator, contributed significantly to Singapore's scientific and educational development. His leadership in these fields helped create a knowledge-based economy and a highly educated population.
7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: We could have more growth 1985-2000 if he stayed instead of going to China
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Rama: The current population in general have no respect for the pledge!
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The first generation of leaders' legacy continues to inspire and motivate Singaporeans today. Their selfless dedication, visionary leadership, and unwavering commitment to the nation's progress have earned them a special place in the hearts of Singaporeans.
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: Founders’
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: Danny worries about erasing history
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: So all should be stated
7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Rama: He said then, release unconditionally the cpf once we reach 55!
7/6/24, 3:04 pm - +Rama: Government will not have it!
7/6/24, 3:04 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Good you agree with me.
7/6/24, 3:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Sad! Also blame the Chee Ko Pek men so go batam got tricked of all their money
7/6/24, 3:05 pm - +Rama: Agree but the women there wised up eventually!
7/6/24, 3:05 pm - +Nic Freehold: I agree w substance not talk about black holes and 3 kingdoms irrelevant hocus pocus
7/6/24, 3:05 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hahaha....
7/6/24, 3:06 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M and that piece of prime land could fetch us $2-3 billion in land revenue and taxes
7/6/24, 3:06 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Good diversion.
7/6/24, 3:07 pm - +Nic Freehold: so you been diverting our attention away from important matters sigh
7/6/24, 3:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not exactly, it is bringing an analogy.
7/6/24, 3:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That history is important.
7/6/24, 3:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
While siphoning emotion away - to leave logic behind.
7/6/24, 3:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: Singapore policies and infrastructure are advance and innovative
7/6/24, 3:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: Because of dialectic debate that improve thinking
7/6/24, 3:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: Watch movie the machine time
7/6/24, 3:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: How the past return to the future end era
7/6/24, 3:11 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
Never erase history.
Learn from it.
So we don't make the same mistake or reinvent the wheel.
7/6/24, 3:21 pm - +Nic Freehold: We need to have a Dr Goh memorial because the Sg institutions we have many starts from him
7/6/24, 3:22 pm - +Rama: The architect of our economic success and miracle to a first word country!
7/6/24, 3:23 pm - +~l or Smiley face: 7 June, 2024
"A Nation's Pride: Stories of Resilience and Progress"
"Imagine a place where the past meets the future, where stories come alive, and where hearts and minds are inspired. The Founder's Centre is more than just a museum! It's a journey through time, a celebration of resilience, and a tribute to the visionaries who shaped our nation....
7/6/24, 3:23 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I don't disagree, he started defense industry, saf, Jurong industrialisation, economy, finance and many others.
He is LKY very strong cabinet minister. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Nic Freehold: Another founders memorial would be LKY overshadow everything
7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Rama: Was the government intention only to focus on one founder!?
7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Nic Freehold: that’s why $236M state funds unnecessary
7/6/24, 3:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Founders memorial is everyone in the team if I am not wrong.
7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Rama: Incorporate all relevant into the upcoming one!?
7/6/24, 3:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And the memorial will be a tourist spots that earn tourists revenue - to refresh our tourists attractions.
7/6/24, 3:25 pm - +Jimmy Chew: This message was deleted
7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yes
7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Rama: I support only if the entire founding cabinet members are included!
7/6/24, 3:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think so.
7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Rama: I hope so!
7/6/24, 3:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.foundersmemorial.gov.sg/shapeourmemorial/en/foundersmemorial
7/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s good start Singapore will building
7/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: As for USA has many history founders memorial history since 1880
7/6/24, 3:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Very good memorial.
Better than reading books.
Our current generation and descendants will definitely learn many history lessons.
