REACH 458 -  What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems?

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 24 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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[10:00 am, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Road respectively. This came after Reform Party chief Kenneth Jeyaretnam published social media posts over the market rental price for the two colonial bungalows.

The Singapore Land Authority (SLA) had then responded in a statement that both properties had been vacant for several years, and the rentals were done in full compliance with the relevant SLA procedures.

Following PM Lee's statement, Min Shanmugam said he had suggested an independent review to look into whether there was any wrongdoing. He added, “We need this sort of approach, regardless of who is involved, to make sure the system operates with integrity. We cannot let doubts about the integrity of ministers fester and be left unaddressed”.

Min Balakrishnan also told reporters that he was very glad that PM Lee agreed to have this review, and to publish all relevant facts and findings before we have a full debate in Parliament. 

The findings of the review will be made public in time for the Parliamentary sitting in July. 

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/review-to-be-carried-out-on-ridout-road-properties-pm-lee

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-shanmugam-vivian-rented-ridout-road-properties-in-full-compliance-with-procedures

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[10:08 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Government can hold more than property because their salary higher.

[10:10 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://newnaratif.com/explainer-inequality-in-singapore/

[10:18 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Short of detail information, the 2 bungalows are State property - that are rented out for short stay and recreation - I believe.

2. The bungalows are not sold to and own by the Ministers.

3. If proper procedures are followed and rented out - be it Ministers, CEO, or common man in the street.

I don't see how this is a breach of integrity.

4. Ministers are also humans just like any of us - who earn their worth and should not be penalised - for them and family members from enjoying lives after work - through legal and proper means.

[10:25 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. Also the 2 bungalows are vacant for so many years.

What is wrong for someone be it the Ministers or any man in the street rent the holiday bungalows for a short stay to recuperate or to relax?

6. Previously, some government agencies, private enterprises also bought some holiday Bungalows for staff to rent during their annual leave to relax and recuperate.

The stay is fun and such colonial bungalows even have paranormal encounters at night - making the stay more adventurous, fun and yet frightening.

[10:25 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

6. Bought (not sure) - could be rented.

[10:26 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. Staff rent - should be book free of charge.

[10:29 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: this issue is just a piece of shit story by oppo la

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Excellent to see the Gov take the feedback seriously and ensure highest integrity in Gov. Transparency and accountability are essential for social stability. If no wrong doing and these properties are available for everyone, then maybe the only error was not making that information more available. If it's a government perk, then that's fine too if that's public knowledge.

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I not quite sure about it reason stay for rent at least 1 to 2 years. Most rich Normally holiday stay for few week to enjoy and back home live in luxury.

For this house bungalows is too big and oldest history is a  heritage.

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really a freaking waste of our parliament time to bark over such news

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: also is RENT .... is it not good to have someone renting these house and the rent is income to the state?

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Whether both of them have take bid for grant money

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: opposition angry because they cannot is it because they green eye?

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: as long as u got money u wannt rent these bnw house 10 of them no one will complait also the most say you show off

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Some people like to whip up public to create disruption

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and sadly the public are sheep to get whip and sing the same cord

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: got more urgent matters dun bring up

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: keep nip picking all these small small issue

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: they so concern about the public small things then please bring up why plates are still in mess in hwaker center

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why causeway jam till singaporeans cannot spend in jb

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why cai png no more 2.5 dollars

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: waiting for SM Teo’s review report for me to understand the matter. I am still unclear on what is the issue that was brought up.

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why public toilet so dirty still despite paying 10 cents or 20cents

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I wonder both minister had sold home and stay rent. Because they want more money 💰 earn interest rate

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sl-> ppl not happy why minister can rent these BnW houses which cost over at least 60k per mth

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If I am not wrong, these colonial bungalows are rent out by years.

SLA won't waste time doing hotel management to rent out by days or weeks.

Individuals or organisation usually rent it and is a recreation stay.

Organization will let staff book for a few days stay when they take annual leave.

I also once have book a stay in one such Bungalow - fun but frightening.

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: dam free these oppo

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously if we say pap doing nothing much

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +CJ: Did they self declare before submitting the bid?

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i saw our opp dam freaking free to dig out such news with their 10 ot 16k pay by the state

[10:36 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Why “oppo” want to bring this up? Is there any “perception” they want to “implant”?

[10:37 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: now wasting state resource to make a study and investigation ...

[10:37 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Minister salary can enjoyed as they wished for money spent.

Public no freedom to enjoy and inequality

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: then why the public dun kp their bosses got more money then them and can stay in sentosa or district 10 area and owning 2 cars

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: What is the standard level integrity

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ppl money ppl want to spend is their issue

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: just blame fate one is not born into the correct family lor

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: what level of integrity we talking about here ? that minister must declare all their assets out to the public ?

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I public and my family members also got a chance to make a short stay in these colonial bungalow.

I not minister.

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i believe certain things they must declare while certain areas of their live shoudl be keep pte too

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: If there is no finding, can the time cost spent back charged to the complaint person?

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but one thing i cannot agree till date is being a public serant one should not hold directorship of companies

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-paid-government-leaders-in-the-world#

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: how i dam bloody wish like the court proceeding ya ....

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Yes, agreed

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: rather then brain storming how to fend off and bring about the region to be srtonger and fend off china / us game play

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Omg, this will be an issue for society's trust

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: we are now investigating this minster that minister issue ... i wonder who is the one finding fault and wasting state funds

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: It's a lot of money, sure, but if everyone has the opportunity to apply for the job, and selection is transparent (ie no parachuting) then it's a tough job that is well rewarded.

