REACH 581 - What are your thoughts about the oil spill clean-up efforts up till today? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?

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24 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)

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24/6/24, 10:46 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

On Jun 22 (Sat), it was reported that over 71,000kg of oil-soaked sand has been scooped up at the three Sentosa beaches since June 15, a day after the incident happened. 

💬 *What are your thoughts about the oil spill clean-up efforts up till today? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?*

In a Facebook post on June 20, Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu said she had visited Sentosa to observe the ongoing cleanup process, which “involves a lot of hard work”.

Minister Grace Fu added that the immediate focus is to stop the oil spill from spreading inwards, adding that over 71,000kg of oil-soaked sand has since been scooped up at Palawan, Siloso and Tanjong beaches, whose shorelines were blackened after the oil spill.

“We therefore seek the public’s patience and understanding that more time is needed for the cleanup work along the beachfronts. Before reopening, we also need to ensure that water quality is within safe levels,”

Aside from the Sentosa beaches, affected areas also include the shoreline along Labrador Nature Reserve, East Coast Park and Tanah Merah. However, Minister Grace Fu said the National Environmental Agency has cleaned up most of these areas. 

Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) has engaged an oil spill recovery company for the clean up efforts shortly after the incident happened. 

However, poor weather conditions have also delayed the laying of booms around damaged ship. The workers’ speed was impeded by strong winds and poor visibility in heavy rain, as they had to take precautions not to fall.

Under ideal weather conditions, deploying 200m of booms takes about an hour from the time the response vessel reaches the site until the booms are positioned and secured, Captain Sahai, the managing director of T&T Salvage Asia said. Stronger and sturdier booms take longer to deploy, and stronger currents can slow boats and delay the process.

On June 20, the authorities said that 3.4km of booms had been deployed since June 14 across affected sites to contain the spill. 

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24/6/24, 10:56 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: From what I'm reading in the straitstimes, the procedures can be improved.  eg: once ship collide and oil spill is reported, activities should happen in parallel. oil collection boats and booms should start to be transferred to collision site whilst assessment is being done.  right now, things are done in sequence which delayed the capturing of the oil.

what troubles me is that I do not read of anything reported about trying to improve the processes.  There are no mention of drills being done to hone the people and make them familiar with all the procedures, etc.  Instead everyone is trying to show that they have already done their best.  I do not doubt that they have done their best, but squential activities are not the fastest way to tackle time critical accidents.

24/6/24, 11:03 am - +Frankie Wee: There is a risk on sea when spill oil. What will happening heat or itself set fire?

There a marine life saving planet need an equipment to protect away from spill oil.

24/6/24, 11:05 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.oilspillprevention.org/oil-spill-cleanup/ocean-oil-spill-cleanup

24/6/24, 11:13 am - +Rama: Another issue is the oil stuck between the rocks.  Cost of cleaning up!?

24/6/24, 11:14 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.oilspillresponse.com/news--media/blog/how-we-respond-to-oil-spills-and-work-to-prevent-marine-pollution-worldwide/

24/6/24, 11:15 am - +Frankie Wee: Government pay cost of money to cleanup

24/6/24, 11:16 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.ecocoast.com/environment/oil-booms/?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADzLspzykMwb9DlDWaE71z6QJ2bVw

24/6/24, 12:16 pm - +Rama: To claim from!?

24/6/24, 12:23 pm - +Andrew Ang: Those companies which are causing the oil spillage...

24/6/24, 12:44 pm - +Frankie Wee: MPA

24/6/24, 12:44 pm - +Rama: Don't think so.

24/6/24, 1:18 pm - +~l or Smiely face: "We owe it to ourselves and to the next generation to conserve the environment so that we can bequeath our children a sustainable world."

--  Wangari Maathai, (Nobel Peace Prize, 1/4/40 – 25/9/11)

24/6/24, 1:34 pm - +Rama: So, the penalty for non compliance has to be fair. Subsidies voucher for purchase of refrigerator,  air con, washing machine must have the maximum ticks to help with containing climate change somehow!

24/6/24, 1:54 pm - +KL: Now more than 200 Malaysian fish farmer going to claim from us ( note that is not sg pay but those ship companies) I wonder how it floats so fast ? Cos June got no monsoon due to Sumatra ridges . <This message was edited>

24/6/24, 1:57 pm - +~l or Smiely face: At national Level and at cross border level....it will be a Multi party claimants pointing to the spiller!

24/6/24, 2:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

24/6/24, 2:07 pm - +~l or Smiely face: "Mental Sum"  (心理有数)

Let's comprehensively calculate all costs, including environmental damages, economic losses, and impacts on livelihoods. Prior to litigation, we should establish a provisional budget to cover potential damages. In the event that the responsible party's funds are insufficient, a contingency budget should be allocated to cover the shortfall. This contingency amount will serve as the final settlement figure.

What are the forseeable Costs?

1. Environmental damages

2. Cleanup costs

3. Economic losses (e.g., impact on fisheries, tourism, and local businesses)

4. Livelihood impacts (e.g., compensation for affected communities)

5. Legal fees and litigation costs

24/6/24, 2:10 pm - +~l or Smiely face: "Black to Back! The Singapore oil spill serves as a reminder of the need for collective action to protect our environment. As we learned from this incident and taking collective action, we can create a more sustainable future for all. In big and small ways, our cleanup efforts have showcased the transformative power of community spirit, uniting individuals from diverse backgrounds in a shared quest to restore our environment. This collective achievement serves as a shining example, illuminating a path towards a future where environmental stewardship is a universal value that transcends boundaries and ideologies, inspiring a better tomorrow for all."

-- anonymity

24/6/24, 2:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: Is there a law of sea in traffic with buoyancy

24/6/24, 2:15 pm - +~l or Smiely face: Real World Examples:

- Green shipping technologies: Maersk's carbon-neutral vessels, Hapag-Lloyd's LNG-powered ships

- Sustainable shipping practices: IMO's Energy Efficiency Design Index, EU's MRV regulation

- Marine protected areas: UNESCO's Marine World Heritage Sites, EU's Natura 2000 network

- Research and development: EU's Horizon Europe programme, US's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) grants

- International cooperation: IMO's Global Maritime Partnerships, UN's Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs)

24/6/24, 2:16 pm - +~l or Smiely face: Choose all the above and the "at fault parties" will...

24/6/24, 2:17 pm - +~l or Smiely face: In whatsoever endings and reasonings, ..."laylong the ships"?

24/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. I recall last week in a food court, I witness someone accidentally topple a large coke with the lid on.

Luckily, the lid is still intact, but quite a large volume of coke spill out from the small opening of the coke.

It spread around the floor in a split second (without wave helping the spread unlike in the sea).

The first reaction, the woman immediately pick up the topple coke and put it upright. This stop the spill immediately.

Then I notice the spill flow under the table in my direction (without the help of the wave) - and this is about a few seconds - before I can even understand what is happening.

By the time, i start to cognized the entire incident, I realise the spill has already spill to underneath her table and stop there without coming to mine.

The spill also go to her neighboring table up front.

The cleaner, a young China national male happen to walk past. He immediately calm the woman down not to panic, look around the mess and survey how far the spill spread, to which areas. Notice the spill spread to 2 tables underneath. Only after he did a detail survey, before he walk towards the back of food court, and come back with a yellow "water caution" sign and a mop.

This take about 5 minutes to do so.

So in total, without the help of the wave in the sea, the spill damage coverage is 2 tables - and this take up about 10 minutes to stop the spill and assess the damage.

Then the cleaner start to place the "caution sign" at a strategic location to warn people, shift the chairs from the 2 tables and start to mop the floor.

All these take about 20 minutes.

In total, 30 minutes to clear the mess.

My assessment is, at the split second when the coke drop, the spill take place and the spread of the coke on the floor ---- it is about a few seconds. (Even without the help of the sea waves).

I figure if Bruce Lee come or IP Man or Jet Li comes and with lightning speed, react when the coke drop and spill ---- to pick up the coke, survey the spill, put up the warning sign, shift all the chairs and start mopping the spill with lightning speed ---- the first few seconds before those supermen react --- would have already cause the damage and spill spread.

Even Bruce Lee - Jit Kun do - "be water" --- cannot stop the water spill that spread in a few seconds to a large area (even without the help of a sea wave) - based on the Law of Physics.

24/6/24, 2:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Now I try to put the spill coke analogy into the container oil spill in the open sea - and try to visualize the impact of the oil spill.

2. When the dredger bang into the container fuel tank, the big opening of the fuel tank will have spill the oil into the sea (1/2 tank 400 ton of oil spill into the sea). I envisage, the first 11 minutes will have spill 400 ton of oil spill into the sea through the opening of the fuel tank.

3. 11 minutes response time by MPA to connect with the crews of the damaged container to turn the engine around and stop the spill from the remaining of the other half of the fuel tank of another 400 ton of fuel from the damage container - is a respectable fast respond.

4. As read, MPA immediately activate the oil spill contractor with boom to wrap around the damage ship to contain the oil spill.

But with rain, strong waves, rough sea --- deploying the boom is a challenge - and need to ensure the safety of the workers without falling into the sea, drenched by the toxic spill oil.

5. The strong waves will have already start to spread the oil spill.

I recall reading when aircraft crash, the strong waves can spread the debris 100 km away.

Hence I am not surprise is a big feat to stop the spread of the oil spill within such a limited time.

6. Before deploying more resources to contain the spread of the oil spill, accurate surveillance will be imperative --- and this will need aerial surveillance such as deploying drones, as well as sea surveillance, surrounding coastal surveillance - which involve deploying - I believe hundred of trained workers - even with the help of advanced technologies.

