Monday, July 28, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 88 - What are your views on the Government exploring all possible energy options, including considering nuclear energy as a potential source of power?

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28 Jul 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 10:31 am]

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REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 10:55 am]

📢 Topic 📢

Dr Tan See Leng, Singapore’s Minister-in-charge of Energy and Science & Technology, said that it is no longer feasible nor practical for Singapore to avoid working towards a net-zero future.

Fluctuations in the prices of fossil fuels due to geopolitical conflicts have driven up energy prices. Dealing with the impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, is also critical for Singapore. 

"Energy is existential for us, just like water was existential in the 90s," he said. Singapore is exploring all possible options in its energy transition to ensure its energy needs are met in a sustainable, resilient and cost-effective way. “Nothing is off the table. We will explore every single pathway, every single possibility, and... make sure it is cost-effective and sustainable,” he said.

During his first formal interview as Minister-in-charge of Energy and Science & Technology, Dr Tan fielded a range of questions about Singapore’s energy future, from developments in the Asean power grid, to the country’s exploration of nuclear and geothermal energy, and the role of emerging technologies such as carbon capture and storage.

At a separate event, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Rafael Mariano Grossi shared that Singapore could be the “most perfect example” of a country that needs nuclear energy given its territorial limitations, energy requirements, technological base and institutional maturity.

The chief of the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog was in Singapore as part of the SR Nathan Fellowship, a high-level programme for foreign leaders and prominent individuals to visit the country, and spoke at a lecture and question-and-answer session hosted by the newly launched Singapore Nuclear Research and Safety Institute at NUS.

With a very small nuclear power plant, you can have a level of energy density and production that you cannot match with anything else,” he said. The IAEA chief said that Singapore has the technological capacity, financial ability and regulatory institutions in place to deploy nuclear energy if it so decides, and it made sense for Singapore to consider tapping nuclear energy, as the island state has limited access to renewable energy options.

Around 95 per cent of the country’s energy supply comes from burning natural gas but given the rising energy demand, and the need to reduce emissions from the power sector, Singapore needs a stable domestic source of energy, he added. “When it comes to decarbonising, what are your options? Here, there is no hydropower. You have renewables, but you don’t have much territory... It’s a small country, so you cannot have wind parks for kilometres on end," he said.

💬 What are your views on the Government exploring all possible energy options, including considering nuclear energy as a potential source of power?

📌 Global Trends in Nuclear Energy

A new trend in nuclear energy is small modular reactors. While most are not in operation yet, these reactors are being licensed in many countries, including the United States, France, the United Kingdom and Argentina, said the IAEA’s chief. Small modular reactors are advanced and compact reactors that can be factory-assembled and installed in dense urban areas. They are also known to be safer than traditional large reactors, but are now mainly still in a research phase.

Climate scientists and experts have recognised that, in terms of climate change, decarbonisation without nuclear energy is “practically utopian”.  He urged the audience to recognise nuclear energy’s contribution to gradual decarbonisation, which the world is embarking on and addressed the safety concerns that came with nuclear technology and nuclear energy. 

📌 Potential collaboration within ASEAN

Singapore could also potentially develop a plant in collaboration with another country in Asean, he added. During his lecture, Mr Grossi noted that Asean countries have shown an increasing interest in collaborating with the IAEA on developing nuclear energy capabilities.

REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 10:55 am]

Mr Grossi cited how countries like Indonesia and Vietnam are planning to have nuclear power plants by the mid-2030s, while in other countries, companies are already signing agreements to start looking into concrete projects.

Asean’s interest in nuclear energy mirrors that of other countries, as more come to view atomic power as a stable, carbon-free alternative to fossil fuels.

👉🏻 Not feasible for S’pore to avoid net‑zero; all options to cut energy emissions on table: Tan See Leng:  https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/not-feasible-for-spore-to-avoid-net-zero-all-options-to-cut-energy-emissions-on-table-tan-see-leng

👉🏻 S’pore could have nuclear energy ‘within a few years’, if it decides on it: UN nuclear watchdog chief: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/environment/spore-could-have-nuclear-energy-within-a-few-years-if-it-decides-on-it-un-nuclear-watchdog-chief

👉🏻 Singapore could be ‘most perfect example’ of a country that needs nuclear energy: IAEA chief: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-nuclear-energy-iaea-rafael-grossi-5258646

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REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 10:58 am]

[ Poll : How confident are you in the government's ability to ensure the safe and responsible development of nuclear energy in Singapore, if it were to pursue this option?  ]

- Very confident

- Somewhat confident

- Neutral

- Not very confident

- Not confident at all


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:12 am]

1. I think our energy needs and security is like our water needs and security as pointed out by our Government.

2. Without water we can't survive and industries cannot operate.

3. Likewise without electricity power - we and industries cannot function.

4. With geopolitical tension, disruption to trade supply chain, war etc - a high risk that our traditional supply of natural gas and fuel will be cut.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:15 am]

5. Hence securing a reliable source of electricity is of vital important.

6. Though we can jointly collaborate with ASEAN countries to build energy plants offshore due to our limited lands - but if any untoward events happen like border war, South China Sea conflict etc - our energy supply will still be cut.

7. Hence having energy plant within our territory is still imperative.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:20 am]

1. We have a few sources of energy:-

a. Imported natural gas, solar grid, hydropower, fuel.

b. We install solar panels on HDB flat roof top - but yield is small can only power common areas and unstable supply depending on availability of sun.

c. We also discover geothermal energy in sembawang with hot water vapour underground that can generate electricity - but yield also not sufficient for our needs.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:28 am]

2. Hence we need higher yield energy sources to ensure all our housing needs, offices, industries and retails etc can be powered up without disruption and unstable supply.


3. These will leave us with 2 other options:-

a. Hydrogen gas driven electricity produce from water H20 through electrolysis.


b. Nuclear energy source that can come from 3 types of nuclear reactions:-

i. Nuclear fission by splitting atoms that produce enormous of heat to generate electricity through traditional nuclear reactors - but produce alot of nuclear waste that is radioactive.

ii. Nuclear fission through SMR - small modular reactors - produce lesser nuclear waste hence safer.

iii. Nuclear fusion by fusing hydrogen atoms to produce heat and generate electricity. This is the safest nuclear reactions as it has negligible nuclear waste as it produce extremely hot plasma.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:33 am]

4. Understand that to perform electrolysis to split seawater hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O) (which is abundant around us) - seems to be the most logical steps (equivalent to dig petrol from the ground like in Middle East) - but there are challenges.

5. But we need to have electricity power (passing electric current) to perform the electrolysis that require fuel (in which we don't have).

6. So it come back to the square one - power through hydrogen gas not a good option.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:38 am]

7. So we are now left with one option - nuclear power.


8. Nuclear fission with traditional nuclear reactors are not very safe as it produce alot of radioactive waste and need a bigger land space - hence not suitable for Singapore.


9. We left with 2 alternatives:-

a. Nuclear fission with SMR.

b. Nuclear fusion.

Both of these options are not yet in full production but have alot of potential.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:44 am]

1. Let us talk about nuclear fusion that involves fusing hydrogen atoms to produce heat and generate electricity.

2. To produce hot plasma through fusion of hydrogen atoms - high energy input like laser with be required.

3. But currently, higher input energy is required more than the production of energy output.

4. Hence nuclear fusion to produce electricity also don't look viable.

5. So we are now leave with only one last option - nuclear fission through SMR.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 11:51 am]

1. Nuclear fission through SMR require smaller land space.

2. It is modular, and can add on when more energy needs are required.

3. Even though nuclear fission will produce radioactive waste - but it is a very small amount and the risk to health can be minimised and managed. 

4. However thinking aloud, can we use offshore islands to place our nuclear fission with SMR and pipe back electricity to our mainland?

This will reduce our worry of radioactive material affecting our health.

5. In retrospect, Government can disseminate more information how nuclear fission with SMR will not affect our health.

6. Also in the event of accident like what happens to Fukushima, or sabotage or fire etc - how nuclear fission will not transmit radioactive material through the air or sea and impact our health.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:16 pm]

nuclear power energy is a one way ticket to destruction for Singapore.

i am not optimistic about it..look at japan.

and Singapore is not that far , in geological distance, from the tectonic plate fault lines.

thus not immune to earthquake in the future.

anything mishap at the nuclear power plant..... Singapore will be doomed.

.......

think thrice and thrice more...do not jump into the conclusion Nuclear power energy is the solution for Singapore.

...............

I seen the video on the person who says Singapore has the right condition for nuclear power energy.

really...his objective is to secure business and money for it...thus he is saying good things about Singapore how we have the right condition for a nuclear power plant.

.......

mark my warning.

nuclear power plant energy is a one way doom ticket for Singapore.

in all area. safety and defense wise.

DO NOT TREAD LIGHTLY into nuclear power.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:19 pm]

SAFETY wise it IS A PROBLEM.

DEFENSE wise it IS EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC.

.MUST EMPHASIZE THIS AGAIN SO IT WILL SINK IN DEEP INTO THE CONSIDERATION for the government

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:22 pm]

Nuclear anything happens you got no way to run in Singapore


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:22 pm]

Thinking aloud, probably placing the SMR in Jurong Island where all our petrochemical plants and oil refinery are - could be one viable choice.

As these island has all the safety and security measures put in place.

Also it is far from the mainland.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:23 pm]

Singapore is too crowded even a camp need to make way for residential

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:23 pm]

So do we have space for safety for nuclear

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:24 pm]

Unless you build it off island

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:25 pm]

Somewhere near st John maybe


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:25 pm]

SMR is as safe as any petrochemical plants or oil refinery.

