REACH (Telegram) 80 - What are your views on the plans laid out for Singapore’s public transport system?
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18 Jun 2025 (10am - 7pm)
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REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 10:04 am]
๐ขTopic๐ข
Singapore is poised to make a big push for self-driving vehicles to be deployed across the island in the next five years, to strengthen the public transport network, amidst other plans.
It is a key plank in Acting Transport Minister Jeffrey Siow’s plan to make public transport more attractive by reducing journey times to work, especially for those living in Housing Board estates farther from the city centre.
Mr Siow’s priority is also to reduce public transport journey times to work, especially for estates farther from the city centre by making HDB estates more walkable and increasing the density of bus networks.
๐ฌ What are your views on the plans laid out for Singapore’s public transport system?
In a wide-ranging interview with reporters on June 11 – less than three weeks into his new role – Mr Siow laid out a vision of deploying smaller-capacity driverless vehicles “fairly extensively” on fixed routes within HDB estates. This comes more than a decade after Singapore first started testing self-driving technology.
These routes can be changed as needed, with self-driving minibuses and shuttles taking people to transport nodes during peak hours, and then places such as polyclinics or community centres during off-peak times.
๐ Reducing journey times
Mr Siow’s priority is to reduce public transport journey times to work, especially for estates farther from the city centre, such as Tengah, Punggol, Jurong West and Pasir Ris.
However, introducing new bus services is not straightforward, he noted. Bus drivers need to be recruited and trained, which can take six months to a year, Mr Siow said. There is also a need to buy buses and build depots and interchanges.
The deployment of driverless vehicles will help reduce the time it takes for people to get from their homes to the MRT station or bus interchange – the so-called first and last mile – which Mr Siow said is not so efficient today. This is a key reason why public transit travel times can be two to three times longer than a private car ride in some cases. Mr Siow aims to halve that gap.
Calling self-driving technology a “game changer”, Mr Siow said that if autonomous vehicles become a reality here, the dynamics of driving could shift considerably.
Mr Siow said this will have “interesting implications” for how Singapore approaches private vehicle ownership, and, by extension, the certificate of entitlement system.
The authorities in Singapore began studying self-driving vehicles as early as 2014. A number of trials were done, but none made significant inroads.
But as the technology matures in places like China, a second wind has emerged. The Land Transport Authority (LTA) recently closed a call for proposals to trial autonomous buses on selected public bus routes from mid-2026.
In the short term, there will need to be a safety driver on board autonomous vehicles. “In the longer term, it really depends on how the industry evolves,” Mr Siow noted.
๐ Room to improve sentiment on public transport
Among Mr Jeffrey Siow's many goals for his newly started tenure as acting Transport Minister, one stands out: To make Singaporeans proud of their public transport system.
He added that to him, there are three key parts to his new job: To persuade when there's disagreement, to make sure there is sizeable support for what he wants to do, and to inspire and get people to trust that he's doing the right thing.
“I know I won't be able to please everyone, it's not possible ... But I will try to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people. That's my objective.”
๐ Fines are not the only solution for public transport operators
Commenting generally on using fines to penalise public transport operators for lapses in service, Mr Siow said the system was used as a means of reducing the financial resources of the public transport company.
This in turn affects the company’s bottom line and consequently, “what it can pay to its people and what it can do for itself”.
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 10:04 am]
But beyond financial penalties, it is about "working with them together as part of the whole system, making sure that their interests and their motivations are aligned overall with the longer-term goal; with a larger goal of making public transport a good transport system in Singapore”, said Mr Siow.
He noted that rail reliability has improved over the years, from 67,000 mean km between failure (MKBF) in 2012, to 2 million MKBF today. MKBF is the widely accepted engineering measure for rail reliability.
"It doesn't mean that it is perfect ... I think disruptions will happen every now and then, invariably, and that's where it's important for the train network to be resilient," he said.
And one important feature of a resilient network is for commuters to have alternative routes should a train service on a particular track be disrupted.
This is where the Circle Line and the future Cross Island Line is "absolutely critical", he said. These lines cut through many others, ensuring that if one line is down, commuters can switch to another to get to their destinations.
๐ [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/jeffrey-siow-smrt-disruption-fine-grab-private-hire-incentive-5175371?cid=internal_sharetool_iphone_18062025_cna
๐ [ST] https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/singapore-aims-to-ramp-up-autonomous-vehicle-use-to-boost-public-transport-network?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttg
๐ [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/jeffrey-siow-public-transport-pride-acting-minister-5175736?cid=telegram_cna_social_28112017_cna
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365, [18/6/2025 10:22 am]
I find it hard to believe that driverless can coexist with drivers. Sooner or later drivers will find out how to exploit driverless behavior to their own convenience on the road.
Instead of targeting just public transportation, focus on the overall transportation network.
Are we to believe that Singapore wants a car-lite future (something discussed in the past) when the infrastructure focuses so much on roads for private transportation? Whenever I take the bus, it's actually a fairly comfortable and reasonably fast ride, until there's an accident, which from my anecdotal experience, is most disproportionately caused by private transportation (speeding, tailgating, using phones, etc...).
Autonomous driving or not, I think the priority is space-efficient transportation methods, especially given our limited spaces, which means more focus on public transportation and easier last-mile journey, including more convenient walking and cycling paths. I think we can evolve to the stage whereby private transportation is limited to those who really need it, such as medical emergencies or logistical purposes. Can even come up with a new system to have private transport on standby in various places meant for emergencies only, roads will be clearer and smoother for them to arrive at medical facilities as well.
I personally envy the Dutch cycling network, having dedicated cycling paths and tunnels that don't overlap with roads for cars, making it a smoother, safer and more convenient journey for cyclist.
All these is of course in direct conflict against those who have more interest in owning private transportation, which also is what standing minister has mentioned, "you can't please everyone".
Hanny, [18/6/2025 10:29 am]
Driverless technology will eventually come. And it's good for Singapore. There is more options on how buses/transports vehicles can be deployed. No more manpower constraints.
