REACH (Telegram) 65 - What are your views on the plans to improve housing and transport as outlined by Mr Lee and Mr Chee respectively? Which aspects of their speeches resonated the most with you?
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REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 10:05 AM]
π’ Topic π’
Minister for National Development Desmond Lee and Minister for Transport Chee Hong Tat delivered their Committee of Supply (COS) speeches on March 5.
Mr Lee outlined plans to keep public housing affordable, accessible, and inclusive and Mr Chee shared plans to strengthen transport connectivity.
π¬ What are your views on the plans to improve housing and transport as outlined by Mr Lee and Mr Chee respectively? Which aspects of their speeches resonated the most with you?
MND COS speech
π Ramping Up Supply of New Housing
Mr Lee shared that HDB has exceeded its commitment to launch 100,000 BTO flats from 2021 to 2025, equivalent to building two Ang Mo Kio towns in less than five years. In 2025 HDB will launch another 25,000 flats including about 1,500 BTO flats in the new Mount Pleasant project that will be launched this October, he said.
π Shorter Waiting Times
Mr Lee also shared that the median waiting time for BTO flats is now less than four years, comparable to the pre-COVID norm of three to four years. By 2025 HDB will build 2,000 to 3,000 Shorter Waiting Time (SWT) flats with a waiting time of two plus years, he said.
π Keeping Housing Affordable
Mr Lee outlined how the new Standard, Plus and Prime framework keeps housing affordable and inclusive even in attractive locations like Mount Pleasant. The Enhanced CPF Housing Grant was also raised last year so first-timer families can receive up to $120,000, with lower-middle income families receiving more, he said.
π Supporting Diverse Housing Needs
For seniors: Mr Lee said that the Silver Housing Bonus (SHB) will be extended to right-sizing seniors, including eligible private property owners, if they commit to increasing their CPF Retirement Account by $60,000. Those moving to 2-room or Community Care Apartments will receive an additional $10,000 cash bonus. The new EASE (Private) scheme to support the installation of senior-friendly fittings will be extended to private homes.
For the lower income: The Fresh Start Housing Scheme will offer shorter-lease BTO flats to first-timer ComLink+ families, while the grant for second-timers will increase from $50,000 to $75,000 from July 2025.
MOT COS speech
π Stronger Connectivity
Mr Chee announced plans to improve transport connectivity by expanding the rail network. Two new MRT lines—one to serve Singapore’s west and north-west, and another running from Woodlands to the future Greater Southern Waterfront—are being studied, he said. Mr Chee also shared that the Jurong Region Line will be extended to join with Circle Line. Mr Chee also shared plans to invest up to $1 billion over the next five years to strengthen rail reliability.
Mr Chee also unveiled a multi-year plan to revitalise existing stations on the North-South and East-West Lines which have been in operation for over 30 years to improve the passenger experience and accommodate growing ridership.
In terms of bus connectivity, since Jul 2024, 10 new bus services and improvements to 36 existing bus services were launched under the Bus Connectivity Enhancement Programme (BCEP), Mr Chee said. Another 15 more bus services across different towns will be launched in 2025, he added.
π Strengthening our Air Hub
Mr Chee shared plans to strengthen our Air Hub, giving an update that the groundbreaking for Changi Terminal 5 will take place in a few months’ time. Mr Chee also announced that in addition to the $5 billion top-up to the Changi Airport Development Fund outlined in Budget 2025, CAAS will invest $1 billion over the next five years to boost connectivity, infrastructure, innovation, and manpower for air transport. Air cargo capacity will also be enhanced through SATS's $1 billion terminal expansion and Changi Airport Group's Truck Dock Slot Pre-Booking digital solution.
π https://www.mnd.gov.sg/newsroom/parliament-matters/speeches/view/speech-by-minister-desmond-lee-at-the-committee-of-supply-debate
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 10:05 AM]
π https://www.mot.gov.sg/news/in-parliament/Details/speech-by-minister-for-transport--mr-chee-hong-tat-at-mot-committee-of-supply-debate-2025
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365, [6/3/2025 10:26 AM]
I'm a bit conflicted on this one. On one hand there is indeed a high demand for flats right now, following the supply shortage due to covid. On the other hand, I felt that other policies in regards to poor population management have also contributed to this high demand, and this policy shouldn't be looked in a vacuum, and we should focus on alleviating the some factors contributing to high demand as well.