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously if our conversation is made know to the public those with eye will be able to understand well

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: I agree - it requires a proper response.

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: You mean they can allow use claim benefit to buy rental

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Still got 2.5? Any suggestion where to find this? Thanks

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: so did or did they not

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: claim benefit  - used

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if we or you dun know dun even say

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Ppl not happy because they are not biding in it? They cAn bid next time.

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore Ministers are the lowest paid CEOs in Singapore and the world.

PM pay about $2 million per annum.

Ministers pay about $1 million per annum.

MP allowance per month less than $15,000.

Our highest pay CEOs easily $15 million a year.

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: High pay unfair to public singaporean

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: u think minister is so cheapo to that level

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: anyone can bid as long as one know when and where to bid

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 👆👆👆

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and bidding does not mean it goes to the lowest bidder of cos it goes to the highest bidder aka who have the dough who will get it

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MP allowance - even a senior engineer pay exceed MP pay.

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i no style but if ah beng one day can be mp i will ask oppo u buay song u go bid lah

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why cry father and nother

[10:47 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: bidding ley .. not price fixing ...

[10:47 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Review independent

[10:49 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder who interested to be Ministers with so low pay?

Be CEO better, earn 10 times more than ministers - also don't get scrutinize by public during private time.

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Someone jealous against them unfair

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder who want to be MP - everytime kenna scrutinised by public.

Be a senior engineer better.

Same pay or higher pay than MP.

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is not jealous is to stirr shit

[10:51 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos they know public dam happy to hear such shit news and hope by barking more of such news the will win vote

[10:51 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but word to the oppo with your type of calibrate .. i rather let unmo run than the current oppo ....

[10:53 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

All these jobs pay about the same as MP jobs.

No public scrutiny some more.

Who want to be MP?

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: dun forget most are without VB... add in the vb and the others components of the package it might be more attractive than the role of portfolio mp

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but agin i believe mp have their perks too

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: already being a RC member who is active for x years also have perks else why ppl join rc

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Senior engineer jobs - same or higher than MP pay.

Why want to be MP?

[10:55 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: u thnk is really for love of society -> is for houseing / school / carparks / small perks

[10:56 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is human .. no human do things wihtout objetive

[10:56 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: maybe it for $ for self / for fame / for glory / for family or even for religion purpose

[10:58 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: It was Reform Party who dig this out and they are not being paid by the state

[10:58 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Money is everything as long as they have archived. 

For government MP policy I don’t know much about it

Private sector is highest priority

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: lagi shit sitrer ....

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: now put the whole parliament to waste state resource still

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Kenneth Jeyaretnam should have substantiate his accusations with facts what he thinks "market rent" was for the property and SLA should also have published the amount rented.  It is an asset that belongs to all of Singaporeans and we all have a right to know; nothing to do with national security.  It would have save everyone a lot of time.

I'd rather my ministers spend their time on how to improve our economy, lower cost and create jobs for our citizens.

[11:02 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: I think the underlying issue is whether the ministers got the bid through knowing insider news. After all there is a potential conflict of interest over here. Better make it public and clear any doubts

[11:08 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: This could have been avoided if all related details were made public much earlier than have it come this far!

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Part time MP has its perks!

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +YT: I don't understand why they don't own their own properties but have to rent.  Are they renting these cheaply and then in turn renting out their own properties so as to earn the difference?  That's the question I have on my mind and I hope it gets answered.

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Public service is a sacrifice and not a luxury!

[11:10 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: For most of the MPs being a MP is just their part time job

[11:11 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 50% of luxury those high pay than public

[11:13 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew,

True, perhaps, after the review process concluded, the committee will recommend a Checklist or guideline for the benefits of all future dealings with it at the higher level or from the baseline. Referring to the entire civil service community.

Thank you, Andrew!

[11:19 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: There are four perspectives of compensation: Society, Stockholder, Manager, and Employee. Each perspective creates a different idea of what compensation means to them and the organization...

[11:19 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: The Contestations of Ideology and Reality?

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[11:21 am, 24/05/2023] +TD: Agree.

[11:21 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: "There is no rite and there is no wrong; the rite proves it's rite and the wrong proves it's wrong...so what is rite and what is wrong?"

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[11:26 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Perks are exceptional efforts; rewards and bonuses are compensation to one's best effort.

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[11:48 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Anyone can become an MP - we are a republic. Some countries have a monarchy with birth rite to wealth and power....

[11:54 am, 24/05/2023] +65 8637 0502: https://www.tiktok.com/@mothershipsg/video/7236352162563919105?lang=en

Public servants must be held to highest standards 🙏

[11:57 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Lesli,

Thanks for sharing the TikTok.

What's the highest standard, anyone have any ideas?

How about a person's privacy versus public scrutiny?

Thank you.

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Nothing come Highway standard level.

As long as republic can be group leader member PM

People wisely vote them on coming GE

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Nothing come Highest standard level.

As long as republic can be group leader member PM

People wisely vote them on coming GE

[0:13 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

These bungalows are rented for holiday chalets.

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: not really some are for real residential stay

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the rent can easily go from a few k to tens of Ksssssss

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Many organisations rent these bungalows for their staff.

Individuals who wish to rent these bungalows as weekly holiday resort also can - not necessary Ministers.

[0:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and usually it exclude renovation work aka u see what u get

[0:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: spolit repair yourself when return i think is return as good

[0:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: these bnw house are ring fence as national heritage .. cannot any how tear down or made changes to structure

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I doubt people want to buy or rent such Bungalows for residential stay - because they are very far away from supermarkets and amenities.