If we feel that petrochemical plants and oil refinery in Jurong island is safe, then SMR and nuclear fusion reactor is safe.

It don't spread radioactive material like nuclear fission reactors like the Fukushima or Chernobyl nuclear reactors.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:25 pm]

Somewhere in the north Malaysia will not be happy


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:26 pm]

Jurong island is one big island, south of Singapore.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:27 pm]

I mean nuclear is the way to go if it is safely made but the main concern is just safety. We need to prepare for the worst. Nothing is 100%safe.

 what happens if it explodes. What are the plans and damage


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:27 pm]

Very far from Indonesia and encircled by many Singapore small islands.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:28 pm]

But consider near to Malaysia

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:29 pm]

Cause error tends to happen. And there's a probability everything goes wrong.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:30 pm]

Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) and Safety

- *Containment Design*: SMRs are designed with multiple containment structures to prevent the release of radioactive materials in the event of an accident.

- *Passive Safety Features*: Many SMR designs incorporate passive safety features that can cool the reactor without the need for an external power source, reducing the risk of radioactive material release.

Radioactive Material Release

- *Multiple Barriers*: SMRs have multiple barriers to prevent radioactive material release, including the fuel matrix, cladding, reactor vessel, and containment building.

- *Accident Scenarios*: While unlikely, if an accident were to occur, the design of SMRs aims to minimize the release of radioactive materials.

Environmental Impact

- *Site Selection*: SMRs are typically designed to be sited closer to population centers, but still require careful site selection to ensure safety and minimize potential environmental impact.

- *Waste Management*: SMRs produce less waste than traditional reactors, and the waste management strategies are designed to minimize environmental impact.

Regulatory Oversight

- *Safety Standards*: SMRs must meet strict safety standards and regulations set by nuclear regulatory bodies.

- *Public Safety*: The primary goal of these regulations is to ensure public safety and minimize the risk of radioactive material release.

Do you want to explore more about SMR safety, nuclear energy, or advanced reactor designs?

Source :- Meta AI


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:31 pm]

Yes another thing is radioactive waste

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:31 pm]

Where shall we store them


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:31 pm]

When Iran 3 nuclear reactors (those traditional type) were bomb by US penetration bombs - no radioactive spread was discovered.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:32 pm]

A container in which the radioactive waste will decompose and become harmless.

SMR produce very little waste.


Adam, [28/7/2025 12:33 pm]

Our nuclear energy plants will work as perfectly as our mrt 💪💪💪

Adam, [28/7/2025 12:33 pm]

Hopefully we dont overmaintain. Imagine spending too much


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:34 pm]

Even if Singapore don't use nuclear for our energy needs - ASEAN countries will be doing so.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:35 pm]

The half-life of nuclear waste varies greatly depending on the specific isotopes present, ranging from days to billions of years. For example, some fission products like cesium-137 and strontium-90 have half-lives of about 30 years, while actinides like plutonium-239 can have half-lives of 24,000 years, and uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years. 


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:37 pm]

Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) and Radioactive Waste

- *Waste Forms*: SMRs produce radioactive waste in various forms, including spent fuel assemblies and other radioactive materials.

- *Storage Containers*: Radioactive waste is typically stored in specially designed containers or dry casks that provide multiple barriers to prevent leakage.

Waste Management Strategies

- *Dry Cask Storage*: Spent fuel is often stored in dry casks, which are designed to be safe and secure for long-term storage.

- *Deep Geological Disposal*: Some countries are exploring deep geological disposal as a long-term solution for radioactive waste.

Radioactive Decay

- *Half-Life*: Radioactive materials decay over time, with each isotope having a specific half-life.

- *Long-Term Storage*: While radioactive materials do decay, they can remain hazardous for thousands to millions of years, requiring careful long-term storage and management.

Research and Development

- *Advanced Waste Management*: Researchers are exploring new technologies and strategies for managing radioactive waste, including advanced reactor designs and waste treatment processes.

Do you want to explore more about radioactive waste management, SMRs, or advanced nuclear technologies?

Source:- Meta AI


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:38 pm]

Do we have the space

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:38 pm]

Are we exporting them? To where and whom


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:38 pm]

Jurong island is one that I can think off and suggested.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:39 pm]

Government to provide answers in discussion with IAEA.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:40 pm]

We already have pulau semakau problem and we definitely cannot do things like Japan

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:43 pm]

that is their problem and they have the land mass to build it at a distance from city area...they can even move the city to another place.

.......

not for Singapore.

Singapore is already vulnerable because of our small size...not wise to add on a fatal achilles' heel to Singapore's vulnerability. Defense wise it is a fatal weak spot.

we have really wait for new form of energy technology...just like we waited for decades still newater....even with newater it still cannot solve Singapore's water problem.

........

REALLY NOT WISE TO HAVE NUCLEAR PLANT IN SINGAPORE.

.......


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:45 pm]

Thinking aloud, what happens if Malaysia put a nuclear plant in Johor?

And Indonesia put a nuclear plant in Batam?

Can we tell our neighbours not to?


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:48 pm]

They can as they have the land mass

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:49 pm]

They can put at least a Singapore distance away from city


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:49 pm]

That's what previously M say put one in Johor near to Singapore.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:50 pm]

We will of course dismay and try to stop them


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:50 pm]

How to stop?


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:52 pm]

If they build close to Singapore we can hire online people to change their people mindset. And once resistance is too high they will not build

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:52 pm]

Unless they build place like ulu ulu which will be far from sg


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:52 pm]

Hahaha.

Good try.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:54 pm]

For batam no gov will build there as it's a tourist destination for Singapore and they will lose out

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:54 pm]

Same goes to jb

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:54 pm]

first of all johor sultan will have to agree....and he is likely to object...unless they have malicious intention...then that is a possibility...

they do not have the money for it yet, may be they do, but it is not on their menu of consideration yet.

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 12:55 pm]

Maybe they will choose sarawak first lol


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:55 pm]

I think we are wishing against something that we cannot control.

Trump has done the impossible, the unthinkable that the whole world think only crazy people will do.

Yet it happens.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:56 pm]

we off track.

the key point is defenses and safety..

thus not wise for Singapore to build nuclear power energy plant.

the current nuclear technology is for power output but the handling of nuclear waste still yet to mature into a safe handling level.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 12:58 pm]

The nuclear waste can be buried deep underground into an offshore islands in fail safe containers.

In fact the nuclear waste not a big amount even if the nuclear plants are to run for decades.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 12:59 pm]

off track a bit... maybe government has a plan for Singaporean to become mutants....after generation....there maybe generation of Singaporean able to live with the nuclear waste just like a new form of fungus found thriving on nuclear radiation wastes..

( a long shot and hopefully fantasy)

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:00 pm]

The fungus was not just surviving the immense radiation levels in the reactor building, but seemed to be thriving – even growing towards the very highest levels of gamma radiation. The resilient black fungus is called Cladosporium sphaerospermum and it was observed to thrive where the radiation was highest.1 Feb 2025

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:02 pm]

Maker Faire Rome A Black Fungus Might Be Healing Chernobyl By Drinking Radiation

https://makerfairerome.eu/en/blog/a-black-fungus-might-be-healing-chernobyl-by-drinking-radiation/


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:03 pm]

If Singapore build our nuclear reactors, we gain experience and know how to manage the risks.

Hence if our neighbours are building one near us, we have the expertise to advise and manage the risks.

If we don't even build one, then how to advise or communicate with our neighbours if they are building nuclear reactors near us?


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:03 pm]

Singapore should endure a bit more until a much more safer way of handling nuclear waste and a proper defense plan before embarking on nucelar power as energy source.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:04 pm]

We will be at the mercy of our neighbours.

That's, if you don't have experience in building and running nuclear reactors, why should we listen to you?

In the end, we suffer more than if we have build one and manage it well.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:05 pm]

this is based on friendly neighbors.

Malaysia is growing more extreme year on year especially when PAS is slowly gaining more parliamentary seats year on year.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:08 pm]

With unfriendly neighbours, at least we have the expertise and experience to run nuclear reactors and we can come out with contingency plans how to respond.

If we don't even have experience with nuclear reactors, then we are as good as a paper tiger - can only make noise but cannot execute any good contingency plans to contain the risks.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:11 pm]

The not in my backyard analogy

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:12 pm]

So yeah far from residential area. My first thought was build one in tekong


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:12 pm]

375. I post in REACH (Telegram) LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:02 pm]:-

9. However I feel that if parents or abusers turn themselves in or willing to rehabilitate, punishment should be more lenient - to encourage people to rehabilitate.

Such as no imprisonment but must accept rehabilitation and monitoring.

10. If the penalties are too severe, parents and abusers will dodge rather than submit themselves for rehabilitation.

11. But if they are arrested by authorities, then they should be treated like other drug abusers.

12. Drug laced vaping traffickers should be treated like traditional drug traffickers.

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CNA news 25 Jul 2025 03:43PM (Updated: 25 Jul 2025 06:13PM)

'Vape bins' to be placed across Singapore; no penalties for surrendering devices.

The move comes ahead of a reclassification of etomidate - an anaesthetic agent increasingly misused via e-vaporisers - as an illegal drug.

Vape users are encouraged to dispose of their e-vaporisers in bins that will be placed across 24 locations in Singapore from Friday (Jul 25), as part of efforts to get people to quit the habit. 

Vaping is illegal in Singapore, and authorities have been trying to crack down on a rising number of cases. 