Because strong waves can spread the oil spill unpredictably in all directions.

What i read from overseas oil spill --- is equally daunting. And usually, the damage is far more devastating - because rescue team are far less organised than Singapore. It takes many months to clean up the mess.

7. Only after detail surveillance on the spread, can the appropriate resources and manpower be deployed to tackle the spill --- in fact an all government agencies effort and private sector efforts, and community efforts activated to contain the spread.

8. Correspond to the analogy of coke spill, the oil spread will have similar impact but magnified few hundred times.

And compounding the spill that is absent from the coke spill - the oil spill is compounded by additional unpredictable factor - the sea waves which help accelerate the spread into many directions - depending on the ever changing waves and wind.

9. Hence my assessment of the current Government effort - is that despite all odds and challenges - the Government has respond and did considerably well in stopping the spill, containing the oil spill and the subsequent clean up operations.

Though it will take a bit more time to further clean up the crevices, nook and corner of the polluted coastlines.

24/6/24, 3:06 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Singapore do have contingency plan, training of various defence forces, emergency response team and maritime response team ---- conducting annual mobilisation exercise on real live scenarios.

2. Such exercises are done internally across the various related government agencies and private contractors.

3. And sometimes, such exercises are done bi-laterally or multi-laterally with friendlly neighboring countries.

4. I recall Singapore do conduct join maritime exercise with Malaysia, specifically Johor.

5. Hence I am not surprised with the 11 minutes response time, and the subsequent ramp up of all government and private contractors effort to contain the oil spill - as such emergency scenarios have been trained on and mobilisation conducted.

6. However, this oil spill provide a valuable lessons for our maritime response team --- and lessons learned can be incorporated to our contingency plan to make our future response even better.

24/6/24, 3:09 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

24/6/24, 3:10 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

24/6/24, 3:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

24/6/24, 3:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Hence comparing the impact of our current oil spill - versus those happen overseas who are much developed, much endowed, much technological advance - I commended that our Government effort in containing the current oil spill is commendable - for in just 2 weeks -- the oil spill is stopped, spread is contained and cleanup have be done so fast and so extensive - except some crevices, nook and cracks.

2. Our planning, preparation, yearly training and live exercises with real scenarios --- have make our maritime emergency response team on the tip-top position.

3. Kudos must be given when due.

24/6/24, 3:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Oil spill clean-up: Singapore to seek compensation from owner of stationary ship that was hit by another vessel".

This ship suay - kenna hit, yet kenna sue for oil leaks.

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/oil-spill-compensation-owner-marine-honour-bunker-vessel-4423686#:~:text=Oil%20spill%20clean%2Dup%3A%20Singapore%20to%20seek%20compensation%20from%20owner%20of%20stationary%20ship%20that%20was%20hit%20by%20another%20vessel

24/6/24, 3:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. After the cleanup - damage assessment must be done.

2. How much we spend for cleaning the oil spill, coastlines etc. How much losses our business along the coastline sustain etc must be computed to seek compensation from the damage ships insurers.

3. Even Johor impacted oil spillage losses - should be claim against the container ship insurer.

4. The damage container ship loss - should in term be claimed from the dredger that bang it.

5. This will close the loop of compensation.

24/6/24, 3:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

24/6/24, 3:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oil spill in US - 1,770 km coastline cutting across 3 US states polluted.

24/6/24, 3:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

24/6/24, 3:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It takes 10 months to clean up the oil spill.

24/6/24, 3:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Correspondingly, Singapore take 2 weeks to almost clean up the major portion of the polluted coastlines.

Now only left some crevices, cracks and nooks.

So in comparison, Singapore containment of oil spill is indeed commendable.

Our planning, preparation and yearly training make our response team done a superb job 👍。

24/6/24, 4:04 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

24/6/24, 5:03 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

See the impact of tsunami waves.

How fast can it spread?

Non-stoppable.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ETK2VM9-UHI?feature=shared

24/6/24, 5:05 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If there is an oil spill, if the waves is very strong - imagine what will be the spread of the oil spill?

Can even superman stop the spread of the oil spill?

24/6/24, 5:06 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is the Law of Physics.

Nature elements versus human strength.

24/6/24, 5:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: International law take action against owner shipyard’s spill oil and its cost millions dollars to cleanup.

24/6/24, 5:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: I wonder how international law could help Philippines’s sea when China threat territory over disputed sea

24/6/24, 5:21 pm - +Rama: It could not as China did not respect the ruling against them nor did they appeal!

24/6/24, 5:22 pm - +REACH: *Removal of oil from seas, beaches nearly completed; cleanup of spill enters next phase* 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/removal-of-oil-from-seas-beaches-nearly-completed-clean-up-of-spill-enters-next-phase

24/6/24, 5:23 pm - +Rama: Singapore took a beating then from the Chinese press for standing up for the Philippines then.

24/6/24, 5:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: Then why Philippines govt agreed to join BRICS its case happened

24/6/24, 5:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/brics-malaysia-thailand-indonesia-bloc-asean-4426441

24/6/24, 5:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: China likely take action without international law

24/6/24, 5:26 pm - +Frankie Wee: China economy very risk when collapsing

24/6/24, 5:34 pm - +REACH: Booms around damaged vessel ‘preventive’, not meant to fence in spilt oil: Chee Hong Tat

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/booms-around-damaged-vessel-preventive-and-not-to-fence-in-spilt-oil-chee-hong-tat

24/6/24, 5:36 pm - +REACH: Action plan to protect and restore coastal habitats after oil spill in the works: Desmond Lee

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/action-plan-to-protect-and-restore-coastal-habitats-after-oil-spill-in-the-works-desmond-lee

24/6/24, 6:01 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

24/6/24, 6:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think reaching this stage in just 2 weeks of :-

1. Stop oil spill 

2. Contain spill spread 

3. Cleaning up major pollution in the sea and the coastal lines

are a commendable effort.

Good jobs!

Next phase is more delicate and precise cleaning to ensure:-

1. Oil go deep in sands are removed.

2. Water quality are ensure to allow water activities to take place.

3. Desalination water is safe to drink.

4. Oil embedded in crevices, bunds, nooks are thoroughly clean up.

5. Sea activities business can resume operations as normal eg. Yatching, canoeing, swimming, beach sun surfing, beach netball, football, beach barbeque etc can be carried out as normal.

So compare to oil spill overseas, Singapore cleaning and restoration efforts are more surgical, thorough and well organised.

Good jobs !!!

24/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

6. And lastly, fish catch is safe to eat.

24/6/24, 6:43 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Swift & Effective? It's not easy! Minimising oil spills is a complex issue that requires a multifaceted approach, involving various stakeholders and factors. A combination of good ship maintenance and management, crew knowledge and training, responsibilities of ship owners, effective communication and coordination between Port Authority and ships, and timely and adequate response measures is crucial. Any weakness in one area can lead to an increased risk of oil spills. Collective effort and vigilance are essential in preventing oil spills and protecting our environment.

24/6/24, 6:50 pm - +REACH: Dear contributors, 

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24/6/24, 6:55 pm - +Andy: I'm no expert in this but from what I read, credits go to everyone that plays whether small or big part in cleaning up the mess. Important is that if such incidents or other types of accidents happen, can we respond faster and better. Accidents will happen, as a nation how we rise to the occasion and prove to the world a red dot can and will handle it effectively and best possible way.

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REACH 580 - What are your thoughts on the report by MOM? What else can we do to ensure Singaporeans are well supported and able to attain their desired jobs?

(SK)

21 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)

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21/6/24, 10:02 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

On Jun 20 (Thursday), the Ministry of Manpower’s (MOM) report of finalised labour market data for Q1 2024 revealed that the number of job vacancies increased despite the rise in unemployment numbers in Singapore. MOM noted that the labour market remains tight given the higher number of vacancies than job seekers. 

💬 *What are your thoughts on the report by MOM? What else can we do to ensure Singaporeans are well supported and able to attain their desired jobs?*

According to the report, 81,900 vacancies were recorded in March 2024, up from 79,800 in December 2023. 

While employment growth slowed compared to the previous quarter, MOM said that all the employment growth came from Singaporeans and PRs, as the number of employed foreigners fell by 800. MOM also noted that the number of S Pass holders saw negative growth in the first quarter of 2024, following the 2023 increase in S Pass qualifying salaries and levies.

Although the number of job vacancies rose, the ratio of job vacancies to unemployed people declined from 1.74 in December 2023 to 1.56 in March 2024, owing to a slight increase in the number of unemployed people, MOM said.

Retrenchments also saw a decline, from 3,460 in Q4 2023 to 3,030 in Q1 2024.

With regards to unemployment, the overall employment rate stands at 2.1, with resident unemployment rate at 3% and that for Singaporeans at 3.1%. MOM clarified that the rate remained within the range observed during non-recessionary periods.

The resident long-term unemployment rate increased slightly from 0.7 per cent in December 2023 to 0.8 per cent in March 2024, though MOM said the figure remains low.

The increase in the resident long-term unemployment rate was driven by those aged below 30, and those above 60.

“For residents aged below 30, the increase in long-term unemployment rate could be due to individuals holding out for a better job or taking time to explore different career options post-graduation,” MOM said.

“For residents aged 60 and over, the long-term unemployment rate remained comparable to pre-pandemic levels of 0.8 per cent.”

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21/6/24, 10:50 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

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💬 *What are your thoughts on the report by MOM? What else can we do to ensure Singaporeans are well supported and able to attain their desired jobs?*

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21/6/24, 10:57 am - +Rama: Citizens must be employed,  promoted based on their calibre, performance but not on the colour of their skin. Irregardless of the physical stature.