It seems ironic how we feel there's not enough space for us already (high population density), yet also not enough childbirth. Fundamentally, I feel population number is about right or can still be slightly lower, but population structure is the issue.
You also have 2 sides of the population now, one wants higher ROI on their existing hdb, and the other wants cheaper and affordable hdb. Promising higher ROI from the start is riding on a tiger that's hard to get off, I don't really blame the current gen government for being left with this situation of being stuck between 2 sides. On a personal belief basis, I think hdb shouldn't be used as an investment vehicle, but as a genuine home for the people.
365, [6/3/2025 10:30 AM]
Greater connectivity is great, one improvement aspect could be studying possible new traffic law implementation to allow bused a smoother traffic despite jams. Also could be a factor of the initiative to encourage public over private transport.
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 10:40 AM]
For me, more housing and transport hubs are great, but where is the land coming from?
Clearing more forests or claiming from the sea etc. there is still a limit. we need to start considering reclaiming from older buildings and land
365, [6/3/2025 10:45 AM]
It's a lot of treating the symptom and not the root cause.
Why build more housing? Because there's more demand.
Why more demand? More population coming in.
Why more population? Importing in due to aging society imbalance.
All these issues are interconnected and shouldn't be looked at in a vacuum. All these measures should be stop gaps for now while we should continue to think and develop solutions for long term issues to tackle the root cause.
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 11:00 AM]
[ Poll : 1. Do you agree that the housing measures announced will help to keep public housing affordable, accessible and inclusive? ]
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REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 11:00 AM]
[ Poll : 2. Do you agree that the transport measures announced will enhance your transport experience? ]
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REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 11:01 AM]
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TreasureHunter, [6/3/2025 11:16 AM]
I feel that housing policies today encourages people to buy and sell. (good or bad I dunno) . For example my dad wants to "downgrade" from 4rm to 3rm at the age to 70. I asked is the house to big to maintain he said not really. I asked him if he don't like his neighbour or the environment he also said no. Later realised, he just want to use up his 2nd timer buy new from HDB. Then MOP up he sold and got a resale flat to stay. All in all he took a handsome profit, No doubt, yes he is smart for his age and guts to move house twice after 70+. I am pretty sure many retirees have to go such length to monetize like my dad. But the pain of moving is real, leaving your familar neighbourhood is a risk to take. I have a question for Govt, is there a way to exercise and monetize 2nd timer rights WITHOUT moving, maybe have a platform to sell your 2nd timer rights to people who used up theirs? Just thinking...
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 12:46 PM]
Dear Contributors,
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π¬ What are your views on the plans to improve housing and transport as outlined by Mr Lee and Mr Chee respectively? Which aspects of their speeches resonated the most with you?
We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!
Thank you!
Megan π
Adam, [6/3/2025 12:59 PM]
>for seniors
>for low income
I wonder if there is a certain segment of the pop they are leaving out in this diversity
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:00 PM]
Housing = bto
For some reason more and more sgeans are unable to apply even if they want to
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:02 PM]
Saying housing is affordable to all with massive caveats. If its affordable, why do so many people live with their parents?
Kai Bin, [6/3/2025 1:03 PM]
Regarding MOT’s speech, I am fully supportive for the announcement of two new MRT lines as it will benefit many residents who are living in areas without any access to the rail network.
I also strongly support the rejuvenation works of older MRT stations on the NSEWL as this will enhance their capacity and improve passenger experience.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:04 PM]
I wonder how the funding works out. Will our fares increase?
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:29 PM]
It is affordable. Just that people are picky with location and resell values. Living with parents is not equal to non-afforable.
Could be many reasons why live with parents. E.g. me, as single have to wait until 35. not urgent to move out due to no suitable flats. Don't want to have heavy debt at young age
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:30 PM]
Ok give me a location where i can buy as a 24yo fresh grad single that is affordable?
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:30 PM]
If cannot afford to downpayment of like $10k for 1/2 room bto, means their lifestyle needs to relook.
Either upskill and get better pay, or is their spending too high to have any savings
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:30 PM]
It is impossible. You cannot have ten asterisks in affordability
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:31 PM]
If like that can say housing is affordable for singaporeans as can buy in malaysia
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:31 PM]
Fine, you want free? Land is free at ubin. Just build your tent there. No need pay rent or buy land
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:31 PM]
Food also affordable as can go to malaysia
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:32 PM]
Except this conditional IFs are not stated by the gov and they just ignore the problem
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:32 PM]
Now, who wants to stay there long term? That's another story
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:34 PM]
Lol would be funny if there is a community of digital nomads tenting in ubin
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:35 PM]
Wonder if gov will allow FTs to set up squatters since they cant buy affordable bto
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:41 PM]
Ok i upskill. I got 10k in my bank rn to pay deposit. Got alot of cpf too. Remember cpf is made for housing.