Daniel, [18/6/2025 10:32 am]
I agree that this seems to be a good way forward. Using driverless busses for last mile could decrease the appeal of owning a car, thus also freeing up space for other uses within the estates.
One big unknown for me is how this will cope with the peaks for instance the morning school rush, which in my experience regularly gridlocks whole estates near schools.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:36 am]
But how to assist those wheelchair bounded people to enter the bus if there's no driver
365, [18/6/2025 10:40 am]
With reduction in private car ownership, it'll be easier to plan the remaining public transportation routes to not clash with each other. The real challenge is convincing people to give up cars for the greater good.
365, [18/6/2025 10:40 am]
Politically I think will be a hard ask, so I don't really hold much hope for it. Can imagine the huge backlash for them.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:41 am]
Another thing is the speed of driverless bus. Are they actually fast enough
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:42 am]
Can they reach 60km/h in Singapore roads
365, [18/6/2025 10:43 am]
Everyone has different definition of "fast enough", is it 60, 70, or even more? To someone speeding 110 casually, 100 is not fast enough.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:43 am]
Cause my impression those bus are slow typically driving at turtle speed at 20-40km/h
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:45 am]
I think typically our bus drives about 40-50km/h
365, [18/6/2025 10:45 am]
Sometimes depend on roads, sometimes depend on their schedule also. When the bus behind is too fast because of smoother traffic or less passengers, they will purposely slow down, sometimes even coming to a full stop for minutes. I want to blame poor planning, but honestly they have to account for other drivers on the road and accidents as well. So sometimes there's too much buffer and they have to slow down, sometimes the same buffer isn't enough and they are late.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:45 am]
Sometimes 60-70 on express ways
365, [18/6/2025 10:46 am]
That's why I believe it is which type of transportation the government wants to focus on. If they really want to focus on public transportation, they have to give more road privileges to buses, we may not reach Japan level of having a dedicated timed schedule, but at least try to aim towards it.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:47 am]
I think in Singapore bus is not the solution
365, [18/6/2025 10:47 am]
My experience with Japan buses, they have a timed schedule at the stop, telling you what time the bus will arrive at your stop, and what time that same bus can arrive at the stops after.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:47 am]
Trains are the solution
365, [18/6/2025 10:47 am]
I think it's a mix
365, [18/6/2025 10:47 am]
But train is isolated from road networks, so bus is lagging behind
Daniel, [18/6/2025 10:48 am]
Yes, that is a good point. In other cities I have lived, the traffic lights will switch for busses. I think that might not work here, considering how many bus lines there are on the same stretch of road.
Daniel, [18/6/2025 10:48 am]
I think train will never be able to do last and first mile effectively.
365, [18/6/2025 10:49 am]
Train is limited because you need to build new infrastructure, and some places cannot reach due to the environment there. Buses can tap on existing network and penetrate deeper for last mile journeys.
365, [18/6/2025 10:49 am]
Think of train stations as a hub for inter-town transport and buses more for local towns.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:50 am]
I think if you are talking bus that looks like train operating on roads maybe
Daniel, [18/6/2025 10:50 am]
Although a lot of bus lines are crazy long in Singapore, with too many stops. Might make more sense to shorten/split up some of the very long ones, that would also make the frequencies more predictable
365, [18/6/2025 10:51 am]
Actually there's a lot of viable options, be it buses or trains. But it all depends on how much priority has been given to private transportation.
365, [18/6/2025 10:52 am]
Even trains for example, need to dig deeper or build higher to avoid roads. They are the ones giving way to cars in this sense.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:53 am]
Maybe those light rail type of bus will be effective in Singapore
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 10:56 am]
It's just like feeder service, and those private vans that transport passengers from hospitals n condos to bus stops. Infact by putting out more smaller busses crowding the roads more
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:56 am]
Double decker benzy bus
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 10:57 am]
It's the same like our old system only driverless
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 10:58 am]
Now driver jobs be gone
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:58 am]
And bus might not limit to bus stops but drop off point in hospital and polyclinics
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 10:58 am]
This is my suggestion to minister,hope reach consider it
Daniel, [18/6/2025 10:58 am]
Seems like there's not enough drivers. School busses also very hard to find drivers.
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 11:00 am]
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Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:04 am]
But beyond financial penalties there's nothing given back to the commuters being affected
When a plane is being delayed, complimentary vouchers are given.
But when a train break down despite rising of fares nothing is given back to the commuters, despite the fines.
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:05 am]
We have those already mini buses go from main mall bus stops to changing hospital, sgh, ok, cgh.. Nothing new
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:06 am]
Clicked wrong strongly disagree
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:06 am]
But I don't want to have mini bus just one stop from hospital to a mall. I want a big bus that pass by the drop off point
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:07 am]
Those r our normal sbs busses.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:08 am]
Yes they only stop at bus stop but not drop off point
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:08 am]
Adding a stop in drop off point will be good as the bus stop usually a distance away
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:10 am]
I recently took a bus to Ng teng fong hospital, I think it's hard to navigate as I need to take a overhead bridge to cross the road.
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:15 am]
1. The idea and concept sounds and looks good. what are the impact on employment?
2. bus drivers and taxi, phv drivers will be affect.
3. encourage these drivers to up grade so to get better employment and pay?
are there enough employment for these drivers to upgrade to?
4. think of employment as pyramid. the apex of it are CEOs earning multi millions...then moving down lower to its broad base that had lowe income jobs.
are there enough jobs and progressively abilities for these broad based of Singaporean to upgrade to? (assuming all of these group is positively motivated to do so.....which is not realistic, if they are able to...they will not be stucked at the lower structure of the employment pyramid)
what about their abilities to upgrade?
5. by using ai and driverless technology may sounds good on the appearance....the jobs and employment areana of Singapore is not ready or not able to support it.
the government may face alot of drivers with their job losses..or income reduced because of it. the only one benefit is the companies using driverless technology and a portion of small drivers or Singapore who are able to upgrade to meet the employment need.
those left behind, will have problems and Singapore's is a small markert. where do you expect these drivers or Singaporean to upgrade to, for better employment and more importantly, better income?