21/6/24, 11:14 am - +Frankie Wee: Everything is Ai career job 

Need to take upskill future. 

Old position will disposal

21/6/24, 11:24 am - +KL: “For residents aged below 30, the increase in long-term unemployment rate *could be*  due to individuals holding out for a better job or taking time to explore different career options post-graduation,” MOM said.

  any proof on this statement ?  U think I thought who confirm ? Drawing a high salary shouldnt make any assumption statement <This message was edited>

21/6/24, 11:35 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Investment FDI in 2024 has dropped by $10 billion from $37.7 billion in 2023 to $27.7 billion in 2024.

Will this be translated to lesser jobs created?

But as far as I know, my private circles - doesn't face job issues.

21/6/24, 11:35 am - +Venkat Subramaniam: “Q1’24 job vacancies are increased from no. of unemployment”, not sure of the jobs in this stats are skewed into diff skillset from what job seekers skill set. In reality, emp market is very silent for the consecutive quarters for tech sectors at least that I knew. Am hearing from local UG students from tech Uni, very few are secured internships for upcoming Aug-Dec period, they are longing to get any role to fulfill their academic mandates

21/6/24, 12:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Big tech sector is quite a hit - as global big tech such as Google, Meta, salesforce, Microsoft,  etc start cutting jobs worldwide - big tech is not creating alot of tech jobs.

21/6/24, 12:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Likewise China big tech also face similar issues.

Alibaba, Tencent, Lazada, Shoppe also do similar job cuts after COVID.

Seems like there are overdrive employment during covid as people WFH.

But post pandemic - people going back to office, job cut back as IT remote gadgets and apps less in demand.

Also the current global higher interest rate environment dampen business in borrowing and loan for investment.

Hence job creation worldwide is not so vibrant.

21/6/24, 12:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

21/6/24, 12:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

21/6/24, 12:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

2021, 2022 - FDI is > $100 billion investment. 

(Covid time, flush with cash due to quantitative easing, lot of cash for foreign investors to invest).

2023, 2024 - FDI drop to $37 to $27 billion - 5 times drop (due to quantitative tightening, higher interest rate, higher borrowing costs, FDI drop, less cash available, job creation lower). <This message was edited>

21/6/24, 12:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also our cost structure are higher in the region:-

1. High housing costs 

2. High transport cost - cars and lorries 

3. Higher food prices 

4. Higher salaries 

Hence, we need to be competitive - whereby higher productivity to mitigate higher costs will be necessary to attract more FDI and foreign investors to create jobs in Singapore.

21/6/24, 12:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And moving up our value chain, R&D, competent in AI etc - will be necessary for our workforce - in order for our workers to be productive.

So that our regional competitors, overseas remote workforce - will not eat our lunch.

We have skillsets that keep investors rooted in Singapore and able to attract value added investors into our shores and create jobs for our workers.

21/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Leonard Lim: The recently launched Skillsfuture Level-Up programme giving out $4000 in SkillsFuture Credits was a good move for our workers to upskill and reskill themselves and is also a boost for our economy in the long run.

21/6/24, 1:09 pm - +Andy: At uncertain times now, one should not be choosy over job offers. Take my son in-law and nephew as an example both choosy. Son in-law graduated from SIT, applied for jobs from MNC only and waited for a few months to land a job which he works for till now. My nephew graduated from SMU business and wanted to be in an investment house but couldn't get one for a few months then end up as a headhunter till his client found him very suitable for investment and referred him to the company he works for now.

For both of them, parents can sustain them so they can afford to be choosy.

For older workers, when we want to change jobs be prepared to face stiff competition from young people and don't expect experience alone to get a job.

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21/6/24, 1:52 pm - +Frankie Wee: Learn lesson from previous experience cost of living which country is in Japan and Hong Kong 

Here Singapore should not be but keep competitive.

21/6/24, 1:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: In future will be uncertainty economy crisis if lose job market

21/6/24, 1:55 pm - +~BP: From news… job vacancies went up in tandem with unemployment.  

There could be a few reasons:

1. Skill sets / mindset mismatched 

2. ⁠job type created are targeted eg forcing under-employment scenarios. 

3. ⁠re scoping of the original job for lower salary but fire the incumbent with higher salary.  Eg replaced $10k salary with 2x3000 salary job. 

Each of above can be tested with statistics

21/6/24, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Company to run productive businesses and keep on low profit and high sell

21/6/24, 2:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: If Ai is automatically there will less human worker and upskill are necessary new jobs

21/6/24, 2:01 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

21/6/24, 2:11 pm - +~N: I’m curious about the reasons or contributing factors for this finding in the report: “The increase in long-term unemployment rate was observed among those aged below 30 (from 1.0% to 1.2%) and 60 and over (from 0.7% and 0.9%).”

21/6/24, 2:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Strange that job vacancies on the rise, but unemployment also go up.

Means :-

1. There must be a mechanism to match jobseekers to vacant jobs.

2. Skillsets and interest must match vacant jobs.

3. Salary expectations must match job openings.

If all the above conditions meet, then unemployment figures can be brought down. <This message was edited>

21/6/24, 2:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Age 30 and below could be choosy in job hunts.

2. Age 60 and above, employers don't want - age discrimination.

21/6/24, 2:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yet another unemployed grad wonders how to explain long employment gap in resumè.

https://theindependent.sg/yet-another-unemployed-grad-wonders-how-to-explain-long-employment-gap-in-resume/

21/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

For those graduates unemployed but eagerly looking for jobs - wonder if there are agencies able to step in to help.

Eg.

1. Help in job matching with companies looking for jobseekers.

2. Help in arranging job fair and participating companies.

3. Help to provide training to graduate jobseekers to ensure skill gaps are plugged to help them land a job with companies looking for the relevant skillsets.

4. Rope in companies to offer internships to undergraduates and graduates - in view of converting internships to permanent jobs.

21/6/24, 2:33 pm - +~l or Smiley face: <Media omitted>

21/6/24, 2:34 pm - +~l or Smiley face: <Media omitted>

21/6/24, 3:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"AI is not the bogeyman, use it to solve everyday problems.

Quit worrying about artificial intelligence taking your job, instead learn how to use it so others who understand the technology won't replace you, says our guest."

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/podcasts/artificial-intelligence-ai-jobs-careers-training-agoda-work-it-4404141#:~:text=AI%20is%20not,says%20our%20guest.

21/6/24, 4:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

21/6/24, 4:05 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The Ways! The gig job of the future is a bamboo tree, flexible and resilient, adapting to the winds of change, yet rooted in skills and experience, constantly growing and branching out into new opportunities (水滴石穿). Like water, individuals adapt and evolve, shaping their careers and skills with persistence and harmony, amidst the ever changing landscape of work. 道")

-- anonymity 

Singapore's economy is transforming, driven by three key trends: 1) surging gig economy, 2) essential skills training, and 3) critical sustainability. As these trends converge, Singapore will become a global hub for innovative, sustainable work practices, attracting top talent and driving growth. To capitalise on this and prioritise human aspects, Singapore must invest in skills training, social protection, and sustainable infrastructure, creating a future ready workforce that is adaptable, innovative, and sustainable.

Our workforce is undergoing a significant transformation driven by technological advancements, shifting demographics, and evolving employee expectations. The Ministry of Manpower's recent report highlights both opportunities and challenges in this transformation.

21/6/24, 4:44 pm - +KL: Employment growth came from Singaporeans and PRs , got ratio ?

21/6/24, 4:45 pm - +KL: Cos u never say and i draw peanuts so my  assumption is  1:10 <This message was edited>

21/6/24, 4:45 pm - +Rama: Against SP/EP/WP!?

21/6/24, 4:47 pm - +Frankie Wee: So many Malaysia here they need earning living support

21/6/24, 4:49 pm - +KL: So Microsoft and many firms are moving into Malaysia , so will these ppl stay in SG or return to Malaysia ?   so can i conclude  they enjoying best of both world for past 2 decade  ?

21/6/24, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia labour cheaper but inflation level is higher

21/6/24, 4:53 pm - +KL: https://gfmag.com/data/economic-data/worlds-highest-lowest-inflation-rates/

21/6/24, 4:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/malaysias-economy-grows-42-yy-q1-beats-forecast-2024-05-17/

21/6/24, 4:55 pm - +KL: <Media omitted>

21/6/24, 4:56 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

21/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: China is most trade in Asia

21/6/24, 4:57 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The countries by their importance to the US and China, based on various factors such as trade volume, investment, geopolitical significance, and supply chain relevance:

*Top 10 Countries Important to Both US and China:*

1. Mexico (US: 1st largest trading partner, China: 2nd largest trading partner)

2. Vietnam (US: 12th largest trading partner, China: 1st largest trading partner in ASEAN)

4. Thailand (US: 14th largest trading partner, China: 3rd largest trading partner in ASEAN)

5. Indonesia (US: 16th largest trading partner, China: 2nd largest trading partner in ASEAN)

6. Malaysia (US: 18th largest trading partner, China: 4th largest trading partner in ASEAN)

7. Philippines (US: 20th largest trading partner, China: 5th largest trading partner in ASEAN)

8. Poland (US: 25th largest trading partner, China: 1st largest trading partner in CEE)

9. India (US: 9th largest trading partner, China: 2nd largest trading partner in South Asia)

10. Taiwan (US: 11th largest trading partner, China: 1st largest trading partner in East Asia)

11. Singapore (US: 13th largest trading partner, China: 3rd largest trading partner in East Asia)

21/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: China is 2nd world economy

