REACH 460 -   What are your views on wage growth over the past year? How can firms, workers and the Government work together to ensure wages keep pace with rising costs amid an uncertain economic outlook?

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 31 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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[9:59 am, 31/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Nominal total wages rose by 6.5 per cent in 2022, a significantly higher increase than 3.9 per cent in 2021 and the highest in a decade, according to data released by MOM on 29 May (Mon). However, after accounting for inflation, real wage growth slowed significantly to 0.4 per cent in 2022 as compared to 1.6 per cent in 2021. 

💬 What are your views on wage growth over the past year? How can firms, workers and the Government work together to ensure wages keep pace with rising costs amid an uncertain economic outlook?

📌 More Profitable Firms

Nearly three in four establishments in Singapore gave wage increases as business activities picked up last year, with the magnitude of increase being larger than in 2021.

"As the Singapore economy continued to grow in 2022, there was a strong increase in the proportion of profitable firms. As a result, more firms were able to raise their employees’ wages in 2022 compared to 2021," said the ministry.

📌 Higher wage growth across industries

All industries also saw higher wage growth in 2022 compared to 2021, though the accommodation and retail trade sectors experienced higher increases amid a strong recovery in tourism demand. Firms in manufacturing and wholesale trade registered smaller wage increases amid global trade slowdowns.

📌 Total wage growth to moderate in 2023

While recent polls indicated more firms were looking to raise their employees' wages this year, MOM said that total nominal and real wage growth are expected to moderate in 2023. MOM noted that "against the backdrop of the global economic slowdown and a more uncertain business environment, firms are likely to take a cautious approach regarding salary increments."

"To remain competitive and resilient amidst these global developments, we encourage firms and workers to press on with business and workforce transformation, and make full use of government programmes to adapt to the changing environment," said MOM.

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/real-wage-growth-singapore-dampened-inflation-nominal-3522536

👉 To view the full report, click here: https://stats.mom.gov.sg/iMAS_PdfLibrary/mrsd-report-on-wage-practices-2022.pdf#page=5

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[10:21 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: CASE could be more proactive and not just wait for people to write to them.

Start with NTUC and their dividend policy that needs to be scrapped if NTUC is going to be our price leader.

Then scrutinise NTUC sourcing and pricing depts.

eg: 

Tesco wine gums is priced #1 ($1.7) in UK retail shop. NTUC sold it for $2.55 at retail. 

Price of chicken - chicken rice seller can buy $6.5/kg, NTUC sell public at $9/kg

Why is there such a huge disparity?  What more can NTUC do to bring down their prices?

Once we get a better price leader, real inflation would go down and wage growth would be higher.

[10:28 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Can’t compare other country. 

If you buy wine there is more cheaper. Because Singapore order is supplier with duty payment tax and land tax on business and wage profit.

[10:30 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: wine gums are a kind of yummy gummy sweet snack. no alcohol tax.

chicken prices are based on straitstimes reporting and are what singaporean chicken rice sellers get from their suppliers.

[10:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: for wine gums, i would expect perhaps a slight increase but not 50% increase!

[10:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think wine gum or foods supplier also tax

[10:32 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Imagine iPhone in USA cheaper than Singapore

[10:35 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Sweelee, guitar seller, realise this couple of years back and when they realise people were buying from overseas, their prices now are about the same as overseas sellers.  But guitars are not essential products and people can choose not to buy.

Unfortunately for us, food is essential item and we don't have choices.

[10:50 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Fairprice rebate should follow current gst rate with lower qualifying spending

[10:52 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: i think fairprice is registered as a cooperative and they are not subject to the standard company tax which is much higher. thus their prices should be lower than sheng siong, a listed company.

[10:53 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Current rebate for senior on certain days must be doubled.

[10:57 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: the profits that fairprice is making

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1060515/ntuc-fairprice-co-op-profit-before-tax/

[10:57 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: $100M+

[10:58 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Sucking the life out of singaporeans!

[11:00 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Not bad

[11:04 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: For them as an organisation but not for Singapore's overall real cost of living and trying to reduce Singapore's inflation and increase our real wage.

[11:08 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: some facts we have to face in a capitalism world :

All business are out to make a profit

All workers are out to make the most money from the company 

Economy are driven by these so call business people whose aim again is out to make a profit 

Despite increase in so call salary but can it outweigh even the current so call inflation

[11:09 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: to some -resign to fate and nature of the business cycle WHILE some who read further will see it is due to some country and gang that is root cause of the problem

[11:09 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: want to have a balance -> impossible it was never meant to be that way

[11:10 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: those who can start and maintain business -> only one thing to make more from the consumer

[11:10 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: while consumer on the other hand is stupidly keep getting played into the hands of the business

[11:11 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but if consumer start to retaliate .. business suffer closed shop more will loose jobs

[11:11 am, 31/05/2023] +~L: Good to see wage increases are marginally above inflation - many countries are not so fortunate.

Also fortunate that SGD has maintained its value. A drop in currency adds to inflation usually.

[11:11 am, 31/05/2023] +Ah Heng: so how to strike a balance unless the root is eradicated

[11:13 am, 31/05/2023] +Rose M K Ho: Sori, I missed out on e everything but all I wanna say is ...

Suggest tt the 2 houses either:

。 conserved, then open up for public visits or use as short vacay stay

。Be torn down & rebuilt

。 after rebuild, perhaps put in public trust & managed ... like get a pte firm to run it ... for short vacation stay or run as holiday house

。dun bother renting out to ppl to try to make money. That is old fashioned style of thinking.

Tks.

[11:18 am, 31/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Precisely I think NTUC is a “social enterprise”

[11:18 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: https://www.fairpricegroup.com.sg/do-good/projects/

[11:18 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: while we are on the topic of fairprice earning 100 million in profit, it is worth noting that their revenue is actually around 3,700 million. the earnings of the fairprice cooperative is also channeled back to the NTUC to support other initiatives.

[11:19 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: example of NTUC programs

[11:20 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeap tap the poor and give to?

[11:20 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: only the poor buys from fairprice? the people spending in fairprice are across all demographics

[11:20 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Like the animal farm. Who earns the profit the pigs

[11:21 am, 31/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Something interesting 

My daughter once was a part timer direct employ by NTUC and there are part timers from agency.

Surprise!!! The part timers from agency got higher pay then direct employment from NTUC 🤔🧐

They’re all same part time packers.

[11:22 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: https://www.ntuc.org.sg/uportal/programmes

list of all their programmes

[11:25 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Tap the poor to fund the programs

[11:26 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: All along I thought government funded these programs

[11:27 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: government adopts a bottom-up approach, encouraging organization to take the lead in making changes for the community. and then government put in resource to support alongside.

[11:27 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Fair price from what I hear it to prevent inflation seems they are adding to the inflation?

[11:27 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah like PA, the staff stands and the volunteers do the work and outreach. Interesting concept

[11:27 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: in the same way the government don't give directly to charity but adopt a dollar for dollar matching for institute of public character, this ensure that the organizations are doing their part to engage donors to give more

[11:28 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I feel we are becoming like the story of the animal farm

[11:29 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: There's a good system in place

[11:29 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Net profit is lose than previous 2021

[11:30 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: We get tax out as volunteers… not all PA staff really into it…

One is either they pay them too low for working over all holidays and weekend.

[11:30 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: It is really a job of passion and for the young ones

[11:30 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: NTUC FairPrice is given wage increments than take net profit

[11:30 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: So the ntuc here is FairPrice or  national trade union ?

[11:30 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Because of the inflation rate soar

[11:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: 4 to 6% currently… for pay increase

[11:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Siong Shang is highest profit

[11:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: I am surprise

[11:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: They share profit with staff

[11:31 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: Incentive to keep low wastage…

[11:32 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: NTUC profit keep, lose also not their issue. Workers heart not with company to ensure efficient usage of resource

[11:32 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Haha soon there will be another inquiry on how Fairprice spend their income - hmm interesting

[11:32 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: What are your views on wage growth over the past year? How can firms, workers and the Government work together to ensure wages keep pace with rising costs amid an uncertain economic outlook?

My views are that government has poured in significant investment in encourage upskilling among workers, and they are also underway in opening up more foreign opportunities. businesses will continue to need support from government to enable them to study and create opportunities in these new destinations. case in point, the recent Kazakhstan signing will need time to materialize for local businesses. so perhaps more programs to help local businesses and keep track of their progress in these new markets.

[11:32 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: FairPrice is the social enterprise arm of the union

[11:33 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: Do we pay the senior management a lot to upkeep trade union ?

[11:34 am, 31/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Inflation affected wagers and right to increase price goods

[11:34 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: The poor will compare with sheng sing and giant.

[11:34 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: Not sure who own trade union nowadays as I always thgt fair price is GLC but private  company

[11:35 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Trade union is clouded when politicians are part of them

[11:35 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: I can see Sheng Xiong hire a lot of non local compare to ntuc . Alt ntuc cost more I buy from ntuc for some .

[11:35 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: Ntuc hire more local old folk like MacDonald

[11:35 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: The one who feeds the swine

[11:35 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah. They should change job if they are not passionate. Works for all job. I met a service personel in a Telco company ride to customers. It applies to all job. Don't like it resign. Don't suffer take control. Same with MPs

[11:36 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Neither

[11:36 am, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[11:36 am, 31/05/2023] +Darius Lee: Government needs to keep track of real income, meaning income after adjusting for inflation. The pressure on lower-income households caused by inflation, rising interest rates, etc. is real and leads to real cost-of-living issues. Part of the solution is to maintain continued growth, but another key aspect is managing inflationary pressures.

Speeding up our processes to harness technology in our work may be a key solution, and worth more Government investment in this area

[11:37 am, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: I don't mind what they're paid as long as they can figure out things like how to sell fresh chicken to consumers, same (or better) price as what chicken rice sellers buy (smaller qty) from their suppliers; not 38% more.

[11:37 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: If you can afford it. Sheng shiong items are way much cheaper

[11:37 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I don't don't their model but I support anyone who reduces my cost of living

[11:37 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: Depend need to compare but if u really compare almost they same

[11:38 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Seriously haha. It depends on where you stay and what items

[11:38 am, 31/05/2023] +~k l: Cos not sure who own Sheng Xiong I feel their cost of don’t diff much

[11:39 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I think they care for the common folks because they wer pig farmers and when the founders die. Will it become like Fairprice seeking profits more that reducing cost

[11:39 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: sheng siong group is a listed company

[11:39 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: share price is 1.63

[11:41 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Fairprice from what I hear from friends about the founding fathers was to reduce cost for the poor. Seems they are funding NTUC initiatives

[11:42 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: Was 0.6 at start lol

[11:44 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: The start was good… but overtime they lose their mandate why NTUC started in the first place

[11:44 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: Similar to NTUC income 🙃

[11:45 am, 31/05/2023] +Ken: Let the market push them out lor… if they don’t know how to do business nothing much we can do

[11:57 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah, the market will decide, just like the citizens will decide, it's a matter of time, like insurance agents, you can only cheat me once, then your reputation is down the drain haha

[11:58 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: sheng siong is not a social enterprise, cannot compare apples to oranges, they totally different .

[11:58 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: or like they say lychee to durians haha

[11:58 am, 31/05/2023] +Wai Xin: i wasnt comparing, i was just sharing their financial report

[11:59 am, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: ultimately we need to get down to basics, what is the enterprise for?

[0:04 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yeah, this is for lottery, but for food and essentials, I hope not!

[0:04 pm, 31/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Yes nick name 猪肉Lim, they are nice to help many/plenty too even not social enterprise

[0:05 pm, 31/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Very hard to claim Prudential

Better

[0:06 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: from what I heard those who run NTUC Income, came from the previous Prudential folks. Not sure if it's true haha

[0:08 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: that what my mother say, I was born in the year of the pig, I am to be eaten and be effective? so fairprice, fair to raise price to help the programs hmm

[0:10 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: it all boils down to basic, who we are, what do we want to achieve, not easy, push and there are weak people, charge higher there are poor people, seek excellence there are disadvantage folks, but if the leadership can lead like the our covid situation, rather than knee jerk reactions, others will follow us.