7/6/24, 3:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: It will be Ai in future
7/6/24, 3:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: 👍
7/6/24, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=f7a6b198-ea18-4163-a930-e07d2507a15b
7/6/24, 3:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yusof bin Ishak is first president in Singapore 1965 independent
7/6/24, 3:37 pm - +Jack Sparrow: I am supportive on the efforts to document our history since our separation but I wonder why can't it be exhibited in National Mueseum of Singapore as a permanent exhibit. It seems like Gov wants to raise an infrastructure at the reclaimed land and finding a purpose for it.
National Museum makes more sense to me as it is at the heart of our city, with Padang nearby and some other iconic structures.
If we want to raise a structure at the reclaim land, it can be another exhibition, concert, recreational or family space. Afterall it is located within a park, where most people and families will probably be dressed down. Calling it 'Founders Memorial' denote some tragic events or worshiping of individuals, which I don't think that is intention. Which I think the name gave rise to some of the comments here.
7/6/24, 3:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Unless serious scholars or those serious readers who want to know more.
Else many people won't read such a serious article without zzzzZZZZ.
That's why I am asking how many youngster read the forefathers memoirs?
7/6/24, 3:37 pm - +Rama: 🤷♂️
7/6/24, 3:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: Leave it history in future as this stone of memories
7/6/24, 3:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: Somebody want to know how Singapore start developing
7/6/24, 3:39 pm - +Rama: A little tiny dot success story!
7/6/24, 3:39 pm - +Frankie Wee: True
7/6/24, 3:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
National museum so small.
I only visit once when I was young and no longer going there.
Museum exhibits other things as well - cannot get a good grasp of our nation buildings.
Also don't see alot of tourist going to museum.
7/6/24, 3:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: So far I can’t see 3000 but leave it as stone ppl will read them
7/6/24, 3:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: I am present 2024
7/6/24, 3:41 pm - +Rama: Tourism board and MOE have a lot to make up for!
7/6/24, 3:41 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "With deepest gratitude and humility, we acknowledge the collective excellence that has made our SG a reality. Credit where credit is due; 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G leadership and our people, our shared heritage and shape a brighter future. Together, we honor our past, cherish our present, and inspire generations to come."
-- anonymity
"ASEAN country's Foreign Direct Investment" (FDI)
2024:
- Brunei: $856 million (Jan-Feb 2024)
- Cambodia: $1.37 billion (Jan-Mar 2024)
- Indonesia: $6.1 billion (Q1 2024)
- Laos: $326 million (Jan-Feb 2024)
- Malaysia: $5.4 billion (Q1 2024)
- Myanmar: $345 million (Jan-Mar 2024)
- Philippines: $2.1 billion (Q1 2024)
- Singapore: $14.4 billion (Q1 2024)
- Thailand: $4.2 billion (Q1 2024)
- Vietnam: $4.3 billion (Q1 2024)
2022:
- Brunei: $683 million
- Cambodia: $2.16 billion
- Indonesia: $19.15 billion
- Laos: $435 million
- Malaysia: $12.97 billion
- Myanmar: $613 million
- Philippines: $3.98 billion
- Singapore: $99.66 billion
- Thailand: $12.81 billion
- Vietnam: $15.67 billion
2022:
- FDI inflows into ASEAN reached an all-time high at $224 billion in 2022.
- Intra-ASEAN FDI also continued to expand further to $28 billion in 2022.
- The share of ASEAN FDI to the global FDI has also increased to 17 percent from the 15 percent level in 2021.
- Despite a 12 percent decline in global FDI flows to $1.3 trillion, ASEAN remained a top FDI recipient.
- The robust growth in manufacturing investment, and the increased interest in sectors related to energy transition, digital economy, wholesale and retail trade are among the key drivers of these strong investment trends.
https://asean.org/book/asean-investment-report-2023/
7/6/24, 3:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Overseas memorials are very grand.
I visited Taiwan one, see documentation on China one, saw US Hawaii memorial the pearl harbor - didn't feel like a tragic events.
It aptly display its history - with visual impact - better than reading a book and then forget most of it. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 3:45 pm - +Rama: We have a lot of catching up to do!