21/6/24, 4:58 pm - +~l or Smiley face: *Next 10 Countries Important to Either US or China:*

1. Costa Rica (US: 33rd largest trading partner)

2. Slovakia (China: 2nd largest trading partner in CEE)

3. Hungary (China: 3rd largest trading partner in CEE)

4. Romania (China: 4th largest trading partner in CEE)

5. Brazil (US: 15th largest trading partner)

6. Colombia (US: 21st largest trading partner)

7. South Africa (US: 28th largest trading partner)

8. Turkey (US: 29th largest trading partner)

9. Chile (US: 30th largest trading partner)

10. Ukraine (China: 5th largest trading partner in CEE)

21/6/24, 5:04 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The global supply chain reset is orchestrating a manufacturing renaissance, catapulting emerging hubs like Mexico, Vietnam, and Thailand into the spotlight. Billions in investments are pouring in, redefining the trade landscape and cementing their status as beacons of resilience and innovation. This tectonic shift is driven by a quest for adaptability, diversification, and sustainability, as companies navigate a world where geopolitical risks and opportunities converge. As the reset reaches its crescendo, it will hopefully give rise to a more harmonised and prosperous world, where global commerce, economic development, and political alliances thrive in perfect symphony"

-- anonymity

21/6/24, 5:04 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Individuals must develop skills that are relevant to the new era of global supply chains, such as data analytics, digital literacy, and sustainability expertise.

The global supply chain reset is a transformative trend that requires adaptability, innovation, and collaboration. By understanding its implications and opportunities, we can build a more resilient, sustainable, and prosperous future for all.

The global supply chain reset is a significant opportunity for companies, governments, and individuals to adapt, innovate, and thrive in a rapidly changing world. By understanding its implications and opportunities, we can position ourselves for success in the years to come.

21/6/24, 5:07 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "China and the US, the world's two largest economies, are linked through trade, investment, and technology. Their complex dynamic raises questions about global governance, economic development, and geopolitical stability. As Chinese Premier Deng Xiaoping said, "Seek truth from facts." Similarly, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger noted, "Diplomacy is the art of restraining power." Their actions will shape the global community's destiny."

-- anonymity

The China-US dynamic is a non-zero-sum phenomenon, exemplifying the concept of mutual benefit and interdependence. The ongoing competition between the two nations has highlighted the need for cooperation, critical thinking, and thorough analysis, as the outcome will likely be a mix of both mutual benefits and losses. This dynamic reflects the principles of game theory, where cooperative strategies can lead to better outcomes for both parties.

21/6/24, 5:10 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The artificial intelligence (AI) revolution is transforming industries and economies worldwide. As Asia's leading innovation hubs, Singapore and Taiwan are poised to capitalise on this trend. This report examines the potential for a strategic alliance in AI development between Singapore and Taiwan, leveraging their complementary strengths and expertise. By pooling their resources and knowledge, these two nations can drive innovation, foster economic growth, and enhance their global competitiveness in the AI landscape."

-- anonymity 

The AI revolution is reshaping the global economy, and Asia is at the forefront of this transformation. Singapore and Taiwan, renowned for their innovation ecosystems, are well-positioned to harness the potential of AI. However, the AI landscape is highly competitive, and individual efforts may not be sufficient to achieve significant impact. A collaborative approach, leveraging the strengths of both nations, can unlock new opportunities for growth, innovation, and prosperity.

The Duo?

The AI revolution is driven by advancements in data science, machine learning, and computing power. AI applications are transforming industries, improving efficiency, and creating new business models. Asia's economic growth and competitiveness are increasingly tied to AI adoption and innovation.

Singapore and Taiwan share similar strengths and challenges in AI development:

_Strong research foundations_

_Highly skilled talent pools_

_Pro-business environments_

_Strategic locations in the Asia-Pacific region

However, they also face common challenges:

_Intense global competition_

_Talent attraction and retention_

_Data privacy and security concerns_

_Regulatory frameworks still evolving_

A strategic alliance can help address these challenges, leveraging their complementary strengths and expertise.

21/6/24, 5:14 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The global chip industry is a intricate web of technological, economic, and social dynamics, perpetuating a complex interplay of innovation, growth, and sustainability. To reconcile the inherent tensions and contradictions, a metamorphic transformation is imperative, leveraging avant-garde technologies like blockchain-secured supply chains, circular economy principles that catalyse regenerative design, and quantum computing-powered simulations that optimise sustainability and human impact. By embracing this radical evolution, the industry can recalibrate its purpose, foster a more inclusive and resilient ecosystem, and contribute to a future that is more equitable, sustainable, and harmonious for all."

-- anonymity

The Chip Landscapes:

In the heart of the digital revolution, the global chip industry stands as a linchpin, fueling technological advancements and economic growth. Yet, beneath the surface of this high-tech landscape lies a complex web of challenges, risks, and downsides. As the world becomes increasingly reliant on digital technologies, the demand for chips surges, driven by emerging trends and technologies of IoT, AI, and 5G technologies. Major nations are investing heavily in chip production, research, and development, with the US, China, EU, Taiwan, India, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, and Malaysia making significant commitments, government initiatives, and growing applications. The industry's growth is also driven by investments in research and development, which leads to innovations in chip technology. However, this rapid growth also raises critical questions about the industry's sustainability, environmental impact, and ethical implications. As we delves into the global perspectives on chip economics, investments, innovations, and implications, providing a thorough analysis of the industry's growth drivers, challenges, and future directions.

Emerging Trends and Technologies:

The adoption of 5G technology is driving the demand for chips with high-speed processing and low-latency capabilities. Artificial intelligence (AI) is another area where chips are being designed with advanced AI processing capabilities. The growing Internet of Things (IoT) market requires chips with low-power consumption and high-connectivity capabilities.

21/6/24, 6:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

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Goodnight!

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21/6/24, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 579 - What are your thoughts on the oil spill incident in Singapore? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?

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18 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)

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18/6/24, 11:07 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

Following a major oil spill incident on 14 June, where oil leaking from a damaged cargo tank at Pasir Panjang Terminal had spread to Singapore’s East Coast, Labrador Park, Keppel Bay, Sentosa and Southern Islands, authorities here are expanding cleanup efforts to more areas. 

*💬 What are your thoughts on the oil spill incident in Singapore? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?*

📌 *Expanding cleanup efforts*

In a joint statement, the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore, National Environment Agency (NEA), National Parks Board (NParks), national water agency PUB, Sentosa Development Corporation and Singapore Food Authority (SFA) stated that as at 17 June, booms have been deployed to contain the oil spill, with an additional 1600m to be deployed at several beaches on Sentosa Island and Labrador Nature Reserve by 18 June, as well as at Southern Islands. 

Booms have also been deployed at badly affected areas along stretches of East Coast Park beaches and at canal openings, to trap oil and prevent it from flowing back into the canal. They will also be placed off Changi East as a preventive measure. 

Oil absorbent booms have also been preemptively deployed off biodiversity-sensitive areas at Chek Jawa Wetlands at Pulau Ubin, Coney Island Park and Pasir Ris Park. Fish farms at the East Johor Strait, Chek Jawa Wetlands and Changi Creek will also be deployed with additional containment and absorbent booms over the next few days. 

West Coast Park, while not affected, will also be deployed with oil absorbent booms to protect the mangroves at the Marsh Garden. 

📌  *Monitoring and Volunteering efforts*

NEA has been conducting daily tests since 15 June, and found the air quality at affected areas around Sentosa, East Coast Park and Labrador Nature Reserve to be well within “safe levels” so far.

NParks said it has received overwhelming response from members of the public who volunteered their help, but for their safety, volunteers will not be deployed for shoreline cleanup. 

In a Facebook post on 17 June, Minister for National Development Desmond Lee reminded the public to stay away from beachfronts, as the cleanup operations should be carried out by professionals. The MP for West Coast GRC also thanked volunteers who helped with patrols at East Coast Park and West Coast Park, as well as those who helped with surveys at Southern Islands over the weekend. 

📌 *Singapore’s water supply not affected and local fish are safe to eat*

PUB and SFA have said that the oil spill incident has not affected water supply here and local fish farms located in the Johor Strait. 

PUB said that no oil has been detected near the seawater intake at Jurong Island Desalination Plant, which is closest to the oil spill location on the south coast of Singapore Island. Meanwhile, the Marina East Desalination Plant, located further along the coast, has a dual-mode capability to treat either seawater or reservoir water. The other three desalination plants, namely SingSpring, Tuas South and Tuas, are at the western end of Singapore, away from the spill. 

In a Facebook post on 17 June, SFA said that no local fish farms are affected by the oil spill, and local fish remain safe for consumption. But as preventive measures, additional booms will be deployed over the next few days to protect the fish farms located at East Johor Strait. SFA is also in close contact with the farms and will monitor the situation closely. 

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/oil-spill-incident-singapore-expands-clean-up-effort-to-more-areas-including-eastern-end-of-island

👉  https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/clean-up-operation-underway-in-sentosa-after-oil-washes-up-coast-of-tanjong-beach 

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/oil-spill-incident-singapore-fish-farms-in-johor-strait-not-affected-local-fish-safe-to-eat-says-sfa

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18/6/24, 11:50 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* from you! 

*💬 What are your thoughts on the oil spill incident in Singapore? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?*

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

18/6/24, 11:53 am - +Caleb: thought we moving to telegram?

18/6/24, 12:00 pm - +Rama: Likewise

18/6/24, 1:07 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* from you! 