[0:13 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: haha. today I had a friend who wants to contribute to a ukulele group and the leadership is not open, so that may happen to us, the leadership may feel this is the way to go, what can we do, select leaderships that are wholesome and wise and open to feedback, because not all citizens are developed equally. We need to weed out the foxes haha who cares but is there for the money

[0:29 pm, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Exactly

[0:30 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi L,

Just add-on to your pointers.

Thank you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/29/record-youth-unemployment-stokes-economic-worries-in-china-.html

[0:32 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Wai Xin,

Good point, to add-on...

It's about the business model...

Thank you

[0:34 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Jimmy, 

Possibility that  NTUC be listed on our SGX main board?

A change of business model?

Thank you.

[0:40 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I heard rumors that's what they intend to do. So no more Fairprice hahaha. I really don't know what's the government intentions or even spinning off social enterprise but that's what some commercial company do. Start as social enterprise when successful, change the the directions and start charging. Hahaha this is the game play. Like what Russia is doing false flags ops.

[0:44 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: It's all down to basics. What is the intentions of the founders. I think it not profit but seems the we're driven by profit. If that is so. Change name don't tarnish the good name of the national trade union Congress. Sad if it happens.

[0:44 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: And what the previous founders have left their legacies

[0:48 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Haha sounds corporate. When new CEO comes into my company they have to do something. So the do paradisation i.e all division have their own hr, CFO etc. After 5 years another CEO says too costly then streamline, hq HR only , one Hq CFO haha then the next 5 years another CEO says let's paradise.

[0:48 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I hope our leadership not like that

[0:53 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Maybe not such a bad idea to get rid of the fats? Or to gain more income for the management because the management in sheng shiong earns more than the workers. That's what the workers told me When I congratulate them. So I don't know what's the intentions When NTUC is listed

[0:56 pm, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Go back to the reason why fairprice was started in the first place and build on that.

[0:57 pm, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Can a cooperative for workers get a public listing!?

[0:58 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To ensure firms are profitable,

1. Need to grow their market, expand into new areas.

Eg. Exploit digital economy to tap overseas market, tie up with logistics firm to do e-commerce

Eg. Work with IE Singapore or business partner to explore overseas market.

2. Firms also need to ramp up productivity like use automation, digitalisation to produce higher output.

3. Firms need to train workers new skillsets to operate digital business and automation and hence demand higher salaries.

4. Business work with government to obtain grants for digitalisation and automation as well as worker training.

5. Business partner with government and business partners to explore new markets.

This is the only way to make business profitable and pay higher wages to our workers.

[0:58 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To beat inflation, hovering about 5 to 6%.

[0:58 pm, 31/05/2023] +Rama: For unions to truly serve their workers, all level of officials must be voted by workers

[1:02 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. The current inflation we are facing is unprecedented - a worldwide phenomenon which we can't control.

2. Many countries face far worst inflation figures, eg. UK 10%, US 6 to 7%, some EU countries double digits inflation.

Some countries as high as 40% inflation.

Correspondingly, Singapore apply monetary policy prudently to cap our imported inflation of 5 to 6% couple with wage growth of about a respectable 6.5%.

[1:06 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Jimmy, many good points you have raised...

In business, you either profit or lose; you either deficit or subsidise; 

Or breakeven, then  how long more before profit or lose, deficit or subsidise?

Thank you!

[1:08 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

3. Inflation are triggered mainly by external circumstances:-

a. Decoupled global supply chain - due to geopolitical tussling among superpowers.

b. Friendshoring instead of economic principle of exchange of labour based on the cheapest and most efficient source to produce products and services.

c. Pandemic induced supply chain disruption - lead to countries adopting protectionism and pulling back of production capacity back to own countries leading to higher prices.

d. War - disrupting food producing countries from   growing and exporting their products leading to food shortages for humans, animal feeds - and this cause prices to rise in food crops, domestic animals, minerals and raw materials.

e. Global warming leading to droughts, floods that disrupt crop production - leading to higher food prices.

[1:10 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: These prolonged global uncertainties will not end...

Two, the stubborn supply chains aren't working as smoothly as they used to be...

Three, the Fed will continue slowly bit by bit, increasing the interest rates...

Four, the "never ending Ukraine war"...

It's just the beginning of more changes to come!

Thanks, Danny for bringing it up!

[1:15 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. To hope for such external environment to come to an end and hope that our inflation figures go back to our norm of 2% - is like hoping for money to drop from the sky.

I think we will be very lucky if inflation can come down to 4% as a new normal.

5. Going forward, firms will have to be profitable, focus on productivity by constantly looking at automation, digitalisation and training of workers, look at new markets and new customers to ensure good profit - so as to pay workers increment of 5% to 6% to tackle the high new normal inflation of 4%.

[1:20 pm, 31/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Well said. That's where good leadership comes to harness the collective will of the people, understanding the whole system to make us profitable and I think the government is doing well, like the airport, the development of the manpower, going green. Just need to reduce inflation, if that happens we will be the show stopper like our COVID reactions

[1:21 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

6. At macro level, MAS will have to rely on monetary policy - specifically to adjust our currency strong Vis a vis our basket of currency to keep imported inflation in control.

But MAS must do so, to ensure we do not lose our export competitiveness by making our good and service too expensive due to strong $.

But good enough to make our import raw material, semi finished goods and food prices cheap.

[1:29 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. Finance Ministry will have to ensure we do well in GDP growth, so that our government will have healthy tax revenue to provide grants such as GST voucher, tax relief, cost of living voucher, u-save rebate etc to help Singaporeans cushion against high cost of living - via fiscal policy.

8. Government can also help to rope in social enterprise food stalls in neighborhood coffeshops, hawker centre and food courts to offer budget meals to help retirees, office workes, low and middle income earners.

The  budget meals $3, $3.50 are good initiatives.

[1:44 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. At micro level, my son salary increments exceed inflation and also recently promoted, got higher salary.

So inflation not a big issue.

2. Interest rates have been high - unprecedented - and those with passive income can earn higher interest to cushion against the higher inflation.

3. But still the higher overall inflation on food, energy, transport cost, higher housing prices and prices of other goods and services - are still unprecedented - never seen an across the board price increases in all facet of our lives - can be quite frightening.

[2:02 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The latest news, US inflation rate drop to 4.93% - no longer at 6 to 7%.

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[2:06 pm, 31/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

Nominal total wages rose by 6.5 per cent in 2022, a significantly higher increase than 3.9 per cent in 2021 and the highest in a decade, according to data released by MOM on 29 May (Mon). However, after accounting for inflation, real wage growth slowed significantly to 0.4 per cent in 2022 as compared to 1.6 per cent in 2021. 

💬 What are your views on wage growth over the past year? How can firms, workers and the Government work together to ensure wages keep pace with rising costs amid an uncertain economic outlook?

📌 More Profitable Firms

Nearly three in four establishments in Singapore gave wage increases as business activities picked up last year, with the magnitude of increase being larger than in 2021.

"As the Singapore economy contin…

[2:11 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But fed unable to bring the inflation down to 2% - its norm.

Thus US will have to reflect whether their decoupling strategy and friendshoring - against China - to compete for global supremacy in the name of national security - is it worth it.

Fed cannot keep increasing interest rate to tackle the high inflation - because their business will die and their bank run will kill their financial sectors, triggering global recession.

US will have to go back to sound economic fundamentals,  level head - and re-study their microeconomics and macroeconomics - specifically exchange of labour, trade, balance of payments - to tackle the high inflation.

Decoupling, friendshoring, domestic production instead of trade with countries from more cost efficient production - will not cure the woe of high inflation.

Keeping high interest rate only scratch the symptoms, not the root cause of high global inflation.

[2:13 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

US inflation norm is always 2%.

 

[2:21 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: S

ingapore average inflation per year about 2+%.

Now 5 to 6%.

As long as external environment don't change, US want to decouple from China, global warming cause food shortages, countries fight in war and disrupt food and good production - we will be very lucky if we keep our inflation rate at 4% above the norm of 2+ %.

Then our salary increments need to be at 5% or more to catch up with inflation.

[2:31 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

In other words, to cure inflation - we must look at the root cause, prescribed the right medicine.

If root cause is countries scrambling due to political reasons to decouple and go for high cost production, no matter what US do in its monetary policy by ever increasing interest rate - won't help - because not solving the root cause.

US in fact is killing their banks and business who can't borrow at high interest.

And no matter what Singapore do in monetary policy by adjusting our currency exchange, high interest rate - also won't help in keeping our inflation rate low - because US decouple and friendshore.

Thus our strategy is to put our business, investment, supply chain in the 2 decoupled and friendshore pipelines - to benefit from the business churn out by the 2 supply chain.

Our business do well then can pay higher salaries to our workers, to tackle the higher inflation while we aim to get inflation to 4% and below if possible.

But to help retirees and lower income groups - government will have to use fiscal policy such as vouchers and grants and higher interest rate to boost passive income for retirees.

Only then we are effective in tackling the root cause of the "man made inflation".

[3:06 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Another thing that trouble Singaporeans are food prices.

1. Most of our food are imported.

2. We are at the mercy of foreign exporters in which food can be disrupted by :-

a. Diseases such as swine flu, bird flu 

b. Food crops, Animal feeds - due to crop disruption by poor weather, war, etc.

c. Depleted fish stock due to overharvesting, pollution, global warming.

3. Hence our food prices is always high. 

4. Thus, we will need to ensure to secure our own food security and keep our prices stable.

a. Meat eg. Chicken, beef, fish, pork, mutton etc - produce plant-based meat.

Cell-culture, tissue reengineering meat.

(This will dispense of having to set aside lands for animal farming, animal feeds and at the expense of livestock availability from overseas exporters)

b. Vegetable - we need to produce more hydroponics vege, vertical farming to ensure at least 30% sufficiency.

Same as egg production.

c. Carbo - we can't grow rice or wheat - need alot of lands and water.

Hence the only way for us to be sufficient in carbo is grow potato and sweet potato.

Worst come to worst - we will have a balance diet of -

Meat (cell culture, plant based) + hydroponic Vege + eggs + carbo (potato) - as our staple foods to ensure our food security.

Like we have newater recycled water + desalination water + reservoir water + imported water - as our water security.

Then we can fight food inflation.

Ensure supermarket, restaurants, f&b buy our local produce to make our local food production sustainable.

[3:41 pm, 31/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: As stated before there is evidence that Fairprice is not giving consumers the best price.

Singaporean chicken rice sellers paid $6.50/kg.

Fairprice suppose to buy in bulk, volumes so much more than chicken rice seller, yet they still sell at $9+/kg.

So either the sourcing arm of fairprice is sleeping or mgmt wants to keep profits.

Rest of sellers (for profit organizations) take pricing from fairprice. As long as they sell about same price as NTUC, people will still buy from them. 

Hence, no incentive to lower price. If there is greater competition like allowing us to buy from malaysia, price will go down.

[3:42 pm, 31/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[4:35 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder whether with the help of ChatGPT:-

1. Is it possible for EDB or IE Singapore to come out with flowchart of 2 decoupled friendshoring global supply chain.

a. Countries that form the 2 decoupled supply chains.

b. Products, parts and services they produce.

c. Companies that supply those products, parts and services.

2. Then EDB or IE Singapore can tie up with the respective business association and local companies in an attempt to partner, trade, invest or do business with the right foreign companies.

This will help us to insert our business to the 2 decoupled supply chains and grow our local business as well as pay higher salaries to local workers as business grows and profits grow.

