REACH (Telegram) 168 - What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects
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[30/10/2026 10:01 am] REACH Telegram Administrator: ๐ข Topic ๐ข
On Oct 28, the Housing and Development Board (HDB) announced revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks that will retain more greenery and reduce the number of planned homes by about 1,200, following public feedback and environmental studies.
HDB stated that:
(1) The revised plans are expected to yield about 11,000 homes across both sites over the next decade, with about 4,000 public housing units at Maju Forest and about 7,000 homes at Gillman Barracks, of which around 5,500 will be public housing;
(2) At Maju Forest, the retained greenery will increase from about 8ha to 10ha, or about 45 per cent of the 23ha site, and the retained area will be designated as a new nature park to strengthen ecological connectivity along the Clementi Nature Corridor;
(3) At Gillman Barracks, the area set aside for greenery will increase from about 8ha to 12ha, with more existing forest retained and a widened ecological corridor to improve wildlife connectivity within the Southern Ridges and towards Berlayar Creek and Labrador Nature Reserve;
(4) The revised plans were shaped by public consultation and engagement, during which HDB received about 7,200 feedback submissions for Maju Forest and 2,300 for Gillman Barracks, and engaged about 1,000 stakeholders;
(5) HDB said alternative vacant and brownfield sites were reviewed, but some are already planned for housing, still needed for other uses, or will not be available within the timeframe in which homes are needed;
(6) Before development works in vegetated areas begin, an environmental management and monitoring plan will be put in place to minimise environmental impact and protect greenery and ecological features identified for retention.
๐ฌ What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects?
๐ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-nature-park-better-connectivity-for-wildlife-in-updated-plans-for-maju-forest-gillman-barracks
๐ https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-greenery-retained-in-maju-forest-gillman-barracks-under-revised-plans
๐ https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/maju-forest-gillman-barracks-homes-plans-revised-hdb-6499241
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[30/10/2026 10:03 am] Jun Ming: Gov don't get the gese. Anyway why is maju forest develop from the center
[30/10/2026 10:03 am] Jun Ming: Directly from core
[30/10/2026 10:03 am] Jun Ming: You called that conservation
[30/10/2026 10:04 am] Jun Ming: Why it is not develop from the perimeter
[30/10/2026 10:07 am] Kai Bin in reply to REACH Telegram Administrator:
> ๐ข Topic ๐ข On Oct 28, the Housing and Development Board (HDB)...
My opinion is that Maju Forest should be converted into a nature reserve, just like the central catchment nature reserve.
[30/10/2026 10:07 am] Jun Ming: Maybe the retain land shall be develop and the planned develop land shall retain as green spaces( forested area not grass patch)
[30/10/2026 10:08 am] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> Maybe the retain land shall be develop and the planned develop...
For maju forest
[30/10/2026 10:11 am] Jun Ming: I pretty sure they can build up to 60 storey high
[30/10/2026 10:13 am] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> I pretty sure they can build up to 60 storey high
And if one level is 4 household it is 240 household and and 10 building will be 2400 household
[30/10/2026 10:21 am] Jun Ming: Alternative we can build household above the current roads. Such as expressway, you build a 30 storey building above expressway.
[30/10/2026 10:22 am] Jun Ming: Just like how building are above cte
[30/10/2026 10:25 am] Andrew Goh: I am glad that the public voices are heard and considered.
[30/10/2026 10:26 am] Adam: I feel like a lot of the voices are by nimbys
[30/10/2026 10:27 am] Adam: I understand the need for nature but they conservationists too are cashing checks they dont need to pay for
[30/10/2026 10:28 am] Adam: If the govt is heading this way, changing long term plans based on public outcries, in a couple years time people will plead for the govt to extend their hdb lease
[30/10/2026 10:28 am] Adam: Can cite not enough houses or tearing down bad for environment
[30/10/2026 10:29 am] Adam: Forget about the ura master plan
[30/10/2026 10:29 am] Adam: Its the law of the jungle
[30/10/2026 10:32 am] Adam: Like indonesia burn trees and can sway govt to block investigation
[30/10/2026 10:34 am] Adam: If enough people complain to the govt they can huat
[30/10/2026 10:39 am] Adam: I think that the govt needs to also have a close look at how this new plans affect property prices in the area
[30/10/2026 10:39 am] Adam: There are a bunch of govt workers privy to the information
[30/10/2026 10:40 am] Adam: Bunch of public invited to discuss
[30/10/2026 10:40 am] Adam: Like the 8 who are investigated for buying property bear unannounced mrt, are there those that are doing same here?
