Wednesday, July 23, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 87 - What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

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23 Jul 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 10:01 am]

📢 Topic 📢

At the Fortune’s Brainstorm AI conference on July 22, Minister for Digital Development and Information Josephine Teo laid out Singapore’s vision to expand beyond AI engineers and scientists by building an intrepid pool of everyday AI users. These are not just tech specialists, but professionals — lawyers, doctors, accountants — who will lead the way in adopting AI within their sectors, and guide their peers in using the tools effectively.

Speaking during a fireside chat titled “Beyond scale: How small nations can lead in the age of AI,” she explained how Singapore’s digital future rests on empowering its 3.5 million-strong workforce to use AI meaningfully — especially across areas like manufacturing, healthcare, and finance.

💬 What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

📌 AI adoption should begin with empowering professionals

“We’re talking about people who are in the professions – lawyers, accountants, doctors – who will become the early adopters of AI, and then they show their peers how to make better use of it,” Mrs Teo said.

She emphasised that beyond the 15,000 AI practitioners Singapore aims to train, the broader goal is to equip the wider workforce with practical, job-relevant AI skills so they can demonstrate how AI adds value to their organisations.

📌 Innovation is not only about scale, but fit and purpose

Mrs Teo highlighted that small states can find their niche in a competitive AI landscape by focusing on local and regional needs.

Referring to AI Singapore’s Sea-Lion model — trained on 13 languages including Malay, Tamil and Javanese — she noted that “large language models that are trained primarily on a Western corpus… will have difficulties being applied in the South-east Asian context.”

She added that, “many companies, when they are thinking about how they can develop, for example, chat assistance that could be useful in our context, they would use a combination of both.” This shows that even smaller nations can contribute meaningfully by tailoring innovation to regional linguistic and cultural realities.

📌 Openness and collaboration remain key to AI governance

Singapore’s approach to AI is grounded in constructive engagement with all partners. Mrs Teo cited ongoing dialogues with both the United States and China on areas such as critical and emerging technologies and digital policy, noting that they reflect “different areas of interest that we mutually believe are important for our own countries.”

She also pointed to ASEAN, where progress toward shared ethical principles for AI is already possible, even if formal standards are still some way off. “There's nothing to prevent us from agreeing on what the ethical principles could look like first,” she said.

🔗 [ST] https://str.sg/mhQA

🔗 [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-artificial-intelligence-ai-josephine-teo-professionals-lawyers-doctors-5251901

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REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : How effective do you think Singapore’s efforts have been in advancing AI adoption in the workforce? ]

- Very effective

- Somewhat effective

- Neutral

- Not very effective

- Not effective at all

REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 11:26 am]

Dear Contributors,

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on the Government’s efforts to promote AI development and adoption? What more do you think can be done to support this?

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

Do also share your opinion by participating in our polls! The poll questions are pinned for easy reference, and your vote is anonymous.

Thank you!

Megan 😊

365, [23/7/2025 11:51 am]

Adoption of AI can help improve efficiency. However, the AI currently available is not 100% accurate, so human input and validation is still required.

The question to ask is with the push for more AI adoption, how can we ensure that companies have the appropriate view to adopt AI to enhance their workforce and not replace it?

Job security for the masses aside, AI capabilities isn't at the level where replacement should be a legitimate consideration.

G, [23/7/2025 1:16 pm]

What's the estimate in number of jobs that will be replaced by AI? 

What types of jobs are projected to be replaced by AI?

What's the govt doing about the projected job losses?

What percentage of govt jobs are projected to be replaced by AI and what's the projected tax savings from eliminated overheads?

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:30 pm]

Ya that's the worry of replacing jobs of AI.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:31 pm]

On one hand it helps businesses on workload and identifying potential problems on the other hand businesses does not need so many manual labour to do such analysis

Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 1:32 pm]

But I do worry

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:34 pm]

Now AI buses are on board is there any plans to retrain captain to adapt in such technologies?

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:36 pm]

Companies that don’t use ai will be at disadvantage compared to companies that use ai. 

People need to learn how to use AI. If we don’t use it, our productivity level will drop. That will make us too expensive.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:38 pm]

But a plan and time needed to adopt in it for workers so they don't lose out

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:38 pm]

Community center should start teaching people what AI can do.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:39 pm]

For bus drivers a lot of them are in 50- 60s you can't expect them to understand overnight

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:39 pm]

Ai is still at early stage. Give it a few more years it will do a lot more

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:40 pm]

White collar workers are also affected

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

I have seen friends whose jobs take only 2 hours instead of 2 days because of ai.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

We need to embrace ai.

G, [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

It'll be good for replacing very expensive professional services like lawyers and doctors


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:41 pm]

"Big four cut jobs for graduates as AI adds to consulting crisis".

Consultancy jobs traditionally is a pyramid - heavy in fresh graduates and light in middle and top.

With advanced AI, it has now become a inverted pyramid, light in entry level, heavy in middle and the top whereby AI still cannot managed.

 https://observer.co.uk/news/business/article/big-four-cut-jobs-for-graduates-as-ai-adds-to-consulting-crisis#:~:text=Big%20four%20cut%20jobs%20for%20graduates%20as%20AI%20adds%20to%20consulting%20crisis


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:42 pm]

Yes and only 2h of pay

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:43 pm]

Sometimes you think that AI is to replace low wage workers but no they are replacing white collars

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:43 pm]

Don’t look at ai so negatively. My friend becomes more productive.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

Those that cannot adopt ai will lose out.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

As you can see jobs that are affected are doctors and blankers

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:44 pm]

I use ai daily. As long as you use computer in your job, ai can improve your productivity.

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:45 pm]

IBM retrenched thousands of people because of ai. It also hired thousands of people because of ai.

G, [23/7/2025 1:45 pm]

Good for culling expensive govt overheads.. But will this somehow translate to higher gst in future because it's more expensive to train and maintain AI systems?

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:47 pm]

In the near term, ai replaces front end workers who don’t meet end users.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:48 pm]

Using an analogy.

1. If the worker still use calculator.

2. Another person use computer spreadsheet - this worker that use spreadsheet will be more productive than the worker that use calculator.

3. A worker that use AI to produce insightful charts and graphs from a vast arrays of spreadsheets - will likewise be more productive than the worker that uses spreadsheet and try to draw conclusions from vast arrays of spreadsheets that he produces.


Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:48 pm]

AI still needs people in the loop.

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

Sometimes you think that AI will replace those uneducated like coffeeshop aunties but no they replace office workers wor

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

We need to understand what ai can do


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:49 pm]

Yes.

AI is only a tool.

Human provide critical analysis and draw conclusions that determine important decision making.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:51 pm]

Remember AI still will fall into hallucinations and can provide fake results.

Human must be able to spot such hallucinations and correct the output from AI.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:52 pm]

Sometimes ai do much better than me. So yeah. The recent NTU saga teach me a lesson not to trust ai entirely

Hanny, [23/7/2025 1:52 pm]

Medical field has a lot of ai. There is not enough qualified doctors in sg. Ai should help to alleviate the problem. Xray results are analyzed by ai.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:53 pm]

Recently I try to fool an AI with very close to true prompt.

AI invented a result for me as though it is real.

I spotted it and corrected the AI.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

But over reliance of AI makes us dump

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

I see news that doctor use chat gpt to diagnose patients


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:54 pm]

My prompt:-

Deep seek use knowledge filtration?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Filtration - is a near truth prompt.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Meta AI response:-

DeepSeek uses a form of knowledge filtration through its advanced algorithms and natural language processing (NLP) capabilities. Here's how it works:

- *Contextual Understanding*: DeepSeek analyzes the context and intent behind search queries to provide more accurate and relevant results.

- *Data Matching & Filtering*: AI scans relevant databases and uses machine learning to rank the most accurate results.

- *Personalized Output*: DeepSeek delivers contextually refined search results based on user interactions and behavior.

Key Features of DeepSeek's Knowledge Filtration

- *Semantic Analysis*: DeepSeek identifies relationships and connections between different pieces of information, leading to more holistic understanding of data.

- *Natural Language Processing*: DeepSeek understands nuances of human language, including synonyms, context, and intent.

- *Real-Time Data Retrieval*: DeepSeek processes and retrieves data in real-time, ensuring up-to-date information ¹ ² ³.

By leveraging these capabilities, DeepSeek enhances search accuracy and efficiency, making it a powerful tool for various industries like healthcare, finance, and cybersecurity ².


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Meta AI invented a response as though it is real.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

That's why we need to warn not to over rely on it


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

My response to Meta AI:-

DeepSeek use knowledge distillation not filtration - AI you in hallucinations.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 1:57 pm]

Because sometimes I have a mentality if ai so good why should I study so much things just ask ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 1:59 pm]

Meta AI response:-

You're correct that techniques like *knowledge distillation* are used in AI models to improve performance and reduce issues like hallucinations.

Knowledge Distillation in AI

- *Purpose*: Knowledge distillation transfers knowledge from a large, complex model (the teacher) to a smaller, more efficient model (the student).

- *Benefits*: This technique can improve the student model's performance, reduce overfitting, and make the model more efficient for deployment.

Hallucinations in AI

- *Definition*: In AI, hallucinations refer to instances where a model generates outputs that are not grounded in the input data or are factually incorrect.

- *Mitigation Strategies*: Techniques like knowledge distillation, along with careful training and validation, can help reduce hallucinations and improve model reliability.

DeepSeek and AI Techniques

- *Implementation Details*: Without specific details on DeepSeek's architecture, it's plausible that techniques like knowledge distillation could be part of its training or optimization process.

- *AI Model Goals*: Generally, AI models aim to balance performance, efficiency, and accuracy, often using various techniques to minimize errors like hallucinations.

Do you want me to expand on knowledge distillation, its applications, or techniques for reducing hallucinations in AI models?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:00 pm]

See the outcome differences between "knowledge distillation" versus "knowledge filtration"?


REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 2:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:03 pm]

I think we are not very good in adopting in AI. Yes we generally need ai. But what is AI in the first place. It's more than just using chat gpt


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:03 pm]

That NTU student happily take the AI produce response and submit as her report citations but fail to spot the AI hallucinations.

That is why she got a "zero".

Hence when workers use AI, approach it with critical thinking.

Not blindly accept it as truth without checking, double , triple verification and most important "critical thinking".


G, [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

At this rate of copy and pasting AI responses into this chat group.. 

How relevant is REACH? 

How is REACH filtering human generated feedback from AI generated ones?

What weightage is REACH putting on human generated feedback vs AI generated ones?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

Chatgpt is an LLM that can use in many fields.

It is a GAI - Generative AI.

Need very powerful GPU and alot of electricity to run.

DeepSeek - knowledge distillation uses a more efficient model of LLM through knowledge distillation - an open source.

Hence use less powerful GPU.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:05 pm]

There's no ai class in school yet. There's not much of corporate training in ai 

The only ai that most people know are chatbot

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:06 pm]

There's no free course that gov recommends as an intro for ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:07 pm]

In future, AI scientists are developing and inventing AGI - agentic AI or Artificial General Intelligence - an AI that can think on its own.

GAI like Chatgpt need to be train on dataset - and its capability are confined to train datasets.

AGI learn on its own.


G, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

So.. want to develop AI in SG. And in turn, to replace jobs for "efficiency"

And from your comment, it looks like it's replacing salary compensation and benefits costs with utilities costs. 

How does this translate for the taxpayer?


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

But AGI superintelligence will one day be limited by the lack of electricity on earth to power them.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

You ask people on the street what is GAI and what is AGI. I bet everybody still don't know

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:08 pm]

I don't see adoption in here

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:09 pm]

The lack of basic knowledge of ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:10 pm]

Those fresh graduates that uses AI proficiently will secure a job faster than those graduates that don't.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:12 pm]

Evidently, those companies that are doing well increasingly use AI.

That's the cost invested in AI are bringing good returns.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:13 pm]

Yes. But I don't see a nation wide adoption. We need to depend on our own. How do people wants to spend money and take up time on top of their busy schedule to learn ai especially for a layman person.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:13 pm]

Eg. DBS is a prolific user and investment of AI.

Now is awarded as Top Bank in the World.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

For eg from a pov of a cleaner why do I need to learn ai?

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

And how to choose the correct ai class

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:14 pm]

There's so many ai class out there


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:15 pm]

That's why I previously say, government need to direct the effort in training layperson as AI users.

The most important layer that will make a company productive.

And look like Minister Josephine Teo is driving this effort in today's topic.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

In secondary school computer science must be taught to every student just like d&t class

Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

To prepare our next generation


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:17 pm]

LCL (Danny 心):

For 1. AI creators - no need for government to identify or tell them what to develop - because they are top range AI scientists and researchers - who are innovative and creative - always thinking of how to come out with new AI ideas and breakthrough to develop new AI products.

Eg. Generative AI with LLM (Large Language Model) is one.

DeepSeek with Knowledge Distillation is another.

AI creators are busy trying to develop AGI (Artificial General Intelligence).


2. AI developers also no problems with high paying jobs - as they are also constantly doing AI development job based on business applications needs.

To develop AI apps to meet business requirements and needs to help users improve their productivity.

These AI developers will need to be very proficient with machine learning, python programming, neural networks, reinforcement learning, computer visions, training datasets etc.

They are always highly demanded by the market - no worries in getting jobs.


1. Eg. Every industries AI needs are different.

2. Banking - some banks use Microsoft co-pilot AI to tie their internal process and produce output for analysis.

3. Some industries use Chatgpt to do code generations, information search, report generations, create work schedule and workflow, create time table to schedule work tasks etc.

4. Chinese companies use DeepSeek in many of their industry development, R&D, integration of work processes etc.

Hence I feel that if industry sectors do ITM for their respective sectors to identify how AI can be used as productivity tools, then business can identify workers training needs.

Skillfuture can be directed and applied to train the respective workers and secure a higher salary jobs for every workers as productivity increases.

Then this will help every workers tackle the high cost of living - because their higher productivity can be translated into higher salaries as the business profit rises.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:18 pm]

My previous post on the need to train AI users.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:22 pm]

Actually, Singaporeans workers just need to perform any of the 3 roles in AI and we will be fine:-

1. AI creators (Basic research/ Applied research)

2. AI developers (eg. What DBS are doing in AI)

3. AI uses (the above Cisco config example that I posted earlier)

Our jobs will still be intact if we do any of the above.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:22 pm]

My previous post.

This topic focus on number 3.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:23 pm]

Now starting with lawyers, doctors and accountants.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:26 pm]

LCL (Danny 心):

I see.

But I guess humans must verify and value add to AI generated outputs.

Else if hallucinations or wrong analysis can be problematic.

[21/03, 4:00 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Can generate Cisco config in 2 routers connectivity with ospf routes?

[21/03, 4:00 pm] Meta AI: Here is a basic Cisco configuration for two routers to establish OSPF routing:

*Router 1 (R1)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

*Router 2 (R2)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.3.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

This configuration establishes an OSPF adjacency between R1 and R2, allowing them to exchange routing information. The network statements under the OSPF configuration define the networks that will be advertised by each router.

Please note that this is a basic configuration and might need to be adapted to your specific network topology and requirements. Additionally, you should ensure that the OSPF process ID (in this case, "1") is the same on both routers.

See, Meta AI generated the Cisco config source code in seconds.


But cannot just use it.

Need humans input, amendment and verification.

Humans' input is still needed.

Else the config cannot run in a live production environment.

It will crash the live system

Eg. The IP address number for the organization is not correct, need to change.

The subnet mask is not properly sub allocated because it uses up all the 255 sub address for a 2 point-to-point route that only need 4 IP address (for broadcast and network address) - this AI has wasted 251 IP addresses.

The area 0 is a routing backbone, and any changes to routing topology will cause the entire WAN (wide area network to go unstable because routing tables changes in the internet) - may need to change it to area 10 for example.

Need to provide test cases to test the route between the 2 routers and routing to the outside world.

Network engineer need to do network troubleshooting.

Hence GAI cannot replace the job of a network engineer.

Network engineer can use GAI to help to generate the code doubly fast, but network engineer are still needed to check, amend, generate test cases and troubleshoot the code generated by GAI.

So this scenario is like workers using computer to increase their productivity but not replacing their jobs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:26 pm]

My previous post about what GAI can do.


Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 2:29 pm]

This is oso what I most worry about


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:30 pm]

GAI, chatgpt not only about producing report or essay or correlate spreadsheet.

It can generate IT computing codes and configuration.

So graduates who are good in using AI as productivity tools can produce programming code in a matter of seconds.

But further refinement needed - cannot copy and paste - the system will crash.

A staff that code from scratch will need at least 1/2 hour.

Hence the staff that uses AI will be more productive than the staff that doesn't.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:31 pm]

Don't worry, just go for training on AI.

Very easy to use and be productive.


Hanny, [23/7/2025 2:32 pm]

It’s important that general public understand what ai can do and how they are currently used.

Fear comes from not knowing ai.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:33 pm]

Also fresh graduates with AI knowledge can now get hired easily by the companies despite challenging time.

Previous topic, I express anxiety that some of my nephew and niece fresh graduates still cannot secure a job.

Very recently, one of my nephew secure an engineer job already.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:34 pm]

Yes.

Just like when computer is introduce, the same mass onset of fear that will take over their jobs emerge.

When I just join, the fear was very real, very senior management and VIP also very nervous.

I need to go around giving personal training to those VIPs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:37 pm]

Finally when they get the hang of how to start a computer, feel comfortable with the os interface, know how to email, know how to use Microsoft office products such as words, spreadsheet, presentation slides etc. 

They cannot live without it


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:39 pm]

The fresh graduates younger staff is the one driving computer adoption.

They keep sending email to the top management and VIP.

When the younger managers start to enquire why older management staff don't respond to email - then the older management start to panic and grab the technology staff to give them a crash course on how to use computers.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:39 pm]

Now it will be the same with AI.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 2:43 pm]

Workers in this AI era need to Relearn the lesson - when NCB is first setup.

Philip Yeo, Lim Swee Suay, Mah Bow Tan time - should write a memoir how Singapore started on the difficult journey of computerisation.

At that time, only about 20% are graduates - 80% who want to start on computerisation find it extremely difficult.

But eventually it works out.

Now Singapore close to 60% are graduates - the learning curve for AI should not be as steep as computerisation in the 1990s.


Moses Kor kwang loong, [23/7/2025 3:03 pm]

You talk Is easy


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:06 pm]

DBS named world's best bank as part of global awards.                                                                                         https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/dbs-named-worlds-best-bank-euromoney-awards-2025-5245446


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:07 pm]

Those who are determined to learn is easy.

Those who are fearful even before you start is not easy


365, [23/7/2025 3:27 pm]

Annectodal observation, Singaporeans generally very reluctant to learn, which impedes progress.

Take the cashless payment for example, ages ago China already have widespread adoption of cashless payment, including the elderlies in rural areas. Come to an urban city like Singapore suddenly must think of elderly don't know how to use phone? Are our elderlies less capable than those in rural China? 

It is not until after dbs release the $3 cashback program using paylah, then suddenly all the elderlies can learn and use cashless payment, never hear them complain about it when there's cashback available.

365, [23/7/2025 3:28 pm]

Now no need for this $3 program, if you're not willing to learn and adapt, you're out, as simple as that.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:28 pm]

Yes.

The inertia when people learn about new technology - and force to learn - is very steep.

Real anxiety and fearful - don't know where to start is very real.


365, [23/7/2025 3:29 pm]

Why others, and a good majority, can learn how to use AI, but you're unable to? Then what competitive advantage do you offer to employers then?