But note ChatGPT is not error proof.

EDB and IE Singapore must do ground research to verify whether the business data and information produce by ChatGPT is indeed accurate and helpful.

[4:51 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

EDB and IE Singapore employing professional AI ChatGPT prompt engineer could have produced high quality grade information on the 2 decoupled supply chains.

[4:53 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The respective business association can help to verify the foreign business churn out by ChatGPT - to verify indeed the foreign business are the right supply chain suppliers - so that local business can tie up with the right one to grow our business and our markets.

[5:05 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: Sold out in Singapore: Post-pandemic concert spending in full force

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/entertainment/sold-out-in-singapore-post-pandemic-concert-spending-in-full-force

[5:13 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Actually Singapore can import durians from Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines if durians from Malaysia mao shan Wang is too expensive.

Then we will have more cheap durians to eat.

No need to pay high price for durians.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-vietnam-durian-imports-demand-1-million-tonnes-year-thailand-3527131

[5:27 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

New website for residents to search for budget meal options at HDB coffee shops near them.                                                                                                                         New budget meal decal stickers will be displayed on signages of stalls with budget meal options. This allows customers to easily identify the budget meals on offer, and also help to drive sales.                                                                                                              https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-website-for-residents-to-search-for-budget-meal-options-at-hdb-coffee-shops-near-them

[5:27 pm, 31/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Budget meals go where.

https://www.gowhere.gov.sg/budgetmeal/search?sort=relevance

 

 

[6:50 pm, 31/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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[6:56 pm, 31/05/2023] +Smiley face: 31 May, 2023

"Yes, it is hurting and Yes, it's not so or otherwise?"

Model?

The 80/20 rule, up to 20% of a population are finding inflation harder and tougher to manage their monthly expenses. While 80% of the population have adjusted and adapted their budgets in view of the rising prices of goods, services and eating up their disposable income - sustainable?

"Economists like to think they are scientists and Engineers like to think they can build systems that work well and the latest Data Scientists think they can holistically solve all earth and out of earth existential matters in seconds and/or days!  In the West, many people are angry, unemployed and voted in favour of someone who promised as many things that are impossible to deliver, that's populism, it is a dangerous game to play and politicians are trying to win it! So the alternative is to better understand how the world really operates and how changes can be made meaningfully through sensible economic analytics. By over regulating or creating more markets or unintentionally created steeper competition may not yield benefits or solutions to the impediments and social flaws of the 8 billions of lives. Let's start thinking more deeply about how we live, when, where, what, why and how the streams of benefit are allocated to whom...?"

- - anonymity 

     - - in progress - -

[7:02 pm, 31/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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REACH 459 -   What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

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 30 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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[9:03 am, 30/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

President Halimah Yacob announced in a statement yesterday that she will not be standing for re-election after her term expires on 13 September this year. 

💬 What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

As our first female President, Madam Halimah championed various social issues including gender equality and protecting older workers. She also leaves a legacy as the President to have steered Singapore through a global pandemic by giving her assent to the government to draw on past reserves for COVID-19 public health expenditure. 

“The unifying role of the presidency, working closely together with the Government to safeguard Singapore’s future, has always been critical to our nation’s success, and will be even more important going forward, as we find our way in a troubled and uncertain world,” she said.

👉🏼 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/president-halimah-yacob-will-not-be-running-for-a-second-term-in-upcoming-election

👉🏼 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/countdown-to-singapore-s-presidential-election-the-who-and-the-what

👉🏼 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/50-public-servants-fulfil-criteria-to-run-for-president-1200-companies-meet-the-bar-for-shareholder-equity-chan-chun-sing

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[9:05 am, 30/05/2023] +Caleb: Sad. She is a good and suitable President.

[9:07 am, 30/05/2023] +Darius Lee: Thanks for adding me to this group. She was serving as president during the COVID-19 pandemic, and had to make the decision to unlock the reserves. This was an important decision in a challenging time.

[9:17 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: The selection process will be even tougher although there are 1200 local companies worth at least Sgd500 M.

[9:18 am, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Excellent

[9:19 am, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: She has a big heart for singaporean and helping people also disability

[9:20 am, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Next new president we should vote or parliament choice.

[9:24 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: No parliament choice !

[9:33 am, 30/05/2023] +TD: Next president won't be a reserved one for a particular ethnic group yah?

[9:34 am, 30/05/2023] +TD: Will there be a return of the battle of the Tans?

[9:38 am, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Look at American ppl vote for trump. What happen president become dirty money

[9:39 am, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Wisely vote is not easy when person speaker public next new president

[9:45 am, 30/05/2023] +L: President is an important diplomatic role. Not a powerful position in reality, so I'm ok for the person to be 'selected' by those who are better informed.

[10:05 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: I hope so!

[10:07 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Then, do away with with people's choice!

[10:09 am, 30/05/2023] +L: No harm in the people having a choice between selected candidates.... although some will complain about that I'm sure. :) Much more important things to focus on I think. We want a solid, reliable, incorruptible, experienced person in that position.

[10:11 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[10:12 am, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: President Halimah is a demonstration to me that we have given our government (government is made up of all parties) a lot of power and they can practically do whatever they want.  Thk God we have a reasonably good government thus far but if we ever vote the wrong government in, things can go badly wrong very quickly.

[10:13 am, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Having said that, President Halimah has discharged her duties admirably.

[10:14 am, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Allowed reserves to be spent on those that need it in their time of need.

[10:15 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Very proper the way it moved

[10:24 am, 30/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[11:17 am, 30/05/2023] +Ah Heng: who be president also like that seriously cos liek in many country is the PM that is driving the direction and the team for the country

[11:18 am, 30/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but of cos we cannot like any tom dick harry to be in the chair of the position else everyday will have more internal  fighting to do with what review baord , cio etc instead of country progress

[11:24 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[11:25 am, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[0:15 pm, 30/05/2023] +Jun: Aww I really liked her. Felt nice to have a motherly presence up there in the echelons of power.

[0:20 pm, 30/05/2023] +Ken: As a person I agree she is definitely a nice person. But without election is really the credibility of having a person not choice of the people. 😂

[0:34 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[0:37 pm, 30/05/2023] +Caleb: +2

[0:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +Poh S Lim: So, career-wise for Madam President Halimah, after speaker-ship in the House, and President of the Republic, what is next for her? Or is will it be retirement? 

She has served well in her role as figurehead of the government, will there be anything else after the pinnacle? Maybe, President emeritus? 😁

[1:01 pm, 30/05/2023] +lesli: Madam Halimah's contributions over the years... 🙏

[1:16 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Roving ambassador!?

[1:22 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. President Halimah, being our 1st lady Malay President - carry herself very well as President of Singapore.

2. She display competent, confident, poise, elegant and compassionate to Singaporeans as well as a professional diplomat in securing our interests when connecting with foreign Head of States.

3. She also work very well with the Government notably in covid pandemic - to dispense reserve budget to tackle once in a lifetime crisis - and perform a unifying role in getting people solidly behind the government to ride the covid crisis.

Notably, the absense of fireworks, confrontation or friction with the Government - that will unnecessary stoke people emotion - in time of crisis.

[1:27 pm, 30/05/2023] +~N: She has made me wonder a lot, about merit, fairness and equality, thank you for being the most thought-provoking president so far.

[1:46 pm, 30/05/2023] +Poh S Lim: Ambassador-at-large? Isn’t that a step down the career ladder? 🤣

[1:47 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: She is a Indian Muslim and not a malay Muslim

[1:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Just like Liew Tuck Yew

[1:50 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh she has an Indian father and a Malay mother.

[1:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Something like that

[1:53 pm, 30/05/2023] +Poh S Lim: Doesn’t really matter, she just represents Singapore, representing a mixed race community. After all most of us had immigrant forebears of all different races. Singapore is an Asian mixed melting pot of immigrant communities

[1:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: https://www.istana.gov.sg/The-President/Former-Presidents

[2:01 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Not for all of us!

[2:17 pm, 30/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

President Halimah Yacob announced in a statement yesterday that she will not be standing for re-election after her term expires on 13 September this year. 

💬 What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

As our first female President, Madam Halimah championed various social issues including gender equality and protecting older workers. She also leaves a legacy as the President to have steered Singapore through a global pandemic by giving her assent to the government to draw on past reserves for COVID-19 public health expenditure. 

“The unifying role of the presidency, working closely together with the Government to safeguard Singapore’s future, has always been critical to our nat…

[2:17 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Going forward, the Election of the next President as President Halimah indicated that she don't intend to re-run for a 2nd term.

2. President play an important role in safeguarding our hard-earned reserves as well as a unifying figurehead / official diplomatic functions in addition to be able to work well with the Government in approving the appointment of important position in the civil service and the Government.

3. Hecne a few voices appear :-

a. Why not Government appoint the President - like previously.

b. Why not Parliament elect a President.

--- rather than let people vote for a President from a small pool of qualified candidates who put themselves forward in a Presidential Election.

c. Make a President to check-and-balance the Government in policies make by civil service and approve in the Parliament.

4. I think the official roles of the President will help us to determine how best to secure our next and future President:-

a. As the President need to safeguard our National Reserves and approve public sector appointment - direct appointment by the Government - will means the President is beholden to the Government - and make the President role very difficult to object - if the President feel the needs to safeguard the reserves from frivilous used eg. :-

i. Use more than 50% of earned reserves (eg. 60% or more) - to finance recurrent budget instead of using it to tackle a life threatening crisis such as the covid pandemic or a very bad rainy day like global recession.

ii. Make use of revenue from land sales to fund recurrent budget - rather than saving it as reserves.

iii. Reject the appointment of a candidate to a public sector position - if the perons is not suitable for the post.

iv. The Government can change the President by giving reasons that the President is hindering the Government works - hence rendering the role of President difficult to perform (particularly safeguarding the National Reserves for frivilous use and ensure a competent personnel helm the important public service role).

b. If a Parliament elect a President - similarly, the President is beholden to the Parliament and not able to work independently based on the President and Presidential Council judgement.

The President will similarly face the dilemma mention in a.

c. There is a mis-perception that the President role - is to perform "check-and-balance" on the Government in policies push forward by the Parliament.

i. This is a wrong perception - because the formulation of policies by civil service, bring forward by the Ministers in the Parliament, debated in Parliament by elected MPs and approve by Parliament - is under the purview of Ministers and elected MPs.

They don't come under the purview of the President, otherwise :-

- There will be 2 central power axis - and can interfere with the smooth functioning of the Government - and override the mandate given by the people to the elected Parliamentarian - causing a deadlock Government and a lameduck PM and the Ministers. 

This become a confrontation governance structure outside the Parliament - in which a single powerful President can stop the whole Government from operating.

- The President will be overwhelm by the day-to-day running of the Government - instead of playing its rightful roles of safeguarding the National Reserves, approve the appointment of public sector position and figurehead as well as diplomatic function.

d. Hence the President elected by the people - will enable the President to perform the role of a President well - as the President is not beholden to the Government, Parliament or perform the mis-perception of a confrontational "check and balance role" on the day-to-day running and formulation of the Government policies - which essentially is an elected Parliament function.

The President is beholden to the people - and the expectation is that the President safeguard the National Reserves and prevent it from frivolous used, approve competent public sector candidates to public sector roles and perform a dignified figurehead and diplomatic role.

[2:41 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Anyway I hope there is a contest in the coming Presidential election for 2 reasons :-

a. If a President contest and win the election - it will means people can exercise their votes and provide a mandate to the next President.

b. It provide an indication, a proxy of the mood of the people - having emerge from the covid pandemic - as an election will provide the clearest indication of the underlying thoughts of the voters -how the Government fare in managing the pandemic and the aftermath - in impacting people's lives and their livelihood - at the backdrop of runaway high inflation, geopolitical tension, disruptive tech that could impact jobs like AI, ChatGPT, Big tech mass layoff etc.