[30/10/2026 10:42 am] Adam: Or are there conflicts of interest and receiving of gifts in the discussions?
[30/10/2026 11:00 am] REACH Telegram Administrator:
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[ Poll : 1. I support the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks. ]
- Strongly Agree
- Agree
- Neutral
- Disagree
- Strongly Disagree
[30/10/2026 11:00 am] REACH Telegram Administrator:
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[ Poll : 2. I am confident in the Government’s ability to balance housing needs with conservation in future redevelopment projects. ]
- Strongly Agree
- Agree
- Neutral
- Disagree
- Strongly Disagree
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๐ฌ What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects?
Thank you.
Megan ๐
[30/10/2026 11:03 am] REACH Telegram Administrator: [ ๐ป Sticker ]
[30/10/2026 11:04 am] G in reply to REACH Telegram Administrator:
> ๐ข Topic ๐ข On Oct 28, the Housing and Development Board (HDB)...
Actually why even need to deforest and develop maju?
Isn't paya lebar airbase supposed to be converted into high density housing soon
Such a big land area there
[30/10/2026 11:07 am] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Adam:
> Like indonesia burn trees and can sway govt to block...
Luckily we have managed to avert a near confrontation with a big neighbor through skilful diplomacy - last minute.
It could have suddenly turned very ugly if our government didn't respond appropriately and effectively in time to prevent escalation and snowballing.
[30/10/2026 11:11 am] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
Actually maju forest and Gilman Barracks are reserved space for housing development.
It is not a nature reserve and trees grow while being kept aside for development - essentially a secondary forest.
Hence I am happy with what the government is doing currently by setting aside enough lands for housing development and yet able to conserve a good part of the forest for conservation.
[30/10/2026 11:13 am] G in reply to REACH Telegram Administrator:
> Dear Contributors, Please take a moment to participate in our...
So revised areas for development at
Maju: 13 hectares
Yielding 4,000 flats (i.e. households)
Compare with:
Ridout estate: 10 hectares enjoyed by a handful of households
Why not demolish and develop Ridout before deforesting Maju?
[30/10/2026 11:14 am] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
I will like to suggest that government should look at all the reserve lands for housing development - to ensure to trim and cut down all the trees that grow on the land reserve for housing to avoid such confrontation between conservationists and the need for development in future.
[30/10/2026 11:15 am] G in reply to G:
> So revised areas for development at Maju:...
3.2 hectares of B&W bungalows at Ridout road have just 2 housholds
And the govt themselves have admitted that had the 2 households not moved in, the govt was spending quite a bit just to maintain the unused space, which cannot be enjoyed by the public
[30/10/2026 11:18 am] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Actually maju forest and Gilman Barracks are reserved space...
I am of the view of a good balance between Development needs + Conservation.
A Middle Path - to ensure our population will have sufficient needs for housing and development as well as space for nature reserves.
Either extremes - full conservation or full development is bad for Singapore development and the economy.
[30/10/2026 11:20 am] G in reply to REACH Telegram Administrator:
> Dear Contributors, Please take a moment to participate in our...
The B&W bungalows at Ridout and other places can still be preserved whilst HDB builds flats around them
This is similar to several condos that have conserved colonial buildings within their premises
[30/10/2026 11:22 am] G in reply to REACH Telegram Administrator:
> ๐ข Topic ๐ข On Oct 28, the Housing and Development Board (HDB)...
Yes, eventually forests like Maju / Gillman will have to be deforested for development when SG truly runs out of space
But now it seems there's still a lot of space that's not utilised
So why choose to develop maju and Gillman now instead of developing low density areas like Ridout whilst conserving colonial buildings?