7/6/24, 3:46 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I can assure you, I think we won't regret it after we build and visit the memorial.
It is definitely more worthwhile than going casino.
7/6/24, 3:47 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
It make us feel proud of our heritage - who we are, why we are here, and what lessons we learn.
7/6/24, 3:47 pm - +Rama: If it meets my expectations
7/6/24, 3:48 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Let see...
7/6/24, 3:48 pm - +Rama: Long overdue
7/6/24, 3:50 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Historical Realities:
Singapore's journey began over 700 years ago, with the establishment of the Kingdom of Singapura in 1299. The island's strategic location and natural harbour made it an attractive trading post, with merchants from China, India, and Southeast Asia visiting its shores. As trade and commerce flourished, Singapore became a melting pot of different races and cultures. Chinese immigrants arrived from the 14th century onwards, followed by Indians, Malays, and Eurasians. Each community brought with them their unique customs, languages, and beliefs, shaping the nation's multiracial fabric...
7/6/24, 3:52 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Our museum no matter how we refurbished will not have the same effect - probably 10% of it.
If you visit overseas one, it can be overwhelming.
I and my wife visited the pearl harbor memorial - many visitors.
As we go through halfway, my wife tears flow and I also a bit overwhelmed with emotion - can imagine how the soldiers sustain the sinking of many big ships.
We stand and watch a sunk ship guarded by 2 Marines.
Very emotional.
Never forget the WW2. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 3:54 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Imagine if don't have such memorial, our future generations will happy go lucky - forgot about history.
And then WW 3 erupted....
7/6/24, 3:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
"World War 3 has already started.
Andrew Fox"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/world-war-3-already-started-134313735.html#:~:text=Opinion-,World%20War%203%20has%20already%20started,Andrew%20Fox,-Thu%2C%206%20June
7/6/24, 3:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
See what happens....
Humans didn't learn from history.
7/6/24, 4:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
7/6/24, 4:02 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Understood. What I meant was National Museum should be for national history. If its small, run-down, then it is about upgrading it. If the visitorship is low, then it is about promoting it.
From what I see from the FM website, the documentation of history is going to be in an exhibition gallery? Then no difference putting it in National Museum. Furthermore, the location/ architecture is not really related to our founding history as compared to City Hall, as compared to other national memorials in other countries.
Again, no objection documenting our history. Only the place to do so and whether FM will accept visitors in bikes, scooters, and sweat 😅 If yes, then agree we can potentially expose our history to more Singaporeans (_looking for aircon after a family fun activity_) as compared to National Museum that is located in city and most Singaporeans don't go to.
7/6/24, 4:06 pm - +Nic Freehold: Have you been to extension
7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think the new one will be very different.
I have seen a couple of overseas one.
No matter how to upgrade the national museum - its size, its architecture will not be able to have the same effect.
Marina bay is a vast empty land.
Looking at the virtual tour - I think the new one effect will be quite close to those into overseas.
7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I have not.
7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh I have been to the Peranakan one.
Also very small.
7/6/24, 4:08 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This one will have the effects I see from overseas.
7/6/24, 4:10 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And I am quite sure, this will be a crowd pullers for not only local tourists but also overseas tourists.
Definitely, will earn tourism revenue. A new tourist spots. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 4:14 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "Get ready for a World-Class and out-of-this-world experience that's uniquely SINGAPORE!
-- anonymity
7/6/24, 4:16 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Anyway, ground breaking done so won't shift. 😄
Broader point is rejuvenating City Hall area since we have many iconic structures there.
7/6/24, 4:17 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I don't disagree.
7/6/24, 4:24 pm - +Andy: 2028 I'm looking forward to visiting the memorial with my family hopefully if I have grandchildren I will bring them too. Hopefully no fees needed for citizens and PRs.
May I suggest schools to have a field trip to the memorial and learn about our history.
As for tourists, I think they will be very keen to visit and don't mind paying entrance fees.
