REACH (Telegram) 107 - What are your thoughts on the issues to be discussed in Parliament today? Which issue interests you the most?
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06 Nov 2025 (10am - 7pm)
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REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 9:45 am]
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REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 10:01 am]
📢 Topic 📢
Yesterday, Parliament passed the Online Safety (Relief and Accountability) Act. This is a new law to better protect victims of online harms, such as doxxing, online stalking, and online sexual harassment. The Act will also establish the Online Safety Commission (OSC), a government agency that can direct platforms to take down harmful content and unmask anonymous perpetrators, by June 2026.
Minister of Digital Development and Information Josephine Teo highlighted that Singapore will be one of a few countries with an agency dedicated to helping victims of online harms, and drew lessons from Australia’s eSafety Commissioner set up in 2015. Minister Teo emphasised that by fostering trust in online spaces, Singaporeans can participate safely and confidently in our digital society.
💬 What are your views on the Online Safety (Relief and Accountability) Act?
📌 Current Situation
A 2025 study by the Infocomm Media Development Authority (IMDA) found that platforms take about five days or more to act on valid reports of online harm. Victims often live in fear as perpetrators are anonymous. Many are also daunted by the complex and expensive court processes for seeking remedies.
📌 About the Act
Firstly, victims can file reports to the OSC if platforms fail to remove harmful content within 24 hours. The Commissioner of Online Safety can then issue directions to platforms to take down the content, restrict perpetrators’ online accounts or allow victims to post replies. The degree of harm caused, the number of people harmed and the likelihood of further harm online will be taken into consideration by the OSC before issuing a direction. The OSC will also publish guidelines detailing the factors that the it will consider in its decision-making process.
Secondly, the OSC can obtain perpetrators' identifying information from platforms and disclose their identities to victims.
Thirdly, the Act will introduce statutory torts. This allows victims to initiate legal proceedings against those responsible for causing or continuing the harm.
📌 Clarifications in Parliament
Several MPs raised clarification questions. On whether victims would have to approach multiple agencies, Minister of State at the Ministry of Digital Development and Information Rahayu Mahzam said that the Government will adopt a “no wrong door” policy for victims, and the OSC will work closely with other agencies, including the police, to minimise the need for multiple reports. On the OSC's manpower, Minister of State Rahayu assured that OSC officers will have a good understanding of our society and online norms, and will be trained in communications and victim management.
👉🏻 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/singapore-parliament-passes-online-harms-bill-after-more-than-eight-hours-of-debate
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LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 10:04 am]
395. I post in REACH (Telegram) LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2025 11:28 am]:-
1. This is a very tragic case when a young life is torture for 1 year without anyone suspecting the abuse has taken place.
2. Though eventually some suspicion surface and some actions taken, unfortunately it is not timely or far enough to extricate the young one from harm.
3. The root cause is lack of information and unable to share information across agencies - public and private.
4. Hence I suggest an online child care protection information system should be developed for those involved in child protection agencies be it government or private agencies be shared.
5. At the same time, risk indicators should also be flagged by the system if risk profile warrant the need for intervention and immediate extrication.
6. Officers accessing the web-based system or mobile apps when handling child case such as pre-school, EDCA, child protection agency, police etc will have a real time online information whether the child is at risk - so that officers will not have to 2nd guess the child is only subjected to "normal" discipline or falling that cause the bruise or injuries based on the risk profile of the family.
7. The risk indicators could be green, yellow or red - based on inputs of officers who are mandatory to file an online case when a child abuse is suspected.
8. Hence any officers who assessed the system in any agencies and their supervisors will have an overall views of the child risk profile and act accordingly.
9. The respective officers when filing or accessing the system will be logged and if for example an audio clip such as telephone conversation need to be filed, the system will prompt a reminder to the officer to attach the audio clip - else filing will be flagged as incomplete filing - supervisor will be alerted by SMS (through the SMS gateway) attached to the system.
This will be an almost foolproof way to ensure a child abuse case is constantly track.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2025 12:15 pm]
13. Now with 4/5G RF or WiFi, with tablets, smartphones or laptops easily available, filing online cases through web based or mobile apps child protection system will be possible.
