REACH 520 - What are your views on the charges faced by NEA, Ng and Lee? How can we strengthen our workplace safety culture in Singapore to ensure that the workplace remains safe and accident free?

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27 Dec 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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27/12/23, 9:57 am - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

On Tuesday (26 Dec), the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) and the Attorney-General’s Chambers (AGC) charged two National Environmental Agency (NEA) employees under the Workplace Safety and Health Act, for their involvement in an incident that resulted in an explosion at Tuas Incineration Plant in 2021. The plant was decommissioned in 2022. Two NEA officers Mr Kwok Yeow Wai and Mr Wee Eng Leng were killed. Another officer Mr Low Yin Choon sustained injuries.The three men were in an electrical switch room when the explosion occurred.

Mr Ng Wah Yong, the former general manager of Tuas Incineration Plant; Mr Lee Yew Binn Christopher, the former divisional director of the waste infrastructure operation and management division of the NEA; and the NEA have been alleged to have failed to ensure the safety and health of its employees and failed to adequately implement control measures and establish safe work procedures. 

💬 *What are your views on the charges faced by NEA, Ng and Lee? How can we strengthen our workplace safety culture in Singapore to ensure that the workplace remains safe and accident free?*

According to court charges, NEA and Ng did not ensure that the permit-to-work system implemented for high-voltage switchgear racking works complied with electrical installation regulations and failed to adequately implement control measures and establish safe work procedures for high-voltage switchgear racking works. Lee was charged with approving the permit-to-work system although it did not comply with regulations.

In a Facebook post, Minister for Sustainability and the Environment Grace Fu extended condolences to the two NEA officers who lost their lives and said that a Ministerial Statement will be made at the January sitting of Parliament to address the incident and charges. 

The NEA said that it has cooperated fully with MOM on the incident investigation and will continue to strive for improvements in operational excellence, safety, and resilience.

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/nea-and-its-two-employees-charged-over-tuas-incineration-plant-explosion-which-killed-2-men 

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/nea-employees-charged-tuas-incineration-plant-explosion-2021-4010856

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27/12/23, 10:08 am - +Rama: Very surprised but gives clarity to own up.

27/12/23, 10:09 am - +Thank You: Haiz… my ex mixed developement condo can get TOP and CSC when the door for the bomb shelter was fix wrong side and cannot close as the staircase handrail block it!!! 

There are more others…….when we go seek MP help were told to bring to strata court, building surveyor, legal fees, Professional Engineer fees etc all incurred rolls to probably 200K !!!!   We are residential not “commercial”.  IN THE FIRST PLACE IF TOP/CSC was not issued then all of the above would not have happen

27/12/23, 10:13 am - +Rama: Somebody messed up and pass the buck to the residents!😳😞😖😡🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

27/12/23, 10:13 am - +Thank You: All these approval are step by step so government / MND should look into which area is the part be it needs clarity.

27/12/23, 10:13 am - +Rama: Easy to play musical chairs/ Tai Chi!

27/12/23, 10:14 am - +Thank You: Precisely, the mall themself was the developer if cannot get TOP they have to incur liabilities to pay residents for late possession of the unit.

27/12/23, 10:16 am - +Rama: Developer should be held liable as this occurred before handover to mcst/residents during TOP!?

27/12/23, 10:19 am - +Thank You: WORST, the whole development was not being surveyed!!!! Developer just submit the floor plan by themselves to BCA and got the shares proportion themselves higher and during AGM as they hold more than 50% of shares they have all the say/call hence no residents wanted to join the AGM as it is basically like “POINTLESS” after all these experiences all residents felt so UNFAIR

27/12/23, 10:21 am - +Thank You: Again MP said this have to bring to starts titles again another cost of $$$$$$.

This MP I know is a kind and nice guy Dr Faishal.

27/12/23, 10:26 am - +Thank You: Those people be it PE(Professional Engineer), surveyor or etc….have to take the responsibility if any of such incidents reported.

Common sense, if they have to take the responsibilities of the approval as they sign on the paper!!!  

Not to push all to residents or whoever who had know nothing about construction safety be it M&E or etc… 

Then all these will be minimised

27/12/23, 10:27 am - +Thank You: Singapore is a “LAW” country once TOP/CSC developer takes $$$$ that’s it bye they go.

27/12/23, 10:31 am - +Thank You: If you have a friend whose a Snr lawyer then you’ll know many development was not being surveyed as in there are no authorities chop by surveyor on their floor plan.  The so call big players developer play this kind of game with residents so where the problem lies think 🤔

27/12/23, 10:36 am - +Thank You: It’s very sad to hear this what or which area is missing??? How long was this area set up before this incident happened.  Every year there is SCDF doing check and where is the safety manger???  SCDF did not notice any danger???

We also to complacent to relay on this person approve then should be ok I just approve due to busy schedule or etc the head of this plant belongs to who whom might hold certain power?!

27/12/23, 10:36 am - +Rama: Laws must be amended ASAP!

27/12/23, 10:36 am - +Rama: Things must change legally asap!

27/12/23, 10:37 am - +Rama: Any financial penalties for non compliance!?

27/12/23, 10:38 am - +Frankie Wee: Human error that how they fail their duty maintenance at fault system.

27/12/23, 10:38 am - +Rama: Which stat board or ministry is responsible for short coming!?

27/12/23, 10:44 am - +Frankie Wee: Everything technically has a law empower sue them. 

Accident 

Exploding 

Disposal chemical or acid 

And more.

27/12/23, 10:44 am - +Frankie Wee: Their responsibilities duty has ensure safety report.

27/12/23, 10:45 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/sri-lanka-to-sue-singapore-shipping-company-for-marine-pollution

27/12/23, 12:22 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR MORE* from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the charges faced by NEA, Ng and Lee? How can we strengthen our workplace safety culture in Singapore to ensure that the workplace remains safe and accident free?*

Megan 😊

27/12/23, 12:53 pm - +KL: Maybe can look North south Corridor project ( around Marymount ) where the China railway 2 and 5  construction company can do wonder in a short time. Clean , safe and big project. Maybe it time we learn from them in term of only, how they work, safe and clean . Althought they often sneakily rush work to late 3 am or 4 am where I need to call NEA to check their noise in 2021 to 2022 and NEA also could not do anything. As national interest above all. Personally  I think the construction company is clean and safey is not bad from bysider point of view. Hope their cost is low, of course to learn but not asking anyone to use them too often yea. <This message was edited>

27/12/23, 1:02 pm - +Rama: Learn from the Chinese how they build temporary hospitals in a extremely short time and now temporary homes for victims of recent natural disasters.

27/12/23, 1:03 pm - +Thank You: https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=ea8bc1f2-ae27-4208-beb6-7ff88715f3ea

27/12/23, 1:03 pm - +KL: That one I not sure as I never see it with own eye. But I can see the NSC project for past few years when running around doing deliveries.. Alt sometime ponding occur at AMK library and AMk blk 20+ section not sure who doing the part of the projectNot promoting using Chinese company hope no one get that meaning but learn the good point. Of course some project not suitable . Will keep to next time when topic are in line. <This message was edited>

27/12/23, 1:05 pm - +Thank You: 1st was identify the caused and not repeat the same mistake.

27/12/23, 1:08 pm - +Thank You: What was the caused, who approved ? Why did they approved when it’s non compliance?  There are check every year by SCDF didn’t they notice anything wrong?  If yes, how they still can get the fire safety certificate?  If no, what’s missing.

27/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Thank You: We just cannot be too complacent

27/12/23, 1:11 pm - +Thank You: I’ve personally walked around with a surveyor form a building surveyor company and was told that BCA short of manpower basically all entities and the quality nowadays was faster and cheaper ways hence quality wise it dropped.

27/12/23, 1:18 pm - +Thank You: Domestic Water Storage Tank - Non Compliance Sampling Taps Requirement.  

This is one of the minor issue compared to the Bomb shelter door not able to close.

27/12/23, 1:20 pm - +Thank You: We changed all contractors that was brought in by the developer.  It was the the contractor whom we engaged by our own MCST who refused to do water tank cleaning as they notice the “Non Compliance”.

We need such people with integrity!

27/12/23, 1:20 pm - +Rama: Ownself cover ownself mentality!

27/12/23, 1:24 pm - +Thank You: Anyone bought The Linq @ Bukit Timah above beauty world mrt good luck as it’s the same developer BBR from ex condo 🙏

Well, what I can do was also to alert SCDF that the same developer on this project and the office said they would be more stringent on this project as it is also Mix Development!

Hopefully, she/he will remember or note it down and pass on to the next officer in the event he/she left SCDF.

27/12/23, 1:41 pm - +Thank You: A simple example was driving license “REVOKED” for speeding/hitting etc!

With such punishment then in near future all approving officers till PE level will be more CAUTIOUS if they want to approved anything.

27/12/23, 1:45 pm - +Thank You: Just like how MOH zip up 99% of all medical trained doctors/specialists if they were to share the truth about COVID JAB was only use for “EMERGENCY” use with a deadline as the jab research the mice either injured/died hence it did not passed.

You know it is not easy to be a doctor and to get your license “revoked” all kept quiet!!! Haiz

27/12/23, 1:59 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

27/12/23, 2:05 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. It is important to ensure a safe workplace - as workers are working to earn a living by contributing their brain and efforts to the company - and not risk their lives and subject injuries.

2. Hence conforming to work safety is extremely important.

3. Managers, supervisors, safety officers and workers all the way down - must ensure workers conform to workplace safety - contribute to the company and at the end of everyday - safely go home.

4. I believe work safety are mostly common sense - and when realise something is not within the safety norm - workers should stop work and raise the alerts - so that safety officers, supervisors and manager - should immediately review the situation and take preventive and remedial actions.

27/12/23, 2:20 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. It is difficult to propose and assess how to improve the workplace safety inside an electrical switchroom in a Tuas incineration plant - because only those trained specialists can know what are the safety measures that need to look out for.

2. I have never enter an electriclal switchroom - hence cannot comment how to make it safe from electrocution and worst, in this case explosion.

Wonder how come electrical switchroom can explode..... very strange, scary too.

3. But I do work in a datacentre - where there are many LAN switches, routers, servers and telecommunication equipment - plus many electrical switches and plugs.

4. Common sense tell me to be careful in carrying heavy IT equipment, mount and secure equipment, configure IT equipment and handle electrical devices and plugs with care.

5. Don't touch live wires, wear proper attire with safety shoes etc.

6. As long as be careful, workplace should be a safe place to work.

27/12/23, 2:25 pm - +Samuel: Besides these two, the head of NEA should likewise face the music and humbly resigned because this preventable tragic event (WSH) happened  under his/her watch and charge.

