REACH (Telegram) 36 - What are your views of the property at 38 Oxley Road? Do you think the NHB’s approach to carefully consider whether the site is worthy of being preserved as a national monument is the right thing to do?
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24 Oct 2024 (10am - 7pm)
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REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 1:03 PM]
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REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 1:05 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
The National Heritage Board (NHB) will study the Oxley Road site to assess if it is worthy of being preserved as a national monument. It will assess if the site has national historical, heritage and architectural significance, the board said in a press release on Thursday (Oct 24), noting that Singaporeans have a “diverse range of views” on the matter.
If it makes an order to preserve the site, NHB said the government "will have the time needed" to consider the different options identified in the 2018 ministerial committee report on 38 Oxley Road.
The 2018 report concluded that while the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s preference was for the building to be demolished, he was prepared to accept other options – if it was refurbished and kept in a habitable state while protecting his family’s privacy, said the board.
💬 What are your views of the property at 38 Oxley Road? Do you think the NHB’s approach to carefully consider whether the site is worthy of being preserved as a national monument is the right thing to do?
The Report sets out options for the building and also for the site where the building is located. The options include retaining the entire building, retaining only the basement dining room, or demolishing the building fully but designation the site for alrernative use (for example, as a park or a heritage centre). The options are not exhaustive.
📌 Significance of the property
The property at 38 Oxley Road was built in the late 19th century, and Mr Lee Kuan Yew lived there from the 1940s until his death.
The house is associated with key events in Singapore's history. Founding fathers such as Dr Goh Keng Swee and Dr Toh Chin Chye held meetings in its basement dining room in the 1950s, which led to the formation of today's ruling People’s Action Party (PAP).
👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/38-oxley-road-nhb-study-demolished-lee-kuan-yew-hsien-yang-4699046
👉 https://str.sg/tKor
👉 https://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/data/pdfdoc/20180402004/4_MC%20Report%2038%20Oxley%20Road_Annex%20B.pdf
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LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:08 PM]
Yes, Oxley House, also known as the Oxley Road house, played a significant role in Singapore's independence discussions. The house, located at 38 Oxley Road, was the family home of Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's first Prime Minister.
_Historical Significance:_
Oxley House was the site of crucial meetings and discussions among Lee Kuan Yew and other key figures, including:
1. Goh Keng Swee
2. Toh Chin Chye
3. S. Rajaratnam
4. Lim Kim San
These meetings laid the groundwork for Singapore's merger with Malaysia in 1963 and eventual independence in 1965.
_Key Events:_
1. 1954: Lee Kuan Yew and his colleagues formed the People's Action Party (PAP) at Oxley House.
2. 1961: Discussions on merger with Malaysia took place.
3. 1965: Lee Kuan Yew and his team drafted the separation agreement from Malaysia.
_Preservation Efforts:_
The house has been at the center of controversy due to disagreements among Lee Kuan Yew's children regarding its preservation and potential demolition.
_Public Accessibility:_
Currently, Oxley House is not open to the public for visits or tours, as it remains a private property.
Source:- Meta AI
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:09 PM]
The Heritage Act in Singapore is managed by the National Heritage Board (NHB), a statutory board established on August 1, 1993 ¹. The NHB's primary role is to safeguard and promote Singapore's diverse heritage for education, nation-building, and cultural understanding.
*Key Objectives of the Heritage Act:*
- _Preserve National Monuments_: Protect and conserve national monuments, sites, and objects of historical significance.
- _Promote Heritage Education_: Educate the public about Singapore's history and cultural heritage.
- _Support Heritage Research_: Conduct research and documentation of Singapore's heritage.
*Gazetting of Properties:*
The Heritage Act allows the NHB to gazette properties of historical significance, ensuring their preservation for future generations. This includes national monuments, historic sites, and museums.
*Community Engagement:*
The NHB engages with communities, heritage groups, and volunteers to promote Singapore's heritage through various programs and initiatives.