365, [23/7/2025 3:30 pm]

If you can perform better without using AI than those who are using it, then good for you and so be it. But if you're unable to perform, and yet stubbornly refuse to learn, then it's your own choice as well.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:31 pm]

I recall during my father's time, a 60 years old man when install with computer in front of him - his fear is very real.

He don't even know how to reach for the switch to turn on the computer not to say using it.

But the company is going on with computerisation.

No choice he is force to pick up and eventually very good at using it.

Now he happily use smart tablets at home seeing entertainment and do etransactions.

He is now 90 over years old.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:33 pm]

Still recall LKY in his 60s same inertia when a computer is place in front of him.

He go through the same difficult process of picking up computer.

Finally he can email, type using words and surf internet.


Jun Ming, [23/7/2025 3:39 pm]

So I guess today's topic is to guide people how to adopt AI rather discussing on should we adopt ai


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:43 pm]

More like persuading layman to start to learn AI in their respective industry sectors - starting with lawyers, doctors and accountants.

But actually many other industry sectors already moving quickly into using AI as a tools in aiding their work.

Eg. Banking, IT industry, aviation, engineering, manufacturing, f&b etc.

Except lawyers, doctors and accountants are more specialized - need careful infusing of AI into their jobs.

Because any hallucinations can be professionally hurtful.

Imagine doctor wrong diagnosis.

Lawyer pick up fake precedents.

Accountants wrongly produce a balance sheet...


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 3:48 pm]

Doctors, lawyers and accountants though elicit the help of AI to produce outputs - need also to verify, double check, triple check and use critical thinking in analysing AI produce outputs before signing on it.

AI is a very good productivity tools - but need to check on it carefully.

Hence AI tools won't replace jobs, but make workers more productive.

But workers must check AI works - not in the haste submit it without checking.

Else if wrong results get a big fat "zero" like the ntu girl.


REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 4:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

RY, [23/7/2025 5:14 pm]

I understand in order to get the elderly to adapt to digital learning 

When they go n collect Cdc voucher at CC, they are also refer to digital ambassador at CC, to teach them how to claim digital voucher via mobile 

Recently at TPY library, I notice at a corner inside, there is a small grp teaching some elderly to go digital

That is a win-win incentive-motivated move by the govt, to get the elderly to learn digital, and sametime save the forest with lesser printing

365, [23/7/2025 5:20 pm]

I think it's great to have someone to assist and teach them as well. Issue lies with the initial dismissal of ideas, citing the reason "need to think of elderly who cannot use". No one says they have to pick up on their own, but must be willing to learn.

RY, [23/7/2025 5:33 pm]

Every system has pro and cons (eg deepfake) and nothing is perfect

AI also bring retrenchment but also recruitment 

In healthcare, I understand AI also bring many benefits like helping radiologist and pathologist and Dr in their analysis/report/surgery and etc

MOE already included "coding" in kindergarten curriculum 

China has the most AI talents in the world, and that explains their modernization in recent years - farsight by the govt 

AI/GAI is the future trend, whether mankind accepts or not

That also explain Nvidia/HuaWei are leading the tech world now with their chips/6G n etc, including military weapons

Hence, we will have to learn/embrace AI ultimately 

However, AI also may have inaccurate data/info eg deepfakes. Humans main job is to verify the trueness/accuracy of the AI generated data

G, [23/7/2025 5:39 pm]

Can SMT / SPH / ST etc (the state media companies) be replaced by AI please?

That should drastically reduce the costly overheads for a media entity funded by taxpayers.  There's little real news anyway, most articles are either regurgitation from the govt (for local "news") or straight up paid articles for foreign news. For lifestyle etc kind of articles, anyhow post AI generated ones also can

There should be significant savings once the costly overheads and "journalists" are cut, then there also will be very much less need for big HR department. Will save a lot of tax money. Hopefully will help reduce the need for increased taxes in future

REACH Singapore, [23/7/2025 6:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:04 pm]

1. Actually the focus of employing AI in business and workers are not to replace jobs.

2. Rather the focus of AI is to improve productivity - ie. Doing more jobs, doing it faster, doing it cheaper and do more with every single workers.

3. By so doing, the company can expand their business bigger and earn higher profit and pay higher salaries to workers proficient with AI.

4. In fact I can see companies are willing to employ workers with AI skills.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:06 pm]

5. In fact, I got 5 approach from headhunters on job offers with very good pay - despite the challenges we are facing globally.

6. So the job market is not as bad as thought provided you got the right skills that employers want.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:09 pm]

7. So AI don't just cut jobs, they produce high value high salary jobs.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:22 pm]

1. When computer come on board, it created many jobs.

2. IT jobs, many industrial sectors use computers to beef up their productivity.

3. Put their goods in the web and sell online. 

Expanding their business.

4. Payment make online, no need to lug briefcase with cash to pay.

5. Digitalization greatly expand business and our economy grow bigger and bigger.


LCL (Danny 心), [23/7/2025 6:23 pm]

6. Likewise AI will achieve similar productivity and business grow, and create new jobs.

7. Of course obsolete jobs will vanish.

Eg. Typists, typewriter are gone when computer come into play.


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Monday, July 14, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 86 - What are your views about the efforts to address vaping? What more can be done to address this?

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14 Jul 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 10:02 am]

📢 Topic 📢

On July 13 (Sunday), the Ministry of Health (MOH) and Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) announced that Government agencies are considering further steps to address the vaping issue, including whether current laws for enforcement can be enhanced.

This move comes in light of an increasing trend of e-vaporisers containing psychotropic substances such as etomidate and controlled drugs overseas and now in Singapore.

💬 What are your views about the efforts to address vaping? What more can be done to address this?

📌 Growing trend of vaping

In response to queries, MOH and MHA noted that the Health Sciences Authority (HSA) had already detected 28 cases where e-vaporiser pods were found to contain etomidate within the first half of 2025. This is nearly three times as many as the 10 cases detected in 2024. This is despite vaping being banned in Singapore since 2018.

Between January 2024 and March 2025, HSA, which is the enforcement agency for vaping-related offences, seized more than $41 million worth of e-vaporisers and their related components.

📌 Harms of vaping

MHA and MOH noted that etomidate, which is classified as a poison and regulated under the Poisons Act, has clinical use as an anaesthetic agent. It is permitted only in clinical settings and subject to strict conditions.

“The etomidate found in e-vaporisers or supplied in oil capsules or formulations to be inhaled directly into users’ lungs are not medical products and are prohibited,” the ministries said.

The ministries said the adverse effects of etomidate when used in vapes can be serious, including causing involuntary movements or spasm of muscles, confusion, seizures and psychosis.

“It can lead to physical dependence,” they added.

📌 Need for enhanced enforcement and legislation

The ministries said various agencies have been conducting rigorous enforcement to tackle the issue.

“For example, the HSA works closely with agencies such as the Singapore Police Force, Central Narcotics Bureau, Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA), National Parks Board and National Environment Agency (NEA), to enforce against e-vaporisers.

Mr Yip Hon Weng, MP for Yio Chu Kang SMC, also agreed that enforcement laws need to be enhanced. While he noted that Singapore already has some of the world’s toughest drug laws, he added, "There is perhaps scope to go further – for example, by explicitly including combo drug-vape products under the Poisons Act, and granting the Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) clearer jurisdiction the moment drug traces are detected”.

There have been similar legal updates in the past, Mr Yip said, adding that when Subutex and glue sniffing became threats, the law evolved to empower CNB with the tools to respond.

📌 Need for greater awareness about vaping

MOH and MHA also highlighted the need for greater awareness about vaping.

*The Health Promotion Board is also working with the Ministry of Education to raise awareness about the harms of vaping amongst students, and support individuals seeking to stop the habit of vaping through the I Quit Programme,” the ministries said.

Under current laws in Singapore, possessing, using and buying e-vaporisers carry a maximum fine of $2,000.

Distributing, importing and selling prohibited tobacco products such as vapes and their components carry a heavier penalty – a fine of up to $10,000, or imprisonment of up to six months, or both.

👉🏻  https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/laws-around-vaping-may-be-enhanced-with-increased-detection-of-drug-laced-vapes-in-spore

👉🏻 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/experts-call-for-legal-agility-to-tackle-influx-of-drug-laced-vapes-in-singapore

👉🏻 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/today/big-read/kpods-drugs-vapes-legal-grey-areas-5230556

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여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [14/7/2025 10:28 am]

Better late than never. Vaping is banned in Singapore yet a growing portion of people are using it... then not caught also. It is a net negative on society if they're not caught.

365, [14/7/2025 10:43 am]

Awareness is not the way forward, many are already aware of the consequences on their body, they simply don't care.

I feel it is important to have a plan to start enforcing stricter punishment on the imports of vapes. The end goal is to treat it similar to drugs, whereby import itself is illegal and enforce heavy punishment. There is a need to improve detection of the imports of vape, similar to detection of the import of drugs. 

My plan:

- Establish a method to reliably detect vape imports, this is the most important step. 

- Announce the ban on vape imports, including the plans and different phases moving forward. Similar to drugs, all airlines have to notify their passengers on the ban. Give a brief transitional period of maybe 3 months. Within this transitional period, vapes detected will be confiscated and let off with a warning. Repeated offenders within the 3 months will receive escalating punishment including fines and possibly jail time. Singapore residents are allowed to surrender their vapes with no penalty, and pay back a minor sum to encourage more voluntary surrender during this period as well. Non-residents are allowed to surrender their vapes at the border control with no penalty and no payout. 

- Next 3 months, start fines for illegal imports of vapes. Escalating penalties for repeat offenders remain the same, with no reset from prior phases. Continue to allow residents to surrender vapes with no penalty, but no more payout. Penalties (fines) will be enforced when surrendering or caught with vape at the border control. 

- Start enforcing jail terms for illegal imports. If the government thinks death penalty is warranted, then we can move to that step here or have another 3 months period. Vapes are completely banned.