Where as a single can i get affodable?
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:42 PM]
You are single too right? I dont get why you think its ok. You cpf is locked away at 2.5% and will never beat the price appreciation of hdb even accounting for lease expiry
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:43 PM]
Maybe you can do some calculations. If you were to have maxed out your debt at 18 and got a house, how much are you in debt if you resell?
365, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
According to hdb website, 2024 bto in cck, 2-room flexi before grant starts from 102k (22k after grant).
2024 fresh grad median salary is 4500, including employer and employee cpf contribution, the OA (account you can use for flat payment) amount is calculated to be around 769. Per year the OA is around 9230.
Minimum down-payment is 20%.
If not for the 35 year old requirement, I'd say it's pretty affordable.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
Exactly. What im saying is that very big condition
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
35
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
Years
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
Old
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:45 PM]
If you ignore it, sure housing is cheap
365, [6/3/2025 1:46 PM]
You have to differentiate affordability and eligibility. While I may not agree with their eligibility criteria, this is 2 separate matters.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
Is housing affordable to foreigners?
365, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
When talking about affordability of hdb, it is implied to be IF you are eligible.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
I mean, they can afford singapore housing if they are eligible
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
Just have to marry in. Get pr
365, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
Of course it's affordable, they can afford to pay it, we just don't allow them to buy because they are not eligible.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:47 PM]
Very affordable for foreigners
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:48 PM]
But they can be eligible
365, [6/3/2025 1:48 PM]
Sure, if you want to run the risk of breaking the law for marriage of convenience. People have been arrested for that before.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:48 PM]
Instead of waiting for tears they can marry in an instant
365, [6/3/2025 1:48 PM]
They can, just like how singles can also get married to buy a bto.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:48 PM]
Yeah affordable housing for all
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:49 PM]
Just ignore eligibility condition
365, [6/3/2025 1:49 PM]
Affordability is purely financial aspects, eligibility is another matter all together.
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:49 PM]
Do you not understand that eligibility plays a part in affordability?
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:50 PM]
If a malay household wants to sell a flat but no chinese can buy, can they sell at the best possible price?
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:51 PM]
All houses in the same block should be equal right? Just occupant race is different
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:51 PM]
Yet because of eligibility conditions, the malay cannot reach the massive chinese buyers martket
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:52 PM]
But on the other hand, means they can buy more cheaply. Isn't that also good?
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:52 PM]
If you buy from hdb, can you ask for malay discount?
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:52 PM]
All hdb flat is sold by hdb at the start
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:52 PM]
HDB not for investment purposes
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:53 PM]
Want to resell after buy from hdb, not part of bto package and control already
365, [6/3/2025 1:53 PM]
Not being able to sell at a certain price doesn't seem to be under the purview of affordability anymore
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 1:53 PM]
You're bringing separate matters in
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 1:54 PM]
Something alternative for the north south east west line. So commuters have more options
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:54 PM]
No. You said eligibity is a separate matter from financial.
I am saying eligibility and financial is linked
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:54 PM]
If i am not eligible for bto, i wont be able to afford housing
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 1:55 PM]
Rich
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:55 PM]
If i have housing limitation when owning, i cannot make as much from the investment too
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:55 PM]
Eligibility is an important factor in finances
Adam, [6/3/2025 1:56 PM]
We cannot wave it away
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 2:00 PM]
Repeat again-HDB not intended for investment purposes
365, [6/3/2025 2:02 PM]
Yes, if you are not eligible, you can't buy.
When there is a statement saying they have made public housing more affordable, I think most people would draw implication that it is affordable for those eligible.
When everything in his follow up statement is talking about hdb, which was built with making it available for families, I think one can draw conclusion that this affordability statement is targeted towards those who are eligible already.
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 2:02 PM]
Whatever you do after getting HDB, by right is not gov control. Getting 'best resale' price etc
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 2:03 PM]
I hope gov looking into technology to build skyscraper HDB instead of just 20 storey. Build more of 50 storey HDB or higher so you don't use up so much land
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:04 PM]
As much as people say this, hdbs actions and policies show otherwise
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 2:05 PM]
You don't deforest and land reclamation to just build a bunch of 20 storey building. To me waste of resources
365, [6/3/2025 2:05 PM]
Google definition of afford is "having enough money to pay for" it is purely financial. A billionaire can afford a hdb, he can't buy it because he's not eligible.
