Thursday, August 28, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 92 - What are your views on the latest slew of measures taken to address vaping?

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28 Aug 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [28/8/2025 4:16 pm]

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REACH Singapore, [28/8/2025 4:31 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

On August 28 (Thursday), the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Home Affairs announced that etomidate would be listed as a Class C drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act. This would mean harsher penalties for those who abuse and supply etomidate – the anaesthetic agent found in drug-laced vapes, known as Kpods.

Etomidate will be listed as a Class C drug for six months until Feb 28 next year, which allows enforcement to begin immediately.

Legislative changes announced on Aug 28, that kick in from Sept 1, are designed to choke the supply of vapes into Singapore by cutting access to online platforms. They will also prevent those in the illicit trade from profiting from the business.

💬 What are your views on the latest slew of measures taken to address vaping?

📌 Harsher Penalties for Etomidate Abusers and Suppliers

From Sep 1, first-time offenders under 18 will face an increased fine of S$500, while those 18 and above will be fined S$700. A second offence will require the individual to undergo a three-month rehabilitation programme, consisting of six sessions. For a third or subsequent offence, the offender will be prosecuted in court under the Tobacco (Control of Advertisements and Sale) Act (TCASA) and may be fined up to S$2,000.

Those who import etomidate face a mandatory minimum sentence of three years’ jail and five strokes of the cane. The maximum penalty is 20 years' imprisonment and 15 strokes. Those who sell or distribute the substance will face at least two years’ jail and two strokes of the cane, with maximum penalties of 10 years and five strokes.

📌 Stricter Enforcement on Vaping

Authorities will also step up enforcement measures on vaping and etomidate users, with schools, civil service and the SAF to enforce rules.

In schools, students may face school-based penalties such as detention, suspension, caning (for boys), conduct grade adjustments and rehabilitative counselling.

Public servants caught using, possessing or distributing vapes will be subject to disciplinary measures such as fines, demotions and dismissal.

Singapore Armed Forces personnel will be dealt with under military law, which allows for penalties including fines, detention and discharge from service.

Foreigners found in possession of vapes will have them seized and may be fined.

Repeat offenders will face harsher consequences. Short-term visit pass holders, such as tourists, will be banned from re-entering Singapore upon departure if caught again.

📌 Rehabilitation and Public Education

Help is available under the QuitVape programme for those who wish to kick the habit, said MOH and MHA.

Those using Kpods can seek help from the Institute of Mental Health, WE CARE Community Services, the Singapore Anti-Narcotics Association, the Thye Hua Kwan Moral Charities and Fei Yue Community Services. Users who come forward voluntarily – including minors referred by parents – will also not be penalised.

Vape disposal bins will continue to be available at selected locations, such as where rehabilitation and QuiteVape programmes are located, for people to dispose of vapes.

The government will also step up public education efforts. The Health Promotion Board will continue to work with the Ministry of Education to incorporate anti-vaping messages in school materials and prevention programmes.

👉🏻  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/kpod-etomidate-vape-penalties-fines-caning-5317151

👉🏻 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/vaping-schools-students-nicotine-tests-kpod-5317436

👉🏻 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/vape-etomidate-kpod-ong-ye-kung-fast-we-could-5319266

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REACH Singapore, [28/8/2025 4:35 pm]

[ Poll : I feel confident that the latest measures taken will curb vaping effectively. Please share your reasons in the chat! ]

- Strongly agree

- Agree

- Neutral 

- Disagree

- Strongly disagree


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:46 pm]

1. I feel that caning for traffickers of vapes or those who import them whether online or in person - will be effective in greatly reducing the supply of vapes into Singapore.

2. Fines and imprisonment may be inconvenience but pain inflicted and fear from caning will be more effectively felt.


365, [28/8/2025 4:46 pm]

I always support the control of drugs and the harsh punishments that come alongside, just wondering why this etomidate doesn't warrant a death sentence.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:46 pm]

I think is class C not class A like heroine and stronger drugs.


365, [28/8/2025 4:47 pm]

I'm ignorant on the different classes, and how they classify them. Do they have a methodology to quantify the harm each drug can bring?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:49 pm]

Not sure.

I think HSA should have the classification.

Etomidate is an anaesthetic - an approved drug meant for injection during surgery.

But using it to smoke through inhalation has side effects that can damage organs.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:51 pm]

[28/08, 4:50 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Etomidate is an anaesthetic drugs, an approved drug?

[28/08, 4:50 pm] Meta AI: 

Etomidate is indeed an approved anesthetic drug. It's used for inducing general anesthesia and supplementing other anesthetics during short surgical procedures. Here are some key points about etomidate ¹:

- *Approved Uses*: Etomidate is FDA-approved for induction of general anesthesia and supplementation of subpotent anesthetic agents to maintain anesthesia during short operative procedures.

- *Off-Label Uses*: Etomidate is also used off-label for sedation and to reduce cortisol levels in patients with Cushing's syndrome.

- *Dosage*: The typical dosage for general anesthesia induction is 0.2-0.6 mg/kg intravenously over 30-60 seconds.

- *Side Effects*: Common side effects include transient pain at the injection site, muscle twitches or jerks, adrenal suppression, and respiratory issues like hyperventilation and depressed respiration.

It's worth noting that etomidate is not recommended for prolonged infusion due to the risk of adrenal suppression, and its use in certain populations, such as children under 10 years old and pregnant women, requires careful consideration ¹.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:53 pm]

Good news.

MAS has in effect ready its counter measures long ago - (2013) 2023 to protect our wealth from currency attack.

Feel really relieve for our Government foresight.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:55 pm]

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Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 4:56 pm]

So it's just etomidate vape lah what about other vape

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 4:56 pm]

It's just 2k fine?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:57 pm]

I think it applies to all vapes - if I interpret correctly.

Except stronger measures for etomidate?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 4:59 pm]

Project Ubin replace by Project Orchid - our National Flower and our 1st currency note design.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:02 pm]

"Future pilots could include the use of “live” wholesale CBDC for the settlement of cross-border securities trade."

Digital Currency in pilot for cross border payment.

Will protect our S$ cash from speculative attack.

Kudos to MAS.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:17 pm]

May I suggest the bin the vape program extend to army camps


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:18 pm]

I thought they should.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:18 pm]

Like after the vape talk give them one last chance to throw them away

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:19 pm]

I left the army a few years already not sure how the situation now


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:19 pm]

Army is where people pick up smoking cigarettes, vapes and drinking alcohol.

Stress and peer bad influence could be the factors.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:20 pm]

Ya speaking from experience my whole bunk vape except me and another guy

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:21 pm]

And I know my sgt vape too

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:21 pm]

They will share a puff to people who don't vape


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:22 pm]

Cutting the supply off will stop all these nonsense.

Else our youth lives will be wasted.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:23 pm]

Then somehow the quit smoking talk they only target the smoker back then

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:24 pm]

Only when you declare you are smoker then they will ask you to attend talks


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:24 pm]

No scientific evidence at that time.

Cannot anyhow stop.

Now everyone knows the harmful effects of vaping - hence strong measures must come down.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:25 pm]

Kind of hard because our borders are very busy so easy to traffic in


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:26 pm]

But don't get caught.

It comes with penalties.


Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 5:27 pm]

Saf 9 core value don't get caught


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:27 pm]

Coc 7


RY, [28/8/2025 5:37 pm]

I just feel the judgement still a bit light for user, as just "Fine" mainly 

But rehab & counselling by the IMH/social svs institutions, are a gd follow up to quit Kpops, esp for those addicted youngsters

For those Etomidate supplier eg vapes for illegal use, it certainly serves as a gd deterrent, since they are prosecuted under the SG law with jail and canning 

Etomidate (as anaesthesia) should only be restricted to the use in Healthcare sector with strict administration, since it is used during surgery

Public Education is essential, since this is a new addiction in the form of vaping

It is vital that Govt has ban Vaping in SG in the start, since we know Tobacco smoking is never gd for health 

Vaping disposal also a gd move for those who learn that Etomidate is a new addiction and shd dispose 

To have different relevant Ministries collaborating and working together to tackle this new misuse of drugs, is definitely a gd initiative by the SG govt 

To have the revision law with immediate effect, means the relevant Law Enforcer may take action instantly with no further delay 

There are many private entertainment clubs (for member only) in SG besides public pubs/disco and etc. And I understand many members there eat/drink/smoke/dance with DJs for their enjoyment over midnight. Such private entertainment places, maybe the MHA shd also have periodically spot-check too

But why Etomidate as Drug C listing only apply until Feb28 next year for 6mths only ? Any idea ? ?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:39 pm]

Huh up to Feb 2028 only?

Couldn't find this news in this topic.


RY, [28/8/2025 5:44 pm]

Sorry for my typo error .... the Drug C Listing only valid for 6mths fm Aug28 to Feb28 next year - as stated in the news


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:49 pm]

Oh is it?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 5:52 pm]

Strange, will this means if etomidate is drop from class C list, the penalties don't apply?


365, [28/8/2025 5:58 pm]

Hopefully push to the stricter class afterwards? Maybe starting out low to give time for addicts to adapt and rehabilitate?


RY, [28/8/2025 5:58 pm]

Wondering is it because Etomidate is a approved drugs in HSA and used in Healthcare 

But why Etomidate Drug C listing valid for 6 mths only ?

Morphine also controlled addiction drug, but with approved usage in SG Healthcare

365, [28/8/2025 5:59 pm]

My hope is they dw a "sudden brake" implementation, and trying to ease into it for societal concerns. Not info how deep the issue has seeped in already.

G, [28/8/2025 6:14 pm]

Why not include hard manual labour (i.e. construction worker, road repair etc) as part of punishment 

SG has got chronic shortage of manual labour worker anyway

G, [28/8/2025 6:15 pm]

Physical labour under the sun will definitely sober them up


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 6:15 pm]

I thought drug classification should be based on scientific drug properties and its side effects.

Will be strange to reclassify drugs not based on scientific classification.


Kai Bin, [28/8/2025 6:18 pm]

The enhanced penalties may help to deter people from using e-vaporisers.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 6:31 pm]

Unless new drug properties are found or new side effects are discovered like how vaping manifest hallucinations, suicide, organs failure when inhale then warrant a reclassification.

Else pharmacists and medical community will have problem handling drugs usage in different drug classes.


Adam, [28/8/2025 6:32 pm]

I find it weird that vapes in general are banned

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:32 pm]

People could lace cigarettes with weed


LCL (Danny 心), [28/8/2025 6:33 pm]

Then this is drug abuse.


Adam, [28/8/2025 6:33 pm]

Or salbutamol inhalers with etomitade

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:33 pm]

hard... it will destroy the cigarette seal from ICA... and it is $500 per stick fine...

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:35 pm]

also... if you bring the "approved" cigarette from Singapore to overseas... make sure you finished them before you came back to Singapore... because it is not allowed to bring in although the cigarette got stickers...

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:35 pm]

I never smoked so i dunno what the stickers look like.

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:36 pm]

Id imagine people morally deprived for selling drugs wouldnt be deterred by a sticker

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:36 pm]

https://www.customs.gov.sg/businesses/valuation-duties-taxes-fees/singapore-duty-paid-cigarette-sdpc-mark/

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:37 pm]

I guess Gov still can't find ways to seal the vapes... so all banned...

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:38 pm]

If some ventolin inhalers are found to contain class c drugs, will gov start to inspect asthmatic people?

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:38 pm]

is the inhalers required doctor prescription?

365, [28/8/2025 6:38 pm]

What if before leaving Singapore, you have to declare your own cigarettes, then anything that was brought in and wasn't declared prior, will be taxed heavily.

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:40 pm]

I previously had a casual conversation with ICA officer.... She said that the rule  is to rule out if the SDPC stickers is being faked overseas... so they just banned all..

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:42 pm]

Yeah so they have to stop at the border

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:42 pm]

But if within singapore. Since vapes are already illegal easy to spot

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:43 pm]

Cigs would probably be harder to tell if its laced

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:44 pm]

as long as it had sdpc sticker... hardly laced....

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:44 pm]

We are going after vaping solely because it looks that way, instead of knowing if someone is breathing steam or some class c substance

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:45 pm]

This is assuming it isnt faked and brought in

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:45 pm]

SDPC sticker can't be brought in from outside singapore....

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:45 pm]

ICA still taxed and fined any cigarette came from outside singapore...

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:46 pm]

If you tell a criminal it cant be brought in to singapore, will they say ok we wont do it?

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:46 pm]

They can smuggle it... but if got caught, there will be heavy fine.... even the smaller number... $500 per stick....

Ahin, [28/8/2025 6:47 pm]

Not only at border... if anyone got caught with illegal cigarette in Singapore... will also be fined...

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:48 pm]

Im pretty sure the vape users also know they will get fined if get caught. It was illegal long ago but now they are taking more seriously

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:50 pm]

Speaking of, many of us trust the sticker system

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:50 pm]

Would singaporeans be accepting if a stickered vape

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:51 pm]

Cannot import vape but sticker vape contain same chemicals as cigarettes and costs as expensive as one

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:51 pm]

Make vape ugly as cigarette packet too to top it off

365, [28/8/2025 6:53 pm]

I think the outright ban on vape is better.

Think of this as a snowball problem. Cigarettes had the snowball rolling from very long ago, growing into a big issue with big momentum. It has seeped so deeply into societal norms that outright banning it is not viable, considering the different societal factors involved.

Vape is relatively new, it had some momentum due to the lack of enforcement. However, the snowball is still within a controllable size, so we should stop it completely dead in its tracks and not let it have any opportunity to grow into a bigger problem down the road.

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:56 pm]

Yeah, thats one argument. Vape might be gateway to worse chemicals. But some say vape is better than cigs and can be used to help people quit. Id rather someone vape beside me than smoke. My lungs are sensitive.

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 6:56 pm]

I called it new age opium

Adam, [28/8/2025 6:57 pm]

Vaping nicotine or kpods?

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 6:57 pm]

Both

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 6:58 pm]

Kpods is worse but vaping nicotine is already like opium

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 6:59 pm]

K pods it's easier to spot because of the zombie effect but normal vape it's convenient and can easily hide

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 6:59 pm]

Without kpods I think authorities are not serious about vaping

Adam, [28/8/2025 7:00 pm]

Makes me wonder why these druggies are stupid to go public and get caught

RY, [28/8/2025 7:01 pm]

Agreed

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 7:01 pm]

Cause addictive

Adam, [28/8/2025 7:02 pm]

Rich people have closed chat group go sentosa to rent villa to do drugs and police only find out from a tipoff

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 7:03 pm]

Normal average people don't have the private space to do drugs

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 7:04 pm]

Just like I don't have private space to study. Need to find library to study

Adam, [28/8/2025 7:04 pm]

As Josephine teo says. Need small space

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 7:04 pm]

And when I need to speak up to memories stuff I need to find other places that is not quiet

RY, [28/8/2025 7:05 pm]

Even SG has sticker for cigarette

But many smokers still able to buy cheaper contraband cigarette in SG - my understanding

RY, [28/8/2025 7:11 pm]

Many MHA law enforcers shd also look at private property, as it maybe true that such places are gd for private "partying" for those filthy rich 

That may include private yacht also

RY, [28/8/2025 7:12 pm]

That is for couple to produce baby ... as per Minister Josephine ...

365, [28/8/2025 7:31 pm]

I would like to suggest for youth offenders (under 18), we can allow for lighter punishments if they confess and willing to go to rehabilitation, or if their parents report.

This is to take the parents emotion into consideration, whereby they are understandably hesitant to report their own children, and encourage them to come forward. 

In summary

- Self-confess has the lightest punishment

- Reported by parents had a lighter punishment

- Caught by law enforcement has the strictest punishment

Jun Ming, [28/8/2025 7:32 pm]

https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/_4WR7FT2T

Adam, [28/8/2025 7:37 pm]

If singaporeans vape overseas will it be treated as buying and using drugs overseas?

Adam, [28/8/2025 7:37 pm]

Or is it like buying and using stickerless cigs?