Officers anywhere can pull the digital file and have online full complete information about the child and take immediate action.
14. If the case indicator is flag red, the system should also be able to make a police report automatically via AI pulling out all the relevant information.
15. Hence making police report need not be up to the discretion of officer at hand who may misjudge the severity of the case - as AI could assess the risk profile as high risk by correlating all the text and audio files.
16. However, to prevent AI hallucinations, safeguard will need to be put in place.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2025 12:23 pm]
17. Safeguard could be, AI flag it as a high risk case, police report recommended.
18. SMS alert flag to the respective officers and supervisors.
19. Any officer who 1st access to the alert will have to acknowledge and click "File police report" button before a police report is routed to the police for immediate action eg. Perform extrication.
LCL (Danny 心), [24/10/2025 12:42 pm]
If input into an online child protection system - will have immediately flag as high risk case and warrant immediate actions.
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CNA news 05 Nov 2025 12:43PM(Updated: 05 Nov 2025 02:07PM)
The police have also "harnessed technology" for the case reviews, said Mr Goh, and have implemented solutions to trigger automatic notifications to IOs and their supervisors to complete time-sensitive tasks promptly.
Such cases are escalated to the regular case review sessions with supervisors for monitoring and guidance, and it is "standard procedure" for the police to work with other government agencies to locate missing persons, including sharing the data of these individuals, added Mr Goh.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 10:04 am]
This may involve the activation of MSF's round-the-clock Domestic Violence Emergency Response Team to provide immediate help to high-risk domestic violence cases with immediate safety concerns.
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CNA news 05 Nov 2025 01:20PM (Updated: 05 Nov 2025 03:18PM)
IMPROVEMENTS IN CHILD PROTECTION WORK
On the new social services coordination centre, Mr Lee said the centre will use technology to help the ministry “better detect, sense-make and connect the dots” for cases from different "touchpoints", such as the social services, education, pre-school, community and other sectors.
The new social services coordination centre will also provide “tighter links” to the police’s operations, Mr Lee added.
The ministry is also studying analytic tools to help connect the dots and see trends across agencies, allowing them to target efforts on higher risk cases.
“But having said that, we have to carefully validate these tools to avoid excessive false positives, which could overwhelm the system, and to avoid reinforcing stereotypes,” Mr Lee said.
Responding to questions about the thresholds involved in making reports of suspected abuse, Mr Lee said members can be assured that these reports are “simply to flag concerns”.
365, [6/11/2025 10:25 am]
First, how do we quantify "harm"? If a parady video was made to mock someone's action, does it constitute harm? If a comment was made with stating facts, but with an aggressive tone, does it constitute harm? It's better to scope this down, else I forsee more ways to abuse this and overwhelm the public office, leaving less resources for the more serious actual cases. And how do you even determine if you're being stalked? Someone searching for your name is stalking? Looking into your history of public posts that is open to all is stalking?
Second, this will have a wider effect on social behavior, not just on those who are the "perpetrators". Depending on how the law is enforced, it can lead to a softer society, where mere words is enough to cause harm. Society as a whole will become mentally less resilient.
Third, what can you do about those from foreign lands? The internet is an international space, not restricted by geographical location, unlike enforcement actions. International companies may not comply, and if matters get too much for them, may even consider cutting service for a small market like Singapore. Especially if their regional headquarters is not within Singapore itself. What Singapore considers as reasonable freedom of speech may not be what other countries or companies agree is reasonable freedom of speech.
My own conclusion is there need to narrow down the scope, and to be explicit on the boundary. Minor matters, such as text based harassment, can be completely blocked out by the users themselves. And text based harassment's harm can also be correlated with "victim's" mental fortitude as well. Online stalking can also be prevented by not posting everything about yourselves online. Singapore seems to be continuing the trend of an overprotective nanny state, not sure how I feel about that.
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 11:00 am]
[ Poll : I am confident that the Online Safety (Relief and Accountability) Act will provide stronger support and protection to victims of online harms. ]
- Strongly Agree
- Agree
- Neutral
- Disagree
- Strongly Disagree
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 11:02 am]
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💬 What are your views on the Online Safety (Relief and Accountability) Act?