For more information on the Heritage Act and its specific provisions, I recommend visiting the National Heritage Board's website or contacting them directly ¹.
Source :- Meta AI
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:11 PM]
[23/10, 7:54 pm] ☸️ Danny 心: Because LKY quoted ozymandias.
The rise and fall of civilization.
[23/10, 7:54 pm] Meta AI: "Ozymandias" is a sonnet written by Percy Bysshe Shelley in 1818. The poem is a powerful commentary on the fleeting nature of human achievement and the inevitability of decline and fall. Here's a breakdown of its key elements:
*Title:* "Ozymandias" refers to the ancient Egyptian pharaoh Ramses II, also known as User-maat-re Setepenre.
*Structure:* The poem consists of 14 lines, following the traditional sonnet structure.
*Key Themes:*
1. Impermanence
2. Decline and fall
3. Hubris and pride
4. Nature's power
*Famous Excerpt:*
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
*Irony:* The inscription boasts of Ozymandias' greatness, but the surrounding landscape reveals ruin and decay.
*Symbolism:*
1. Statue: Representing pride and arrogance
2. Desert: Symbolizing the passage of time and erosion
3. Inscription: Highlighting the disparity between past glory and present decay
*Poem's Message:*
Shelley's "Ozymandias" cautions against hubris, reminding us that even the greatest civilizations will eventually crumble.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:11 PM]
My discussion with my close friend:-
Actually I afraid LKY see 缘起缘灭。
Civilization rise, civilization fall.
But we must overcome it by:-
法性空，物资 (色) 不空。
Hence preserving the seeds of our birth (our origin of creation) is important.
That's our heritage preservation is important to ensure our civilization continues to exist and thrive.
G, [24/10/2024 1:19 PM]
This is still a private property. What right does NHB have over it without invoking land acquisition act?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:21 PM]
Of all great civilization, any countries will demolish their heritage that have historical significance?
1. Great wall of China ?
2. Tiananman ?
3. Effiel Tower, 凯旋门?
4. Xian 兵马俑?
5. Pyramid of Egypt?
6. Holy sites?
Etc.
No civilization that wish to survive and thrive will want to demolish or bury their root, their birth and the creation of their Nation.
Albeit civilization do rise and fall.
And for civilization to continue to survive and thrive, civilization needs to preserve their roots, their heritage, -- and strive to outdo their Great Ancestor that build this civilization.
Destroying, demolishing and burying our very root or seed of our civilization - is akin to demolishing our origin - how we exist in the very 1st place.
忘祖，弃根。
Forget our ancestor, and forgo our roots.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:23 PM]
And the Heritage Act has the power to acquire private properties that have architectural, historical and heritage significance.
Just like what it has acquire the Sun Yat Sen mansion to be a public heritage significance site - with adequate compensation to the inheritance.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:24 PM]
The Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall in Singapore is indeed a national monument, gazetted under the Heritage Act in October 1994 ¹. This villa, located at 12 Tai Gin Road, served as the headquarters of Dr. Sun Yat Sen's Chinese Revolution Alliance, or Tong Meng Hui, in Nanyang.
As for the Alkaff Mansion, it's considered one of the grand mansions and villas of the past in Singapore ². However, I couldn't find specific information confirming its gazetting under the Heritage Act.
*Other Heritage Sites:*
- _Sun Yat Sen's Former Residence_ in Shanghai is a Key State-preserved Cultural Relic Unit ³
- _National Heritage Board_ manages various heritage institutions in Singapore, including the Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall ¹
Source :- Meta AI
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:24 PM]
The Alkaff Mansion is indeed a public site, and it's now a popular lifestyle and dining destination. Located at 10 Telok Blangah Crescent, it's perched atop Telok Blangah Hill, offering stunning views ¹. You can visit the mansion to dine at one of its restaurants, cafes, or bars, or even host events and weddings there.