7/6/24, 4:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hmm...
If free for locals I don't mind.
Hahaha...
Money not enough. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 4:27 pm - +Rama: What is the various rates for entrance fees!?
7/6/24, 4:27 pm - +Rama: Ask Jack Neo!
7/6/24, 4:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I think not determine yet.
Too early.
7/6/24, 4:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hahaha...
7/6/24, 5:20 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
We want to *HEAR* from you!
💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?*
We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Megan 😊
7/6/24, 5:32 pm - +Nic Freehold: To commemorate, name the Long Island after Goh Keng Swee which if maybe made of 2 parts, then 1 after Rajaratnam
7/6/24, 5:33 pm - +Nic Freehold: We have Marina Square, South and East which transport wise is far apart if confused.
7/6/24, 5:34 pm - +Nic Freehold: Name Marina East after Toh Chin Chye?
7/6/24, 5:34 pm - +Nic Freehold: SUTD means can have Toh Chin Chye school of xxxxx
7/6/24, 5:35 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Lim Kim San, a visionary leader and dedicated statesman, transformed Singapore's landscape with his innovative vision. His tireless efforts in housing, urban planning, and economic growth have left a lasting legacy, inspiring generations to strive for excellence. His contributions will always be remembered and cherished, a true testament to his wisdom and leadership.
7/6/24, 5:36 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The summit of Singapore's first generation of leaders, led by Lee Kuan Yew, has left an indelible mark on the nation's history. Their visionary leadership, unwavering dedication, and collective statesmanship have created a modern, prosperous, and harmonious society. Their enduring legacy continues to inspire future generations, ensuring that Singapore remains a beacon of hope and progress for generations to come.
The Founder's Project offers a unique opportunity to showcase Singapore's rich history and cultural heritage. The proposed exhibits and technologies will work together to create an immersive and engaging experience for visitors. By exploring Singapore's history in more depth, the essay demonstrates a richer understanding of the nation's complex history, achieving a higher grade.
Singapore's history is a testament to the nation's resilience and progress. From its humble beginnings as a trading post to its current status as a modern, industrialised nation, Singapore has come a long way. The Founder's Project offers a unique opportunity to showcase this history and inspire future generations. With careful planning and execution, this project can be a resounding success and a source of pride for Singaporeans.
7/6/24, 5:36 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.rsis.edu.sg/
7/6/24, 5:37 pm - +Nic Freehold: Foreign Minister so can name 1 Changi terminal after Rajaratnam
7/6/24, 5:38 pm - +Nic Freehold: We cherish founders but if the narrative is PAP centred without David Marshall, etc then my plans saves tax payer $236M
7/6/24, 5:41 pm - +Nic Freehold: And saving money for a rainy day is what PAP original founders prerogative. Not another white elephant
7/6/24, 5:42 pm - +Nic Freehold: Turf City is huge. David Marshal Avenue, road signs is a must spend, just what is printed
7/6/24, 5:44 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Change Turf City name to Founders' City with Street names after our founders?
7/6/24, 5:44 pm - +Nic Freehold: Exactly because we need street names
7/6/24, 5:45 pm - +Nic Freehold: Singaporeans have problems w Compassvale which mean nothing
7/6/24, 5:46 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Each of these street sign comes with unique "face" of each founder?
7/6/24, 5:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.ricemedia.co/singaporeans-speak-on-singapores-confusing-place-names/
7/6/24, 5:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: Solve problems and save money
7/6/24, 5:52 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singaporean are proud to live better
7/6/24, 5:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.visitsingapore.com/travel-tips/about-singapore/
7/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: Jurong area so many new MRT stations
Cross island line so many stations that need names.
Police academy estate need names
7/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: New creation place
7/6/24, 5:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: Memorial plates in each station more likely to be read and known then an isolated area
7/6/24, 5:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: How many Singapore went up super treees?