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Megan 😊
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 11:21 am]
1. Based on what I read from the Bill, it focus on the following "harm" cause online which are quite blatantly flouting criminal laws whether online or done physically:-
a. Putting up harmful images of the victims that meant to embarrass or harass the victims.
Whether distributing images through social media comm channels via private chatgroups or posting it up in social media that can be seen by public at large or pasting physical posters in public places.
Blatantly, this is flouting criminal laws and there is no ambiguity that perpetrators should be tracked down and prosecuted.
b. Sexual harassment - whether conducted physically, through online means eg. telephone calls, social media chat comm., chatgroups that infringe the dignity and modesty of the victims are also infringement of the penal code and should be tracked down and prosecuted.
Again for such cases, there should be no ambiguity about curbing and prosecution.
c. Doxxing - by putting up victims personal information or victims family members, relatives or friends information publicly whether online or through physical posters - so that victims are subjected to mental or physical harassment, public trial or jungle law treatment and reputation damage - that will cause mental harm, physical harm (whereby public identify the doxxed victims and bash them up or do other harmful things) or even triggering victim to commit suicide is obviously infringing penal code - and need to be tracked down and prosecuted so as not to let perpetrators hide behind anonymous identity to commit such harmful acts.
d. Online stalking - refer to tailing along a victim online wherever, whenever and whatever the victim post online so as to criticize, abuse, annoy, embarrass, or just to provide the pressure or impression to the victims that "you are constantly track by me, I am your devil and make sure that I will mentally cause you uncomfortable online wherever, whenever and whatever you post".
This is unlike physical stalking that can post physical threat or even physical harassment that are of bigger magnitude in terms of harm.
Online stalking are of lesser magnitude in terms of physical harms but can have the following consequences:-
a. Mental harm - depending on the mental resiliency of the victims.
Some people are mentally strong and not perturbed by online stalking.
But some who are mentally less resilient can succumb to such persistent online stalking.
b. Some victims who cannot cope with online stalking could withdraw completely from social media.
c. Some victims who are more mentally resilient may just ignore online stalking until the perpretators feel no incentive to stalk the victims further.
A knife harms one.
Words can kill a thousand.
G, [6/11/2025 11:27 am]
Why is there a need to set up another new agency with this act?
More needless overheads like CEO, directors etc in govt.
Why can't it be subsumed under existing agencies and be headed by director level official
This would save a lot of taxpayer money for a function that's so limited in scope
365, [6/11/2025 11:33 am]
Then it seems like existing laws should cover them already.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 11:46 am]
Hmm...
Not sure.
I just reading from today's topic.
I not sure whether existing laws cover the above harmful acts.
Could be the act legally not adequately cover online offences? Only cover physical offences?
I don't know, i not legally trained.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 11:55 am]
1. Personally I feel that many people will not resort to approaching this online commission to stop online harms highlighted above - until and unless they have reached a point they cannot cope anymore.
Because most people will feel the hassle to do so.
多一事不如少一事。
Means why give more problem to ourselves and instead should let it pass.
2. So if the online harm has reached a point that the victims feel the impact or receive real harms in terms of monetary loss (eg. People stop dealing business with them) or people ostracized them or even physically or mentally harm them - then this commission will have a recourse for the victims to rely upon.
Else victims may suffer in silence, fight back or resort to other unwholesome means.
3. Singapore is a safe country for people to live, work, study and play in the physical space.
4. Ideally, in the online space, I believe many people aspire to feel safe as well.
And I believe there must be a lot of people raising this issue to the government before the government decide to act.
365, [6/11/2025 12:05 pm]
I hope it stays that way, we've witnessed trigger-happy lawsuits over the slightest things in the US, and with how influential they are in exporting culture, I fear an overly-wide net may lead to the same behavior over time.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:06 pm]
I understand.
Some people will prefer to have less rule and more freedom and want to develop more mental resilient with less help.
Some people will prefer to have more protection.
I ok, can sit in between.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:12 pm]
I recall when I started off with online social media posting - I was thrown into a deeper ocean - the world social media with many foreigners.
My mental strength need to be exceptionally strong because one chat topic is not 250 to 300 online members.