*Current Occupants and Features:*
- _Wildseed Cafe_: A pet-friendly cafe serving brunch items, cakes, and pastries ¹
- _1918 Heritage Bar_: A nightlife spot with signature cocktails inspired by the Alkaff family's heritage ¹
- _UNA_: A Spanish restaurant offering tapas, paellas, and grills ¹
*History:*
The Alkaff Mansion was built in 1918 by Syed Mohammed bin Abdul Rahman Alkaff as a weekend house ². It later became known for hosting high-society parties in the 1930s. After World War II, the Alkaffs suffered business losses and sold the property, which was then used as the headquarters of the World Buddhist Society from around 1970 to 1984 ².
*Restoration and Redevelopment:*
The mansion underwent restoration and redevelopment in the 1990s and was reopened as a restaurant and event venue ². Although it ceased operations in 2003, it was revived in 2011 and has since become a popular spot for dining and events ².
Source:- Meta AI
G, [24/10/2024 1:29 PM]
Got such thing as Heritage Act meh? Where's the source?
G, [24/10/2024 1:30 PM]
NHB can declare public properties "heritage" and order their conservation. But to do that to private properties? That sounds like power abuse
G, [24/10/2024 1:31 PM]
Sound a lot like disinformation
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:32 PM]
The last letter from LKY to the Cabinet:-
Cabinet members were unanimous that 38 Oxley Road should not be demolished as I wanted. I have reflected on this and decided that if 38 Oxley Road is to be preserved, it needs to have its foundations reinforced and the whole building refurbished. It must then let out for people to live in. An empty building will soon decline and decay.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:32 PM]
LKY last letter to the Cabinet is not objecting to the demolition of Oxley House.
Having understood its heritage and historical significance of 38 Oxley House.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:33 PM]
National Heritage Board Act 1993 - Singapore Statutes Online
https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/NHBA1993
G, [24/10/2024 1:36 PM]
That's the NHB Act, there's no "Heritage Act"
Where in the NHB Act does it declare that NHB has the power to declare a private property "Heritage" while it is still a private property?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:39 PM]
Are you saying what nhb do is illegal?
Then you can sue nhb.
Let the court tell you whether is it in the Act.
G, [24/10/2024 1:40 PM]
You made that claim that NHB had the power to declare private properties "heritage"
I challenged that claim, for you to show where in the law that provides NHB this provision.
You turn around and throw accusations
G, [24/10/2024 1:41 PM]
If 38 Oxley has been acquired and belong to the govt. Fine. That's in accordance to the law. The law provides for this via the Land Acquisition Act
But as it stands today, 38 Oxley road is fully privately owned
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:41 PM]
The National Heritage Board (NHB) will study the Oxley Road site to assess if it is worthy of being preserved as a national monument.
It will assess if the site has national historical, heritage and architectural significance, the board said in a press release on Thursday (Oct 24), noting that Singaporeans have a “diverse range of views” on the matter.
Source :- CNA news 24 Oct 2024.
G, [24/10/2024 1:41 PM]
If you cannot find in the NHB act, then acknowledge that you have sowed disinformation
G, [24/10/2024 1:43 PM]
This is your claim.
Firstly, there doesn't seem to be a "Heritage Act"
When challenged, you produced the link for National Heritage Board Act. When challenged further as to where in the NHB Act is the provision to declare a private property "Heritage", you start throwing accusations
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:44 PM]
Can you read part 2 section 3 - if you are too lazy to read.
A body called the National Heritage Board is established, which is a body corporate with perpetual succession and is by that name capable of —(a)suing and being sued;(b)acquiring, owning, holding, developing and disposing of property, both movable and immovable; and
Nicholas, [24/10/2024 1:45 PM]
I love our country and I feel that the government is doing a good job.
I would feedback to the govt that this whole saga, just makes the PAP looks really bad.. it feels like making an “old” house, a political issue, and looks like a family problem escalating into a national one. Looks like all the millionaires ministers fighting over legacy.
Honestly, no one really cares about the old house. Demolishing it and making it into place that citizens can enjoy such as a park or amenties to enjoy the location is probably better appreciated by its people.