27/12/23, 2:35 pm - +Rama: I wonder if this will become a ownself check ownself scenario just like  TCJ/I type saga!?

27/12/23, 2:35 pm - +Thank You: I’ve entered a switch room that requires LEW of level 9, for safety not anyone can go in and everyone who enter have to sign in/out.

By questioning why was the approval given from each different entities and levels the answer will help to prevent future mistake.

27/12/23, 2:37 pm - +Rama: Possibly

27/12/23, 2:56 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. An analogy - accountability; direct line of responsibility.

2. Example a general come out with battle orders for his 3 brigades.

Eg. No soldiers should enter and fight in a tunnel - but to find the tunnel entrance, send in robots with explosive and blow it up.

This is the general accountability to ensure the battle are fought according to his battle orders and ensure the safety of his soldiers.

3. His 3 brigades commanders are supposed to carry out his battle orders.

4. Supposed 2 brigade commanders carry out the general order but 1 brigade commander in the haste to win the battle send in the troops into the tunnel to chase the enemies instead if waiting for the robot units - got booby trap or ambush and some soldiers got killed.

Do we think is the general fault or brigade commander's fault - as the brigade commander has the direct line of responsibility. <This message was edited>

27/12/23, 3:06 pm - +Rama: Brigade commander at fault!

27/12/23, 3:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Then it is thus important to establish if nea head do the right thing by establishing all safety measures - for all incineration plants - just like what that general do.

If yes, the nea head - accountability is clear   and above board.

2. Next establish if those incineration plant managers, supervisors, safety officers and workers carry out the safety measures establish by the nea head.

If no, safety measures are breach - then plant managers - line of responsibility is not properly carried out.

Then plant line of responsibility is accountable for failing to comply with safety measures.

3. It is important to ensure that accountability and responsibilities are clear and transparent - so that there is no witch hunt.

4. Else Singapore will be losing top talents to helm important portfolio.

And talents are difficult to come by especially in a small country like Singapore.

27/12/23, 3:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Cannot be that anything happens in the country - the head at fault.

Anything happens in a company - CEO at fault.

Fire the head, fire the CEO.

Cannot be a child commit an offense in school - the father mother fault & must be punished.

Then wonder will there be any government head, CEO or parents left - if witch hunt is the modus operandi?

27/12/23, 3:59 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

27/12/23, 4:25 pm - +Thank You: CEO(HEAD), have to answer for it otherwise why are they paid so much.  As a PSG, I’ve volunteered and experienced 4 different primary schools and was amazed by the SL(School Leaders) of Xishan Primary as she cares for all and after she steps in there was a tremendous change!!!!

How the subordinate behaves it will boils down to how the leader/mgmt guidance!

It is not easy that’s why they are being paid the amount to hold the “Responsibility” 

I was utterly disappointed when 1 of the minister said on news that the people below know what to do hence they just sign and approved!!!

The top leaders have to be aware and know what the people below them are doing.

5 stars hotel have a certain standard hence we paid so much more whereas experience different 4 stars hotel and how the staffs behave tells you how well they are being treated and mange.

27/12/23, 4:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

CEO or head has to answer - that is correct.

That's why it will be brought up to the parliament to establish - where went wrong.

But no witch hunt yet - without establishing where the problem lies. <This message was edited>

27/12/23, 4:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If the subordinate(s) indeed fail to carry out the due diligence - then the subordinate (s) will have to answer for it.

27/12/23, 4:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. If a child misbehave in school, punishment need to be administered on the child - to ensure the child mend his/her ways.

But the child parents will also be informed to ensure the parents will be more attentive to ensure the child learn the lesson and make amend.

27/12/23, 4:34 pm - +Rama: With the superior for not exercising due diligence

27/12/23, 4:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If the superior is at fault for not doing due diligence - then the superior is responsible.

27/12/23, 4:35 pm - +Rama: Yes

27/12/23, 5:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The purpose of parliamentary proceedings is to ascertain:-

1. Are the system adequate and fit for purpose.

2. Are safety measures adequate.

3. Are procedures adhere to.

4. Are there any human faults along the line of command.

Only after establishing where the fault lies can the following be done:-

1. Whether additional measures are necessary - be it beefing up the system, introduce additional safety measures or tighten the procedure.

2. If 1. is adequate, then is it human faults or failure to comply with the procedures.

3. Only then guilt is appropriately establish, punishment appropriately administered and procedures put in place to ensure no repetition of such workplace safety incidents.

27/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Thank You: For example the president election, Tharman was not supposed to hold any other appointment however it went through as they thought no one would

Knows or they Govt themselves overlook.

After election, a new law constitution was made that President can hold other appointments to the benefit of country so this is a VERY OBVIOUS mistake or UNFAIRNESS done Haiz we were all talking about it and find it bias!

There was supposed to be another candidate Founder of Harvey Norman was it George the govt reject his application as his 5Mil was not solely 1 entity as it’s combine so this ERROR BIAS was speechless

27/12/23, 5:59 pm - +Rama: The electorate has been played wholesale!

27/12/23, 6:04 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢

27/12/23, 6:08 pm - +Bhavani: Hi when it comes to teenagers, even girl teenagers, it can be impossible to get them to correct their ways if they don't care to listen, especially kids whose severe respiratory issues affect their mental health and cause them to suffer from ADHD and obsessive compulsive disorder, so they are extremely stubborn and refuse to obey due to their conditions. Such teenagers are extremely difficult to handle as they keep arguing non-stop and absolutely refuse to obey at all

27/12/23, 6:09 pm - +Rama: Agree

27/12/23, 6:09 pm - +Bhavani: Only the parents of such teenagers can understand how painful it is to face disobeying teenagers

27/12/23, 6:10 pm - +Rama: Sometimes it's the upbringing

27/12/23, 6:10 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why is it right to punish the parents when the child misbehave - as collective punishment?

27/12/23, 6:11 pm - +Bhavani: Yes it's very unfair to punish parents when the teenagers due to their conditions disobey

27/12/23, 6:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or if child commit crime - got jail, parents must also go to jail because parents give birth to him.

Thus does it sounds right?

27/12/23, 6:12 pm - +Rama: Counselling is needed

27/12/23, 6:14 pm - +Bhavani: I have tried sending my teenager to school counselling and online family service centre counselling. Nothing has helped at all. She behaves well at school but disobeys at home.

27/12/23, 6:15 pm - +Bhavani: if the child commits a crime, only the child must be punished, certainly not the parents if they have tried their best to raise the child right

27/12/23, 6:16 pm - +Bhavani: For example, she does not sleep on time and always keeps using the phone

27/12/23, 6:16 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is the message I am trying to drive.

Else it becomes a witch hunt.

27/12/23, 6:17 pm - +Bhavani: She says she has homework online

27/12/23, 6:18 pm - +Bhavani: I can't believe she spends so many hours doing homework online but I think she is telling the truth because she has good grades

27/12/23, 6:19 pm - +Bhavani: But grades are not enough character is much more important

27/12/23, 6:20 pm - +Bhavani: Obeying parents in simple matters like going to sleep early is extremely important, otherwise they will end up with multiple health conditions

27/12/23, 6:21 pm - +Bhavani: My child gets aggressive, angry and shouts the next day if she does not sleep early, yet disobeys me and sleeps late every night

27/12/23, 6:22 pm - +Bhavani: I can't blame her also because all the homework is given online

27/12/23, 6:23 pm - +Bhavani: She spends hours doing homework online till late at night and this is also a reason for her to sleep late.

27/12/23, 6:25 pm - +Bhavani: I have been suffering the whole sec 1 year trying to get her to sleep on time but to no avail

27/12/23, 6:26 pm - +Bhavani: It has become a nightmare for me

27/12/23, 6:27 pm - +Rama: But you have perseverance

27/12/23, 6:28 pm - +Bhavani: I try to have perseverance, but with my multiple serious medical conditions, it is a real ordeal

27/12/23, 6:37 pm - +Thank You: I learnt that children is a mirror of the parent.  TBH it’s is not easy, it’s all about discipline and more……I went through various counselling like EMCC that charge $180/hr it depends….

We’re not in each individual shoe hence can’t compare the father who killed the twins was under tremendous stress w/o any help Haiz 🙏

27/12/23, 6:38 pm - +Thank You: True LHL and LHY are child of LKY. have different POV well the spouse plus a part

27/12/23, 6:38 pm - +Thank You: Plays*

27/12/23, 6:48 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

27/12/23, 6:49 pm - +Smiley face: Parenting 2.0?

Make yourself and your spouse the BFF of your kids! One way to bond and another means to build trust, forever?

27/12/23, 6:58 pm - +Smiley face: Continuation: Part 3/9

(Accelerating Performances & Pitfalls: Jung, Maslow, Da Vinci, Deming, Einstein, Galileo, Moore and more?)

December 27, 2023

"Universal Concepts: Ignorance, Innocence, Arrogance"

"Kill a chicken with a machete, use a cannon to shoot a bird."

(杀鸡用牛刀，大炮射小鸟)

What does the meaning of this sentence, the deeper concept, what does it mean if we look at it the other way around?

(reversal & repetitive)

How can so many things go right, go completely wrong, or failed and lives lost at a critical moment in a situation and the circumstances, both known and unknown?

"Rise & Fall & Rise? If you believes in history repeating itself, if you believes in the power of geography and humanity and if you believes in the natural path of balance; you are in a conscious state of an infinite being! The rising of a civilisation and the falling of another civilisation replaced the former with the latter is an evolution of the realm of reality regardless of ideology, individuality, cultures, history, politics, economics and environments."

- - anonymity 

In order to attain credit or merit, you need to be successful in your endeavour, your job or your abilities in risk taking. All of these examples are quantifiable success that is measured by the quantum of contributions to society whether is in monetary or non monetary means. What other angle can we redefine success and failure, it's a mirror effect?

People see people learned, people loves to compare with others!

Let's talk indepth on failure itself. What constituents failure or failed? Why failures are never a celebration whereas the champion of tangibles are always the hero of the day? What is the price (tag) and the target to change the mindsets of people to be fearless of failures and acknowledge these mistakes or missteps and retry to correct what have gone wrong from the beginning of a process or a person's life and the ways he or she organised and take responsibilities regardless of good or bad times and cumulatively turning into a big disaster that can be too late to salvage or to save lives. 

How will society rewards these failed attempts through forgiveness and looking through the victims' eyes and the eyes of the people who failed multiple times? There are limitations to forgiveness, compassion, and chances. 

