REACH 519 - What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?
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15 Dec 2023 (10am - 7pm)
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15/12/23, 9:58 am - +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢*
According to the Labour Market Report Third Quarter 2023 released on Thursday (14 Dec) by the Ministry of Manpower (MOM), the overall demand for labour in Singapore showed signs of cooling, with job vacancies declining to 78,400 (from a peak of 126,000 in March 2022). This was despite growth sectors like healthcare and financial services helping to push up employment numbers.
*💬 What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?*
In the report, MOM said that the ratio of job vacancies to unemployed people stood at 1.58 in September 2023, down from 1.94 in June 2023. Vacancies in growth sectors, which are associated with higher productivity and pay, made up nearly one-third of the overall job vacancies available, MOM added.
Growth in the total number employed also slowed to 23,600 workers in September 2023, down from a high of 75,900 workers in September 2022. Of this number, resident employment (Singaporeans and PRs) grew by 2,800, while non-resident employment grew by 20,800.
Retrenchments also increased from 3,200 in June 2023 to 4,110 in September 2023. However, resident re-entry rates improved from 59.4% in June 2023 to 65.3% in September 2023, indicating that Singaporeans and PRs were more likely to secure reemployment after retrenchment.
In the conclusion of the report, MOM said: "While the labour market continued to expand, the pace of employment growth has slowed compared to a year ago. Economic headwinds will continue to weigh on the labour market going forward."
"The Government encourages employers and workers to make full use of available programmes to remain competitive and resilient amidst economic uncertainty. We encourage employers to press on with business transformation and equip their workers for expanded or redesigned job roles. Workers are encouraged to continue to upskill and be open to new opportunities," MOM added.
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15/12/23, 10:39 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*
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*💬 What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?*
Megan 😊
15/12/23, 10:47 am - +Tortoise: Maybe stop the mass import of CECA vermin with fake degrees?
15/12/23, 10:48 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore EDB and PMET need to open more markets for investment job opportunities and new skill position. Ai engineers going push up advanced technology.
Currently old job opportunities are no longer in position example production operator already replaced by machine automation speed and 24/7.
15/12/23, 10:49 am - +Frankie Wee: 1970 to 2024 or next 2030 things are different and economy fast growing
15/12/23, 10:52 am - +Jimmy Chew: I was scolded by a classmate (52 years old) attending a coaching course that the problem with unemployment is because of the government bad planning. Hard to convinced him that's it the world economic situation and covid has affected the job market. He glorified LKY and the old guards for creating jobs etc. Are there truth to his accusations? Not sure how many folks are feeling like him, disenchanted by the job market <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 10:53 am - +Frankie Wee: Stop the foreigner making fake certificates or BA bring in sg career and unprofessional job description than action. They are well skill speaker
15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Frankie Wee: So far it’s already ahead Ai many thing turn into bad crime
15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Tortoise: Maybe impose regulations that HR has to be Singaporean.
Stop these CECA vermin from bringing their whole village over
15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Smiley face: Yesterday was Bee Gees, today is Taylor Swift ?
15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Jimmy Chew: maybe the government need to make Singaporean face reality that there are better people out there. hahaha
15/12/23, 10:55 am - +Smiley face: Telephone to Handphone?
15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: Government is failed more than trusted foreign skill but fake degree unnoticed.
15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Jimmy Chew: going forward I understand there will be no phone!
15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: Very old already
Believe me future is change 😅
15/12/23, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: New regulations and measures and relook at the existing policies.
15/12/23, 10:57 am - +KL: u can change more, than one day u find all ur NSF and NSmen not in Singapore <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: That's the point.... evolution.
15/12/23, 10:57 am - +KL: all in JB :)
15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: you must see all in a bigger picture not got money u let so many ppl in when got issue u ask NS to protect u all <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 10:58 am - +Smiley face: Moving the geographical line, up North? Any benefits?
15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: Maybe u need to check in a weekend u activate got how many ppl can be recall in time
15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: u find all struck at cause way haha
15/12/23, 10:59 am - +KL: if all went oversea to work then bigger problem
15/12/23, 10:59 am - +Smiley face: Find a new way.... another causeway into Tampines area? Undersea or straight bridge?
15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Smiley face: Wow!
Let's think deeper...
15/12/23, 11:00 am - +KL: that not the point dear
15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: $100B project for rising sea level by 2030 global warming
15/12/23, 11:00 am - +KL: Can cant teach u the whole set without monetary benefit
15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore need make use of it project
15/12/23, 11:01 am - +KL: That just a minor example
15/12/23, 11:52 am - ☸️ Danny 心:
I feel that foreigners workers are not the main contributor to the soft labour market in Singapore currently.
I feel that the following problems could be the contributing factors:-
1. Global economy not doing very well, poor consumers sentiment - notably China market, and other major developed markets.