[30/10/2026 11:25 am] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
I will also support a good mix of :-
1. HDB BTO flats
2. Exec condo
3. Private condo & mixed apartment
4. Landed properties - terrace, semi-detached and bungalows.
5. GCB
To cater for a different mix of our population - that earmark a successful capitalist system with a vibrant market economy driving entrepreneurship, innovation, creativeness, and attract investment - creating business and jobs.
A reward for talent that work hard and contribute to the success and prosperity of Singapore.
At the same time, allow some socialist bends to operate through government grants and tax transfer - so that majority of the population has access and able to own their HDB BTO flats through generous grants.
GCB are mainly owned by our successful billionaires, professionals, entrepreneurs etc that help Singapore to build successful enterprises, create investment, create jobs - and make Singapore successful and prosperous.
In fact, many countries want to attract such talents to their countries with more generous offers.
Hence we must ensure we have good mix of housing including GCBs to anchor such talents in our Country - to ensure continuous success and prosperity.
[30/10/2026 12:09 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> I will also support a good mix of :- 1. HDB BTO flats 2....
Else if we remove the GCB, all these billionaires will leave our shores, they will pull out their conglomerates, their investment to countries that welcome them with open arms and generous offers.
Then Singapore will lose jobs enmass, lose business and investment.
Singapore will go back to stone age.
No need to pitch development with conservation.
Because there will be no fund to build HDB BTO or private houses.
We can all live in the forest.
[30/10/2026 12:11 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Else if we remove the GCB, all these billionaires will leave...
What kind of fearmongering is this
[30/10/2026 12:15 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Else if we remove the GCB, all these billionaires will leave...
๐ are you saying the only reason these foreign investments come to SG is because of GCBs?
What about the conducive business environment compared to other places?
If anything, what GCBs seems to be attracting lately are money washers and those "family offices" type of people
Either wash or park money
[30/10/2026 12:18 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
Source:- Google Gemini AI
AI Overview
Good Class Bungalows (GCBs) in Singapore are legally restricted to Singapore citizens.
Global Mortgage Group
Ownership Rules
Singapore Citizens: Can buy GCBs with no restriction under the Residential Property Act.
lovelyhomes.com.sg
Permanent Residents (PRs): Must apply for special approval through the Singapore Land Authority's (SLA) Land Dealings Approval Unit (LDAU). Approval is rare and usually requires a proven, substantial economic contribution to Singapore.
lovelyhomes.com.sg
Foreigners: Are strictly prohibited from owning a GCB in any of the 39 designated GCB areas. (Foreigners wishing to buy landed property are generally limited to specific developments like Sentosa Cove).
Who Typical GCB Owners Are
Profile: Ultra-high-net-worth individuals (UHNWIs), prominent local entrepreneurs, tech founders, and old-money families.
·r/askSingapore
+2
Examples of Known Owners:
Tan Min-Liang (Razer)
Chew Shou Zi (TikTok)
Ian Ang (Secretlab)
Goh Cheng Liang (Vibrant Group / Nippon Paint)
James Dyson
8days.sg
If you'd like, I can share more details on:
The 39 designated GCB locations
The minimum land size and URA rules (such as the 1,400 sqm requirement)
Recent transaction prices in the GCB market
[30/10/2026 12:20 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Source:- Google Gemini AI AI Overview Good Class Bungalows...
GCB are reserved for only Singapore citizens and PRs with proven, substantial economic contribution to Singapore.
[30/10/2026 12:21 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> GCB are reserved for only Singapore citizens and PRs with...
So if these people call SG home, why would the lack of GCBs compel them to leave per your fearmongering?
[30/10/2026 12:23 pm] Daniel in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> GCB are reserved for only Singapore citizens and PRs with...
Can be rented out to foreigners though, so not sure your billionaire argument is as convincing as you think.
[30/10/2026 12:27 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Daniel:
> Can be rented out to foreigners though,...
All houses including HDB flats can rent out to foreigners provided they meet conditions.
Why should GCB be excluded?