7/6/24, 5:58 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Ong Pang Boon
7/6/24, 5:59 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Ahmad Mattar
7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Rama: Jek Yoon Tong
7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Othman bin Wok
7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Rama: Othman Wok
7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Nic Freehold: Mattar station is a good example
7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Nic Freehold: Downtown line
7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Chua Sian Chin
7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I thought he is against his home being museum because of what he saw in Shakespeare home? I think he's okay with civic walk
7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Nic Freehold: Instead of wasting money on that Marina naming contest
7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +Rama: Ong Pang Boon
7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Yong Nyuk Lin
7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: Ngiam stadium for new sports hub at TPYH
7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: You never know citizens may have aore meaningful design than the professional. Look at the after effects of the Vietnam memorial in the US after it was built
7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted
7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am all for citizens to be involved
7/6/24, 6:04 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We should start with the pioneers
7/6/24, 6:04 pm - +~l or Smiley face: E W Barker
7/6/24, 6:05 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Reimagining A Digital Odessey:
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7/6/24, 6:06 pm - +~l or Smiley face: HH Wee Chong Jin
HH Yong Pung How (apologises typo error)
7/6/24, 6:08 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Past Presidents of Singapore
7/6/24, 6:10 pm - +Rama: Including Devan No Alcohol I Resigned Nair!?
7/6/24, 6:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
All the names will appear in the memorial at one place - and highlights their contribution so that future generations know the history.
Naming each one in one road - how to relate the history?
7/6/24, 6:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
This founder memorial will be NHB most significant project to date.
As it will display, document, and inspire our many generations down the road - how Singapore is build - and how they have are brought up in Singapore - by all the forefathers blood and sweat.
A very significant and consequential project to date indeed.
7/6/24, 6:24 pm - +Kel Li: So nice that a incident ON some one left early have occur about memorial D-day in France now. When a person don't even know about history will have issue . Having a memorial is as good as a white elephant if no one know the meaning of it. Or even a insult to history in long run. Next good example is NS square it laughing stock . naming someone after a road must be national hero not just pioneer. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 6:29 pm - +Kel Li: Even without any memorial , ppl goes back to France beach every 5 years for the reason. Only a vaild reason or even a cause , ppl will auto go there one. <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 6:33 pm - +Kel Li: Best example if u now grab anyone ( those below 30 ) on the street ask them which is WW1 memorial , which one is WW2 ? Which one is lim bo seng one.
7/6/24, 6:34 pm - +Rama: You get blur sotong look!😳
7/6/24, 6:36 pm - +Kel Li: Anyone visited Kanji one ? Even now u ask who is Lieutenant Adnan , i doubt these new citizen or even younger generation know as well.
7/6/24, 6:37 pm - +Rama: 😳🤷♂️
7/6/24, 6:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The one that lead a Malay regiment that fought the Japanese - refuse to surrender even when overran.
7/6/24, 6:38 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
He is another hero after Lim bo Seng.
7/6/24, 6:39 pm - +Kel Li: have you go to ford factory or even the SAF place at Joo koon ?
7/6/24, 6:39 pm - +Kel Li: it totally no ppl
7/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hence congregating all the historical facts in the founder memorial - will be the best place to tell the Singapore story.
7/6/24, 6:40 pm - +Rama: Ford Factory was the place of the surrender!?
7/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Yes.
7/6/24, 6:40 pm - +Kel Li: u go there u see got ppl or not?
7/6/24, 6:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Because it all started from sang nila utama and sir Stamford raffles at marina bay - around there call temasek.
7/6/24, 6:42 pm - +Kel Li: Even u see there a guided bus to BBQ hill ( can see Jurong island ) in SG , no one interested right? not sure still in operate <This message was edited>
7/6/24, 6:42 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
A founder memorial in Marina bay is a good "start" - the beginning of modern Singapore.
7/6/24, 6:43 pm - +Rama: 😳
7/6/24, 6:44 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
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7/6/24, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
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