Doesn’t the govt have more pressing issues to work on such as transport, the world polarising and the citizens that need help ?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:46 PM]
Must as well demolish all the heritage in Singapore if deem not important for our descendants.
Nicholas, [24/10/2024 1:47 PM]
Government have already demolish quite a lot.. only a few places left actually.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:48 PM]
So only leave hdb flats, MRT, office, and shopping malls..
All heritage demolish.
Nicholas, [24/10/2024 1:48 PM]
Wishes of the original owners is also important. We can always put something significant in its place - not a family drama out in the open
Nicholas, [24/10/2024 1:49 PM]
Why so extreme.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:49 PM]
And soon Singapore cease to exist because we have no roots.
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [24/10/2024 1:50 PM]
In logic, reductio ad absurdum, also known as argumentum ad absurdum or apagogical arguments, is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.
G, [24/10/2024 1:51 PM]
I have read it. Have you?
It does not explicitly describe NHB's powers over declaring a private property as "Heritage"
Where in the act does it explicitly describe NHB's power to declare a private property as "heritage"?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:52 PM]
If you dispute this, go to Court to establish whether nhb has the right or not.
No point trying to be a lawyer to interpret the Act.
Let the court decide.
G, [24/10/2024 1:53 PM]
And by calling people lazy.. You were the one who made the claim. Then show the evidence when probed.
Instead, when probed further, you resort to "if you are too lazy to read"
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:53 PM]
Zzz,,
Adam, [24/10/2024 1:53 PM]
Nah your roots are not a priority. My roots of eating cheap food from hawkers have been demolished with swanky new and expensive food courts. My roots of playing in the void deck of hdb has been demolished and replaced with convoluted paths that discourage play.
The only important roots we have are the roots of the rich. Those that own landed at oxley
G, [24/10/2024 1:53 PM]
If you cannot back up your own claims, then stop spreading disinformation
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:54 PM]
Oh nhb news in CNA is spreading disinformation.
Oh wow ...
Then make police report lor.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 1:58 PM]
Heritage is essential for various reasons:
*Cultural Significance:*
1. Identity: Heritage helps define a community's identity, traditions, and values.
2. Continuity: It connects the past to the present, providing a sense of continuity.
3. Diversity: Heritage showcases the richness of diverse cultures, promoting cross-cultural understanding.
*Economic Benefits:*
1. Tourism: Heritage sites attract tourists, generating revenue and creating jobs.
2. Preservation: Restoring heritage sites stimulates local economies through conservation efforts.
3. Cultural Industries: Heritage-inspired arts, crafts, and performances support local creative economies.
*Social Cohesion:*
1. Community Engagement: Heritage fosters community pride and social cohesion.
2. Education: Heritage sites serve as interactive classrooms, teaching history and cultural significance.
3. Intergenerational Connection: Heritage bridges the gap between generations, promoting shared values.
*Environmental Conservation:*
1. Preservation: Protecting heritage sites often involves conserving surrounding natural environments.
2. Sustainable Development: Heritage conservation promotes sustainable development practices.
3. Environmental Education: Heritage sites raise awareness about environmental issues.
*Personal and Emotional Connection:*
1. Roots: Heritage connects individuals to their ancestral roots.
2. Emotional Resonance: Heritage sites evoke emotions, creating a sense of belonging.
3. Personal Identity: Heritage influences personal identity, shaping values and worldview.
*National Pride and International Recognition:*
1. National Identity: Heritage represents a nation's history, values, and achievements.
2. UNESCO World Heritage: Internationally recognized heritage sites promote national pride.
3. Cultural Diplomacy: Heritage facilitates cultural exchange and international cooperation.
By preserving and celebrating heritage, we:
1. Honor the past
2. Enrich the present
3. Inspire the future
Source:- Meta AI
REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 2:01 PM]
[ Poll : Do you think the current approach to keep options open is the right thing to do? ]
- Yes (44% - 37 votes)
- No (56% - 48 votes)
Total votes - 85 votes
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:03 PM]
So who is part of our community? Identifies as us following our tradition and values? What even is our values? Mind you a third of "us" is not residents
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:04 PM]
Then why you live here?