The time for transitional periods will vary depending on government assessment of what is the best to move forward with, taking into account the overall impact.

Jerard, [14/7/2025 10:55 am]

I would say vaping is a common problem these days especially when it comes to youths also

Jerard, [14/7/2025 10:56 am]

Youths generally have a sense of curiosity and have many free beliefs

Daniel, [14/7/2025 11:00 am]

I feel that enforcement on the ground is still quite lax. It is very common to see people (young ones, but also older people) using vapes in public. Especially at void decks, but also at bus stops and other public places.

Nicholas, [14/7/2025 11:06 am]

Good that there's the articles recently informing us about the risks and harms. Youths are easily taken in by "cool" things and especially so when they travel to neighbouring countries and see people freely vaping there. Please enhance the laws to come down hard on the distributors (similar to drug peddlers) and rehabilitate those already vaping (similar to drug users).


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 11:21 am]

1. I feel that associating vaping lace with banned drugs abuse should come under CNB drug abuse similar to heroin, cannabis, ketamine etc with stronger punishment.

2. Then it will have more bite to curb distribution and prosecution.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 11:24 am]

3. The current vaping law though tough is not as tough as drug abuses.

4. Vaping lace with banned drugs are essentially drug abuses coming under narcotics law and not vaping law - except the tools used for drug abuses is vaping.

Because the harm cause by vaping lace with drugs - suffer the same or worst addiction like narcotics drugs.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 11:28 am]

5. Only when the reclassification of vaping lace with drugs are categorised under drug abuses - will make those who want to play with vaping sit up and understand its consequences.

6. Authority should also co-ordinate with neighbouring countries to reclassify vaping lace with drugs as drug abuses and not "innocent vaping".

Only then authorities around the region will have more bites and urgency to clampdown on drug laced vaping.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 11:34 am]

7. Because innocent vaping are nicotine lace - and classified as smoking - in which foreign authorities are not interested in enforcement.

8. But drug laced vaping with banned drugs are essentially narcotics drugs abuse - in which narcotics drugs are considered illegal in many countries that come with imprisonment and even death penalty.

Hence this will ensure suppliers of vaping watch their steps in supplying drug laced vaping - as drug trafficking.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 11:41 am]

1. Once I saw 2 young girls walk past me, and a big smoke emerge from their mouth and I notice they hold something on their hand.

2. I was wondering what cigarette can produce such big cloud of smoke.

3. Then I realise they are vaping.

4. When they see me staring at them, they double up speed and walk past me.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:02 pm]

9. However I feel that if parents or abusers turn themselves in or willing to rehabilitate, punishment should be more lenient - to encourage people to rehabilitate.

Such as no imprisonment but must accept rehabilitation and monitoring.

10. If the penalties are too severe, parents and abusers will dodge rather than submit themselves for rehabilitation.

11. But if they are arrested by authorities, then they should be treated like other drug abusers.

12. Drug laced vaping traffickers should be treated like traditional drug traffickers.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:14 pm]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBqn71JE/

Drug laced vaping very serious consequences to our teenagers.

They waste their young lives away.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:16 pm]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBqnbMhf/

27 year old Singaporean attack mother and threaten suicide after kpod vapes.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:20 pm]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBqWSSrb/

Zombie teens in Punggol after vaping in drug laced vape.


여자친구, 첫사랑 🏆, [14/7/2025 12:20 pm]

Vaping in any form and any type has to be educated and treated as to be as serious of a health threat as smoking.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:48 pm]

[13/07, 2:16 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Singapore US treasury bonds reduce from US $260 to $179 billions.

Source:- Google 

Quietly sold away.


[13/07, 2:17 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSB4Yr9tj/

Canada, China, Singapore and other countries quietly sold off $46.8 billion US treasury bonds in just one month.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 12:57 pm]

心法:

D1T2 Economic Circulation strategy.

1. Domestic Economic Circulation (D1) Strategy.

2. International Economic Dual Trade Circulation (T2) Strategy.

a. Non-US currency swap trade

b. US currency exchange trade.

Domestic Economic Circulation Strategy (D1) 

1. CDC and SG 60 vouchers domestic consumption 

2. Tourism

3. Retail

4. F&B

International Economic Dual Trade Circulation (T2) Strategy 

1. Trade in bilateral currency swap with non-US countries.

2. Trade in US $.

This will make our economy resilience against Trump's tariff.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:06 pm]

Vaping are more of targeting the youths ah. During my bmt my whole bunk vape secretly

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:07 pm]

And they will influence those who doesn't vape


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:07 pm]

Army should clampdown on vaping in NS.

Cannot let vaping harm our young folks.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:08 pm]

So I think gov should start enforcing through ns


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:09 pm]

And wonder where did they get the vaping from?

I thought banned in Singapore.

Online store also not allow to sell?


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:09 pm]

Giving talks monthly like how safety talks are conducted

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:09 pm]

Telegram

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:10 pm]

Weekend go home take their delivery

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:10 pm]

Usually cash on delivery

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:10 pm]

Even Sgt vape...


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:11 pm]

MHA should tapped into this telegram and do enforcement on suppliers as well as members of these telegram groups.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:11 pm]

Hard as telegram have the highest level of security


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:11 pm]

It is harming our youth.


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:11 pm]

Can break with spyware.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:12 pm]

They will never leak anything to authority

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:12 pm]

This is why the CEO was arrested in Spain in earlier of the year


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:13 pm]

Pegasus can break.

Most telegram groups don't activate "secret chat" that come with end to end encryption.

I think this telegram group also not in "secret chat". Because it will come with a "lock icon" and highlight in "green" with self destruct timer in "secret chat". The encryption key will also generate a combination of image and text key.

Evidently, these chat group is not.

So unless those army boys use such features in their telegram groups which I doubt they do, Pegasus breaking into the telegram chat groups should be chicken feat.

Hence Pegasus can break.

Even though if secret chat is turn on, Pegasus can still infiltrate via workaround.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:14 pm]

Usually vapes enter through land border which are hidden in cars and walk through customs

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:15 pm]

As land custom are the busiest it is easier to get away


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 1:16 pm]

These smuggling harder to detect.

Got to use thermal imaging, x-ray etc and more granular inspection.

But large traveller crowd will put a strain on immigration officials.

Some may still slip through.

Hence heavier penalties if caught should serve as a deterrence.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:16 pm]

And in our neighbouring country vape is legal

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:17 pm]

Unless neighbouring country vape is illegal then it will have lesser vapes

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:22 pm]

So therefore cooperating and sharing information to our neighbouring country is important. For eg we can suggest to our neighbouring country to force manufacturers make vape to in certain shapes

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:23 pm]

So there will not have funny vape like highlighter etc

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:26 pm]

Vape is like opium can try to ban but a lot of challenges

RY, [14/7/2025 1:27 pm]

I notice many cigarette smokers "convert" to reusable vaping from my circle of male friends, bec cigarette is so ex in SG nowsday  

It is very difficult for smokers to quit smoking, and so far I notice not many success case around me, due to "addiction" just like gambling 

Many smokers may think that vaping maybe less detrimental to health vs tobacco, however we know it is not true to certain extend 

Creating public education and awareness is essential, and maybe it should extend to schools also, since many smokers start from young/teenage 

As vaping has many flavours to choose from and it is very 'cool' to youngsters

It is certainly a good initiative for the SG different Ministries to work together to tackle vaping issues 

One-time use vaping is also causing many environmental problems, and hence UK recently also added to the list of vaping-ban/restricted countries

I reckon so far not many countries are successful in banning smoking, except Bhutan, I think 

As any human addiction is hard to quit, unless with very strong-will/mindset

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:41 pm]

Should change to 10 years for distributing and selling

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 1:45 pm]

Why people turn to vape instead of smoking 

1.) cheaper 

2.) look nicer no ugly picture 

3.) taste nicer 

4.) looks cool got dragon breath effect 

Authorities need to be creative to deal with this factors

Joomua Tng, [14/7/2025 1:51 pm]

it should classified aa drugs abuses.

draw a tough and bold line and classify it as drugs. penalty as drugs trafficking and abuses.

try to accommodate it with more lenient classification will cause more problems.

.......

the drugs trafficking mafia will treat it as new form of drug trafficking channel if we do not take a hardline and bold stand against it.

please don't wait till more lives are destroyed then take tougher action.

by then it will has taken roots in Singapore society.

extinguish the fire before it grow bigger and spread out of control.

其安易持,其未兆易谋。其脆易泮,其微易散。为之于未有,治之于未乱。

......

it is because gov treating it as "smoking" didn't foresee it could be a channel for a new form of drugs trafficking, the drugs mafia exploited it to expansion of their drugs businesses.

Adam, [14/7/2025 1:55 pm]

Yeah drugs is bad. It kills. Just like drink driving, we should fine them up to 10k and jail for up to a year

Adam, [14/7/2025 1:56 pm]

Not sure if you think its worse or better than drink driving. Since drink driving will hurt others and not just the self

REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 2:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:00 pm]

I think the main thing is distributing and importing punishment is too light


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 2:01 pm]

Eg. Our government break into telegram chat group "SG Nasi Lemak" that distribute porno and illegal photos of local girls" with 44,000 members in the telegram chatgroup and prosecute members.

Likewise, this vaping should also warrant such attention.


Hanny, [14/7/2025 2:02 pm]

Harsher law is required for vape because it is more dangerous than cigarettes.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:04 pm]

Nasi lemak is there's real victims. But vape there's willing sellers willing buyer. Everyone covering for each other


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 2:05 pm]

If can break into the chatgroup to collect evidence of the chats and transactions - can make arrest and prosecution.

This will deter vaping.