*💬 What are your thoughts on the oil spill incident in Singapore? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?*

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

18/6/24, 1:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sighs… how to avoid the spilling oil when ship was collapsing in future.

History has been repeating in Singapore

18/6/24, 1:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=355427db-e45f-4779-90b6-db563455659d

18/6/24, 2:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Singapore is a World major trade port and transhipment hub - whereby big containers carrying goods will be service by our ports and ship to other major ports.

2. Hence, effective and efficient managing of ships and containers berthing, transiting to our ports become extremely important as many ships congregate around Singapore ports.

3. The dredger that bump into a berth cargo ship - is due to faulty equipment that cause the dredger to lose control and hit the ship and trigger an oil leak.

4. But the oil spill have an ecological impact as waves will bring the oil spill around our coastline.

5. Hence mitigation measures and coastline protection must always be ready for deployment that moment such accident occur.

6. Else ecological damages to us can have very far implications :-

a. Damage our seawater - that we use for desalination for our water drinking need, business needs, industrial needs and our household needs.

b. Fish farm - whereby we rear fish or hunt for fish for our food.

c. Our coastal housing - eg. Condos, Sentosa Cove, HDB flats facing the sea - will have impacted to people's health

d. Our mangrove swamp to protect our coastline and rising seawater, our beach.

e. Our tourism business in beach, sea activities eg. East coast - surfing, canoeing, yatching, swimming, beach barbeque, sea sports etc.

All these have economical impact to our food sources, water sources and tourism.

18/6/24, 2:14 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. But looking at the various measures undertaken, it look like the ecological impact is well contained.

2. Booms that suck oil have been deployed and can see that workers are actively clearing oil polluted beach and sands.

3. Damaged ship no longer spill oil.

4. Volunteers are deploy to warn beachgoers from approaching polluted beaches.

5. Fish farms at the north along Johor Straits are not affected.

6. Desalination plant at the east is dual function - and will treat reservoir water instead of seawater. Desalination plants at the west are not affected.

7. Only beach business, Sentosa, Labrador park are affected and many beach business, sea activities have been stopped. The impact tourism business are badly affected.

8. Hence imperative to get the dredger owners to make compensation to the our cleaning cost, business cost through their insurers to recover our lost - to prevent our tourism business from going bust.

18/6/24, 2:19 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Thanks Megan. Not entirely familiar with the industry nor the technicalities, but as a commoner as long as there is no impact to our livelihood, then I guess the efforts to contain this specific oil spill is sufficient.

However, the methods of containing seem 1G, by deploying booms. Again, not familiar, but I think SG should explore investing into better tech and control such incidents in a more efficient and effective manner. E.g. are there fast-freeze chemicals that can be applied by drones so cause the layer of oil to harden, to ease the removal and prevent it from seeping through the booms. Are there faster methods to stop the oil spill once vessels report damage? E.g. deploying a "vacuum cleaner" to take in the spilling oil.

Sorry, examples are not the best but idea is to start investing in tech to better manage such incidents before they reach our shores.

18/6/24, 2:26 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Latest Technologies and Tools:

- Boom Technology

- Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs)

- Drones

- Satellite Imaging

- Mechanical Recovery

- Chemical Dispersants

- Bioremediation

- Sorbent Materials

- Shoreline Cleaning Agents

- Natural Fibre Sorbents

- Advanced Oxidation Processes

- Robotics

18/6/24, 2:27 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "As the world's second busiest port, Singapore's maritime industry is the lifeline of global trade and commerce, with over 130,000 vessel calls annually. Yet, this colossal volume of traffic also presents a significant challenge: preventing oil spills that could devastate the marine ecosystem and threaten the very foundation of our industry. It is a big responsibility that requires the collective effort and unwavering commitment of all stakeholders, from shipowners and vessel operators to regulatory authorities and the broader maritime community. By aligning our efforts and resources in a concerted push for safety and sustainability, we can implement stringent measures, leverage best practices, harness innovative technologies, and foster a culture of environmental stewardship, ensuring a sustainable future for generations to come and cementing Singapore's reputation as a world leader in responsible and sustainable maritime practices."

-- anonymity

18/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Now it come to the point that, oil as energy source for cargo ships, containers etc - is a major environmental polluant.

Thinking aloud, oil spill due to accidents, capsizing etc -- have trigger many major ecological disaster in many countries.

2. Our airlines have explored green SAF - biofuel to replace air plane fuel.

3. Some major car manufacturers are exploring other green energy sources such as EV, and even hydrogen gas, nuclear fusion to power cars --- that will not pollute the environment.

4. Wonder if ships and containers can use cleaner energy sources like hydrogen gas, nuclear fusion, LNG etc - that will not trigger oil spill in accidents?

5. Maybe the whole maritime industry can explore such possibilites --- so that in future such major oil spill will not happen if greener energy are used.

18/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

To close the loops fully.

Someone mention social engineering in the last topic URL gov.sg  :-

- unable to have a proper discussion due to lack of time before closure. This could convey half correct information.

Someone mention :-

1. Using URL obfuscation eg. gov,sg (a wrong DNS syntax) access a scammer Web page.

Yes, he is correct (by using social engineering) to trick non-techy people to click on it - thinking it is an official URL. Non-techy people may fall for it.

But techy people will not easily be trick because gov","sg - comma is not a correct URL address or DNS name ---- which is highly likely to be a scam link.

Technically, gov,sg syntax is wrong and cannot be register with a DNS server to resolve a public IP address - and hence cannot access a Web site.

2. But if map to a properly registered DNS name eg. scammer.sg (assume this is register with a DNS server and a corresponding valid public IP address) eg.

gov,sg (URL obfuscation) ---> scammer.sg (DNS name in DNS server) ---> 165.9.10.1/24 (public IP address).

3. Then gov,sg can be pull through to scam victim - because it can access the scammer.sg website - as DNS server has a valid registered record (as scammer.sg is a valid syntax and it is registered with the DNS server).

4. But mitigation measures can be done to prevent scam coming from the various URL masking techniques such as :

a. Telcos, SMS aggregators can filter URL obfuscation with wrong syntax and unregistered DNS name SMSes from reaching client HPs. 

b. Correspond all the various masking URL techniques to the real URL address (ie. DNS record) register with DNS servers - verify if valid - before routing the SMSes to the client HPs by the Service Providers.

5. This will prevent scammers from using URL masking tricks to scam victims.

18/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Common techniques to prevent URL masking (Meta Llama 3) -

Several security devices and techniques can filter  detected URL masking:

1. Web Application Firewalls (WAFs): WAFs can detect and block suspicious URLs, including those with obfuscated or masked URLs.

2. Intrusion Detection Systems (IDS) and Intrusion Prevention Systems (IPS): IDS/IPS can identify and alert on potentially malicious URLs, including those using URL masking techniques.

3. URL Filters: Some security software and appliances have built-in URL filters that can block access to suspicious or malicious URLs, including those with masked or obfuscated URLs.

4. Sandboxing: Sandboxing techniques can analyze URLs in a virtual environment to detect potential threats, including those using URL masking.

5. Advanced Threat Protection (ATP) solutions: ATP solutions can detect and block advanced threats, including those using URL masking techniques.

6. DNS Filters: Some DNS filters can block access to malicious domains, including those using URL masking techniques.

7. Browser Extensions: Some browser extensions, such as uBlock Origin, can also filter out malicious URLs, including those with masked or obfuscated URLs.

These security devices and techniques can help detect and prevent URL masking attacks, but it's important to stay vigilant and keep security software up-to-date to stay ahead of evolving threats.

18/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Many companies (especially government) and Telcos, ISPs that worth the salt usually put in place most if not all the above mitigation measures.

Most IT solution architect or IT system designers will factor in these into the IT architecture design.

Hence mask URLs normally won't get passed.

Only real DNS name will get passed.

Failing which, if any problems affecting the network, it will be extremely difficult to troubleshoot - because URL masking will baffle any network troubleshooting - due to difficulties tracing and mapping mask URLs with DNS domain names in DNS servers.

Hence my emphasis is always on 2 points:-

1. URL link must always be a register DNS name with record in the DNS servers that can be searched from nslookup.

2. URL link must always conform to the right domain name with recognisable syntax and format.

Because all URL masking that doesn't conform to the 2 criteria have been filtered off by URL filtering countermeasures before reaching the client devices.

I have not seen or rarely see URL masking during my IT implementation - or 

I could be 山龟 mountain turtle。

18/6/24, 2:31 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: i think that the response time of the team that deploy oil barriers etc should be much faster and better coordinated.  the moment ship collision reported, they could have been on scene within 3 hours.  Had that been the case, the oil would have been contained much faster and would not have spread so far.  Right now, it seems to me that they get reports from different parts of the island and they only put oil barriers at where it was reported; very reactive. <This message was edited>

18/6/24, 2:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Elon Musk won’t make any more Tesla electrics: the new ‘stupid’ fuel he’s going to try out" - hydrogen gas.

https://www.ecoticias.com/en/elon-musk-hydrogen-tesla-electrics/3045/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk%20won%E2%80%99t%20make%20any%20more%20Tesla%20electrics%3A%20the%20new%20%E2%80%98stupid%E2%80%99%20fuel%20he%E2%80%99s%20going%20to%20try%20out

18/6/24, 2:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.ecoticias.com/en/thorium-engine-no-hydrogen-no-ammonia/2177/

No hydrogen, no ammonia, no EVs: this engine is 20 million times better with no recharge - With a thorium-supplied engine, very little thorium will be subjected to lasers or instances where the particles are in motion to produce fusions.

Nuclear fusion.