2. Also having a contest in the coming Presidential Election is a simulation exercise of the worst scenarios of more heated political contestation due to desire for diversity - as Presidential election is a proxy or sub-conscious manifestation of political contest.

It will provide an indication :-

a. How the Government fare in the current term.

b. What if a President not supported by the Establishment is elected - how it work with the Government and how people react - a learning lesson for the people and the Government --- in case future scenarios are far worst.

[2:42 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Likewise

[2:43 pm, 30/05/2023] +L: I agree with 1a, but the others are all about getting feedback, which I don't think is a good purpose for an election. Look at what happened in the UK - they voted for Brexit as a way to give feedback about government Austerity.

[2:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Great Honor and professionalism that she decided to step down and allow others to look into the books. Show respect for the position and the need for the younger generation to handle issues going forward she did a fantastic Job managing expectations and also the responsibility of the job. Like what Jerry Seinfeld shared. End the show when you're at the peak.

[3:26 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: It matters a great deal because presidential position suppose to Malay according to constitution during her time.

It’s not Muslim president but Malay president. Muslim and Malay are two different things, one is religion, one is race.

There are ang moh Muslims.

[3:27 pm, 30/05/2023] +Terrie Wong: & many Chinese Muslims too.

[3:28 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: yes. If Malay community accept a Chinese Muslim, does it make the Chinese a Malay?

[3:29 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Any way what's done is done. It just shows that we need to be careful who we vote.

[3:30 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Agree so there's a difference between a malay Muslim and a Indian Muslim president

[3:32 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: What about a Malay Christian 🫣 for that matter?

[3:33 pm, 30/05/2023] +Terrie Wong: Was there? I think a competent President is more important than his/her race or even religion.

[3:37 pm, 30/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree. Totally if not people will say 'kelong'

[3:37 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: By law, after 5 presidential terms, if we don't have a minority racial president, the next president must be from that minority race (not religion).

[3:38 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Very few and low profile

[3:38 pm, 30/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: we may need to relook at this again in 30 yrs time ... i may not be alive to see it.

[3:39 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Neither will I

[3:39 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Not every one agrees

[3:45 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Mixed race in new policy - allow option to reflect 2 races.

Hence in constitution, mixed race President does not infringe the reservation of Malay race  in the last President term

[3:46 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else the presidential commission that certify Presidential candidates will not have passed the candidate for election.

[3:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Eurasian?

[3:57 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My neighbour - American father and Chinese mother - called himself Eurasian, also 2 races.

[3:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: What do you wish to see in a President?

"The lineage, from your birth, your family, your community and your country; there are bits of the history in all of us!"

- - anonymity

[4:01 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Would be great

[4:01 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[4:04 pm, 30/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

President Halimah Yacob announced in a statement yesterday that she will not be standing for re-election after her term expires on 13 September this year. 

💬 What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

As our first female President, Madam Halimah championed various social issues including gender equality and protecting older workers. She also leaves a legacy as the President to have steered Singapore through a global pandemic by giving her assent to the government to draw on past reserves for COVID-19 public health expenditure. 

“The unifying role of the presidency, working closely together with the Government to safeguard Singapore’s future, has always been critical to our nat…

[4:05 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Why not a Sikh president!?

[4:08 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Then there will be many on the pipeline - Arab, European, American, Philippines, Thai, Indonesia, mynmar, etc ...

[4:08 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Jew!?

[4:12 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This coming Presidential election - has no racial connotations.

Any race who qualifies can compete.

[4:13 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Before 090823 for sure

[4:27 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew?

Why great?

Thanks!

[4:40 pm, 30/05/2023] +Poh S Lim: In the Singapore Constitution, is there any racial or religious requirement for the President? Otherwise, it is only by custom and tradition but not a legal requirement, right?

[4:44 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Considering it been a long while since Benjamin Sheares time.

[4:44 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Not directly but somehow accepted and expected

[4:47 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Wonder who is next new president upcoming male or female

[4:47 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: I am hoping for another female

[4:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: There is a you tube short video clip of Ho Ching being a contender!?

[4:49 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: If I am saying from member PAP seat will be new president.

How about opp seat won’t be fair.

[4:49 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: No opposition

[4:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Power is power has right reserve president without vote

[4:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: https://news.nestia.com/detail_share/10535506?media_type=1

[4:51 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-31/dbs-chairman-seah-denies-speculation-of-singapore-presidency-run

[4:52 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: She is a chairman of Temasek / GIV

[4:55 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Meanwhile, private sector candidates must have served for at least three years as chief executive of a company that has at least S$500 million (US$370 million) in shareholders' equity and has made profit after tax throughout those three years. 

On Nomination Day, prospective candidates must present their nomination papers and certificates to the returning officer in person at the nomination centre between 11am and 12pm. 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cna-explains-what-you-need-know-about-singapores-upcoming-presidential-election-3523291

[4:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Ex you mean!?

[4:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +Boon: The duties of the President, and how a candidate would carry them out, should drive the deserving candidates profile Eg, could a candidate act as an effective guardian of “..past reserves” of stat boards and govt companies? What can be important too is whether a candidate could have the courage and proactiveness that will be needed in our nation’s future eg, to inquire about replenishing past reserves, to support our govt’s position in the global geographic tensions. It should not be the criteria to be President per se that should drive the choice of candidates.

https://www.istana.gov.sg/The-President/Presidents-Duties/Constitutional

[4:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: She still EX? I though she still run on chairwoman… I have not heard so far how she is doing.

[4:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

[4:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Can always step down prior to nomination day!?

[5:15 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Understand she's already out of temasek holding and helming temasek trust but not gic.

[5:16 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I see

[5:27 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Got it!

Thanks, Andrew!

[5:34 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: ...and love your citizens and country like your own and home! The hope is that the next president will win 80% of the popular votes. It will be a new beginning for Singapore in the making; a new Singapore!

[5:35 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Why not...

[5:35 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Why not...

[5:36 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Why not..

[5:46 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[5:55 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oppositions are thinking of how best to raid our National Reserve.

1. Use 60% reserves for nirc to finance the budget lah.

2. Use land sales revenues to finance the budget lah.

I don't trust the oppositions to safeguard our hard earned reserves - while they expressly debate how best to use more of our reserves.

Not a single one.

[5:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Let them remain as back benchers!

[5:58 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And none can think of ways how to increase our GDP and people's income.

Only has many ingenious ways of how to raid our reserves.

[6:00 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Utter incompetence!

[6:02 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Increase GST and welcome foreigner investment Singapore gain growth value

[6:03 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

You mean WP and psp?

[6:05 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

At least the government keep people employed and the fiscal budget healthy.

And yet using GST voucher to cushion middle and lower income.

What has the opposition done except raiding our reserves?

[6:06 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: GST is a productivity

[6:06 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Exactly!

[6:07 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think opposition alway key saying cost of living is high and standard level unaffordable

[6:07 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And their solution - raid the reserves.

[6:08 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: PAP has right to rising GST as we receive voucher on budget day

[6:09 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I learned USA ceiling debt is limit they can’t borrow anymore.

USA is deep debt US$31 trillion unable to pay back the nation debt

[6:09 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Cost of living is a worldwide events.

UK 10%.

US 6 to 7%.

Singapore about 5 to 6%.

Then what is opposition solutions - raid the reserves.

[6:09 pm, 30/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

President Halimah Yacob announced in a statement yesterday that she will not be standing for re-election after her term expires on 13 September this year. 

💬 What are your thoughts on President Halimah’s announcement and the upcoming Presidential election this year?

As our first female President, Madam Halimah championed various social issues including gender equality and protecting older workers. She also leaves a legacy as the President to have steered Singapore through a global pandemic by giving her assent to the government to draw on past reserves for COVID-19 public health expenditure. 

“The unifying role of the presidency, working closely together with the Government to safeguard Singapore’s future, has always been critical to our nat…

[6:10 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Usd46 to 51 trillion more likely

[6:10 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Omg

[6:10 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:11 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: USA keep on printing dollars gain more debts

[6:14 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If oppositions run our government, soon all our reserves will be gone, and we start incurring debts like US.

Who inherit the debts?

All our children, grandchildren and future descendants.

[6:14 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: It’s true they are not wisely money to spent

[6:15 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So how to entrust our wealth and reserves to someone who bent on raiding our reserves?

WP say so.

PSP say so.

[6:16 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I heard USA govt will run out of money and deep debt. They wont payslips part of government service as military, police, army and any

[6:17 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

US debt is a mammoth implosion that will pull down the global economy - once that D-day comes

[6:21 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hug together die (抱在一起死)...

[6:22 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

US is 1/3 of global GDP.

[6:23 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: GDP to repay debt but zero reserves

[6:24 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

US reserves is $129 billion - for currency exchange.

[6:24 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Seems they can't borrow anymore to service the current debt!

[6:24 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: So little

[6:25 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Almost like no reserve.

[6:25 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Before end of next month!

[6:25 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Exactly!

[6:25 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Yes confirmed

[6:25 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Alternative currency!?

[6:26 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Keep issuing US treasury bonds to borrow and borrow - thus $31 trillion debt.

If we vote opposition as government or president - we can join US.

[6:27 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Our fitch credit rating is now AAA grade.

I hope we don't drop below B.

[6:30 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Will never happen

[6:30 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Exactly

[6:33 pm, 30/05/2023] +Yvonne: “Noted on this topic”

Wishing her well and thanking her for her  service to the country 🌸

[6:34 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: 330 millions people over 8 billions

[6:36 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If US economy collapse, we will have to rely on China, EU and the rest of the world.

But global recession is inevitable.

[6:39 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Thus our president and PM bring us to central Asia and Africa to break into new markets.

This is how our government help to grow our GDP and increase our reserves.

Not thinking how best to raid our reserves.

[6:41 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Interrelated and highly connected world!

Just like your Pinky and toes...

[6:41 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Just don't let the Africans break you...?

[6:42 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Don’t dare Africa because unhygienic

[6:44 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Last time I use to write a project paper on Angola eco city.

Many parts of the country are China invested.

But Angola like Singapore to get involved because Singapore reputation in building eco city very well known.

[6:44 pm, 30/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I may said Singapore will try to make investment Africa’s development and growth change better future. 

Africa never trade with Singapore because of unhygienic

[6:44 pm, 30/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:44 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Big boys territories including Russians...

[6:46 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also Africa Union continent pull a delegation of all Africa countries to visit to see how we build eco city.

Many opportunities are there.

Some of our local companies have already gone in.

Of course got risk, but have to manage carefully.

[6:46 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Too early to tell..

[6:47 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:47 pm, 30/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Central Asia very good business opportunities.

Eg. Kazakhstan, Botswana etc and some others.

We won some projects there.

Quite well developed.

[6:47 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Build up

[6:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hello SL!

You got it again!

Thanks!

[6:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: New date has been revised from 1 June to 5 June. Democrat and Republican strike a deal

[6:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Improving

[6:48 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: 😳🤦‍♂️😞

[6:49 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Hello everyone.. I m late.. 😅

[6:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Just increase the limit and print more will do

[6:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: If time permits, next time, Anonymity presents Central Asia, Turkey and into the Africa Continent... historical perspective, both covering political and economics too.

A big and long essay...

Thanks

[6:50 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Yes Sir!

[6:51 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Turkey will be stable for next 5 yrs🤷‍♂️

[6:51 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: They just ended their election.

[6:52 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: How does the US see?

[6:52 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: The beginning of more .

[6:52 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: New group formed for Central Asia.. Maybe become more prosperous

[6:53 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Erdoğan is a strong man.

[6:54 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Maybe... Chinese territory.

And how about  Afghanistan, Iran...

[6:54 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Turkey is the centrepoint...