365, [28/8/2025 8:02 pm]

Normal vape I'm not sure, but if laced with drug content then still illegal. Our drug consumption law has extra-judicial reach

RY, [28/8/2025 8:08 pm]

I concur 

Offenders that come forward and confess, and 1st timer should have a lighter punishment, as 2nd chance maybe given

RY, [28/8/2025 8:14 pm]

Hope our Govt may eventually get rid of this harmful kpods, as we know any drug addiction will cause societal/mental/healthcare problems later 

And banning the misuse of drugs and with punishment maybe the best for the nation well-being ultimately

REACH Singapore, [28/8/2025 8:17 pm]

Dear Contributors,

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Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

RY, [28/8/2025 8:25 pm]

Gdnite Reach Team & Participants 🙏

REACH Singapore, [28/8/2025 8:31 pm]

Dear Contributors

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊


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Tuesday, August 26, 2025

Is LHC collider successful in creating an early Universe?

 [26/08, 9:35 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: [26/08, 9:34 pm] 

☸️  Danny 心: Is LHC collider successful in creating an early Universe?


[26/08, 9:34 pm] Meta AI: 

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has been successful in recreating conditions similar to those of the early universe, particularly in the moments following the Big Bang. By colliding particles at nearly the speed of light, the LHC generates extreme temperatures and energy densities that allow scientists to study the fundamental nature of matter and the universe.

*Key Achievements:*

- *Quark-Gluon Plasma Creation*: The LHC has created a quark-gluon plasma, a state of matter thought to have existed in the early universe. This plasma is formed when lead ions are collided at high energies, producing a hot and dense state of matter.

- *Top Quark Observation*: Scientists at the LHC have successfully observed top quarks, one of the most elusive and short-lived fundamental particles. This discovery provides insights into the early universe and the fundamental forces of nature.

- *Recreating Early Universe Conditions*: The LHC's collisions have recreated conditions similar to those of the universe shortly after the Big Bang, allowing scientists to study the fundamental components of matter and the universe's origins ¹ ² ³.

*Experimental Conditions:*

- *Lead Ion Collisions*: The LHC collides lead ions to generate the high-energy conditions necessary for quark-gluon plasma formation.

- *High-Energy Collisions*: The collider accelerates particles to nearly the speed of light, creating high-energy collisions that simulate conditions in the early universe ³ ⁴.

*Implications:*

- *Understanding the Universe's Origins*: The LHC's discoveries have shed light on the universe's origins and the fundamental laws of physics that govern it.

- *Advancements in Particle Physics*: The LHC's findings have confirmed key aspects of the Standard Model of particle physics and have the potential to reveal new physics beyond it ⁵.


[26/08, 9:36 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: God created universe is disputed as LHC has created an early Universe in the laboratory.

Monday, August 25, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 91 -  What are your views on the Government’s approach to supporting fresh graduates in the job market? What more can be done to support fresh graduates in the job market?

(SK)

25 Aug 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 9:56 am]

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REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 10:01 am]

📢 Topic 📢

Recent and soon-to-be graduates can apply for traineeships under the Graduate Industry Traineeships (GRIT) scheme to tackle job concerns amid a more uncertain labour market and volatile economic climate. Minister for Manpower Tan See Leng announced the details of the new GRIT and GRIT@Gov programmes, which aim to support fresh graduates who are keen to gain exposure in private sector organisations and public sector agencies respectively, on Aug 22 by at the OCBC Grow Your Way festival.

💬 What are your views on the Government’s approach to supporting fresh graduates in the job market? What more can be done to support fresh graduates in the job market?

Manpower Minister Tan See Leng said the programme is designed to help fresh graduates gain industry experience and practical skills via traineeships, which can then help them explore their career options while also raising their employability.

The scheme was first announced by Prime Minister Lawrence Wong in his National Day Rally speech on Aug 17 and is aimed at boosting employability for young Singaporeans, namely Institute of Technical Education, polytechnic and university graduates.

Applications for the government-funded traineeships start in October, with up to 800 positions offered across various sectors for a start, each lasting three to six months. Trainees will receive a monthly allowance ranging from $1,800 to $2,400 for the duration of their stint. The Government will fund 70 per cent of the allowance, while the host organisation will fund the rest.

📌 More Vacancies for Fresh Graduates: 

Dr Tan said that besides these traineeships under GRIT, the public sector is also offering about 2,400 immediate vacancies for fresh graduates via the Careers@Gov job portal. He added that the authorities are prepared to increase the level of support, including funding more traineeships, if the labour market worsens and if long-term unemployment continues to rise.

📌 Starting on a Smaller Scale: 

Dr Tan said that the Government has started on a much smaller scale in terms of the numbers, so as to be mindful that it does not cannibalise the full-time employment opportunities for young graduates. He added that the Government does not want it to cannibalise more mature employees so companies must not have retrenchment plans in place so that they can then use this as a cheap source of labour and that the Government we will be very strict in terms of how it dispenses these monies.

📌 Identifying Host Organisations: 

Workforce Singapore said it would, together with other agencies, identify “progressive host organisations from growth sectors” such as financial services, information and communications technology, as well as manufacturing and wholesale trade, to offer traineeships. Dr Tan said companies in key growth sectors, including Grab, Micron, OCBC Bank, ST Engineering, and Sea and its subsidiaries, will be among the companies offering traineeships. Roles will include those in areas such as data science, strategy and planning, business analytics, digital marketing and engineering.

📌 Previous Traineeship Scheme:

Traineeships were previously offered in the midst of economic uncertainties during the COVID-19 pandemic through the SGUnited Traineeships Programme, which was launched in 2020. Based on WSG’s experience, the SGUnited Traineeships facilitated longer-term employment outcomes for most trainees. 

The government will assess whether the scheme's capacity needs to be expanded based on the economic situation and labour market indicators, as well as sentiments on jobs and the economy among fresh graduates, it added.

If the situation worsens, the government is prepared to put in more funding, said Dr Tan.

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/govt-funded-traineeships-for-fresh-graduates-to-kick-off-in-october-with-up-to-800-places

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/traineeship-employment-fresh-graduate-economic-uncertainty-5306581

👉 https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/press-releases/2025/0822-grit

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Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:19 am]

Not very useful... Thanks

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:20 am]

Scope is too limited

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 10:20 am]

What's so special about this year's graduates that government has to step in?

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 10:21 am]

I also had hard time to find job when i graduated 10years back. They need to lower their expectations and cannot expect society to spoonfeed

Adam, [25/8/2025 10:21 am]

We need systematic changes to improve job security as a whole. This is a bad band aid

Adam, [25/8/2025 10:22 am]

Why would company pay so much for workers here that need expensive rent and expensive meals. Reduce COL and we are more attractive to mncs

Adam, [25/8/2025 10:26 am]

And are the incentives to pay locals enough to give an edge over foreigners? I dont think so. Locals already have difficulty with moderate income and have to pay cpf reducing take home pay, 

Also company has to pay more cpf for younger employee than older too. For the same wage in job listing, you get a discount hiring elders

Adam, [25/8/2025 10:28 am]

I dont want band aids. I want long lasting policies the benefit local born singapoteans as a whole

365, [25/8/2025 10:28 am]

Entitlement gets stronger with each generation. You're not entitled to a job just because you graduated. 

Graduated from a private uni, accepted a relatively low-paying job and worked my way up.

A lot of spoonfeeding from the government and yet still not satisfied.

Adam, [25/8/2025 10:30 am]

I feel companies will exploit this spoonfeeding too. I wonder how well they evaluate these places. Sure they might hire based on traineeship. But did they reduce their normal fresh grad job listings? Would be cruel to achieve  net zero

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:35 am]

I feel that work study programme is much better than grit

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:35 am]

As the scope is wider

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:38 am]

And I am sure they need some interviews process right

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [25/8/2025 10:38 am]

Add more cameras around the school for bullying.

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 10:38 am]

It's not like a free pass

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [25/8/2025 10:40 am]

For K pod n vapes, go to all pub n clubs. Every other person have them

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 10:53 am]

A lot of times, i have heard from other departments that the new joiner would be able to immediately contribute to the team. E.g. plug and play type.

Not many are willing to spend time and effort to train new joiners/graduates. It's this way that retaining of staff is difficult

Would need mindset change from company boss/managers (local and foreign)

REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 11:05 am]

[ Poll : I am confident that the scheme will effectively boost the employability of young Singaporeans. ]

- Strongly Agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly Disagree

G, [25/8/2025 11:26 am]

Fresh grads unable to find jobs..

Isn't it concerning that graduates from the NUS (ranked 8th in the world, QS) and NTU (ranked 12th in the world, QS) cannot find jobs in SG?

So is it the uni education is inadequate? How come fresh grads need to go for skills future upgrade so soon after graduation?

What's being done to review the relevance of uni education?

Adam, [25/8/2025 11:27 am]

Yeah one thing i worry the company will only bring these trainees for plug and play roles without a path for future development. One big issue is thats how the incentive the gov give is structured.

If the gov is so gung ho about using the traineeship system, the incentive will need to align with the outcome. Or some compromises so the company moves in the direction the sg gov wants. We cannot just give them freebies.

Instead of simply paying throughout the tenure and abruptly stopping, give some much lesser incentive for holding for longer. Maybe if a corp has a high share of sg citizens by paycheck, not employment numbers, we can give tax benefits.

And we cannot just give carrots. Since the gov give support there must be some accountability. Gov have to audit employment and talent management practices of the company. Why werent they hiring sgeans before? if need support now, will hiring stop later? Are sgeans not goven advanceme t opportunities and why?

Do not give a free meal. Companies wont die without it.

xXx.SCAR.xXx, [25/8/2025 11:42 am]

I don't think the scheme is that beneficial to grads and there's opportunity costs to not securing a permanent job after taking up this offer.

But it is still better than nothing or not doing anything while developing/waiting for a perfect solution.

Another way that the government can help is to be more flexible with NS ICT call-ups while these grads find or had just found a job.

Adam, [25/8/2025 11:47 am]

Lol, ict would basically be the gov paying an nsf a traineeship 2k salary. Well nsfs are paid like trash anyway but as our minister said, their contributions cannot be measured in dollars and cents

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 12:04 pm]

The measure by paycheck could also misleading. CEO's pay would be much higher than most of the new grad's pay combined. Haha

Nicholas, [25/8/2025 12:09 pm]

I'm supportive as understand that the job market is really bad for fresh graduates currently. However I wonder what caused the turn in the labour market. Just two years ago, it was quite hard to hire good fresh graduates as they were getting multiple offers. Then layoffs started appearing in the news and now fresh graduates are unemployed. I hope the ministerial committees looking at this can expedite and give the report by end of the year instead of mid next year, as there seems to be a systemic issue.

Nicholas, [25/8/2025 12:11 pm]

Also in the 2008-2009 crisis, government agencies stepped up hiring significantly. Are they doing that now? And also why are government agencies only offering 2-year contracts instead of full time employment. Short term contracts only push the issue down the road, doesn't resolve it.

Adam, [25/8/2025 12:13 pm]

Yeah so would you rather the ceo of the company that benefits from traineeship grants be singaporean, or have have corps with foreign upper and middle management lord over freash grads with no path up?

Joomua Tng, [25/8/2025 1:06 pm]

the world is changing fast...if still stick to the traditional attitude of employability...then Singaporeans will face an increasing problem.

I have no solutions for it. I am out of the race so much so...driving taxi for income and hoping to master trading and make it work for wealth growth and livelihood.

for employment and employability...i am totally dropped out of the race..

up to the young graduates to use their youth and fast mind and education to compete in the ever increasingly competitive world.

.......

good luck and have fun discussing and hopefully provide a feasible solutions.

REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 2:05 pm]

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REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 2:14 pm]

Dear Contributors,

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💬 What are your views on the Government’s approach to supporting fresh graduates in the job market? What more can be done to support fresh graduates in the job market?

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

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LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 2:27 pm]

My close friend comments:-

I also think this GRIT thingy is a stop gap measure 😬.


My comments:-

Yes.

It is a temp measure.

Because a black swan event is emerging.

Many companies not employing.

This is a stop gap measure to entice companies to employ hopefully they will eventually employ the trainees to be a permanent staff.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 2:30 pm]

My close friend comments:-

Then there were other serious challenging periods like asian financial crisis '97 and global financial triggered by collapsed of Lehman's brothers in 2007.

The gov undertook more fundamental measures like pay structures monthly variable components, yearly variable components such that in bad times, companies can take away some or all of the variable components and keep people employed.

Grit then sounds like a temporary stop gap measure to keep grads occupied, entrusting host companies to take good care of them. Sure? I think some would.

I think pay re- structure, have to step in and it's going to be really difficult. Past few years of property boom - many might have max out their financial capability. And a straw poll from the young - don't think younger gen pay structures has variable components. Of course, they don't have to tell me the truth..long term survival for sg is a totally new game. If the world can get they acts tog minus 1 big country. The excess capacity cannot be absorbed , and what's the point of producing excess to sell at lower price? This diminishing returns will result in downsizing => long term unemployment => social unrest, conflicts and even war.

The path to survival is to find a way (1) we win, others lose (2) all win , we win more, others win less or (3) all win, we win less and others win more.

We lose is a non option. Means the end for Singapore.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 2:52 pm]

1. Personally, I think some seisimic events are unfolding compounded by a tech disruptor that disrupt jobs -- and hence result in a global job phenomenon that have a great impact affecting employment of fresh graduates.


2. The seismic events are in effect pulling the rugs of international trade that fuel many decades of Global Economic growth in many countries bringing prosperity through trade, investment, business and job creation to many Countries.

It fundamentally change how Countries do business with one another, exchange of labour, trade through competitive advantage and job creation - an Economic the world is familiar with - into something the World is adverse of --- to be Protectionist, Isolationist and win-lose proposition --- that will have a very bad consequences to small Countries like Singapore - who is lopsidedly dependent on trade 3 times the size of our GDP (US$1.25 trillion) in trade to fuel our Economy - GDP of about US$500 billion.


3. So a black swan event is emerging - notably the Geopolitical challenges that will change the way we prosper, we do business and we create jobs.

a. Tariff War

It is an unprecedented event that mirror the 1930s Deep Depression that trigger WW2 - when tariff were imposed on foreign countries at 20% or lower.

Now the tariff imposed by Trump are 10%, 20%, 46%, 50%, 100% for semiconductor and higher for pharmaceutical.

This is emerging into an unchartered water.

Tariff is computed to bring US$600 billion revenue a year to US Treasury  - not sufficient to repay US mammoth public debt of US$37 trillion.


b. Genius Act - US Stablecoin

In fact this will be the killer - that is changing the way trade payment is made - not through SWIFT US$ for trade payment and remittance - but using US StableCoin (programming code) to exchange for foreign countries cold hard cash for trade settlement and remittance.

(The U.S. dollar has for years been the world's reserve currency of choice, but that reputation was thrown into question earlier this year when foreign investors appeared to be pulling out of the U.S. Treasury bonds market. 

The country's Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has indicated that he thinks stablecoins will boost the appeal of Treasuries.)


My close friend comments:-

Kanye West's YZY Token Collapses 65% After Insiders Control 94% Supply https://share.google/EAagRSSMZDvBo9XIh 

Another token collapsing. Many ways to manipulate...

I just googled Stablecoin collapse, wah! A lot ah. Stablecoin may be the next global scam.

A super scam to write off their 37T debt, scotch free.


My comments:-

Yes.

That's why crypto token, Stablecoin issuers very risky.

They try to exchange hard cash with investors.

And then collapse running away with investors cash.

Trump did that and earn hundred of millions of investors' money.

A few crypto and Stablecoin issuers also did that.

That's why we need to setup our Stablecoin to 对冲 with US Stablecoin.

Cannot use our S$ as trade payment with them.

Too dangerous.


Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 2:53 pm]

I think one reason is there's too many people in Singapore that's why not enough job

Adam, [25/8/2025 2:53 pm]

Omg why you bring crypto into this

YKC, [25/8/2025 2:55 pm]

It is important for the Fresh grad to start and start on right foot. Instead of 躺平 or do something irrelevant to their study, they get a job, and hopefully gain the momentum.