2. High interest rate, poor investment climate to develop business opportunities and create jobs.
3. Tech disruptors eg. AI - that disrupt jobs.
15/12/23, 12:07 pm - +KL: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 12:08 pm - +Timothy Low: My friend and his colleagues just got retrenched. The boss employed Malaysians based in Malaysia to replace the Singapore team and shared that he can employ 3 Malaysians at the price of 1 Singaporean employee
15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +KL: Sad to heard that , what their industry ? can AI help to avoid this ? Since we here got many AI expert can ask them to help to get soln on job retainment :) <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Agree, but to those who lost their jobs, it's an excuse, because our leaders are really brilliant thinkers
15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +Jimmy Chew: our at least the administration, maybe we employ the wrong calibre?
15/12/23, 12:10 pm - +Jimmy Chew: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: can the authorities look into this, these adverts announced Ho Ching name with impunity. It should be taken off the YouTube and internet, I tried to download the video but I can't.
15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: am now sure who to send to
15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +KL: I saw haha in youtube right I complain to google
15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +Timothy Low: Customer service related and it’s one of a biggest local company
15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: oh, but google I am sure have lost of complaints hahaha, they are serving the world
15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +KL: i managed to got all screen shot but not approaite to share it .
15/12/23, 12:13 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Aiyah, in the days of old leadership, they were able to navigate the waters of industrilizatoin, info technology, labour disputes etc. so to the old there is no excuse
15/12/23, 12:14 pm - +Jimmy Chew: oh, it needs to stop, I have been getting pretty often..
15/12/23, 12:14 pm - +KL: Why no warning to google issue ? fake news right ? <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:15 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am sure there's someone watching these social media to trigger action, if not they are sleeping, because it becomes so common
15/12/23, 12:16 pm - +KL: no la this proof they not watching youtube when work at home :)or maybe those watching don't dare to report, those need to monitor overslept <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:16 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Are we really employing the right calibre for the job of navigating Singapore future to provide jobs and sustainability, I believe so, but some seniors don't think so!
15/12/23, 12:17 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am sure they do it after office hours for example, if I see something nefarious about my company, I would report to my PR folks, even after office hours. They so robotic, say nothing do nothing, not see something say something hahaha <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: so nothing happens is it true?
15/12/23, 12:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: or they say, this is not my job hahaha
15/12/23, 12:20 pm - +Jimmy Chew: maybe we should be teaching more good values in school to the future generations. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:21 pm - +~.@: there's a small icon for the ad center u can file a report
15/12/23, 12:22 pm - +~.@: i did that. maybe more reports will make them remove it
15/12/23, 12:24 pm - +KL: Not sure u report or not. i report at least few time also still see it <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:25 pm - +KL: by righ the AI should not even let me see it since it not my LIKE
15/12/23, 12:27 pm - +KL: I think Got learn 好公民。 Not sure our imported population study the same or not <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:28 pm - +KL: u need to proof it from Youtube . so when screen shot need to include the logo best is the link as well .
15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +KL: i think best is you screen shot after 3 min got a better view..
15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +~.@: i report to Google
15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +~.@: that ad center is a google ad center
15/12/23, 12:38 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
https://payboy.sg/foreign-worker-quota-a-guide-for-employers-in-singapore/
FOREIGN WORKER QUOTA: A GUIDE FOR EMPLOYERS IN SINGAPORE.
15/12/23, 12:41 pm - +Ben: How do you define 'quality' ?
15/12/23, 12:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I guess there is a foreign workers quota - dependency ratio.
A company cannot employ no Singaporeans but all cheaper foreign workers.
If a company fire all Singaporeans team and employ all Malaysian workers - can file a report to mom to take actions against the company.
The company will be ban from hiring foreign workers.
15/12/23, 12:44 pm - +KL: if i put my ah gong ah ma , uncle auntie and grand aunt and godmother as employee <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:47 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Unless the company have many ah gong, ah mah, grand aunt.
I guess this company is not high value added companies that employ "quality" job candidates.
Then must as well seek better quality jobs with better career prospects.
15/12/23, 12:48 pm - +KL: : )
15/12/23, 12:49 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Also if the ah gong, ah ma, aunt, uncle are not in the company payroll, CPF etc - then the companies are engage in cheating the mom labour law.
Companies will be haul up in court.
15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Service cleaner
15/12/23, 12:51 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Hence I don't believe foreigners are the one that contribute to the soft labour market in Singapore.
It is more the soft business sentiment, poor business and soft consumer demands - that results in soft labour market.
15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +KL: Good that what i thinking if anyone know
15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +KL: That the different about i feel and I saw <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 12:52 pm - +Timothy Low: Now companies very clever. They shift the operation to overseas so that they can employ more foreigners without breaking the quota
15/12/23, 12:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore is sinking population low rate. Can foreigners understand Singapore is strictly law.
15/12/23, 12:55 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Well I speak to a few auntie and uncle in the various mall Foodcourts - they told me they are Singaporeans.
Except in punggol Mall Foodcourt - half are foreigners mainly China nationals, some Indians nationals - and the other half Singaporeans.
So I think the foreigners workers quota stick.
Companies won't want to mess with the labour law.
If complains go up to mom - companies have more to lose.
15/12/23, 12:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: New technology soon 2030 we will what look in the world changed.
All is automatically service like example no one want to work as cleaner toilets 🚽. So robots 🤖 take over human job.
15/12/23, 12:58 pm - +KL: if AI going to clean toilet why NEA need to implement P3 and P4 kids to wash toilet ?