365, [6/3/2025 2:05 PM]
Unable to buy=/=unable to afford
83Suma Propnex, [6/3/2025 2:05 PM]
A 3rm resale in Punggol now 500k plus
Yes there are places where can get for 4xxk also.
3bedroom Pungl now some even 700k Plus
Yes there are 600k units as well.
And A subsidised new EC tomorrow will be selling abt 17xxk psf,
All this one can argue whatever they want. As an agent myself i could find this is super high prices.
And by saying 1mil plus is fraction of Resale, we are forgetting how rapidly resale prices went up last three yrs.
How many PRs buying. Hdb despite having homes in foreign countries?
How many HDB got caught,
Is HDB sure that none of the PR or new citizen did false declaration?
To think a PR earning 10k plus per month, doesn't own any property elsewhere and just waiting to buy HDB, is it logical?
Anyway I need to change my mind, minister saying Prices will stabilise, meaning a resale 3room For 400k, 500k will be a norm in Non mature estate.
EC will cross 1800psf also Norm.
Will change my mind.
Thank you
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 2:06 PM]
π’ Topic π’
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 2:10 PM]
The housing topic today is mostly BTO. Not flats in general.
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 2:11 PM]
Sure, we can go other way, set price ceiling on resale and housing flats. Existing house owners would complain they are not getting best resale price. There's no perfect solution
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 2:12 PM]
2 sides of houses and everything else. Buyer and seller.
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:13 PM]
Like you said, housing is not an investment.
Action always speaks louder than words
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:13 PM]
Hdb let this happen
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:14 PM]
But there is indirectly a price cap because of the effect of valuation cap on loans
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:18 PM]
They have so much levers to pull. If they cut on loans it will massively cool down the market.
But of course it unpopular
Adam, [6/3/2025 2:19 PM]
Can anyone "afford" a hdb if they cannot get a loan? Ineligible you might say
LCL (Danny εΏ), [6/3/2025 3:18 PM]
*Housing*
1. 2 aspects of Housing that particularly resonate with me are:-
a. Minister is considering raising the income ceiling eligibility for HDB BTO flats.
b. Increasing supplies of HDB BTO flat
2. As median income and graduate salary income are increasingly quite steadily, the income ceiling eligibility of $14,000 is a bit low.
Very quickly, the income ceiling will be breached after few years of working - and young couples will no longer qualified to apply for HDB BTO flats - but have to go for EC that is very expensive or resale HDB BTO flats that will not be cheap and yet 2nd hands.
3. Increasing supplies of HDB BTO flats will make more flats available and driving down prices - as supply increase and surpass demand - prices fall - making HDB BTO flat prices more affordable and accessible.
LCL (Danny εΏ), [6/3/2025 3:41 PM]
*Transport*
1. Our MRT system is a very extensive and comprehensive network that cover almost every part of Singapore - that make it very convenient and accessible in travelling to any part of Singapore.
2. As 2 more new MRT lines are announced, that means more redundant lines are being built to ensure resiliency in the entire Island MRT network system.
So if one line is down, commuters will be able to take other lines - without the needs to scramble into quickly assembled buses or transports - as the volume of commuters especially in peak hours can be very big.
3. The transport portfolio is very big as it covers the MRT, road, air, and marine.
As the MRT network increases, it will surely come with some pain - as occasionally, there will be fault.
Because anything electrical and mechanical, wear and tear will happens - even with the most stringent maintenance programs in place (just like our electrical appliances at home or our cars we drive - occasional faults and breakdown do occur).
Hence whoever helming this portfolio will face the criticism of commuters.
But if redundant lines are built-in, then any fault, commuters can hop into another lines - only to live with some inconveniences.
Transport - in particular MRT indeed is a painful and thankless job - but mitigating the fault through redundant lines will make the pain more bearable.
Kai Bin, [6/3/2025 3:57 PM]
I agree with your statement
Andy, [6/3/2025 3:58 PM]
Income ceiling has always been raised gradually by 2k every few years. To me this is expected as long as wages are growing too, generally.
Andy, [6/3/2025 3:58 PM]
Usually tied back to median income
Andy, [6/3/2025 3:58 PM]
This Includes EC ceiling too
Andy, [6/3/2025 4:01 PM]
For me increasing supply does drive down prices, but to me it's about creating newer, clean estates for Singaporeans to move into. BTO are already very affordable compared to resale market.