YKC, [25/8/2025 2:55 pm]

Dear Contributors,

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on the Government’s approach to supporting fresh graduates in the job market? What more can be done to support fresh graduates in the job market?

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

Do also share your opinion by participating in our polls! The poll questions are pinned for easy reference, and your vote is anonymous.

Thank you!

Megan 😊


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 2:56 pm]

1. Companies worldwide are pulling their stop in employing fresh graduates and even firing entry level workers.

These phenomenon affect countries like US, UK, EU, China and many other developed Countries.

In fact youth unemployment in China is 17.8%.

Some unemployed youth have to pay office staycation - to "pretend to work" - to ensure mental balance.


Adam, [25/8/2025 2:57 pm]

Do you have any idea how many hopeful grads work outside their degree? 

I think moe and mom need to have a long long talk on what the job market needs and whether we are training the future for it

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 2:58 pm]

Some field are actually very narrow


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 2:58 pm]

"Job seekers ‘can’t rely’ on the usual tactics, HR expert says: ‘We’re in a market we’ve never been in before’" - US.

 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/21/job-seekers-are-in-survival-mode-hr-expert-says.html#:~:text=Job%20seekers%20%E2%80%98can%E2%80%99t%20rely%E2%80%99%20on%20the%20usual%20tactics%2C%20HR%20expert%20says%3A%20%E2%80%98We%E2%80%99re%20in%20a%20market%20we%E2%80%99ve%20never%20been%20in%20before%E2%80%99


Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 2:59 pm]

Passion is one of it and job market that give a preference is another


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:00 pm]

"US tariffs threaten millions of jobs in India’s textile sector as American buyers pull orders".

 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/us-tariffs-threaten-millions-of-jobs-in-indias-textile-sector-as-manufacturers-look-for-new-clients#:~:text=US%20tariffs%20threaten%20millions%20of%20jobs%20in%20India%E2%80%99s%20textile%20sector%20as%20American%20buyers%20pull%20orders


Adam, [25/8/2025 3:01 pm]

Good luck to all grads. We now have ai hr looking at ai resume. People who do things properly will die


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:01 pm]

"China's unemployed young adults who are pretending to have jobs"

 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdd3ep76g3go?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D#:~:text=at%20any%20time-,China%27s%20unemployed%20young%20adults%20who%20are%20pretending%20to%20have%20jobs,-Sylvia%20Chang%20%2D%20BBC


YKC, [25/8/2025 3:02 pm]

Understand and agree we can't help all. The market is changing very fast and hard to predict.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:03 pm]

Maybe this is a good time to introduce ns for women. Halve the pool of labour entering the market for 2 years and guaranteed work with allowance too.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:03 pm]

Reduce supply of fresh grad will make employment shoot up

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:10 pm]

New grads are not having a good in finding jobs for the next few years. This is happening all over the world. It is important that we have a stop gap measure to address the problem. Having gov to pick up the slack is a good step. It will help new grads. As employment situation improve, they can move to private sector.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:11 pm]

Even existing workers are not having a good time now. A lot of restructuring to match new tech and new biz climate.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:13 pm]

One good thing about Singapore is even if our workforce is expensive (compared to other countries), MNCs are still staying in Sg. Singapore has its own magnets to make these companies have a substantial presence in Singapore.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:13 pm]

Yeah i keep saying the gov needs to have an overarching long term plans and solutions. Would the pap of early years give handouts to build singapore? We cant keep doing stuff like gst voucher for inflation. Traineeship for job.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:14 pm]

1. My close friend has rightly pointed out that GRIT is a stop-gap measure. There is a need to look into the deeper economic structure, transform, revamp and make our Economy sesimic proof - in the onslaught of the tariff challenges, the Stablecoin challenges as well as the AI disruptor that have great impact to our fresh graduates jobs and even the current workforce.


2. I concur with my close friend views, and I am console that the Economic Resiliency taskforce - if I am not wrong - is looking seriously into such transformation - even though little information are coming out from it - because the global scene is still dynamic and evolving very quickly.


3. Hence there is a need to have a temporary stop gap measure to ensure that this current batch of IHL graduates are able to secure a useful jobs - even traineeship programme with the private sectors as well as with the Government - to build up experience - and when our Economy is successfuly transformed or/& when the Economy pick up - the trainees will be converted into permanent staff and become useful to the organisations offering this GRIT traineeship.


4. Notably, 2,400 jobs are government permanent jobs under GRIT@Gov - as this is a recruitment annual norm for the Governmnet.

Whereas 800 are traineeship programme with the private sectors - in which I feel, this will be a jumping board for participating companies to eventually engage majority of these trainees upon completion of the traineeship programme.


Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:15 pm]

I would say the long term plan is to make the workforce agile. Be able to move with the market. It's not easy as you get older. At 50+, I still have to learn new tech. It's a never ending story.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:17 pm]

I know there is already an existing scheme under mas where people can switch into banking and this is partly paid by gov. I dont know how many people can participate. And I have seen some people actually managed to convert to permanent position.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:17 pm]

We cannot have an agile workforce in singapore just like we cannot have an agile housing. Imagine ideal agile world. You can switch housing quickly to be closer to workplace. But currently with mop and loans and approvals  being a pain its impossible.

I agree it could be one ideal but reality is hard.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:18 pm]

I would say it's partly luck as well. If the bank happens to have a position and the person is there and proven capable, he will be converted.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:18 pm]

But yeah overall, we can help alleviate job concerns with a lot of stuff like helping with housing and col situation. Make singapore more attractive to work in

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:20 pm]

With the job market, there is too much luck involved. Companies keeps their processes too closed to avoid liability. I wonder if anything can be done but doubt the gov will do something less biz friendly

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:21 pm]

Im pretty sure companies are also doing ghost listing and hidden processes so they can do internal hires or pull from abroad

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:22 pm]

If luck is a % chance then some grads will have 0% getting job in their dream company they spent a day writing resume for

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:22 pm]

I cannot say about other gov agencies. When I was in GovTech, the agency actually made it mandatory for people to achieve certain certifications. These are well sought after certs. It makes people more marketable.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:24 pm]

Hiring process is not that simple. If there is a position available, that position will be posted out. Internal transfer is not that easy. I have seen it twice where it is actually people from outside who got hired instead of internal transfer.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:25 pm]

But with all the marketable skills in the world, what makes us so unattractive? Isnt nus and ntu ranked highly? Is there a gap we are missing? The gov can skillsfuture and upskill and so and so make a perfect candidate. But then where is job?

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:25 pm]

Well respected companies will do proper hiring practice.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:26 pm]

This might be a stopgap, but the trend is already there. The trend is being ignored. We cannot simply help the fresh grads while ignoring the bigger picture

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:27 pm]

One of my son's friend got internship in a company and was paid 4k. This is NUS student.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:27 pm]

what you study matters.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:28 pm]

NUS grad and major in philosophy. I am not sure about his employability.

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:29 pm]

Gov is doing what it can to make singapore an attractive destination for MNC.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:31 pm]

I hope so. But not just an attractive destination for mncs to base, but also attractive to hire local singaporeans

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:32 pm]

We can pull lots of mncs but can we make them hire our citizens?

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:32 pm]

two weeks ago I met an american, son of a friend's sister. He is a Harvard graduate with 2 years working experience. He is trying to find a career in Singapore because he finds Singapore an attractive place to build his career. He was in one of the big US bank before.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:34 pm]

Wah american might be hard. Wont he get double income taxed?


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:35 pm]

1. Next I want to dwell into the what difficulties the fresh graduates face in the current market so that we can know the depth of the job market problem for freshie :-

a. Graduates resumes run into hundreds when send to any companies - and it is too voluminous for the HR to sieve through the resumes and invite graduates for interview.

Hence, even good graduates will miss the chance of a face-to-face interviews -- which explain why fresh graduates can send hundreds of resumes out to many companies but no reply, and no chance for a face-to-face interview.


b. Even if fresh graduates are invited for interviews, there are too many round of interviews 3 even to 9 according to a news article.

The hiring process is too daunting and not pleasant.


c. A good many CEOs make the mistake that AI can replace many entry level jobs. MIT do a research and discover that 95% of the CEOs that do it are facing a big backlash as using AI to replace entry level jobs introduce too many hidden bugs and causing systems to fail.

In fact many big tech such as Amazon, Microsoft etc are discovering this problem.

Cisco and some other big tech are holding fort that entry level workers and fresh graduates are needed and AI is merely a productivity tools like computer and internet. AI cannot be totally replacing fresh graduates and entry-level staff.


d. I will use my nephew and nieces experience as fresh graduates in securing jobs through internship, housemanship to illustrate.

Initially, many cannot secure permanent jobs, even with those companies they have internships with.

However after I express my anxieties in REACH and with the Government announcing GRIT traineeship programmes, many companies change their minds.

Some of my nephew and nieces' companies offer permanent jobs after their internships.

Some offer scholarships to PHd.

Some are still in housemanship.

So I felt that the Government GRIT traineeship programme is a good catalyst as an indicator of confidence to encourage Companies to offer jobs to fresh graduates despite the seismic geopolitical challenges and AI disruptor compounding the hiring scene.


e. Hence I support the Government GRIT traineeship programme.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:36 pm]

My close friend comments:-

There are traditionally jobs that required "traineeship" eg medicine/dentistry, law and in the past teaching profession. 

But teaching profession has changed. Management trainee positions are also a form of traineeship programs. 

Then it backs the question, what areas would benefit from this vis-a vis providing grants to swaddle fresh grads for another 6 months.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:39 pm]

"MIT survey that put a number on what so many people seem to be feeling: a whopping 95% of generative AI pilots at companies are failing."

 https://fortune.com/2025/08/24/is-ai-a-bubble-market-crash-gary-marcus-openai-gpt5/#:~:text=MIT%20survey%20that%20put%20a%20number%20on%20what%20so%20many%20people%20seem%20to%20be%20feeling%3A%20a%20whopping%2095%25%20of%20generative%20AI%20pilots%20at%20companies%20are%20failing.


Adam, [25/8/2025 3:39 pm]

If im not wrong, these programs early in the career of these fields are intense and unhealthy. May be somewhat exploitative too. I hope these things wont be extended to the rest of the workforce. I think if more young adult in their prime have to do it for lesser jobs we will be having crisis ranging from tfr to health


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:40 pm]

Cisco CEO: I don’t use AI to cut jobs, I just want our engineers to ... be more productive and innovate faster. - The Times of India

 https://share.google/MrfzXaFr40Tb0lZZE


365, [25/8/2025 3:40 pm]

Maybe it's a loud minority from nus/ntu who expected their certs to carry them and worked on nothing else?

I graduated from private uni, didn't really receive any assistance in job application or interview guidance. I had to look up online on how to approach interviews, and studied how to craft my resume on my own accord, then landed a job.

Cannot be everything go back and blame uni/gov. This is a consequence of the government spoonfeeding too much that even at this age where they should be responsible for their own lives, still want external help.

Why never mention those from nus/ntu that managed to get stellar jobs and positions instead? Or are we sure that there's none of them?

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:41 pm]

Perhaps it could be one of the flaw of our uni education system. If they got a degree, why arent they prepared to enter.

Whats the value of a cert if still need extra spoonfeed


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:42 pm]

I think current job situation different from last time.

External factors impacting.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:43 pm]

Previously all those who take internship will mostly get the permanent jobs.

Now many companies hold back recruitment.


Adam, [25/8/2025 3:43 pm]

But times are hard and looks desperate.  If the gov thought that sending every fresh grad for a jobhunt skillsfuture will work, they would have done it

365, [25/8/2025 3:43 pm]

Value of a cert is just to show you have knowledge of the curriculum taught. It's a bonus for job hunting, not a ticket.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:44 pm]

So yeah mayyybe grads are coddled, but i think teaching them the ways of the jobhunt will help them land one

Hanny, [25/8/2025 3:44 pm]

Someone told me that hongkongers are more resilient than singaporeans. I guess it might be due to the fact that hongkongers cannot rely on the gov to help them.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:44 pm]

My close friend comments:-

Areas which traineeship can provide are emerging sectors where perhaps the IHL had not adjusted it's curriculum to embrace the new era but sg has to jump in to seize the opportunity and stay ahead. 

I would think AI is one of the areas. 

There is probably too much hype and overpromising now yet we should not wait to embrace. 

Well defined sectors like accountancy/audit for example can go with the normal route - big 4 and accounting/audit firms can offer year 2 - year 3 internships and identify their catch and give provisional job offers before they graduate.

Management and leadership traineeship programs are invaluable. 

Not all "A" grade graduates can make it, because senior and leadership positions require a lot more about the person than just knowledge.


365, [25/8/2025 3:47 pm]

I don't know if this is the expectation we should follow down the road. The more we push responsibilities on the government to teach and help everything, the more coddled the future generations will be.

Why is it that in both local and private uni, prestigious and non-prestigious, there are graduates who land stellar jobs, average jobs, or are jobless. 

But we always focus on those who are jobless, and think that it's an institutional issue instead of an individual one?

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:47 pm]

Is the gov really funding and encouraging trainees for leadership and upper management? Its only significant if theres internal sttuctured programs. You cant do a management skillfuture

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:50 pm]

The grads are already doing their best. I heard most of them are doing multiple internships and some even on top while studying. You want the to do even more internship?

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:51 pm]

They probably worked many times harder to earn their credentials than decade ago and are many times more productive. So why is everyone struggling?


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:53 pm]

Next I want to briefly touch on why US Stablecoin is more adversely impactful on our financial system than the tariff challenges that impact our trade and affect our jobs.

Simply the Maga Lago accord intent is to make the whole world pay for US public debt of US$37 trillion.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 3:53 pm]

心法, [20/8/2025 9:21 pm]

1. So to counter Trump's stablecoin and prevent a similar Soro type of speculative attack on our S$ (as stablecoin is a financial asset that can also be traded in future contracts) ---- Singapore need to come out with another measure.

2. Singapore need to issue a S$-StableCoin for trade payment in US trade to do hedging.

(Stablecoin 对冲).

S$ Stablecoin to US$ Stablecoin - program code to program code exchange.

3. We cannot use our $S hard currency to exchange for US stablecoin in trade payment.

Else we lose our S$ in exchange for strings of program codes (Stablecoin) a useless assets - if issuers default or de-couple from its US bonds or currency.

4. The establishment of $S-StableCoin can come under an Act call "Divine Act" driven by MAS.


心法, [21/8/2025 4:05 am]

[21/08, 2:38 am] ☸️  Danny 心: "GENIUS Act was signed into law one month ago. What did it change?"

https://crypto.news/genius-one-month-what-is-the-impact/#:~:text=GENIUS%20Act%20was%20signed%20into%20law%20one%20month%20ago.%20What%20did%20it%20change%3F


[21/08, 4:04 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Take note of the intent of Stablecoin under the Genius Act:-

1. Stablecoins really have the potential to ensure American dollar dominance internationally, to increase the usage of the U.S. dollar digitally as the world’s reserve currency, and in the process create potentially trillions of dollars of demand for U.S. treasuries.” 

2. The growing popularity of USD-pegged stablecoins across the world facilitates an indirect demand for the U.S. dollar and the U.S. Treasury bills. Especially given that the GENIUS Act requires stablecoin issuers to back their supply and make each token redeemable.

3. Thus, stablecoin issuers stimulate the buy pressure on USD and keep these dollars to back their supply instead of selling them, while people will keep on using stablecoins not only to dodge sanctions or buy illicit goods, but simply because individuals and institutions find paying in stablecoins is easy.


心法, [21/8/2025 3:52 pm]

[21/08, 1:42 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The impact of tariffs very widespread and cover many sectors in US.

I read some articles that say, US can collect about $600 billion dollars in tariffs in total per year.

But unable to cover the huge public debt of $37 trillion.

Republican party suggest giving 350 million Americans with tariff rebate of $600.

But evidently not enough to cover the debt of $37 trillion, how to give tariff rebate?