365, [14/7/2025 2:19 pm]

Willing seller willing buyer cannot be a reason for lack of jurisdiction, if not the same argument can be made for drugs

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:20 pm]

Yeah but everyone covering up and it's hard to get into vaping groups

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:20 pm]

You need to know the specific group first

Jerard, [14/7/2025 2:20 pm]

only those who vape know such telegram groups

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:23 pm]

I wondering if police are secretly vaping or not

365, [14/7/2025 2:23 pm]

Maybe can use the sergeants in military as a breakthrough point? Easier to catch their vapes, especially since I believe military can do spot checks.

Then in return for lenient punishment, dig out the channels.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:23 pm]

As I said sgt also vape

365, [14/7/2025 2:23 pm]

Personally I still believe physical means of detection is the first line of long term defense, then layer in with more mechanisms.

365, [14/7/2025 2:24 pm]

Yeah, that's why I'm suggesting if we can use those sergeants as a breakthrough point into the chats

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:24 pm]

So we are relying on people to report others for vaping?

365, [14/7/2025 2:24 pm]

Vape is supposedly illegal in Singapore anyway, the lack of enforcement is an issue.

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:24 pm]

Say, if your friend, or coworker vapes, will you report them?

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:24 pm]

Unless do SBU on sgt bunks

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:25 pm]

Do you believe if you report your friend, it is for their own good

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:25 pm]

After all, we have to rehabilitate them for vaping

365, [14/7/2025 2:25 pm]

Don't need them to come out report, catch their vapes with spot checks, offer lenient punishment in return for more leads

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:25 pm]

Mind you im not talking about the laced vape, just normal

Jerard, [14/7/2025 2:25 pm]

the k pods vape you mean?

Adam, [14/7/2025 2:26 pm]

Cant let them vape, must report so they go back to cigs

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:26 pm]

I would not report. As it harm the relationship

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:26 pm]

And may tekan you

Jerard, [14/7/2025 2:26 pm]

I would report, its for the greater good whatever the consequences

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:27 pm]

Let say in army you report your bunk mates and got stand by universe. Up from encik down to your bunk mates will hate you

365, [14/7/2025 2:27 pm]

I think there is little value in catching individual vapers now. The importing has to stop, then you can weed it out over time.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:28 pm]

And you got a miserable 2 years not worth it

365, [14/7/2025 2:28 pm]

Ministry collaborate from the top, colonel pass down instructions immediate random spot check.

365, [14/7/2025 2:29 pm]

Bottom up approach will not work, has to be top down.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:30 pm]

Chain of command lol

365, [14/7/2025 2:30 pm]

Operation plan to be silent and only made known to "safe" individuals who won't leak, then one swoop go in and check.

365, [14/7/2025 2:31 pm]

Even this feels like scratching the surface only, if the government is serious on it, they have to take a hard stance. Political backlash will be expected and is something to be accepted if we really want to put a stop to it and not just score political points.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:41 pm]

I think we need to treat it as complex law where user gets charge where analysis of vape content is done. If there's drugs charge them with consuming drug. If not then normal procession of vape.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:42 pm]

If not the fine is just punishing the parents

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:42 pm]

Which where got time to juggar kids

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:43 pm]

Everybody 早出晚归

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:43 pm]

Just don't treat it as simple fine can liao

365, [14/7/2025 2:45 pm]

It's gonna take a lot of resources just to do analysis because we want to be more lenient on those who vape without using drug content. I think the eventual stance should reach somewhere similar to drugs, but not to that extent yet.

Reason being is that vape currently doesn't harm similarly to how drug addict is, at least not from what I've heard, entire families being destroyed due to vape. It's more of the 2nd hand vape that is also harming others.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:46 pm]

I think there's a recent news that someone died with the use of drug vape

Jerard, [14/7/2025 2:47 pm]

the k pod vape if i remember correctly

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 2:47 pm]

Then can charge those trafficking guys with death penalty

Steven Ong, [14/7/2025 3:27 pm]

There's urgency to consider even tougher measures to ensure our younger generation not hook on these 'fashionable' habits. IMO, fines don't work well. Best is to instill longer sentences and as a nation, everyone becomes a whistle-blower to help everyone to rid this horrible matter before get out of control..

Daniel, [14/7/2025 3:35 pm]

Or could link it with a generational tobacco phase-out like the one proposed in New Zealand, then our youth can be protected from both of those.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 3:35 pm]

This one I propose to reach in 2017 they fan it off citing there's enough measures...

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 3:36 pm]

🥱

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 3:41 pm]

Maybe they don't see a sec 5 student feedback weigh

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 3:53 pm]

Don't believe me go refer NEA-2017-10-016810

Daniel, [14/7/2025 3:54 pm]

Well, can raise it again here, still think it's a viable solution.

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 3:59 pm]

Dear NEA please review this suggestion thank you

REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 4:01 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 4:27 pm]

In NS, parents expect their children to perform their national duties in a safe environment and not pick up bad habits that harm them.

Eg. Not picking up:-

1. Vaping

2. Smoking 

3. Gambling

4. Speaking vulgar language 

Hence, army should take a good look at vaping habits during NS and should take tough actions to prevent NS men from pickup vaping habits during their army time.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:31 pm]

5.) sexual activities


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 4:32 pm]

Army got no woman.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:32 pm]

Full of boys puberty just ended. Sexual desire the max

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:33 pm]

Talking about sexual stuff everyday


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 4:34 pm]

This one is self discipline.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:34 pm]

Army need to include sexual education to guide sexual desire

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:35 pm]

Self discipline is so weak against our desires

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:35 pm]

Especially sex

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 4:35 pm]

Cause during the age by right it's time to be a parent

G, [14/7/2025 4:44 pm]

Why not go the way of dealing with narcotics and call it a day?

G, [14/7/2025 4:48 pm]

If really serious about the harmful effects, why still deliberate here and there? How is this different from narcotics? 

How come MOH is in the loop for this? Since vaping has been banned, shouldn't the lead for this be MHA?


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 5:35 pm]

"Kpods being pushed by organised crime groups, including in Singapore, say the UN"

 https://sg.news.yahoo.com/live/kpods-pushed-by-organised-crime-groups-un-jannik-sinner-is-first-italian-to-win-wimbledon-singles-singapore-live-news-020830343.html#:~:text=Esther%20Au%20Yong-,Kpods%20being%20pushed%20by%20organised%20crime%20groups%2C%20including%20in%20Singapore%2C%20say%20the%20UN,-Kpods%20being%20pushed


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 5:38 pm]

"I lost my daughter to Kpod addiction: Father of 19-year-old shares heartbreak and lessons"

 https://sg.news.yahoo.com/lost-daughter-kpod-addiction-father-210000601.html#:~:text=at%20any%20time-,I%20lost%20my%20daughter%20to%20Kpod%20addiction%3A%20Father%20of%2019%2Dyear%2Dold%20shares%20heartbreak%20and%20lessons,-Zaihan%20Mohamed%20Yusof


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 5:39 pm]

Photos of a Kpod victim trying to jump out of the window - and his mother pulling him back.


Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 5:50 pm]

So this is my suggestion

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 5:51 pm]

I think they now treating it like mosquito breeding case

REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 6:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

G, [14/7/2025 6:06 pm]

Just treat vaping like narcotics. Zero tolerance 

Arrest users, jail them, rehabilitate them in jail where applicable, hang where applicable (depending on vape canister contents)

Arrest suppliers, jail them, rehabilitate them in jail where applicable, hang where applicable (depending on vape substance / paraphernalia quantities)

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 6:17 pm]

2 suspected Kpod peddlers in their 20s were nabbed in Bishan and Yishun as HSA intensifies a crackdown on vapes.

In one operation, an enforcement officer dived into a moving car to stop the suspect from escaping. https://str.sg/MGQi

G, [14/7/2025 6:17 pm]

Shouldn't this kind of enforcement come under MHA?

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 6:18 pm]

Should be cnb isn't it

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 6:20 pm]

HSA should be the one supporting with evidence and technology

G, [14/7/2025 6:21 pm]

Yup yup. CNB is under MHA

Jun Ming, [14/7/2025 6:21 pm]

In terms of catching people cnb got more experience


LCL (Danny 心), [14/7/2025 6:24 pm]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBbadAoy/

Effects of Kpod vaping.

Effects more serious than drug abuse.


Andrew Goh, [14/7/2025 6:41 pm]

Govt can make it easier for the public to report when they see others vaping.

Just saw 3 youths vaping at a void deck.

REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 6:45 pm]

Dear Contributors,

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REACH Singapore, [14/7/2025 7:00 pm]

Dear Contributors

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Thursday, July 10, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 85 -  What are your views on SERT’s latest measure to support local businesses? How can we continue to support local businesses and workers amidst this uncertain environment?

(SK)

10 Jul 2025 (10am - 7pm)


REACH (Telegram)

REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 3:14 pm]

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REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 3:17 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

During an update on 10 July (Thursday), the Singapore Economic Resilience Taskforce (SERT) announced that Singapore companies will be able to tap on a new grant to help them adjust to the new tariff environment. Minister of Manpower Dr Tan See Leng said the Business Adaptation Grant, to be launched by October 2025, will be capped at $100,000 per company and require co-funding by firms.

SMEs will receive a higher level of support, while larger companies will be eligible for a smaller quantum. More details will be announced in October.

💬 What are your views on SERT’s latest measure to support local businesses? How can we continue to support local businesses and workers amidst this uncertain environment?

📌 Support for business

Dr Tan said the grant will support two broad groups of businesses. For firms that export to or operate in overseas markets, it will cover advisory services related to free trade agreements, trade compliance, legal and contractual matters, supply chain optimisation and market diversification. For businesses with local or overseas manufacturing operations, the grant can help to defray reconfiguration costs such as logistics and inventory-holding expenses.