Need car to drive in and out even to the nearest bus stop.

Only as holiday chalets for recreation and relaxation.

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: They rented since 2018 and 2019, definitely not a short term holiday stay

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: have lah

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: bukit merah behind cmpb

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also, at night prepare for paranormal encounters.

Ghostly adventures.

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: will be surprise how many of these are being taken up

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: usually by expats

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sambawang area near the ship yard almost 60% take up by expats

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why they are left vacant for many years - nobody wants to rent.

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is not nobody want to rent is expats are moving out too

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: some after a while prefer to live back to condo

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: alot of maintainence work to be doen for such building and the property around

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: imagine u got snakes, insects whatever bugs crawling into the house

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if not well taken care of

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ahhh for seletar area also have but is strictly for commercial purpose only

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: only a handful are for reseidential

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: It won't be the last time something like this issue of transparency will crop up! When ownself check ownself,  cover up ownself,  arrogance sets in! Also, opposition mp pritam Singh and Leong Mun Wai should sit in with SM TCH on the matter.

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Actually, this saga is a trivial event.

Not a perk or benefits to the Ministers.

This bungalows not many people want to rent - that's why left vacant for so long.

Those people who complain make a mountain out of a mole.

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Matter of perception

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: can go to sla site and see ... the steps and process is very open

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Should be open to public scrutiny

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: thus mentioned is it not good that we have 2 person willing to pay 60k for each (estimated ahhh), that is revenue to the state

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Possibly

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: else ask reform party go mgt lah since they so red eye

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Hopelessly unreformed!

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: go mgt all these empty bnw houses .... do singapore a favour use action dun just use mouth and stir shit

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: worst den his father

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: LHL or KJ!?

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: at least that old man fight with a more stylo way and not stir shit

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: lhl reform party meh

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: hahahahaha

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: LSY says President should be updated and if so request for public scrutiny of the proceedings

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good suggestions...

Perhaps, going forward, for the sake and sanity of governance of such issues...a committee comprising up to 30% are members of the public who are non-partisan nor holding any public or private offices. Simply, a member of the public with nil conflict of interest to all..

Workable?

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: liek that need to check bank account periodically

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Worth considering

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I use to stay in one in the year 2000.

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: need them to declare where and where they going for tour

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: need them to declare how many cars and properties they have and intend to buy

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: siao lah

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: people also got life wan

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Open to parliament only at each new term of government.

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I stay there twice in one of the 2000 and beyond 2000.

No body make noise.

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like that not only make sure all in parliament get affect better still those affiliated to pollical  party better be affected so that to ensure highest level of integrity

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: You are not public appointed figure so why scrutiny

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: U not portfolio minister

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: hahahahahahah

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if u yes ppl will red eye and say why u stay there for holiday while SLA can rent it out for longer term waste of state resources

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Like yourself, is eligible...unless you are a former civil servant, that is one exclusion clause!

Btw, these members of the public do not need a PhD nor masters degree to be admissible into this public service! 

Thanks, Andrew!

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yah, that why - why want to be Ministers or MP.

All these trivial things make so big.

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: I think the main concern is not the minsters staying at these bungalows,  it’s perfectly alright for them to stay at these places, it’s the bidding process that people are more wary cause the public is unsure if the ministers gotten any insider info and benefited themselves through the process

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: yeah next time even the number of times go loo will be disclosed

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: whats the gain for minister to get this rental areas

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: unless those kp people have 60 to burnt

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but dun know the process

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: https://www.insider.com/singapore-black-and-white-colonial-bungalow-inside-photos-2022-5

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: they can outbid mr k and mR V

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: MESSAGE SENDING OUT IS if you really like the place dun buy hdb for 1 million bid this place for 1 million sure to get

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: out bid the 60k

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree.

[0:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Not sure if got insiders saying that's it's not fair. You never know

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Like a Trump fixer. Trump is innocent because if the fixer says I will handle it. Then it's the fixer fault. He paid off Daniel and hide the photos. Seriously do we want such politician, more like gangster.

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I will deal with it boss

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Remember when there's smoke there a fire

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Why nobody know that MP live in rental property since now.

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Unless someone fogging

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Something hide the true

[0:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: SLA is government are authority for land private and HDB 

HDB lease expired SLA ordered state of return land. 

But can MP enjoy benefit claim for reason bid?

[0:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree

[0:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: When he leaves parliamentary hearing too often they may wonder hahahaha

[0:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The are Public figure

[0:42 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

Actually these bungalows vacant for so many years.

Nobody wants to rent.

Now the Ministers rent it above the market rental price - not below.

So on the look at the surface level - I am not sure what benefits or special treatment these Ministers get - except they pay more.

Short of details - as it stands now, I don't see how the Ministers benefits from it.

But anyway, let the commission lay out the facts, then we will know if indeed privileges are given.

As of now, I think this issue is overhype.

[0:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Yes - in fact now that the report is not out, with a lack of details not sure what’s the purpose of talking about it

[0:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Now millions know these two hot Numbers that are 26 & 31...

So the next issue is the privacy of the occupants and thereafter, the security protocols?

Thanks, Danny!

[0:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yesterday I took a bus and the bus captain said he can drive however he wants. I told him the bus does not belong to him. The same applies to the MP. They are the custodian of Singapore wealth and assets. They cannot anyhow use their likes or benefit. If they are proper their status will be good for election if not then the systems has to change

[0:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I think the driver literally took captain of bus to be his own. I told him if this how he drive his private bus. I would not take it

[0:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: It's a sbs bus driver

[0:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: So if MP don't drive properly. We need to replace the driver

[0:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Is there a committee for privileges and entitlements already exist?