With high inflation due to tariff $600 per Americans also not enough to cover their high cost of living.

Hence Trump think of using Stablecoin to suck the world hard cold cash through trade to finance its $37 trillion debt.

So be very careful, don't fall into its Soro trap. Soro hedge fund use currency exchange rates through future trading of financial assets to steal the hard cold cash of targeted countries currencies.

Hence after discussion with my son, I propose setting up S$-StableCoin.

To 对冲 for trade payment to protect our hard cold S$.


[21/08, 1:50 pm] Close friend: Like during Japanese occupation, Japanese introduce banana notes. People rather hoard food and items refuse to sell.

[21/08, 1:50 pm] Close friend: US trying to change the currency.


[21/08, 1:52 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Yes.

Exactly like Japan banana money.

This time we use program code to replace banana money to exchange with US Stablecoin banana money.

Don't use our S$ hard earned cold money to exchange.

Else they steal all our hard earned money away.


[21/08, 1:54 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This notion come to my mind when my son drop hint to me - when he relate how Soro use currency exchange rate and future trading to steal our money.

That's why it spur me to think of setting up S$-StableCoin banana money for trade payment and preserve our $S.

That is US pay our exporters with US Stablecoin.

We pay US exporters with S$-StableCoin not S$.

Else if US default on their Stablecoin, we only left with program code and no US$.

But US will possess our hard cold S$ if we use Sing currency to pay US exporters instead of S$-StableCoin.


365, [25/8/2025 3:55 pm]

Who is "everyone"? Is there no one within the cohort who managed to do well? Multiple internships sure, but how well did they fare during the internships? How did the organization assess them?

On the other hand, I've also heard of graduates rejecting jobs due to different reasons. Not only pay, some due to distance, work hours, culture, not enough benefits, etc. So we are working with both ends of the spectrum here, but which is the one that always makes the news?

I think there is a selection bias in the situations of graduates in news media.

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:58 pm]

I thought there has always been a bias toward seeing good outcomes because people want to save face. Especially in ges. If we are seeing more bad either people are more open on talking about failures or things are serious

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:59 pm]

Since the gov is actively adressing it instead of monitoring the situation, im pretty sure the situation isnt too good

Adam, [25/8/2025 3:59 pm]

Since the gov is actively adressing it instead of monitoring the situation, im pretty sure the situation isnt too good


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:00 pm]

1. Eg. US importers pay our exporters US Stablecoin instead of US$.

2. Our importers pay US exporters S$ cash.

3. When this happens, Singapore is laden with US Stablecoin and US will get all S$ cash.

4. If US Stablecoin issuers default, the US Stablecoin we hold become worthless.

5. But if we set up S$-StableCoin, instead of using S$ cash, our importers pay US exporters S$-Stablecoin and not S$ cash.

6. So if US Stablecoin issuers default, we don't lose our S$ cash but still hold on to their worthless US Stablecoin while their exporters hold on to our S$-Stablecoin.

7. Then what happens to our exporters, the holder of US Stablecoin? And what happens to US exporters holding our S$-StableCoin?

8. Very easy, we will exchange the US Stablecoin with their exporters who hold our S$-StableCoin - if our exporters can't convert US Stablecoin into US $ cash. US exporters holding their US Stablecoin will chase their Stablecoin issuers for US$ cash dollar for dollar. If default, US government will solve their problem with their exporters and Stablecoin issuers - and it is non of our business.

9. But for our exporters who now hold S$-StableCoin our government or issuers will convert it to S$ cash - $1 for $1.

10. Hence we preserve our S$ wealth - and not stolen by US Stablecoin issuers who default with the useless digital programming code.


Adam, [25/8/2025 4:00 pm]

I hope the gov wont say all jobs are good jobs like how all schools are good or all hdb is choice

365, [25/8/2025 4:01 pm]

I think this holds true in the past, but the culture has shifted already.

And as much as I appreciate the government for what they are doing, it is still politics in the end and they will take action for what may earn them more votes.

I'm not sure if you'd agree, but I graduated and found a job when covid started, and I don't think that classifies as a good job market.

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:02 pm]

If i was offered a flat in choa chu kang ill also reject and hope for a better flat near my workplace or parents. Unless the price is too good of course

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:02 pm]

Same for jobs. Have to reject if not good enough

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:03 pm]

Gov cannot spam low quality jobs. Every singaporean can find a job if willing to be grab driver

365, [25/8/2025 4:04 pm]

They are free to reject, but it is also a choice they made. There is no guarantee of a next job offer, so it's a risk they are taking.

It unemployment risk worth the prospect of a better job? Up to each individual to decide.

For some, if travel > 1hr is considered low quality.

There's a lot of individual preferences built into this, so the data is not always that great.

REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 4:05 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:05 pm]

Yeah is a tough decision. Some people argue that getting a bad first job is worse than a few months of unemployment for long term career


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:06 pm]

心法:

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[22/08, 3:37 pm] Close friend: We buy US stuff using stable coins. But because we are experiencing trade deficit with US, we have to hold more stable coins. In that sense, sg 白白 buy/hold computer generated codes. And there are ways to pump up prices of stable coins so we may end up paying and paying.


[22/08, 3:42 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Hmm....

That's why we need to study the mechanism in details.

Most important we need to try to maintain a balance payment equilibrium or surplus with US.

Because even though our trade with US is in deficit, our service with US is in surplus.

Thus we will ensure we have a advantage when trading with US whether in goods and services.

With S$-StableCoin, we can ensure our S$ cash is not suck away - that is our defence mechanism is in place already - just need to tweak our trade in goods and services accordingly.

If Singapore don't issue our Stablecoin, we completely lose out whether we are in trade surplus or deficit.

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[22/08, 7:48 pm] Close friend: We don't have strong manufacturing. Balance trade is not a target. Eg. Defence expenditure enough to tip the balance. Can't be trying to buy different weaponry from different countries. Soldiers pilot should be very familiar with their gadgets. Cannot anyhow today train in US jet. Tmr fly Germany's. Furthermore got integration problem with central control and radar systems.

[22/08, 7:49 pm] Close friend: Consumer products, where cheap buy from there.


[22/08, 7:49 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: That's true.

That's why got to plan properly.

We may have some disadvantage because we have trade deficit with US and got to keep more US Stablecoin.

But the risk is make smaller.


[22/08, 7:50 pm] Close friend: IT products pay MS, oracle licensing pay until xiao.


[22/08, 7:51 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: True.

That's why got to layout everything and then allocate accordingly.

Eg. Big finance from US come to our financial hub through swift.


[22/08, 7:53 pm] Close friend: Pharm products got patent still have to buy from country of origin such as US. Generic drugs then can buy from cheaper source.


[22/08, 7:53 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Hmm...

That's true.


[22/08, 7:56 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Our trade deficit with US is US$28.4 billion.


[22/08, 7:57 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: But total trade is US$131 billion - so very big amount.


[22/08, 8:04 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: That is US$28.4 billion is at risk to US Stablecoin because we have deficit with US but safeguarded (US$131 billion - US$28.4 billion) = US$102 billion with our S$-StableCoin.


[22/08, 8:52 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: US FDI investment in Singapore is $424.21 billion in 2023.

I think we are quite safe even though our trade deficit with US is US$28.4 billion.


[22/08, 9:47 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: That means US MNCs in Singapore will have to remit its money or profit back to US using US Stablecoin.

This will further reduce our trade deficit exposure of US$28.4 billion. 

Because assume US MNCs profit is 10% annually, that will be US$42.42 billion and can offset our trade deficit of US$28.4 billion when transmit from Singapore banks to US banks using US Stablecoin.

So I think as long as we have S$-StableCoin, we are relatively safe.

Our risk exposure to US Stablecoin is greatly reduced when hedge against them using our S$-StableCoin.


Adam, [25/8/2025 4:06 pm]

You should ask your close friend to join reach tele


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:08 pm]

My close friend has been asked to join Whatsapp REACH and telegram REACH - but prefer to remain anonymous.

Anyway our backend conversation has generated many insightful thoughts that have great impact to our country.


365, [25/8/2025 4:08 pm]

Another example is some feel that 5k per month is too low of a salary so they reject. It's their choice.

I feel maybe there can be a survey to find out what Singaporeans (or graduates) are willing to accept on average.

Expectations mismatch could be another issue. While market is indeed tough now, there's another factor that employers and prospective employees have different expectations.

If this mismatch of expectations continue, I think there will be no long-term solution.

Understand the root cause first.

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:10 pm]

I wonder if future salary will be pegged to traineeship pay. Will employers hesitate to double the trainee from 2.5k to 5k when become full time? Im not sure if the traineeship will even have jobs in fields with median or above salary

365, [25/8/2025 4:13 pm]

Median currently is sitting around 5k for all employed. So I doubt most grads come out can reach 5k straightaway, only the ones who really excel. I have a friend who hit near 10k just the 2nd year after he graduated, and I am lagging far behind.

Not bitter, but this is where I really believe in merits. Not just uni certs, he actually went and look for the requirements in the job listing, and trained himself for it before applying, so he got it.

365, [25/8/2025 4:14 pm]

I can admit it's my own decision to not work as hard as he did for it, so I'm not getting that kind of pay.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:14 pm]

[22/08, 1:08 pm] Close friend: Just last year, fresh grads complaining $4000 too little, some openly wishing for $10k...


[22/08, 1:11 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Yes.

I still recall.

The economy turn for the worst very suddenly when Trump announced his tariffs against the world.

The global economy suddenly turn for the worst.


Adam, [25/8/2025 4:15 pm]

Im not sure what jobs there are out there exactly but heard lots of high pay early career work their employees to the bone. I am kinda fortunate to find a pretty sweet spot with nice flexibility and benefits while also well paid

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:16 pm]

The hope is that eventually the high early pay will translate to high future pay with less workload

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 4:16 pm]

My own experience, getting a lower paying job could be a step to a better one.

E.g. i joined as an outsourced vendor with lower than average pay. Did well and abit of luck that the client company had opening to offer me

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:16 pm]

But thats another gamble jobhunters have to take.

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 4:18 pm]

To me, having a job with lower pay is better than jobless. No income, cannot do anything.

Plus being in a job, can help network with possible employers and give applicants something to elaborate during new job interview

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 4:20 pm]

Need to get out of the house and earn their keep instead of depending on others.

Who knows, might meet their potential spouse during their temp work

365, [25/8/2025 4:20 pm]

I agree, which is why I suspect there might be an expectation mismatch.

And honestly I'd like to be proven wrong on this.

365, [25/8/2025 4:22 pm]

Good job > bad job > no job

You have a choice to reject a bad job, but that does not guarantee a good job afterwards.

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:26 pm]

Some grads choose to do further studies to ride out bad market but now dunno if masters cert will be worth

Khai Mun L., [25/8/2025 4:27 pm]

Yup, that's a possibility. It's a risk they have to take.

Plus further study would need money,  where would it get it from?

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:28 pm]

There might be a rich poor divide too. Despo grads have to accept first offer. If got rich parents support and no debt, they can spend more time applying

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:29 pm]

Wait, middle class parents will support. Truly rich ones have lobang for guarenteed spot

Adam, [25/8/2025 4:31 pm]

Sometimes feel all the feel good vibes of people saying they think they and their peers have it good in job market. They are from fortunate backgrounds

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:39 pm]

Agree my friend have been jobless since her contract ends for a year already

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:41 pm]

She has been going interviews and interviews to try to secure a job

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:41 pm]

Now she just stick with part time


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:50 pm]

"I'm a high-school student who wants to be a coder. I'm betting some of my peers will rely too much on AI."

He is absolutely right, vibe code from AI cannot replace a knowledge programmer who have solid foundation of the coding fundamentals.

AI can solve one thing and break another in a complex system.

A person solely relying on AI without strong foundation in computer science will be of no value compared to a knowledgeable computer science graduates who can solve AI mistakes and hallucinations and fixed them.

https://www.businessinsider.com/high-school-student-coder-despite-ai-2025-8#:~:text=I%27m%20a%20high%2Dschool%20student%20who%20wants%20to%20be%20a%20coder.%20I%27m%20betting%20some%20of%20my%20peers%20will%20rely%20too%20much%20on%20AI.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:51 pm]

"China’s youth unemployment hits 11-month high as army of graduates joins job hunt.

China’s youth unemployment hit 17.8 per cent in July, the figure’s highest level since August 2024, as millions of degree holders seek work".

China youth unemployment much more serious than Singapore.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/3322347/chinas-youth-unemployment-hits-11-month-high-army-graduates-joins-job-hunt#:~:text=China%E2%80%99s%20youth%20unemployment,holders%20seek%20work


Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:55 pm]

Maybe gov should not only consider job option but open another route through entrepreneurship


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 4:56 pm]

Just to close the loops on MRT/ DC discussion in previous topics.


心法:

1. Yes you are right.

2. The actual configurations for most primary and backup data centres nowadays are active-active - both DCs taking in network traffic in parallel.

3. My illustration of failover from primary to secondary - is to depict a network traffic flow from a user standpoint (also mimicking a MRT commuter action if a MRT line is down, walkover to another working line) - akin to a web user traffic path if a network hit is down - hence the term "failover" is used

4. But in actual fact, both DCs are operating in an active-active mode. Not active-passive, that need to bring up the backup DC if primary fail. This is the older design.

5. New design is active-active, both DCs sharing traffic load.

6. But in the context of Global Data Centres whereby there are a few DCs operating in various continents, usually priority is for users in the respective continent to hit its network traffic locally rather than accessing another continent's active DCs.

7. Reason being, the routing cost will be very high if accessing other continents' DCs rather than local DC.

Also response time will be much slower as it go round the trip across the globe rather than a very short distance for local DC.

Local data are stored in overseas DCs servers, storage and backup if accessing foreign DCs network system in which some companies want their data to be stored locally and not overseas servers and storage.

8. Hence techniques such as primary DNS to resolve URL are point to local DC rather than overseas DCs, tweaking the route metric, prioritise local traffic to local DC, caching etc.

9. Only when local DC is down, will the GLB 3DNS resolve the URL to overseas DCs.

10. Hence even though primary and secondary DCs are configured as active-active, all local hit will be directed to local DC.

Only when local DC fails, will then local traffic be "failover to secondary DCs in other continents".

Hence "failover" is used in this scenario giving the impression that active-backup configuration is used - which in fact all DCs are configured as active-active.

But a global multiple active-active DCs need to operate this way - that is local traffic go to local DC.

11. As for the uptime requirements of DC 99.99%.

12. Depending on how to specify failure.

13. Rightfully it should be measured as service availability to customers.

14. If measured by components failure, then the absolute uptime should be very low because everyday yellow icons are bound to have.

15. Red icons happen once in a while due to fault and bugs occur in various hardware, software and supporting devices. 

Definitely not once every year. It will be a myth, a fairy tale.

16. But because of full redundancy built-in, IT services to customers are not impacted - hence can uphold the service level agreement of 99.99% DC service availability.


Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:56 pm]

Let the graduates start opening companies at a very low cost

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:56 pm]

Try and error

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 4:57 pm]

As now nobody can afford a failure

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 5:07 pm]

In this way you create job along the way

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 5:09 pm]

Like a mall for startup

Jun Ming, [25/8/2025 5:12 pm]

Then rental maybe as low as 1k. So sgt brands got chance to shine


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 5:20 pm]

My close friend comments:-

All said, we have to brace ourselves for the worst case scenario, high unemployment not just for fresh grads. GRIT is not the cure but can help to alleviate some pain points.

Before asian financial crisis in late 90s, those around me were still partying and making big purchases with loans. 

Lehman's brothers collapse, those around me asked why I'm worrying and very shortly the domino effect hit everyone and become a global financial tsunami. 

In fact, I'm quite pessimistic this round, just quietly hoping I would be wrong. 

If everything turn out well, then just withdraw the program.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 5:38 pm]

1. Trump trade tariff - immediate impact is on trade reduction, manufacturing fall, business fall, job cuts. US tariff revenue is US$600 billion - a dwarf, child-play compare to its annual deficit US$3 - 5 trillion and US$37 trillion public debt.