"Persons who come forward to bin their e-vaporisers or voluntarily seek support for quitting will not face any penalties for doing so," said the Ministry of Health (MOH), the Health Sciences Authority and the People's Association (PA) in a joint media release.

Under the new initiative, called "Bin the Vape", e-vaporiser disposal bins are being placed at 23 community clubs and one Residents' Network Centre for the public to voluntarily dispose of their devices safely.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:14 pm]

As you need military to protect it


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:15 pm]

Tekong is our recruit training areas.

Not a good location.

Also Jurong island infrastructure to hold energy plants are ready and can easily integrate SMR into the electricity power micro grid.

In tekong we need to invest another billions of dollars to build up all the energy infrastructure.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:19 pm]

The only thing needed to address is radioactive waste in a long run


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:20 pm]

Jurong island micro grid run from Jurong island and come into the mainland through Jurong industrial site and spread into all our housing estates and central districts.

Tekong nearest is Changi airport.

Are we going to dig into Changi airport, a new power grid infrastructure and then spread it to Jurong and other housing estates?

I think another hundred billions of dollars and alot of digging throughout whole Singapore is needed.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:20 pm]

And how to protect it in the event of war

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:20 pm]

And terrorist

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:20 pm]

If the technology is safe enough


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:21 pm]

Just buried it deep into one offshore islands for waste.

Not alot of containers needed - as the radioactive waste very little.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:21 pm]

But it accumulates. You are not using it for short term

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:21 pm]

what are the alternative? 

weighing the odds, safety, and defense...it is better to wait for new breakthrough in energy source.

than to prematurely jump in and commit on nuclear power.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:21 pm]

How we protect our petrochemical plants and oil refinery in Jurong is how we protect the SMR.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:22 pm]

petrochemical is somehow different from nuclear power plant.

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:22 pm]

Yeah


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:22 pm]

Even running into many decades, the island won't be full up with the containers.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:22 pm]

Will it cause chain reaction

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:22 pm]

Pulau semakau


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:23 pm]

Petrochemical plants can have toxic smoke.

Radioactive material also radioactive cloud.

All can have impact on human health.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:24 pm]

If petrol chemical fail and explode will it cause a chain reaction to nuclear plants

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:24 pm]

Vice versa


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:24 pm]

Possible dumping site for nuclear waste.

But it is better for our government working with IAEA to advise.

Because IAEA is our consultant experts.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:25 pm]

Nuclear fission is very different from fuel explosion.

Nuclear fission is atom splitting not explosion.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:25 pm]

I mean there's not enough space for our normal waste liao is there enough space for radioactive

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:26 pm]

just like the expert on our MRT system...only to realize there is upgrading and maintenance problem decades later?

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:26 pm]

And another thing is security once Jurong island conquer there will have no back up supply

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:27 pm]

decades later...oops...we having problems handling nuclear waste and a bigger problem in defenses and safety of nuclear power plant.

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:28 pm]

Building a facility is simple but maintain it is not so simple

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:28 pm]

aggressive invader comes....then we say to the aggressors...no no no don't aim the nuclear power plant....we surrender?

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:30 pm]

You can build now and later SG200 haibesh

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:32 pm]

We need to do it in the Singaporean style Kia si and Kia su at the same time


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:32 pm]

Well, handling nuclear waste is up to our government discussion with IAEA who are our nuclear experts.

I think they will explore all possibilities.

What we are discussing now are some layman discussion with whatever limited information that we have.

But I intuitively feel that SMR is not an insurmountable obstacle to breach.

In fact, it is as safe as whatever petrochemical plants or oil refinery we have.

Whatever security and safety we have build into Jurong island, I think it is possible to secure our SMR if we build it in conjunction with expertise from IAEA.

In fact IAEA will provide intense scrutiny to ensure how we build the SMR is safe not only for Singapore but for the whole world community.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:34 pm]

The same arguments as our neighbours building nuclear reactors next to us.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:35 pm]

Since it's small and safe why not in tekong where it provide a backup in security. If Jurong island fail we have tekong

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:36 pm]

Eggs cannot put in one basket

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:36 pm]

not same arguments.

Singapore survival is based on equality, openness and tolerance, and more importantly secularism.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:36 pm]

Unless you're willing to dig out another hundred billions of $ to build micro grid infrastructure from tekong to Singapore plus digging throughout Singapore.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:37 pm]

This also provides electricity for tekong to train


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:38 pm]

You say aggressors bomb our nuclear reactors we die.

If our neighbours turn hostile and build nuclear reactors next to us and decide to bomb it?


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:40 pm]

die lor..

before that why creating a fatal achellie's heel...

.....

lets wait further for a better energy sources..or until a safer way to recycling nuclear waste.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:40 pm]

I think you didn't get my point.

Building a nuclear reactor is not a silo.

It needs to connect to all the buildings in Singapore to provide electricity through a massive power grids.

Currently all the web of power grids are running and tunnel from Jurong island to all our houses, offices and industries estates.

Are we going to build the same massive power grids from Tekong and Changi airport where our planes are flying?


G, [28/7/2025 1:41 pm]

The way this is presented, nuclear energy in SG is a done deal already

Most we can do is station the nuclear plant in a place where any potential nuclear fallout will guarantee collateral damage to aggressors to deter them from any funny business

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:45 pm]

Why not. I heard plans and land reclaimation on going in tekong


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:45 pm]

I think I give up.....


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:45 pm]

And can extend to ubin

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:46 pm]

I think our smart engineers will have a solution


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:48 pm]

Probably an electrical engineer can better explain how those micro grids work.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 1:49 pm]

wait further.. don't be too eager to dig a hole where Singapore cannot out of decades later.

.......

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:51 pm]

I think better halt first as we really don't have enough land to do it

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:54 pm]

This one wait for authorities to decide where to build.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:55 pm]

I will not want want my children and grandchildren to train in Pulau Tekong firing blanks, throw thunder flash next to a SMR nuclear reactors.

Wonder if our government allow soldiers to run around shooting blanks and throwing thunder flash in Jurong island where our petrochemical plants and oil refineries are around or not?

Probably we can see alot of fireworks and huge explosion in Jurong island.

Or now we see nuclear reactors exploding when our recruits shoot blanks and throw thunder flash into the nuclear reactors in Pulau Tekong....


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:56 pm]

Tekong is a big area...

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 1:57 pm]

Nobody ask you to build by the camp


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 1:57 pm]

Jurong island is bigger than Pulau Tekong.

Even smoking is strictly disallowed much less firing blanks and throwing explosives like thunder flash?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:00 pm]

Jurong island is 32 km sq.

Pulau Tekong is 25 km sq.

Though Pulau Tekong is under reclamation and land space expanding.


REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 2:01 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Hanny: [28/7/2025 2:01 pm]
Nuclear energy is the only way going forward for Singapore and its neighbors. Small nuclear reactors using technologies that do not radioactive material will be more common in the near future. Look at molten salt reactors.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:03 pm]

Yes.

We have no other better alternatives.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:03 pm]

Let's build it on semakau island then as I really don't want all our power plants cramp together

Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:05 pm]

Johor sez is an excellent place because it requires a lot of energy due to data centers development.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:05 pm]

Molten salt reactors can use nuclear waste as fuel.

I think one good way to dispose off toxic radioactive waste.

No need to store in containers for disposal some more.

Good idea.

In fact, MSR also use to generate electricity and hydrogen production.

Another option for electricity generation.


Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:06 pm]

Joint development with Neighbours would allay the fears

Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:07 pm]

Prosper together

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:07 pm]

If Malaysia agrees


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:07 pm]

A possible good idea.

But also I think we need to build one within our territorial boundary in case we are cut off from access in the event of hostility.

Eg. Threaten to cut our water supply.

Hence Jurong island is one option.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:09 pm]

the world has yet to handle nuclear waste safely....

why rush into it...and face the fatal problem it brings Singapore decades later?

safety and defense issues added on to the problem with no satisfactory solution.

.....

i still think it is better to endure and wait further. rather than face the consequence of the problem brought by nuclear power.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:09 pm]

How about build at the island that near to potential customer? since our population is small, the excess electricity can be sold to them.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:11 pm]

If we plan better, we should be able to handle nuclear incident.... with What-if scenario, we could create SOP.... as long as the we can cover all the What-if, I think it should be fine.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:13 pm]

Yes.

We have no choice, no other good options.

In fact when we build our petrochemical plants and oil refinery in Jurong island in 2009, there are also many opposing voices.

Say if fire, explosion - then Singapore electricity cut off and our cloud will be full of toxicity and we all die.

After 26 years, we are safe and still humming.

No one raise objections anymore.

In fact, there is fire in one refinery if I recalled.

But it is well segregated and fire are well contained and did not spread to other refineries because of all the safety features build into it.


Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:15 pm]

It is the same thing... other countries had already started... How they handle the nuclear waste? Send it to moon? 😅😅

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:16 pm]

the problem Singapore facing with MRT system , a super hot potatoe that most MPs does not want to be handling already shows that though Singapore has put on effort of consideration all possibility, but there is still area Singapore overlooked.

.....

the recent sinkhole issues...caused by water from burst pipe or sewage..

is also another concern that Singapore still has room to to consider in terms of safety.

.........

please do wait and tough it out for a moment longer.

once embarked on nuclear power, there will be no turning back ....

things will turn badly very quickly.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:20 pm]

It is all engineering issue.... If all the road is made of concrete (Hard pavement), we might not have sinkhole... until the sinkhole is big enough.... If we are too afraid to advance, then we will hentak kaki... Yes, there will be risk for everything we do.... but by doing nothing, we know that we won't survive either.