[6:54 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: It is important to keep the reserve and spend wisely

[6:55 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Afghanistan need the 7 bill to save the life of it populations

[6:55 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Pls ask the Taliban's

[6:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Taliban has amassed the US leftover weapons!

[6:56 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Just Watch Iran and the Taliban...

[6:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: A sad that hear president halimah does not contest for the next round. Wishing her well and thanks for her contribution

[6:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Believe got reelected!?

[6:57 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: 3 diff story line for these 2 countries

[6:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Got, 52 or 53%

[6:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +Rama: Great

[6:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Study the history of the Taliban, today and tomorrow...

[6:58 pm, 30/05/2023] +SL: Geopolitical issue

[6:59 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: Yes,... existential Threats...

[6:59 pm, 30/05/2023] +Smiley face: 30 May, 2023

What do you wish to see in a President?

"The lineage, from your birth, your family, your community and your country; there are bits of the history in all of us!"

- - anonymity 

The C's of a Head of State? (aka HOST)

Character and integrity.

Course, A strong vision for Singapore's future; purpose and direction.

Communication skills from the bottoms up. All great leaders are excellent communicators!

Competent, knowledgeable, experience and perspective in history.

Courage to make unpopular decisions even in difficult times.

Crisis management skills; just in case, the next crisis!

Coexist, an ability to work with Parliamentarians.

Characteristics?

She or he? Patriotic, loyal, being able to get along with people well, there are many other characteristics a president should have. In these challenging times, the president needs to be versatile and able to adapt to new situations easily.  Having a strong family background and education. If she or he possesses these qualities, they will have a sense of compassion, empathy, loyalty and understanding. These things can be found in people who have a strong sense of family.

And love your citizens and country like your own and home! The hope is that the next president will win 80% of the popular votes. It will be a new beginning for Singapore in the making; a new Singapore!

     - - in progress - -

[7:00 pm, 30/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 458 -  What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems?

(SK)

 24 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

REACH

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[10:00 am, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Road respectively. This came after Reform Party chief Kenneth Jeyaretnam published social media posts over the market rental price for the two colonial bungalows.

The Singapore Land Authority (SLA) had then responded in a statement that both properties had been vacant for several years, and the rentals were done in full compliance with the relevant SLA procedures.

Following PM Lee's statement, Min Shanmugam said he had suggested an independent review to look into whether there was any wrongdoing. He added, “We need this sort of approach, regardless of who is involved, to make sure the system operates with integrity. We cannot let doubts about the integrity of ministers fester and be left unaddressed”.

Min Balakrishnan also told reporters that he was very glad that PM Lee agreed to have this review, and to publish all relevant facts and findings before we have a full debate in Parliament. 

The findings of the review will be made public in time for the Parliamentary sitting in July. 

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/review-to-be-carried-out-on-ridout-road-properties-pm-lee

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/sla-shanmugam-vivian-rented-ridout-road-properties-in-full-compliance-with-procedures

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[10:08 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Government can hold more than property because their salary higher.

[10:10 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://newnaratif.com/explainer-inequality-in-singapore/

[10:18 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Short of detail information, the 2 bungalows are State property - that are rented out for short stay and recreation - I believe.

2. The bungalows are not sold to and own by the Ministers.

3. If proper procedures are followed and rented out - be it Ministers, CEO, or common man in the street.

I don't see how this is a breach of integrity.

4. Ministers are also humans just like any of us - who earn their worth and should not be penalised - for them and family members from enjoying lives after work - through legal and proper means.

[10:25 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

5. Also the 2 bungalows are vacant for so many years.

What is wrong for someone be it the Ministers or any man in the street rent the holiday bungalows for a short stay to recuperate or to relax?

6. Previously, some government agencies, private enterprises also bought some holiday Bungalows for staff to rent during their annual leave to relax and recuperate.

The stay is fun and such colonial bungalows even have paranormal encounters at night - making the stay more adventurous, fun and yet frightening.

[10:25 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

6. Bought (not sure) - could be rented.

[10:26 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

7. Staff rent - should be book free of charge.

[10:29 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: this issue is just a piece of shit story by oppo la

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Excellent to see the Gov take the feedback seriously and ensure highest integrity in Gov. Transparency and accountability are essential for social stability. If no wrong doing and these properties are available for everyone, then maybe the only error was not making that information more available. If it's a government perk, then that's fine too if that's public knowledge.

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I not quite sure about it reason stay for rent at least 1 to 2 years. Most rich Normally holiday stay for few week to enjoy and back home live in luxury.

For this house bungalows is too big and oldest history is a  heritage.

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really a freaking waste of our parliament time to bark over such news

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: also is RENT .... is it not good to have someone renting these house and the rent is income to the state?

[10:30 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Whether both of them have take bid for grant money

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: opposition angry because they cannot is it because they green eye?

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: as long as u got money u wannt rent these bnw house 10 of them no one will complait also the most say you show off

[10:31 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Some people like to whip up public to create disruption

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and sadly the public are sheep to get whip and sing the same cord

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: got more urgent matters dun bring up

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: keep nip picking all these small small issue

[10:32 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: they so concern about the public small things then please bring up why plates are still in mess in hwaker center

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why causeway jam till singaporeans cannot spend in jb

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why cai png no more 2.5 dollars

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: waiting for SM Teo’s review report for me to understand the matter. I am still unclear on what is the issue that was brought up.

[10:33 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why public toilet so dirty still despite paying 10 cents or 20cents

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I wonder both minister had sold home and stay rent. Because they want more money 💰 earn interest rate

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sl-> ppl not happy why minister can rent these BnW houses which cost over at least 60k per mth

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If I am not wrong, these colonial bungalows are rent out by years.

SLA won't waste time doing hotel management to rent out by days or weeks.

Individuals or organisation usually rent it and is a recreation stay.

Organization will let staff book for a few days stay when they take annual leave.

I also once have book a stay in one such Bungalow - fun but frightening.

[10:34 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: dam free these oppo

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously if we say pap doing nothing much

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +CJ: Did they self declare before submitting the bid?

[10:35 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i saw our opp dam freaking free to dig out such news with their 10 ot 16k pay by the state

[10:36 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Why “oppo” want to bring this up? Is there any “perception” they want to “implant”?

[10:37 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: now wasting state resource to make a study and investigation ...

[10:37 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Minister salary can enjoyed as they wished for money spent.

Public no freedom to enjoy and inequality

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: then why the public dun kp their bosses got more money then them and can stay in sentosa or district 10 area and owning 2 cars

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: What is the standard level integrity

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ppl money ppl want to spend is their issue

[10:38 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: just blame fate one is not born into the correct family lor

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: what level of integrity we talking about here ? that minister must declare all their assets out to the public ?

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I public and my family members also got a chance to make a short stay in these colonial bungalow.

I not minister.

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i believe certain things they must declare while certain areas of their live shoudl be keep pte too

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: If there is no finding, can the time cost spent back charged to the complaint person?

[10:39 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but one thing i cannot agree till date is being a public serant one should not hold directorship of companies

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-paid-government-leaders-in-the-world#

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: how i dam bloody wish like the court proceeding ya ....

[10:40 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Yes, agreed

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: rather then brain storming how to fend off and bring about the region to be srtonger and fend off china / us game play

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Omg, this will be an issue for society's trust

[10:42 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: we are now investigating this minster that minister issue ... i wonder who is the one finding fault and wasting state funds

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: It's a lot of money, sure, but if everyone has the opportunity to apply for the job, and selection is transparent (ie no parachuting) then it's a tough job that is well rewarded.

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously if our conversation is made know to the public those with eye will be able to understand well

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: I agree - it requires a proper response.

[10:43 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: You mean they can allow use claim benefit to buy rental

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Still got 2.5? Any suggestion where to find this? Thanks

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: so did or did they not

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: claim benefit  - used

[10:44 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if we or you dun know dun even say

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +SL: Ppl not happy because they are not biding in it? They cAn bid next time.

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore Ministers are the lowest paid CEOs in Singapore and the world.

PM pay about $2 million per annum.

Ministers pay about $1 million per annum.

MP allowance per month less than $15,000.

Our highest pay CEOs easily $15 million a year.

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: High pay unfair to public singaporean

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: u think minister is so cheapo to that level

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: anyone can bid as long as one know when and where to bid

[10:45 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 👆👆👆

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and bidding does not mean it goes to the lowest bidder of cos it goes to the highest bidder aka who have the dough who will get it

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MP allowance - even a senior engineer pay exceed MP pay.

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: i no style but if ah beng one day can be mp i will ask oppo u buay song u go bid lah

[10:46 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why cry father and nother

[10:47 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: bidding ley .. not price fixing ...

[10:47 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Review independent

[10:49 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder who interested to be Ministers with so low pay?

Be CEO better, earn 10 times more than ministers - also don't get scrutinize by public during private time.

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Someone jealous against them unfair

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wonder who want to be MP - everytime kenna scrutinised by public.

Be a senior engineer better.

Same pay or higher pay than MP.

[10:50 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is not jealous is to stirr shit

[10:51 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos they know public dam happy to hear such shit news and hope by barking more of such news the will win vote

[10:51 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but word to the oppo with your type of calibrate .. i rather let unmo run than the current oppo ....

[10:53 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

All these jobs pay about the same as MP jobs.

No public scrutiny some more.

Who want to be MP?

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: dun forget most are without VB... add in the vb and the others components of the package it might be more attractive than the role of portfolio mp

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but agin i believe mp have their perks too

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: already being a RC member who is active for x years also have perks else why ppl join rc

[10:54 am, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Senior engineer jobs - same or higher than MP pay.

Why want to be MP?

[10:55 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: u thnk is really for love of society -> is for houseing / school / carparks / small perks

[10:56 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is human .. no human do things wihtout objetive

[10:56 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: maybe it for $ for self / for fame / for glory / for family or even for religion purpose

[10:58 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: It was Reform Party who dig this out and they are not being paid by the state

[10:58 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Money is everything as long as they have archived. 

For government MP policy I don’t know much about it

Private sector is highest priority

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: lagi shit sitrer ....

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: now put the whole parliament to waste state resource still

[11:00 am, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Kenneth Jeyaretnam should have substantiate his accusations with facts what he thinks "market rent" was for the property and SLA should also have published the amount rented.  It is an asset that belongs to all of Singaporeans and we all have a right to know; nothing to do with national security.  It would have save everyone a lot of time.

I'd rather my ministers spend their time on how to improve our economy, lower cost and create jobs for our citizens.

[11:02 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: I think the underlying issue is whether the ministers got the bid through knowing insider news. After all there is a potential conflict of interest over here. Better make it public and clear any doubts

[11:08 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: This could have been avoided if all related details were made public much earlier than have it come this far!

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Part time MP has its perks!

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +YT: I don't understand why they don't own their own properties but have to rent.  Are they renting these cheaply and then in turn renting out their own properties so as to earn the difference?  That's the question I have on my mind and I hope it gets answered.

[11:09 am, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Public service is a sacrifice and not a luxury!

[11:10 am, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: For most of the MPs being a MP is just their part time job

[11:11 am, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 50% of luxury those high pay than public

[11:13 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew,

True, perhaps, after the review process concluded, the committee will recommend a Checklist or guideline for the benefits of all future dealings with it at the higher level or from the baseline. Referring to the entire civil service community.

Thank you, Andrew!

[11:19 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: There are four perspectives of compensation: Society, Stockholder, Manager, and Employee. Each perspective creates a different idea of what compensation means to them and the organization...

[11:19 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: The Contestations of Ideology and Reality?

- - anonymity

[11:21 am, 24/05/2023] +TD: Agree.

[11:21 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: "There is no rite and there is no wrong; the rite proves it's rite and the wrong proves it's wrong...so what is rite and what is wrong?"

- - anonymity

[11:26 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Perks are exceptional efforts; rewards and bonuses are compensation to one's best effort.