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 4:04 PM]
π’ Topic π’
Andy, [6/3/2025 4:04 PM]
π― super in favour of public transport upgrade! Agree.
LCL (Danny εΏ), [6/3/2025 4:08 PM]
*Concept of Redundancy and Resiliency in MRT system*
1. The concept of redundancy and resiliency do apply in many fields - and especially if resiliency failover is seamless - users of the systems will not feel the pain or in the case of MRT, some pain that will be bearable.
2. I think citing some analogies will help people to understand redundancy and resiliency better - and can understand why Minister and Ministry Transport jobs are very tough and painful - but yet must bite it with grit to make fault and pain bearable to commuters.
3. Taking an analogy of IT systems, imagine the resiliency and redundancy that we need to build in - to ensure any failure in any parts of the IT infrastructure in the network, servers, OS, apps, database, Data Centres - the IT systems or Apps users will not be affected online - if any parts of the IT systems breaks (which is possible and frequent in a year).
a. Redundant at least 2 separate failover network infrastructure is build. If one network fail, it will automatically failover into another network through network failover protocol such as link aggregation, VRRP, HSRP, GLBP etc - in case a network components eg. router, LAN switches, cable failure etc.
b. 2 Data Centres with 2 replica sets of IT infrastructure, network, servers, apps, database, security are built, and failover by GLB (Global Load Balancers) in case there is a power failure in one DC, hackers attack in one DC, fire etc.
c. In a data centre, minimally 2 set of servers, Virtual Machines, OS, apps, Databases are built - supported by redundant SLB (Server Load Balancers) for failover in the event apps fail due to the fault of any of these components due to patches, upgrade, memory failure, disk space full, etc.
Imagine the amount of redundancy and resiliency that we need to build in an IT system - to ensure good online user experience without experiencing online IT failure.
4. Taking another analogy, our power grid are build with redundancy and resiliency that come from 2 different power grid and power station.
In the event if one power grid fails due to power outage, surge etc, another power grid and power station can failover and takeover - without causing power outage to the power users which can be industry users (manufacturing plants, hospitals, office users) or household users like us.
5. Similarly, MRT can also build using the above 2 analogies in IT systems and power grids - to build redundant and resilient systems --- because electrical parts and mechanical parts do fail (whether due to wear and tear, signaling failure, electrical fault etc).
Hence Singapore with more and more wealth and higher budget, we can afford to build redundanct and resilient MRT lines - to mitigate and cushion against nature of the 4 Great Elements (ι£，η«，ζ°΄，ε) of mechanical and electrical failure.
But failover will not be seamless or automatic like the IT systems or power grid.
If one MRT line fails, commuters will need walkover to take opposite line to a functional MRT system that is working - a slight pain, and slight inconvenience but bearable.
365, [6/3/2025 4:09 PM]
Not only redundancy, but parallel run to offload some passengers from the current network, using IT terms as well, there's more load balancing.
LCL (Danny εΏ), [6/3/2025 4:10 PM]
Yes.
IT system can do load balancing.
But MRT if do load balancing will be too expensive unless complemented by bus.
365, [6/3/2025 4:12 PM]
The additional lines will help with load balancing as well, and I would want more convenient bus routes as well.
Can't rmb which bus route was it that got removed after TEL was done, I think that was a mistake.
Not only could that bus have helped to balance the load, iirc it also served some areas where the mrt line has not reached yet.
365, [6/3/2025 4:15 PM]
I'm honestly skeptical about the new PMA laws. Not that they are not good to implement, but a law is pointless if it isn't enforced.
We already have speed limits for PMDs, but doesn't feel like it's enforced much.
E-bikes and similar items were originally banned, but were still imported into Singapore in such large quantities that it became common sight despite being technically illegal.
365, [6/3/2025 4:17 PM]
If manpower in enforcement is an issue, it can be balanced with harsher punishment to act as deterrence. Hit the wallets, impound the rides.
Please correct if I'm wrong, but they are supposed to be equipped with a speed limiter, so if anyone is caught without it, trace back to who sold or modified the ride and punish them as well.
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 4:22 PM]
Might be hard to trace back because no record keeping or paid via cash. Kind of like how vapes or drugs still found in sg.