15/12/23, 12:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: Kid have to learning self discipline
15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: If not teach kidding behaviour then how to understand meaning living self.
15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +KL: i don't see how wash toilet can instill self disapline?
15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +KL: Neverthless we should go back to today topic haha. i do agree to u in some point like self living <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Maybe kindergarten school will put up technology then kid said wow very keen to learn
15/12/23, 1:00 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
If companies shift their operations to overseas instead of Singapore - that means Singapore is losing our business competitiveness to lower cost countries.
It also means, low value added jobs and business can no longer benefit from Singapore high value added economy and are shifting to low cost countries.
This phenomenon happens most of the time as Singapore move up our business chain and labour value chain.
Hence our workers need to constantly upgrade and our business need to constantly transform into high value added business.
15/12/23, 1:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://cde.nus.edu.sg/edic/projects/innovations-in-intelligent-systems/hivebotics/
15/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: I believe Covid-19 come in toilet unhygienic when human get infections 😅
15/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore rising Covid-19 maybe must be in toilet 🚽😅 <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:10 pm - +KL: that why i say no need to learn clean toilet hahaha .
15/12/23, 1:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: Public or coffeeshop so smelly
15/12/23, 1:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: Every time people paying 10 or 20 cent enter toilet. But still unhygienic
15/12/23, 1:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: Uncle or auntie just sit collect $0.10 just for sleep
15/12/23, 1:15 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Contrary to what some people believe that companies are not employing, I know of some hi-tech companies are facing talents shortage and are not able to recruit more Singaporeans talents, specifically R&D talents.
Existing staff need to double up to cover the shortage.
15/12/23, 1:15 pm - +KL: Actually we all know retrench to hire lower pay .
15/12/23, 1:16 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I means some talents are leaving the companies for higher pay jobs.
Despite the companies just increase the pay and new round of promotion for good performers. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: But they have credit Skillsfuture
15/12/23, 1:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: Going through e-learning upskill
Salary may low but no choice if they have enough cover themselves CPF
15/12/23, 1:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 1:21 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
So if Singaporeans labour are trained in high value added skillsets - I think the labour demand is there with good salary offer.
15/12/23, 1:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 1:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 1:26 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 1:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
https://grabjobs.co/resources/career-resources/job-search/most-in-demand-technology-jobs-singapore/
15/12/23, 1:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Eg. IT infrastructure professionals can transform and upgrade into cloud computing infrastructure, Cybersecurity, telecom network infrastructure professionals etc.
IT application developers can transform and upgrade into full stack application and web developers, AI (GAI, ML, NLP, LLM, python coders etc) data analytics, mobile apps developers, cloud apps, blockchain developers, etc
In IT field, there are shortages in such high tech talents and salaries very good. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Of course companies cannot employ ah gong, ah ma, auntie and uncle in the companies and make up the rest by foreign workers. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:38 pm - +Telephone number: Hotel housekeeping basic $1,800 before any allowance they can earn up to $2,500 and they’re from “Vietnam” quite a number China/malaysia lesser. Omg recall 1 can even afford an Apple Watch 😳
15/12/23, 1:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Also Quantum computing, nuclear fusion scientists, sustainability professionals, future food expertise etc - are also of high demand. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 1:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: Elderly accept and self respect new skill. They too old health matter and acknowledge will dropping.
Elderly can service as office cleaner
15/12/23, 1:44 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 1:59 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
15/12/23, 2:02 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Well I always check the ground and match with the government policies - old, new or just implemented government policies - to see how well the government policies impact the people directly.
This is to ensure policies implemented are not lip service but actually directly helping the Singaporeans and Singapore residents.
And I noticed, many government policies - some we like, some we are not very happy about (but benefitted the country as a whole) and some are mostly good but may have some gaps need to plug as some people may have fallen through the crack.
Hence, I strongly believe many issues raise in REACH directly benefit Singaporeans and residents as well as the country as a whole.
Last but not least, we must correct misperceptions from the public based on misinformation from social media, individuals with political affiliation or just misinformed public.
Always stick to right facts and credible sources - so that the public overall are not misled.
This is important come GE - to elect the right government to be in power - as our stakes must not be left to chance.
Too many misled voters in other countries - bring turmoil into the political scene and bring about unstable government.
Hence we must not let it happen in Singapore - as we are a little red dot with no buffer and hinterland. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 2:03 pm - +Telephone number: Lol my 21yrs old daughter cannot find job. Her previous WSD Word Study Diploma SME only pay her $1,700 when they can claim back from Govt and no overtime and bonus so pathetic such a bully the company name CMA
15/12/23, 2:04 pm - +Telephone number: Precisely not lip service
15/12/23, 2:07 pm - +Rama: Government must plug this loophole!
15/12/23, 2:08 pm - +Rama: Yes
15/12/23, 2:09 pm - +Rama: Soon to be replaced by robots cleaning and qr code collection
15/12/23, 2:10 pm - +Rama: Yes
15/12/23, 2:10 pm - +Rama: Another loophole!