6. is the current government only think of one sided issue of automatic ai transportation and left out what type of impact it has on other area? like employment opportunities? is the employment available greater than the job loss that such technology will bring.
7. if everything is ai automatic, from finance to manufacturing to transportation to waste management..
are there jobs available for Singaporean to upgrade to for better income, are there jobs available for those who are not able to, ai automatic technology may have reduce the jobs available for these groups of Singaporean?
8. i saw online...alot of china people are affected because of driverless technology, coupled it with reduced employment opportunities and economic fluctuations, and toxic employment culture..... China population are toughing it out and having hard times in suviving.
ai technology is good...but not all population will be able to benefit from it.
and Singapore is a small place...how many better jobs are there for Singaporean...take away the means of income of drivers...you will have an angry portion of population... then freak general election will be more likely to happen and it will be Singapore worsr than before when it really happen..
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:21 am]
ai technology aspirations has to be balance with reality.
ai technology will bring in benefits it will also reduce income and jobs availability for population who are stucked at the middle to lower base of jobs and employment pyramid.
is Singapore really ready for it.?
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:30 am]
what about cyber security. will the system by sabotage and hijack by cyber terrorists, jihadists, to cause havoc or mass death.
imagine many of such driverless transportation hacked and directed for collision or to create damage.
is the Singapore cyber security able to stop or prevent such terrorism to happen?
G, [18/6/2025 11:35 am]
"Bus drivers be recruited and trained, which can take six months to a year"
Why so long? Why want to implement expensive new technology to solve something that looks like a process bottleneck?
G, [18/6/2025 11:36 am]
Driverless means no human back up within the vehicle? Got accident how? If need human back up anyway, then need driverless for what?
Sounds like some pet project from a new politician eager to make his mark in a short time, but not solving any real problems
365, [18/6/2025 11:37 am]
That's like asking why teaching a child how to read take so long? Sometimes that's the way it is, humans take time to learn, validate and verify. Will you ask why it takes so long to teach a child quantum physics? Why can't teach them from ground up within 1 year? 1 month?
365, [18/6/2025 11:38 am]
Can have human back up, you can have more vehicles managed per human, thus efficiency.
G, [18/6/2025 11:40 am]
To my knowledge, new drivers need to get class 3 license (outsourced to SSDC, etc) before upgrading to whatever license class the busses require (in house training)
It is this outsourcing that's the bottle neck.
Last time can get class 3 license very fast, within 2 months. Now driving schools kena dominated by bots.
Curriculum won't change. But how to access the curriculum is the bottleneck
G, [18/6/2025 11:41 am]
So if the human back up is 3km or 30 min away from driverless vehicle accident site during peak hour, how to manage?
365, [18/6/2025 11:41 am]
Experience in the industry is that most attacks are still from social engineering i.e people issue and not tech issue.
The very sophisticated attacks are usually state sponsored, if they can manage to penetrate, this kind of driverless transport is not the prime target, if will be our communications water, energy, finance, etc...
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:41 am]
True
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:42 am]
Singapore highest scam rate. Sg needs to handle that 1st
365, [18/6/2025 11:43 am]
And that's class 3. Even class 3 need 2 months already, moreover this is bus, requires more training and more validation. Number of trainers limited also, training buses is another resource limitation as well. Outsourcing is to your knowledge, when was this, is it confirmed?
365, [18/6/2025 11:44 am]
That is mainly a people issue, not a tech issue.
365, [18/6/2025 11:44 am]
You can have the strongest unbreakable cryptography, but people can still willingly give passwords or other information.
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:45 am]
Want everyone to upgrade. Not everyone cope in same rate. To upgrade go for corses, need to pay, if fail. Those in their 50s 60s, all of a sudden go back to books. Need time to be able to do all this ai stuff
G, [18/6/2025 11:45 am]
Outsourcing = enrol in driving school for class 3 license
Do the bus companies have inhouse training and qualifications for class 3 license?
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:45 am]
People who have upgraded also hard to find jobs
365, [18/6/2025 11:46 am]
Currently bus breakdown also not immediately can move off, it's still sending another bus over. Driverless bus maybe can remote to go over, thus few ppl in hq can manage multiple buses to assist.
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:46 am]
when it comes to terrorism or jihadist attack...everything goes...
no rules no restrictions.
if i am terrorists...or jihadists...i can thing of many ways to do it
what is the best way to do all out terrorism attack.
create mass disruption to divert attention and then assault the crucial facilities.
even if cannot assual crucial facilities..
i keep creating cyber attack to create mass disruption and "inconvenience" until everyone is suffering from fatigue.
.....
with driverless transportation...it is the best place to start with to create mass disruption or destruction.
hijack as many driverless transport as possible and ...let the party begin
Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [18/6/2025 11:46 am]
Find jobs for Singaporean not take them away
365, [18/6/2025 11:46 am]
That is something we do not know, so how can you accuse that this is the case and claim it's a process issue?
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:48 am]
anyway lets focus on more near term issue.
with driverless transportation..
what is the government to do to handle those drivers that are affected or displaced By driverless technology
365, [18/6/2025 11:51 am]
I think you are underestimating how crucial the other sectors are and overestimating the capabilities of adversaries. Again, this is coming from experience in the industry. How to hijack driverless? You need to target the communications between the vehicle and remote control first. By then, your communications is already compromised, which as of currently technology is achieved by state sponsored attackers, signaling a war with another country already. Tech capabilities of most adversaries are not strong enough to penetrate, because of limited time and resources. That's why they always target on people side, social engineering, which can apply regardless of driverless technology.
G, [18/6/2025 11:51 am]
Yes. Currently, there's the human in the loop, on site, ready to respond and manage the situation should an accident or breakdown occur on the bus.
Driverless bus got who? HQ where? How long before someone is managing situation onsite to ensure things remain manageable and not blown out of control?
G, [18/6/2025 11:53 am]
Just go read the hiring criteria, and why is it an accusation?
G, [18/6/2025 11:54 am]
Wasn't bots booking lessons at driving schools in the news recently?
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:55 am]
not overestimating at all.
there are many ways to do it combine low tech with high tech assault.