- - anonymity

[11:48 am, 24/05/2023] +~L: Anyone can become an MP - we are a republic. Some countries have a monarchy with birth rite to wealth and power....

[11:54 am, 24/05/2023] +65 8637 0502: https://www.tiktok.com/@mothershipsg/video/7236352162563919105?lang=en

Public servants must be held to highest standards 🙏

[11:57 am, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Lesli,

Thanks for sharing the TikTok.

What's the highest standard, anyone have any ideas?

How about a person's privacy versus public scrutiny?

Thank you.

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Nothing come Highway standard level.

As long as republic can be group leader member PM

People wisely vote them on coming GE

[0:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Nothing come Highest standard level.

As long as republic can be group leader member PM

People wisely vote them on coming GE

[0:13 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

These bungalows are rented for holiday chalets.

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: not really some are for real residential stay

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the rent can easily go from a few k to tens of Ksssssss

[0:14 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Many organisations rent these bungalows for their staff.

Individuals who wish to rent these bungalows as weekly holiday resort also can - not necessary Ministers.

[0:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: and usually it exclude renovation work aka u see what u get

[0:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: spolit repair yourself when return i think is return as good

[0:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: these bnw house are ring fence as national heritage .. cannot any how tear down or made changes to structure

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I doubt people want to buy or rent such Bungalows for residential stay - because they are very far away from supermarkets and amenities.

Need car to drive in and out even to the nearest bus stop.

Only as holiday chalets for recreation and relaxation.

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: They rented since 2018 and 2019, definitely not a short term holiday stay

[0:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: have lah

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: bukit merah behind cmpb

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also, at night prepare for paranormal encounters.

Ghostly adventures.

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: will be surprise how many of these are being taken up

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: usually by expats

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sambawang area near the ship yard almost 60% take up by expats

[0:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why they are left vacant for many years - nobody wants to rent.

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is not nobody want to rent is expats are moving out too

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: some after a while prefer to live back to condo

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: alot of maintainence work to be doen for such building and the property around

[0:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: imagine u got snakes, insects whatever bugs crawling into the house

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if not well taken care of

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ahhh for seletar area also have but is strictly for commercial purpose only

[0:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: only a handful are for reseidential

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: It won't be the last time something like this issue of transparency will crop up! When ownself check ownself,  cover up ownself,  arrogance sets in! Also, opposition mp pritam Singh and Leong Mun Wai should sit in with SM TCH on the matter.

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Actually, this saga is a trivial event.

Not a perk or benefits to the Ministers.

This bungalows not many people want to rent - that's why left vacant for so long.

Those people who complain make a mountain out of a mole.

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Matter of perception

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: can go to sla site and see ... the steps and process is very open

[0:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Should be open to public scrutiny

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: thus mentioned is it not good that we have 2 person willing to pay 60k for each (estimated ahhh), that is revenue to the state

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Possibly

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: else ask reform party go mgt lah since they so red eye

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Hopelessly unreformed!

[0:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: go mgt all these empty bnw houses .... do singapore a favour use action dun just use mouth and stir shit

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: worst den his father

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: LHL or KJ!?

[0:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: at least that old man fight with a more stylo way and not stir shit

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: lhl reform party meh

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: hahahahaha

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: LSY says President should be updated and if so request for public scrutiny of the proceedings

[0:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Andrew, good suggestions...

Perhaps, going forward, for the sake and sanity of governance of such issues...a committee comprising up to 30% are members of the public who are non-partisan nor holding any public or private offices. Simply, a member of the public with nil conflict of interest to all..

Workable?

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: liek that need to check bank account periodically

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Worth considering

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I use to stay in one in the year 2000.

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: need them to declare where and where they going for tour

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: need them to declare how many cars and properties they have and intend to buy

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: siao lah

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: people also got life wan

[0:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Open to parliament only at each new term of government.

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

I stay there twice in one of the 2000 and beyond 2000.

No body make noise.

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like that not only make sure all in parliament get affect better still those affiliated to pollical  party better be affected so that to ensure highest level of integrity

[0:26 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: You are not public appointed figure so why scrutiny

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: U not portfolio minister

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: hahahahahahah

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if u yes ppl will red eye and say why u stay there for holiday while SLA can rent it out for longer term waste of state resources

[0:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Like yourself, is eligible...unless you are a former civil servant, that is one exclusion clause!

Btw, these members of the public do not need a PhD nor masters degree to be admissible into this public service! 

Thanks, Andrew!

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yah, that why - why want to be Ministers or MP.

All these trivial things make so big.

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: I think the main concern is not the minsters staying at these bungalows,  it’s perfectly alright for them to stay at these places, it’s the bidding process that people are more wary cause the public is unsure if the ministers gotten any insider info and benefited themselves through the process

[0:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: yeah next time even the number of times go loo will be disclosed

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: whats the gain for minister to get this rental areas

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: unless those kp people have 60 to burnt

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but dun know the process

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: https://www.insider.com/singapore-black-and-white-colonial-bungalow-inside-photos-2022-5

[0:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: they can outbid mr k and mR V

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: MESSAGE SENDING OUT IS if you really like the place dun buy hdb for 1 million bid this place for 1 million sure to get

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: out bid the 60k

[0:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree.

[0:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Not sure if got insiders saying that's it's not fair. You never know

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Like a Trump fixer. Trump is innocent because if the fixer says I will handle it. Then it's the fixer fault. He paid off Daniel and hide the photos. Seriously do we want such politician, more like gangster.

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I will deal with it boss

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Remember when there's smoke there a fire

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Why nobody know that MP live in rental property since now.

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Unless someone fogging

[0:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Something hide the true

[0:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: SLA is government are authority for land private and HDB 

HDB lease expired SLA ordered state of return land. 

But can MP enjoy benefit claim for reason bid?

[0:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree

[0:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: When he leaves parliamentary hearing too often they may wonder hahahaha

[0:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The are Public figure

[0:42 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

Actually these bungalows vacant for so many years.

Nobody wants to rent.

Now the Ministers rent it above the market rental price - not below.

So on the look at the surface level - I am not sure what benefits or special treatment these Ministers get - except they pay more.

Short of details - as it stands now, I don't see how the Ministers benefits from it.

But anyway, let the commission lay out the facts, then we will know if indeed privileges are given.

As of now, I think this issue is overhype.

[0:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Yes - in fact now that the report is not out, with a lack of details not sure what’s the purpose of talking about it

[0:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Now millions know these two hot Numbers that are 26 & 31...

So the next issue is the privacy of the occupants and thereafter, the security protocols?

Thanks, Danny!

[0:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Yesterday I took a bus and the bus captain said he can drive however he wants. I told him the bus does not belong to him. The same applies to the MP. They are the custodian of Singapore wealth and assets. They cannot anyhow use their likes or benefit. If they are proper their status will be good for election if not then the systems has to change

[0:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I think the driver literally took captain of bus to be his own. I told him if this how he drive his private bus. I would not take it

[0:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: It's a sbs bus driver

[0:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: So if MP don't drive properly. We need to replace the driver

[0:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Is there a committee for privileges and entitlements already exist?

If not, it's timely to form an independent committee?

[0:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Move house for safety and sanity?

(搬家 ?)

[0:49 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: All the SLA needs to do is revelation the bids etc and the matter is closed: In its statement, SLA gave details of how the properties came to be rented by the ministers. It did not say how many bids were received, or how much the properties were rented out for. More details on the matter will be provided when Parliament next sits in July, it added.

[0:50 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Just like how public servants will declare if they are holding any company shares, it will be good to declare any conflict of interests in the bidding process. As public figures and representatives of the company, it will be better to avoid it totally to avoid any doubts and mistrusts. In Chinese we call it 避嫌

[0:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Agree. I remember one cadre ask LKY to help him get flat. LKY says if I do what will voters think of him. This was shared by the cadre how upright LKY is.

[0:54 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Remember the $1,500 per bike saga

[0:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Brompton foldable bike

[0:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: i think there was some issues with the way the tender was handled.

[1:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Exactly. Simple and Transparent .

[1:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: If so, then come clean. Admit a mistake. Take the consequences. 

If not, then show the process is fair and how decisions were made.

[1:21 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This colonial bungalow very well renovated and decorated.

The one I stay more ulu.

2nd floor make of wood.

At night can hear someone walking outside and the wood creaking.

Furniture on the 1st floor moving and making noise.

We stay at the 2nd floor, trembling when we heard these noises.

[1:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

But the next morning when we check with the cleaner anyone come in at night, the cleaner say no one will come in at night.

When we share our paranormal experience with the cleaner, the cleaner laugh and say many people who come for short stay share similar experiences.

So if people are interested to have some paranormal experience, can bid and rent it - to experience the frightening nights.

[1:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Still, I expect government to select pro on their side more than neutral

[1:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Agree

[1:50 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is said those chalets at changi (selected ones have such services also when sun goes home

[1:52 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

You mean, cleaners come in at night into the bungalow?

[1:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no the unseens cleaners

[1:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

At night, many unseen things.

When the noise appears, I come out from my room to check, but no one around and the noise stop.

The moment I lock my room, the noise appears again.

[1:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: The door connects to the noise in some mystical ways hahaha

[1:57 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My maid in another room, switch on the light whole night.

Next morning, she complained to us - sir whole night got hantu.

Got noise and people walking outside the corridor - saya tahku.

[1:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 😄😳🤷‍♂️

[1:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Have faith with our systems of governance!

First thing First, there is a need to invite "NEUTRALISED" citizens' into such a committee, if there is one, if not let's establish one sooner than later to once and for all sake, clear the air!

Thanks, Andrew for bringing it up.

[2:00 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Takut

[2:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Ro…

[2:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: haiya the internet is full of barking comments already which i think those people do not know how these Bnw Houses bidding are and whats the avg cost to even RENT one ...

[2:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really frogs in teh well

[2:34 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MAS to combat tech-enabled scams like using deepfake calls in unauthorised bank transactions.            

MAS taking pro-active actions - including biometric authentication.                                         

Good that the REACH discussion - bring MAS active involvement with banks.        

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/mas-to-combat-tech-enabled-scams-like-deep-fake-calls-and-unauthorised-bank-transactions

[2:35 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Can't be done remotely though :) If you lose your phone and have Face Recognition as your unlock key, then just use Find My Phone to disable it.

[2:36 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/facial-recognition

Facial recognition can also be hacked.

[2:37 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Biometric authentication not foolproof - as they are converted into digital data that can be hacked.

Either by man in the middle attack or illegally access.

That's why only hybrid authentication is foolproof.

[2:38 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/products/blackberry-cybersecurity

This one blackberry network system can cybersecurity hackers

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: AI will come with latest technology system network maybe I think it’s can target the scam

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: Anything can be hacked. So if you want to be online you are at risk. Just have to determine the level of risk. More chance being killed crossing the road than having your phone remotely hacked by Face Recognition.

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MAS reply that it will consider call back verification and discuss with the financial industry.

[2:39 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Secure and efficiency are raise.

Of course call back verification is secure but not as efficient.

But compare to $1.3 billion lost and banks got to compensate - double loss of $2.6 billion, the inefficient callback could be worth it.

[2:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: No system is foolproof. Except maybe blockchain.... even that has had some cases of 51% attack.

[2:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Timothy Low: Change topic to scam liao?

[2:49 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Even fingerprint biometric can be hacked.

[2:51 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So even biometric authentication are not foolproof.

[2:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the law for scam mers is not tough enuff same for loan sharking

[2:52 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: though the head cannot be chop the law can start chopping the legs and hands so that it will not spawn itself

[2:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This is to preempt MAS who are working with banks to try out biometric authentication as a foolproof login authentication.

My message to MAS is that biometric authentication not good enough.

[3:01 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Blockchain can be hacked.

[3:04 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://www.epiqglobal.com/en-us/resource-center/articles/blockchain-can-be-hacked

[3:05 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Full digital is not foolproof.