15/12/23, 2:12 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Just to bring up some fact checks that are raise in REACH and how government implemented it:-
I. *Anti-scam measures*
1. Anti-scam mobile apps for 3 local banks and 1 foreign bank implemented (very good).
2. Money lock:-
a. DBS
- FD lock (very good)
- DigiVault for savings account (very good)
b. OCBC
- saving account money lock (very good)
- but no FD money lock
Both also no money lock for:
- apply loan online
- extend credit limit
(That means if scammers get hold of victims banking credentials - can apply bank loans or spend its credit card up to maximum limit) - causing victims to incur heavy debts and debt interest.
This needs to be plug - as this is a gap.
c. CPF money lock - allow maximum $2,000 withdrawal but can lock up to $0. (Very good). <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 2:18 pm - +Telephone number: ……………………………………
15/12/23, 2:22 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
II. *Housing*
1. I give a 9 out of 10 grading to Housing Minister for ramping up bto flats in many estate - new and mature estate in such a short time.
And the subscribing ratio come down from more than 10 : 1 from previous balloting to < 1 : 1 and for the most popular area about 4 : 1.
A very notable improvement for people who need to own flats.
2. However I will like to highlight some gaps that need to be plug:-
a. 5 room flats are in high demand - notice in some areas there are no 5 room flats - only 3 rooms and 4 rooms flat.
Notice 3 rooms flats are very low in demand - grossly under subscribe - will HDB consider offering more 5 room flats based on demand even in popular areas?
b. Income ceiling criteria for bto flats is a concern which I have articulated in depth of the justification that need to scrap the income ceiling criteria.
Hope HDB consider scrapping the income ceiling criteria for bto flats.
15/12/23, 2:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Ceca mass foreign employment is a political led movement that no longer apply in current Singapore context - based on foreign workers quota.
Hence this misperceptions must be corrected. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 2:25 pm - +Rama: How!?
15/12/23, 2:27 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Any statistics or report that show mass foreign workers under Ceca causing problems in Singapore?
I didn't see any.
15/12/23, 2:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Construction workers I see - but no local Singaporeans want to do.
White collars - I didn't see any.
15/12/23, 2:31 pm - +Tortoise: No one has issues with Bangladeshi Construction workers, or even the Indian Manual Workers.
It's the CECA Vermin working in white collar jobs that are the issue.
15/12/23, 2:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
But no longer the case nowadays.
The foreign workers quota has stopped it. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 2:32 pm - +KL: They change to other countries is it ? :)
15/12/23, 2:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That's is not our concern.
15/12/23, 2:33 pm - +KL: why not our concern ?
15/12/23, 2:33 pm - +KL: 2 million ppl is alot
15/12/23, 2:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Not in our country, how will it affect us?
15/12/23, 2:34 pm - +Tortoise: https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/comments/18hdqhe/why_dont_cecas_know_how_to_control_their_kids_in/
Juist see here for complaints
15/12/23, 2:35 pm - +Tortoise: If it's not an issue, why are the ground still bitching about the CECA vermin and their behaviour?
15/12/23, 2:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
What's this?
15/12/23, 2:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Firstly, this social media lack credibility.
People just ranting off.
Don't even know who they are.
And seriously people call this statistics or report?
15/12/23, 2:37 pm - +Tortoise: https://www.brightworkresearch.com/how-indian-it-workers-discriminate-against-non-indian-workers/
15/12/23, 2:37 pm - +Tortoise: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 2:38 pm - +Tortoise: yes, please defend the CECA vermin and their behaviour.]
15/12/23, 2:39 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I will like to see *credible sources* that report any companies that breach the foreign workers quota.
15/12/23, 2:40 pm - +Neeyor: Please stop calling Indian professionals vermin. It makes you a racist and a bigot.
15/12/23, 2:41 pm - +Tortoise: Up yours you CECA vermin apologist
15/12/23, 2:41 pm - +Neeyor: And use of such language against minorities is a crime under Singapore penal code
15/12/23, 2:41 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
And your source is 2019.
Now is 2023.
Btw, who is this research company - is it a credible research sources!
Commission by who to do this research?
15/12/23, 2:43 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Agree.
15/12/23, 2:44 pm - +Rama: Nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade!
15/12/23, 2:44 pm - +Rama: Selective prosecution
15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Rama: True
15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Ben: Correct - I'm disgusted to see this sort of language being used. @REACH needs to take action. I appreciate this is an open forum for people to speak openly about their views, but racism has no place in Singapore.
15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Rama: Don't forget prc/pinoy and westerners too!
15/12/23, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Superior air head pea brain!
15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Tortoise: So it's racism when we complain, but when they kick you out of a job it's free market economics?
15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Double standards!😳😞🤦♂️😖😡😳
15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Ben: Complaint is ok, but name calling is not.
15/12/23, 2:49 pm - +Ben: What is your Complaint?
15/12/23, 2:49 pm - +Tortoise: How is it name calling?
They came in under CECA and they swarm like vermin displacing locals from their jobs
15/12/23, 2:50 pm - +Tortoise: Calling a spade a spade
15/12/23, 2:50 pm - +Ben: OMG - I think you are about to be kicked out of here. I feel sorry for you and your bitterness.