2. Trump US Stablecoin - is a medium and long term goal - targeting at the global finances (in fact, this is the "real killer").

It aim to "print money", "quantitative easing" - that leverage on its trade advantage to force global exporters, global investors - to exchange their hard earned cold cash with the useless assets programming code (Stablecoin) - to help US finance and pay their mammoth US public debt of US$37 trillion.


3. If we don't have counter measures - and still continue to use our traditional bank financial system aka S$ hard cold cash to do trade payment and investor remittance - not long after we will be laden with US Stablecoin (useless assets - programming code - that can be defaulted) and our $S all ended up in the coffer of the US Treasury.

This is the "Killer".


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 5:38 pm]

That's we can suddenly go bankrupt.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 5:43 pm]

1. Read how Soro currency speculative attack Country by Country - bring down UK financial system in less than 4 months using exchange rate through future trading.

Mexico financial system.

And the Asian financial crisis that bring down Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.


2. Previously, 1 pound = S$3.5.

Now, 1 pound = S$1.73


1 ringgit = S$1

Now, 3.28 ringgit = S$1


3. So our currency can plummet if US StableCoin come into effect -- if we don't prepare a counter measure.


Moses Kor kwang loong, [25/8/2025 6:20 pm]

Of course if government funded fresh graduates,will be more happy than ever

But if our ruling government can support private security industry and that'll be best


LCL (Danny 心), [25/8/2025 6:45 pm]

Channel 8 news, DPM Gan Kim Yong say government not only looking at jobs.          

But also looking into Economic Restructuring and Resiliency by the taskforce —— in ensuring our business are resilient and jobs are secured for our workforce.                  

This confirm our understanding that the GRIT traineeship programme is indeed a temporary stop-gap measure.    

More lasting and resilient measures are evolving to ensure our business and jobs are resilient-proof.


REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 6:46 pm]

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REACH Singapore, [25/8/2025 6:59 pm]
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Monday, August 18, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 90 - What are your views on the Prime Minister’s National Day Rally Speech 2025? What resonated most with you?

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REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 10:01 am]

📢 Topic 📢

NATIONAL DAY RALLY 2025

In Prime Minister Lawrence Wong’s National Day Rally speech on Aug 17, he called on Singaporeans to unite and write the nation's next chapter together.

In his first National Day Rally after the general election, PM Wong outlined how his Government intends to address the challenges relating to the economy, senior citizens and the younger population.

💬 What are your views on the Prime Minister’s National Day Rally Speech 2025? What resonated most with you?

📌 New state-funded traineeship programme

A new traineeship programme will be launched for ITE, polytechnic and university graduates. Funded by the Government, it is aimed at addressing concerns about finding jobs amid the current economic uncertainties. During the pandemic, a traineeship programme co-funded by the authorities helped keep the graduates’ skills warm as they prepared for economic recovery. With fresh government support, companies can offer more training opportunities, and the new programme will be scaled up should the economy worsen. 

📌 Job matching by CDCs

A new job-matching initiative at the town level will be led by the Community Development Councils (CDCs). They are well placed to match job seekers with vacancies, especially those who prefer to work closer to home, said PM Wong.

📌 Enhancements to SkillsFuture Level Up

The Government will allow a portion of the training allowances to be claimed for part-time courses. It will also expand the course offerings. While most of the eligible courses are currently offered by institutes of higher learning, there will be more quality courses offered by industry leaders and private training providers. 

📌 New Age Well Neighbourhoods to support seniors

Age Well Neighbourhoods to support seniors will be built, starting with Toa Payoh and one or two HDB towns with a higher concentration of the elderly. These take the essential elements of Community Care Apartments, which are Housing Board flats that combine housing with care arrangements for seniors. Physical touchpoints, such as active ageing centres, will be made more accessible to seniors in these neighbourhoods. Home-based services such as simple home fixes and basic health checks will be expanded, with dedicated care staff visiting seniors regularly and being first responders in times of emergency.

📌 Tougher actions against vaping

Vaping will soon be tackled as a drug issue with much stiffer penalties. Jail sentences and more severe punishments will be meted out to those who sell vapes with harmful substances. Those addicted to vapes will be provided with supervision and rehabilitation to help them quit. A major public education drive will be mounted, starting in schools and the institutes of higher learning, and during national service. 

📌 Harnessing artificial intelligence effectively

Singapore will use artificial intelligence (AI) to raise productivity and create new value through every part of the economy. It will equip every enterprise, especially SMEs, to harness AI effectively and enhance competitiveness. It will also work closely with unions and workers to redesign jobs, and equip and empower workers. Teachers are also encouraged to use AI in creative ways to improve learning outcomes, and  to help their students be discerning and responsible users of technology who question, reflect and form their own judgments.

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 10:01 am]

📌 Strengthening online safety for children

The Government is studying ways to support parents in strengthening online safety for their children by looking at the experiences of countries which have passed laws to tighten internet and social media access for minors. PM Wong noted that many parents are worried that their children are spending too much time online, and may grow up more socially isolated, or be exposed to harmful content that affects their mental well-being. In this age of AI, what matters are human qualities that machines cannot replicate, such as character, values, empathy and a sense of purpose, he added. To emphasise this, more allied educators and teacher-counsellors are being deployed in schools, with greater emphasis being placed on character and citizenship education.

📌 More avenues for Singaporeans to contribute

More avenues will be created for Singaporeans to be heard and to get involved in shaping policy. Singapore must be a “we first” society, where everyone cares, contributes and looks out for one another, said PM Wong as he urged Singaporeans to strengthen their bonds, which will also help each one to thrive and flourish. 

📌 New Singapore College of Islamic Studies to have its own campus

The upcoming Singapore College of Islamic Studies (SCIS) will have its own campus next to the Singapore University of Social Sciences (SUSS) campus in Rochor. SCIS and SUSS will be housed in their own buildings, reflecting their unique identities and purpose. SCIS students will be able to take SUSS’ social science courses as part of their studies. Both institutions will also share facilities, ensuring that students from both institutions can better interact with one another and enrich their time on campus. 

📌 Future developments and coastal protection

The Woodlands Checkpoint will be made five times bigger. Flexible industrial spaces will be built around the Johor Bahru-Singapore Rapid Transit System Link station to support businesses seeking to take full advantage of the Johor-Singapore Special Economic Zone.  In addition, there will be spaces for new homes, making Woodlands a modern and vibrant regional centre. Kranji will become a new public housing estate for up to 14,000 homes, while new concepts for dining, shopping and housing are in the pipeline for Sembawang, with plans being formulated for its waterfront. 

Meanwhile, coastal protection will be enhanced around the island, such as the Long Island project for the south-eastern shorelines, and protection works around Changi Bay.

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/ndr2025-key-highlights-from-pm-wongs-national-day-rally

👉https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/National-Day-Rally-2025-Mandarin

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/ndr-2025-pm-wong-calls-on-sporeans-to-unite-write-nations-next-chapter-together?ref=ndr-2025

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Adam, [18/8/2025 10:09 am]

Please do not put children as an excuse for internet censorship. The world is moving towards more restriction, like UK online privacy act or chinas great firewall upgrades. Singapore shouldnt simply echo the rest of the world in this.

Singapore should advocate for a free internet, just like how we have free trade and shipping. Imagine a world will restrictive flow of ideas and information. Is singapore better off? Lots of datacenters and cables run through here.

If singapore doesnt advocate a free internet, its only a matter of time companies will pull away their usage of sg datacenters to accomodate for every countries laws.

Kai Bin, [18/8/2025 10:11 am]

I suggest that more education is needed to raise awareness about online safety and the harms it causes.

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:12 am]

I will actively advocate against anything that will make internet usage hard. I dont want face verification before visiting social media. UK is a laughing stock

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:23 am]

Yeah thats another aspect. Raising our young, their education should reflect the real world. With how big and fast moving the internet is, i wonder if they are taught how to handle it. Coddling them too much might make them more likely to be prey of love scams and hacks. Or maybe singaporeans will assume their nanny state will protect them if something afoul happens online or even overseas.

Children need to be taught the risks early and maybe more supervision in internet access. 

On parents side i think we also need to help them supervise their childs development. Often times they are too busy and just trust whatever the internet gives, maybe with the assumption the content is safe for children by throwing the responsibility to companies and government. We need parents to be reminded that they are responsible for their childs upbringing and they cant just push their childs protection to govt and corps. Somehow also support them to let them have more time in childraising so they wont have to let tiktok and youtube pacify their young.

365, [18/8/2025 10:26 am]

Classic parents not doing their parenting job and wanting the government to step in. There's already parental control measures, your child don't have the financial capabilities to get their own devices, you as a parent are enabling them and then complaining about their screen time or online exposure?

Parents really need to step up, learn how to say no to your kids, and do better parental control for their devices. You have the means to exert large control over what they are accessing.

365, [18/8/2025 10:27 am]

Apart from this online safety act, which I think is a negative as it can be a slippery slope to more unnecessary censorship, I'm generally neutral or positive for the other aspects of the rally.

365, [18/8/2025 10:28 am]

Singaporeans need to learn to be accountable for their own (and their child's) internet activities.

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:32 am]

Speaking of finances, the control mechanisms we have over credit card transactions is pretty insufficient. Lots of attackers randomly test numbers and might cause us to get fraud. This same weakness allows children to rack spending on their parents credit card unknowing of the consequences. Govt needs to work with banks to ensure transactions are authorized by the cardholder without making transations too hard. 

Right now my bank keeps blocking my card for online transactions i authorize. If we follow this path, starhub will block my connection to random websites even its its safe.

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:34 am]

I wonder how cards let children spend without mfa

365, [18/8/2025 10:35 am]

Cards are controlled by parents, they can set mfa requirement themselves, as well as transaction limit.

365, [18/8/2025 10:35 am]

I still belive it's a parenting issue, a good parent will not let their child easily access their credit card

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:35 am]

Nah some merchants dont require mfa. Idk why

365, [18/8/2025 10:37 am]

For online purchases, I've always encountered mfa requirement. The exception being if you're registered as a recurring payee, 1st time will require the mfa, then afterwards the mfa drop, but you will know when you're registering.

G, [18/8/2025 10:38 am]

Fully agree. When such data mining of minors happen, who's gonna be responsible for data leaks? 

How many children's faces and details will be up for sale on the child porn dark web market?

365, [18/8/2025 10:38 am]

Even without mfa, your child should not even have access to your credit card, there's also notifications you can set for brute force attempts. Sometimes I mistakenly type in wrong number and also get notified.

365, [18/8/2025 10:40 am]

My personal experience when I was a child, I've never known my parent's credit card details. It was only until I was capable and entrusted with co-managing finances that I get those details.

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:40 am]

Lol i dont even get notif if my own transation get declined

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:41 am]

Im assuming it happens so much banks dont want to scare us

365, [18/8/2025 10:41 am]

Should be able to set, some of these settings need to login via browser and cannot be done on the app.

365, [18/8/2025 10:43 am]

I set mine to be quite noisy, app notification + sms + email, but it's something I accept to make sure I'm on track for all my transactions.

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:44 am]

Yeah i set very strict. I get notif for anything above a cent. But somehow if the merchant, usually an online game is on some weird no go list card doesnt work and no notif

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:44 am]

One time i missed out on concert tickets because by card got blocked

Adam, [18/8/2025 10:44 am]

Then tickets sold out

365, [18/8/2025 10:45 am]

You might want to check with your bank and what can be done about it then, because personally I haven't experienced that, at least not after I have toggled all my settings.

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : I feel confident that the National Day Rally Speech 2025 addressed today's challenges while securing Singapore's future. ]

- Strongly Agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly Disagree

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : I am supportive of the announcements made during the National Day Rally Speech 2025. ]

- To a large extent

- To some extent

- To a small extent

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 11:04 am]

Unfortunately, not all parents are IT savvy, and will need assistance to protect their child(ren) online. Or some children might be protected, while some are not - this will defeat the parental controls setup. While more censorship is not ideal, and seems impossible, hope can have some form of assistance for online safety. Education is definitely important, but not sure how effective this can be.

Maybe these protection can be applied to elderly too. Especially in this era where AI-generated contents are getting more realistic. It is getting harder to discern whether it is AI-generated or real contents. Meta is also moving towards making AI Chatbots more humanistic.

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:05 am]

Lol i kinda agree that elderly need support in it education too

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:06 am]

Its hard but i wonder how we can reach them. At least children are forced to go to school

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:08 am]

I find it super annoying every time i call the bank, there is half a minute script telling me not to fall for scam. Or when i log in bank app, there is always a pop up. How can i opt out. Ive seen it a hundred times

365, [18/8/2025 11:11 am]

I believe in the education part, parents can receive information and assistance on how to implement these controls, but they have to be willing to learn.

It's very selfish to limit the access for all other users if they just want government intervention for their supposed duties.

I don't believe in "cannot learn because not IT savvy" it's just a matter of willingness to learn. Similar to an example I have previously brought up, there was resistance to cashless payments because "think of the elderly who don't know how to use it". But suddenly when DBS offer $3 cashback then magically they can learn and pick up on it, and claiming it faster than most people because they can use it in the morning compared to people who are rushing to office.

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:16 am]

Maybe we need a financial incentive then seniors can learn. Give cdc voucher for setting mfa and taking a course on scams

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:17 am]

Make them answer an mcq and do physical session so they dun just mark attendance

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:19 am]

With the millions lost through scams, i wonder if we will save money through this. I hope singapore becomes a highly unappealing target for scammers. We have the blessing of having too much easy cash to target

365, [18/8/2025 11:19 am]

I can see the effectiveness, but sometimes it feels so helpless and laughable that it takes financial incentives to learn how to better protect yourselves.

Adam, [18/8/2025 11:20 am]

Parents often give money to motivate young. Our gov loves taking the parental guidance approach

Daniel, [18/8/2025 11:20 am]

It's not that easy. When I was a kid (late 90s, early 00s) I circumvented any technical restriction my parents put in place. Now the technology has become a lot more complicated, and I obviously try to put controls and blocks in place for my kids, but I am well aware that that might not be sufficient when they get older.

CTO, [18/8/2025 11:25 am]

Some current issues r shy away in this NDR or kept under cold storage n hopefully many citizens kindly forget!

However, these issues r haunting us every minute!!

Issues like:

1) Cost of living

2) Mrt breakdowns 

3) Sg being a great place for SCAMs n nothing worth enough is forth-coming to saveguard citizens, from being the next victims.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 11:33 am]

1. I feel that the NDR 2025 rally has identified 8 major topics that have high impact to us.

2. Feel that one day discussion may not be able to effectively cover all topics in depth.

3. Breaking it up to 3 days to cover the 8 topics will provide participants to offer more in-depth discussion on each topic.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 11:44 am]

1. Fresh graduates traineeship programme come at a good time when IHL fresh graduates face pressure in securing jobs due to double whammy of:-

a. Geographical challenges

b. AI disruption


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 11:45 am]

At least the fresh graduates:-

1. Can find a traineeship jobs to train on the job.

2. Earn some income rather than no income.

3. Not demoralise (like China youth pay to pretend to work).

4. And hopefully companies can engage them as permanent staff after 6 month traineeships or/and when economy turn well.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 11:47 am]

But I hope this is a temporary measure not a permanent one.

Because it financially burden the government as it fund 80% per graduate (based on what I read), low pay for fresh graduates and demoralising to fresh graduates when in long term unable to secure a permanent job.

But a good interim measure when no companies eager to hire due to uncertainty.

I believe this measure last 6 months.


Adam, [18/8/2025 12:16 pm]

Personally, i have doubts over the traineeship. This is not a long term solution

Adam, [18/8/2025 12:19 pm]

The problem shouldve been known to be coming long time already. There isnt enough incentive to hire locals for high paying jobs. 

Already our cost of living so high due to landlords why set up shop here


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:21 pm]

But I think in the whole world, only Singapore is able to come up with the traineeship scheme to employ fresh graduates that have difficulties securing jobs due to the geopolitical challenges.