If not, it's timely to form an independent committee?

[0:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Move house for safety and sanity?

(搬家 ?)

[0:49 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: All the SLA needs to do is revelation the bids etc and the matter is closed: In its statement, SLA gave details of how the properties came to be rented by the ministers. It did not say how many bids were received, or how much the properties were rented out for. More details on the matter will be provided when Parliament next sits in July, it added.

[0:50 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Just like how public servants will declare if they are holding any company shares, it will be good to declare any conflict of interests in the bidding process. As public figures and representatives of the company, it will be better to avoid it totally to avoid any doubts and mistrusts. In Chinese we call it 避嫌

[0:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree. I remember one cadre ask LKY to help him get flat. LKY says if I do what will voters think of him. This was shared by the cadre how upright LKY is.

[0:54 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Remember the $1,500 per bike saga

[0:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Brompton foldable bike

[0:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: i think there was some issues with the way the tender was handled.

[1:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Exactly. Simple and Transparent .

[1:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: If so, then come clean. Admit a mistake. Take the consequences. 

If not, then show the process is fair and how decisions were made.

[1:21 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This colonial bungalow very well renovated and decorated.

The one I stay more ulu.

2nd floor make of wood.

At night can hear someone walking outside and the wood creaking.

Furniture on the 1st floor moving and making noise.

We stay at the 2nd floor, trembling when we heard these noises.

[1:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But the next morning when we check with the cleaner anyone come in at night, the cleaner say no one will come in at night.

When we share our paranormal experience with the cleaner, the cleaner laugh and say many people who come for short stay share similar experiences.

So if people are interested to have some paranormal experience, can bid and rent it - to experience the frightening nights.

[1:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Still, I expect government to select pro on their side more than neutral

[1:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[1:50 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is said those chalets at changi (selected ones have such services also when sun goes home

[1:52 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

You mean, cleaners come in at night into the bungalow?

[1:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no the unseens cleaners

[1:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

At night, many unseen things.

When the noise appears, I come out from my room to check, but no one around and the noise stop.

The moment I lock my room, the noise appears again.

[1:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The door connects to the noise in some mystical ways hahaha

[1:57 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My maid in another room, switch on the light whole night.

Next morning, she complained to us - sir whole night got hantu.

Got noise and people walking outside the corridor - saya tahku.

[1:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 😄😳🤷‍♂️

[1:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Have faith with our systems of governance!

First thing First, there is a need to invite "NEUTRALISED" citizens' into such a committee, if there is one, if not let's establish one sooner than later to once and for all sake, clear the air!

Thanks, Andrew for bringing it up.

[2:00 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Takut

[2:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Ro…

[2:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: haiya the internet is full of barking comments already which i think those people do not know how these Bnw Houses bidding are and whats the avg cost to even RENT one ...

[2:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really frogs in teh well

[2:34 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MAS to combat tech-enabled scams like using deepfake calls in unauthorised bank transactions.            

MAS taking pro-active actions - including biometric authentication.                                         

Good that the REACH discussion - bring MAS active involvement with banks.        

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/mas-to-combat-tech-enabled-scams-like-deep-fake-calls-and-unauthorised-bank-transactions

[2:35 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Can't be done remotely though :) If you lose your phone and have Face Recognition as your unlock key, then just use Find My Phone to disable it.

[2:36 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/facial-recognition

Facial recognition can also be hacked.

[2:37 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Biometric authentication not foolproof - as they are converted into digital data that can be hacked.

Either by man in the middle attack or illegally access.

That's why only hybrid authentication is foolproof.

[2:38 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/products/blackberry-cybersecurity

This one blackberry network system can cybersecurity hackers

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: AI will come with latest technology system network maybe I think it’s can target the scam

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Anything can be hacked. So if you want to be online you are at risk. Just have to determine the level of risk. More chance being killed crossing the road than having your phone remotely hacked by Face Recognition.

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MAS reply that it will consider call back verification and discuss with the financial industry.

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Secure and efficiency are raise.

Of course call back verification is secure but not as efficient.

But compare to $1.3 billion lost and banks got to compensate - double loss of $2.6 billion, the inefficient callback could be worth it.

[2:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: No system is foolproof. Except maybe blockchain.... even that has had some cases of 51% attack.

[2:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Change topic to scam liao?

[2:49 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Even fingerprint biometric can be hacked.

[2:51 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So even biometric authentication are not foolproof.

[2:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the law for scam mers is not tough enuff same for loan sharking

[2:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: though the head cannot be chop the law can start chopping the legs and hands so that it will not spawn itself

[2:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is to preempt MAS who are working with banks to try out biometric authentication as a foolproof login authentication.

My message to MAS is that biometric authentication not good enough.

[3:01 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Blockchain can be hacked.

[3:04 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.epiqglobal.com/en-us/resource-center/articles/blockchain-can-be-hacked

[3:05 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Full digital is not foolproof.

All security gurus will tell everyone this.

And they are absolutely correct.

[3:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: I'm not getting into this on this thread. Exchanges were hacked, blockchain was not hacked. https://www.techopedia.com/can-the-blockchain-be-hacked/2/33623#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%2C%20from%20a,blockchain%20itself%20cannot%20be%20hacked.

[3:15 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hackers gain control of more than 51% of the mining process can create a 2nd version of the Blockchain.