In 1934/35 the Long March and followed by the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976), the former campaign did not work, millions of lives lost and it failed in misery all for the sake of equality, power & politics, poverty, and control of a population of 480 millions given the circumstances and situations of China after a prolonged civil war between the Nationalists, the Communists and factions and warlords. It was not an easy task to balance many existential contestations of needs and wants that led its people to the birth of the People's Republic of China on October 1, 1949. Proudly, the present day modern China with over 1.4 billions people.

            - - in progress - -

27/12/23, 7:01 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 519 - What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?

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15 Dec 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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15/12/23, 9:58 am - +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢*

According to the Labour Market Report Third Quarter 2023 released on Thursday (14 Dec) by the Ministry of Manpower (MOM), the overall demand for labour in Singapore showed signs of cooling, with job vacancies declining to 78,400 (from a peak of 126,000 in March 2022). This was despite growth sectors like healthcare and financial services helping to push up employment numbers. 

*💬 What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?*

In the report, MOM said that the ratio of job vacancies to unemployed people stood at 1.58 in September 2023, down from 1.94 in June 2023. Vacancies in growth sectors, which are associated with higher productivity and pay, made up nearly one-third of the overall job vacancies available, MOM added. 

Growth in the total number employed also slowed to 23,600 workers in September 2023, down from a high of 75,900 workers in September 2022. Of this number, resident employment (Singaporeans and PRs) grew by 2,800, while non-resident employment grew by 20,800. 

Retrenchments also increased from 3,200 in June 2023 to 4,110 in September 2023. However, resident re-entry rates improved from 59.4% in June 2023 to 65.3% in September 2023, indicating that Singaporeans and PRs were more likely to secure reemployment after retrenchment.  

In the conclusion of the report, MOM said: "While the labour market continued to expand, the pace of employment growth has slowed compared to a year ago. Economic headwinds will continue to weigh on the labour market going forward."

"The Government encourages employers and workers to make full use of available programmes to remain competitive and resilient amidst economic uncertainty. We encourage employers to press on with business transformation and equip their workers for expanded or redesigned job roles. Workers are encouraged to continue to upskill and be open to new opportunities," MOM added.  

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15/12/23, 10:39 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR MORE* from you! 

*💬 What are your views on the current labour market in Singapore? Is there more that can be done to ensure that Singaporeans have access to quality jobs?*

Megan 😊

15/12/23, 10:47 am - +Tortoise: Maybe stop the mass import of CECA vermin with fake degrees?

15/12/23, 10:48 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore EDB and PMET need to open more markets for investment job opportunities and new skill position. Ai engineers going push up advanced technology. 

Currently old job opportunities are no longer in position example production operator already replaced by machine automation speed and 24/7.

15/12/23, 10:49 am - +Frankie Wee: 1970 to 2024 or next 2030 things are different and economy fast growing

15/12/23, 10:52 am - +Jimmy Chew: I was scolded by a classmate (52 years old) attending a coaching course that the problem with unemployment is because of the government bad planning. Hard to convinced him that's it the world economic situation and covid has affected the job market. He glorified LKY and the old guards for creating jobs etc. Are there truth to his accusations? Not sure how many folks are feeling like him, disenchanted by the job market <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 10:53 am - +Frankie Wee: Stop the foreigner making fake certificates or BA bring in sg career and unprofessional job description than action. They are well skill speaker

15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Frankie Wee: So far it’s already ahead Ai many thing turn into bad crime

15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Tortoise: Maybe impose regulations that HR has to be Singaporean.

Stop these CECA vermin from bringing their whole village over

15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Smiley face: Yesterday was Bee Gees, today is Taylor Swift ?

15/12/23, 10:54 am - +Jimmy Chew: maybe the government need to make Singaporean face reality that there are better people out there. hahaha

15/12/23, 10:55 am - +Smiley face: Telephone to Handphone?

15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: Government is failed more than trusted foreign skill but fake degree unnoticed.

15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Jimmy Chew: going forward I understand there will be no phone!

15/12/23, 10:56 am - +Frankie Wee: Very old already 

Believe me future is change 😅

15/12/23, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: New regulations and measures and relook at the existing policies.

15/12/23, 10:57 am - +KL: u can change more,  than one day u find all ur NSF and NSmen not in Singapore <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 10:57 am - +Smiley face: That's the point.... evolution.

15/12/23, 10:57 am - +KL: all in JB :)

15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: you must see all in a bigger picture not got money u let so many ppl in when got issue u ask NS to protect u all <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 10:58 am - +Smiley face: Moving the geographical line, up North? Any benefits?

15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: Maybe u need to check in a weekend u activate got how many ppl can be recall in time

15/12/23, 10:58 am - +KL: u find all struck at cause way haha

15/12/23, 10:59 am - +KL: if all went oversea to work then bigger problem

15/12/23, 10:59 am - +Smiley face: Find a new way.... another causeway into Tampines area? Undersea or straight bridge?

15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Smiley face: Wow!

Let's think deeper...

15/12/23, 11:00 am - +KL: that not the point dear

15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: $100B project for rising sea level by 2030 global warming

15/12/23, 11:00 am - +KL: Can cant teach u the whole set without monetary benefit

15/12/23, 11:00 am - +Frankie Wee: Singapore need make use of it project

15/12/23, 11:01 am - +KL: That just a minor example

15/12/23, 11:52 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I feel that foreigners workers are not the main contributor to the soft labour market in Singapore currently.

I feel that the following problems could be the contributing factors:-

1. Global economy not doing very well, poor consumers sentiment - notably China market,  and other major developed markets.

2. High interest rate, poor investment climate to develop business opportunities and create jobs.

3. Tech disruptors eg. AI - that disrupt jobs.

15/12/23, 12:07 pm - +KL: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 12:08 pm - +Timothy Low: My friend and his colleagues just got retrenched. The boss employed Malaysians based in Malaysia to replace the Singapore team and shared that he can employ 3 Malaysians at the price of 1 Singaporean employee

15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +KL: Sad to heard that , what their industry ? can AI help to avoid this ? Since we here got many AI expert can ask them to help to get soln on job retainment :) <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Agree, but to those who lost their jobs, it's an excuse, because our leaders are really brilliant thinkers

15/12/23, 12:09 pm - +Jimmy Chew: our at least the administration, maybe we employ the wrong calibre?

15/12/23, 12:10 pm - +Jimmy Chew: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: can the authorities look into this, these adverts announced Ho Ching name with impunity. It should be taken off the YouTube and internet, I tried to download the video but I can't.

15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: am now sure who to send to

15/12/23, 12:11 pm - +KL: I saw haha in youtube right I complain to google

15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +Timothy Low: Customer service related and it’s one of a biggest local company

15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +Jimmy Chew: oh, but google I am sure have lost of complaints hahaha, they are serving the world

15/12/23, 12:12 pm - +KL: i managed to got all screen shot but not approaite to share it .

15/12/23, 12:13 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Aiyah, in the days of old leadership, they were able to navigate the waters of industrilizatoin, info technology, labour disputes etc. so to the old there is no excuse

15/12/23, 12:14 pm - +Jimmy Chew: oh, it needs to stop, I have been getting pretty often..

15/12/23, 12:14 pm - +KL: Why no warning to google  issue ? fake news right ? <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:15 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am sure there's someone watching these social media to trigger action, if not they are sleeping, because it becomes so common

15/12/23, 12:16 pm - +KL: no la this proof they not watching youtube when work at home :)or maybe those watching don't dare to report, those need to monitor overslept <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:16 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Are we really employing the right calibre for the job of navigating Singapore future to provide jobs and sustainability, I believe so, but some seniors don't think so!

15/12/23, 12:17 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am sure they do it after office hours for example,  if I see something nefarious about my company, I would report to my PR folks, even after office hours. They so robotic, say nothing do nothing, not see something say something hahaha <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: so nothing happens is it true?

15/12/23, 12:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: or they say, this is not my job hahaha

15/12/23, 12:20 pm - +Jimmy Chew: maybe we should be teaching more good values in school to the future generations. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:21 pm - +~.@: there's a small icon for the ad center u can file a report

15/12/23, 12:22 pm - +~.@: i did that. maybe more reports will make them remove it

15/12/23, 12:24 pm - +KL: Not sure u report or not. i report at least few time also still see it <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:25 pm - +KL: by righ the AI should not even let me see it since it not my LIKE

15/12/23, 12:27 pm - +KL: I think Got learn 好公民。 Not sure our imported population study the same or not <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:28 pm - +KL: u need to proof it from Youtube . so when screen shot need to include the logo best is the link as well .

15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +KL: i think best is you screen shot after 3 min got a better view..

15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +~.@: i report to Google

15/12/23, 12:29 pm - +~.@: that ad center is a google ad center

15/12/23, 12:38 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://payboy.sg/foreign-worker-quota-a-guide-for-employers-in-singapore/

FOREIGN WORKER QUOTA: A GUIDE FOR EMPLOYERS IN SINGAPORE.

15/12/23, 12:41 pm - +Ben: How do you define 'quality' ?

15/12/23, 12:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I guess there is a foreign workers quota - dependency ratio.

A company cannot employ no Singaporeans but all cheaper foreign workers.

If a company fire all Singaporeans team and employ all Malaysian workers - can file a report to mom to take actions against the company.

The company will be ban from hiring foreign workers.

15/12/23, 12:44 pm - +KL: if i put my ah gong ah ma , uncle auntie and grand aunt and godmother as employee <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless the company have many ah gong, ah mah, grand aunt.

I guess this company is not high value added companies that employ "quality" job candidates.

Then must as well seek better quality jobs with better career prospects.

15/12/23, 12:48 pm - +KL: : )

15/12/23, 12:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also if the ah gong, ah ma, aunt, uncle are not in the company payroll, CPF etc - then the companies are engage in cheating the mom labour law.

Companies will be haul up in court.

15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +Frankie Wee: Service cleaner

15/12/23, 12:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence I don't believe foreigners are the one that contribute to the soft labour market in Singapore.

It is more the soft business sentiment, poor business and soft consumer demands - that results in soft labour market.

15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +KL: Good that what i thinking if anyone know

15/12/23, 12:51 pm - +KL: That the different about  i feel and I saw <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 12:52 pm - +Timothy Low: Now companies very clever. They shift the operation to overseas so that they can employ more foreigners without breaking the quota

15/12/23, 12:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore is sinking population low rate. Can foreigners understand Singapore is strictly law.