All security gurus will tell everyone this.

And they are absolutely correct.

[3:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +~L: I'm not getting into this on this thread. Exchanges were hacked, blockchain was not hacked. https://www.techopedia.com/can-the-blockchain-be-hacked/2/33623#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%2C%20from%20a,blockchain%20itself%20cannot%20be%20hacked.

[3:15 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hackers gain control of more than 51% of the mining process can create a 2nd version of the Blockchain.

[3:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or vulnerability in Blockchain creation.

[3:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: A good representative information sheet.

Perhaps, to further simplify so that it will take up to 2 minutes to completely comprehend these facts?

Likewise, for the public bulletin, please shorten the message for up to 1 minute of reading time?

Possible?

Thank you.

[3:43 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: How about YouTube or TikTok informedia clips?

Please do it in under 1 minute?

Most brains will receive the best, the first 2 minutes of targeted information!

Thank you.

[3:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Caleb: https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/lifestyle-services/my-smart-network/scamcallprotect?utm_source=singtel&utm_medium=singtel-edm&utm_campaign=DAILY-security-suite-daily_security_blast_edm&utm_term=&utm_content=scamprotect_landing

Finally singtel telco got this

[3:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Caleb: Scam Call Protect is FREE for all Singtel Mobile and Fixed-line customers. Plus, did you know that Singtel 5G is ultra-secure with additional layers of encryption? Find out more here.

Scam Call Protect is provided FREE to all Singtel Mobile customers (no sign-up required). Since implementing Scam Call Protect, more than 30 million scam calls and 20 million scam SMSes have been blocked monthly, across our network (on average per month, based on statistics from December 2022). Customers should remain vigilant and exercise caution against the threat of scam calls and SMSes. Singtel assumes no responsibility for the prevention of scam calls or SMSes made over our network. Terms and conditions apply.

[3:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: SLA carries out so many bidding according to the approved procedure, it should not have any problem, right?

[4:06 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Encryption available on 4g or lte as well on 5g, the different is diameter protocol vs gtp protocol

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no concern but many are concern when big shot are involved in this case minister

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: then why not also say big shot who are filthy rich , do not they get special treatment also

[4:07 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: aka if one day is chow yuen fatt put in the bid and all details really shows is the actor will he get special treatment also

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If they follow the same procedure, what makes them so special in the bidding?

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like in some pte hospital they have vip and vvip patients ...

[4:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ask the public ... is like taking airplane

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: you have membership tier and vvip vip tier (without membership) why people is not complaining about that

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is because minister are involved

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if it is blank panties u think they bother

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If they do not follow the standard procedure, then there is an issue,?  unless our intention is to want them not to follow standard procedure..

[4:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: instead they will say wahh good service .... show Singapore is friendly...

[4:10 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: thus at least to me i think this is a no case and time wasting .....

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: in life there are bound some people will get preference treatment due to various reason handicap / media star (vip vvip) / dignitaries

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: even in war vvip and vip will get to evacuate first .. what can man on the street do .....

[4:11 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Media star is the popularity

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if really wan to be fair den it will be communist state everything belong to the state

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: all get the same treatment and pay

[4:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but in todays world even the communist state is not really communist can it need to evolve to up keep with the rest of the world

[4:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Even communist state is not equal now!

[4:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: seriously not sure why this is bring brought up -> to ensure there is fairness in bidding OR to show why minister can bid and live in such big property ?

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Communists state. The rulers have all the perks hahaha

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yup

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Last few page can focus on offence, penalty in 1 page?

[4:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Unnecessary issues really!

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if it is the 2nd reason then one have to ask why different people have different lives instead

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why some live in 3 room

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: why some in 4 room why some in 5 / ec or condo

[4:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: or it is just green eye reason and for stirring public shit that this was brought up

[4:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: If all follow the process, don't think it is an issue

[4:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: sometimes i thing ppl here make better oppo than those in the so call i love singapore and needs an oppo to rain check the incumbent

[4:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the issue is if such nonsense still carry on soon we will see shoes flying and stupid argument in parliament .... that will be the biggest crack for us ALL because it shows the govt is weak and meek that rubbish can take place at state level meeting

[4:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: The drama in Taiwan parliament?

[4:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ehh dun say liek that reh hahahahaha

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: just because others are we must ensure we do not follow them mah

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Caleb,

Good information to us.

Do you know the scam hotlines to share with us

Thank you.

[4:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: if our dear oppo nit pick well i am sure we public can nit pick on them with stupid things also

[4:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: instead of address more serious matter

[4:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: It was reported on BBC, Reuters, etc from 2013 till 2020... Very hard to forget.

[4:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: we shoudl learn to be contented here yes there are many issues which needs to be address

[4:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: but such monkey issues should not be put on the table and stir shit

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: like someone mentioned earlier there are more impt matters to address which affects the livelihood of the man on the street aka the nation , supply chain matters, defense matters , global political gang rivalry matters  and there we have a clown who says why minister can stay in these house

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: might as well say why minister cannot stay in HDB or in rented HDB house

[4:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Equal? (命水？同名不同命?)

"Who says life is equal? And how about the animals kingdom, are they equal too? Is it fated, or was it destiny in play or it is totally coincidence and the dimensions of time happens to be a simulation of many lifes, on and on?"

- - anonymity

[4:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: nah nah see even animals circle is not equal ... i just dun wan say .. no need phd also knwo nothing is equal else how to derive motion (progress)

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Fingerprints  => clone of fingerprint; Voice => AI impersonator

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: is like ground rumors calling to swing of votes just because they cannot get a house or car

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/experts-warn-of-voice/

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: might as well say govt revoke ur citizenship because u freaking hell dun give birth .. just wan a house to sleep make love and go tour

[4:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: waste of resources

[4:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: silly thinking we have now with the generations of young

[4:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thanks, Ah Heng!

[4:31 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: no need thanks me i am old man got think i sure say some are super hard truth

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: more hard than LKY book of Hard Truth

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thinking hard, or over thinking or otherwise!

Thanks, Ah Heng!

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Millennium generation will suffer life greatly with AI, drones and chatgpt

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: ai and drones and chatgpt is their father and mother now

[4:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Yes Sir!

The biggest challenges in life, going forward, is yet to be!

Thanks, Andrew for bringing it up!

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: technology will be the bane of human kind in time to come

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you, Ah Heng!

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not using voice as authentication.

But bank call back to bank customers, verify its identity through various personal parameters known only to the legitimate customer.

Before authorise transfer.

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos is over used in the disguise of making life better

[4:33 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: spam and ai scamming is one of such results

[4:35 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Wow! That's augmented deep learning AI, soon preview!

Thanks, Danny!

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Already, the creator chatgpt is asking Congress for legislation to control AI as its expected to surpass human intervention in about ten years time!

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Good move

[4:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Blockchain susceptible to Insider threat.

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Worth reading?

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

PM Lee said in a statement yesterday (23 May) that a review will be carried out on the rental of the Ridout Road properties by Minister (Law and Home Affairs) K Shanmugam and Minister (Foreign Affairs) Vivian Balakrishnan. The review will be independent of the ministries and agencies both Ministers supervise. 

PM Lee added that the review, to be led by SM Teo, must be done to ensure that the Government maintains the highest standards of integrity.

💬 What are your views on the situation, and the Government's efforts to ensure integrity and maintain trust in our Government systems? 

Over the past weeks, discussions had emerged over the circumstances by which Min Shanmugam and Min Balakrishnan came to be the tenants of No 26 and No 31 Ridout Ro…

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Generative humanoid voicing+images

[4:40 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Ah Heng you sound young 🌱

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: old ...

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: all books are worth reading depending on the direct of reader

[4:44 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: direction sorry

[4:45 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The best, do video conferencing, show face and show IC to bank staff.

Agree a transfer of certain amount to who and who has taken place.

Bank record the video conferencing as approval of online transfer.

Better than biometric authentication - fingerprint, facial recognition or voice recognition.

[4:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos all books will return some interesting findings to a reader

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: can i share something from the social media here (not a fav person of mine) but for one i agree with him

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: clavin cheng wrote it

[4:51 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: the best minds are not in government. If any were, business would steal them away. - Ronald Reagan”

Singapore has been extraordinary chiefly because of extraordinary leadership.

Part of this was because of our unique scholarship system which groomed the best for the civil service, and some of them moved into politics. Part of this was because the government started to pay well.

But even with good pay, it has been hard to attract the best people from the private sector to join politics.

Ministers Shanmugan and Vivian were two exceptions. Chaps who gave up lucrative private careers to enter Government.

They made big financial sacrifices. It is well known that Shan’s first year Ministerial salary wasn’t able to cover his previous year’s tax bill. Over the last decade, his financial ‘sacrifice’ was probably upwards of 45 million or more (6 as a lawyer minus 1.5 as a minister. Probably more, because a private citizen can invest in many more business opportunities).

But it isn’t just about money.

Over the last week or so, we have seen these two ministers being doxxed and harassed. Everyone now knows where they live.

And for what? I am 100% certain that the ministers followed proper process. I am also confident about the facts I laid out in the last few days : pre-Covid, black and white houses catered to a niche demographic. Rentals were a fraction of privately-owned GCBs, because very few people want to live in 100 year old houses they cannot refurbish.

Things have been especially bad for Min Shan. Over the years, Shan has taken the unenviable role as the ‘tough guy’ in the cabinet. He hasn’t been afraid to push unpopular policies, or to take on anyone he feels threatens the welfare of Singaporeans.

He made many enemies, and everyone of these have come out of the woodwork and taken a stab at him. They are cowards.

The inquiry will show that the Ministers did no wrong.

But the damage would have been done.

Financial sacrifice is one thing. But to put yourself out there, and become the victims of vindictive witch-hunts is another.

If I were Ministers Shan and Vivian, I would retire, and ride off into the sunset in an open top Ferrari with my middle finger in the air.

But they are better people than me.

We need to stop this.

Otherwise we are going to end up like other countries, where the best people are in business , and only the mediocre, and those who crave power enter politics.

And it will be Singaporeans who suffer.

[4:54 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Very well written.

This is exactly the point we want to drive.

Witch-hunt on the best people serving us - is as good as shooting ourselves on the feet.

Oppositions will try their best to do it - preying on gullible voters

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: totally agree

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: which haunt those who do not serve us and try to stir shit instead hahahahhaa

[4:55 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: really eat liao too full nothing to do or shit those people

[4:56 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: again i make my stance i stand neither with any political parties but from a normal man on the street view

[4:56 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: some of the topic for discussion here is really no need what education also can thing proper de

[4:57 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Like visiting a bank branch to approve the online transaction.

[4:57 pm, 24/05/2023] +Ah Heng: cos read a few times of the issue one will know if it is a shit stirring issue

[5:08 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Beijing subway line pilots palm print payment system"

 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/palm-print-payment-beijing-metro-tencent-china-wechat-3510861#:~:text=Beijing%20subway%20line%20pilots%20palm%20print%20payment%20system

[5:09 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Wow..

[5:11 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Use palm authentication, China commuters will pay metro by deducting it's WeChat account from Tencent.

But if hackers can replicate the unique palm print from a victim by stealing from Tencent palm print database - imprint into a hand grove - then the poor victims will pay the hacker metro ride - though not easy but not impossible.

[5:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Haha like those days of international calls where they hacked someone's account to use

[5:20 pm, 24/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Anything is possible.

[5:23 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Saw a spy movie who replicate a guy palm print to gain access to a highly restricted area.

Technically, it is possible because palm print biometric are converted into digital data using math model.

All images are done this way and can be copied.

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

All biometric images are done this way.

[5:25 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Singapore have it

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh is it?

I didn't see anyone using palm print to access the MRT.

I only see people using simplygo - smartphone or smart watch using NFC.