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:22 pm]

It's about safety and maintenance. Building it was never an issue

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:23 pm]

And how to defend it as in war we have seen many targets nuclear facility first

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:23 pm]

Agree... that's why I said, as long as we have SOP in place for "What-if" scenario, then it would be wise to embark on new technology...

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:24 pm]

We are in the era of war where war are easily break out.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:25 pm]

Combine it with political strategy.... That's why we made friends with many countries.

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:25 pm]

it is a no turning back route....

......

best to think very very very carefully...

......

if we do not learn the lesson from our mry system and sinkhole safety...it will come to haunt Singapore years later after the nuclear power is built...which will be even tougher to handle than just disruptive MRT service.

it has life and death consequences

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:26 pm]

Building it deep underground is a option

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:26 pm]

In order to prevent sinkhole, you could build piling foundation... but piling foundation is not suitable for roads... but it is suitble for building...

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:27 pm]

The only thing I worry is nuclear waste

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:27 pm]

Gov needs to come out with plan for it

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:28 pm]

Some say no need to worry... Very little waste. But waste is still waste it will accumulates and half life is quite long

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:29 pm]

you missing the point..

there could be things that the government missed out when considering to build nuclear power..... which will have life and death consequences for Singapore years or decades later.

stop thinking narrowly on the sinkhole.

......

look at a broader perspective, including safety and defenses.

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:30 pm]

enough of wasting time. enjoy debatimg ovrr it.

driving taxi now.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:31 pm]

SOP.... if SOP is missed out... then they don't do homework properly.... SOP also includes safety and defenses.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:33 pm]

Also, I only reply on your concern on sinkhole... however, you could also apply the thinking framework on other cases.... anyway, if we don't adapt in this new advanced world, we will extinct.

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:39 pm]

Ancel Keys, a physiologist, proposed the lipid-heart hypothesis in the 1950s, suggesting that high intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol lead to heart disease. This hypothesis, particularly his Seven Countries Study (https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rev2&sca_esv=ef5f6f2b1a614c94&cs=0&sxsrf=AE3TifMpRoHdfEJDyobdstTOz9joFsqIEQ%3A1753684321923&q=Seven+Countries+Study&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBtZeY996OAxVLZWwGHeCaOR4QxccNegQIBBAB&mstk=AUtExfBWCMYA9Bv9rQVNw4Umq_ouWCRt3mOMWZi_ceKmmfna5C69ldC52e9PA_JYBaj1Y_-uRJHWcysbD-e0bZiJJNDMFrL7D-YuHrKH_oKEyD5dt_smEtE2uV60-zkpzSdbOKy1WDPrIgXhcd33I0-TKpvAIO1B_yLibzzhSWTUqOlsMgGXbZzrbLubdwqTG8mXzAAduaqJ_3To3lC0ESJu3nMhuY9jYVIgnz9KxZafHriF6O5xwtshxZoYX28oxQS7wE82-PUXu0LiHGoi443oP6pc&csui=3), influenced dietary guidelines to reduce saturated fat intake. However, his work has been criticized for cherry-picking data and oversimplifying the relationship between fat and heart health. 

ancel keys lied about fats...and because of his lies....wasted population's life for decades....causing health issue with his faulty reports on fats.

......

this Mr Grossi is making a sales pitch...trying to convince Singapore government to build nuclear power..

to him it is a business and money..

it is totally different for Singapore..once Built and anything missed out ....it is Singaporeans' lives and livelihood at stake.

..............

孙子曰,

兵者国之大事,死生之地,存亡之道,不可不察也。

.......

the miscalculation of MRT system already causing problem to Singapore and Singaporeans...and we only realize it decades later..

......

imagine the fatal problem nuclear power will bring if Singapore government miscalculated the pro and cons.

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:40 pm]

by then Singapore will cease to be the shinning little red dot..

it will be the little radioactive red dot.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:41 pm]

If we don't have MRT, Singaporeans cannot easily travel to any parts of Singapore.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:42 pm]

When I travel overseas, I begin to realise how efficient is Singapore in travelling.

Mainly due to Singapore MRT.

And travelling in Singapore is comfortable, cooling and can reach many parts of Singapore very easily and efficiently.

Whereas in overseas, travelling is a big headache - traffic jam, not friendly public transport, hire cabs or private hire more expensive and caught in jam.

When I come back to Singapore and travel in MRT, it is like comparison of heaven and h...

I feel so relief to have stayed in Singapore.

Never mind the cheap car prices overseas - always caught in jam, haphazard traffic and insufficient car park to park.


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:42 pm]

yet the consequences is different between MRT and Nuclear power.

just inconvenience on disruptive MRT service.

for nuclear power...it is life and death issue.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:43 pm]

From your sample, isn't it the hypothesis report is not being analysed deep enough? Should we build SOP to prevent this thing to happen in future for new invention or report? If you don't build MRT, we will be like Jakarta, bangkok where traffic jam is hell... needs 3 hours to travel.... how much Singapore will lose time and $$ if there is no MRT? Just Imagine, In jakarta, the distance can be travelled only 15 mins at night (No traffic) had to be done in 2 hours due to traffic jam.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:44 pm]

Nope .... if SOP is stringent and good enough...

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:45 pm]

you are assumption with sop it will solve the problem.

we do not know what we do not know..

we do not know what we might missed out during consideration and planning..and the consequences is fatal for Singapore.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:47 pm]

Bro... I believe most companies in Singapore had SOP... can we tell them that you don't know their own SOP.... Come on.... be honest... at least to yourself... of course SOP is created by person who is specialised in its industries... don't expect person like you and me to create SOP for Nuclear facility...😆😆

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:48 pm]

Singapore missed out the maintenance, upgrading and renewal of MRT system... decades ago...

what makes us think Singapore government will not commit the same mistake for nuclear power which has a much more fatal consequences for Singapore than just disruption in MRT system and services

Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:48 pm]

currently No amount of SOP will solve the MRT system problem... maintenance, upgrading and renewal.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:49 pm]

Do we have to discuss this? Of course after SOP had been created... we need to do and check... ever heard ISO... Your question is like.... Singapore had the law.... how come there is still crime? come on...

Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:49 pm]

If Singapore were to go nuclear, it has to be a technology that does not use uranium. This technology is advancing rapidly.

Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:50 pm]

Should a disaster occur, no radioactive leaks would happen.

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:50 pm]

Whatever it is.... let the expert think and decide... My point is.. it is better to try...rather than sit and do nothing.... and waiting for our doom....


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:51 pm]

Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) and Fuel

- *Uranium Fuel*: Many SMR designs use uranium as the fuel for nuclear fission, similar to traditional nuclear reactors.

- *Low-Enriched Uranium (LEU)*: SMRs typically use LEU, which has a lower enrichment level than the highly enriched uranium used in some research reactors or naval reactors.

Fuel Cycle

- *Fuel Form*: The uranium fuel is often in the form of uranium dioxide (UO2) pellets, which are loaded into fuel rods.

- *Fuel Efficiency*: Some SMR designs aim to improve fuel efficiency and reduce waste production through advanced fuel cycles or design features.

Alternative Fuel Options

- *Advanced Fuels*: Some SMR designs are exploring alternative fuels, such as uranium nitride or other advanced fuel forms, which could offer improved performance or safety characteristics.

Do you want to explore more about SMR fuel cycles, advanced reactor designs, or nuclear energy applications?

Source:- Meta AI


Joomua Tng, [28/7/2025 2:51 pm]

by then when we found out what was missed out is already too late.

....anyway i really have to drive taxi..

enjoy the debate on an important subject.of Singapore life and death.

.........

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:51 pm]

BTW, do you take transport to work? or walk? since you are very conservative...

Hanny, [28/7/2025 2:53 pm]

I don’t have car

Ahin, [28/7/2025 2:53 pm]

Don't take bus or car.. because they might explode and you will be trapped inside....

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:53 pm]

Google say nuclear fusion reactor


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 2:53 pm]

Nuclear fusion is different from nuclear fission SMR.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:54 pm]

It's produce very little waste

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:56 pm]

Smr despite their smaller size may produce more nuclear waste

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 2:57 pm]

From Gemini ai


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:00 pm]

Nuclear fusion fuse 2 hydrogen atoms together to produce plasma - like the Sun.

It don't produce nuclear waste.

The hot plasma produce heat to turn turbine and generate electricity.

The challenge is how to fuse 2 hydrogen atoms with laser knocking 2 atoms at high speed - that requires alot of laser energy.

The laser energy input is much higher than output.

Hence it don't make sense to use nuclear fusion to produce electricity.

Also need tokamaks - a doughnut device to hold the hot plasma through magnetic field to enable high pressure, high temperature for nuclear fusion to take place.

Hence nuclear fusion option is not viable.

Like Sun that produce plasma, it is not radioactive.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:01 pm]

In the future yes.i have faith in nus


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:01 pm]

Hanny is supportive of nuclear SMR.

I think you got the wrong guy.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:02 pm]

If they never give a good ans in nuclear waste I think will not give a green light


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:04 pm]

Hanny suggested MSR - molten salt reactors that make use of nuclear waste as fuel.

So no need to dispose off the nuclear waste.

Of course government need to assess with IAEA whether this is feasible as they are the experts.