15/12/23, 2:51 pm - +Rama: CECA Indian name calling is not racist but a acronym for a agreement between government of Singapore and India. By the way, India will soon be known as Bharat so Ceca Bharat.
15/12/23, 2:51 pm - +Ben: You know we are not referring to CECA...
15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Ben: Calling people vermin and saying they are swarming the country is the sort of language Nazi used.
15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: sorry, I AM refering to CECA, specifially. I dont know what you are reffering to
15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Ben: Read my message then.
15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: whataboutyouisms
15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: really? you need to youse the NAZI analogy '?
15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Rama: That's the tag for Indians for Indians from India.
15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Ben: Calling people vermin and saying they swarm the country is exactly the type of language the Nazi used.
15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Vermin sounds like from America!
15/12/23, 2:54 pm - +Ben: Again, calling people vermin is not acceptable.
15/12/23, 2:54 pm - +Rama: You have yet to hear the full list!
15/12/23, 2:55 pm - +Ben: What do you mean?
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15/12/23, 2:55 pm - +Ben: Really? This is all you say about racist abuse on the forum?
15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Tortoise: The objection is not Race Based.
It's Nationality based.
15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Rama: The name calling is worse!
15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Tortoise: Have you ever worked with them?
15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Tortoise: I honestly don't think anyone who had ever had to work with them will object.
15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Living nearby with them and indirectly interaction in public places is disgusting!
15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: You have a lot to learn!
15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Tortoise: The 3 Condo's in Simei......
15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Fine example!
15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Rama: Mandarin Gardens at one time too!
15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Ben: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Rama: They wanted to change a Chinese restaurant to an Indian one!
15/12/23, 2:59 pm - +Ben: I can't believe what I'm reading.
15/12/23, 3:00 pm - +Tortoise: says a lot about your exposure to them
15/12/23, 3:00 pm - +Ben: I've taken screengrabs and will be reporting this to the police.
15/12/23, 3:01 pm - +Tortoise: Typical
15/12/23, 3:01 pm - +Sam: Yes Ben. This should not be tolerated. I am a Chinese and I am disgusted by this sort of language.
15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: What is about ?
15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Rama: There's more!
15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Rama: There is a lot said about Chinese too!
15/12/23, 3:03 pm - +Rama: Good
15/12/23, 3:03 pm - +Rama: Wars throughout history always have ethnic cleansing and genocide issues!
15/12/23, 3:05 pm - +Ben: And you are promoting that behaviour, disgusting.
15/12/23, 3:05 pm - +Andrea: Hi, I’m not sure about your experiences with Indian nationals who are here under CECA, but I’ve met a few Indian nationals whose kids are my children’s classmates in school, and they have been nothing but kind and lovely. Not loud or disgusting in any way. They respect the school / teachers, are not demanding, and are polite and friendly. Perhaps you have had bad experiences with some of them, just like we all have had bad experiences with any other race or nationality.
15/12/23, 3:06 pm - +Sam: I thought this is a civilised group. It turns out that messages are mainly anti government, racist and one sided complaints. Although there are some genuine feedback, especially one given by Danny, but mostly just complaints.
15/12/23, 3:07 pm - +Rama: We all have to live with what we can't accept!
15/12/23, 3:08 pm - +Ben: I abide by the law.
15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Rama: Genuine frustration with imported second class Singapore citizen developing their own cluster in our country!
15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Rama: Not them!
15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Ben: Not you.
15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Ben: You are the one causing conflict and disharmony.
15/12/23, 3:10 pm - +Rama: Unfortunately, you are blind until it hits you right in the face!
15/12/23, 3:15 pm - +Ben: It's worth considering if maybe you are the problem. Maybe you aren't very nice to some people due to bias and prejudice and as a result, they are not very nice to you.
15/12/23, 3:43 pm - +Rama: Dwell into marrying a Ceca Bharat and see the caste difference between gujerati, brain and a dalit. Understand the astrology associated with Indian customs, traditions. Then, possibly your eyes will be opened and shocked.
15/12/23, 3:46 pm - +Telephone number: No one is ever a problem🙏
Just 一种米养百种人
1 Same rice feeds a hundred types of ppl with different perspectives.
15/12/23, 3:46 pm - +Rama: Good point
15/12/23, 3:51 pm - +Rama: A Indian girl friend of mine had a Chinese boy friend for ten years. He learned her dialect and could communicate with his future mother in law. Upon engagement, he chicken out after being pressured by his chinese friends!
15/12/23, 3:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Race is equal nothing is skin colour we are Singapore all are nice neighbours and nothing is bothering.
15/12/23, 3:54 pm - +Rama: Even amongst us locals, prejudice is there!
15/12/23, 3:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: I love Indian foods very delicious biryani mutton or chicken
15/12/23, 3:55 pm - +Rama: I love Chinese food!
15/12/23, 3:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: Buy from them they buy us from are same happy <This message was edited>
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15/12/23, 3:58 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Like always, I will often try to check the ground.
About Ceca mass foreign workers, back in 5 years ago, I noticed many foreign workers in the following areas:-
1. Changi Business Park - mainly in IT.
2. Jurong East - mainly in IT and Engineering.
3. Shenton way - mainly in banks and finance.
But last year and this year specifically, I check the following areas again - and I discover a noticeable drop in foreign workers notably from Ceca.