It is a good interim move - hoping that in long-term, job situation turn for the better.

Singapore is able to do so because of our very strong fiscal budget firepower.

Richer and bigger countries like China, USA, UK, Europe etc - have not been able to help fresh graduates secure a jobs.

Run into double digits unemployment for youth.


Adam, [18/8/2025 12:21 pm]

We cannot let companies suck our gov for benefits and throw away the employees once no more money

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:25 pm]

What are the differences between current work study programme and traineeship programme


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:25 pm]

When market turn for the better, companies will have a hard time keeping good staff.

A few years ago, companies have problem retaining good staff as big tech pull away good staff with very high pay during covid.


Adam, [18/8/2025 12:25 pm]

Because they rather pay more for new hire than increment and retention


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:26 pm]

Internship is for undergraduates.

Traineeship programme is for fresh graduates.


Adam, [18/8/2025 12:26 pm]

Hmm, why didnt gov even talk about layoff protection

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:26 pm]

Work study programme

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:27 pm]

Not internship

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:28 pm]

Both cater to graduates and certify them


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:29 pm]

Not familiar with this programme.

I only know of my niece and nephew housemanship for doctor and internship for lawyer.

My nephew has already graduated as lawyer - I think law associate or something like that.

My niece still in housemanship with a hospital.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:30 pm]

https://www.skillsfuture.gov.sg/workstudy


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:33 pm]

Too many topics to cover.

Next is AI.

1. I think government intending to embark in getting companies to deploy AI and ensure all workers use AI proficiently to improve innovation and productivity like the approach we embark on computerisation and internet is a good strategic move.

2. Government ensuring deploying AI with the emphasis of keeping jobs for every workers at the centre of what our government do is very reassuring.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:35 pm]

3. AI can really ensure a quantum jump in productivity and innovation at an unprecedented speed.

4. Looking at how our PM strong emphasis in AI to be infuse into every companies, every jobs - I am very sure Singapore will experience a quantum leap in innovation and productivity.

5. I think our upside to our economic growth as well as economic development will be phenomenal.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:39 pm]

6. With focus in AI couple with quantum computing - whereby contents provided supercharged by phenomenal computing power of quantum computing - I already see the tremendous upside ahead of us.

7. Hence we must do well in both AI and quantum computing.

8. And then exploiting quantum computing to maximise the potential of AI - it will be a quantum leap in practically every of our industrial sectors eg. R&D, Healthcare, engineering, IT, manufacturing, banking etc.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:39 pm]

I would say overall good support. But more questions needed to ask. 

1.)  trainee do they get paid. 

2.) are they considered working or studying


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:40 pm]

I think traineeship get paid.

Funded 80% by government, 20% by companies.

How much pay, not specified yet.


Adam, [18/8/2025 12:41 pm]

Ok AI is fantastic. Can make us do stuff 100000% faster. Lets make an assumption everyone in singapore use ai for job. 

The bus driver with ai can make bus move 10x faster and carry 10x more passenger. What will his pay bump be.

The coder writes 5x more code and makes 5x less mistake. Will his bonus increase.

The nsf can carry 100x more weight and shoot 10000x more bullet. Will we shorten ns?

Ai makes doctors 10x more efficient and operations 100x more safe. Will healthcare price decrease?

The only thing i see is Ai makes the company 1000x more profit and stocks go to the moon.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:41 pm]

Would like to wait for more details for avenues for Singaporean to contribute

Adam, [18/8/2025 12:42 pm]

With ai, the gov need to look into the effect on we can trickle down the effects to the rank and file instead of having all the effect concentrated by corporate greed

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 12:43 pm]

And how people rely on it. I hope this does not limit to dollar and cents


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 12:59 pm]

1. For quantum computing, I think MAS has put in alot of resources to ensure counter measures are developed to safeguard against hackers from using quantum computing to crack the current binary encryption key and algorithm.


2. Notably, current binary encryption key and algorithm can be lifted beforehand and then when quantum computing is ready, hackers can crack the encryption easily.


3. Understand that MAS is aware of such threat and working with quantum computing researchers, scientists, cyber security experts and I think Singtel if I am not wrong to pilot a quantum computing network as well as quantum encryption to protect our banking sectors to be quantum ready.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:01 pm]

4. Well being a financial hub, protecting our money and depositors money is crucial - to ensure we are a safe and trusted financial hub.

Else all our hard earned money will be stolen by hackers using quantum computing - that can crack encryption with phenomenal speed through qubit superposition.


5. Else our Economy will experience a trauma if quantum computing come into play - and our money are compromise if we are not ready and caught with our pants down.


6. Financial outflow will ensue.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:05 pm]

Having say so, other than our financial sectors, our other sectors must also be quantum computing ready, notably:-

1. Our defence

2. Home security 

3. Government 

4. R&D institutions - IPR

5. Manufacturing etc.

We need to ensure our data, and IPR (intellectual property right) etc must not be compromise by hackers deploying quantum computing.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:14 pm]

1. Next is the global climate - sea flooding.

2. Estimated that we are building an all round coastal defense for sea flooding throughout Singapore including our offshore islands.

3. $100 billion is needed and set aside for 100 years.

4. Estimated 1.5 metres high protection is needed to curb sea from eating our shores inland.

5. We intend to deploy a hybrid approach to stop sea flooding that include not only concrete barrier, build long island, mangrove to absorb flooding etc.

6. But understand that extreme weather may even cause flooding to go up to 5 metres.

7. Hence our coastal defense must be able to include flexible module to extend the flood barrier up to 5 metres on a modular basis.

As this is an existential threat to us.


Hanny, [18/8/2025 1:15 pm]

Mindset change is important in this new world. Resistance to change will always be there. 

Read this article.

https://fortune.com/2025/08/17/ceo-laid-off-80-percent-workforce-ai-sabotage/


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:15 pm]

Phew just too many important topics to cover in one day.

很喘。


Adam, [18/8/2025 1:16 pm]

Even the strongest security cannot protect against employees leaking. And even if employees leak or got no proper security, what is the consequences to the company owner? Cust data lost, maybe got fine. Security breach, no heads rolling. There needs to be direct personal accountability in organisations if there is evidence that their policies put security at risk.

If there is an incident pull up all logs and treat it like a proper crime.

If a upper management tells employees to withhold incidents on customers, treat it as they themselves are leaking customer data instead of company.

If some hr exec is lax in hiring and a foreign talent leaks documents. Treat the hr person as an accesory to crime. We need people to treat data as more than just words and code. It can represent lives and more. Losing it can have serious consequences and inviduals need to be accountable to it

Hanny, [18/8/2025 1:18 pm]

Resilience of the people is important. This is a delicate balancing act by gov. Too much help will foster clutch mentality. We blame gov for everything. However, not enough help is also dangerous for society.

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 1:18 pm]

Glad government will place citizens at centre and that he said jobs, jobs, jobs. It's important that citizens are employed and able to earn a decent living, especially since cost of living here is very high. Wonder why the government service now only seems to offer contract work and not full time work? The job stability of the full time government job was a big draw for people to apply In the past, as they can then plan for the next many years. Constant stress of having to worry about job security is another factor that negatively affects citizens' wellbeing.

Hanny, [18/8/2025 1:19 pm]

Communication at town level to engage the people is important.

365, [18/8/2025 1:21 pm]

I agree with this approach. Basically someone has to be held accountable for preventable incidents.

1. Reasonable policies to protect must be implemented. If not, then management responsible for it will be liable.

2. If policy is assessed to be reasonable, then next will be the implementation and executor. Whoever is supposed to fulfill duties relating to the policies will be held liable.

3. If these are already in place but still breach, then they can be absolved of the responsibility, to be reasonable, some times you really can't tell with people. But at least there has to be a reasonable effort to prevent such incidents.

G, [18/8/2025 1:29 pm]

Fresh grads unable to find jobs..

Isn't it concerning that graduates from the NUS (ranked 8th in the world, QS) and NTU (ranked 12th in the world, QS) cannot find jobs in SG?

So is it the uni education is inadequate? How come fresh grads need to go for skills future upgrade so soon after graduation?

Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 1:32 pm]

Nowadays changes happen too often and quickly. 

E.g. AI wasn't super popular during covid period, when some of these graduates enrolled in uni. The world has changed while they were studying. Hard to expect school subjects to change subjects while in the middle of a undergrad/poly course of 3 or 4 years

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:33 pm]

Things change so fast that human cannot adapt... This is no good

Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 1:34 pm]

I suspect much green technologies might be phased out while trump in office. Companies would not bother with environmental/social policies if law doesn't focus on it


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:34 pm]

1. Next I want to address the reliability of MRT.


2. Reliability of MRT cannot be look at in isolation - because being mechanical, electrical and electronics - it will somehow fails even with the best in maintenance.


3. Japan is hail as high quality - and even tout "zero defects" in whatever it do.

But recently during the Osaka expo, power failure that drive their MRT also happen.

30,000 people are trapped in the expo.

Even though maintenance staff are triggered immediately, it took them 1 day and 1 night to fix the power failure.

36 people got heat stroke and need to be hospitalized as 30,000 need to sleep overnight around the MRT and expo.

Surprisingly unlike Singapore, no bus services to disperse the crowds are used.


4. Hence I will see the reliability of MRT as a total system, not line by line.

We must build sufficient redundancy into the MRT system.

That's if one line fail,commuters can hop into another MRT line (with activation of bus service kept to the minimum).

If we succeed in building such redundancy into the MRT like a web with good redundancy lines in place - then our MRT "reliability" will be consider good.

As we can even bring down 1 line for maintenance in the broad daylight for servicing if 1 line is down as commuters can just hop into another line.


5. Understand that such MRT line(s) are still being build and come 2030 - we may be close to achieving such vision.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:35 pm]

What you learn a few years back can quickly become unrelavent

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:35 pm]

Unless there's any way to slow down the rate of change we need to constantly learn new things

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:36 pm]

For mrt I find that the break down frequency had break down too often

Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 1:36 pm]

For me, the focus on vape or drugs in general is important. Else we might lose quite a lot of youth due to addiction or violence induced to the population. Then even less locals to support economy or military

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:37 pm]

I think at most break down 1 time per year for mrt line will be good

Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 1:38 pm]

Might be due to old age of our mrt. 

I'm referencing like US new york train lines which break down super often that it does not make the news anymore

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:39 pm]

Long time break down once people can tolerate while breaking down every month is not acceptable

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:40 pm]

If someone makes a timeline of mrt breakdown...

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 1:41 pm]

Khaw boon wan era although mrt breaks down it does not break down that often

365, [18/8/2025 1:42 pm]

That's not a good way to assess frequency, I think what the authorities use is better, breakdown per x number of miles.

If want to use time instead, then simply just run the train less, once every 15 minutes. Less run time, less chance to breakdown, more time to maintain also, but that's not what we want.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:43 pm]

I don't manage and run MRT.

So I don't know.

But I used to run big data centers, multiple data centres cater to nationwide and some across multiple continents.

If I hope at least 1 failure 1 time in a year - I think it is scientifically and physics wise not practical.


365, [18/8/2025 1:45 pm]

Besides, for Japan, the Osaka incident is huge enough to warrant international headlines. But are we sure that there is no breakdowns in between that is only heard in their local news?


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:45 pm]

Because there will bound to be failure sometimes somewhere even with the best care:-

1. Eg. Disk failure.

2. Memory fault 

3. OS fault 

4. IO card failure 

5. Module failure

6. Apps hang

7. Over capacity due to high traffic

8. Hackers try to breach the network system

9. Log out

10. Server down 

11. Device down 

12. Patch failure 

13. Blue screen of death

14. Virus or malware attack

15. Power failure 

16. Software bugs

17. Integration error

18. RF interference 

19. Protocol failure 

20. Line connectivity failure 

21. Data corruption 

22. Database failure 

23. Authentication failure 

24. Logs failure

25. Routing failure 

26. Broadcast storm

27. Routing table corruption 

Etc.


Because they are mechanical, electrical, electronic, software - which can fail from time to time.

Even deploying NMS (network management system), SIEM (security incident event management system) to do proactive monitoring and reactive recovery - failure will bound to occur from time to time.

What more is such complex system like the MRT.

Hence our strategy is to deploy a fully redundant network system within a data center and a fully redundant secondary data centre.

Any component failure, it will failover to the redundant system within the same Data center.

And if major failure occur in the primary data center, it will failover to the backup Data center.

To the customers, there are no failure because they can use whatever system that is available to them when some failure occur. It is transparent to the customers.

Hence I am advocating the same system wide redundancy approach to MRT (not jump when 1 line fail, when commuters can use another working line).


365, [18/8/2025 1:48 pm]

Most DCs have a 99.999999% uptime requirement, however this also includes swingover to secondary. As it's virtual, it's a bit different from MRT situation, as the swingover most of the time could not be felt in daily lives.

Many of them also run the primary and secondary in parallel, so when one drops, the other will just pick up the additional load in the time being. 

I'm not sure of how long the actual primary is up for the entire runtime though.


Adam, [18/8/2025 1:55 pm]

I think clamping down on vapes isnt too effective. Govt needs to foster a stronger anti drug culture. 

Youths are educated using foreign sources. They see alcohol as a legal drug and vapes as a little step up. Kpods is a different matter and as we dont regulate the vape market, they are taking a risk of unknowingly getting something worse into their system.

Currently our govt is heavy handed and inconsistent. Is kpods same as vapes? Is cocaine same as weed? In the eyes of the law, all drugs are death penalty regardless of nuances. However youth are educated from foreign media about nuances. They see our laws as a joke only selectively applied. Why is cigs allowed but normal vapes not, yet gov treats it like it will kill you. Why is alcohol allowed in spite of all the death it causes, yet we can see it in adverts?

When the gov clamps down on hard to detect stuff like vapes easily accessible across the border, youth will see the gaps in the gov enforcement and system and be emboldened to take more serious drugs.

Adam, [18/8/2025 1:58 pm]

I would suggest the gov to show consequences outside jail, instead of go to jail education with drugs. Get rehabilitated abuser to give talks to youths about how it affected them while they are using it instead of polis say dun do or you go to jail

Adam, [18/8/2025 2:00 pm]

Abusers will not imagine going to jail, to educate preemptively them need to build a culture. At least youths these days are drinking and smoking lesser than ever due to culture.

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 2:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:02 pm]

I see my hair got smoke coming out.

Brain overworked...


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:06 pm]

You need to show the reason and convince why you shouldn't do certain things instead just say straight to jail

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:07 pm]

I think youngsters nowadays we won't guai guai listen to gov unless you tell me the reason that I am convinced

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:09 pm]

You tell me don't vape, then why... 

You tell me don't do sexual crimes, why... 

You tell me don't gamble, why....

Jail is not a reason, it's a rule created by people


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:09 pm]

1. Cost of living - is something quite personal + external environment induced.

We should not totally rely on government.

2. Finding a job that pay reasonably well.

3. Save enough to build passive income - to supplement and grow our wealth.

4. Watch our spendings - that is not spending lavishly but essential and use some for leisure.

All these should be individuals and household planning.


Unless we encountered difficulty in finding a job due to external challenges beyond our control, then requesting government help will be needed like the current situation face by the fresh graduates.

But once we secure a job, how we build our savings and wealth will solely depending on ourselves together with our family members.

Not everything depends on government.


5. In fact I found that government assistance through GST vouchers, CDC vouchers, SG 60 vouchers, conservancy rebate, utilities rebates, medisave handout plus other financial transfer have helped tremendously in cushioning the high cost of living.

In fact, still have alot remaining, have not been able to use up CDC and SG 60 vouchers.


365, [18/8/2025 2:10 pm]

I think no need for so much fluff. We need the iron fist government we used to have. The reason why things can work is because people were forced to follow rules strictly, doesn't matter whether they like it or not. Some things really need to be hard handed.

Cannot be you still need to spend time coaxing and teaching people why you should assault others. The body remembers physical punishment well.