..........
keep point : constant and consistent mass disruption until the people are fatigue
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:55 am]
Tbh now only can push out smaller driving bus which don't made any difference
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:56 am]
You push out light rail bus then it makes a difference
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 11:56 am]
it is to prepare for mass implementation, isn't it.
so this is just a test run.
G, [18/6/2025 11:57 am]
If 6 months to 1 year required to train bus drivers, why is driverless vehicles the answer?
Why is "6 months to 1 year" a problem?
What is a good duration? 3 months to 6 months? What was the duration 10 years ago?
What's the duration required to train up human back ups for driverless vehicles?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:57 am]
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/entrepreneur-proposes-bus-light-rail-hybrid-system/
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:57 am]
I think this technology is better
G, [18/6/2025 11:58 am]
If NS can be cut from 2.5 years to 2 years thru extensive process reviews, why can't bus driver training?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 11:58 am]
Autonomous bus not a solution
365, [18/6/2025 11:59 am]
Talking about training outsourcing, not even about the bots. The training of 3 to 6 months is just bus training, obviously not including the requirement for class 3. Then the issue lies with availability of applicants, and not the training itself already.
365, [18/6/2025 11:59 am]
Respond and manage how? What can the bus driver do apart from stopping by roadside and waiting for next bus to assist?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:00 pm]
Investing on such system will be better. For crowded services
365, [18/6/2025 12:00 pm]
Sure, at the same time let's review and cut the basic education duration from 10 years to just 5. We can get more people to start working early.
G, [18/6/2025 12:00 pm]
Are you sure that is all? Who put the triangle vehicle breakdown sign?
Without the driver or human back up in the driverless bus, who does this?
The passenger? No passenger how?
G, [18/6/2025 12:01 pm]
Why is this comparison relevant?
365, [18/6/2025 12:02 pm]
Because you are making it sound like everything can just review and cut down duration. What is your expectations then? Train in 1 month? 1 week? 3 days? Based on what criteria?
G, [18/6/2025 12:03 pm]
Based on job requirement, job tasks
U mean u know what job a child is going to be doing when the child is 5 years old?
Bus drivers.. it's a job with specific tasks, not some general education school
365, [18/6/2025 12:03 pm]
Cannot have a new system? It's a new vehicle, can add new hardware to it to signal breakdown instead of triangle.
365, [18/6/2025 12:04 pm]
Sure, so I ask you back, what is your expectations, and based on what criteria you come what with these expectations? I want the bus driver train 3 hours come out ready can?
G, [18/6/2025 12:04 pm]
Isn't it traffic law to put triangle?
365, [18/6/2025 12:04 pm]
Law has been amended with new circumstances. 377A used to be law as well.
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 12:05 pm]
for certain training...the duration of training cannot be reduced.... without affecting the competency and capabilities of the workers.
we can have fast food.. but we cannot have fast trained competent people for the job
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 12:06 pm]
if has fast competent people for the job, that means these people are good...if they are good...why the freak they want to be at such lower tier salary and status job if there are better opportunities
G, [18/6/2025 12:09 pm]
Already mentioned.
Why is 6 mths to 1 year duration unacceptable in the minister's eyes such that the solution is driverless vehicles?
To me 6 mths to 1 year is acceptable training duration for bus driver training.
Unless it can be shown to the public that all other process reviews have been carried out, and current driver training duration is unacceptable, then it is worth it to spend public resources on some technology that only may resolve some problems
Driverless vehicles require a whole set of new maintenance regimes and even new expensive test infrastructures, perhaps even a new test circuit / facility. All these require heavy investment, typically from tax money
365, [18/6/2025 12:13 pm]
You are the one who asked "why so long?" and then now you say it's acceptable to you?
The duration of training is normal for bus training, but normal is not sufficient to meet the demands now.
G, [18/6/2025 12:20 pm]
So driverless vehicles is the answer?
Why? Why is driverless vehicles good stewardship of public resources?
G, [18/6/2025 12:23 pm]
Was the costs of driverless vehicles already factored in to the GST increases from 7% to 9% or should we expect more GST increases in the future for these driverless vehicles?
365, [18/6/2025 12:23 pm]
Can't get enough people, then you reduce dependency on people
365, [18/6/2025 12:24 pm]
Gst was going to increase regardless of this, the crux of gst is aging population medical cost
G, [18/6/2025 12:24 pm]
So means we should expect more GST increases because of driverless vehicles?
365, [18/6/2025 12:25 pm]
That is your own assumption
G, [18/6/2025 12:26 pm]
Not an unreasonable one
Adam, [18/6/2025 12:26 pm]
Literally everything we blame gst. Is it correct?
365, [18/6/2025 12:27 pm]
Seems like his SOP
365, [18/6/2025 12:28 pm]
So pampered that even such a minimal tax rate still can complain for years to come. Haven't compared to other countries sale tax before
G, [18/6/2025 12:30 pm]
To me, this driverless vehicles thing is a pet project, trying to solve something that doesn't look like a problem.
I want to know why public resources are being spent on a new politician's pet project, which would incur significant follow on operational spending (thus potentially need to increase gst), instead of performing thorough review processes (like for NS, resulting in duration cut from 2.5 years to 2 years)
365, [18/6/2025 12:34 pm]
2 things:
Just because you don't think there's a problem, doesn't mean there isn't one.
You don't have to wait for problems to occur before you try to improve something.
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 12:36 pm]
the possible issue is Singapore low birth rate...
maybe driverless transportation is the result of it.
all issues are interlinked
Adam, [18/6/2025 12:39 pm]
๐ค maybe some politician has a stake in some sg autonomous startup
G, [18/6/2025 12:43 pm]
It is a problem when politicians want to spend public resources on their own pet projects.
It's not a problem when politicians want to spend public resources to address a well defined problem that taxpayers can relate to
G, [18/6/2025 12:45 pm]
Then early declaration will help avert a whole lot of potential follow on issues
365, [18/6/2025 12:45 pm]
1. Pet project is your assumption.
2. Improvements don't have to target just problems, it can be proactive improvements. The intent for this is stated to be improvements for last mile journey.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:47 pm]
I think this project is just a normal improvement. Not really designated to solve the root cause
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:49 pm]
10 years ago how much is our population?