1. I travel along the Changi Business Park and MRT lines - I did not observe many white-collar foreign Ceca workers.
(5 years ago or more, I see many).
2. I went down to Shenton way a few times, also see a noticeable drop in ceca white collar foreign workers as oppose to few years ago when I see many.
3. I went to IMM a few times this year and last year, same observations - noticeable drop in ceca foreign workers.
4. I went to SBI bank in AMK - few years ago, all Indian nationals including bank manager and RM Manager.
Last year and this year, I went to the same bank, bank manager and RM Manager are Singaporeans Chinese, counter bank clerks are make up of Singaporean Chinese and 3 Indian nationals.
The auntie that serve drink and clean up the bank is a Singaporean Chinese.
Hence based on my observations, I conclude that the foreign workers quota dependency ratio do work - and the misperceptions that Ceca is chasing away local jobs is a past perceptions.
There could be some isolated and few cases - but at national level, this is my observations.
Unless someone can produce recent photos, videos, or credible sources, news or statistics to prove my observations is wrong.
Else I stand my ground that ceca problem is based on past perception - but not a major issue now.
15/12/23, 4:00 pm - +Rama: We seem to have multiple little ceca Indian enclave other than tekka!?
15/12/23, 4:01 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
I am referring to offices, companies and jobs.
Not community and enclaves.
15/12/23, 4:01 pm - +Rama: Agree its a issue!
15/12/23, 4:02 pm - +Rama: Part and parcel no difference
15/12/23, 4:19 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In fact in Shenton way a SBI bank, the RM Manager, an Indian national complain to me that the foreign workers quota dependency ratio favours local Singaporeans locals.
He told me that many of his Indian nationals country mates from different industry sectors need to leave Singapore after their EP and WP permit expires.
I hear this from the horse mouth.
And after I heard what he said few years ago, I specifically do physical checks as I mentioned above.
This indian national RM also no longer with the SBI bank - I believe he went home.
So I cannot accept the current arguments and perception that Ceca is taking mass jobs away from local Singaporeans.
Unless I am proven wrong by real sources and real statistics.
Don't present 2019 obsolete survey from not credible sources or quote some dubious social media.
Now is 2023 - 4 years away from the last report. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 4:23 pm - +Rama: The fact that they bring their families here and are given employment is a point of contention.
15/12/23, 4:28 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
But I thought many jobs are reserved for Singaporeans.
As our economy is global and very big, Singaporeans cannot fill up all the jobs.
We need PRs and foreigners to hold our enormous economy.
Else investors will leave Singapore to other countries.
And many Singaporeans will lose our jobs.
15/12/23, 4:29 pm - +Rama: Was Ceca debate in Parliament prior to implementation widely explained to the general public!?
15/12/23, 4:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
That's in the past.
Now ceca problem has been corrected.
15/12/23, 4:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia many here worker less than Singaporean / PR
15/12/23, 4:30 pm - +Rama: Quietly or openly!?
15/12/23, 4:32 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.enterprisesg.gov.sg/grow-your-business/go-global/international-agreements/free-trade-agreements/find-an-fta/ceca
For those interested, please delve into the details of this highly complex and structured FTA to have a clearer understanding of the circumstances and the substances, aka CECA.
15/12/23, 4:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Use statistics, observe the number in companies and jobs.
15/12/23, 4:39 pm - +Smiley face: 15 December, 2023
"No Free Meals!"
What is tomorrow India and the past?
In the interest of Global financials, in particular, capital markets, M&A and IPO.
The future looks like this: the big three plus one that is; New York, London and Singapore plus India.
Previously, Hong Kong on many occasions edged out SINGAPORE as the three party for equities and capitals.
In short, things have changed and it is developing) evolving faster as each day passed on...
The future? So what can Singapore benefits from CECA?
- - in progress - -
15/12/23, 4:41 pm - +Rama: The floodgates will open when the special economic zone between johor and Singapore takes shape.
15/12/23, 4:44 pm - +Smiley face: https://mustsharenews.com/sgd-ringgit-rate/
Lagi teruk for some people or Lagi Shiok for others?
15/12/23, 4:45 pm - +Smiley face: Two ways to look at it or multiple ways?
dua cara untuk melihatnya?)
15/12/23, 4:49 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Again, the gate regulator is the "foreign workers quota dependency ratio".
The physical RTS LRT and the economic zone will not suddenly open the flood gates - because EP and WP will regulate business and jobs.
15/12/23, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia worker happy earn salary here sg
15/12/23, 4:51 pm - +Smiley face: "Lagi Shiok or Lagi Teruk?
What if the Ringgit further weaken to 3.8 : 1 ?
From 3.5 to 3.8, it's 8% gain for some folks and others will suffer cumulatively 16%, both ways?
What about jobs and jobs security? For Singapore businesses who have Malaysia entities, it's a game changer for these folks? The bigger the exposure to Ringgit, the better these transfer pricing element to the bosses, aka SMEs and how about the big MNCs?
15/12/23, 4:52 pm - +Smiley face: How about the country's balance of payments, fiscal policies and the private arrangements?