365, [18/8/2025 2:11 pm]

LKY was renowned for his stance against SIA pilots trying to go on strike. Don't have to tell them why it's bad to go on strike, just actions and consequences they will face if they choose to persist.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:12 pm]

People will still do it once they are overseas or no one watching

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:13 pm]

So you need to tell them to the point why is it bad and make them recognise it

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:14 pm]

And quitting service need to be in place

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:15 pm]

This is why some people reoffending crimes because they couldn't recognise why is it wrong


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:16 pm]

1. I am particularly mindful about the PM point's on "We mentality".

2. Not "I mentality or Mine mentality".

3. It particularly resonate with me that - Citizens participating in helping to shape government policies should adopt a "We mentality" rather than an "I mentality".

4. Win-win outcomes will normally arises in "We mentality" rather than an "I mentality".


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:17 pm]

If not it will cause enforcement a lot of effort to enforce

365, [18/8/2025 2:17 pm]

They do it overseas is their problem. As long as they don't bring the problem back to sg, it's none of my business. Adults should be mature enough to be accountable for their own actions, and parents should be mature enough to be accountable for the actions of their non-adult children. 

I don't care about what harm they do to themselves, just that they don't harm others while in sg. Example 2nd hand vapours or physical harm to others driven by their addiction.

The reason why I'm so verhently against vape is due to the unintended consequences on an innocent party, which is why I support the stop against vape in sg.

I do agree to give chances to those who want to make changes for the better and help them kick the addiction.

365, [18/8/2025 2:19 pm]

Government can do all the coddling, but if there's no immediate consequences, then some of them would just ignore anyway.

Ultimately, I think a huge issue is also the over reliance on government for some very personal responsibilities.

365, [18/8/2025 2:19 pm]

It's a phenomenon not only in Singapore.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:19 pm]

Just like a lot people thinks that feeding pigeon give good karma. People will continue to do it even it's illegal

365, [18/8/2025 2:20 pm]

That's why should come in hard handed with jail and/or fines.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:20 pm]

Anyhow feed the pigeons will attract alot of germs and bacteria.

May even invite bird flu and become epidemic.


365, [18/8/2025 2:20 pm]

Or even forced community service

365, [18/8/2025 2:21 pm]

Something that is illegal on paper, but not enforced or have no consequences, is as good as legal.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:21 pm]

Do good also must use wisdom.

Birds can hunt for food in the wild.

No need to feed them.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:22 pm]

"Rats from the sky’: Urban India finds itself divided on pigeons".

Followers of Jainism, a religion whose adherents are guided by the principle of compassion and non-violence, the Sheths see feeding strays as an integral part of their religious practices.

“We believe that we should not eat without feeding others,” he added.

But it is this act of “mercy feeding” pigeons, something also practised widely by followers of other religions, including Hinduism and Islam, that has increasingly become a source of tension in urban India.

Indian cities has come a spike in hypersensitivity pneumonitis, a potentially fatal lung disease caused by the repetitive inhalation of antigens.

Doctors have linked the disease to pigeon exposure, particularly their droppings and feathers.

 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/rats-from-the-sky-urban-india-finds-itself-divided-on-pigeons#:~:text=Rats%20from%20the%20sky%E2%80%99%3A%20Urban%20India%20finds%20itself%20divided%20on%20pigeons


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:23 pm]

This is why we need to educate them to have wisdom. We need to guide and point to those uncles aunties why it is no good to do so

365, [18/8/2025 2:25 pm]

I believe in actions and consequences instead. No matter how sound your reason is, some people can remain very stubborn and fixed in their ways.

You can guide all your want, only for them to dismiss it as rubbish and continue it in their own ways. People who don't want to listen, won't listen. Regardless of how your try to communicate with them.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:27 pm]

I believe in educating and enforcement at the same time. Giving warning. Singapore needs to be rich in spiritual ways too.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:27 pm]

I have make known my viewpoints in vaping previously.

Vaping are harming our youth, hence I agree with the government viewpoints in handling vaping.

Won't dwell into it.

Too many topics to address.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:28 pm]

For vaping I agree with gov ways of doing


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:28 pm]

Last week in Nex toilet.

Saw an Indian boy, secondary school in uniform behaving suspiciously digging his bag next to a sink.

I was washing my hands, I saw his body trembling.

Also noticed he seems to have withdrawal syndrome because he keep sneezing and coughing like a drug addict.

I guess he could be vaping kpod.

If he whipped out a vape, I would have come out of the toilet and call the police to catch him and let him undergo rehabilitation.

Else his whole life will be finished.

But I didn't catch him doing so - thus cannot call police.

Else police think that I make false report - then I get into trouble.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:29 pm]

Giving warning and allow them to ask for help to quit. At the same time educating them. This should start way earlier.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:31 pm]

And the same time do more border inspection not to allow such vapes enter

365, [18/8/2025 2:32 pm]

Warning sure, but there has to be a limit and corrective actions at the end of the day. Ultimate goal is for them to not harm the public with their actions.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:34 pm]

Agree

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 2:35 pm]

pretty sure a lot people will kena of new law kick in


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:36 pm]

1. Singapore - Johore special economic zone.

2. As we undergo tremendous challenges in Trump's tariff war, collaboration among countries will be particularly important.

3. Understand that synergistic cooperation with Johor will produce such beneficial effects.

4. But it will be good if our government could highlight some of the benefits - so that we have a clearer picture what does the collaboration entails.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:37 pm]

Singapore has found a willing partner in semiconductor and pharmaceutical export and import - India as US impose large tariffs on these 2 sectors.

Singapore maybe able to cushion the impact of Trump's tariff in these 2 sectors as we collaborate with India which also run large semiconductors and pharmaceutical sectors.

The collaboration will be particularly helpful to both Singapore and India.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAeWQVA9/


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:41 pm]

India is a big market for semiconductor and pharmaceutical - as supply chain partners, manufacturing partners and end user consumer market.

It will have a beneficial effects to absorb our large semiconductors and pharmaceutical industries as we come under pressure from Trump 100% tariff in semiconductor and big tariffs in pharmaceutical that will greatly impact us.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:41 pm]

Hence will like an update on how Singapore-Johore SEZ benefits Singapore.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 2:49 pm]

"Japan Expo visitors stranded overnight by halted train".

A sudden suspension of the sole train to Japan's Expo 2025 stranded more than 30,000 visitors, with some forced to spend a sweltering night near the station and more than 30 people sent to hospitals by Thursday (Aug 14) morning.

A power outage abruptly shut the metro line in Osaka on Wednesday night while a crowd was packed into the Expo site's station.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/japan-expo-visitors-stranded-halted-train-5294511#:~:text=Japan%20Expo%20visitors%20stranded%20overnight%20by%20halted%20train


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:08 pm]

"Stablecoins gain critical mass after GENIUS Act cements rules — banks and companies rush to register new coins".

Even though they are tied to the US dollar, there have been instances of stablecoin collapse in the past. 

How that additional risk affects investors and stockholders is another potential hurdle.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cryptocurrency/stablecoins-gain-critical-mass-after-genius-act-cements-rules-banks-and-companies-rush-to-register-new-coins#:~:text=Stablecoins%20gain%20critical%20mass%20after%20GENIUS%20Act%20cements%20rules%20%E2%80%94%20banks%20and%20companies%20rush%20to%20register%20new%20coins


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:09 pm]

"Stablecoins fuel liquidity, not yet money".

When Congress passed the so-called “Genius Act” on stablecoin legislation last month with bipartisan support, it triggered another wave of speculation about just how much havoc these dollar-pegged crypto tokens might wreak, including fears of fraud, tax evasion and instability.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/article-stablecoins-fuel-liquidity-not-yet-money/#:~:text=SUBSCRIBE-,Stablecoins%20fuel%20liquidity%2C%20not%20yet%20money,-MIKE%20DOLAN


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:10 pm]

"How Cryptocurrency Could Be Coming for Your Bank Account.

We explain the benefits and the risks."

*The drawbacks?* 

Beyond losing interest on accounts, you would also forgo the federal insurance that pays back depositors in the event of a bank failure. 

That’s because the regulators treat stablecoin accounts as “investments,” not ordinary deposits. 

In short, your accounts would have fewer protections than they do now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/14/briefing/how-cryptocurrency-could-be-coming-for-your-bank-account.html#:~:text=How%20Cryptocurrency%20Could,and%20the%20risks.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:10 pm]

"US bank groups ask to close GENIUS Act’s stablecoin yield ‘loophole’.

US banking groups have urged Congress to close a so-called loophole letting stablecoin issuers offer yields through affiliate firms, fearing it undermines the banking system."

https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-bankers-want-stablecoin-yield-loophole-closed#:~:text=US%20bank%20groups,the%20banking%20system.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:16 pm]

I want to highlight the risks and danger of Stablecoin that in future our exporters maybe force to use as payment instruments for our exports and imports when we deal with US exporters and importers under the Genius Act.

If we analyse the purpose of the Stablecoin carefully under the so call "Genius" Act - it is in effect Trump's ploy to print money, force business borrowing through US Treasury Bonds (with lower credit ratings), and finance US ever growing public debt that is now exceeding US$37 trillion.

And we are using our hard cold S$ to finance the Stablecoin payment and trade settlements - will all the risks highlight above.

So we have to be very careful what is coming.

We need to decide our own destiny, chart our path for our future, and not let people lead us by our nose and pilfer our hard earned money away.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:18 pm]

"Tokenize Xchange operator placed under interim judicial management.

Seven investors, who have a total of S$4 million in investments held by the cryptocurrency trading platform, applied to the High Court to have the company placed under interim judicial management."

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/tokenize-xchange-operator-amazingtech-interim-judicial-management-5296651#:~:text=Tokenize%20Xchange%20operator,interim%20judicial%20management.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:18 pm]

The danger of Stablecoin.

We could lose everything.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 3:20 pm]

Here’s how Tokyo Metro and Singapore’s MRT stack up in terms of breakdowns and overall reliability:

Tokyo Metro vs Singapore MRT: Reliability Breakdown

Tokyo Metro – Exceptional and Consistent Reliability

Tokyo Metro is globally acclaimed for its reliability and punctuality — disruptions are extremely rare. Commuters have noted that breakdowns (not related to weather or major incidents) are so rare they can be "counted on one hand" over decades of use.

In 2022, only 1% of trains were more than five minutes late The Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elizabeth-line-tokyo-metro-part-of-new-tube-operator-gs8dvlblv?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

Tokyo remains the top-ranked system for reliability in East Asia, consistently beating systems like Singapore's peterwu.dev (https://www.peterwu.dev/blog/asian-transit-ranking?utm_source=chatgpt.com)The Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elizabeth-line-tokyo-metro-part-of-new-tube-operator-gs8dvlblv?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

Singapore MRT – Highly Reliable, with Occasional Notable Disruptions

Singapore's MRT has improved significantly from the 2010s. In 2012, MKBF (Mean Kilometers Between Failures) was just 67,000 km, growing to over 690,000 km by 2018 The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/rail-operators-have-to-maintain-high-reliability-standards-to-preserve-commuters-confidence?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

As of mid-2024, overall MKBF exceeded 2.3 million km per delay of more than five minutes The Independent Singapore News (https://theindependent.sg/lta-says-overall-reliability-of-singapore-mrt-system-has-improved-over-past-year?utm_source=chatgpt.com)The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/mrt-reliability-up-in-first-quarter-more-frequent-delays-on-lrt-lines?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

The Downtown Line (SBS Transit) leads with around 8.15 million km per delay The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/mrt-reliability-up-in-first-quarter-more-frequent-delays-on-lrt-lines?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

The East-West Line (SMRT) improved to around 5.05 million km per delay The Independent Singapore News (https://theindependent.sg/lta-says-overall-reliability-of-singapore-mrt-system-has-improved-over-past-year?utm_source=chatgpt.com)The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/mrt-reliability-up-in-first-quarter-more-frequent-delays-on-lrt-lines?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

However, reliability dipped in late 2023 into 2024:

MKBF dropped to about 1.798 million km per delay (Oct 2023 – Sept 2024), down from ~2.077 million km in 2023 Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/1h0uvfm?utm_source=chatgpt.com)theonlinecitizen.com (https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2025/02/14/mrt-disruptions-spark-frustration-raise-concerns-over-transport-system-reliability/?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

The East-West Line saw its MKBF decline from 3.36 million to about 2.03 million km after a major six-day breakdown in Sept 2024 The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/is-there-a-better-more-holistic-way-to-track-the-health-of-spores-mrt-system?utm_source=chatgpt.com)Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/1h0uvfm?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

Singapore MRT Major Breakdown Spotlight

September 2024: A train axle box dislodged on the East-West Line near Clementi, causing a derailment and extensive track damage. Services were suspended for six days, making it the longest disruption in MRT’s history Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_East%E2%80%93West_MRT_line_disruption?utm_source=chatgpt.com)+1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_East%E2%80%93West_MRT_line_disruption?utm_source=chatgpt.com)TNP (https://www.tnp.sg/news/behind-each-mrt-ride-how-trains-are-overhauled-tracks-maintained-north-south-east-west-lines?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

Despite this severe incident, overall MRT performance still exceeded the one million km MKBF target The Straits Times (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/is-there-a-better-more-holistic-way-to-track-the-health-of-spores-mrt-system?utm_source=chatgpt.com)+1 (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/is-there-a-better-more-holistic-way-to-track-the-health-of-spores-mrt-system?utm_source=chatgpt.com).

Commuter Perspective

While generally efficient, frustrations still surface — for instance, a reported 19-minute stuck train between Khatib and Yishun in February 2025 triggered public irritation

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 3:20 pm]

from chat gpt

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 3:22 pm]

not to mention tokyo have earth quake and typhone


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:24 pm]

Tokyo Metro and Singapore MRT are both among the most efficient and reliable metro systems in the world, but they differ in terms of breakdown frequency and operational performance. Here’s a comparison based on reliability metrics:

### 1. Breakdown Frequency (Delay & Disruption Rates)

- Singapore MRT:  

  - Historically, Singapore’s MRT faced significant reliability issues in the mid-2010s due to aging infrastructure and maintenance challenges.  

  - In recent years (post-2018), reliability has improved dramatically due to major upgrades (e.g., new signaling systems, replacement of sleepers, and preventive maintenance).  

  - Mean Kilometres Between Failure (MKBF) – As of recent reports, Singapore MRT (SMRT & SBST) averages around 1 million train-km between delays (major delays >5 mins).  

- Tokyo Metro:  

  - Tokyo’s subway systems (Tokyo Metro & Toei Subway) are known for extreme punctuality, with delays measured in seconds rather than minutes.  

  - Breakdowns are rare, partly due to rigorous maintenance, earthquake resilience, and highly disciplined operations.  

  - MKBF – Tokyo Metro reports around 5 million train-km between major delays, making it one of the most reliable systems globally.  

### 2. Causes of Breakdowns

- Singapore MRT:  

  - Past issues were often due to signaling faults, power supply problems, and track faults.  

  - Flooding incidents (e.g., 2017 Bishan tunnel flooding) caused major disruptions.  

  - Recent improvements include predictive maintenance and faster response teams.  

- Tokyo Metro:  

  - Rare breakdowns are usually caused by natural disasters (earthquakes, typhoons) or passenger incidents (e.g., suicides, door obstructions).  

  - Redundancy systems (backup power, alternative routes) minimize disruption impact.  

### 3. Response & Recovery Time

- Singapore MRT:  

  - Recovery from breakdowns has improved, but major disruptions (>30 mins) still occur occasionally.  

  - Free bus bridging services are deployed quickly.  

- Tokyo Metro:  

  - Even minor delays (a few minutes) are announced with apologies (a cultural norm).  

  - Recovery is extremely fast, with backup trains and alternative routes minimizing downtime.  

### Conclusion: Which is More Reliable?

- Tokyo Metro is more reliable with far fewer breakdowns, thanks to decades of refinement, strict maintenance, and disaster preparedness.  

- Singapore MRT has improved significantly but still experiences occasional delays, though much less frequently than before.  

If you prioritize near-perfect reliability, Tokyo Metro wins. However, Singapore’s MRT is catching up and remains one of Asia’s best.  