Now got how much?
That's why need to speed up the deployment of bus to transport us (็้ฉฌ）
G, [18/6/2025 12:51 pm]
Yes. But why is driverless vehicles the solution?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:51 pm]
Because easy to deploy. No need man power
365, [18/6/2025 12:51 pm]
Because it reduces the dependency on having to get additional drivers for these routes?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:52 pm]
If I want to change route with drivers I need to bring them to familiarise the route
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 12:52 pm]
With autonomous vehicle no need liao
RY, [18/6/2025 12:56 pm]
Gd question to LTA
RY, [18/6/2025 1:01 pm]
LTA may require to think the next era of transport, that is air/flying taxi/transport
Some countries are already on trial with flying taxi eg europe/korea
G, [18/6/2025 1:04 pm]
Really?
Then breakdown how?
Accident how?
Who will manage the situation on site?
G, [18/6/2025 1:06 pm]
What about backene support?
How long and how much does it take to recruit and train the back end "HQ"? And how many back end "HQ" is required?
Does that justify driverless vehicles?
RY, [18/6/2025 1:06 pm]
SG public transport is one of the best in the world
Although there maybe "hiccups" in our train system on/off, as no system is without any breakdown
Govt is also doing a gd job to encourage people to take public transport rather than driving car, so as to reduce the traffic/pollution, in order to achieve zero carbon goal (win-win situation)
Adam, [18/6/2025 1:08 pm]
What if we make dedicated lanes for driverless vehicles. Block people from enetering so wont have accidents.
To make it scale better, it can be big to hold more people like buses. Can even chain multiple vehicles together like the old buses that can bend in middle.
Since they have dedicated lanes, we can optimise for energy efficiency. Instead of tires, we can make metal wheels to go on metal tracks.
G, [18/6/2025 1:08 pm]
But need how many more non-drivers "HQ" to support?
What's the increased in dependency in "HQ" support?
365, [18/6/2025 1:15 pm]
I don't know if you understand technology, but usually as it improves, less people are required to operate. Now you need minimally 1 driver for 1 bus at anytime. If one operator can manage at least 2 buses, it's already an efficiency improvement.
You can even benefit from the increase in available pool of applicants as you no longer need to have class 3 to start.
Also, training requirements for improved tech usually requires less training time.
Maybe the world you live in is different, but that's my experience.
RY, [18/6/2025 1:18 pm]
In fact, many tourists/foreigners are quite impressed by our well-connected MRT/bus system in SG
Driverless is a new era for transport system, similar to EV car in the latest trend of energy
We already have driverless MRT system
SG has to move towards the latest trend as our world advancing to AI era
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 1:18 pm]
Emergency communication button
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 1:19 pm]
Just like how trains work. It will stop on the road or the nearest bus stop
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 1:19 pm]
Then wait for the next bus
์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐, [18/6/2025 1:20 pm]
I always think it's not about MRT being the alternative for MRT. It's is your bus network solid enough as a solid alternative in the MRT. Because LTA chose to keep nerfing our bus network that's why when MRT breakdown then people realise, our alternative is not strong enough.
์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐, [18/6/2025 1:21 pm]
For once the transport minister seems okay. But I'll continue to scrutinise his moves on public transport.
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 1:26 pm]
Agree with reducing dependency on drivers, especially with low local population who rarely want to be career bus drivers
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 1:28 pm]
My concern would be what happens if accident or breakdown, who is liable or pay the damages? This is a common topic when discuss about AI and no human intervention.
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 1:29 pm]
Driverless trains are easy to identify because they don't share road with other transports.
But mixing drivers and driverless without a proper framework, insurance or transport companies could deny liability
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 1:34 pm]
Full investigation first if its the automonous vehicle at fault company pay. If the latter then driver pay
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 1:35 pm]
I think companies will also buy insurance for the bus
G, [18/6/2025 1:42 pm]
Yes. This is always when things go well. I'm concerned for scenarios when things don't go well
When things go well, you can promise and sell the moon, and people will be hoodwinked
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 1:42 pm]
But which 'company' pay? The AI creator company or transport?
Is also difficult to prove if is the driverless system go haywire or the other driver at fault
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 1:44 pm]
Classic AI question, sacrifice(or injure) bus of 5 to save 1 person on the road?
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 2:01 pm]
๐ขTopic๐ข
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 2:01 pm]
365, [18/6/2025 2:19 pm]
Don't take risk (calculated), cannot advance. You go out can get into accident is also a risk, nothing is 100%. Not getting into an accident is also "when things go well", but we don't just stay cooped up everyday.
If you want to stagnate behind because you're afraid of everything unknown, that's your perogative. I rather we continue advancing whilst exploring possibilities.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:21 pm]
Our MRT started with driver.
And then become autonomous - driverless because of advent of more reliable and sophisticated C4 (Command control communication and computer) system.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:25 pm]
Similarly, public buses will also move from driver to driverless system.
Except that public buses on the road unlike MRT that travel on a fixed rail need to adapt to a more dynamic and ever changing road conditions.
Hence AI and sensors in the driverless buses must be rock solid.
Also a more predictable road conditions like fixed bus lane, less traffic conditions will be more suitable for driverless autonomous public buses.
Not all roads can use totally driverless.
A hybrid driver and driverless public bus mix will be more ideal.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:28 pm]
Agreed in our constant transformation when tech disruptor such as AI, robotics come into play, it will impact jobs.
But we cannot stop evolving to embrace new technology, else we will become uncompetitive and left behind.
Hence there is a real need to look into the job prospects of the drivers that need jobs to sustain their living while we gradually transform to driverless AI public buses.
G, [18/6/2025 2:33 pm]
Yes. But the risks have not been explained by the minister right? Neither have the problem been framed properly. Neither have the explanation for why driverless vehicles is the solution for the problem
There's hasn't been any meaningful rebuttal to questions asked other than rhetoric about stagnation and risks.