15/12/23, 12:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well I speak to a few auntie and uncle in the various mall Foodcourts - they told me they are Singaporeans.

Except in punggol Mall Foodcourt - half are foreigners mainly China nationals, some Indians nationals - and the other half Singaporeans.

So I think the foreigners workers quota stick.

Companies won't want to mess with the labour law.

If complains go up to mom - companies have more to lose.

15/12/23, 12:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: New technology soon 2030 we will what look in the world changed.

All is automatically service like example no one want to work as cleaner toilets 🚽. So robots 🤖 take over human job.

15/12/23, 12:58 pm - +KL: if AI going to clean toilet why NEA need to implement P3 and P4 kids to wash toilet ?

15/12/23, 12:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: Kid have to learning self discipline

15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: If not teach kidding behaviour then how to understand meaning living self.

15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +KL: i don't see how wash toilet can instill self disapline?

15/12/23, 12:59 pm - +KL: Neverthless we should go back to today topic haha. i do agree to u in some point like self living <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: Maybe kindergarten school will put up technology then kid said wow very keen to learn

15/12/23, 1:00 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If companies shift their operations to overseas instead of Singapore - that means Singapore is losing our business competitiveness to lower cost countries.

It also means, low value added jobs and business can no longer benefit from Singapore high value added economy and are shifting to low cost countries.

This phenomenon happens most of the time as Singapore move up our business chain and labour value chain.

Hence our workers need to constantly upgrade and our business need to constantly transform into high value added business.

15/12/23, 1:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://cde.nus.edu.sg/edic/projects/innovations-in-intelligent-systems/hivebotics/

15/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: I believe Covid-19 come in toilet unhygienic when human get infections 😅

15/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore rising Covid-19 maybe must be in toilet 🚽😅 <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:10 pm - +KL: that why i say no need to learn clean toilet hahaha .

15/12/23, 1:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: Public or coffeeshop so smelly

15/12/23, 1:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: Every time people paying 10 or 20 cent enter toilet. But still unhygienic

15/12/23, 1:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: Uncle or auntie just sit collect $0.10 just for sleep

15/12/23, 1:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Contrary to what some people believe that companies are not employing, I know of some hi-tech companies are facing talents shortage and are not able to recruit more Singaporeans talents, specifically R&D talents.

Existing staff need to double up to cover the shortage.

15/12/23, 1:15 pm - +KL: Actually we all know retrench to hire lower pay .

15/12/23, 1:16 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I means some talents are leaving the companies for higher pay jobs.

Despite the companies just increase the pay and new round of promotion for good performers. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: But they have credit Skillsfuture

15/12/23, 1:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: Going through e-learning upskill

Salary may low but no choice if they have enough cover themselves CPF

15/12/23, 1:20 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 1:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

So if Singaporeans labour are trained in high value added skillsets - I think the labour demand is there with good salary offer.

15/12/23, 1:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 1:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 1:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 1:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://grabjobs.co/resources/career-resources/job-search/most-in-demand-technology-jobs-singapore/

15/12/23, 1:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. IT infrastructure professionals can transform and upgrade into cloud computing infrastructure, Cybersecurity, telecom network infrastructure professionals etc.

IT application developers can transform and upgrade into full stack application and web developers, AI (GAI, ML, NLP, LLM, python coders etc) data analytics, mobile apps developers, cloud apps, blockchain developers, etc

In IT field, there are shortages in such high tech talents and salaries very good. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Of course companies cannot employ ah gong, ah ma, auntie and uncle in the companies and make up the rest by foreign workers. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:38 pm - +Telephone number: Hotel housekeeping basic $1,800 before any allowance they can earn up to $2,500 and they’re from “Vietnam” quite a number China/malaysia lesser. Omg recall 1 can even afford an Apple Watch 😳

15/12/23, 1:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also Quantum computing, nuclear fusion scientists, sustainability professionals, future food expertise etc - are also of high demand. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 1:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: Elderly accept and self respect new skill. They too old health matter and acknowledge will dropping. 

Elderly can service as office cleaner

15/12/23, 1:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 1:59 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

15/12/23, 2:02 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well I always check the ground and match with the government policies - old, new or just implemented government policies - to see how well the government policies impact the people directly.

This is to ensure policies implemented are not lip service but actually directly helping the Singaporeans and Singapore residents.

And I noticed, many government policies - some we like, some we are not very happy about (but benefitted the country as a whole) and some are mostly good but may have some gaps need to plug as some people may have fallen through the crack.

Hence, I strongly believe many issues raise in REACH directly benefit Singaporeans and residents as well as the country as a whole.

Last but not least, we must correct misperceptions from the public based on misinformation from social media, individuals with political affiliation or just misinformed public.

Always stick to right facts and credible sources - so that the public overall are not misled.

This is important come GE - to elect the right government to be in power - as our stakes must not be left to chance.

Too many misled voters in other countries - bring turmoil into the political scene and bring about unstable government.

Hence we must not let it happen in Singapore - as we are a little red dot with no buffer and hinterland. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 2:03 pm - +Telephone number: Lol my 21yrs old daughter cannot find job.  Her previous WSD Word Study Diploma SME only pay her $1,700 when they can claim back from Govt and no overtime and bonus so pathetic such a bully the company name CMA

15/12/23, 2:04 pm - +Telephone number: Precisely not lip service

15/12/23, 2:07 pm - +Rama: Government must plug this loophole!

15/12/23, 2:08 pm - +Rama: Yes

15/12/23, 2:09 pm - +Rama: Soon to be replaced by robots cleaning and qr code collection

15/12/23, 2:10 pm - +Rama: Yes

15/12/23, 2:10 pm - +Rama: Another loophole!

15/12/23, 2:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Just to bring up some fact checks that are raise in REACH and how government implemented it:-

I. *Anti-scam measures*

1. Anti-scam mobile apps for 3 local banks and 1 foreign bank implemented (very good).

2. Money lock:-

a. DBS 

- FD lock (very good)

- DigiVault for savings account (very good)

b. OCBC

- saving account money lock (very good)

- but no FD money lock 

Both also no money lock for:

- apply loan online

- extend credit limit

(That means if scammers get hold of victims banking credentials - can apply bank loans or spend its credit card up to maximum limit) - causing victims to incur heavy debts and debt interest.

This needs to be plug - as this is a gap.

c. CPF money lock - allow maximum $2,000 withdrawal but can lock up to $0. (Very good). <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 2:18 pm - +Telephone number: ……………………………………

15/12/23, 2:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

II. *Housing*

1. I give a 9 out of 10 grading to Housing Minister for ramping up bto flats in many estate - new and mature estate in such a short time.

And the subscribing ratio come down from more than 10 : 1 from previous balloting to < 1 : 1 and for the most popular area about 4 : 1.

A very notable improvement for people who need to own flats.

2. However I will like to highlight some gaps that need to be plug:-

a. 5 room flats are in high demand - notice in some areas there are no 5 room flats - only 3 rooms and 4 rooms flat.

Notice 3 rooms flats are very low in demand - grossly under subscribe - will HDB consider offering more 5 room flats based on demand even in popular areas?

b. Income ceiling criteria for bto flats is a concern which I have articulated in depth of the justification that need to scrap the income ceiling criteria.

Hope HDB consider scrapping the income ceiling criteria for bto flats.

15/12/23, 2:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Ceca mass foreign employment is a political led movement that no longer apply in current Singapore context - based on foreign workers quota.

Hence this misperceptions must be corrected. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 2:25 pm - +Rama: How!?

15/12/23, 2:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Any statistics or report that show mass foreign workers under Ceca causing problems in Singapore?

I didn't see any.

15/12/23, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Construction workers I see - but no local Singaporeans want to do.

White collars - I didn't see any.

15/12/23, 2:31 pm - +Tortoise: No one has issues with Bangladeshi Construction workers, or even the Indian Manual Workers.

It's the CECA Vermin working in white collar jobs that are the issue.

15/12/23, 2:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But no longer the case nowadays.

The foreign workers quota has stopped it. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 2:32 pm - +KL: They change to other countries is it ? :)

15/12/23, 2:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's is not our concern.

15/12/23, 2:33 pm - +KL: why not our concern ?

15/12/23, 2:33 pm - +KL: 2 million ppl is alot

15/12/23, 2:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not in our country, how will it affect us?

15/12/23, 2:34 pm - +Tortoise: https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/comments/18hdqhe/why_dont_cecas_know_how_to_control_their_kids_in/

Juist see here for complaints

15/12/23, 2:35 pm - +Tortoise: If it's not an issue, why are the ground still bitching about the CECA vermin and their behaviour?

15/12/23, 2:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

What's this?

15/12/23, 2:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Firstly, this social media lack credibility.

People just ranting off.

Don't even know who they are.

And seriously people call this statistics or report?

15/12/23, 2:37 pm - +Tortoise: https://www.brightworkresearch.com/how-indian-it-workers-discriminate-against-non-indian-workers/

15/12/23, 2:37 pm - +Tortoise: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 2:38 pm - +Tortoise: yes, please defend the CECA vermin and their behaviour.]

15/12/23, 2:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I will like to see *credible sources* that report any companies that breach the foreign workers quota.

15/12/23, 2:40 pm - +Neeyor: Please stop calling Indian professionals vermin. It makes you a racist and a bigot.

15/12/23, 2:41 pm - +Tortoise: Up yours you CECA vermin apologist

15/12/23, 2:41 pm - +Neeyor: And use of such language against minorities is a crime under Singapore penal code

15/12/23, 2:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And your source is 2019.

Now is 2023.

Btw, who is this research company - is it a credible research sources!

Commission by who to do this research?

15/12/23, 2:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Agree.

15/12/23, 2:44 pm - +Rama: Nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade!

15/12/23, 2:44 pm - +Rama: Selective prosecution

15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Rama: True

15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Ben: Correct - I'm disgusted to see this sort of language being used. @REACH needs to take action. I appreciate this is an open forum for people to speak openly about their views, but racism has no place in Singapore.

15/12/23, 2:45 pm - +Rama: Don't forget prc/pinoy and westerners too!

15/12/23, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Superior air head pea brain!

15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Tortoise: So it's racism when we complain, but when they kick you out of a job it's free market economics?

15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Double standards!😳😞🤦‍♂️😖😡😳

15/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Ben: Complaint is ok, but name calling is not.

15/12/23, 2:49 pm - +Ben: What is your Complaint?

15/12/23, 2:49 pm - +Tortoise: How is it name calling?