RY, [28/7/2025 3:27 pm]

Science journals: Nuclear fusion and the promise and challenges of making energy like the sun | The Straits Times https://share.google/UlsJEzZEfFpz04bps

RY, [28/7/2025 3:28 pm]

SG may consider Nuclear Fusion Power, if the experimental is successful and commercialise in future

RY, [28/7/2025 3:30 pm]

Nuclear Fusion Power - World Nuclear Association https://share.google/GORL5bjaeKuPBg6sF

RY, [28/7/2025 3:32 pm]

Check out this video from this search, sun fusion power https://g.co/kgs/oGEHsKr

RY, [28/7/2025 3:36 pm]

Hope to see more experimental breakthroughs in the "artificial sun" power 

If it is successful, it may solve most of the other energy pros & cons &  problems and even global energy pollution issues

RY, [28/7/2025 3:43 pm]

Nuclear power is just one of energy source among other renewable energy 

SG govt may have to seriously consider using nuclear as alternative energy, as too many issues to resolve and do have the nec expertise to support nuclear plants, and what if any accidents will to occur, which may cause detrimental mankind health and environment issues (eg Japan  nuclear waste into sea)


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:44 pm]

It needs 250 football size to hold the nuclear fusion plant.

Singapore won't have such spaces.

Also the technology is very far away from commercially viable.

It would also be important for these plants to produce more energy than they consume, which fusion experiments have not yet been able to do.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:50 pm]

The issue is :-

If our neighbours move faster than us in nuclear reactors, it will be more dangerous for us.

If we move ahead first with all the safety measures in place, we can control the narrative and nudge our neighbours into a safer implementation.

The reverse will be disastrous for us - because we need to be technically advanced.


Nicholas, [28/7/2025 3:51 pm]

My view is that we should avoid nuclear, as frenemies could use that as a pretext to bomb us, even though the intend is to use it for civilian purposes. Just look at what happened in Iran, even though they have said all along that they are not intending to build a nuclear bomb, the USA still bombed them.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:53 pm]

Then let us imagine the scenario whereby all ASEAN countries build nuclear reactors except Singapore.

What will be the consequences?


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:55 pm]

Then we just import electricity in lor

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:55 pm]

By then it will be safe to explore nuclear


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:55 pm]

I think you didn't think deeply enough.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:56 pm]

Or other sources of energy


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:57 pm]

It is not only about energy.


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 3:57 pm]

Then what weapons?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 3:59 pm]

I have already paint the scenario, Malaysia build nuclear reactors in Johor, Indonesia build nuclear reactors in Bintan and Batam.

Singapore build nothing.

Then how safe will be Singapore?

How Singapore control the narrative of how nuclear reactors should be built to avoid risk when we don't even know what is nuclear reactors when we don't have one?


Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 4:02 pm]

But Singapore is just too small and the environmental impact is huge

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 4:03 pm]

Unless you build it deep down 2okm


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:03 pm]

SMR is safe even in high population density.

IAEA the nuclear experts has already confirmed that.


REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 4:05 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 4:06 pm]

Like I said govt needs to address all questions first


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:06 pm]

And if Johor build just few km away from Singapore, you think is safe for Singapore?


RY, [28/7/2025 4:08 pm]

U agree that nuclear has safety issues whether it is built by our neighbouring countries or SG ourselves


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:08 pm]

And if we advise Johor how nuclear reactors to be build so as to be safe.

You think Johor will listen to you when we don't even have one?

How do you control your nuclear reactors narrative?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:10 pm]

Building nuclear reactors have many types.

Some are safe, some are not.

It is whether we can build a safer one and influence our neighbours which one to build.

If we don't even have one, who will listen to us?


RY, [28/7/2025 4:10 pm]

However I do agree to have own energy, it is better to be reliant on other countries via importing

Look at europe now, who depend on russia for energy supply

Khai Mun L., [28/7/2025 4:13 pm]

By helping/collaborating other countries build their nuclear reactors, we would also gain knowledge on how to better develop our own when the time comes


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:13 pm]

Just like fire is dangerous.

But as long as we can control it, fire is useful to cook for us.

But because fire is dangerous, we don't use it to cook.

This is not the right approach.

The approach is knowing all the risks, know how to control it, then use it to our advantage.

Same approach to SMR nuclear reactors.

It is not as dangerous as it sounds.


Khai Mun L., [28/7/2025 4:15 pm]

If the reason to reject is due to being dangerous, then our existing gas and oil processing plants is the same. Can blow up suddenly and keep emitting cancerous smoke that we breathe in

RY, [28/7/2025 4:15 pm]

We can buy fm country that built artificial sun power eg china, which is experimenting now 

If we dont have the capacity to build ourselves 

Even now, SG energy are mainly buy fm other countries eg natural gas fm indonesia


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:16 pm]

This nuclear reactors thingy is not a new issue.

It was raised in 2013.

My boss point blank ask me should we build a nuclear reactor in 2013.

I was shocked and was thinking about it since then.

And I realise now that if we still procrastinate, Singapore will be in deep shit.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:17 pm]

Nuclear fusion will not be ready until 1/2 century later.


Khai Mun L., [28/7/2025 4:17 pm]

Relating energy self-sufficiency to our water issues with malaysia would be a way to start.

We had been 'held hostage' by neighboring countries in the past

Jun Ming, [28/7/2025 4:22 pm]

My concern is just nuclear waste. As no matter what type of nuclear it will still produce waste.

Japan just throw them into the sea. And most countries just bury it in ground. But for Singapore there is no space to bury and I doubt other countries will accept such waste 

As for safety Japan can do it, other countries can do it should be more or less safe.

RY, [28/7/2025 4:22 pm]

https://youtu.be/E5tnQcS4LwY?si=KEUoQz-hFtrlp3rb

RY, [28/7/2025 4:24 pm]

If this Aussie-SG solar mega-project will to materialise, may solve SG energy issues


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:27 pm]

Singapore power requirements is 13GW currently - and could increase in the future.

Without nuclear energy, we can't meet our power demand.


RY, [28/7/2025 4:39 pm]

https://youtu.be/hVoIi6zI9As?si=CKemrWgClr-gMNq_

RY, [28/7/2025 4:39 pm]

GeoThermal Energy


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:44 pm]

Geothermal energy - yield is not that big.


RY, [28/7/2025 4:45 pm]

Nuclear is not the only solution for energy production 

Many other renewable energy are avail eg solar/geothermal/wind/hydro n etc 

And SG energy should be multi-source and not just one 

If we cant produce, then we import fm other countries


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:46 pm]

Our current low carbon import only meet 5.6GW.

We still need 7.3 GW more.

Only nuclear energy can meet.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 4:47 pm]

Besides nuclear energy is our geopolitical necessity for survival - as ASEAN countries will be going nuclear energy whether we like it or not.

If we are the odd one out - forget about our survival.


RY, [28/7/2025 4:56 pm]

Quite a few countries eg china/usa/europe/japan n etc are already researching into "artificial sun power"

If it is successful one day, it will certainly be the next energy era and breakthrough for mankind 

Sametime resolving the pollution problems 

With our fast tech advancement, lets hope that there is breakthrough for this new energy source and may materialise in near future 🙏

SG may not be able to build the plant, but we may invest and research together

RY, [28/7/2025 5:07 pm]

I cannot decide what ASEAN/other countries do 

But we may decide what SG can do

Learn fm other countries mistakes eg Japan/Chernobyl nuclear disasters to mankind and world eco system 

Why countries are choosing to abandon nuclear plants eg germany/taiwan and etc ?

Hope SG govt may seriously consider, when there are others renewable energy avail also 

If the 'artificial sun power" experimental is successful, it will be the next era of energy revolution


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:08 pm]

1. During conflict, when our water supply is cut, at least we have newater, reservoirs and desalination plants running.

We still have water to drink.


2. If we do not have energy plant and nuclear reactors within our territory, when people cut the power grids, our houses and industries got no electricity.

We cannot see tv, no computer, no internet, no smartphone, cannot cook our food, cannot work in the office, cannot go to bank, our economy go to zero.


RY, [28/7/2025 5:11 pm]

I do agree that energy/water are essential/vital resources for any countries survival/economic growth 👆

Look at europe now whom dependent for russia for energy supply

RY, [28/7/2025 5:12 pm]

And most of SG energy source are imported

RY, [28/7/2025 5:15 pm]

SG govt has many factors to consider if wish to build nuclear plant 

Have to weigh the pros and cons


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:16 pm]

SMR nuclear reactors are safe.

There are thousands of traditional nuclear reactors fission out there in many countries all over the world for many decades and didn't get into accidents.

Except Fukushima and Chernobyl got into accidents, one due to tsunami, the other due to poor design and mismanagement.

Even Ukraine nuclear reactors got bomb around them, Iran 3 nuclear reactors bomb directly on them don't emit radioactive spread because of the containment barriers and other safety measures in place.

SMR nuclear reactor uses even safer Uranium material UO2 pellets (Uranium Oxide pellets) loaded into fuel rods or other advanced fuel form such as uranium nitride - not those traditional Uranium.

This is a LEU - low enrichment uranium that produce very low radioactive.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:21 pm]

In addition, it is protected by multiple barriers that poses almost zero chances of leakage.

It includes multiple containment barriers - fuel matrix, cladding, reactor vessels and containment building.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:26 pm]

Just like lighting up a cooking pot with fire to cook, how can fire be dangerous during cooking and if we properly switch off the fire?

Unless we pour fuel into the fire or don't switch off the fire in cooking stove after cooking - then fire will be dangerous.

Same as SMR nuclear reactor, if the Uranium Oxide pellets (small little pallets) with multiple layers of protection are run - with passive cutoff safety measures that cut off the reactors unlike traditional nuclear fission reactors - why are people so scared about SMR nuclear reactor?