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:04 PM]
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:05 PM]
Interesting, how do you insert a pic?
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:05 PM]
Idk
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:05 PM]
What is ldk?
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:05 PM]
I wanna send the whole thing but the group dun allow but my phone can paste a circle
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:06 PM]
Oh so strange.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:07 PM]
Because Singaporeans don't want to marry and give birth.
Especially the young ones.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:10 PM]
I think heritage in singapore is gonna be dead. What do the new generation want to work as? Would they be willing to be hawkers? Or how about the history of vice activity that helped boosted singapores colonial economy
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:11 PM]
This is precisely we need to stop.
And preserve our heritage.
Else Singapore become a lifeless soul.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:12 PM]
Vice activities we must discard.
The birth of our Nation we need to preserve.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:12 PM]
Vice activites has been part of singapore history.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:12 PM]
As always when you want to 'preserve' its alwasys cherry picked
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:13 PM]
Example?
I don't support vice activities.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:14 PM]
You see heritage is something very soft, very subtle, but it is part of our soul - whereby only Singaporeans can associate with.
Which is our identity.
The moment we demolish it, we are soul-less.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:15 PM]
One does not simply demolish heritage
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:15 PM]
There is always a cost to be evaluated
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:16 PM]
If its too high or noone wants to do, why continue
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:17 PM]
It is difficult to justify and quantified in absolute terms.
It is relative, it is mental, not physical values that people see and say ah... This is useful, this is beneficial - because we can see and count.
Heritage is virtual, mental and it is an identity, our culture and our soul that bind us - and make us identified uniquely as Singaporeans.
The moment we demolish it, destroy it - it is gone forever.
Destroying things are easy, preserving and keeping one is difficult.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:18 PM]
Our $335mil founders memorial cannot be quantified in dollars and cents
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:20 PM]
What people don't see the values now, doesn't means our future generations find it not useful.
One day, our children, our grandchildren will haunt us and say - why destroy our heritage, why you destroy our roots.
Then our whole generation who decide now - will do a disservice to our future descendants.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:20 PM]
Lol what children
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:21 PM]
Our children will serve the nation, to protect the assets of those who bring their welth in
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:22 PM]
To be honest, the $300 million over heritage is not a wasted investment.
Our tourism sites always need to rejuvenate so that foreign tourism will keep coming back to visit and we can earn our tourism revenue.
And Singaporeans will be able to study our heritage, our roots, our identity and how and why we exist.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:24 PM]
Unless you don't intend to marry and have children.
I always keep my children, grandchildren and future descendants in mind -- to ensure whatever policies we make now are not for our immediate gratification.
But a mind to ensure our Singapore civilization can continue to survive and thrive for many many generations to come.
Hence we must have a super long vision to ensure not only we will benefit from the government policies but also our future descendants benefits from it.
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:26 PM]
Im sure our children will appreciate the massive monuments to our founders while living in shoebox apartments they dont own
Adam, [24/10/2024 2:27 PM]
I wonder what north korea is doing right to inculcate the respect for their history
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:28 PM]
We are very fortunate not to have shoebox apartment like HK partition room as a house.
We can't have a few thousand sq metres house, but a respectable one that make us feel like a cosy unit - in view of the land size and constraints that we have.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:29 PM]
I don't want to comment about nkorea - because it is their destiny that they need to change.
I only concern about Singapore.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:36 PM]
As per the current poll in this REACH group:-
21% find it worthwhile to preserve.
70% find that it has some values but not enough to be a national monument.
11% say it has no value.
I take some consolation that 91% at least find that there are some values to preserve Oxley in one way or another because there is at least some values (not no at all).
When it go further down the road, let see what can be done to preserve at least the most significant part of Oxley - and our future descendants can still benefit from it.
安慰。。。
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:48 PM]
The profound philosophy is actually the core of 色是空。空是色。
Maxim is Emptiness.