[3:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or vulnerability in Blockchain creation.

[3:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: A good representative information sheet.

Perhaps, to further simplify so that it will take up to 2 minutes to completely comprehend these facts?

Likewise, for the public bulletin, please shorten the message for up to 1 minute of reading time?

Possible?

Thank you.

[3:43 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: How about YouTube or TikTok informedia clips?

Please do it in under 1 minute?

Most brains will receive the best, the first 2 minutes of targeted information!

Thank you.

[3:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Caleb: https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/lifestyle-services/my-smart-network/scamcallprotect?utm_source=singtel&utm_medium=singtel-edm&utm_campaign=DAILY-security-suite-daily_security_blast_edm&utm_term=&utm_content=scamprotect_landing

Finally singtel telco got this

[3:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Caleb: Scam Call Protect is FREE for all Singtel Mobile and Fixed-line customers. Plus, did you know that Singtel 5G is ultra-secure with additional layers of encryption? Find out more here.

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[3:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: SLA carries out so many bidding according to the approved procedure, it should not have any problem, right?

[4:06 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Encryption available on 4g or lte as well on 5g, the different is diameter protocol vs gtp protocol

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no concern but many are concern when big shot are involved in this case minister

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: then why not also say big shot who are filthy rich , do not they get special treatment also

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: aka if one day is chow yuen fatt put in the bid and all details really shows is the actor will he get special treatment also

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If they follow the same procedure, what makes them so special in the bidding?

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like in some pte hospital they have vip and vvip patients ...

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ask the public ... is like taking airplane

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: you have membership tier and vvip vip tier (without membership) why people is not complaining about that

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is because minister are involved

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if it is blank panties u think they bother

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If they do not follow the standard procedure, then there is an issue,?  unless our intention is to want them not to follow standard procedure..

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: instead they will say wahh good service .... show Singapore is friendly...

[4:10 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: thus at least to me i think this is a no case and time wasting .....

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: in life there are bound some people will get preference treatment due to various reason handicap / media star (vip vvip) / dignitaries

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: even in war vvip and vip will get to evacuate first .. what can man on the street do .....

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Media star is the popularity

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if really wan to be fair den it will be communist state everything belong to the state

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: all get the same treatment and pay

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but in todays world even the communist state is not really communist can it need to evolve to up keep with the rest of the world

[4:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Even communist state is not equal now!

[4:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously not sure why this is bring brought up -> to ensure there is fairness in bidding OR to show why minister can bid and live in such big property ?

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Communists state. The rulers have all the perks hahaha

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yup

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Last few page can focus on offence, penalty in 1 page?

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Unnecessary issues really!

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if it is the 2nd reason then one have to ask why different people have different lives instead

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why some live in 3 room

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why some in 4 room why some in 5 / ec or condo

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: or it is just green eye reason and for stirring public shit that this was brought up

[4:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If all follow the process, don't think it is an issue

[4:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sometimes i thing ppl here make better oppo than those in the so call i love singapore and needs an oppo to rain check the incumbent

[4:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the issue is if such nonsense still carry on soon we will see shoes flying and stupid argument in parliament .... that will be the biggest crack for us ALL because it shows the govt is weak and meek that rubbish can take place at state level meeting

[4:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: The drama in Taiwan parliament?

[4:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ehh dun say liek that reh hahahahaha

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: just because others are we must ensure we do not follow them mah

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Caleb,

Good information to us.

Do you know the scam hotlines to share with us

Thank you.

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if our dear oppo nit pick well i am sure we public can nit pick on them with stupid things also

[4:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: instead of address more serious matter

[4:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: It was reported on BBC, Reuters, etc from 2013 till 2020... Very hard to forget.

[4:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: we shoudl learn to be contented here yes there are many issues which needs to be address

[4:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but such monkey issues should not be put on the table and stir shit

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like someone mentioned earlier there are more impt matters to address which affects the livelihood of the man on the street aka the nation , supply chain matters, defense matters , global political gang rivalry matters  and there we have a clown who says why minister can stay in these house

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: might as well say why minister cannot stay in HDB or in rented HDB house

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Equal? (命水？同名不同命?)

"Who says life is equal? And how about the animals kingdom, are they equal too? Is it fated, or was it destiny in play or it is totally coincidence and the dimensions of time happens to be a simulation of many lifes, on and on?"

- - anonymity

[4:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: nah nah see even animals circle is not equal ... i just dun wan say .. no need phd also knwo nothing is equal else how to derive motion (progress)

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Fingerprints  => clone of fingerprint; Voice => AI impersonator

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is like ground rumors calling to swing of votes just because they cannot get a house or car

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/experts-warn-of-voice/

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: might as well say govt revoke ur citizenship because u freaking hell dun give birth .. just wan a house to sleep make love and go tour

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: waste of resources

[4:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: silly thinking we have now with the generations of young

[4:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thanks, Ah Heng!

[4:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no need thanks me i am old man got think i sure say some are super hard truth

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: more hard than LKY book of Hard Truth

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thinking hard, or over thinking or otherwise!

Thanks, Ah Heng!

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Millennium generation will suffer life greatly with AI, drones and chatgpt

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ai and drones and chatgpt is their father and mother now

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Yes Sir!

The biggest challenges in life, going forward, is yet to be!

Thanks, Andrew for bringing it up!

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: technology will be the bane of human kind in time to come

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you, Ah Heng!

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not using voice as authentication.

But bank call back to bank customers, verify its identity through various personal parameters known only to the legitimate customer.