Buyer would lie about where they got it from
365, [6/3/2025 4:22 PM]
Can give harsher sentence for refusal to cooperate or lying to a police official
Khai Mun L., [6/3/2025 4:23 PM]
Harsh penalty still have to balance with regular enforcement. E.g. people still eat,drink, or do drugs even though high cost
Andy, [6/3/2025 4:24 PM]
I agree with harsher sentence, the punks who ride dangerously and endanger people both on roads and pavements
Andy, [6/3/2025 4:24 PM]
Its something worth balancing.
365, [6/3/2025 4:25 PM]
My thought process is everyone has their own risk matrix. Usually it would be calculated with probability of consequences and severity of consequences.
If we are unable to increase the probability due to lack of manpower, the least we can do is to balance it with severity of consequences.
Ideally I would want more enforcement as well, but we don't live in a perfect world.
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 4:28 PM]
Make the approve one with speed limiter cheaper than illegal one
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 4:28 PM]
Cannot solely rely on law
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 4:29 PM]
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Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 4:29 PM]
We need to design the system that people prefer the safer option rather than because of the law people don't do it
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 4:34 PM]
For pmd people are always in the rush because time is money. And they mainly use for delivery.
So to reduce this platforms should give more time allowance and more compensation for food delivery. So less people would speed
365, [6/3/2025 4:36 PM]
To my understanding, some of them will take on multiple orders at the same time, which also increases their risk of failing the time requirement, can anyone confirm?
If the above is true, then increasing the time allowance will not solve the issue as they'll just take on even more orders and run the same risk again.
365, [6/3/2025 4:37 PM]
I agree cannot solely rely on law, but there are those that do it for the thrill instead of whichever works and is legal
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 4:51 PM]
If that is the case the platform must design in the way to not getting multiple orders that is too far of the location
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:00 PM]
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/students-applying-to-jc-from-2028-to-use-l1r4-score-requiring-five-o-level-subjects-instead-of-six
Academic rigor on a decline?
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:01 PM]
For students exploring the pre-university pathway, we want to create more time and space to build on their strengths and develop them holistically,” said Education Minister Chan Chun Sing on March 6 during the debate on MOE’s budget.
The revised criteria “means that students will be able to take fewer subjects, or take some subjects at a less demanding level”, he said.
“They will thus be able to devote more time and effort to pursue their interests, deepen their communication and collaboration skills through CCAs, and uncover new strengths through school programmes.
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:01 PM]
Realistically how many students will use the added free time for what’s mentioned and intended for. π€·♂️
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:04 PM]
Also for the minority cases where students are competing on national levels in sports, don’t think there’s any value in them focusing more on being “better at the sports” just so that they meet global standards.
What’s after your competitive sports retirement will still be back at your regular day job. And then, your learnings from the pool / field adds no value to your day job then, instead academic rigor do atleast at some value to it..
whosAlex, [6/3/2025 5:04 PM]
More like how many parents would use that time to send their children to tuition instead
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:07 PM]
More will just spend it away freely and not doing anything meaningful.
I’d rather have more subjects, more responsibilities and therefore students will hold themselves accountable for it and have the self discipline to mgmt their time.
Rather than to have abundance of free time and not knowing what to do.
Ethan, [6/3/2025 5:12 PM]
Don’t think there’s anything wrong with academic rigor and academic stress.
Infact I’d argue it’s the main equalizing factor in society now.
Irregardless if you’re rich or poor you know that you hit certain academic marks you can get a good degree and that will change your trajectory in life. With free/ low costs resources readily available for you to achieve those grades.
If you’re focusing on other talents, CCA achievements. Don’t really think the poor have resources or capacity to bring their kids for those trainings or courses. Getting professional coaches, attending trainings at specialized clubs with the necessary equipments, etc all requires additional resources. And it’s definitely not as widely accessible to folks from all walks of life.
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 5:47 PM]
I didn't go to JC so couldn't really see the demand. But... The school may not offer what the students are truly good in. And school banding in sec 3 may limit the number of subject if they didn't do well in sec 2
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 5:49 PM]
This gave more flexibility for students who are bad at the start and catch up later better options if they want to go JC
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 5:49 PM]
As JC is always the direct route to university
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 5:50 PM]
Unless uni starts to expand intake of poly students greater than 50%
Jun Ming, [6/3/2025 5:53 PM]
Some school may provide more subjects than another and have certain criteria, so I welcome this move. This also give options for student from NT to na to olevels to go to jc
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 6:05 PM]
π’ Topic π’
REACH Singapore, [6/3/2025 6:45 PM]
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