A chance for arbitrage and or circumvention?
15/12/23, 4:53 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
To illustrate,
If economic zones attract 100 new business (100 workers per company) , the local versus foreign quota will correspondingly increase.
That is new 7,000 local workers and 3,000 foreign workers if the dependency ratio is 70:30.
So more local jobs produce (7,000 jobs) while foreign workers jobs (3,000 jobs) also generated.
There are no loss of jobs to locals.
Hence our discussion always based on facts, science, math calculations - and should not based on feelings, sentiments, hearsay, dubious social media gossip or non-credible survey, news or articles or obsolete news source. <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 4:56 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/india-overtakes-hong-kong-to-become-worlds-seventh-largest-stock-market.html
"No losers, the losers are those who have missed the boat! Why?"
- - anonymity
15/12/23, 4:58 pm - +Smiley face: Some folks say, SG is smart to have invested in two mega yachts; China+India!
15/12/23, 5:04 pm - +Rama: 1 to 3.51 currently
15/12/23, 5:05 pm - +Rama: This will take a hit!
15/12/23, 5:05 pm - +Rama: Yes
15/12/23, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: No losers!
15/12/23, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: Continuation: Part 4/9
(Accelerating Performances & Pitfalls: Jung, Maslow and Deming and more?)
Preview...
The end goal is to redefine each SD into +/-2% in order to achieve the next level of scaling and the end results of a minimisation of the margin of errors of 2% or less which would translate into a confidence level of up to 99% accuracy and towards 100% perfect for portions of the enlarged roadmap of transition and transformation to a Super Scale Producer/Provider.
So what are metrics of a Hyper Scaler, beyond all proven betas?
(hint: it matters to the jobs of the future)
15/12/23, 5:10 pm - +Rama: I feel the way the issues of these foreigners supposedly taking away jobs from singaporeans is still not explained to the general public thus inviting unnecessary resentment.
15/12/23, 5:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: “Before I resigned as a nurse in 2014 in Malaysia, my basic salary was just RM2,700 (S$788.19) per month. In Singapore, the basic salary for a junior nurse at the time was around S$2,500 and that’s already equivalent to more than RM7,000. It makes a world of difference,” she said.
“Within two years I was able to settle the family’s debt for our home and (the loan for) a van - which my husband bought for his business. The extra income gave us peace of mind,” said the mother of a 10-year-old girl, who said her pay has increased at a “fair rate” annually, though she declined to reveal her income details.
15/12/23, 5:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/johor-workers-singapore-brain-drain-causeway-shortage-nurse-chef-3804751
15/12/23, 5:21 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia fiscal policy weak current and high inflation than paying local job. Most of them coming to Singapore current dollars and making living to pay off debt.
15/12/23, 5:23 pm - +Smiley face: Cost is the cause of the displacement of jobs? Productivity is the course to profit?
15/12/23, 5:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: While Singaporean also cost of living level more than Malaysia what is opposite side weak and strength
15/12/23, 5:24 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore and Malaysia are the same neighbours as trade agreements.
15/12/23, 5:27 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/cna-explains-ringgit-weak-economy-us-dollar-singapore-dollar-2706766
What has the Malaysian government done to ease depreciation pressure? Would pegging the ringgit to the US dollar help? CNA asks the experts.
15/12/23, 5:27 pm - +Smiley face: Oh O! In trouble....?
15/12/23, 5:28 pm - +KL: If a local nurse saw this how would he/ she feel ?
15/12/23, 5:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
In Singapore, there are high demand for nurses.
15/12/23, 5:29 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
The only problem is, does locals want a nursing job.
15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Smiley face: Elsewhere?
15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +KL: Got lah , i saw NUS nursing degree course i thgt
15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Can be the future change let’s said 2030 Malaysia will going hit SGD to Ringgit = RM$5.00
I quite uncertain about the future
15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore economy very stronger market.
15/12/23, 5:31 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Globally there are nursing shortages.
15/12/23, 5:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Covid-19 happened time to time again
Frontline very exhausted
15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: Then how?
15/12/23, 5:32 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: How?
15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: Trouble?
15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Frankie Wee: I am not God but I can said why Covid-19 never cure still pandemic to epidemic
15/12/23, 5:33 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Trouble is, locals are not taking up nursing jobs.
15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Smiley face: Respiratory bugs ... fundamental issue
15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Smiley face: Why?
15/12/23, 5:34 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
They are view as dirty, laborious and dangerous job.
15/12/23, 5:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: More avail job need if Ai able handle with human <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 5:35 pm - +Smiley face: Concepts of Quality & Quantity
15/12/23, 5:35 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 5:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sacrifice themself for save life
I have read news doctor death infection from Covid-19
15/12/23, 5:36 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Pay not that bad, but local take up rate - low.
15/12/23, 5:36 pm - +KL: u think local can surive with 2500 dollar ? <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 5:36 pm - +Smiley face: Let's better it and start encouraging the young ones and alter their perceptions and Mindsets.
15/12/23, 5:37 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Oh, I know of a family - 2 members survive on a $1,400 a month job.
15/12/23, 5:37 pm - +Smiley face: Pay scale and starting pay has to be recalibrated for our locals if we wish to have our own local nurses.