Emptiness is Maxim.
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [24/10/2024 2:51 PM]
Oh, like the name Wukong? Didn't the monkey king go wreck the celestial palace?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:52 PM]
Hahaha...
Not that naughty wukong.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:53 PM]
The philosophy say:-
In Emptiness - you will reap the maximum of Wisdom.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:55 PM]
The wukong is in Maximum physical force - not in Maxim Wisdom of Emptiness.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 2:59 PM]
Hence demolition of Matter (Physical form) is Annihilation (physical destruction) - of no return.
Emptiness of Mind is - maximum of Wisdom (is preservation).
Hence, so crucial to have preservation - when it touches the root, the seed of our Origin.
Annihilation vs Emptiness.
灭 vs 空。
Destruction of physical matter vs Maximum Wisdom of Preservation of our root, our seeds of Origin.
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [24/10/2024 3:03 PM]
At the end of the day, it is pointless to argue too much among ourselves - we should be discerning about whether the political class are protecting national interests or just the special interests of a select group. Singapore is a unique place and evolving with the times; more important to take care of citizens and preparing them for future challenges.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 3:05 PM]
Without Oxley, there is no politics or sprouting of other political parties.
There is no Singaporeans because there is no modern Singapore.
We cannot even survive without water.
Oxley is the origin of everything we have now - from merger to separation and Independence of the Republic of Singapore.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 3:06 PM]
And I agree with your statement:-
Singapore is a unique place and evolving with the times; more important to take care of citizens and preparing them for future challenges.
G, [24/10/2024 3:49 PM]
Very apt that the previous topic was on disinformation. And here we have, a live example of disinformation being bandied about. Govt bodies laying claim and making plans to a private property without mentioning any intention on utilising the land acquisition act to lawfully own it.
We have citizens who vehemently defend this govt's actions, and even claimed that the law allows the govt's actions, but cannot adequately show which clause in the law allows it. The passionate defence of the govt actions included insinuations of other citizen's character.
G, [24/10/2024 3:51 PM]
This govt should not overstep their boundaries. If this govt wants to lay claim to 38 Oxley Road and plan for its future, then acquire it lawfully.
Right now 38 oxley road is 100% private owned. If want to gazette it as heritage building, then acquire it first. Don't jump the gun
REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 4:09 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:39 PM]
Mr Lee Kuan Yew's ancestral home to be turned into tourist spot - by China.
| The Straits Times
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/mr-lee-kuan-yews-ancestral-home-to-be-turned-into-tourist-spot
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:42 PM]
Even China has attempted to preserve the ancestral home of Lee Kuan Yew to commemorate our Singapore Elder Statesman.
And yet some of our Singaporeans including one of his son and daughter - are so eager to demolish his ancestral home in Singapore.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:44 PM]
Because China understand the importance of heritage and historical significance to a civilization.
G, [24/10/2024 4:44 PM]
Looks like a concerted media propaganda campaign by PAPs de facto mouthpiece to sway Singaporeans' views to be in favour of not demolishing it, thus trying to engage a country to pressure the owners of a private property on an outcome that is not favourable to the owner
G, [24/10/2024 4:45 PM]
The propaganda seems to be effective on some in this group
G, [24/10/2024 4:46 PM]
Why dig up an article from 2015?
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:48 PM]
That's why China is a great civilization lasting 5,000 years of cultural heritage - by preserving historical and heritage significance.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:49 PM]
Istana Kampong Glam
The present building was constructed in 1840 by his son, Tengku Mohammed Ali, who was later recognised as Sultan Ali Iskandah Shah. The Istana is located at Sultan Gate in Kampong Glam, in the Rochor area of the central region.1 Today, Istana Kampong Glam is preserved as the Malay Heritage Centre.
https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=36750cb4-e1df-45ed-90e4-db07e0e96365#:~:text=The%20present%20building%20was%20constructed,area%20of%20the%20central%20region.&text=Today%2C%20Istana%20Kampong%20Glam%20is%20preserved%20as%20the%20Malay%20Heritage%20Centre.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:52 PM]
Preservation of our Sultan house - allocated by Sir Stamford Raffles - as our Malay Heritage Centre.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:55 PM]
Indian Heritage Centre - Introduction.