Normal topics can attract hundreds of people posting and responding.
Interesting topics can attract thousands of postings.
Once I encounter more than 10,000 responses in a very hot topic.
The topic are international in nature.
So this is how mental resiliency are build up.
But a good thing, identity can be anonymous - no problem with doxxing.
But most international online forum have been closed up ever since Trump win his 1st term.
So no more chance to develop and spar with online users all over the world.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:39 pm]
And sometimes, we never know what enormous outcome we can cause through online postings.
There is a reason why Trump and Kim Jong Un come to Singapore for peace talk over the nuclear jostling (IRBM landing near Guam, stealth bombers doing drill dummy nuclear drop in exchange).
Some more choose Sentosa instead of ShangriLa hotel (that have all the security in place just after the ShangriLa Security dialogue).
Because online discussion are watched by VIPs as well and any interesting discussion can trigger unexpected outcomes.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:40 pm]
So to have online guardians may be necessary.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:45 pm]
*Strategy to achieve food security goals*
1. To elaborate, reclassify and elevate food security as the same "strategic critical resources" equivalent to:-
a. Water security
b. Energy security.
2. Set 20x30x35 as a hard target. Mandate the following critical demand mass to buy and source from only locally produced farms that are collected, coordinated by a central locally produced food aggregator eg. NTUC Fairprice.
3. Identify critical demand mass to ensure the hard target can be hit with precision.
4. Identify the following demand mass as achievable hard target:-
(Source:- Google AI)
a. Military soldier - 51,000 active, 252,500 NSMen 303,500 headcounts.
b. School (primary 237,762, secondary 159,457, ITEs 28,000, JCs 25,123 , Polytechnics 21,100) centralised kitchen - 471,442. Universities headcount ?
c. Civil service and public service 154,000 headcounts.
d. SATs central kitchen - SIA flights - headcounts?
e. GLCs - headcounts?
f. NTUC food fare, Kopitiam food court - public patronage - estimated headcounts?
5. I think we have close to 1 million headcounts critical mass demand per month to gobble up locally produced green and meat - should be able to meet the hard target.
20x30x35.
Local high tech agri farms that produce green, fish, eggs, even cell culture meat etc will be viable and even flourish with a guaranteed market demand of 1 million consumers to consume the locally produced food.
6. The rest of 70% to 80% food requirements are still relying on cheaper imported foods.
7. So reclassifying and elevating food security as the same level with water and energy security will help to:-
a. Focus government attention and resources on local food production - but not overly make it fiscally unsustainable.
b. Energise local population on the importance and significance of local food security and production.
Hence able to entice domestic people to loosen their purse strings and pay a bit more like water (Newater, Desalination) or energy (like floating energy price).
c. Set aside some government funds to ensure the hard food security target is meet - and then rely on imported food to fill up the rest.
Then local farms will be viable and local talents will be willing to work on urban sustainability farms to secure our local food security .
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 12:55 pm]
Remember, during COVID-19 period, Malaysia encounter difficulty in getting chicken feed due to many countries closing their borders and transportation over seas are closed.
Price for chicken hike in Malaysia and in short supply.
As a result, Malaysia ban export of chicken and eggs to Singapore.
Singapore supermarket shelf overnight empty of chicken and eggs.
Singaporeans panic.
So reclassifying food security and pitching local food security as Strategic Critical Resource - the same status as Water Security and Energy Security - can ensure Singaporeans and residents have food to eat in time of crisis.
The 20x30x35 food security goals will ensure that we at least have local foods to eat if imported foods suddenly stop.
Eg. We have cell-culture chicken, steak, pork, mutton etc meat to eat though life poultry or lifestock meats are not available.
We have local green to eat.
We have local eggs to eat.
Potatoes as carbohydrates (if no rice).
So we have staple foods locally if all imported goods stopped.
And we won't go hungry just like water and electricity.
G, [6/11/2025 1:13 pm]
@reachsg2 is food security today's topic?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 1:13 pm]
No.
But critical enough to elaborate from last Parliamentary topic that have insufficient time to complete.
You can ignore if it bothers you.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 1:47 pm]
Previously, CNA online news open up discussion forum under each news articles.