18/6/24, 2:33 pm - +Caleb: +1

18/6/24, 2:37 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "Let the government handle all the oil spills! Sure can settled !" Perhaps that's the mindsets of people in Singapore?

18/6/24, 2:41 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The prevention of oil spills in the Port of Singapore is a critical issue that requires the collective effort of all stakeholders. While our Maritime Port Authority has implemented various measures to prevent oil spills, the ultimate responsibility lies with ship tankers owners and all vessels owners to ensure their vessels are operated safely and in compliance with relevant regulations.

18/6/24, 2:58 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Just A Scenario?

A catastrophic event like an oil or chemical spill in our port vicinity would be the greatest challenge of our century for one of the world's foremost ports! It would necessitate an unprecedented response effort, mobilising all resources and expertise to mitigate the damage and restore operations.

The world would watch with bated breath as the port authority, government agencies, and stakeholders respond to the crisis. It would be a true test of the port's resilience, emergency preparedness, and commitment to safety and environmental stewardship.

The outcome would have far reaching implications, not only for Singapore's reputation as a premier maritime hub but also for global trade, economy, and environmental sustainability. 

Let's hope that such a scenario remains hypothetical, and our PSA continues to flourish as a shining example of excellence in maritime trade and safety!

18/6/24, 3:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "Never says Never....the uncertain world we are navigating today are full of sabotage and bad actors ready to enact unprecedented scale of purposeful crisis!"

18/6/24, 3:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore island is small sure can settle by govt. 

Clean up all the beaches and sea.

18/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Frankie Wee: After pick up whole oil put tank and sent to Jurong island for research maybe can reuse ♻️

18/6/24, 3:04 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Let's put this mini oil spills into one of our National Security measures.

18/6/24, 3:09 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Berthing delays in Singapore as liner congestion in South-east Asia ports hits historic high.

The Port of Singapore received 140 container vessels between May 20 and 23, S&P Global data shows".

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/berthing-delays-singapore-liner-congestion-south-east-asia-ports-hits-historic-high#:~:text=Berthing%20delays%20in,Global%20data%20shows

18/6/24, 3:10 pm - +Rama: Economic Defense

18/6/24, 3:13 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Here's another scenario:

The possibility of a commercial aircraft ditching into the Eastern anchorage areas of Singapore's waters is a serious scenario that demands careful consideration and preparedness. While unlikely, it's crucial to have emergency protocols in place and conduct regular simulations and exercises to ensure readiness.

Rest assured, our Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) and the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) have established procedures for aircraft ditching in Singapore waters, including the Eastern anchorage areas. These measures include emergency response plans, search and rescue operations, aircraft recovery procedures, and regular exercises and simulations to test readiness and response effectiveness.

With robust plans and regular drills in place, Singapore is well-equipped to respond swiftly and effectively in the unlikely event of a commercial aircraft ditching into its waters, ensuring the safety of all involved and minimising potential environmental impact. The keys are swiftness and effectiveness!

18/6/24, 3:37 pm - +GLCM: To have oil spill affect east coast of Singapore and other beaches when the incident was at pasir panjang terminal. 

Definitely have to learn more from the root cause of such widespread impact so as to minimise the damage in future (hopefully oil spill doesn't happen again)

18/6/24, 4:01 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

18/6/24, 5:05 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* from you! 

*💬 What are your thoughts on the oil spill incident in Singapore? Are you sufficiently assured of the efforts to contain the oil spill and address the effects of the oil spill?*

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

18/6/24, 5:20 pm - +Caleb: Not assured. Is our gov slow and lack on responds

18/6/24, 5:20 pm - +Caleb: What if next time got a bigger oil spill. What is the gov responds

18/6/24, 6:17 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

18/6/24, 6:18 pm - +Kel Li: Is it because of the long weekend plus school holiday causing a delay to put float and boom because everyone in JB :)) <This message was edited>

18/6/24, 6:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Channel 8 Chinese news 6.30pm say.

MPA respond within 15 minutes.

Spray dispersant in the oil.

And start deploying boom around the leak container.

Also work with crew to identify leaking engine - turn it around to prevent further leakage.

Due to strong wave currents - even with deployment of boom, oil still go under or over the boom and disperse to our coastal line.

Despite the fast response - half the oil tanks has already spill out.

Liquid leak faster than anyone can stop it..... 15 minutes is alot of times for liquid to leak very fast ----- I thought... <This message was edited>

18/6/24, 6:42 pm - +Rama: Consistent with all language newspapers,  free to air channels?

18/6/24, 6:43 pm - +Kel Li: Hmm cause it happen on Friday so not sure on skeleton crew, secondly is double whammy ( long weekend and foreigner will return to Malaysia and sg ppl go JB ) . School holiday management go japan :)) 

Now u better control well  in case someone lights a fire. Not sure will catch fire or not . Now likely not cause already diluted . U think deeply really scary :)) <This message was edited>

18/6/24, 6:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Should be.

18/6/24, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

18/6/24, 6:46 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Logically, liquid in a leak tank can leak very fast.

I wouldn't doubt the physics.

15 minutes can easily leak a very large tank of liquid.

18/6/24, 6:50 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

18/6/24, 6:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Only change the fuel - from oil to say greener gas - such as hydrogen gas, LNG gas, nuclear fusion - then I feel oil spillage for ships will not happen.

All these are environmental friendly gas - and will be discharged harmlessly into the air. <This message was edited>

18/6/24, 6:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I am not surprised by Singapore fast response because Singapore has a global maritime command and control centre.

18/6/24, 6:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is task to control and manage global maritime traffic.

18/6/24, 6:59 pm - +Rama: Efficiency is our motto!

18/6/24, 6:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

So if say Singapore response is slow, I was quite sceptical.

18/6/24, 6:59 pm - +~l or Smiley face: <Media omitted>

18/6/24, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

18/6/24, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group

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佛有三身

(Buddha 3 Bodies)

15 Jun 2024

I;- 

毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。

释迦牟尼佛 - 化身佛。

功德圆满佛 - 报身佛。

佛有三身。

- Vairocana Buddha - Dharmakaya Buddha. (Origin of All Buddhas, All Enlightened Ones - that emerge from this Body).

- Sakyamuni Buddha - Nirmanakaya Buddha. (Amituofo, Medicine Budda, Aspirant Matrieya Buddha, Infinite Buddhas --- that come to Samsara to salvage 6 realms sentinent beings).

- Buddha of Perfect Merit - Sambhogakaya Buddha. (The respective Buddha Dharma teachings that have permeated every corners of the respective Universe)

Buddhas - 3 Bodies.

I:- 

All Buddhas emerge from 毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。

Nirvana 3 rings fruition.

I:- 

I think other religions call God - could be 毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。

Nirvana 3 rings fruition.

I:-

毗卢遮那佛 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYDmqDoo/

I:-

 

毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。

Nirvana 3 rings fruition.

I:-

I realise my attainment of Nirvana meet most of the criteria of 毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。

Nirvana 3 rings fruition.

It includes:-

1. Eternal bliss 

2. Cover the entire Universe 

3. Boundless 

4. No beginning, no end

5. 回归原点

6. All Enlightened Ones in One Place - One for All, All for One 

7. No birth, No death 

8. No sufferings, No karma.

9. 无我，无相，无起心动念 (no stray thoughts).

I:-

毗卢遮那佛 - 法身佛。(Which also correspond to "No-Self" in Nirvana).

释迦牟尼佛 - 化身佛。(Correspond to Compassion to salvage in Samsara)

功德圆满佛 - 报身佛。(Correspond to Panna Wisdom with Dharma Teachings documented in sutras)

佛有三身。

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I:-

I:-

REACH 578 - What are your views on the consolidation to a single sender ID for SMSes from government agencies? How can we continue to guard against scams? 

(SK)

14 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)

REACH

14/6/24, 9:45 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

Welcome back! 😊

⏰ We will be opening the chat from *10am to 7pm* today. ⏰

*House Rules (short version of our Terms of Use) to keep in mind:* 

1. Be kind and respectful. We all want to be in a safe space to share our views. 

2. Any and all threatening, abusive, vulgar or racially, religiously and ethnically objectionable content is prohibited.

3. Consider the quiet ones among us and give them a chance to comment.

4. No need to repeat your comment or in different forms (including caps) - we heard you loud and clear the first time.

5. Let’s protect each other’s privacy and keep contact details in this group what it should always be - confidential. 

*Full set of Terms of Use:* https://go.gov.sg/reach-whatsapp-terms

We will strive to uphold these rules to ensure this is a safe space for all.

Please be assured that the points made by participants during the chat are aggregated and shared with relevant agencies.

The topic will be posted shortly.

Thank you

Megan 😊

14/6/24, 10:01 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

From July 1, virtually all SMSes sent by government agencies in Singapore will have a single sender ID, as part of efforts to make it easier for the public to identify authentic government text messages.

Such SMSes will show “gov.sg” as the sender ID instead of individual government agencies, such as “MOH” for the Ministry of Health or “IRAS” for the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore.

💬 *What are your views on the consolidation to a single sender ID for SMSes from government agencies? How can we continue to guard against scams?* 

However, some exceptions will be made for SMSes on National Service (NS) matters and emergency services.

For example, messages on NS call-ups, training as well as mobilisation will be sent by the number "72255". Likewise, those who contact the police helpline will receive SMSes from "71000" for information on accessing the services they require.

📌 _*Public Trust in Government Communication*_

The consolidated gov.sg SMS sender ID is designed to give the public added confidence and peace of mind when it comes to identifying legitimate SMSes from government agencies, said Smart Nation Group Deputy Secretary Sim Feng-Ji.