They came in under CECA and they swarm like vermin displacing locals from their jobs

15/12/23, 2:50 pm - +Tortoise: Calling a spade a spade

15/12/23, 2:50 pm - +Ben: OMG - I think you are about to be kicked out of here. I feel sorry for you and your bitterness.

15/12/23, 2:51 pm - +Rama: CECA  Indian name calling is not racist but a acronym for a agreement between government of Singapore and India. By the way, India will soon be known as Bharat so Ceca Bharat.

15/12/23, 2:51 pm - +Ben: You know we are not referring to CECA...

15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Ben: Calling people vermin and saying they are swarming the country is the sort of language Nazi used.

15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: sorry, I AM refering to CECA, specifially. I dont know what you are reffering to

15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Ben: Read my message then.

15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: whataboutyouisms

15/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Tortoise: really? you need to youse the NAZI analogy '?

15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Rama: That's the tag for Indians for Indians from India.

15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Ben: Calling people vermin and saying they swarm the country is exactly the type of language the Nazi used.

15/12/23, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Vermin sounds like from America!

15/12/23, 2:54 pm - +Ben: Again, calling people vermin is not acceptable.

15/12/23, 2:54 pm - +Rama: You have yet to hear the full list!

15/12/23, 2:55 pm - +Ben: What do you mean?

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15/12/23, 2:55 pm - +Ben: Really? This is all you say about racist abuse on the forum?

15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Tortoise: The objection is not Race Based.

It's Nationality based.

15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Rama: The name calling is worse!

15/12/23, 2:56 pm - +Tortoise: Have you ever worked with them?

15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Tortoise: I honestly don't think anyone who had ever had to work with them will object.

15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Living nearby with them and indirectly interaction in public places is disgusting!

15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: You have a lot to learn!

15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Tortoise: The 3 Condo's in Simei......

15/12/23, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Fine example!

15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Rama: Mandarin Gardens at one time too!

15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Ben: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 2:58 pm - +Rama: They wanted to change a Chinese restaurant to an Indian one!

15/12/23, 2:59 pm - +Ben: I can't believe what I'm reading.

15/12/23, 3:00 pm - +Tortoise: says a lot about your exposure to them

15/12/23, 3:00 pm - +Ben: I've taken screengrabs and will be reporting this to the police.

15/12/23, 3:01 pm - +Tortoise: Typical

15/12/23, 3:01 pm - +Sam: Yes Ben. This should not be tolerated. I am a Chinese and I am disgusted by this sort of language.

15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: What is about ?

15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Rama: There's more!

15/12/23, 3:02 pm - +Rama: There is a lot said about Chinese too!

15/12/23, 3:03 pm - +Rama: Good

15/12/23, 3:03 pm - +Rama: Wars throughout history always have ethnic cleansing and genocide issues!

15/12/23, 3:05 pm - +Ben: And you are promoting that behaviour, disgusting.

15/12/23, 3:05 pm - +Andrea: Hi, I’m not sure about your experiences with Indian nationals who are here under CECA, but I’ve met a few Indian nationals whose kids are my children’s classmates in school, and they have been nothing but kind and lovely. Not loud or disgusting in any way. They respect the school / teachers, are not demanding, and are polite and friendly. Perhaps you have had bad experiences with some of them, just like we all have had bad experiences with any other race or nationality.

15/12/23, 3:06 pm - +Sam: I thought this is a civilised group. It turns out that messages are mainly anti government, racist and one sided complaints. Although there are some genuine feedback, especially one given by Danny, but mostly just complaints.

15/12/23, 3:07 pm - +Rama: We all have to live with what we can't accept!

15/12/23, 3:08 pm - +Ben: I abide by the law.

15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Rama: Genuine frustration with imported second class Singapore citizen developing their own cluster in our country!

15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Rama: Not them!

15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Ben: Not you.

15/12/23, 3:09 pm - +Ben: You are the one causing conflict and disharmony.

15/12/23, 3:10 pm - +Rama: Unfortunately, you are blind until it hits you right in the face!

15/12/23, 3:15 pm - +Ben: It's worth considering if maybe you are the problem. Maybe you aren't very nice to some people due to bias and prejudice and as a result, they are not very nice to you.

15/12/23, 3:43 pm - +Rama: Dwell into marrying a Ceca Bharat and see the caste difference between gujerati, brain and a dalit. Understand the astrology associated with Indian customs, traditions.  Then, possibly your eyes will be opened and shocked.

15/12/23, 3:46 pm - +Telephone number: No one is ever a problem🙏

Just 一种米养百种人

1 Same rice feeds a hundred types of ppl with different perspectives.

15/12/23, 3:46 pm - +Rama: Good point

15/12/23, 3:51 pm - +Rama: A Indian girl friend of mine had a Chinese boy friend for ten years. He learned her dialect and could communicate with his future mother in law. Upon engagement, he chicken out after being pressured by his chinese friends!

15/12/23, 3:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Race is equal nothing is skin colour we are Singapore all are nice neighbours and nothing is bothering.

15/12/23, 3:54 pm - +Rama: Even amongst us locals, prejudice is there!

15/12/23, 3:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: I love Indian foods very delicious biryani mutton or chicken

15/12/23, 3:55 pm - +Rama: I love Chinese food!

15/12/23, 3:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: Buy from them they buy us from are same happy <This message was edited>

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15/12/23, 3:57 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

15/12/23, 3:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Like always, I will often try to check the ground.

About Ceca mass foreign workers, back in 5 years ago, I noticed many foreign workers in the following areas:-

1. Changi Business Park - mainly in IT.

2. Jurong East - mainly in IT and Engineering.

3. Shenton way - mainly in banks and finance.

But last year and this year specifically, I check the following areas again - and I discover a noticeable drop in foreign workers notably from Ceca.

1. I travel along the Changi Business Park and MRT lines - I did not observe many white-collar foreign Ceca workers. 

(5 years ago or more, I see many).

2. I went down to Shenton way a few times, also see a noticeable drop in ceca white collar foreign workers as oppose to few years ago when I see many.

3. I went to IMM a few times this year and last year, same observations - noticeable drop in ceca foreign workers.

4. I went to SBI bank in AMK - few years ago, all Indian nationals including bank manager and RM Manager.

Last year and this year, I went to the same bank, bank manager and RM Manager are Singaporeans Chinese, counter bank clerks are make up of Singaporean Chinese and 3 Indian nationals.

The auntie that serve drink and clean up the bank is a Singaporean Chinese.

Hence based on my observations, I conclude that the foreign workers quota dependency ratio do work - and the misperceptions that Ceca is chasing away local jobs is a past perceptions.

There could be some isolated and few cases - but at national level, this is my observations.

Unless someone can produce recent photos, videos, or credible sources, news or statistics to prove my observations is wrong.

Else I stand my ground that ceca problem is based on past perception - but not a major issue now.

15/12/23, 4:00 pm - +Rama: We seem to have multiple little ceca Indian enclave other than tekka!?

15/12/23, 4:01 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I am referring to offices, companies and jobs.

Not community and enclaves.

15/12/23, 4:01 pm - +Rama: Agree its a issue!

15/12/23, 4:02 pm - +Rama: Part and parcel no difference

15/12/23, 4:19 pm - ☸️  Danny 心:

 In fact in Shenton way a SBI bank, the RM Manager, an Indian national complain to me that the foreign workers quota dependency ratio favours local Singaporeans locals.

He told me that many of his Indian nationals country mates from different industry sectors need to leave Singapore after their EP and WP permit expires.

I hear this from the horse mouth.

And after I heard what he said few years ago, I specifically do physical checks as I mentioned above.

This indian national RM also no longer with the SBI bank - I believe he went home.

So I cannot accept the current arguments and perception that Ceca is taking mass jobs away from local Singaporeans.

Unless I am proven wrong by real sources and real statistics.

Don't present 2019 obsolete survey from not credible sources or quote some dubious social media.

Now is 2023 - 4 years away from the last report. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 4:23 pm - +Rama: The fact that they bring their families here and are given employment is a point of contention.

15/12/23, 4:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But I thought many jobs are reserved for Singaporeans.

As our economy is global and very big, Singaporeans cannot fill up all the jobs.

We need PRs and foreigners to hold our enormous economy.

Else investors will leave Singapore to other countries.

And many Singaporeans will lose our jobs.

15/12/23, 4:29 pm - +Rama: Was Ceca debate in Parliament prior to implementation widely explained to the general public!?

15/12/23, 4:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's in the past.

Now ceca problem has been corrected.

15/12/23, 4:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia many here worker less than Singaporean / PR

15/12/23, 4:30 pm - +Rama: Quietly or openly!?

15/12/23, 4:32 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.enterprisesg.gov.sg/grow-your-business/go-global/international-agreements/free-trade-agreements/find-an-fta/ceca

For those interested, please delve into the details of this highly complex and structured FTA to have a clearer understanding of the circumstances and the substances, aka CECA.

15/12/23, 4:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Use statistics, observe the number in companies and jobs.

15/12/23, 4:39 pm - +Smiley face: 15 December, 2023

"No Free Meals!"

What is tomorrow India and the past?

In the interest of Global financials,  in particular, capital markets, M&A and IPO.

The future looks like this: the big three plus one that is; New York, London and Singapore plus India.

Previously, Hong Kong on many occasions edged out SINGAPORE as the three party for equities and capitals.

In short, things have changed and it is developing) evolving faster as each day passed on...

The future? So what can Singapore benefits from CECA?

               - - in progress - -

15/12/23, 4:41 pm - +Rama: The floodgates will open when the special economic zone between johor and Singapore takes shape.

15/12/23, 4:44 pm - +Smiley face: https://mustsharenews.com/sgd-ringgit-rate/

Lagi teruk for some people or Lagi Shiok for others?

15/12/23, 4:45 pm - +Smiley face: Two ways to look at it or multiple ways?

dua cara untuk melihatnya?)

15/12/23, 4:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Again, the gate regulator is the "foreign workers quota dependency ratio".

The physical RTS LRT and the economic zone will not suddenly open the flood gates - because EP and WP will regulate business and jobs.

15/12/23, 4:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia worker happy earn salary here sg

15/12/23, 4:51 pm - +Smiley face: "Lagi Shiok or Lagi Teruk?

What if the Ringgit further weaken to 3.8 : 1 ?

From 3.5 to 3.8, it's 8% gain for some folks and others will suffer cumulatively 16%, both ways?

What about jobs and jobs security? For Singapore businesses who have Malaysia entities, it's a game changer for these folks? The bigger the exposure to Ringgit, the better these transfer pricing element to the bosses, aka SMEs and how about the big MNCs?