Many locals practice their social media discussion on the online forum under each news articles.
Moods can also be sensed based on what issues are brought up during the discussion and which new articles or topics attract the most attention and diverse viewpoints can be seen.
But following international online news closing their discussion forum, CNA online news also follow suit.
Could be many unexpected outcomes that is difficult to control.
But many people lose the opportunity to hone their online social media postings in discussion forum.
And public mood sensing is also lost.
Personally I feel we are losing some critical opportunities to transform the world online for the better because any unwholesome and negative ideas are usually publicly challenged and majority of the people are rational and logical that can see what is right and what is wrong.
Public discussion can shape more wholesome behaviors and bring about a better world.
Xtra, [6/11/2025 2:03 pm]
What does OSRA add to our capabilities against online harms? I thought Govt can alrdy
Force people to take down content?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:07 pm]
I think you refer to pofma.
That is a person put up online posts that is not factual.
Then under pofma, the platform must allow the correct facts to be put up side by side with the inaccurate post.
Or take it down maybe (I not sure whether pofma cover this).
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:10 pm]
But I think this Bill cover recourse, as well as harmful content that have a direct personal impact - such as harassment, sexual infringement, doxxing (putting up of personal information that can cause personal damage) and stalking.
I think pofma and removing the content (which take longer and harm could have snowball) or platform refuse to comply - won't help the victims.
Based on what I read from this topic if I am not wrong.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:12 pm]
Pofma is targeting putting up inaccurate facts.
This Bill cover personal attacks if I understand correctly from the Bill.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:15 pm]
And interestingly, oppositions notably WP supported it.
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 2:19 pm]
📢 Topic 📢
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:24 pm]
Source :- Google AI
POFMA does not automatically mandate the removal of inaccurate online posts. Its primary tool is the Correction Direction, which requires the online post to have a notice attached with a link to the government's clarification, without the original post being removed. This allows readers to view both the original statement and the official facts to decide for themselves.
However, in more serious cases, a Minister can issue other types of directions that do require removal:
Stop Communication Direction: This requires the person who communicated the falsehood to take necessary steps to stop its further communication, which may include removing the content.
Disabling Direction: This can be issued to internet intermediaries (like social media platforms or internet service providers) to disable access for all end-users in Singapore to an online location that contains falsehoods. This effectively removes the content from public view in Singapore.
Platforms that fail to comply with a Disabling Direction or Stop Communication Direction can face significant penalties, including fines of up to S$1 million.
In summary, while the initial and most common action is a correction notice, POFMA does provide for mandatory removal in specific, serious circumstances through other types of directions.
Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act (POFMA)
30 Oct 2025 — Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act (POFMA) POFMA's primary tools to counter online falsehoods are the correction directions - the...
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:29 pm]
Confirm that pofma is a correction notice to put up correct facts - side by side with inaccurate online facts.
It does not take it down unless using other means.
Also both legal tools are not meant for protection and recourse against personal attacks that are of criminal intents such as sexual harassment, stalking, doxxing - meant to cause mental harm or even indirectly spill over to become physical harm.
G, [6/11/2025 2:31 pm]
POFMA gives the govt power to force correction notices on private citizens / entities.
What's the equivalent power private citizens / entities have against the govt should the govt post inaccurate online material?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:32 pm]
That's why this Bill is call "Online Safety" for personal protection.
Not online public discussion or public discourse for intellectual exchanges or discussion - that are not personal in nature.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:32 pm]
Can give examples?
G, [6/11/2025 2:34 pm]
Is there a need for examples when discussing whether or not an equivalent mechanism exists?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:35 pm]
Oh, so you are making a sweeping statement?
G, [6/11/2025 2:35 pm]
? What sweeping statement? Don't understand your train of thought
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:36 pm]
The equivalent mechanism is always say the truth, and public can ascertain whether what you say is true or not.
If true, government will respond.
If not true, then government will correct our statement - through pofma.
It goes either way.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:38 pm]
So this is the equivalent mechanism of public versus Government pofma.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:39 pm]
Basically give examples of how government say untrue thing and public cannot respond.
Because you are asking for equivalent mechanism.
If not, it become a sweeping statement.