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Not mrt only shop

[5:27 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless ica

[5:29 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Ica use Interpol biometric database.

[5:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://youtu.be/Q5A-iDhCu_k

[5:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: There is no staffs service in 24hrs store.

[5:32 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Wow, I won't put my palm there - as my unique palm print will be captured by the backend system.

If this system is compromised, my unique palm print can in future be copied to access financial or ICA system.

[5:32 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Excellent

[5:37 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Is the gateway cls level 4 + others certification certified?  If yes, it should have achieved min security standards, and database should be secured.

[5:38 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: https://www.enterprisesg.gov.sg/resources/inspiring-stories/others/octobox

[5:39 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1970

MINISTERS’ salaries are raised for the first time in independent Singapore, from $2,500 a month to $4,500.

Their wages were previously frozen to set an example of wage restraint for other Singaporeans in the young country.

Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew tells Parliament that the salaries are being raised because he wants to appoint newly elected MP Hon Sui Sen, who used to head the Development Bank of Singapore, as the Finance Minister.

Earlier that year, Law Minister E.W. Barker had asked to leave politics as he could not afford his mortgage, which was based on his former income as a lawyer.

It is ‘not fair’ and ‘unrealistic’ to ask ministers to earn a wage ‘out of all proportion to what they were earning outside the Government and whose family needs are also pressing’, says Mr Lee in Parliament.

Also, it will be impossible to attract men of integrity and ability to become ministers with the existing pay once the current ministers leave office.

His own pay will, however, remain at $3,500 to demonstrate his commitment to the policy of no wage increases without productivity growth, he says.

Our Distinguished PM Lee Kuan Yew

[5:41 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Seems like need to comply with pci standard as well

[5:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1981

By March this year, ministers’ monthly pay has increased to $11,500. Mr Lee’s pay is now $16,500.

Mr Lee notes in Parliament that times have changed since the ‘revolutionary conditions’ of the 1950s and 1960s, when people were more willing to sacrifice for their ideals and ministers could be recruited from both Singapore and Malaya.

Said Mr Lee: ‘Now, our selection is confined only to Singaporeans. This makes it all the more crucial that some six to 10 of the best in the professions, from banking, and from industry, be recruited into the political leadership. Otherwise the Cabinet will simply not be equal to the more complex tasks of government.’

[5:45 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 1993

An impending pay rise for ministers is announced in December.

Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong tells Parliament that while he cannot pay ministers what they would earn in the private sector, the pay must still be such that the younger generation would consider it worth sacrificing their previous comforts and privacy for.

He is already finding it increasingly difficult to persuade talented individuals to become ministers, he says.

While acknowledging the political cost of the pay increase, Mr Goh said: ‘If we do not pay ministers adequately, we will get inadequate ministers. If you pay peanuts, you will get monkeys for your ministers. The people will suffer, not the monkeys.’

[5:47 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 2000

Extensive revision of the salary structure for ministers and civil servants. Junior ministers’ pay lags behind at just 10 per cent of the benchmark. The benchmark itself is found to be too narrow and unrepresentative.

The benchmark for a junior minister’s pay is changed to two-thirds of the median income of the top eight earners in six professions.

The new formula considers a broader sample – the top 48 earners instead of the previous 24. And to avoid being skewed upwards by a few extremely high earners, it uses median instead of average income and only considers half of the stock options awarded to the top earners.

The previous fixed salary points for ministers are converted to salary ranges. Junior ministers are now appointed at the MR4 range, a system still in place today.

The variable component of ministers’ pay is increased from 30 to 40 per cent. This way, a larger part of a minister’s pay will depend on his performance and the state of the economy, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

For the first time, a new gross domestic product-related bonus of up to two months is introduced under the ministers’ variable pay. It will later range from zero to six months.

The performance bonus of ministers also rises to five months’ pay, from an average of four months’ pay.

However, the President, Prime Minister and Senior Minister remain at fixed salary points and receive fixed bonuses.

After the revision, the Prime minister receives a yearly pay of $1.94 million and a junior minister, $968,000.

Again, the topic is hotly debated in the House. Many MPs criticise the timing of the raise, which comes after a transport fare hike and when workers’ CPF cuts have not been restored.

Mr Chiam repeats his 1994 call for moderation and a monthly salary of $50,000 for ministers – enough to pay for a bungalow, servants, two cars, annual holidays and their children’s education.[5:48 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 2011

Ministers’ pay in 2010 stood at 67 per cent of the benchmark after planned increments were deferred due to the 2009 financial crisis.

About 40 per cent of their pay is variable. Performance bonus can range from zero to 14 months, while GDP bonus varies from zero to eight months.

The issue of political salaries is a contentious one in the May general election and even in the August presidential election, when two of the four candidates pledge to donate part of their pay to charity if elected.

On May 21, PM Lee Hsien Loong announces that he has appointed a committee to review political salaries.

This week, the committee, headed by Mr Gerard Ee, releases its recommendations in a report titled ‘Salaries for a capable and committed government’.

It prop…

[5:54 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: In Memory of our Distinguished Minister of Law - E W Barker 

The pay cut and pains...

"But he was not a reluctant politician, as sometimes painted in the media. He contested the 1963 elections because then PM Lee Kuan Yew asked him to. But his personal reasons were deeply patriotic. "I joined for Singapore. I was born, bred, educated here. There's a feeling of attachment and loyalty," he told legal historian Kevin Tan after he retired from politics.

Mr Barker took a steep pay cut to join the Cabinet. His first pay cheque as law minister in 1964 was $2,500, not enough to pay his mortgage - which had been pegged to his previous income as a lawyer - and support his family of four school-going children. He asked to leave to return to law practice a few times, PM Lee later told Parliament, because he was struggling to meet his family commitments. In 1970, when ministerial salaries were raised to $4,500, his peers were earning $20,000 a month.

Yet Mr Barker stayed on because he enjoyed serving the nation, making a difference in the lives of Singaporeans..."

[5:55 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

User id, password, OTP stolen - still can change.

But if unique biometric fingerprint, facial recognition, iris, voice stolen - cannot change.

It stay with you forever.

Unless one do plastic surgery to change face, do a skin graft in fingers and palm, or go for surgery to change eyes or change voice cord.

Thus if want to use biometric authentication - better think twice, thrice, multiple times.

[5:57 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Any further adjustment of salary must be explained publicly and debated in Parliament openly with adequate coverage on free to air tv, radio and local print media before implementation .

[5:58 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: There is a saying, "great Leaders All are great communicators..."

Thanks, Andrew for raising it.

[5:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Can we all SEE that circumstances change over the course of time....from the 1970s to today!

Great Leadership also includes circumstances!

[5:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:00 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think is a first release 2019 since the case this year.

If this company license under ICA

[6:00 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thanks, Andrew!

The rest of history!

Just a moment of silence and reflection...

Thanks, Andrew!

[6:01 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Cheers Mate!

[6:01 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My hindsights tell me biometric authentication - harmful to users.

It is the ultimate.

Lose it once, lose it forever, unless you are reborn.

[6:02 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: Always seeking an alternative and new perspective from history!

Thanks, Andrew!

[6:03 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Sigh… don’t tell me Singapore developers are yet to make united all in one system.

China already did all in one system but don’t know what’s is outcome biometric authentication

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Government intervention needed!?

[6:04 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I remember iPhone 6s all user under one system fingerprint ID

[6:05 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Fingerprint did apple collect worldwide data to store in? I obviously never happen.

[6:08 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Blackberry setup new cybersecurity system network under one system.

[6:10 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

That means if a hacker steal Mr A fingerprint.

The hacker virtually can steal his bank account, ride on metro, go pass immigration and travel overseas using the victim identity.

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: AI can read anyone when the hacker attack AI under cybersecurity alert

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the only way Mr A can change his identity is to reborn as another person with a unique fingerprint, eyes, palm, facial, voice.

[6:12 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Your SingPass won’t steal another.

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: All is need cybersecurity is one of power AI

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singpass can change if stolen.

Biometric cannot change.

[6:13 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Impossible can’t be stole

[6:14 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: My advise is best choice iOS than android

[6:14 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh Singpass can't be stolen?

[6:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Pity those who can only afford android!

[6:15 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Hmm but don’t mind me comments this question I am not perfect 100% only developers company will work close to government

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Nothing to do with android or iOS.

Singpass still can be stolen.

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 😞🤦‍♂️

[6:16 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Verity’s ID face

[6:17 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else government will not tell user not to disclose userid, password of Singpass.

[6:17 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Unmatched won’t open SingPass otherwise can be blocked

[6:18 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Biometric including facial recognition can be hack.

[6:18 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Biometric is not ready in SingPass 

But I believe government is working close other company project

[6:19 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My phone run out of battery.

Pse see the above how facial recognition can be hacked.

[6:19 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you note SingPass forgot password they will verity ID face

[6:21 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Things is different

[6:22 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Let me say SingPass everyone have a IC with photo when verity match

[6:22 pm, 24/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

My phone run out of battery cannot respond anymore.

[6:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Then 60 seconds close and login out

[6:23 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: 60 seconds too long!?

[6:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Is 1mins

[6:24 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you need super fast how long to take 😂

[6:27 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: But important never give anyone nor share personal details otherwise mule scam money to sell user

[6:28 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[6:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Older people better won’t use SingPass because they non education.

[6:29 pm, 24/05/2023] +Rama: A problem area!

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Let it beyond general public

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: IOS is a closed ecosystem, whereas android and harmony is open ecosystem

[6:30 pm, 24/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: App SingPass are separate

[6:36 pm, 24/05/2023] +SL: Biometrics is not full proof of security on its own, which is why the industry pushes out multimode authentication, similar to multi factor authentication vs single authentication. In the future maybe cips implant inserted skin (nfc) + facial recognition + retina scanning and palm scanning or even further away genetic scanning or carbon code scanning 🤷‍♂️

[6:46 pm, 24/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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[6:59 pm, 24/05/2023] +Smiley face: 24 May, 2023

To: Our Distinguished Leaders, All Honorable Members and the Members of the Public

The Contestations of Ideology and Reality?

The old school of thinking was to pay one's worthy effort for a tale of silver or less than, that's it! The modern thoughts of compensation 新加坡总统批准。老师，谢谢！ to pay according to the contribution of a person's effort in creating economics and non economics (包山包海) benefits to an organisation or larger circumstances; it's more than monetary rewards, it can also include a small stake in the organisation or free accomodations and other incidentals cost of living; all are merits! 

Are there real concerns with the new ways of compensation with exceptional circumstances (特殊情况) with it an individual or a group of individuals are continuously contributing to the betterment of the larger others. Wouldn't any enterprise do the same things to retain their Talents and one commonality in retaining your valuable talents is through perks otherwise known as entitlements and privileges. It's about competition, talents and productivity at all levels of a nation. 

Anything wrong doings, that is Integrity, Honesty and Merits? Or no issue at all!

"There is no rite and there is no wrong; the rite proves it's rite and the wrong proves it's wrong...so what is rite and what is wrong?"

- - anonymity 

PEG Council?

Is there a committee for Privileges, Entitlements and Governance?

If not, it's timely to form an independent Council called PEG?

Perhaps, going forward, for the sake and sanity of governance of such Public sensitive issues; including executives from the attorney general office, auditor general office and Members of Parliament. A Council comprising up to 30% are members of the public who are non-partisan nor holding any public or private offices and no ex- civil servant nor ex-politician in it. 

Simply, up to 30%, are members of the Public with nil conflict of interest to all! These members of the public do not need a PhD nor masters degree to be admissible into this Honorable Council.

All Members must be citizens by birth and reside in Singapore for the minimum last twenty years and age between 40 years to 80 years. 

Appointment wise, for all members to serve a maximum of two terms and each term lasted four years to be vetted and appointed by the Parliament and approved by the Office of the President.

           - - in progress - -

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