📌 1st August Tariff deadline

SERT's update comes as US president Trump continues to send letters to countries informing them that they would be subject to sharply higher tariffs from Aug 1. While Singapore has not received a letter, neighbouring countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia will face tariffs of 25 per cent and 32 per cent respectively. Deputy Prime Minister Gan Kim Yong noted that tariffs for some countries in Asia were reduced from what was initially announced in April, but others will see higher levies.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/sert-economic-resilience-business-grant-tariffs-5228891

👉https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/spore-to-launch-new-grant-for-companies-expand-support-for-workers-amid-us-tariff-uncertainties

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REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 3:35 pm]

[ Poll : I am confident that the Business Adaptation Grant will help businesses adapt to the uncertain environment. ]

- Strongly Agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly Disagree

REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 3:36 pm]

[ Poll : I am concerned about the impact of the US tariffs. ]

- Very concerned

- Concerned

- Neutral (taking a wait and see approach)

- Unconcerned

- Very unconcerned

REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 3:36 pm]

Dear Contributors,

Please take a moment to participate in our polls 📊 and share your opinions 💭. The poll questions are pinned for easy reference, and your vote is anonymous.

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LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 3:50 pm]

1. Notice that the interim measures are supporting the business in the uncertain world - which could help businesses to pull through for the time period.

2. But what needs attention is the fresh graduates - that have difficulties in securing jobs.


RY, [10/7/2025 3:52 pm]

Our govt always come out with appropriate grant to assist biz in  crisis/event 

USA TACO unstability and always-changing policy/words are certainly affecting the whole world trade/economy 

Most of the goods & services prices increased due to the sudden announcement by TACO on 2Apr

SG is a export-oriented and depends heavily on intl trade 

Hence it is impt that the govt shd step in and help the biz. And grant is one of way to tackle the increasing prices

Vijay, [10/7/2025 3:52 pm]

Concern about the job market for experienced and fresh graduates over US’s trade policies. It could be a cascading effect.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 3:55 pm]

3. Out of all my nephews and nieces graduating this year from the Universities, only one has a scholarship to do his PhD sponsor by a company.

4. But the rest have yet to secure a job.

5. Even companies that have offered internships to them say they are not recruiting - as business is uncertain.

6. Despite sending resumes to many companies, there are no reply.

7. I feel that the government should work with Universities, IHLs, business, e2i and NTUC to help fresh graduates to secure their jobs.

8. This phenomenon is affecting their entire cohorts in the various faculties.

9. I think the situation is quite serious.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 3:58 pm]

"Govt watching job situation for fresh graduates closely, exploring further support: Gan Siow Huang"

 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/govt-watching-job-situation-for-fresh-graduates-closely-exploring-further-support-gan-siow-huang#:~:text=Govt%20watching%20job%20situation%20for%20fresh%20graduates%20closely%2C%20exploring%20further%20support%3A%20Gan%20Siow%20Huang


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:00 pm]

10. Some who manage to secure a jobs are internship and not permanent jobs.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:02 pm]

‘I applied to over 300 jobs’: What people wish they knew before they got laid off.                                              

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/i-applied-to-over-300-jobs-what-people-wish-they-knew-before-they-got-laid-off


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:02 pm]

"NUS Computer Science grad yet to land job despite sending hundreds of applications".

https://theindependent.sg/nus-computer-science-grad-yet-to-land-job-despite-sending-hundreds-of-applications/#:~:text=2%20min.Read-,NUS,-Computer%20Science%20grad


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:03 pm]

‘I have been job hunting since February and till now I still have no luck in getting a job’  — new NTU grad says - Singapore News.

 https://share.google/fs7aEtBNa85AQZB57


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:04 pm]

"Why Singapore’s fresh grads are struggling to get hired.

As job offers disappear and rejection e-mails pile up, Gen Zs are stepping into a gloomy job market.

 Will this be a passing shower or a prolonged downpour?"

 https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/opinion-features/why-singapores-fresh-grads-are-struggling-get-hired#:~:text=Why%20Singapore%E2%80%99s%20fresh,a%20prolonged%20downpour%3F


RY, [10/7/2025 4:05 pm]

The govt already announced and closely monitoring 

Believe our govt may do something abt the job mkt in near future 

Anyway not only fresh graduates job searching are affected, many matured workers jobs are also affected by the mkt instability, and increased cost of living 

So we shd not be focusing on just fresh graduates only 

Fresh graduates may further their study if job mkt is not gd 

Matured workers may have to focus on SkillsFuture and further training

365, [10/7/2025 4:08 pm]

The job hunting issue lacks reliable statistics. We don't know what is the cause, is it misaligned expectations or poor interview skills or other factors. When I graduated there was also doubts over the job market, but I didn't take long to secure an offer, though the pay was considered on the lower end for graduates.

I'm not saying that it's always the job hunter's issues, but without a reliable statistics on the actual reasons why, annectodal evidence isn't much help.

365, [10/7/2025 4:10 pm]

The media will also have a sample bias, only those who can't land a job will be sounding out their dissatisfaction. While those who were successful won't be very vocal about landing a job in our culture.

RY, [10/7/2025 4:20 pm]

We shd be speaking for all age-grp of people looking for jobs and not only fresh graduates 

During the past crisis eg sub-prime/asian financial crisis/covid19 and etc, they are also fresh graduates  that time whom were affected, and also many matured workers were laid off too 

Hence our govt when assisting job hunters, they shd be focusing all age-grp whether they are fresh graduates/matured workers/elderly and etc, 

Being young fresh graduates, they have so many options avail for them eg further study/online bloggers/starting own biz/travelling/volunteering and etc 

Matured workers may req more assistance, as most have family/elderly/mortgages/children/medical and etc, and hence their financial burdens are much more than any fresh graduates


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:23 pm]

1. In my opinion, both fresh graduates and mature workers will need help to get jobs when the job market turn sour.

2. Because fresh graduates also need to pay off study loans that are not cheap.

Not many can afford to keep studying.

3. Many also need to work to support the family as their parents are retiring or have retired.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:24 pm]

4. Some are engaged and are planning to get married and start a family - but unable to secure a job.


REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 4:28 pm]

➡️ Graduates should ‘stay calm’, with early data showing better employment rates: Tan See Leng

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/graduates-should-stay-calm-early-data-showing-better-employment-rates-tan-see-leng


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:32 pm]

5. Of course mature workers will be more anxious as they have more financial commitments.


RY, [10/7/2025 4:35 pm]

I was also told b4 that many fresh graduates are mostly very choosy in terms of job hunting

Many jobs they didnt want to take up, maybe due to long hours/under the sun n etc 

There are some industries in SG eg healthcare/F&B/retail/IT n etc that are always shortage of workers and foreign workers have to fill up 

Hence fresh graduates may consider also, as not all the jobs are with air-con and sit in ofc always as we know 

If the fresh graduates are not that choosy, there are many job opportunities out there esp for young people to venture/experience also 

Yesterday news about shortage of teachers as per the Minister, during the graduation ceremony 

https://share.google/n8XEdzFxFi8e4RUCJ


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:40 pm]

I think fresh graduates should also not be shortchange.

Eg. If the fresh graduates are trained in engineering, computer science - they should secure jobs in their trained professions and not ended up in f&b, construction or retail.

Else the trained talents are wasted when the industries are in short supply of such professionals but holding back recruitment because of uncertainties in the business.


Joomua Tng, [10/7/2025 4:42 pm]

maybe graduate should consider degree is like o level or diploma in the past. 

no longer belong to the managerial job status of the past.

......


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:44 pm]

Actually all those University's trained degree are badly needed in the various industries.

In fact in short supply - if not for Trump nonsensical tariff war that throw the world economy into disarray.

Business erring on the caution side are holding back recruitment.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:46 pm]

If all these professions decide to go into those not relevant service industries just for the salary - the whole cohort generations will lose one generation of respective trained professionals to service the various industries - when the temporary crisis blown over.


RY, [10/7/2025 4:46 pm]

Most of the Gen Z parents are around 40-60 now

And usually this age-grp of parents, whom are mostly educated and still working, and they already have their own retirement plan themselves, and dont really depend on the Gen Z children to support them 

Gen X people are the most tedious, as their parents are mostly with little/no education/little savings, and now they are too old with med conditions, that the Gen X children have to look after them

Dr. Goh, [10/7/2025 4:47 pm]

Disagree. There is no way to plan if the jobs are handed to foreigners.

Dr. Goh, [10/7/2025 4:52 pm]

Even with PhD I saw new citizen with PhD looking for job overseas. It is bleak for all.

What the government can do is prioritise jobs for local born first. Control how many are brought in every year and make sure the jobs available aren't taken up by foreigners first. This can be done with a broad brush approach - companies with higher proportion of local born get better corporate tax rates and more government support. Those with low proportions pay punitive tax rates.

There is very limited space in Singapore so it has to be used for Singaporeans first. If it doesn't benefit Singaporeans then the companies have no business being here and government has to make them pay the social costs.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:56 pm]

On another front, I think our government also should take note of the Maga Lago accord.

It is very detrimental to our sovereign fund.


RY, [10/7/2025 4:57 pm]

行行出状员 

Working is also for experience purposely, and not mainly for monetary term 

Eg engineer graduates career path is not nec to go into engineering industry, do U agree ?  

Yr study may not nec end up in yr career path all the time

There is no rules that graduates cannot work in F&B/retail/healthcare and etc 

We shd respect all jobs, and there is no low and high class type of mindset


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 4:59 pm]

Trump's tariffs turbocharge de-dollarization: World sells US dollar assets, seeking alternatives - Geopolitical Economy Report

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/05/trump-tariffs-dedollarization-sell-us-dollar/#:~:text=Trump%E2%80%99s%20tariffs%20turbocharge,alternative%20reserve%20assets


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:02 pm]

I am saying, if a person are trained in engineering and University allocation of place is to ensure industry talent is needed, put the graduate in the right job to meet the industry demand.

Not looking down on other profession.

When economy recovers, when engineers are needed, the whole cohort of engineers cannot be found.

This is the whole crux of the message.

And if a person is trained in computer science, let him do IT job.

And if a graduate is trained in sustainability, let him do the green energy.