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:29 pm]

It is like a tiger roaming in the wild is dangerous.

But if tiger keep in the cage in a zoo, then people will start to take selfies and wifies - and people don't think is dangerous.

The SMR nuclear reactor is the tiger in the zoo kept in a cage.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 5:36 pm]

1. Previously when our government coin the ideas of newater - recycling water from sewage and drainage, people make noise say yucks, so dirty, so filthy, so unhygienic.

2. Our neighbours M make fun of us with his politicians, say we drink urine.

3. My cousins from Malaysia even come over to Singapore and laugh at us about newater.

I bring a bottle of newater and drink in front of them - and told them this is the urine you are talking about.

I say all humans drink urine and waste water.

Even the river that flow into your reservoirs, got humans and animals pass urine, then go for water treatment and in fact you are drinking it.

I say.

4. Now everyone happily drink the newater.

5. So it is the foresight and vision of our government to be able to see more than the surface - but able to think deeply.

This nuclear energy is another big barrier we need to cross to secure our energy security that are needed for our survival.


REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 6:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:23 pm]

The capacity of Jurong island is very big.

Each SMR nuclear reactor can produce 300 MW of electricity.

To produce the remaining 7.3GW, we need only 24 SMR nuclear reactors in which Jurong island can easily accomodate.

Because the SMR footfall is very small.

100 meters by 20 meters per SMR.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:31 pm]

Jurong island 32 Sq km can easily accomodate 24 SMR nuclear reactors even if line up side by side.


Khai Mun L., [28/7/2025 6:35 pm]

As time pass and technology mature, i believe the issue of nuclear waste would be resolved.

Sg also looking at carbon capture locations by putting containers deep underground. I believe our military ammunition kept same way. Could do the same for nuclear waste.

Nicholas, [28/7/2025 6:40 pm]

There is a safe distance recommended: "The recommended safe distance from a nuclear reactor, in case of an emergency, is within a 10-mile radius for immediate evacuation and a 50-mile radius for potential contamination of water and food supplies. These are defined by the Emergency Planning Zones (EPZ) established by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)."

Khai Mun L., [28/7/2025 6:42 pm]

I assume it is when open air? Likely can decrease distance if there are enought barriers in place


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:44 pm]

The safety distance for Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) within population vicinity isn't strictly defined by a fixed distance, unlike traditional nuclear reactors. Instead, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is adopting a more flexible, risk-informed approach ¹.

*Key Considerations:*

- *Population Density*: The NRC considers population density around potential reactor sites, but the new guidelines allow advanced reactor owners to demonstrate compliance based on potential radiological consequences of accidents specific to their reactor design.

- *Emergency Planning Zone (EPZ)*: The EPZ size will be determined based on the reactor's design and potential accident scenarios, rather than a fixed distance. This approach aims to facilitate emergency preparedness and reduce potential doses to large numbers of people in the event of a severe accident.

- *Site-Specific Factors*: The NRC will consider site-specific factors, including the type of reactor, its safety features, and the surrounding population, when evaluating the suitability of a potential site.

*Regulatory Framework:*

The NRC's revised Regulatory Guide (RG) 4.7 provides a more flexible framework for advanced reactor siting, allowing for ¹:

- *Performance-Based Approach*: Reactor operators can demonstrate compliance with population density rules based on safety features and accident scenarios rather than strict adherence to fixed population density requirements.

- *Technology-Inclusive Approach*: The revised guide accommodates various reactor designs, including SMRs, and allows for more nuanced evaluation of site suitability.

Source:- Meta AI


REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 6:45 pm]

Dear Contributors,

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Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:47 pm]

SMR_Safety_and_Security_TemplateB.pdf

https://gnssn.iaea.org/main/ANNuR/Activity%20Documents%20%20Public/Workshop%20on%20Small%20Modular%20Reactor%20(SMR)%20Safety%20and%20Licensing/SMR_Safety_and_Security_TemplateB.pdf


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:49 pm]

Jurong island safety distance meet the SMR nuclear reactor safety distance requirements.


LCL (Danny 心), [28/7/2025 6:52 pm]

This document is produced by IAEA.

So I think people will be reassured after reading this document.


REACH Singapore, [28/7/2025 7:00 pm]

Dear Contributors

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊


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Wednesday, July 23, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 87 - What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

(SK)

23 Jul 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 9:45 am]

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REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 10:01 am]

📢 Topic 📢

At the Fortune’s Brainstorm AI conference on July 22, Minister for Digital Development and Information Josephine Teo laid out Singapore’s vision to expand beyond AI engineers and scientists by building an intrepid pool of everyday AI users. These are not just tech specialists, but professionals — lawyers, doctors, accountants — who will lead the way in adopting AI within their sectors, and guide their peers in using the tools effectively.

Speaking during a fireside chat titled “Beyond scale: How small nations can lead in the age of AI,” she explained how Singapore’s digital future rests on empowering its 3.5 million-strong workforce to use AI meaningfully — especially across areas like manufacturing, healthcare, and finance.

💬 What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

📌 AI adoption should begin with empowering professionals

“We’re talking about people who are in the professions – lawyers, accountants, doctors – who will become the early adopters of AI, and then they show their peers how to make better use of it,” Mrs Teo said.

She emphasised that beyond the 15,000 AI practitioners Singapore aims to train, the broader goal is to equip the wider workforce with practical, job-relevant AI skills so they can demonstrate how AI adds value to their organisations.

📌 Innovation is not only about scale, but fit and purpose

Mrs Teo highlighted that small states can find their niche in a competitive AI landscape by focusing on local and regional needs.

Referring to AI Singapore’s Sea-Lion model — trained on 13 languages including Malay, Tamil and Javanese — she noted that “large language models that are trained primarily on a Western corpus… will have difficulties being applied in the South-east Asian context.”

She added that, “many companies, when they are thinking about how they can develop, for example, chat assistance that could be useful in our context, they would use a combination of both.” This shows that even smaller nations can contribute meaningfully by tailoring innovation to regional linguistic and cultural realities.

📌 Openness and collaboration remain key to AI governance

Singapore’s approach to AI is grounded in constructive engagement with all partners. Mrs Teo cited ongoing dialogues with both the United States and China on areas such as critical and emerging technologies and digital policy, noting that they reflect “different areas of interest that we mutually believe are important for our own countries.”

She also pointed to ASEAN, where progress toward shared ethical principles for AI is already possible, even if formal standards are still some way off. “There's nothing to prevent us from agreeing on what the ethical principles could look like first,” she said.

🔗 [ST] https://str.sg/mhQA

🔗 [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-artificial-intelligence-ai-josephine-teo-professionals-lawyers-doctors-5251901

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REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : How effective do you think Singapore’s efforts have been in advancing AI adoption in the workforce? ]

- Very effective

- Somewhat effective

- Neutral

- Not very effective

- Not effective at all

REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 11:26 am]

Dear Contributors,

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

Do also share your opinion by participating in our polls! The poll questions are pinned for easy reference, and your vote is anonymous.

Thank you!

Megan 😊

365, [23/7/2025 11:51 am]

Adoption of AI can help improve efficiency. However, the AI currently available is not 100% accurate, so human input and validation is still required.

The question to ask is with the push for more AI adoption, how can we ensure that companies have the appropriate view to adopt AI to enhance their workforce and not replace it?

Job security for the masses aside, AI capabilities isn't at the level where replacement should be a legitimate consideration.

G, [23/7/2025 1:16 pm]

What's the estimate in number of jobs that will be replaced by AI? 

What types of jobs are projected to be replaced by AI?

What's the govt doing about the projected job losses?

What percentage of govt jobs are projected to be replaced by AI and what's the projected tax savings from eliminated overheads?

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:30 pm]

Ya that's the worry of replacing jobs of AI.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:31 pm]

On one hand it helps businesses on workload and identifying potential problems on the other hand businesses does not need so many manual labour to do such analysis

Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 1:32 pm]

But I do worry

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:34 pm]

Now AI buses are on board is there any plans to retrain captain to adapt in such technologies?

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:36 pm]

Companies that don’t use ai will be at disadvantage compared to companies that use ai. 

People need to learn how to use AI. If we don’t use it, our productivity level will drop. That will make us too expensive.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:38 pm]

But a plan and time needed to adopt in it for workers so they don't lose out

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:38 pm]

Community center should start teaching people what AI can do.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:39 pm]

For bus drivers a lot of them are in 50- 60s you can't expect them to understand overnight

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:39 pm]

Ai is still at early stage. Give it a few more years it will do a lot more

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:40 pm]

White collar workers are also affected

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

I have seen friends whose jobs take only 2 hours instead of 2 days because of ai.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

We need to embrace ai.

G, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

It'll be good for replacing very expensive professional services like lawyers and doctors


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

"Big four cut jobs for graduates as AI adds to consulting crisis".

Consultancy jobs traditionally is a pyramid - heavy in fresh graduates and light in middle and top.

With advanced AI, it has now become a inverted pyramid, light in entry level, heavy in middle and the top whereby AI still cannot managed.

 https://observer.co.uk/news/business/article/big-four-cut-jobs-for-graduates-as-ai-adds-to-consulting-crisis#:~:text=Big%20four%20cut%20jobs%20for%20graduates%20as%20AI%20adds%20to%20consulting%20crisis


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:42 pm]

Yes and only 2h of pay

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:43 pm]

Sometimes you think that AI is to replace low wage workers but no they are replacing white collars

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:43 pm]

Don’t look at ai so negatively. My friend becomes more productive.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

Those that cannot adopt ai will lose out.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

As you can see jobs that are affected are doctors and blankers

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

I use ai daily. As long as you use computer in your job, ai can improve your productivity.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:45 pm]

IBM retrenched thousands of people because of ai. It also hired thousands of people because of ai.