Preservation of our Indian Heritage.
https://www.indianheritage.gov.sg/en/about-us/introduction
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 4:56 PM]
Eurasian Association, Singapore.
The Eurasian Association (EA) preserves and promotes awareness of Eurasian heritage in Singapore and supports the less fortunate through community initiatives.
The Eurasian Community House.
https://www.eurasians.sg/#:~:text=The%20Eurasian%20Association%20(EA)%20preserves,less%20fortunate%20through%20community%20initiatives.
G, [24/10/2024 4:57 PM]
From your link:
"Ownership
In 1896, Sultan Ali's three wives settled in court their dispute over the rights to the Istana Kampong Glam estate. In 1897, the court repealed this privilege of land ownership and ruled that no one could claim to be a successor. Hence, the estate belonged to the colony of Singapore and not to the sultan's descendants, although they were allowed to continue living there. In accordance with Section 2 of the 1904 Sultan Hussain Ordinance (Cap. 382), the land at Kampong Glam reverted to the state and became state property on 1 January 1905. It is administered by the land office in the same manner as other state land in Singapore.6"
"Historical landmark
On 7 July 1989, the historic district of Kampong Glam, bounded by Jalan Sultan, Rochor Canal Road, Arab Street and Beach Road, was gazetted a conservation area. In 1993, the government announced plans to develop Istana Kampong Glam since it was located in the 16-hectare Kampong Glam conservation area. Residents were given ample time to make their own housing arrangements. On 12 March 1999, it was announced that the Istana would be converted into a Malay heritage centre.7 After redevelopment, the Malay Heritage Centre was officially opened by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong in June 2005.8
Istana Kampong Glam was gazetted as a national monument on 6 August 2015.9"
NHB has authority over state owned property. Where's the provision in the law that says it has authority over private property?
G, [24/10/2024 5:21 PM]
This 38 oxley road episode is very much an airing of dirty laundry between 2 brothers, one of whom is still a minister.
Incidentally, the CEO of NHB is the wife of DPM Heng.
Instead of wasting much time and public resources over a family dispute (including debating about one private property in parliament), much more time and effort should be put towards managing the cost of living or other pressing national issues.
Very poor utilisation of public officers' time and effort on a private property
REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 6:02 PM]
📢 Topic 📢
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2024 6:43 PM]
1. When a cup of water is "Emptied" (空) - it can be fill with full cup of Wisdom. (智慧).
2. When a cup is demolish - smash into pieces (physical) - then destruction is complete. No longer can hold any Wisdom with the broken cup. (Annihilation 灭).
REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 6:44 PM]
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G, [24/10/2024 6:54 PM]
Let’s not get silly about this . We can recognize our past and not build more communist like monuments .
We destroyed the national library for a tunnel
We flatten the national theatre and Van Kleef aquarium which are architectural successes for trival reason
Let’s not pretend Oxley beyond its occupant is there any real significant in the building besides personal memories for the Lee family who grew up there
If 2 of the 3 siblings say let’s demolish it , that already a majority
xXx.SCAR.xXx, [24/10/2024 6:57 PM]
Pensez par vous-même et laissez les autres profiter du privilège de le faire aussi - Voltaire
"Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too."
REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 6:59 PM]
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REACH Singapore, [24/10/2024 4:57 PM]
[ Poll : What are your thoughts on the historical, heritage and architectural significance of 38 Oxley Road? Please share your views in the chats ]
- Yes, I believe that 38 Oxley Road has historical, heritage and architectural value.(33% - 33 votes)
- 38 Oxley Road has some value but not enough to be a national monument.(46% - 47 votes)
- 38 Oxley Road has no value (21% - 21 votes)
Total votes - 101 votes
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