Because all these talents take a lot of money and time to train.

If these graduates are redirected to other unrelated professions, all their trained expertise, government education subsidies, university efforts will be go to waste.

When economy recover and need such professions, the whole cohort in various industries suddenly in short supply and business cannot grow - impacting the entire economy.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:03 pm]

Another concern is that the Trump administration could effectively default on US government obligations.

Trump’s top economic advisor, Stephen Miran, has proposed that Washington could force foreign countries *to exchange their outstanding Treasury holdings with 100-year bonds with no coupon (ie, no interest payment)*. That would mean that, with inflation, the value of these bonds would significantly decrease over time, and foreign nations would therefore be subsidizing the US government.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:06 pm]

In a speech explaining Trump’s tariff strategy, Miran argued that countries “could simply write checks to Treasury that help us finance global public goods”.

This policy proposal is part of a hypothetical “Mar-a-Lago Accord” that the Trump administration wants to impose on US trading partners.

Chinese economists argue that this would constitute *a de facto US government default*.

The Financial Times quoted remarks made at a conference in April by a Chinese government advisor who previously was a member of the Monetary Policy Committee at the People’s Bank of China, Yu Yongding. He argued that *if the Trump administration did this, it would amount to a debt default*.


RY, [10/7/2025 5:06 pm]

Those parents btw 40-60 age grp, mostly already have own retirement ins plans/investment/cpf/saving and etc - may check around 

Unlike those PG (more than 70 age) elderly parents, they dont have much saving and has little investment knowledge to plan for their retirement. 

Also their earnings was little due to little/no education and just enough to bring up their Gen X children (whom are now around 40-60)


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:06 pm]

Yu said of Miran’s proposal, “That poses a huge threat to China, and we may end up paying a steep price”.

In China, the FT noted, “some influential scholars are now advocating a move towards outright de-dollarisation, rather than gradual adjustments to the mix of dollar-denominated assets”.

*Instead of buying more US Treasuries, Chinese officials are investing in the sovereign debt of other countries, especially from Europe. These include German bonds and Swiss bonds, as well as potentially even Japanese bonds*.

The People’s Bank of China has also been purchasing large sums of gold.

The central banks of many other countries, especially those that are members of or have expressed interest in joining BRICS, have piled into gold in the past decade.

This is a major reason why the price of gold has skyrocketed.


RY, [10/7/2025 5:09 pm]

In layman term, writing chq to US Treasury are just simply "bribery/corruption" 

When the govt shd be supposingly to look after own citizens and not the US govt/americans


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:11 pm]

The Maga Lago accord is a serious threat if Trump administration ever carried out.

We have US $260 billion stuck in Treasury bonds.


RY, [10/7/2025 5:12 pm]

Putting people in the right job, this depend on the job hunting person, whether he/she is looking what type of job, and whether he/she accepts the job offer ultimately

RY, [10/7/2025 5:16 pm]

Yep, I hope MAS/Temasek/GiC may consider other investment means eg gold, as US Treasury is no longer a stable asset, as downgraded by many financial rating co eg Moody


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:19 pm]

"ECONOMYTrump advisor reveals tariff strategy: Force countries to pay tribute to maintain US empire.

Donald Trump’s top economic advisor Stephen Miran revealed that Washington’s strategy is to use tariffs to force countries to pay the USA tribute to maintain its global financial and military empire. This is the idea behind the so-called “Mar-a-Lago Accord”."

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/04/10/trump-advisor-miran-tariff-pay-us-empire/#:~:text=Geopolitical%20Economy%20Report-,ECONOMY,is%20the%20idea%20behind%20the%20so%2Dcalled%20%E2%80%9CMar%2Da%2DLago%20Accord%E2%80%9D.,-By


RY, [10/7/2025 5:20 pm]

No investor would be unwise to invest in such 100yr treasury bond with zero interest

Nobody knows what may happen a century later also


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:23 pm]

If the Maga Lago accord ever carried out, US credibility will fall to the rock bottom.

Big capital outflow, will happen.

US financial market will collapse not restricting to bond market - which in fact will become "junk bonds".

US equity market, banking, insurance and other financial market will collapse - as investors will pull out and flee the US market.

US $ will also collapse because world countries will no longer trust US $.

So Trump administration got to be very careful if indeed they want to proceed into Maga Lago accord.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:26 pm]

No investors will commit to 100 year bond with no interest rate.

But Trump can arm twist all the bond holders if he discover that he can do so with impunity.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:36 pm]

US $36 trillion + $2.5 trillion debt is their nemesis.

And if they meddle with the bond market going through the Maga Lago accord - essentially, Trump is expediting the falling of the US empire - when all investors in unison exit out of US financial market.


REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 5:38 pm]

➡️ Singapore to roll out business grants in October amid Trump tariff pressures

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/dpm-gan-plans-us-visit-to-discuss-tariffs-business-opportunities-for-singapore


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:38 pm]

"Trump says steep copper tariffs in store as he broadens his trade war.

US pharmaceutical stocks also slid following Trump's threat of 200 per cent tariffs on drug imports".

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/donald-trump-steep-copper-tariffs-trade-war-us-5227391#:~:text=Trump%20says%20steep,on%20drug%20imports


RY, [10/7/2025 5:42 pm]

SG has a smart govt, that is why SG enjoy surplus in most Natl Budget, with MAS/GIC/Temask investments 

Everybody knows what is behind this Maga Lago Accord 

USA TACO Trump always used threatening and forcing strategies to other countries 

So it depends on gd/smart is the other country govt to deal with TACO (Trump always chicken out) 

See how China deals with TACO and how USA finally compromise in the end 

As per Canada foreign minister suggestion, we shd kick USA out of the WTO, and make the world trade more prosperous without USA  

Rem TACO words always changing, and even if U give in, TACO will sure ask for more later, as we all know they are just a grp "bully"


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:46 pm]

"Trump takes on the Fed – but he has little power over central bank, economists say".

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-takes-fed-little-power-110006533.html#:~:text=Trump%20takes%20on%20the%20Fed%20%E2%80%93%20but%20he%20has%20little%20power%20over%20central%20bank%2C%20economists%20say


RY, [10/7/2025 5:48 pm]

The world financial mkt must learn fm this TACO episode also 

Never depend on any single country currency/treasury/swift system,  see how Iran/Cuba/Russia/NorthKorea suffers due to sanction 

Also Never sign any Accord initiated by USA, see how Japan economy downfall for the past 20-30 years

RY, [10/7/2025 5:50 pm]

Lucky Mr Powell is still the chairman of Federal Reserves


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:51 pm]

Another front that I want to highlight is Trump interference of Fed in managing the monetary policy.

Singapore interest rate like HK are somehow align to Fed interest rate.

But Trump in May 2026 will be appointing a compliant Fed Chief - that will have direct influence in administering monetary policy.

In which White House has full control over its fiscal policy.

When this happens, US economic and financial turmoil will ensue.

Because a good economic policy is where monetary policy must be independent of the executive who are formulating the fiscal policy.

Else economic turbulence will ensue.

Hence MAS will need to seriously study whether Singapore interest rate need to closely aligned with US Fed interest rate come May 2026 next year.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:52 pm]

Economists have found that countries *without central banks* are prone to *high inflation and unemployment*.

“A central bank’s independence is pretty much the only thing macroeconomists know of that’s a free lunch,” said Jason Furman, a former economic adviser to Barack Obama. 

“When you look at *authoritarian leaders that have effectively taken over the central banks*, like in *Turkey, you can end up with 70% inflation rates* and really, really *big economic problems*.”


RY, [10/7/2025 5:54 pm]

Agree 

Hope americans are wise to elect a "good sense" President going forward


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:54 pm]

"1965: The Year the Fed and LBJ Clashed.

The storied showdown between Fed Chairman Bill Martin and President Lyndon Johnson wasn't just about personalities. It was a fundamental dispute over the Fed's policymaking role."

Highlight that separation of FED decision making in monetary policy from White House is so important.

https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/econ_focus/2016/q3-4/federal_reserve#:~:text=1965%3A%20The%20Year,Fed%27s%20policymaking%20role.


RY, [10/7/2025 5:55 pm]

Learn fm past history always


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 5:58 pm]

Trump is not learning from past mistakes.

He is repeating:-

1. Tariff war that lead to deep depression in 1930s in which tariff is about 11% to less than 20%.

Trump tariff is 10, 25,..... 200%.

2. 1930s deep depression lead to WW2.

3. Trump repeating the mistake of White House interference on Fed.


REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 6:04 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

RY, [10/7/2025 6:10 pm]

Bec TACO thinks he is god 

Even recent Brics Meeting, he threaten Brics countries and Brazil 

USA not even Brics members, but meddling into Brics affairs

RY, [10/7/2025 6:13 pm]

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/tremendous-opportunities-for-growth-in-us-singapore-ties-says-trumps-ambassador-nominee-sinha

RY, [10/7/2025 6:19 pm]

Recent news fm StraitsTime, I hope this Dr Anja will not be USA ambassador in SG - no knowledge abt US-SG relationship 

Trump always nominate not capable people in the different postition eg Fox News anchor as US Defence Minister, he didnt even know which countries in ASEAN, when he spoke in recent ShangriLa Dialogue

RY, [10/7/2025 6:38 pm]

Although I dont like Elon, but I still hope that he may set up  a new Party in USA, besides Democratic/Republican, so that there are some other "voices" to speak/defend the unreasonable bills by TACO

Trump is the 1st President in USA that his wealth grows quad-fold during presidency, due to insider trading and cryptocurrencies

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:41 pm]

You need to see if what they are studying fit

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:42 pm]

Sorry been scrolling through the messages


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 6:43 pm]

Not meant to interfere with American politics.

But Elon party policy direction is not clear.

Both democrats and republican parties value system have some good points and some bad ones.

Neither party on its own is good.

My personal opinion.


Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:47 pm]

But I think no direction is the best direction. I think a technology corporate boss is better than a business man

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:47 pm]

Anyway we still got 3- 4 years with trump

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:48 pm]

Let's focus on how to deal with trump


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 6:48 pm]

If we can survive this 4 years.


365, [10/7/2025 6:49 pm]

It's the cards we're dealt with, can only play to the best that we can. We don't have the capabilities to flip table.

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:50 pm]

Trump actions is basically flipping the table

365, [10/7/2025 6:51 pm]

Yeah, US can, SG cannot

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:52 pm]

Now we have a baseline on the 10% tariff. So what can we do

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:52 pm]

Either giving the 10% back to us consumer or suck thumb to pay part of 10 or all of the 10

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:53 pm]

I think that's the only option businesses can do

RY, [10/7/2025 6:55 pm]

It is a gd initiative for SG 

govt to help biz during this 'man-made tariff crisis" 

If the biz can survive during this crisis with govt assistance, when most costs are increasing, then  people may keep their jobs ... 

Just like the Cdc vouchers helping families in SG,  to tackle with the increasing cost of living

365, [10/7/2025 6:55 pm]

I think this highlights the importance of a strong economic alliance. ASEAN really isn't in an ideal position that we will band together against outside forces.

I doubt BRICS is not an option for Singapore in the near future due to our stance against Russia

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:56 pm]

Attract more regional business to do transfer? Will it cause sg kena more tariff?

RY, [10/7/2025 6:56 pm]

I pray hard that TACO maybe impeach soon ..

RY, [10/7/2025 6:57 pm]

Agree and Russia will not accept SG as BRICS member also

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:57 pm]

So I think don't do anything is the best

365, [10/7/2025 6:57 pm]

If we have a strong economic alliance, then Trump flip table we can just open another one. Now he flip table but we can't do anything except to carry on. Let's say if we ideally can expand until ASEAN + China + EU, then we just let Trump throw a tantrum and open another table ourselves, who cares.

RY, [10/7/2025 6:58 pm]

Sg is too small to have much influence in the world mkt

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:58 pm]

So you mean don't export to us?

365, [10/7/2025 6:58 pm]

Basically the stronger and larger an economic alliance is, the less likely that any single nation will be able to flip table and get away with it.

365, [10/7/2025 6:59 pm]

Don't export lor, we have other countries. We enclose and block out US and USD. That is an ideal scenario of a strong economic alliance, which currently does not exist.

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 6:59 pm]

A union except us?

RY, [10/7/2025 7:00 pm]

Best is to kick USA out of the WTO system 

Since TACO dont honour FTA sign earlier

365, [10/7/2025 7:00 pm]

You don't allow any single player to throw a tantrum

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:00 pm]

The thing is business that works with us will kena

RY, [10/7/2025 7:01 pm]

Maybe EU may join RCEP in future ....

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:01 pm]

And later sg cannot go Harvard

365, [10/7/2025 7:02 pm]

Sometimes, you need to take short term pain for long term benefits. Now you bite the bullet and tahan him, take the small loss, then you'll continue taking small losses in future.

Compared to you take a big and quick pain, then recover and thrive from then on. We don't even have this option to consider in the current political climate.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:02 pm]

Many of our scholars in Harvard still stuck.

Visa not renew.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:02 pm]

How is the Harvard episode ?

Ard 100+ SG students still there

365, [10/7/2025 7:03 pm]

It feels like they are trying to convert countries into their vessel states without making it official

RY, [10/7/2025 7:05 pm]

Vessel states like HK ....

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:05 pm]

I think these tariff will not last forever one. Next president will revoke it

RY, [10/7/2025 7:05 pm]

Exactly


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:06 pm]

Tariff once impose very difficult to remove.


365, [10/7/2025 7:06 pm]

Biden didn't remove the tariffs from trump's first term

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:06 pm]

Not president command meh


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:06 pm]

Can assume US is no longer a good place to trade.

Must look for alternative replacement.


365, [10/7/2025 7:07 pm]

Besides, if the tariffs really work for them, then the next president to take it off will lose a lot of political standing. That's why it's best if we can make it not work in their favor.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:07 pm]

Because local industries will insist on non removal of tariffs to protect their business from non competition.

Local workers expect their industry and jobs to be protected.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:07 pm]

FTA also can revoke, not to mention tariffs

365, [10/7/2025 7:07 pm]

Singapore individually don't have this power


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:08 pm]

Removal of tariffs often results in labour protest and militant Unions.


Steven Ong, [10/7/2025 7:09 pm]

A good lesson to every trading partner to diversify trading relationships


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:09 pm]

It takes decades of political will to push for globalisation and removal of tariffs.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:09 pm]

No smart leader will be as 'brainless" as TACO ...

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:10 pm]

Just don't go us lor

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:11 pm]

They are like a Pacific ocean away


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:11 pm]

US citizens will just have to live with high inflation and high cost of living.


Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:11 pm]

On the other side of the world, like we export many things to them


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:11 pm]

The world will lose one big consumption nation and one big market.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:12 pm]

Yes, every govt learning nowsaday not to depend on another country 

Hard lessons for Japan/Korea/EU also

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:12 pm]

More of we importing things from them


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:12 pm]

US form 10% of our total export about S$55 billion not that big.

China & HK we export more - double.

Hence we need to find new market, expand existing market or go into new areas that can replace our $55 billion.


Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:13 pm]

Like what we export sia

RY, [10/7/2025 7:13 pm]

USA just exporting services mainly and just few pdts eg planes (BOEING)

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:13 pm]

On the other side of the world leh

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:14 pm]

We also not a manufacturing country

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:15 pm]

Other than some small lab and pharma stuff

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:15 pm]

Which we import more

365, [10/7/2025 7:16 pm]

Machinery is the next biggest after all the medical stuff iirc

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:18 pm]

I heard from Dou yin since service is not part of tariff they split the parts and sell lessons how to assemble them

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:19 pm]

Just need to see what is exempted then we try to sell it through loop holes

365, [10/7/2025 7:20 pm]

Actually the biggest issue is the currency, I think if not for the USD being a global reserve, many more countries willing to just ignore them, even if it means giving up part of their business. Can slowly scale down. But the USD is holding all of them back.

RY, [10/7/2025 7:21 pm]

World leaders pls learn fm USD lessons

Steven Ong, [10/7/2025 7:25 pm]

One concern from this is the employment of the recent graduates.

RY, [10/7/2025 7:25 pm]

As per US law, only US Congress has the right for tariffs and not the President 

Hope the americans themselves can stop this " Senseless Tariff" episode 

No man can go above/ beyond the law/consitution


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:27 pm]

2 big components we export to US:-

1. Pharmaceutical 

2. Semiconductor 

We just need to scout around the world for customers to absorb our pharmaceutical and semiconductor of about $55 billion.

Then we will be safe.

But both these products are high value and high costs, only rich and developed countries can afford.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:27 pm]

Not only fresh graduates are impacted by this tariff episode, many matured workers are also

RY, [10/7/2025 7:28 pm]

China/Europe/Japan/Korea may absorb our semiconductor/pharma high-value pdts

365, [10/7/2025 7:30 pm]

Actually I'm quite curious, did we sell to them due to diplomacy, them being the highest bidder, or other factors? I don't think they won't be additional demand for those items from other countries.

If we have leftover stock then maybe it's worrisome. Else, it means we have more demand than supply. Need to know the actual facts.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:30 pm]

China cannot.

US sanctions Malaysia.

We better don't fall into the same trap.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:32 pm]

Not politics.

US consumers very rich, they buy many high price medicine.

They also buy many electronic and IT products.


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:33 pm]

US consumers are rich because they live on debt.


365, [10/7/2025 7:33 pm]

And how sure are we that there's no surplus demand from other countries that we haven't met yet? Because if that's all, then it's just a pricing issue, got negotiation leeway. Though the biggest headache is still the USD stranglehold after all.

RY, [10/7/2025 7:44 pm]

Oops, my bad ...

REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 7:45 pm]

Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

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RY, [10/7/2025 7:45 pm]

Many americans living in poverty also

RY, [10/7/2025 7:47 pm]

Due to MAGA & Harvard episode, US tourism already drop drastically


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:48 pm]

Yes.

We need to find the surplus demand from the rest of the world.


RY, [10/7/2025 7:48 pm]

US always busy sanction other countries over the years


LCL (Danny 心), [10/7/2025 7:48 pm]

That's why we need to be careful.


365, [10/7/2025 7:51 pm]

That's why more countries need to come together to ditch the USD and strip them of this unfair advantage. The idea that brics have is good, but the execution isn't there, especially with India blocking it

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:51 pm]

But if USD falls which will be the next currency that dominate the world

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:52 pm]

Don't buy us stock

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:52 pm]

A lot people use usdt as a substitute

Jun Ming, [10/7/2025 7:52 pm]

Not so sure if it is safe

365, [10/7/2025 7:52 pm]

That's the idea that brics is having for a while already. A new global currency that isn't tied to any one country. It's just a pity that India isn't aligned and so nothing can be executed.

RY, [10/7/2025 7:53 pm]

Lets pray this Brainless Maga President may step down/impeach in near future  

And the world trade maybe able to revert to normal 

For all the bad deeds that USA done eg supporting Israel (genocider), US will sure have their karma one day

365, [10/7/2025 7:53 pm]

If not, there could be slow and steady adoption, and maybe could work within the next decade or 2

RY, [10/7/2025 7:55 pm]

Crazy India who oppose every agenda 

India is just simply trouble-maker in most of Group eg BRICS, maybe with US "instruction"

RY, [10/7/2025 7:56 pm]

No country single currency shd dominate the financial world 

A lesson that every country leader should learn fm USA episode

RY, [10/7/2025 7:58 pm]

Tks Reach Team and GdNite Participants 🙏

REACH Singapore, [10/7/2025 8:00 pm]

Dear Contributors

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

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