15/12/23, 4:52 pm - +Smiley face: How about the country's balance of payments, fiscal policies and the private arrangements?

A chance for arbitrage and or circumvention?

15/12/23, 4:53 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

To illustrate,

If economic zones attract 100 new business (100 workers per company) , the local versus foreign quota will correspondingly increase.

That is new 7,000 local workers and 3,000 foreign workers if the dependency ratio is 70:30.

So more local jobs produce (7,000 jobs) while foreign workers jobs (3,000 jobs) also generated.

There are no loss of jobs to locals.

Hence our discussion always based on facts, science, math calculations - and should not based on feelings, sentiments, hearsay, dubious social media gossip or non-credible survey, news or articles or obsolete news source. <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 4:56 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/india-overtakes-hong-kong-to-become-worlds-seventh-largest-stock-market.html

"No losers, the losers are those who have missed the boat! Why?"

- - anonymity

15/12/23, 4:58 pm - +Smiley face: Some folks say, SG is smart to have invested in two mega yachts; China+India!

15/12/23, 5:04 pm - +Rama: 1 to 3.51 currently

15/12/23, 5:05 pm - +Rama: This will take a hit!

15/12/23, 5:05 pm - +Rama: Yes

15/12/23, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: No losers!

15/12/23, 5:06 pm - +Smiley face: Continuation: Part 4/9

(Accelerating Performances & Pitfalls: Jung, Maslow and Deming and more?)

Preview...

The end goal is to redefine each SD into +/-2% in order to achieve the next level of scaling and the end results of a minimisation of the margin of errors of 2% or less which would translate into a confidence level of up to 99% accuracy and towards 100% perfect for portions of the enlarged roadmap of transition and transformation to a Super Scale Producer/Provider.

So what are metrics of a Hyper Scaler, beyond all proven betas?

(hint: it matters to the jobs of the future)

15/12/23, 5:10 pm - +Rama: I feel the way the issues of these foreigners supposedly taking away jobs from singaporeans is still not explained to the general public thus inviting unnecessary resentment.

15/12/23, 5:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: “Before I resigned as a nurse in 2014 in Malaysia, my basic salary was just RM2,700 (S$788.19) per month. In Singapore, the basic salary for a junior nurse at the time was around S$2,500 and that’s already equivalent to more than RM7,000. It makes a world of difference,” she said.

“Within two years I was able to settle the family’s debt for our home and (the loan for) a van - which my husband bought for his business. The extra income gave us peace of mind,” said the mother of a 10-year-old girl, who said her pay has increased at a “fair rate” annually, though she declined to reveal her income details.

15/12/23, 5:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/johor-workers-singapore-brain-drain-causeway-shortage-nurse-chef-3804751

15/12/23, 5:21 pm - +Frankie Wee: Malaysia fiscal policy weak current and high inflation than paying local job. Most of them coming to Singapore current dollars and making living to pay off debt.

15/12/23, 5:23 pm - +Smiley face: Cost is the cause of the displacement of jobs? Productivity is the course to profit?

15/12/23, 5:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: While Singaporean also cost of living level more than Malaysia what is opposite side weak and strength

15/12/23, 5:24 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore and Malaysia are the same neighbours as trade agreements.

15/12/23, 5:27 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/cna-explains-ringgit-weak-economy-us-dollar-singapore-dollar-2706766

What has the Malaysian government done to ease depreciation pressure? Would pegging the ringgit to the US dollar help? CNA asks the experts.

15/12/23, 5:27 pm - +Smiley face: Oh O! In trouble....?

15/12/23, 5:28 pm - +KL: If a local nurse saw this how would he/ she feel ?

15/12/23, 5:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

In Singapore, there are high demand for nurses.

15/12/23, 5:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The only problem is, does locals want a nursing job.

15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Smiley face: Elsewhere?

15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +KL: Got lah , i saw NUS nursing degree course i thgt

15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Can be the future change let’s said 2030 Malaysia will going hit SGD to Ringgit = RM$5.00 

I quite uncertain about the future

15/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singapore economy very stronger market.

15/12/23, 5:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Globally there are nursing shortages.

15/12/23, 5:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Covid-19 happened time to time again 

Frontline very exhausted

15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: Then how?

15/12/23, 5:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: How?

15/12/23, 5:32 pm - +Smiley face: Trouble?

15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Frankie Wee: I am not God but I can said why Covid-19 never cure still pandemic to epidemic

15/12/23, 5:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Trouble is, locals are not taking up nursing jobs.

15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Smiley face: Respiratory bugs ... fundamental issue

15/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Smiley face: Why?

15/12/23, 5:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

They are view as dirty, laborious and dangerous job.

15/12/23, 5:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: More avail job need if Ai able handle with human <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 5:35 pm - +Smiley face: Concepts of Quality & Quantity

15/12/23, 5:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 5:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sacrifice themself for save life

I have read news doctor death infection from Covid-19

15/12/23, 5:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Pay not that bad, but local take up rate - low.

15/12/23, 5:36 pm - +KL: u think local can surive with 2500 dollar ? <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 5:36 pm - +Smiley face: Let's better it and start encouraging the young ones and alter their perceptions and Mindsets.

15/12/23, 5:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh, I know of a family - 2 members survive on a $1,400 a month job.

15/12/23, 5:37 pm - +Smiley face: Pay scale and starting pay has to be recalibrated for our locals if we wish to have our own local nurses.

The concepts of ratio and cost

15/12/23, 5:38 pm - +KL: i don't think is nice if not oneself

15/12/23, 5:38 pm - +Smiley face: MSF and NPO should assist them.

15/12/23, 5:39 pm - +Smiley face: Will $600 additional help enough?

15/12/23, 5:39 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s worth

15/12/23, 5:41 pm - +Smiley face: Pls refer this Family to FSA or MSF or NPO like Breadline. If you could help to connect this family. Thanks!

15/12/23, 5:42 pm - +Smiley face: https://www.breadlinegroup.org/who-we-are/

15/12/23, 5:43 pm - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Rama: Hours, stress from patients and their families, unfair work load .

15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Smiley face: For the young and single?

The latest MND announcenent of the short term lease project for public housings is one good idea to expand further in the case of a young and single adult who is living with their ageing parents and aspires to book his or her first BTO and same time wishes to live on their own.

The three months lease period should be flexible to stretch to 360 days or four quarters. Should there be valid reasons due to the delay in the BTO process or construction, a further extension of the lease would be granted on a six months basis to these affected tenants. Other exceptions need further discussions and determined by MND. The rental adjustments will depend on the supply and demand of the general rental markets on a year to year basis.

Let's create a bit of happiness and reducing the anxiety for our young people.

15/12/23, 5:47 pm - +Rama: Tough

15/12/23, 5:48 pm - +Rama: Minimum sgd3k

15/12/23, 5:49 pm - +Smiley face: Fair !

15/12/23, 5:49 pm - +KL: Yes it is tough. I think it not right just to win an argument and speak like not their business. If one day their child become the same will they speak like that ? <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 5:50 pm - +Rama: True

15/12/23, 5:50 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I'm not sure whether this is the platform but I think it is okay to bring it up. What's the government doing with the no availability of art kits. I went to 5 places and they apologized no kits . Hahaha I have all the symptoms and as a responsible citizen I want to know if I have COVID but got no test kit. How? <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 5:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everyone got vaccinated done recorded in app Heath hub Covid-19 since date. Then this years seek to increase infection rates. That’s mean our vaccine already expired they will come back anytime.

What’s govt said make ensure we all must hygiene and protect ourselves.

15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +Jimmy Chew: So taking it as flu. No testing?

15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Few of my colleagues got come back 2nd and 3rd time late get well MC 5 days

15/12/23, 5:54 pm - +KL: I buy from Qoo10 few days ago need 2 days delivery. additional 10 dollar to protect family should be good deal compare to family kanna covid  Not cheap thou <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 5:55 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Thanks

15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Rama: Wait for SMS

15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Beware caution if they sell fake kit art won’t work

15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Check ensure license

15/12/23, 5:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Many scam will trying new things.

15/12/23, 5:59 pm - +Frankie Wee: Apple and Android card top up no avail at 7-11 outlet local I surprised what’s happened.

15/12/23, 6:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

15/12/23, 6:03 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thanks

15/12/23, 6:10 pm - +Smiley face: Cheers!

15/12/23, 6:20 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 6:21 pm - +Rama: The centre is for!?

15/12/23, 6:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well, I feel that allowing 1 side - right side for people to walk through - can pose some danger to commuters.

Because sometimes people in a rush try to push through causing people to fall or the things they carry to drop.

Wonder only a few seconds, the escalator will reach the bottom or top - it cultivate graciousness and patience.

So Japan's approach to MRT escalator worth pondering over.

15/12/23, 6:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

15/12/23, 6:29 pm - +Bhavani: Yes especially for those with disabilities, it is a real hazard when others try to rush past <This message was edited>

15/12/23, 6:29 pm - +Rama: Agree

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15/12/23, 6:58 pm - +Smiley face: 15 December, 2023

"360/360 approach to job seekers , the prospect of FDI and the critical window of economics"

Synopsis:

"Within 360 days, you look around 360 across sectors to seek for a new job.  One consideration is to make use of the 360 days to reskill or upskill and priortise your needs and expectations.

Beyond the timeline of 360 days, things get tougher especially for ageing workers 50 years and older. 

The general outlook of any job markets, this case in a highly developed country, will change and this unavoidable reality coupled with the dynamic of the job markets to contract due to the contraction of the overall business activities (cash flows & short term liabilities) plus the interconnectivity from the developing to the developed economies across the geography of the world. 

One down and the next three shall follow similar trends of hiring and firing of workers. So where are the safety measures for any economy and workers, all alike in the same boat? Proactive interventions from the perspective of microeconomics (because the macro is weak) to craft several sustainable economic policies to tie over bad times for both the businesses and the workers that are classified as middle-class and below, it can be up to 8Qs of buffering and costing of up to $2.2 billions - $2.5 billions per year and/or further tax and non-tax incentives to entice qualified and big contributors of FDI to invest, and/or calibrated protectionism at the outer core of the domestic economy. 

It's timely once again for the unions and the Manpower Ministry double up to provide supports to affected workers."

- - anonymity 

https://mustsharenews.com/sgd-ringgit-rate/

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/johor-workers-singapore-brain-drain-causeway-shortage-nurse-chef-3804751

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13 Dec 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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13/12/23, 9:59 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

Singapore has seen an increase in COVID-19 infections over the past two weeks. According to the Ministry of Health (MOH), the estimated number of COVID-19 cases in the week of Nov 26 to Dec 2 rose to 32,035, compared with 22,094 cases in the previous week. 