The initiative is part of the Government’s commitment to stamp out malicious phishing attempts that undermine the public’s trust in government communication, he added.

📌 _*Safeguards for Sender ID*_

Mr Sim said the Smart Nation Group is working closely with SMS aggregators - platforms or services that help to send bulk messages - telecommunication service providers and their sub-brands to ensure that messages that are not from the government cannot use the gov.sg sender ID. 

Open Government Products (OGP) Assistant Director for Policy Hygin Fernandez said "if anyone were to try and register a sender ID that looks even remotely like gov.sg, there are multiple layers (of protection), including a manual one where somebody eyeballs it, that prevents that message from ever being reaching the public".

📌 _*Other Communication Platforms*_

The gov.sg sender ID currently applies to messages sent via SMS, but not other messaging platforms such as WhatsApp or Telegram.

“The Government is exploring ways to enhance assurance on other communication channels such as calls, e-mails, WhatsApp and Telegram,” said Mr Fernandez.

👉 https://str.sg/x2fZ

👉 https://cna.asia/4cjq69L

14/6/24, 10:02 am - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow all members to send messages to this group

14/6/24, 10:06 am - ~ REACH Singapore changed the group description

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14/6/24, 10:54 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the consolidation to a single sender ID for SMSes from government agencies? How can we continue to guard against scams?*

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

14/6/24, 11:03 am - +Caleb: it’s a fantastic initiative. on the sender ID

14/6/24, 11:03 am - +Caleb: BTW so this grp today is last day? when and how do we join to tele group

14/6/24, 11:10 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

📢 *[LAST DAY]* 📢

*Hello Contributors!*

REACH is *closing our WhatsApp Chat Group* and *moving discussions to Telegram* in *mid-June 2024* for better digital security, privacy, and enhanced chat functions.

*If you have not done so, please share your feedback and indicate if you are agreeable to migrate to Telegram in the form below by 31 May 2024*.

📌 https://go.gov.sg/reach-migration-form

If you prefer not to click the links, you may message REACH 9710 5061 to clarify your queries.

For those who are not able to join our Telegram Chat Group, you can still share your views with us here:

👉https://www.reach.gov.sg/about-us/contact-us/feedback-form

More information on the migration here:

👉https://www.reach.gov.sg/Read/telegram-faqs

✨  REACH sincerely thanks all our WhatsApp contributors for your valuable feedback and support over the years! We look forward to your continued support and hope to see you at our upcoming engagements! 🙌🏽

14/6/24, 11:10 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://go.gov.sg/reach-migration-form

14/6/24, 11:10 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Need to complete this migration form.

14/6/24, 11:15 am - +Leonard Lim: This form is not available.

14/6/24, 11:16 am - ☸️  Danny 心: Oh...

Could have been removed already.

14/6/24, 11:44 am - ☸️  Danny 心: Gov.sg is supposed to be the DNS service for IP resolution of URL to access web services.

And this DNS name are registered with the authoritative registry that manage the DNS records for domain name for internet web access.

If I am not wrong SGNIC should be the authoritative registry to register all Singapore domain name that end with .sg.

Sms on the other hand uses the voice network, whereas DNS service uses the data network (internet).

Both are somehow not related.

Since .sg is a unique identifier, I believe our government use it in SMS for voice network as well - to let public know that this is not a scam but an official SMS from the government.

14/6/24, 11:46 am - +Frankie Wee: Is trusted?

When if I receive SMSes from govt then I usually open app instead ink or url. I scared not safe

14/6/24, 11:48 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If come from .gov.sg - is usually safe because it is a unique identifier that other internet users cannot use it - because it is unique in the internet.

But I thought nowadays, SMS don't include a URL link for us to click to prevent scam?

14/6/24, 11:49 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If suspicious, then better not click on it.

14/6/24, 11:50 am - +SL: The link show error message?

14/6/24, 11:50 am - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 11:51 am - +SL: “This form is not available.

If you think this is a mistake, please contact the agency that gave you the form link.”

14/6/24, 11:51 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

As I am typing the message, I received a suspected scam message from WhatsApp.

I report to scamshield and block it.

14/6/24, 11:52 am - +Frankie Wee: Once click url CPF all gone because SingPass in smartphone was hacked through ID face recognition 😓

14/6/24, 11:52 am - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 11:52 am - +Frankie Wee: It’s called coding python maybe if i familiar it

14/6/24, 11:53 am - +Caleb: but nowadays got alot of scam calls from local mobile phone numbers

14/6/24, 11:53 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

REACH website still WhatsApp chatgroup.

No Telegram chat group yet.

14/6/24, 11:54 am - +Rama: Middle of this month I think

14/6/24, 11:55 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Just report to scamshield and block it.

The more the scamshield block, the more local SIM cards no longer usable.

Soon it will disappear from the market - as government tighten the scrutiny on local SIM card retailers.

14/6/24, 11:55 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

I think when ready, the REACH website will reflect the telegram chat group I believe.

14/6/24, 12:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

CPF can set withdrawal limit to 0.

Can prevent unauthorised withdrawal through online.

If need to withdraw, have to go personally to CPF to withdraw.

Then it is safer to safeguard our life savings.

14/6/24, 12:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also can set block overseas IP address in your CPF withdrawal online web page.

Overseas scammers cannot access from overseas with foreign IP address.

14/6/24, 12:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 12:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

My close friend comments:-

Under singpass app, can deny singpass login from overseas. 

Most scam operations are overseas, in case our singpass is breached, overseas operations can't login from overseas. 

When travelling can unlock it if we think we need singpass login.

Another level of protection. But if scam operations in sg, then no use.

14/6/24, 2:03 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

14/6/24, 2:07 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Good idea, now that the scammer will try to imitate .gov.sg. ID to make others mistake it and click ! or overlay the address and when they see it they click without checking the real URL <This message was edited>

14/6/24, 2:10 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Policy Recommendations:

1. Governments should establish a dedicated task force to oversee the implementation of secure short messaging protocols.

2. International cooperation and agreements should be established to standardise short messaging protocols globally.

3. Governments should invest in public awareness campaigns to educate citizens about the importance of securing short messaging protocols.

4. Incentives should be established to encourage innovation in security technologies for short messaging protocols.

5. Incident response teams should be established to quickly respond to security threats and minimize the impact of fraudulent activities.

In this final analysis, the security of short messaging protocols is not just a technical issue but a societal imperative. By working together, we can create a digital landscape that is safe, secure, and empowering for all.

The innovative SMS-gov.sg  protocols is vital for safeguarding government-citizen communication in the digital era. By leveraging advanced technologies, international cooperation, decentralised identity management, public awareness campaigns, incentives for innovation, and incident response teams, governments can create a secure and trustworthy digital landscape. As technology continues to evolve, it is essential that we prioritise security and privacy in our digital communications. The future of government-citizen interaction depends on it.

14/6/24, 2:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Scammers can try to register say:-

1. g0v.sg

2. gov.5g

Then trick people with scammer URL to scam people.

14/6/24, 2:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This domain name registered and is alive.

14/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: Something wrong word symbol

14/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: This message was deleted

14/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But no one can use gov.sg as it is registered by Singapore government.

14/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 2:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Use by scammers to scam people.

14/6/24, 2:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes clever

14/6/24, 2:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 2:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

DNS name need to be unique.

Need to register.

Need to buy and pay for it.

14/6/24, 2:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Just like car plate number.

Need to be unique.

And buy it.

Eg. SBC999A(checksum).

14/6/24, 3:28 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR MORE* from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the consolidation to a single sender ID for SMSes from government agencies? How can we continue to guard against scams?*

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

14/6/24, 3:37 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Social Impact and Potential Unintended Consequences:

Securing short messaging protocols can have a significant social impact and may also lead to some good consequences.

- Enhanced security and trust in government-citizen communication

- Reduced financial losses due to fraudulent activities

- Increased protection of citizens' personal information

- Improved incident response and minimisation of security threats

- Encouragement of innovation in security technologies

14/6/24, 4:01 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

14/6/24, 4:13 pm - +~l or Smiley face: These threats are less commonly but still important to consider in the context of SMS and Emergency Alert System security!

5G:

1. *5G SMS spoofing*: Spoofing SMS messages in 5G networks using new vulnerabilities.

2. *5G emergency alert system vulnerabilities*: Exploiting vulnerabilities in 5G emergency alert systems to disseminate false information or malware.

3. *5G SMS encryption cracking*: Cracking the encryption used in 5G SMS messages to intercept sensitive information.

4. *5G cell broadcast attacks*: Launching attacks on 5G cell broadcast messages to disseminate malware or false information.

5. *5G network slicing attacks*: Exploiting vulnerabilities in 5G network slicing to compromise SMS and emergency alert systems.

6. *5G IoT vulnerabilities*: Exploiting vulnerabilities in 5G IoT devices to compromise SMS and emergency alert systems.

7. *5G edge computing attacks*: Launching attacks on 5G edge computing systems to compromise SMS and emergency alert systems.

8. *5G quantum attacks*: Exploiting quantum computing vulnerabilities to compromise 5G SMS and emergency alert systems.

Non 5G:

1. SMS mesh network attacks

2. Emergency alert system resource exhaustion

3. SMS timing attacks

4. Cell broadcast spoofing

5. Emergency alert system data poisoning

6. SMS geo-location spoofing

7. SMS firmware attacks 

8. Emergency alert system social engineering 

Three models:

These three unknowns are crucial for advancing cryptographic techniques and ensuring long-term security in various applications, including secure communication protocols, digital currencies, and beyond.