Just because we could go ahead with this does not mean we should
We could also build a launch pad to shoot some astronauts to the moon from tekong but should we? Why stagnate behind in the space race? Why stagnate behind Elon musk's space X?
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:38 pm]
Eg. When computers are invented, we stop adopting because we need to protect jobs for typists - then Singapore economy will still be in the 1960s - unable to create higher value added jobs for computer scientists, many sectors jobs that uses computers eg. Banks, manufacturing, logistics, accounting etc.
Hence we cannot stop the adoption of new even disruptive tech.
In fact, we should retrain our workers to handle the new tech and reap higher salaries.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:52 pm]
Looking at what the Minister is directed at, the driverless public buses are mainly to be deployed in those more ulu, less developed, less reachable by main or service bus routes to MRT or main public transport serviceable routes or even private hire or taxi that want to ply (as it is not so profitable).
Hence driverless public buses will be a good fit - because there will be less traffic on the roads and a more predictable road conditions that are more suitable for the driverless public buses to ply.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 2:56 pm]
1. For those main routes with many traffic and unpredictable road conditions, I guess driver buses will still be needed.
2. Also finding enough bus drivers to ply those ulu, less profitable and shorter routes have always been a challenge.
3. Notice the majority of the bus drivers are foreigners rather than locals.
4. Hence, if the driverless public buses that ply more outskirts roads are successful, then less stress for us to get more foreigners and less crowded for our spaces which is also a good outcome.
Khai Mun L., [18/6/2025 2:56 pm]
Then if not driverless, what alternatives can propose?
Hire more foreign drivers? Cannot cut number of drivers, there only 1 per vehicle.
Build more roads, or mrt tracks? Need more people to maintain and drive new vehicles.
Give everyone vehicles? Traffic and parking congestion..
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 2:57 pm]
My alternative solution
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 2:58 pm]
Something like that but can be modified to Singapore context
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 2:59 pm]
Can be driver less too but much bigger to accommodate more people
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:01 pm]
Suitable for long distance bus service and shorter feeder service within tengah and new estate
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [18/6/2025 3:05 pm]
Excellent step forward into the future, can't wait for it to be implemented.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:15 pm]
One thing particularly interest me.
The Transport Minister agree with my points that:-
1. Disruption to the MRT is bound to happen - even with the best maintained system. Because mechanical and electrical stuff do sometimes fail without warning.
2. Hence to emulate 100% no failure rate - is to have redundant line.
One fail, just hop over to the other line. In this case the circle line and the future cross island line come into operation.
Emulating no break in services.
Meeting of minds ........
G, [18/6/2025 3:29 pm]
This ☝️ string of sentences don't make any sense:
So bus driver training is a problem
More buses and building depots and interchanges is a problem
And his solution is driverless buses?
Driverless vehicles don't need training?
Driverless vehicles don't need to be bought? Are they free?
Driverless vehicles don't need new depots and interchanges?
He said "Introducing new bus services is not straightforward"
But isn't introducing driverless vehicles even less straightforward? There's also no explanation on why introducing driverless vehicles is more straightforward
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:30 pm]
My close friend comments:-
Yes, agree.
For each new technology, we won't know if it will suddenly become disruptive.
So positioning ourselves to be early adopters is better than late adopters.
Know the problems early, contextualize our own solutions and test them early. Pervasive implementation is always difficult and process long drawn.
Or a handful of drivers, driving public transport from a data centre (through remote monitoring and control) for whole of Singapore.
That is, autonomous driving may require interventions. But what if one driver can take care of several driverless buses at any one time.
They sit inside a control centre and direct several autonomous buses. But first thing first, the autonomous buses must be able to drive by itself under most conditions.
Disruptive tech is unstoppable. We cannot pretend internet is non existent and continue to confine kids to a few textbooks.
Step by step... Otherwise, we can't jump the big step at one go. Also depends on how the tech develop.
Maybe one day, limo mama (Limo mama refers to mothers who drive their children to school) can drive her children to school from home/office ๐.
So parents can drive their children while still in office or at home one day.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:33 pm]
I think for now automonous bus cannot be deployed in busy roads
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:33 pm]
As so far it only tested on carpark like area
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:33 pm]
Not yet.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:34 pm]
I think deploy in nus campus first to see if it works
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:34 pm]
Then testing on more complex situations like mrt to hospital
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:34 pm]
Have deployed and run for many years already.
Working well.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:35 pm]
Large scale where every bus is automonous
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:35 pm]
As I afraid AI and AI may interfere
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:36 pm]
Like what if a ambulance is behind
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:37 pm]
Then slowly try to deploy in 3 lanes road where the speed limit is 70km/h to test
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:37 pm]
Light traffic with driver and driverless working well in Buona Vista and NUS.
But not heavy traffic.
AI driverless buses need to learn the route.
Cannot anyhow throw into an unlearn roads.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:37 pm]
Minister said program it can liao
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:38 pm]
Can easily program it to another route
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:39 pm]
Not so easy to program just like that.
Because road conditions will change.
AI buses need to learn from datasets and sensors collected data.
AI buses need to be trained.
If program is not AI, because AI is meant to learn.
The program in AI is for it to train and learn - not programming that performs a set task but unable to adapt and learn.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:39 pm]
Cause confirm some bus services will enter a 3 lanes roads. It's not like nus or ntu just a single lane
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 3:40 pm]
There's a lot of lane changing on bigger roads
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 3:40 pm]
Yes.
That's why simple roads can.
More complex roads still cannot.
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 4:01 pm]
๐ขTopic๐ข
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 4:01 pm]
G, [18/6/2025 4:20 pm]
๐คฃ So actually:
1. Still need to hire drivers...
2. Still need 6 months - 1 year training (maybe even more because now safety driver also need to jaga the "driverless" systems)
And good luck trying to convince these new safety drivers to train the systems that will eventually put these very drivers out of job ๐
G, [18/6/2025 4:26 pm]
Isn't this contrary to the govt's push in the last decade to decentralise from the city centre?
e.g. Wasn't there much fanfare for the jurong lake district, to have more businesses there https://www.jld.gov.sg/
So now, want to design a public transport system to cater to an economy centralised in the city centre?