G, [23/7/2025 1:45 pm]

Good for culling expensive govt overheads.. But will this somehow translate to higher gst in future because it's more expensive to train and maintain AI systems?

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:47 pm]

In the near term, ai replaces front end workers who don’t meet end users.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:48 pm]

Using an analogy.

1. If the worker still use calculator.

2. Another person use computer spreadsheet - this worker that use spreadsheet will be more productive than the worker that use calculator.

3. A worker that use AI to produce insightful charts and graphs from a vast arrays of spreadsheets - will likewise be more productive than the worker that uses spreadsheet and try to draw conclusions from vast arrays of spreadsheets that he produces.


Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:48 pm]

AI still needs people in the loop.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

Sometimes you think that AI will replace those uneducated like coffeeshop aunties but no they replace office workers wor

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

We need to understand what ai can do


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

Yes.

AI is only a tool.

Human provide critical analysis and draw conclusions that determine important decision making.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:51 pm]

Remember AI still will fall into hallucinations and can provide fake results.

Human must be able to spot such hallucinations and correct the output from AI.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:52 pm]

Sometimes ai do much better than me. So yeah. The recent NTU saga teach me a lesson not to trust ai entirely

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:52 pm]

Medical field has a lot of ai. There is not enough qualified doctors in sg. Ai should help to alleviate the problem. Xray results are analyzed by ai.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:53 pm]

Recently I try to fool an AI with very close to true prompt.

AI invented a result for me as though it is real.

I spotted it and corrected the AI.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

But over reliance of AI makes us dump

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

I see news that doctor use chat gpt to diagnose patients


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

My prompt:-

Deep seek use knowledge filtration?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Filtration - is a near truth prompt.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Meta AI response:-

DeepSeek uses a form of knowledge filtration through its advanced algorithms and natural language processing (NLP) capabilities. Here's how it works:

- *Contextual Understanding*: DeepSeek analyzes the context and intent behind search queries to provide more accurate and relevant results.

- *Data Matching & Filtering*: AI scans relevant databases and uses machine learning to rank the most accurate results.

- *Personalized Output*: DeepSeek delivers contextually refined search results based on user interactions and behavior.

Key Features of DeepSeek's Knowledge Filtration

- *Semantic Analysis*: DeepSeek identifies relationships and connections between different pieces of information, leading to more holistic understanding of data.

- *Natural Language Processing*: DeepSeek understands nuances of human language, including synonyms, context, and intent.

- *Real-Time Data Retrieval*: DeepSeek processes and retrieves data in real-time, ensuring up-to-date information ¹ ² ³.

By leveraging these capabilities, DeepSeek enhances search accuracy and efficiency, making it a powerful tool for various industries like healthcare, finance, and cybersecurity ².


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Meta AI invented a response as though it is real.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

That's why we need to warn not to over rely on it


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

My response to Meta AI:-

DeepSeek use knowledge distillation not filtration - AI you in hallucinations.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

Because sometimes I have a mentality if ai so good why should I study so much things just ask ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:59 pm]

Meta AI response:-

You're correct that techniques like *knowledge distillation* are used in AI models to improve performance and reduce issues like hallucinations.

Knowledge Distillation in AI

- *Purpose*: Knowledge distillation transfers knowledge from a large, complex model (the teacher) to a smaller, more efficient model (the student).

- *Benefits*: This technique can improve the student model's performance, reduce overfitting, and make the model more efficient for deployment.

Hallucinations in AI

- *Definition*: In AI, hallucinations refer to instances where a model generates outputs that are not grounded in the input data or are factually incorrect.

- *Mitigation Strategies*: Techniques like knowledge distillation, along with careful training and validation, can help reduce hallucinations and improve model reliability.

DeepSeek and AI Techniques

- *Implementation Details*: Without specific details on DeepSeek's architecture, it's plausible that techniques like knowledge distillation could be part of its training or optimization process.

- *AI Model Goals*: Generally, AI models aim to balance performance, efficiency, and accuracy, often using various techniques to minimize errors like hallucinations.

Do you want me to expand on knowledge distillation, its applications, or techniques for reducing hallucinations in AI models?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:00 pm]

See the outcome differences between "knowledge distillation" versus "knowledge filtration"?


REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 2:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:03 pm]

I think we are not very good in adopting in AI. Yes we generally need ai. But what is AI in the first place. It's more than just using chat gpt


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:03 pm]

That NTU student happily take the AI produce response and submit as her report citations but fail to spot the AI hallucinations.

That is why she got a "zero".

Hence when workers use AI, approach it with critical thinking.

Not blindly accept it as truth without checking, double , triple verification and most important "critical thinking".


G, [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

At this rate of copy and pasting AI responses into this chat group.. 

How relevant is REACH? 

How is REACH filtering human generated feedback from AI generated ones?

What weightage is REACH putting on human generated feedback vs AI generated ones?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

Chatgpt is an LLM that can use in many fields.

It is a GAI - Generative AI.

Need very powerful GPU and alot of electricity to run.

DeepSeek - knowledge distillation uses a more efficient model of LLM through knowledge distillation - an open source.

Hence use less powerful GPU.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

There's no ai class in school yet. There's not much of corporate training in ai 

The only ai that most people know are chatbot

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:06 pm]

There's no free course that gov recommends as an intro for ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:07 pm]

In future, AI scientists are developing and inventing AGI - agentic AI or Artificial General Intelligence - an AI that can think on its own.

GAI like Chatgpt need to be train on dataset - and its capability are confined to train datasets.

AGI learn on its own.


G, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

So.. want to develop AI in SG. And in turn, to replace jobs for "efficiency"

And from your comment, it looks like it's replacing salary compensation and benefits costs with utilities costs. 

How does this translate for the taxpayer?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

But AGI superintelligence will one day be limited by the lack of electricity on earth to power them.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

You ask people on the street what is GAI and what is AGI. I bet everybody still don't know

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

I don't see adoption in here

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:09 pm]

The lack of basic knowledge of ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:10 pm]

Those fresh graduates that uses AI proficiently will secure a job faster than those graduates that don't.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:12 pm]

Evidently, those companies that are doing well increasingly use AI.

That's the cost invested in AI are bringing good returns.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:13 pm]

Yes. But I don't see a nation wide adoption. We need to depend on our own. How do people wants to spend money and take up time on top of their busy schedule to learn ai especially for a layman person.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:13 pm]

Eg. DBS is a prolific user and investment of AI.

Now is awarded as Top Bank in the World.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

For eg from a pov of a cleaner why do I need to learn ai?

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

And how to choose the correct ai class

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

There's so many ai class out there


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:15 pm]

That's why I previously say, government need to direct the effort in training layperson as AI users.

The most important layer that will make a company productive.

And look like Minister Josephine Teo is driving this effort in today's topic.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

In secondary school computer science must be taught to every student just like d&t class

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

To prepare our next generation


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

LCL (Danny 心):

For 1. AI creators - no need for government to identify or tell them what to develop - because they are top range AI scientists and researchers - who are innovative and creative - always thinking of how to come out with new AI ideas and breakthrough to develop new AI products.

Eg. Generative AI with LLM (Large Language Model) is one.

DeepSeek with Knowledge Distillation is another.

AI creators are busy trying to develop AGI (Artificial General Intelligence).


2. AI developers also no problems with high paying jobs - as they are also constantly doing AI development job based on business applications needs.

To develop AI apps to meet business requirements and needs to help users improve their productivity.

These AI developers will need to be very proficient with machine learning, python programming, neural networks, reinforcement learning, computer visions, training datasets etc.

They are always highly demanded by the market - no worries in getting jobs.


1. Eg. Every industries AI needs are different.

2. Banking - some banks use Microsoft co-pilot AI to tie their internal process and produce output for analysis.

3. Some industries use Chatgpt to do code generations, information search, report generations, create work schedule and workflow, create time table to schedule work tasks etc.

4. Chinese companies use DeepSeek in many of their industry development, R&D, integration of work processes etc.

Hence I feel that if industry sectors do ITM for their respective sectors to identify how AI can be used as productivity tools, then business can identify workers training needs.

Skillfuture can be directed and applied to train the respective workers and secure a higher salary jobs for every workers as productivity increases.

Then this will help every workers tackle the high cost of living - because their higher productivity can be translated into higher salaries as the business profit rises.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:18 pm]

My previous post on the need to train AI users.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:22 pm]

Actually, Singaporeans workers just need to perform any of the 3 roles in AI and we will be fine:-

1. AI creators (Basic research/ Applied research)

2. AI developers (eg. What DBS are doing in AI)

3. AI uses (the above Cisco config example that I posted earlier)

Our jobs will still be intact if we do any of the above.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:22 pm]

My previous post.

This topic focus on number 3.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:23 pm]

Now starting with lawyers, doctors and accountants.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:26 pm]

LCL (Danny 心):

I see.

But I guess humans must verify and value add to AI generated outputs.

Else if hallucinations or wrong analysis can be problematic.

[21/03, 4:00 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Can generate Cisco config in 2 routers connectivity with ospf routes?

[21/03, 4:00 pm] Meta AI: Here is a basic Cisco configuration for two routers to establish OSPF routing:

*Router 1 (R1)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

*Router 2 (R2)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.3.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

This configuration establishes an OSPF adjacency between R1 and R2, allowing them to exchange routing information. The network statements under the OSPF configuration define the networks that will be advertised by each router.