Before authorise transfer.

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos is over used in the disguise of making life better

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: spam and ai scamming is one of such results

[4:35 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Wow! That's augmented deep learning AI, soon preview!

Thanks, Danny!

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Already, the creator chatgpt is asking Congress for legislation to control AI as its expected to surpass human intervention in about ten years time!

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Good move

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Blockchain susceptible to Insider threat.

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Worth reading?

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Ro…

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Generative humanoid voicing+images

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Ah Heng you sound young 🌱

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: old ...

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: all books are worth reading depending on the direct of reader

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: direction sorry

[4:45 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The best, do video conferencing, show face and show IC to bank staff.

Agree a transfer of certain amount to who and who has taken place.

Bank record the video conferencing as approval of online transfer.

Better than biometric authentication - fingerprint, facial recognition or voice recognition.

[4:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos all books will return some interesting findings to a reader

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: can i share something from the social media here (not a fav person of mine) but for one i agree with him

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: clavin cheng wrote it

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the best minds are not in government. If any were, business would steal them away. - Ronald Reagan”

Singapore has been extraordinary chiefly because of extraordinary leadership.

Part of this was because of our unique scholarship system which groomed the best for the civil service, and some of them moved into politics. Part of this was because the government started to pay well.

But even with good pay, it has been hard to attract the best people from the private sector to join politics.

Ministers Shanmugan and Vivian were two exceptions. Chaps who gave up lucrative private careers to enter Government.

They made big financial sacrifices. It is well known that Shan’s first year Ministerial salary wasn’t able to cover his previous year’s tax bill. Over the last decade, his financial ‘sacrifice’ was probably upwards of 45 million or more (6 as a lawyer minus 1.5 as a minister. Probably more, because a private citizen can invest in many more business opportunities).

But it isn’t just about money.

Over the last week or so, we have seen these two ministers being doxxed and harassed. Everyone now knows where they live.

And for what? I am 100% certain that the ministers followed proper process. I am also confident about the facts I laid out in the last few days : pre-Covid, black and white houses catered to a niche demographic. Rentals were a fraction of privately-owned GCBs, because very few people want to live in 100 year old houses they cannot refurbish.

Things have been especially bad for Min Shan. Over the years, Shan has taken the unenviable role as the ‘tough guy’ in the cabinet. He hasn’t been afraid to push unpopular policies, or to take on anyone he feels threatens the welfare of Singaporeans.

He made many enemies, and everyone of these have come out of the woodwork and taken a stab at him. They are cowards.

The inquiry will show that the Ministers did no wrong.

But the damage would have been done.

Financial sacrifice is one thing. But to put yourself out there, and become the victims of vindictive witch-hunts is another.

If I were Ministers Shan and Vivian, I would retire, and ride off into the sunset in an open top Ferrari with my middle finger in the air.

But they are better people than me.

We need to stop this.

Otherwise we are going to end up like other countries, where the best people are in business , and only the mediocre, and those who crave power enter politics.

And it will be Singaporeans who suffer.

[4:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Very well written.

This is exactly the point we want to drive.

Witch-hunt on the best people serving us - is as good as shooting ourselves on the feet.

Oppositions will try their best to do it - preying on gullible voters

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: totally agree

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: which haunt those who do not serve us and try to stir shit instead hahahahhaa

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really eat liao too full nothing to do or shit those people

[4:56 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: again i make my stance i stand neither with any political parties but from a normal man on the street view

[4:56 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: some of the topic for discussion here is really no need what education also can thing proper de

[4:57 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Like visiting a bank branch to approve the online transaction.

[4:57 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos read a few times of the issue one will know if it is a shit stirring issue

[5:08 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Beijing subway line pilots palm print payment system"

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/palm-print-payment-beijing-metro-tencent-china-wechat-3510861#:~:text=Beijing%20subway%20line%20pilots%20palm%20print%20payment%20system

[5:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Wow..

[5:11 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Use palm authentication, China commuters will pay metro by deducting it's WeChat account from Tencent.

But if hackers can replicate the unique palm print from a victim by stealing from Tencent palm print database - imprint into a hand grove - then the poor victims will pay the hacker metro ride - though not easy but not impossible.

[5:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Haha like those days of international calls where they hacked someone's account to use

[5:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Anything is possible.

[5:23 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Saw a spy movie who replicate a guy palm print to gain access to a highly restricted area.

Technically, it is possible because palm print biometric are converted into digital data using math model.

All images are done this way and can be copied.

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

All biometric images are done this way.

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Singapore have it

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh is it?

I didn't see anyone using palm print to access the MRT.

I only see people using simplygo - smartphone or smart watch using NFC.

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Not mrt only shop

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless ica

[5:29 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Ica use Interpol biometric database.

[5:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://youtu.be/Q5A-iDhCu_k

[5:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: There is no staffs service in 24hrs store.

[5:32 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wow, I won't put my palm there - as my unique palm print will be captured by the backend system.

If this system is compromised, my unique palm print can in future be copied to access financial or ICA system.

[5:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Excellent

[5:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Is the gateway cls level 4 + others certification certified?  If yes, it should have achieved min security standards, and database should be secured.

[5:38 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://www.enterprisesg.gov.sg/resources/inspiring-stories/others/octobox

[5:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1970

MINISTERS’ salaries are raised for the first time in independent Singapore, from $2,500 a month to $4,500.

Their wages were previously frozen to set an example of wage restraint for other Singaporeans in the young country.

Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew tells Parliament that the salaries are being raised because he wants to appoint newly elected MP Hon Sui Sen, who used to head the Development Bank of Singapore, as the Finance Minister.

Earlier that year, Law Minister E.W. Barker had asked to leave politics as he could not afford his mortgage, which was based on his former income as a lawyer.

It is ‘not fair’ and ‘unrealistic’ to ask ministers to earn a wage ‘out of all proportion to what they were earning outside the Government and whose family needs are also pressing’, says Mr Lee in Parliament.

Also, it will be impossible to attract men of integrity and ability to become ministers with the existing pay once the current ministers leave office.

His own pay will, however, remain at $3,500 to demonstrate his commitment to the policy of no wage increases without productivity growth, he says.

Our Distinguished PM Lee Kuan Yew

[5:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Seems like need to comply with pci standard as well

[5:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1981

By March this year, ministers’ monthly pay has increased to $11,500. Mr Lee’s pay is now $16,500.

Mr Lee notes in Parliament that times have changed since the ‘revolutionary conditions’ of the 1950s and 1960s, when people were more willing to sacrifice for their ideals and ministers could be recruited from both Singapore and Malaya.

Said Mr Lee: ‘Now, our selection is confined only to Singaporeans. This makes it all the more crucial that some six to 10 of the best in the professions, from banking, and from industry, be recruited into the political leadership. Otherwise the Cabinet will simply not be equal to the more complex tasks of government.’

[5:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1993

An impending pay rise for ministers is announced in December.

Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong tells Parliament that while he cannot pay ministers what they would earn in the private sector, the pay must still be such that the younger generation would consider it worth sacrificing their previous comforts and privacy for.

He is already finding it increasingly difficult to persuade talented individuals to become ministers, he says.

While acknowledging the political cost of the pay increase, Mr Goh said: ‘If we do not pay ministers adequately, we will get inadequate ministers. If you pay peanuts, you will get monkeys for your ministers. The people will suffer, not the monkeys.’

[5:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 2000

Extensive revision of the salary structure for ministers and civil servants. Junior ministers’ pay lags behind at just 10 per cent of the benchmark. The benchmark itself is found to be too narrow and unrepresentative.

The benchmark for a junior minister’s pay is changed to two-thirds of the median income of the top eight earners in six professions.

The new formula considers a broader sample – the top 48 earners instead of the previous 24. And to avoid being skewed upwards by a few extremely high earners, it uses median instead of average income and only considers half of the stock options awarded to the top earners.

The previous fixed salary points for ministers are converted to salary ranges. Junior ministers are now appointed at the MR4 range, a system still in place today.

The variable component of ministers’ pay is increased from 30 to 40 per cent. This way, a larger part of a minister’s pay will depend on his performance and the state of the economy, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

For the first time, a new gross domestic product-related bonus of up to two months is introduced under the ministers’ variable pay. It will later range from zero to six months.

The performance bonus of ministers also rises to five months’ pay, from an average of four months’ pay.

However, the President, Prime Minister and Senior Minister remain at fixed salary points and receive fixed bonuses.

After the revision, the Prime minister receives a yearly pay of $1.94 million and a junior minister, $968,000.

Again, the topic is hotly debated in the House. Many MPs criticise the timing of the raise, which comes after a transport fare hike and when workers’ CPF cuts have not been restored.

Mr Chiam repeats his 1994 call for moderation and a monthly salary of $50,000 for ministers – enough to pay for a bungalow, servants, two cars, annual holidays and their children’s education.[5:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 2011

Ministers’ pay in 2010 stood at 67 per cent of the benchmark after planned increments were deferred due to the 2009 financial crisis.

About 40 per cent of their pay is variable. Performance bonus can range from zero to 14 months, while GDP bonus varies from zero to eight months.

The issue of political salaries is a contentious one in the May general election and even in the August presidential election, when two of the four candidates pledge to donate part of their pay to charity if elected.

On May 21, PM Lee Hsien Loong announces that he has appointed a committee to review political salaries.

This week, the committee, headed by Mr Gerard Ee, releases its recommendations in a report titled ‘Salaries for a capable and committed government’.

It prop…

[5:54 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: In Memory of our Distinguished Minister of Law - E W Barker 

The pay cut and pains...

"But he was not a reluctant politician, as sometimes painted in the media. He contested the 1963 elections because then PM Lee Kuan Yew asked him to. But his personal reasons were deeply patriotic. "I joined for Singapore. I was born, bred, educated here. There's a feeling of attachment and loyalty," he told legal historian Kevin Tan after he retired from politics.

Mr Barker took a steep pay cut to join the Cabinet. His first pay cheque as law minister in 1964 was $2,500, not enough to pay his mortgage - which had been pegged to his previous income as a lawyer - and support his family of four school-going children. He asked to leave to return to law practice a few times, PM Lee later told Parliament, because he was struggling to meet his family commitments. In 1970, when ministerial salaries were raised to $4,500, his peers were earning $20,000 a month.

Yet Mr Barker stayed on because he enjoyed serving the nation, making a difference in the lives of Singaporeans..."

[5:55 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

User id, password, OTP stolen - still can change.

But if unique biometric fingerprint, facial recognition, iris, voice stolen - cannot change.

It stay with you forever.

Unless one do plastic surgery to change face, do a skin graft in fingers and palm, or go for surgery to change eyes or change voice cord.

Thus if want to use biometric authentication - better think twice, thrice, multiple times.

[5:57 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Any further adjustment of salary must be explained publicly and debated in Parliament openly with adequate coverage on free to air tv, radio and local print media before implementation .