G, [6/11/2025 2:41 pm]
Are you a representative of the govt? Why say "correct our statement"?
In its current form, the govt is not subject to POFMA orders as it's the enforcing authority.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:41 pm]
Public can respond in many ways:-
1. Mainstream media.
2. Social media
3. Write directly to the relevant government agencies.
So why public has no equivalent mechanism to respond?
G, [6/11/2025 2:42 pm]
They don't have the equivalent power to force the govt to change inaccurate statements
G, [6/11/2025 2:43 pm]
Why need examples? And how does it become sweeping statement without example?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:43 pm]
Public opinion will change the government position if our facts are correct.
G, [6/11/2025 2:43 pm]
It's not about opinion. It's about mechanism
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:43 pm]
Because you are making a general statement that are not back by examples.
G, [6/11/2025 2:44 pm]
? What general statement did I make? Please quote
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 2:45 pm]
I think I won't go into an endless loop with you.
G, [6/11/2025 2:49 pm]
No. You are putting words into my mouth. I did not make any "general statement" like you claimed.
I asked you to quote me the "general statement" that you claimed I made. But you have not done it, and instead responded with this.
G, [6/11/2025 3:05 pm]
This falsehood has to be corrected
The govt is not subjected to POFMA
Xtra, [6/11/2025 3:36 pm]
Speaking of parliament
Xtra, [6/11/2025 3:36 pm]
Xtra, [6/11/2025 3:36 pm]
This Oxley road saga rears its head again
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 3:37 pm]
Alot of fireworks will be invoked again.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 3:41 pm]
This group more reserve.
My previous group more chatty.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 3:44 pm]
Usually new ideas are coined by rubbing off diverse ideas from one another.
Even nasty ideas.
Joomua Tng, [6/11/2025 3:51 pm]
don't why bring up pofma.
it is a way for Singapore government to correct or put up a version of their storie (information, fact)
the day when the Singapore fail to up hold integrity by posting or publishing factual or truthful information is the day Singapore will start to die.
Singapore without integrity will surely die.
simple as that. the Singapore we know today since independent will be no more. it will be a different Singapore, likely to be part of a bigger country rather than a city state independent country.
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POFMA is to counter false information. fake news. that can be damaging to Singapore.
Main Stream Media cannot be trusted upon for integrity nor honesty nor morality.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 3:54 pm]
I agree with all you say except the last statement - main stream media cannot be trusted upon for integrity nor honesty nor morality.
It will be very sad if this is true because we get most of our information from mainstream media.
Social media - I always take it as a pinch of salt.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 3:54 pm]
In fact, all REACH topics are making reference to mainstream media reports.
Joomua Tng, [6/11/2025 3:57 pm]
i didn't state it clearly enough.
Main stream media not regulated are known to spread false or misleading information and propaganda.
Where money, corporations revenue are involved... unregulated media, main stream media or whatever stream..
.are equally unreliable.
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LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:00 pm]
Hmm...
You could be referring to overseas news outlets in which public lose confidence on some main stream media.
But I think Singapore CNA, Straits Times and local Chinese newspaper quite trustworthy.
I think CNA win alot of international broadcasting prizes.
Also follow closely by regional leaders and even in the West - got many foreign correspondents station all over the world.
I think our mainstream media are relatively trustworthy.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:02 pm]
Mediacorp wins 34 awards at World Media Festivals 2022 - CNA.
CNA’s news, current affairs and documentary programmes have bagged a total of 23 awards at the prestigious World Media Festivals Television & Corporate Media Awards 2022 in Hamburg, Germany. The awards included 13 gold awards, nine silver and one special award.
These formed the bulk of the 34 awards won by Mediacorp, the parent company of CNA.
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LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:02 pm]
So I think our local mainstream media should be reputable and trustworthy.
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 4:03 pm]
📢 Topic 📢
Joomua Tng, [6/11/2025 4:05 pm]
Singapore main stream media are not immune to lure of money nor exremism infiltration.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:07 pm]
Hmm....
I doubt so, because there are oversight on their news reporting.
Also there are check and balance.
If the news reported are found to be false or fabricated, it will be escalated to become a scandals and it won't go unpunished.
I believe.