Please note that this is a basic configuration and might need to be adapted to your specific network topology and requirements. Additionally, you should ensure that the OSPF process ID (in this case, "1") is the same on both routers.

See, Meta AI generated the Cisco config source code in seconds.


But cannot just use it.

Need humans input, amendment and verification.

Humans' input is still needed.

Else the config cannot run in a live production environment.

It will crash the live system

Eg. The IP address number for the organization is not correct, need to change.

The subnet mask is not properly sub allocated because it uses up all the 255 sub address for a 2 point-to-point route that only need 4 IP address (for broadcast and network address) - this AI has wasted 251 IP addresses.

The area 0 is a routing backbone, and any changes to routing topology will cause the entire WAN (wide area network to go unstable because routing tables changes in the internet) - may need to change it to area 10 for example.

Need to provide test cases to test the route between the 2 routers and routing to the outside world.

Network engineer need to do network troubleshooting.

Hence GAI cannot replace the job of a network engineer.

Network engineer can use GAI to help to generate the code doubly fast, but network engineer are still needed to check, amend, generate test cases and troubleshoot the code generated by GAI.

So this scenario is like workers using computer to increase their productivity but not replacing their jobs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:26 pm]

My previous post about what GAI can do.


Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 2:29 pm]

This is oso what I most worry about


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:30 pm]

GAI, chatgpt not only about producing report or essay or correlate spreadsheet.

It can generate IT computing codes and configuration.

So graduates who are good in using AI as productivity tools can produce programming code in a matter of seconds.

But further refinement needed - cannot copy and paste - the system will crash.

A staff that code from scratch will need at least 1/2 hour.

Hence the staff that uses AI will be more productive than the staff that doesn't.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:31 pm]

Don't worry, just go for training on AI.

Very easy to use and be productive.


Hanny, [23/7/2025 2:32 pm]

It’s important that general public understand what ai can do and how they are currently used.

Fear comes from not knowing ai.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:33 pm]

Also fresh graduates with AI knowledge can now get hired easily by the companies despite challenging time.

Previous topic, I express anxiety that some of my nephew and niece fresh graduates still cannot secure a job.

Very recently, one of my nephew secure an engineer job already.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:34 pm]

Yes.

Just like when computer is introduce, the same mass onset of fear that will take over their jobs emerge.

When I just join, the fear was very real, very senior management and VIP also very nervous.

I need to go around giving personal training to those VIPs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:37 pm]

Finally when they get the hang of how to start a computer, feel comfortable with the os interface, know how to email, know how to use Microsoft office products such as words, spreadsheet, presentation slides etc. 

They cannot live without it


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:39 pm]

The fresh graduates younger staff is the one driving computer adoption.

They keep sending email to the top management and VIP.

When the younger managers start to enquire why older management staff don't respond to email - then the older management start to panic and grab the technology staff to give them a crash course on how to use computers.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:39 pm]

Now it will be the same with AI.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:43 pm]

Workers in this AI era need to Relearn the lesson - when NCB is first setup.

Philip Yeo, Lim Swee Suay, Mah Bow Tan time - should write a memoir how Singapore started on the difficult journey of computerisation.

At that time, only about 20% are graduates - 80% who want to start on computerisation find it extremely difficult.

But eventually it works out.

Now Singapore close to 60% are graduates - the learning curve for AI should not be as steep as computerisation in the 1990s.


Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 3:03 pm]

You talk Is easy


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:06 pm]

DBS named world's best bank as part of global awards.                                                                                         https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-named-worlds-best-bank-euromoney-awards-2025-5245446


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:07 pm]

Those who are determined to learn is easy.

Those who are fearful even before you start is not easy


365, [23/7/2025 3:27 pm]

Annectodal observation, Singaporeans generally very reluctant to learn, which impedes progress.

Take the cashless payment for example, ages ago China already have widespread adoption of cashless payment, including the elderlies in rural areas. Come to an urban city like Singapore suddenly must think of elderly don't know how to use phone? Are our elderlies less capable than those in rural China? 

It is not until after dbs release the $3 cashback program using paylah, then suddenly all the elderlies can learn and use cashless payment, never hear them complain about it when there's cashback available.

365, [23/7/2025 3:28 pm]

Now no need for this $3 program, if you're not willing to learn and adapt, you're out, as simple as that.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:28 pm]

Yes.

The inertia when people learn about new technology - and force to learn - is very steep.

Real anxiety and fearful - don't know where to start is very real.


365, [23/7/2025 3:29 pm]

Why others, and a good majority, can learn how to use AI, but you're unable to? Then what competitive advantage do you offer to employers then?

365, [23/7/2025 3:30 pm]

If you can perform better without using AI than those who are using it, then good for you and so be it. But if you're unable to perform, and yet stubbornly refuse to learn, then it's your own choice as well.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:31 pm]

I recall during my father's time, a 60 years old man when install with computer in front of him - his fear is very real.

He don't even know how to reach for the switch to turn on the computer not to say using it.

But the company is going on with computerisation.

No choice he is force to pick up and eventually very good at using it.

Now he happily use smart tablets at home seeing entertainment and do etransactions.

He is now 90 over years old.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:33 pm]

Still recall LKY in his 60s same inertia when a computer is place in front of him.

He go through the same difficult process of picking up computer.

Finally he can email, type using words and surf internet.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 3:39 pm]

So I guess today's topic is to guide people how to adopt AI rather discussing on should we adopt ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:43 pm]

More like persuading layman to start to learn AI in their respective industry sectors - starting with lawyers, doctors and accountants.

But actually many other industry sectors already moving quickly into using AI as a tools in aiding their work.

Eg. Banking, IT industry, aviation, engineering, manufacturing, f&b etc.

Except lawyers, doctors and accountants are more specialized - need careful infusing of AI into their jobs.

Because any hallucinations can be professionally hurtful.

Imagine doctor wrong diagnosis.

Lawyer pick up fake precedents.

Accountants wrongly produce a balance sheet...


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:48 pm]

Doctors, lawyers and accountants though elicit the help of AI to produce outputs - need also to verify, double check, triple check and use critical thinking in analysing AI produce outputs before signing on it.

AI is a very good productivity tools - but need to check on it carefully.

Hence AI tools won't replace jobs, but make workers more productive.

But workers must check AI works - not in the haste submit it without checking.

Else if wrong results get a big fat "zero" like the ntu girl.


REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 4:00 pm]

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RY, [23/7/2025 5:14 pm]

I understand in order to get the elderly to adapt to digital learning 

When they go n collect Cdc voucher at CC, they are also refer to digital ambassador at CC, to teach them how to claim digital voucher via mobile 

Recently at TPY library, I notice at a corner inside, there is a small grp teaching some elderly to go digital

That is a win-win incentive-motivated move by the govt, to get the elderly to learn digital, and sametime save the forest with lesser printing

365, [23/7/2025 5:20 pm]

I think it's great to have someone to assist and teach them as well. Issue lies with the initial dismissal of ideas, citing the reason "need to think of elderly who cannot use". No one says they have to pick up on their own, but must be willing to learn.

RY, [23/7/2025 5:33 pm]

Every system has pro and cons (eg deepfake) and nothing is perfect

AI also bring retrenchment but also recruitment 

In healthcare, I understand AI also bring many benefits like helping radiologist and pathologist and Dr in their analysis/report/surgery and etc

MOE already included "coding" in kindergarten curriculum 

China has the most AI talents in the world, and that explains their modernization in recent years - farsight by the govt 

AI/GAI is the future trend, whether mankind accepts or not

That also explain Nvidia/HuaWei are leading the tech world now with their chips/6G n etc, including military weapons

Hence, we will have to learn/embrace AI ultimately 

However, AI also may have inaccurate data/info eg deepfakes. Humans main job is to verify the trueness/accuracy of the AI generated data

G, [23/7/2025 5:39 pm]

Can SMT / SPH / ST etc (the state media companies) be replaced by AI please?

That should drastically reduce the costly overheads for a media entity funded by taxpayers.  There's little real news anyway, most articles are either regurgitation from the govt (for local "news") or straight up paid articles for foreign news. For lifestyle etc kind of articles, anyhow post AI generated ones also can

There should be significant savings once the costly overheads and "journalists" are cut, then there also will be very much less need for big HR department. Will save a lot of tax money. Hopefully will help reduce the need for increased taxes in future

REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 6:00 pm]

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LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:04 pm]

1. Actually the focus of employing AI in business and workers are not to replace jobs.

2. Rather the focus of AI is to improve productivity - ie. Doing more jobs, doing it faster, doing it cheaper and do more with every single workers.

3. By so doing, the company can expand their business bigger and earn higher profit and pay higher salaries to workers proficient with AI.

4. In fact I can see companies are willing to employ workers with AI skills.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:06 pm]

5. In fact, I got 5 approach from headhunters on job offers with very good pay - despite the challenges we are facing globally.

6. So the job market is not as bad as thought provided you got the right skills that employers want.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:09 pm]

7. So AI don't just cut jobs, they produce high value high salary jobs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:22 pm]

1. When computer come on board, it created many jobs.

2. IT jobs, many industrial sectors use computers to beef up their productivity.

3. Put their goods in the web and sell online. 

Expanding their business.

4. Payment make online, no need to lug briefcase with cash to pay.

5. Digitalization greatly expand business and our economy grow bigger and bigger.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:23 pm]

6. Likewise AI will achieve similar productivity and business grow, and create new jobs.

7. Of course obsolete jobs will vanish.

Eg. Typists, typewriter are gone when computer come into play.


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