[5:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: There is a saying, "great Leaders All are great communicators..."

Thanks, Andrew for raising it.

[5:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Can we all SEE that circumstances change over the course of time....from the 1970s to today!

Great Leadership also includes circumstances!

[5:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:00 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think is a first release 2019 since the case this year.

If this company license under ICA

[6:00 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thanks, Andrew!

The rest of history!

Just a moment of silence and reflection...

Thanks, Andrew!

[6:01 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Cheers Mate!

[6:01 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My hindsights tell me biometric authentication - harmful to users.

It is the ultimate.

Lose it once, lose it forever, unless you are reborn.

[6:02 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Always seeking an alternative and new perspective from history!

Thanks, Andrew!

[6:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Sigh… don’t tell me Singapore developers are yet to make united all in one system.

China already did all in one system but don’t know what’s is outcome biometric authentication

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Government intervention needed!?

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I remember iPhone 6s all user under one system fingerprint ID

[6:05 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Fingerprint did apple collect worldwide data to store in? I obviously never happen.

[6:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Blackberry setup new cybersecurity system network under one system.

[6:10 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That means if a hacker steal Mr A fingerprint.

The hacker virtually can steal his bank account, ride on metro, go pass immigration and travel overseas using the victim identity.

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: AI can read anyone when the hacker attack AI under cybersecurity alert

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the only way Mr A can change his identity is to reborn as another person with a unique fingerprint, eyes, palm, facial, voice.

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Your SingPass won’t steal another.

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: All is need cybersecurity is one of power AI

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singpass can change if stolen.

Biometric cannot change.

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Impossible can’t be stole

[6:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: My advise is best choice iOS than android

[6:14 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh Singpass can't be stolen?

[6:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Pity those who can only afford android!

[6:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Hmm but don’t mind me comments this question I am not perfect 100% only developers company will work close to government

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nothing to do with android or iOS.

Singpass still can be stolen.

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 😞🤦‍♂️

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Verity’s ID face

[6:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else government will not tell user not to disclose userid, password of Singpass.

[6:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Unmatched won’t open SingPass otherwise can be blocked

[6:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Biometric including facial recognition can be hack.

[6:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Biometric is not ready in SingPass 

But I believe government is working close other company project

[6:19 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My phone run out of battery.

Pse see the above how facial recognition can be hacked.

[6:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you note SingPass forgot password they will verity ID face

[6:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Things is different

[6:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Let me say SingPass everyone have a IC with photo when verity match

[6:22 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My phone run out of battery cannot respond anymore.

[6:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Then 60 seconds close and login out

[6:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 60 seconds too long!?

[6:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Is 1mins

[6:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you need super fast how long to take 😂

[6:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: But important never give anyone nor share personal details otherwise mule scam money to sell user

[6:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Older people better won’t use SingPass because they non education.

[6:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: A problem area!

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Let it beyond general public

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: IOS is a closed ecosystem, whereas android and harmony is open ecosystem

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: App SingPass are separate

[6:36 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Biometrics is not full proof of security on its own, which is why the industry pushes out multimode authentication, similar to multi factor authentication vs single authentication. In the future maybe cips implant inserted skin (nfc) + facial recognition + retina scanning and palm scanning or even further away genetic scanning or carbon code scanning 🤷‍♂️

[6:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:49 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: https://mustsharenews.com/woodleigh-mall-no-reception/?utm_source=telegram

[6:56 pm, 24/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Talking about educating the hawker tray return is a very good example

[6:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: @~Ah HENG saying thanks is basically a respect and appreciation of your sharing be it good or not

[6:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 24 May, 2023

To: Our Distinguished Leaders, All Honorable Members and the Members of the Public

The Contestations of Ideology and Reality?

The old school of thinking was to pay one's worthy effort for a tale of silver or less than, that's it! The modern thoughts of compensation 新加坡总统批准。老师，谢谢！ to pay according to the contribution of a person's effort in creating economics and non economics (包山包海) benefits to an organisation or larger circumstances; it's more than monetary rewards, it can also include a small stake in the organisation or free accomodations and other incidentals cost of living; all are merits! 

Are there real concerns with the new ways of compensation with exceptional circumstances (特殊情况) with it an individual or a group of individuals are continuously contributing to the betterment of the larger others. Wouldn't any enterprise do the same things to retain their Talents and one commonality in retaining your valuable talents is through perks otherwise known as entitlements and privileges. It's about competition, talents and productivity at all levels of a nation. 

Anything wrong doings, that is Integrity, Honesty and Merits? Or no issue at all!

"There is no rite and there is no wrong; the rite proves it's rite and the wrong proves it's wrong...so what is rite and what is wrong?"

- - anonymity 

PEG Council?

Is there a committee for Privileges, Entitlements and Governance?

If not, it's timely to form an independent Council called PEG?

Perhaps, going forward, for the sake and sanity of governance of such Public sensitive issues; including executives from the attorney general office, auditor general office and Members of Parliament. A Council comprising up to 30% are members of the public who are non-partisan nor holding any public or private offices and no ex- civil servant nor ex-politician in it. 

Simply, up to 30%, are members of the Public with nil conflict of interest to all! These members of the public do not need a PhD nor masters degree to be admissible into this Honorable Council.

All Members must be citizens by birth and reside in Singapore for the minimum last twenty years and age between 40 years to 80 years. 

Appointment wise, for all members to serve a maximum of two terms and each term lasted four years to be vetted and appointed by the Parliament and approved by the Office of the President.

           - - in progress - -

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