Would you like a comparison on other aspects (e.g., crowding, cleanliness, fares)?

Source:- DeepSeek

Daniel, [18/8/2025 3:24 pm]

That doesn't really give a good comparison. For a fair comparison you'd have to show the same metric e.g. MKBF for both systems.

365, [18/8/2025 3:26 pm]

Regardless of how we stack up against Japan, I think we are minimally within top 5.

Ask anyone who's tried taking the train or equivalent systems in Germany, US, or London, and they'll be very appreciative of our standards.

365, [18/8/2025 3:27 pm]

Even, Germany, renowned for engineering, is not near our standards in terms of train reliability.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:27 pm]

Backup train and alternative routes is Tokyo Metro solution to up its reliability minimizing downtime.

This is what I am proposing to Singapore MRT as well.

Tokyo Metro have longer history - hence this is in place.

Singapore can achieve similar redundancy comes 2030 and beyond - when more new MRT lines are ready.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:46 pm]

"Do Kwon may plead guilty in US case over $51 billion collapse of Singapore-based Terraform" Stablecoin.

See Stablecoin is a very risky assets to invest.

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/do-kwon-may-plead-guilty-in-us-case-over-51-billion-collapse-of-singapore-based-terraform#:~:text=Do%20Kwon%20may%20plead%20guilty%20in%20US%20case%20over%20%2451%20billion%20collapse%20of%20Singapore%2Dbased%20Terraform


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:47 pm]

"China and America

in a stablecoin race

that could reshape

global finance.

EVAN FREIDIN

Competing visions for digital

currency regulation reveal

broader financial ambitions".

Trump’s actions have fostered doubts. His “$Trump” meme coin, launched three days before his inauguration, rose some 300% over the initial price, before dropping by half. 

The people behind the $trump coin (including Trump) reportedly made an estimated US$100 million in trading fees.

It appeared to be a rug pull, where developers of a coin abandon the coin after making initial profits, leaving buyers with a useless asset. 

The GENIUS Act could see such schemes proliferate.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/china-america-stablecoin-race-could-reshape-global-finance#:~:text=China%20and%20America,broader%20financial%20ambitions


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 3:49 pm]

"The 30-Year Bond Auction Went Poorly. Yields Are Popping Higher."

Investors shunning US Treasury Bonds.

Trump forcing Fed to lower interest rates is meaningless because even at higher yield, higher interest rate - no investors want.

What's more if interest rate is force downward?

https://www.barrons.com/articles/treasury-30-year-bond-auction-yields-f32727f4#:~:text=The%2030%2DYear%20Bond%20Auction%20Went%20Poorly.%20Yields%20Are%20Popping%20Higher.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:01 pm]

Notably when RTS is ready, more Singaporeans may pop across Johor to buy cheaper groceries or goods.

Our woodland retail shops and food stalls will come under pressure.

In fact it will affect our f&b and retail scenes - as the cheaper Johor prices will draw our $ away and make our f&b, retail more difficult to do business.

What will be our counter measures to keep our f&b and retail business viable?


REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 4:03 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:04 pm]

Actually come to think of it, I purposely pop over to JB with my family members to shop and eat.

I don't find their prices that low and that attractive to induce me to pop over to JB to shop and eat.

Moreover moving around JB is not as simple as ABC like in Singapore MRT and bus services.

So seems like my experience and what is painted don't seems to synch.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:06 pm]

Depending on the purpose lor food is not cheap there.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:06 pm]

Kl even worse


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:07 pm]

Maybe, the counter measures is enforce SG 60 vouchers and CDC vouchers that can only spend in Singapore and woodlands retail and f&b - will benefit local business.

Singaporeans will pay using the vouchers in Singapore only.

Then less cash outflow.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:07 pm]

But foot massage is way cheaper in ksl

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:09 pm]

Cause I am a vegetarian so food can be compatible to Singapore


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:10 pm]

That's why my experience in JB and genting don't synch with the narrative that Malaysia food prices and goods are cheaper than Singapore.

When I convert the ringgit back to Singapore, it is about the same.

Hence the incentive for me to go up north is not there.

In fact moving around is a big chore - as it is very inconvenient without a car.

Even got car will stuck in traffic in traffic jam and unfamiliar roads.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:10 pm]

Finding good food is hard, I think looking for vegetarians will be out of my reach.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:11 pm]

But other things can be cheaper. Lotus supermarket have better deal to buy daily necessity like toothpaste

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:12 pm]

Sushi is cheaper also


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:12 pm]

ABC value store also very cheap in AMK hub.

$1.90 Colgate.

$1.25 coca cola


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:13 pm]

No need to travel all the way to JB to buy such necessities.

Too much hassle.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:19 pm]

But I think mak mak have cheaper food for a non vegetarian. I heard from people if you eat seafood zi char food will be cheaper

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:20 pm]

For me is no choice but to find vegetarian food which often left with more expensive options


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:21 pm]

I think those road stall zi char could be cheaper.

But we dare not try road stall - afraid of hygiene.

Ended up we dine in mall f&b.

Prices equal to the prices in Singapore.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:22 pm]

And there's those night market with smelly tofu cheaper than pasar malam.

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 4:22 pm]

And hard to find such taste in Singapore


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:23 pm]

Pasar Malam too late for us to venture.

Afraid of safety.

Before nightfall, we head home.

Not like Singapore, nightlife is safe.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:25 pm]

And I can see vape shop openly selling vapes in JB.


Adam, [18/8/2025 4:34 pm]

I feel pasar malam is massively overpriced. Vry unhealthy too

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:34 pm]

Even if cheap, you pay with your health

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:34 pm]

Glad that Singapore government is coming down hard on vapes before it becomes a major problem. We do not welcome such drugs here. Please also educate our kids in school about the dangers of drugs including vapes. Somehow nearby countries seemed to have become lax on these in recent years.

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:35 pm]

The gov should not reduce cost of living by burdening the future with health cost

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:36 pm]

Do you make a distinction between vapes, cigs, and etomidate?

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:38 pm]

They're all bad, and the worst are those laced with drugs. Saw someone selling cigarettes laced with drugs at the local market recently, wonder why drug peddler can be so daring suddenly in Singapore.

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:39 pm]

People who don't make a distinction are in denial. Might as well say singaporean=pr and both should receive same benefit since reside in singapore. Actually this mindset of non nuance is why statistics gov show is very funny

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:39 pm]

The problem is it escalates, usually start from "harmless" cigarettes to more serious things over time.

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:40 pm]

True it escalates. So why doesnt the gov ban cigs in addition to vape? See the inconsistency? Thats why youth ignore gov rules

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:42 pm]

I for one support banning cigs, but i dont like how we inconsistently apply rules and make a blanket extremely harsh penalty

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:43 pm]

If you find your boss, or friend, or family vaping nicotine, would you report them?

Do you trust the gov to 'rehabilitate' your mum if you report her using vape. You after all care about her health since she uses drugs right?

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:45 pm]

Of course we have strike down hard on distributers too. Did you make a distinction between users and people who facilitate the market?

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:45 pm]

Or anyone holding a vape is a criminal and needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law?

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:46 pm]

We can always do a no nuance tough on crime policy like usual


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 1:34 pm]

1. Next I want to address the reliability of MRT.


2. Reliability of MRT cannot be look at in isolation - because being mechanical, electrical and electronics - it will somehow fails even with the best in maintenance.


3. Japan is hail as high quality - and even tout "zero defects" in whatever it do.

But recently during the Osaka expo, power failure that drive their MRT also happen.

30,000 people are trapped in the expo.

Even though maintenance staff are triggered immediately, it took them 1 day and 1 night to fix the power failure.

36 people got heat stroke and need to be hospitalized as 30,000 need to sleep overnight around the MRT and expo.

Surprisingly unlike Singapore, no bus services to disperse the crowds are used.


4. Hence I will see the reliability of MRT as a total system, not line by line.

We must build sufficient redundancy into the MRT system.

That's if one line fail, commuters can hop into another MRT line (with activation of bus service kept to the minimum).

If we succeed in building such redundancy into the MRT like a web with good redundancy lines in place - then our MRT "reliability" will be consider good.

As we can even bring down 1 line for maintenance in the broad daylight for servicing if 1 line is down as commuters can just hop into another line.


5. Understand that such MRT line(s) are still being build and come 2030 - we may be close to achieving such vision.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:46 pm]

https://cryptoslate.com/hong-kong-regulators-warn-against-hype-driven-stablecoin-market-swings/

Hong Kong regulators warn against hype-driven stablecoin market swings

HKMA and SFC urged investors to exercise caution amid speculative stablecoin-linked claims in a joint statement issued Aug. 14.


Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:48 pm]

The minister in charge probably needs to weigh between outright banning and coming down hard on drugs with serious health implications. If they do an outright ban on cigarettes, they will probably lose a lot of votes from cigarette smokers.


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 4:48 pm]

Even HK that intend to license stablecoin in concurrent with Trump genius act - urge hkian to be careful about the risk of stablecoin.

HK financial policy are closely aligned to US - but yet they issue risk caution.


Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 4:48 pm]

The inconsistency in law against different vices or crimes is common. Else you would get too harsh penalties for minor stuff

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:49 pm]

Agree 💯

Khai Mun L., [18/8/2025 4:49 pm]

I recall history got a time when stealing is chop off hand

Adam, [18/8/2025 4:51 pm]

We should kinda review laws. Feels like vehicular crimes is a slap on the wrist, especially when it results in death

Nicholas, [18/8/2025 4:54 pm]

Agree, why so many caught driving around without license recently?


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 5:34 pm]

What we do know is that there will be more trade barriers in the world. That means small and open economies like us will feel the squeeze."

However, Mr Wong added that the Singapore Economic Resilience Taskforce (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-task-force-monitor-impact-us-trump-tariffs-lawrence-wong-5050896) chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Gan Kim Yong had been working hard to address these risks.

"Kim Yong and his team have been hard at work, travelling to different countries and negotiating deals to secure Singapore's interest," he said.

"They have been rolling out targeted solutions to help businesses and workers.

He added that the task force is not only addressing immediate challenges, but is also looking ahead to review and refresh Singapore's economic strategies, with younger office holders working alongside industry partners and union leaders in this effort.

Source:- CNA news


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 5:35 pm]

"Singapore key exports fall worse than expected in July as shipments to US plunge 42.7%"


LCL (Danny 心), [18/8/2025 5:37 pm]

The geopolitical challenges very formidable.


Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 5:56 pm]

Do you report them if it will affect you in some ways. 

When in army, my boss says don't anyhow report. It can easily backfire to you

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 5:58 pm]

Sometimes it may affect your welfare etc... eg. If you report your bunk mates and end up a stand by universe

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 5:58 pm]

And everyone hates you do you still report

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 6:03 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:11 pm]

Unfortunately, have to report if we want to protect ourselves and love ones from the harmful effects of vaping - whether with or without etomidate. The backfire/ consequences are short-term when compared to the consequences of vaping being rampant in our society.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:14 pm]

Thats the thing. are we reporting our peers to help them get out of drugs, or punish them because they use drugs, or punish them to set an example to deter others to use drugs

Steven Ong, [18/8/2025 6:14 pm]

Vaping is now a generational and national crisis. The health issues associated with this will cripple families and a generation of healthy workers. Good to get rid of it once and for all..

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:14 pm]

There should be different approaches/ punishments for users who are caught, distributors, and those who voluntarily sought help to quit.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:15 pm]

Its easy to say lets punish drug users. But you are assuming you will never be in the situation where your peer is on the line

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:15 pm]

Would you be willing to sacrifice someone you know for the greater good. The punishment will deter others in society from falling down in the same path

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:16 pm]

Maybe a program to help those voluntarily seek help to quit will be helpful in the dilemma of reporting peers/ love ones.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:18 pm]

Also its one thing to tell off one person for using vapes. Another thing to report for using meth. The way i was taught, the law will treat both just as harsh

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:18 pm]

The culture youths have is vapes is lesser than cigs how to enforce?

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:19 pm]

If you care so much about health crisis, would you tell someone to cut off cigs?

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:20 pm]

Singaporeans dun want to disturb the other person let alone worry about it coming back to themselves

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:20 pm]

Yes, if possible cig should be included. But I think it has been entrenched in the economy.

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:21 pm]

And vaping is more harmful than cigarettes. Better to nip it now, then regret next time.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:21 pm]

But i see Stomp post pics of etomitade users look like zombie in public, kinda worried but wonder if even possible to enforce.

These people need help beyond rehab

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:23 pm]

Cigs are well studied in effects. I wonder if gov can educate public on harms of vape with evidence backed studies. Not just say dun use cos jail

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:32 pm]

Actually there is support to quit vaping.

AVENUES TO SURRENDER E-VAPORISERS AND SEEK SUPPORT TO QUIT VAPING | Ministry of Health

https://www.moh.gov.sg/newsroom/avenues-to-surrender-e-vaporisers-and-seek-support-to-quit-vaping/

4. Members of the public who wish to seek support for quitting, particularly if they have been using etomidate e-vaporisers, may approach WE CARE Community Services, Singapore Anti-Narcotics Association, the Institute of Mental Health for assistance or the Quitline counsellors at 1800 438 2000. See Annex B for the list of contacts.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:36 pm]

Tbh people are sus of gov services. See the tracetogether saga

RY, [18/8/2025 6:37 pm]

Quite many topics are touch on in NDR 2025 this year

Many good initiatives are brought up eg traineeship for fresh graduates, anti-vaping education for the youth in schools 

Future development plans eg Northern SG are also highlighted for Kranji/Sembawang/Woodlands  

Plans to tackle A

ageing SG population problems eg  Age Well SG

Incentives to encourage marriage and parenthood eg more flats will be building in new towns 

AI education for our younger and tertiary generation and new campus for Islamic Studies 

The ending speech that I concur with PM Wong -  "Not just doing things for Singaporeans – but doing things with Singaporeans" - as it should be a concerted/joint efforts by all parties to make SG more prosperous for the next 60-year to come 

Lastly, I am also quite impressed/surprised by the creativity for NDP 2025 eg PM Wong with guitar in the Opening songs - never expected

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:38 pm]

Lets say dun report, if you see peer use vape, would you encourage them to call the service to seek help. Do you think there is no risk of not seeing them agsin

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:39 pm]

Gov need to restore confidence that utilizing social services will help people in a pit

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:40 pm]

Kinda surprised there is large usage of surrender bins. Wonder why not just throw in normal trash

Andrew Goh, [18/8/2025 6:42 pm]

Yes if I really care/ love them. If I see my peer on the path of destruction, and I don't do anything, maybe I dont really care/ love them.

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:44 pm]

Yes but vape is not same as kpod. Most people wont see vape as a path to destruction. I nag at cig use. Keep telling to quit cigs but after a while have to accept they wont change from addiction. Wonder how to help

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:45 pm]

Cigs is long term path to destruction. I hope i wont have to pay for lung cancer meds for dad even though they quit many years ago

Adam, [18/8/2025 6:47 pm]

Yet cigs arent illegal even though effects are well known. But somehow vapes are seen precursor to kpods which leads to other drugs

G, [18/8/2025 6:50 pm]

Those bins have locks so dumpster divers cannot get the vapes after disposal

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 6:51 pm]

Dear Contributor, 

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Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 6:57 pm]

If only 1 peer vape and others don't very easy to stop them. If the whole gang vape very hard

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 6:57 pm]

It's already good to not get influence into vaping if your whole bunk vape

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 6:58 pm]

As some will share their puff

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 6:58 pm]

Speaking for experience

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 6:59 pm]

Another thing is vape targets underages. As they can't smoke

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 7:00 pm]

So hope there's a counter measures as I understand cig legal age has been raised so more people turn to vape

Jun Ming, [18/8/2025 7:00 pm]

K good night megan

Kai Bin, [18/8/2025 7:01 pm]

LTA hasn’t release the latest data figures on rail reliability yet.

REACH Singapore, [18/8/2025 7:01 pm]

Dear Contributors

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Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

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