Also by winning so many international prize - for a small country like Singapore say a lot of the quality of our mainstream media.
Joomua Tng, [6/11/2025 4:08 pm]
so long human are involved .....the possibility is there...how ever improbable or probable it id
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:09 pm]
Hahaha...
Agree with personal emotion....
But always trust humans always have the good side.
Joomua Tng, [6/11/2025 4:10 pm]
and the irrational and tribalism side.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:11 pm]
If people don't voice out in a public forum, it is not possible for people to know the diverse views.
Hence unable to correct misconceptions.
This is my real worry.
Being quiet is not something that is good.
A chatty forum will help to understand the people's mood which is more important.
Be it positive comments or negative comments.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:14 pm]
That is why always go for critical thinkings, rational and logical deduction and stay objective.
Be prepared to be corrected if we are wrong.
This is how we learned and matured.
Try doing the chat in a world forum, the fireworks are more intense multiple time.
Arguments will be scrutinized and challenged 360 degree - until our solution, reasoning and argument are water tight.
Then we can grow up very quickly and develop the mental strength and resiliency that cannot be learned in a classroom.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 4:30 pm]
How will such online social media training benefits us?
1. In study when presenting your thesis, dissertation or presentation of your project works - we will be subjected to the Prof, TA, peer review and if paper submitted to international bodies - 360 degree scrutiny and challenge will throw at us.
We must be able to defend our project and thesis and win over the peer review.
2. Likewise when we go to work and present your ideas or projects to our boss, partners, customers - we will similarly subject ourselves to such rigorous scrutiny, challenges and queries to poke holes at your solutions.
Are we able to withstand such scrutiny? If we can, we succeed and win the project.
Else we lose.
3. Likewise when participating in public forum to discuss public policies that affect the lives of every Singaporeans - can we withstand 360 degree scrutiny with workable, rational, fair, reasonable and logical arguments?
If we can, Government will adopt our suggestions that will benefit our people and the Country.
If not solutions, will be constructive feedback for the government to refine their policies (be it a positive or negative comments - but must be an honest one based on facts).
This is why we join the public forum.
Words when use correctly can bring immense benefits.
G, [6/11/2025 4:58 pm]
Too much public resources have been poured into this unnecessary saga
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 5:01 pm]
G, [6/11/2025 5:14 pm]
Are you prepared to be corrected about your earlier claim about "If not true, government will correct our statement - through pofma"? 😏
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 5:15 pm]
Huh?
Don't understand your question.
G, [6/11/2025 5:18 pm]
Here's the claim you made regarding equivalent mechanism
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 5:23 pm]
Ok I make it very simple.
1. If we put up a statement about a government policy eg. Through a social media, government has the right to correct the statement if inaccurate.
In a social media, to do so, government need to ensure the correct statement is tagged side by side with the incorrect statement.
There are no means to do so, unless through pofma that platform under the law, will need to comply.
2. Then what is the public equivalent to pofma?
Respond by tagging your statement under the pofma statement if you feel that the government pofma misrepresent facts.
This is the equivalent mechanism.
3. If you still unhappy that such response is not sufficient, you can write to mainstream media or the appropriate government agencies to put across your point of views.
Your response will be published all over the news - be it the mainstream media or social media.
Your views will not be muffled or silence.
Then the public will judge whose version of the story is accurate - Government or the person who put up the "inaccurate statement".
So neither sides are disadvantaged.
Without pofma, Government is at the disadvantage as it cannot respond appropriately and the person who raise it can hit and run.
With pofma, Government can tag side-by-side, point-by-point to correct inaccurate facts.
Likewise, the person also have equivalent advantage because he/she can respond directly to Government pofma statement if he/she feels that he/she is wrongly put down.
At the end, the public is the judge to determine who is right and wrong.
So public do have equivalent mechanism of a pofma.
And neither parties are disadvantaged.
Note that the Government represent the interest of the whole country and whatever the government do affect all the population.
It must have the means to protect its integrity else the whole country can be brought down by anyone who has ill intention.
The person if he is honest likewise can represent his own interest with open social media or equivalent - and the public can judge whether he is an honest guy or a guy who have ill intention.