The concepts of ratio and cost
15/12/23, 5:38 pm - +KL: i don't think is nice if not oneself
15/12/23, 5:38 pm - +Smiley face: MSF and NPO should assist them.
15/12/23, 5:39 pm - +Smiley face: Will $600 additional help enough?
15/12/23, 5:39 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s worth
15/12/23, 5:41 pm - +Smiley face: Pls refer this Family to FSA or MSF or NPO like Breadline. If you could help to connect this family. Thanks!
15/12/23, 5:42 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.breadlinegroup.org/who-we-are/
15/12/23, 5:43 pm - +Rama: 🤷♂️
15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Rama: Hours, stress from patients and their families, unfair work load .
15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Smiley face: For the young and single?
The latest MND announcenent of the short term lease project for public housings is one good idea to expand further in the case of a young and single adult who is living with their ageing parents and aspires to book his or her first BTO and same time wishes to live on their own.
The three months lease period should be flexible to stretch to 360 days or four quarters. Should there be valid reasons due to the delay in the BTO process or construction, a further extension of the lease would be granted on a six months basis to these affected tenants. Other exceptions need further discussions and determined by MND. The rental adjustments will depend on the supply and demand of the general rental markets on a year to year basis.
Let's create a bit of happiness and reducing the anxiety for our young people.
15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Rama: Tough
15/12/23, 5:48 pm - +Rama: Minimum sgd3k
15/12/23, 5:49 pm - +Smiley face: Fair !
15/12/23, 5:49 pm - +KL: Yes it is tough. I think it not right just to win an argument and speak like not their business. If one day their child become the same will they speak like that ? <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 5:50 pm - +Rama: True
15/12/23, 5:50 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I'm not sure whether this is the platform but I think it is okay to bring it up. What's the government doing with the no availability of art kits. I went to 5 places and they apologized no kits . Hahaha I have all the symptoms and as a responsible citizen I want to know if I have COVID but got no test kit. How? <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 5:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everyone got vaccinated done recorded in app Heath hub Covid-19 since date. Then this years seek to increase infection rates. That’s mean our vaccine already expired they will come back anytime.
What’s govt said make ensure we all must hygiene and protect ourselves.
15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: So taking it as flu. No testing?
15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Few of my colleagues got come back 2nd and 3rd time late get well MC 5 days
15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +KL: I buy from Qoo10 few days ago need 2 days delivery. additional 10 dollar to protect family should be good deal compare to family kanna covid Not cheap thou <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 5:55 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Thanks
15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Rama: Wait for SMS
15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Beware caution if they sell fake kit art won’t work
15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Check ensure license
15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Many scam will trying new things.
15/12/23, 5:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: Apple and Android card top up no avail at 7-11 outlet local I surprised what’s happened.
15/12/23, 6:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*
15/12/23, 6:03 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Thanks
15/12/23, 6:10 pm - +Smiley face: Cheers!
15/12/23, 6:20 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 6:21 pm - +Rama: The centre is for!?
15/12/23, 6:24 pm - ☸️ Danny 心:
Well, I feel that allowing 1 side - right side for people to walk through - can pose some danger to commuters.
Because sometimes people in a rush try to push through causing people to fall or the things they carry to drop.
Wonder only a few seconds, the escalator will reach the bottom or top - it cultivate graciousness and patience.
So Japan's approach to MRT escalator worth pondering over.
15/12/23, 6:25 pm - ☸️ Danny 心: <Media omitted>
15/12/23, 6:29 pm - +Bhavani: Yes especially for those with disabilities, it is a real hazard when others try to rush past <This message was edited>
15/12/23, 6:29 pm - +Rama: Agree
15/12/23, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*
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15/12/23, 6:58 pm - +Smiley face: 15 December, 2023
"360/360 approach to job seekers , the prospect of FDI and the critical window of economics"
Synopsis:
"Within 360 days, you look around 360 across sectors to seek for a new job. One consideration is to make use of the 360 days to reskill or upskill and priortise your needs and expectations.
Beyond the timeline of 360 days, things get tougher especially for ageing workers 50 years and older.
The general outlook of any job markets, this case in a highly developed country, will change and this unavoidable reality coupled with the dynamic of the job markets to contract due to the contraction of the overall business activities (cash flows & short term liabilities) plus the interconnectivity from the developing to the developed economies across the geography of the world.
One down and the next three shall follow similar trends of hiring and firing of workers. So where are the safety measures for any economy and workers, all alike in the same boat? Proactive interventions from the perspective of microeconomics (because the macro is weak) to craft several sustainable economic policies to tie over bad times for both the businesses and the workers that are classified as middle-class and below, it can be up to 8Qs of buffering and costing of up to $2.2 billions - $2.5 billions per year and/or further tax and non-tax incentives to entice qualified and big contributors of FDI to invest, and/or calibrated protectionism at the outer core of the domestic economy.
It's timely once again for the unions and the Manpower Ministry double up to provide supports to affected workers."
- - anonymity
https://mustsharenews.com/sgd-ringgit-rate/
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/johor-workers-singapore-brain-drain-causeway-shortage-nurse-chef-3804751
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