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 4:40 pm]
My close friend comments:-
The application or use case scenarios may not be as straight forward as we now think.
Eg under extreme climate conditions, autonomous vehicles can deliver goods close to door step and shorten/ minimise human exposure to extreme weather.
Defence purposes can also be deployed to minimise casualties.
My comments:-
Yes there are alot more use case with AI driverless autonomous vehicles - not just driverless public busess on the road.
PSA use autonomous truck to deliver good containers from shippping liners to warehouse. Previously need to employ 10 drivers (mostly foreigners) to unload containers from ship to 10 trucks.
Now 1 or 2 drivers in data centre can control and manage 10 driverless AI autonomous trucks.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 4:50 pm]
I feel the technology is not mature enough to use it on roads. Only can use it in carpark setting
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 4:50 pm]
Maybe can test on feeder bus
Joomua Tng, [18/6/2025 4:50 pm]
yes.. it benefits businesses more than people. (layman perspective)
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 4:52 pm]
1. I realise a few merits of these driverless public buses initiatives which are :-
a. More bus services are rolled out to less accessible and ulu remote places. Commuters will find travelling more convenient going to work, study and play.
Not restrained by less bus services because unable to recruit more bus captains mainly foreigners to man the feeder services.
b. Also salaries of bus captains now pretty high $2,700 to $5,000 per month, with some even reaching $5,500 or more.
Can have more savings for bus companies translated into lesser needs to increase bus fares for commuters.
c. In longer run, can even extend the services of the bus after midnight - because only need to manage by a few central controllers at data centre working in 3 shifts (not constrained by lack of bus captains after midnight).
d. Theoretically need lesser bigger depots and interchanges because it can ply the roads continuously without the need to dock in depots and interchanges for bus captains to change shifts because they are remotely centrally controlled.
Only need charger stations to charge the driverless bus and then continue to ply the road.
Only need maintenance workshops.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 4:54 pm]
But a lot of places still don't have bus.i am concerned if the lim chu kang area would deploy additional routes
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 4:55 pm]
I think driverless public buses can achieve these by plying these ulu routes.
365, [18/6/2025 5:04 pm]
Technology has reached the current limit for how fast we can churn out drivers. Thus, exploring new technology. With the reproduction issue, it doesn't take much to understand that we will be losing more manpower for such services, thus the need to have many vehicles to one operator.
If government have to explain every single detail for every single project, it'll take ages to get anything moving, having an inefficient and paralyzed government unable to accomplish anything concrete. When we moved up to a developed countries, many details in project are also not explicitly stated, just the top level overview.
You train 1 person for 1 bus, vs you train 1 person for many buses, which one will be more efficient? Early on may be tough and need a lot of finetuning, but look at long term benefits when there's more experience and able to bring down training time instead of looking at just the immediate term. Things take time.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:28 pm]
Like dairy farm I feel that it is a attraction but no public transport Access.
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:30 pm]
Gedong to Chua chu kang took more than 45 min bus ride
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:31 pm]
And the bus don't directly drop off at gedong drop off points
RY, [18/6/2025 5:31 pm]
Gd qns for insurance company to further study, when there is any traffic accident ins claimt?
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:32 pm]
These are the problems I think always overlooked by transport minister
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:32 pm]
Another place, changi village there no direct bus from pasir ris interchange to changi village
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:34 pm]
That's why driverless public buses will have alot of merits if deployed.
Those are the roads that big public service cannot ply not enough drivers.
Private hire also don't want to go.
No profit.
RY, [18/6/2025 5:35 pm]
If I am rem correctly, tertiary campus/sentosa already started driverless shuttle few years ago
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:37 pm]
Although these roads are ulu and far do gov think a faster transport to mrt is better? Like a lrt
Jun Ming, [18/6/2025 5:38 pm]
Or looping to kranji
RY, [18/6/2025 5:41 pm]
If I rem recent news, PSA started using AI to schedule their truck, so as to reduce empty truck on the road and fully utilise the resouces
They have not started the driverless trucks on the road ...
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:42 pm]
I think they do.
There is even a video showing the end to end operation.
Not on the road but from ship liners to the warehouse within the ports.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:43 pm]
PSA (Port of Singapore Authority) is actively using driverless trucks, specifically automated guided vehicles (AGVs) (https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-vivo-rvo3&hl=en-SG&cs=0&sca_esv=89a14cf8da278dde&sxsrf=AE3TifPla9AqWC-a5RFQh9d8VLFCjWTLTg%3A1750239783643&q=automated+guided+vehicles+%28AGVs%29&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSx5uk1_qNAxV-RmcHHf6FAHgQxccNegQIBBAB&mstk=AUtExfCr70BfDiBw66PS7dXfhd8omIp63yJW963r0zZ7O6VYj6WvRQClpC_tyyp6ICEWItmcNIi1HK7ZSyiB3bMdcgA-h_lbrFTLwhPswpFNh9WmpqlqY1ybIK93_cPdtib_A6tXgFv9lCB5n2dvur4sYkJeB5sPYrHcDzDtQFbyTpyF24c&csui=3), to transport containers between the ship's side (quayside) and the container yard, and potentially from the yard to warehouses. These AGVs are part of PSA's broader efforts to automate its port operations and improve efficiency.
Source :- Google AI
RY, [18/6/2025 5:45 pm]
Maybe within PSA but not outside road yet
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:46 pm]
Yes within the ports not on the road yet
RY, [18/6/2025 5:52 pm]
There were in recent news in USA abt autonomous Telsa driving, that lead to traffic accidents and death cases
Whose fault to charge at court, also another arena that govt require to look into in near future in "legal aspects" for autonomous driving also
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:56 pm]
Tesla's driverless system, known as Full Self-Driving (FSD), has been involved in several accidents, raising concerns about its safety. One recent incident involved a Tesla Model 3 crashing into a tree after suddenly swerving off the road, despite being on a straight road with no traffic. The driver, who was using FSD version 13.2.8, claimed the car "just drove itself into the ditch".