Major retailers are reporting a jump in the sale of items related to COVID-19 such as masks, ART kits, as well as cold and flu medicine, with figures ranging from a 20 per cent to a 50 per cent increase over the past few weeks. 

*💬 What are your views on the recent surge in COVID-19 cases? How can Singapore better cope with rising case totals and ease the strain on our healthcare system?*

📌 Antigen rapid test (ART) kits

MOH said that it maintains a stockpile of ART kits and will release it to support retailers if the need arises. It advises the public to purchase ART kits in quantities that are sufficient only for immediate needs.

MOH has urged the public not to hoard ART kits as Covid-19 cases spike here. Retailers and pharmacies here have a sufficient supply and have placed fresh orders to meet growing demand.

📌 Hospitals are monitoring Singapore's Covid-19 situation

While MOH noted that the numbers of hospitalisations and intensive care unit (ICU) cases are not as high as they were during the pandemic, and there is no indication that the variants circulating locally are more transmissible or cause more severe disease, the rise in cases has added to the workload at hospitals, which are already busy.

The National University Health System (NUHS) and SingHealth said on Monday (Dec 11) that hospitals in Singapore are monitoring the COVID-19 situation in the country closely and are ready to increase their capacity if needed.

The NUHS spokesperson added that only people with serious or life-threatening emergencies – such as chest pain, breathlessness and uncontrollable bleeding – should visit the emergency department as this allows those in need of emergency care to be attended to quickly and helps to preserve hospital capacity for those who truly need acute hospital care.

📌 Combating fake news

Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in a Facebook post on 11 Dec that information circulating online that the Government is planning to reinstate a circuit breaker is false. He also said posts and messages showing him endorsing commercial products were deepfakes. “These are all falsehoods,” DPM Wong said, urging the public to “stay vigilant and discerning online”. 

👉 https://str.sg/iYkC

👉 https://str.sg/ifFX

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-hospitals-remaining-vigilant-ready-respond-changing-needs-nuhs-singhealth-3979656?cid=internal_sharetool_androidphone_12122023_cna

👉 https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/dpm-wong-says-rumours-circuit-breaker-measures-and-posts-him-endorsing-products-are-fake

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13/12/23, 10:24 am - +Anti-vaxx: 1. I never take even 1 jab

2. ⁠what’s the purpose of ART lol

3. ⁠there’s a window period by the time you eat with your family you then u know they got covid you’re already exposed so……haiz why waste money??? 🤦‍♀️

Most importantly is tech children dun share straw utensils etc

13/12/23, 10:25 am - +Anti-vaxx: Keep your immunity strong

13/12/23, 10:25 am - +Frankie Wee: Govt said no need restriction Covid-19 when wave is not high rate

13/12/23, 10:27 am - +Frankie Wee: But maybe will come back wave 3 times appear new virus 🦠 

Then plan aids, mask and hand disinfection. When there insufficient stock.

13/12/23, 10:29 am - +Rama: Take the vaccination as recommended and hope for the best.

13/12/23, 10:31 am - +Telephone number: Yes this is the best.

13/12/23, 10:31 am - +Telephone number: Please vaccinate yourselves. Don't gamble with your life.

13/12/23, 10:34 am - +Frankie Wee: Scare of vaccine will kill

13/12/23, 10:43 am - +Ben: It's a flu, and for those vaccinated it's a few days of feeling ill. This is not 2020 when we didn't know what it was and we were not protected. I've had 5 vax jabs and happy to feel I've done what I can. I don't think we need circuit breakers and isolation measures imposed.

13/12/23, 10:59 am - +Kenneth Lee WM: is bird flu more worrying?

is straitstimes, it was reported that nparks receive 7000+ bird issues feedback, they only manage to get about 100+ culprits! 

all the public funds used to deploy CCTV and the staff in charge of bird issues, looks like the only good use of the person is to send a 6900+ responses saying that they are monitoring the situation. <This message was edited>

13/12/23, 11:02 am - +Anti-vaxx: lol people who take vaccination got covid and was worst than me and it’s a doctor

13/12/23, 11:02 am - +Anti-vaxx: She said she shouldn’t have take it

13/12/23, 11:03 am - +Anti-vaxx: I’ve know many who took it either died or Haiz……well those who are safe are really thank god

13/12/23, 11:03 am - +Anti-vaxx: TBH if you give me 1 million I will also not take it

13/12/23, 11:08 am - +Anti-vaxx: No one trusted me then slowly my mil sees her brother and her daughter father Inlaw died after taking the jab then she stops taking.

13/12/23, 11:09 am - +Anti-vaxx: As they go out market on the bus to public got people share the adverse effect after the jab what happens to them.

13/12/23, 11:18 am - +Ben: "I’ve know many who took it either died" .....         How many people do you know that had the vaccine and died?

13/12/23, 11:19 am - +Ben: Many people die in road crashes - does that mean you won't get in a car?

13/12/23, 11:24 am - +Terrie Wong: I will only take traditional Vax like Sinovax/Sinopharm or Novavax. 

-  Hope they come up with vaxxes for the new COVID strains soon.

-  Will not take the MRNA ones. 

Experienced sad stories of sudden deaths of people I know following those MRNA vaccinations.

13/12/23, 11:27 am - +Smiley face: 13 December, 2023

" Rewriting the Tricky Bug Story!"

"Either you are immuned, immune compromised or you are the exceptional beings?"

- - anonymity

13/12/23, 11:31 am - +Terrie Wong: Car crashes are due to unfortunate accidents due to exposure.

-  MRNA vaxx deaths are risks due to deliberate injections to the body of chemicals which have not had sufficient trial history.

-  Remember the deformed babies born after their mothers were prescribed thalidomide medication?

13/12/23, 11:36 am - +Anti-vaxx: 📸 Watch this video on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/AWndaoSE87pE9xdR/?mibextid=CmRSLE

Last year i share tis video...china removed lockdown..."covid is just a flu"

13/12/23, 11:37 am - +Ben: It's everyone's individual choice of course - just not good to be spreading fear about a vaccine that doesn't just save lives, but also prevents serious illness. We know this because before the vaccine people were dying in their tens of thousands. After the vaccine was administered there are now almost no deaths from covid.

13/12/23, 11:38 am - +Ben: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/interim-analysis-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-against-hospitalisation-and-death#:~:text=Relative%20vaccine%20effectiveness%20against%20mortality,%2D26%20709%3B%20100).

13/12/23, 11:39 am - +Frankie Wee: Covid-19 there is no cure in the world just the same like HIV.

Mankind creation history has long road battle and development new technology. Maybe Ai advanced can help

13/12/23, 11:39 am - +Ben: It's best to look at research and numbers, which are the closest thing we have to facts, rather than rumour, speculation and one-off events.

13/12/23, 11:40 am - +Terrie Wong: Am not against vaccinations just prefer traditional vaccines for myself & family.

13/12/23, 11:40 am - +Anti-vaxx: Fact is this is only for emergency

13/12/23, 11:41 am - +Anti-vaxx: Why it’s not mandatory approved reason being the trial test failed the white mice died

13/12/23, 11:41 am - +Ben: It was initially, but not now.

13/12/23, 11:41 am - +Anti-vaxx: Hence by international law it can’t be mandate

13/12/23, 11:41 am - +Frankie Wee: Hospital already full of room

13/12/23, 11:42 am - +Anti-vaxx: Learn to build own immunity for all virus and bacteria not only covid

13/12/23, 11:42 am - +Anti-vaxx: The cancer research are into immunotherapy

13/12/23, 11:42 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. After I stop wearing mask for a month, today I start wearing mask again when I go out .

2. Has taken 3 vaccination jabs and get covid once (minor symptoms).

3. All my family members have taken mRNA vaccination.

4. Didn't feel particularly fearful of the current spike in covid cases.

5. Just adopt same precaution measures like during covid - and now start to wear mask in crowded places.

13/12/23, 11:43 am - +Ben: "What does it mean that the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has received full approval from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)?

Receiving full approval means the Pfizer vaccine now carries the FDA's strongest endorsement of safety and effectiveness. This is based on thorough research and comprehensive data review over many, many months."

13/12/23, 11:43 am - +Anti-vaxx: <Media omitted>

13/12/23, 11:44 am - +Ben: I don't think you are allowed to post things like that here

13/12/23, 11:44 am - +Frankie Wee: Most of at place where spread and unhygienic 

-Hawker did ppl eating spilled on table or bird poo 

-bus or mrt crowded unknown carry infection spread touch or coughing

13/12/23, 11:44 am - +Anti-vaxx: Another similarity is Chakra/Reiki  go Google YouTube

13/12/23, 11:46 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sorry are you suggesting this can prevent covid?

13/12/23, 11:46 am - +Frankie Wee: Our vaccine already expired there is no point contuine to vaccine mandates

13/12/23, 11:47 am - +Frankie Wee: Hmmm really don’t know but itself believe. If u want heal them then how many of them are deaths.

13/12/23, 11:48 am - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

13/12/23, 11:48 am - +Rama: True

13/12/23, 12:10 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Those who are coughing, have sore throat, running nose or with flu like symptoms - advisable to do ART test to ensure the symptoms are not due to covid.

2. Because covid symptoms and flu symptoms are similar.

3. Notice that medications to treat symptoms for covid and flu are similar.

13/12/23, 12:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. When I got covid, I consume my flu medications - for cough, sore throat, running nose and fever - and I recover.

5. My wife got covid, see doctor in polyclinic and get similar medication - and she recover.

6. We experience minor symptoms.

13/12/23, 12:15 pm - +Terrie Wong: I am 70 yrs old & did not get COVID until recently. I was asymptomatic.

- I went to A&E for heart palpitations & they found I had COVID!

13/12/23, 12:16 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. Also if got covid, stay at home and don't go outside to infect others.

8. Be civic minded, fully recover then go outside.

13/12/23, 12:18 pm - +Terrie Wong: You wouldn't know if you got COVID if you were asymptomatic.

13/12/23, 12:20 pm - +REACH: Dear Contributor,

Please delete the post for everyone immediately.

Please be reminded of the Terms of Use: https://go.gov.sg/reach-whatsapp-terms

You shall not use the Group to, or when accessing or participating in the Group, shall not upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that:

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Thank you.

Megan

13/12/23, 12:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Arrangements of hybrid - WFH and WFO become useful to prevent infection from spreading within an office.

2. Split office into 2 working groups - interperse between home and office - will prevent office operations being impacted.