1. *Quantum-Resistant Cryptographic Algorithms*: Developing cryptographic algorithms that can resist attacks by quantum computers, which could potentially break current public-key cryptography systems.

2. *Efficient Fully Homomorphic Encryption*: Creating a practical and efficient method for fully homomorphic encryption, which would enable computations on ciphertext (encrypted data) without decrypting it first.

3. *Provable Secure Key Exchange*: Finding a key exchange protocol that is provably secure, meaning it can be mathematically proven to be secure against all possible attacks, including quantum computers and side-channel attacks.

14/6/24, 4:22 pm - +~l or Smiley face: It would be great if SG could collaborate with MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory and 

Oxford University's Cyber Security Centre on these novel models.

14/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: the fact that they announce it, hahaha.. scammers will concentrate on abusing gov.sg

14/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: or gov,sg

14/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Jimmy Chew: this is a comma

14/6/24, 4:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is not a valid domain name.

DNS system don't accept a comma - as a syntax. <This message was edited>

14/6/24, 5:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nslookup reveals there are 4 DNS servers in Singapore run by SGNIC that resolve gov.sg.

gov.sg is a valid URL.

14/6/24, 5:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Conversely gov,sg is a non valid DNS name - hence nslookup no record.

14/6/24, 5:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Note:- SGNIC don't register g0v.sg - as a DNS name in its DNS servers.

But unfortunately, foreign DNS servers did register g0v.sg as a valid domain name.

Thus be very careful if you receive g0v.sg as the URL - because scammers could have register it to scam Singaporeans and residents.

14/6/24, 5:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 5:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Click too later, but senior can be blur overlook url

14/6/24, 5:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The problem is not those who are tech savvy.

Those non tech people can be easily trick.

14/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: How advise public make sure DNS incorrect URL

14/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: True

14/6/24, 5:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't know how to advise except to give examples like this.

14/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: Feedback here reach group 😓

14/6/24, 5:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: I told my mother do not use url instead app SingPass better

Because she is too old some get blur

14/6/24, 5:57 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

I think this is a better method.

But make sure the apps is not a malware.

14/6/24, 5:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: I think of how support Ai protector

14/6/24, 5:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: ?

14/6/24, 5:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: I guess Apple going to update latest version iOS 18 that can support Ai able to read DNA correctly <This message was edited>

14/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Ai can interpreted message on url

14/6/24, 6:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Top three countries that are advanced in quantum technology adoption and cybersecurity preparedness. Non ranked countries include China, Japan and Israel.

1) USA

2) Singapore (excellence)

3) EU

The top three threats.

1. Quantum attacks

2. Side-channel attacks

3. AI-powered attacks

Current:

These mathematical concepts and formulas form the foundation of modern cryptography, in used, which is essential for securing digital network infrastructure and protecting data transmission and communication. (relevant to SMS security)

1. Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems:

    - Model: Cryptographic system with recursive functions and oracle machines

    - Formula: ∃x (Px → ∃y (Py ∧ x≠y ∧ ¬∃z (Pz ∧ z<x) ∧ Ω(x, y, z))) ∧ ¬∃w (Pw ∧ w<x)

    - Significance: Ensures secure data transmission and encryption in digital network infrastructure

2. Euler's Identity:

    - Model: Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) with modular forms and Galois cohomology

    - Formula: e^(iπ) + 1 = 0 ∧ ∑_{n=1}^∞ (H_n / n!) = 0 ∧ H^1(G, E) = 0

    - Significance: Enables secure key exchange and encryption in digital network infrastructure

3. Riemann's Hypothesis:

    - Model: RSA Cryptographic Algorithm with L-functions and modular elliptic curves

    - Formula: ζ(s) = 2^s π^s Γ(s) = ∞ ∏ (1 - p^-s) ∧ L(s, χ) = ∑_{n=1}^∞ (χ(n) / n^s) ∧ E_τ(s) = ∑_{n=1}^∞ (τ(n) / n^s)

    - Significance: Ensures secure data encryption and authentication in digital network infrastructure

History:

1. Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems:

    - Developed by Kurt Gödel in 1931

    - Revolutionized logic, mathematics, and philosophy

    - Showed that any formal system powerful enough to describe basic arithmetic is either incomplete or inconsistent

2. Euler's Identity:

    - Named after Leonhard Euler (1707-1783)

    - Considered one of the most beautiful and important equations in mathematics

    - Relates five fundamental mathematical constants (0, 1, e, i, and π) in a single equation

3. Riemann's Hypothesis:

    - Proposed by Bernhard Riemann in 1859

    - Still unsolved, with a $1 million prize offered by the Clay Mathematics Institute

    - Deals with the distribution of prime numbers and has far-reaching implications for number theory and cryptography

            -- in progress --

14/6/24, 6:00 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't know about Apple features until they are launched.

14/6/24, 6:03 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

14/6/24, 6:18 pm - +Jimmy Chew: To identify legitimate government websites, look for the following:

1. Official domain: Government websites typically use the official country-level domain (e.g., .(link unavailable) for Singapore).

2. Secure connection: Legitimate government websites often use HTTPS (Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure) with a valid SSL certificate.

3. Official logo and branding: Government websites usually display the official logo and branding of the respective government agency.

4. Authentic content: Verify the content's accuracy and relevance to the government agency.

5. No suspicious requests: Legitimate government websites will not ask for personal information or direct you to unfamiliar pages.

6. Check for a valid physical address and contact information.

7. Be cautious of slight variations in the URL or domain name, which could indicate a fake website.

Remember, it's always best to access government websites directly, rather than through links or search results. If in doubt, contact the relevant government agency directly to verify the website's authenticity.

14/6/24, 6:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hahaha I got this from meta. Won't it be better to teach them this rather than all SMS and letters comes from gov.sg website? <This message was edited>

14/6/24, 6:21 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Hackers are not so dumb. Like my teacher always say if there's a will there's a way

14/6/24, 6:25 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am sure the intelligent elites can have a innovative idea. Not like what happened when I reported the dustbin at Chinatown station was not cleared and was untidy. Instead of clearing the dustbin often they went to remove it. Hahaha <This message was edited>

14/6/24, 6:26 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Not sure whether it's innovative or lazy 😜

14/6/24, 6:28 pm - +Jimmy Chew: One less dustbin to clear

14/6/24, 6:29 pm - +Rama: Not the sgd 400K dustbin!?

14/6/24, 6:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Innovative way not to get hacked is to build a national Intranet, intranet DNS servers (not expose to internet DNS servers) - then Singaporeans and residents getting scam by overseas scammers - no chance.

14/6/24, 6:30 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 6:31 pm - +Andy: I'm not sure if this is the right platform to ask.

How safe is paynow? I'm a taxi driver and sometimes passengers want to paynow me, so I'll give my mobile to them. For sure they got my mobile number, can they hack into my bank account?

And for QR code when we want to do payment, can some alter the code and when I scanned it'll hack into my bank account?

14/6/24, 6:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

URL all registered with SGNIC DNS servers - not resolving with internet DNS servers.

Sure won't get hacked.

14/6/24, 6:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If you don't want to share your HP number, login to your paynow/paylah QR code and let them scan your QR code.

Then your HP number will not be exposed.

Also safer this way.

You also can straight away check whether the right amount go to your paylah or paynow.

But will delay abit because it takes sometimes to do so - as you also need to login to your paylah or paynow.

14/6/24, 6:37 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Don't know whether it's a server problem or more because of social engineering. The click the link that has gov,sg

14/6/24, 6:38 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Where does it go to?

No dns will resolve this url.

14/6/24, 6:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is a safer method to receive payment.

Just like passenger scan the taxi QR code.

14/6/24, 6:40 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I heard in China qr code cheats are plenty?

14/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But paynow paylah QR code is the bank QR code - SQ QR code.

14/6/24, 6:42 pm - +Jimmy Chew: https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d45444d7959444e/share.html

14/6/24, 6:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

URL need to correspond to a valid public IP address - so that client can access a server.

If URL address is invalid - it cannot correspond to a public IP address that is registered with a DNS server.

Hence web access will fail.

14/6/24, 6:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless the scammer produce a QR code that link to a scammer URL website.

Paylah paynow QR code in the bank go to bank payment website - because you need to login to bank account before displaying the QR code.

14/6/24, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

14/6/24, 6:48 pm - +Jimmy Chew: There are several ways to mask a URL address:

1. URL Shortening: Use services like Bitly or (link unavailable) to shorten and disguise the URL.

2. URL Encoding: Use special characters to encode the URL, making it difficult to read.

3. URL Obfuscation: Use techniques like Base64 encoding or XOR encryption to obscure the URL.

4. Proxy Servers: Use a proxy server to mask the original URL.

5. URL Wrapping: Wrap the URL in a seemingly legitimate URL using a technique called "URL wrapping".

6. Domain Name Aliasing: Use a different domain name that points to the same IP address.

7. URL Redirection: Use a redirect service or a meta refresh tag to redirect to the original URL.

Please note that while these methods can disguise a URL, they may not completely hide it. Additionally, using these methods for malicious purposes, such as phishing or spamming, is not recommended.

14/6/24, 6:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Can this be done?

14/6/24, 6:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Can be done.

But syntax must be correct.

If not correct, DNS servers has no record - cannot resolve.

14/6/24, 6:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

14/6/24, 6:56 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not a valid URL - cannot resolve.

14/6/24, 6:59 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

14/6/24, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

14/6/24, 7:00 pm - ~ REACH Singapore changed this group's settings to allow only admins to send messages to this group

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