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 5:41 pm]
I think this is good in terms of preventing online harm. But I think it is only limited to victim
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 5:42 pm]
Based on the interview in 958 with minister.
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 5:43 pm]
But some people are more weak to and think it is better to tolerate the harm
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 5:44 pm]
I wonder is there any bottom line for osc to do actions other than victim reporting
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 5:52 pm]
I think victims are given tools to take actions against the perpretators.
OSC basically take down harmful contents to stop and minimize the harmful effects as well as reveal the identity of the perpetrators. Not sure it will proceed to press charge under criminal laws.
Because like stalking, harassment, doxxing, sexual harassment - it is a personal attacks done online that cause mental distress, no physical harm or physical contact.
So likely to fall under civil law if I am not wrong.
Under civil law, victims need to sue himself/herself.
But I stand to be corrected because I am not from legal background.
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 5:53 pm]
But why name it osc. Sound like ocs
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 5:56 pm]
Online Safety Commission.
Not officer cadet school.
G, [6/11/2025 6:00 pm]
In this long comment, are you still implying that the govt can be POFMA-ed?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:01 pm]
Pofma is for government.
It don't apply to the public.
But public has sufficient tools and even stronger means to take on the government.
So I don't understand your concern.
G, [6/11/2025 6:03 pm]
Which law can the public use to force a correction notice on the govt?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:04 pm]
I think no point going round and round with you if you fail to understand the message that I am trying to convey.
I will stop my reply to you.
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 6:05 pm]
📢 Topic 📢
G, [6/11/2025 6:08 pm]
Your comments earlier indicate govt can be POFMA-ed.
But this is clearly not true.
Are you prepared to be corrected so as to stay objective and we can all learn and mature (these are your words)
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:10 pm]
I don't know where on earth did you pick up the statement that I say govt can be pofma-ed.
🙈
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:11 pm]
Now I correct you.
Your statement is incorrect.
G, [6/11/2025 6:15 pm]
I stand corrected. I mistook your broken English for describing that govt can be POFMA-ed
G, [6/11/2025 6:15 pm]
Now are you willing to be corrected for putting words into my mouth?
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:16 pm]
Ok thanks.
I accepted your apology.
And thanks for pointing out my broken English.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:16 pm]
Oh, is there any examples to support your statement.
G, [6/11/2025 6:17 pm]
Please quote the statement that you claimed I made.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:18 pm]
Sigh make me type out all the statement you made, very tiring like street fight.
Thought can elevate to higher level discussion.
G, [6/11/2025 6:20 pm]
U made a claim against me. I expect you to back up your own claim and hold yourself to the standards you have set yourself
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:20 pm]
I got take screenshots except cannot attached.
G, [6/11/2025 6:21 pm]
Then search for it and reply to it.
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 6:22 pm]
Aiyo the whole chat is y'all both quarreling
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:22 pm]
I tell you what, you win.
I very tired to do street fighting.
I taking my dinner.
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:22 pm]
Yah lor.
Got to stood so low.
Jun Ming, [6/11/2025 6:23 pm]
Got no time to read through all the things
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:24 pm]
But hor, world forum also like that.
When younger, got more energy, can sustain.
Now getting older, better to do more sensible discussion rather than mud slinging.
More about ego fighting if go down to the level of street fighting.
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 6:24 pm]
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We appreciate your co-operation to adhere to our TOU during our discussions.
Thank you.
Megan
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 6:24 pm]
LCL (Danny 心), [6/11/2025 6:25 pm]
Certainly.
Apologize for the exchange.
G, [6/11/2025 6:29 pm]
I see. That's how it ends.
Denying putting words in my mouth when you clearly did
So much for being prepared to be corrected when you are wrong
G, [6/11/2025 6:30 pm]
Ok la. Something different from long AI generated cut and paste monologues we get here like 80% of the time
G, [6/11/2025 6:31 pm]
Also appreciate when you step in more often and limit monologues that are irrelevant to the day's topic.
Thanks!
G, [6/11/2025 6:43 pm]
Ok thanks.
I accept your broken English apology
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 6:45 pm]
Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
REACH Singapore, [6/11/2025 7:01 pm]
Dear Contributors
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
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