13/12/23, 1:09 pm - +SL: Take self-initiative in maintaining hygiene and wear a mask.

13/12/23, 1:09 pm - +Rama: Yes

13/12/23, 1:10 pm - +Caleb: +1, Hope MOH can faster approve Novavax jabs

13/12/23, 1:10 pm - +SL: Protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our community. 🙏

13/12/23, 1:11 pm - +Terrie Wong: Yes, Novavex hasn't released their new bivalent vaxx yet.

13/12/23, 1:20 pm - +SL: Novavax is for xbb1.5, not sure will this work for the latest voi - BA.2.86 - JN.1

13/12/23, 1:31 pm - +SL: This looks like the action taken in the past. Is it necessary in the current scenario?

13/12/23, 1:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well, covid hike recently.

Based on science, to prevent spreading and causing strain to the healthcare system, this is one good way to curb covid spreading.

13/12/23, 1:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: My wife got Covid-19 3rd timer while I didn’t get infected we live together in room.

13/12/23, 1:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But up to the boss and companies to determine if it is necessary.

Because the more of their staff go down with covid, it will affect their business operations.

So it is their judgement call.

Some companies I know are doing the juggling. <This message was edited>

13/12/23, 1:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well same as me.

But hard to tell depending on which strains.

If that particular strain we have immune, then we won't get infected.

If kenna a strain that we have no immunity, we may kenna.

13/12/23, 1:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. When I got covid the 1st time, my wife get it.

The 2nd time my wife get it, I don't.

13/12/23, 1:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: The future is case more Covid-19 pre-plan A and B 

Ai will handle over human job 

Human will rest and less stress but not enough saving $$$

13/12/23, 1:37 pm - +Frankie Wee: Because of cell generation different DNA

13/12/23, 1:40 pm - +Rama: Yes

13/12/23, 1:41 pm - +SL: JN.1 spending fast in America and Europe based on statistic show in 12 countries as of Dec-12 reported data. HM.M L455S is contributing to this.. ?

13/12/23, 1:43 pm - +Frankie Wee: <Media omitted>

13/12/23, 1:44 pm - +SL: Possible New norms is continue working even with covid? Because it may be just a mild symptom for different groups of labor?

13/12/23, 1:44 pm - +Frankie Wee: Mean the world that no found cure and long way ahead

13/12/23, 1:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not exactly AI will totally replace jobs 

Some mundane jobs - yes 

Just like computer revolution.

But to many jobs, AI trigger productivity growth phenomenally.

Previously when I use Google search, I take longer time to understand a new topic.

But after using ChatGPT, instantaneously, I got all the core ideas in minutes.

So productivity gone up tremendously.

13/12/23, 1:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not sure.

I no longer tracking the covid strains.

13/12/23, 1:46 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think according to guidelines and standing order, if kenna covid, must isolate at home.

Cannot infect public.

But I think isolation no longer 10 days if I am not wrong.

13/12/23, 1:46 pm - +SL: <Media omitted>

13/12/23, 1:48 pm - +Frankie Wee: Anyone who has been before infection Covid-19 meantime will come back because of vaccine is expire.

13/12/23, 1:48 pm - +SL: WHO downgraded BA.2.86 from VUM to VOI last month..

13/12/23, 1:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

13/12/23, 1:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is 5 days isolation.

13/12/23, 1:50 pm - +Frankie Wee: But hope not zombie 🧟😅 by affect Covid-19

13/12/23, 1:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also, previously, when I need to learn how to encrypt using VPN, I need to google search various configurations and try it on a simulator.

It took me a couple of days to make it work including testing.

Now I just use the appropriate prompt in ChatGPT, it generates a working copy in seconds.

And when I test it, it is very close to what I want with minor changes.

So AI cannot replace jobs - because will need humans to interface with live systems (cannot let AI ChatGPT interface with live systems - as the live systems will go haywire).

But AI ChatGPT do shorten development work phenomenally and improve productivity growth phenomenally.

13/12/23, 1:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: Development will work Ai improve and cryber security

13/12/23, 1:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: Ai engineer on going project

13/12/23, 1:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.morganmckinley.com/sg/salary-guide/data/ai-ml-engineer/singapore

13/12/23, 1:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: Very high salary

13/12/23, 1:57 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also notice ChatGPT has produce another defect.

Other than  hallucinations (producing fake results), it now can become "lazy" (produce partial answer, and then tell you to work out the rest).

Suspected problem is that, it has run out of GPU resources - not enough resources to generate comprehensive results).

13/12/23, 1:58 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

13/12/23, 2:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Another interesting observation, creation of deepfakes video with audio that are of more than over 90% accuracy.

Very difficult to tell authentic or deepfake.

Although some commercial deepfake detectors say can detect deepfake video and audio - but not foolproof.

13/12/23, 2:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Deepfake are created by 2 algorithms.

1. Generator - based on training data set create the video and audio content.

2. Discriminator - pickup flaw features for correction - and make deepfake very close to real.

Creating a GAN (Generative Adversarial Neural network).

13/12/23, 2:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Deepfake detectors are using recurrent neural networks to detect any flaws in the deepfake videos and audio.

Basically use neural networks to fight neural networks.

A cat and mouse game.

Deepfake very hard to fight...

Only the victims can debunk whether the deepfake is authentic or fake.

13/12/23, 2:40 pm - +Ben: Can't even trust the news now! https://newatlas.com/home-entertainment/ai-generated-news-anchors/

13/12/23, 2:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

遇强，则强。

Like virus, kenna vaccine, mutate to survive.

AI GAN use similar analogy.

Adversarial Neural Network - 2 opposing neural networks fight - emerge stronger and stronger. <This message was edited>

13/12/23, 2:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence full digital authentication for bank access - very difficult.

Not multi FA.

In fact only 1FA.

Hence, need "air-gap" - to stop GAN equivalent - stronger and stronger scam methods.

Only "digital in, physical out" "OOB Out-Of-Band authentication" - can stop it.

By introducing the physical 2FA. <This message was edited>

13/12/23, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Taylor Swift video clip in Mandarin generated by AI!?😳🤦‍♂️

13/12/23, 2:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

Indeed.

13/12/23, 2:51 pm - +Smiley face: <Media omitted>

13/12/23, 2:52 pm - +Smiley face: Wearing a mask is a preventive measure, but it is not 100% proven to stop any virus. (preventive)

Masks should be considered for people who are in close contact with people for long periods of time. (time & exposure)

In addition to medical staff, sales and catering staff are also staff who come into contact with a large number of people every day due to the nature of their work. (exposure & risk)

It's people's personal choice, either when you don't feel well, staying home and resting is the best option, or there are specific circumstances where people need to wear a mask, such as in a clinic or hospital. (self & choice)

13/12/23, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/some-covid-19-front-liners-selling-resilience-medals-online-pmo-says-medals-should-be-handled-with-respect

13/12/23, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Cool $1m

13/12/23, 3:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Who wish front-line

13/12/23, 3:40 pm - +Rama: Carousel is famous for this nonsense!

13/12/23, 4:10 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

13/12/23, 5:26 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR MORE* from you! 

*💬 What are your views on the recent surge in COVID-19 cases? How can Singapore better cope with rising case totals and ease the strain on our healthcare system?*

Megan 😊

13/12/23, 5:28 pm - +Telephone number: Serious thought needs to be put into expanding the strained healthcare system in public hospitals.

13/12/23, 5:29 pm - +Telephone number: It is extremely obvious that our public hospitals are unable to cope whenever there is a health crisis.

13/12/23, 5:29 pm - +Telephone number: For a well developed nation like ours, it is incredibly outrageous that waiting for a bed in A&E can take 24 hours or more!

13/12/23, 5:29 pm - +Telephone number: Our hospitals cannot be left alone to buckle whenever there is an epidemic, pandemic, viral outbreak etc.

13/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Rama: Cost factor and manpower is a problem too!

13/12/23, 5:30 pm - +Rama: Agree

13/12/23, 5:33 pm - +Rama: Agree

13/12/23, 6:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢 

13/12/23, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

13/12/23, 6:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: Good night hope not going back Covid-19 hit wave again.

13/12/23, 6:55 pm - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

13/12/23, 6:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/we-can-withstand-this-ong-ye-kung-on-latest-spike-in-covid-19-cases

13/12/23, 6:56 pm - +Smiley face: How to achieve Super scaling and thereafter Hyper Scaling?

Two ideas to solve many existential issues and challenges....

13/12/23, 6:57 pm - +Smiley face: Yes!

13/12/23, 6:57 pm - +Smiley face: 13 December, 2023

" Rewriting the Tricky Bug Story!"

"Either you are immuned, immune compromised or you are the exceptional being?"

- - anonymity

📌 Antigen rapid test (ART) kits

Should these "mini epidemic" persist into 2024/25 and all of these respiratory related bugs are not life threatening for the majority of the population (meaning 95% or more are safe). Going forward, perhaps, the costs of procurement of ART kits by MOH can be better used for subsiding patients at the Polyclinics example is $5 ($10 for PR, $15 for foreigner) for Students up to age of 24 and Seniors from age 55 onwards and others to pay only $10 ($15 for PR, $30 for foreigner) for consultation and medications to treat simple cough/ diarrhea/runny nose/graded fever/flu. All fees are inclusive of GST.

📌 Hospitals are monitoring Singapore's Covid-19 situation

We have experimented, exposed and experienced what C19 have taught the world.

Our healthcare systems are holistic and well protected from actual stress.  Apart from our A&E and hospital beds, we have our Polyclinics/PHPC/CCF as one big buffer to handle mild cases while freeing hospital wards for more serious patients to be admitted.

📌 Combating fake news

"Here are the facts and there the fakes and everywhere are filled with doubts,  beliefs and opinions as to what is fact and what is fake!"

- - anonymity 

The more a digitised country is, the more fakes to fact check! The spectrum of fact to fake will be a long and challenging task to align and to amend from fake to fact. 

Rewriting the tricky tomorrow and the unknown. How can we accurately predict the future and most of the unknowns and yet to happen crisis? From climate to conflict; from disease XYZ to the disruptive of lives & livelihoods. Simply to answer all of these doubts in sentence is simple thinking.  In a highly complicated and complex world we are living in now,  how can human continue to live in many uncertain moments in time?

Just a few countermeasures to consider: You win or lose, you live and die; don't be overly worry/stress/fearful and live the moment and now. As for tomorrow, have courage and be brave to face it whether is going to be worse-off or better-off. It is today that matters most, who knows about the future, live your life to the fullest!

           - - in progress - -

13/12/23, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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