*Key Factors Contributing to Accidents:*
- *Lack of LiDAR Technology*: Tesla's reliance on camera-based systems, without LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) technology, might be a contributing factor. LiDAR provides more accurate distance measurements and better performance in low-light conditions.
- *Limitations of Camera-Based Systems*: Cameras can struggle with ambient light, weather conditions, and complex scenarios, which might lead to accidents.
- *Human Oversight Required*: FSD is a Level 2 driver assistance system, requiring constant human oversight. Drivers must remain vigilant and ready to take control at any moment ¹ ² ³.
*Potential Solutions:*
- *Improved Sensor Suite*: Incorporating LiDAR and radar technology could enhance safety and accuracy.
- *Enhanced Software*: Continued advancements in machine learning and computer vision could improve FSD's performance.
- *Stricter Regulations*: Clearer guidelines and regulations for autonomous vehicle development and deployment might help ensure safety and accountability ¹.
Source:- Meta AI
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:57 pm]
Tesla didn't use proven driverless technology for its driverless cars. Specifically sensors technology.
That's why accident prone.
Hanny, [18/6/2025 5:58 pm]
All new technologies take time to be accepted. There will be resistance. Gov needs to have a plan on how it will introduce the new buses. Start small. Gauge the acceptance.
RY, [18/6/2025 5:58 pm]
PSA is a restricted entry area for public, only for authorised staffs just like Jurong Island - my understanding
I rem have to apply permit for entry when I went Jurong island years ago
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 5:58 pm]
Yes.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:00 pm]
Driverless AI autonomous vehicles incorporated alot of very advanced AI, sensor, computing technologies and even military technologies.
Must integrate it very well for it to work.
REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 6:01 pm]
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REACH Singapore, [18/6/2025 6:01 pm]
Hanny, [18/6/2025 6:02 pm]
We dont have to be at the forefront in implementation. Let other countries implement and observe.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:02 pm]
Autonomous driving also has "national security" issue that govt has to look into
Eg military base, no autonomous vehicle is allowed
Otherwise, the AI devices maybe able to obtain security info also
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:03 pm]
Elon Musk make a fatal decision for overriding his engineers to forgo LIDAR and instead used camera-based system to detect road conditions - that lead to fatal accidents when going driverless.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:04 pm]
Telsa into quite many legal cases in USA n other countries due to traffic accidents
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:05 pm]
Yes.
Tesla will have to pay a high price for ignoring sound engineering practise.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:08 pm]
Elon himself is an engineer, but he is ignoring the saftety aspect ....
Just like recent Boeing fatal air incidents
Hope our SQ buy lesser planes fm USA
May consider China C919 or France/Germany AirBus
G, [18/6/2025 6:08 pm]
Yes, things take time.
But so far, the problem that's been presented by the minister is not the issue you just highlighted..
It looks very much like you are finding a problem for some product/service that the minister presented
It still isn't convincing at all that whatever driver training duration/need to buy more buses, more depots, more interchanges is a problem. With increasing population, that has to be done anyway to transport more people. it's not as if driverless vehicles will remove the need to buy more vehicles, more depots and more interchanges
So why need driverless vehicles?
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:09 pm]
Elon let his ego and pride overwrite reasoning and logical sense.
And refuse to listen to objective facts and engineering practises.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:10 pm]
LTA/CAAS may have to consider air flying taxi/transport going forward ....
RY, [18/6/2025 6:11 pm]
Elon is quite successful in his SpaceX though
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:11 pm]
Someone told me that it is his engineers achievement.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:12 pm]
His political misjudgment could sink all his business empire.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:12 pm]
Maybe, only his SpaceX team know best then
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:13 pm]
Yes.
This is what I heard.
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:15 pm]
Elon mother is smarter than him.
His mother say, he should concentrate on his business rather than dabble with politics.
It could kill his business.
His mother prophecy comes true.
So a smart guy doesn't necessary be wise.
His mother is wiser than him.
365, [18/6/2025 6:15 pm]
Again, doesn't need to have a problem to have proactive improvements.
As you already mentioned, the demand will increase. So if demand increase and we have this gap of manpower, why not reduce (not eliminate) manpower dependency?
It's like asking why need NS when there's no attack. Now when we can still fill in people is the best time to test out new technology to go along with it, because we got a lot of leeway for failure. Do not want to wait until we need it then start scrambling for it, when we can't afford any failure.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:16 pm]
Elon IQ and EQ ... as Elon is also autistic pax, hence his mindset and intelligence are unique - fm almost bankrupt and now the world richest billionnaires
His political and brainless support for TACO (Trump chicken out always) ๐
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:17 pm]
That's why never let success get into a person's ego.
Always be humble and stay positive.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:17 pm]
Yes, Elon is smart but he is very unwise ....
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:19 pm]
A wise person has good IQ and EQ.
A smart person may have good IQ but poor EQ - and hence can make very fatal mistake because his ego will get into his way.
RY, [18/6/2025 6:23 pm]
To summarise, autonomous driving is already the world trend, just like EV also
However, govt has many areas to look into eg legal aspect, energy, sustainalibilty and etc
Next era will be the flying vehicles that govt may have to plan/visualise in coming years
G, [18/6/2025 6:24 pm]
We know why we need NS. The problem has been well established
Going driverless vehicles has not proven to be an improvement? Difference? yes. Improvement? How?
If demand increase, then why not increase in number of drivers since this govt just keeps importing more people from overseas?
RY, [18/6/2025 6:26 pm]
Totally agreed
The way Elon support and quarrel with TACO already demonstrated his EQ level
People who are wise eg Warren Buffet, Taiwan TSMC CEO, LKY n etc
LCL (Danny ๅฟ), [18/6/2025 6:33 pm]
Air defence missile use laser or radar to lock an intruding missile coming at very high speed real time and can pin point and can accurately shoot down using kinetic force even in bad weather.
(Essentially LIDAR technology).
Never an air defence use camera base system to lock and pin point intruding target.
Likewise in driverless cars, LIDAR will be the right technologies to deploy to do collision detection and avoidance.
Simple military technologies knowledge.
But as engineer, Elon choose to override it.
Sure result in fatal accidents.
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