[30/10/2026 12:27 pm] Adam: We need to have a land value tax
[30/10/2026 12:27 pm] Adam: People who live in low density places pay more
[30/10/2026 12:27 pm] Adam: Can use to fund housing subsidy
[30/10/2026 12:27 pm] Adam: Fund construction of houses
[30/10/2026 12:28 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Adam:
> We need to have a land value tax
Which is the property tax.
They already pay more.
[30/10/2026 12:28 pm] Adam: If the area is prime enough the tax probably can fund land reclaimation
[30/10/2026 12:28 pm] Daniel in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> All houses including HDB flats can rent out to foreigners...
Sure, that was just to counter your argument that those local and PR billionaires will leave because they can't stay in GCB, likely a lot of those are for investment or rental income instead.
[30/10/2026 12:28 pm] Adam in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Which is the property tax. They already pay more.
Clearly its not high enough
[30/10/2026 12:28 pm] Adam: Land value
[30/10/2026 12:29 pm] Adam: If the gcb can be used to build prime plus housing of 1000 households, then pay 1000 household of unsubsidized taxes
[30/10/2026 12:30 pm] Adam: Plus cost of social friction
[30/10/2026 12:30 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Daniel:
> Sure, that was just to counter your argument that those local...
Source:- Google Gemini AI
Most owners live in their Good Class Bungalows (GCBs) in Singapore rather than renting them out because these ultra-luxurious properties serve primarily as high-status family homes and legacy assets rather than commercial investment plays.
• The Expatriate/VIP Tenant Pool: The small percentage of GCBs that do hit the rental market are typically leased to ultra-high-net-worth foreign families, senior corporate executives, or visiting dignitaries whose housing costs are backed by corporate packages.
• Regulatory Rules: Renting out a GCB follows standard URA private residential guidelines, which require a minimum stay of three consecutive months (no short-term or daily/weekly airbnb-style rentals).
[30/10/2026 12:31 pm] Adam: Housing as an asset is a mistake
[30/10/2026 12:33 pm] G in reply to Adam:
> Housing as an asset is a mistake
*Public housing as an asset is a mistake
[30/10/2026 12:36 pm] Adam in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Source:- Google Gemini AI Most owners live in their...
1) A car loses all its coe after 10 years. Why not these high val houses. They are both neccessity for living and luxury for showing off like cars too.
2) why must it be landed and low density. These people can still have sky high penthouses and look down on plebians too.
3) regulation can change. Are we gonna be locked down by policies decades old in 2026?
[30/10/2026 12:37 pm] Adam: If follow regulation then also we stop at 2 and let tfr plummet
[30/10/2026 12:40 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> GCB are reserved for only Singapore citizens and PRs with...
You forgot to mention trusts ๐
[30/10/2026 12:52 pm] G: Never mind GCBs..
There are still many low density colonial housing scattered around SG that can be developed into higher density housing
[30/10/2026 12:53 pm] Daniel: Not only colonial housing, also terraced houses and other landed estates.
[30/10/2026 1:00 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Daniel:
> Not only colonial housing, also terraced houses and other...
If we mess around with the mix of housing types - we will be creating social tension within our society and cause economic impact by tearing up the social fabric that create our successful capitalist system and market economy.
[30/10/2026 1:02 pm] REACH Telegram Administrator:
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Dear Contributors,
Please take a moment to participate in our polls and share your opinion. The poll questions are pinned for easy reference and your vote is anonymous.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts on today’s topic!
๐ฌ What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects?
Thank you.
Megan ๐
[30/10/2026 1:08 pm] Jun Ming in reply to G:
> Yes, eventually forests like Maju / Gillman will have to be...
Ya if it's going to develop why now why not develop those unutilized space first and seek for a better solution
[30/10/2026 1:09 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> Ya if it's going to develop why now why not develop those...
Is it because y'all develop a mrt station called maju
[30/10/2026 1:09 pm] Adam: Probably have some contracts and agreements the gov is waiting to expire
[30/10/2026 1:09 pm] Adam: Gov is already gonna redevelop golf courses soon
[30/10/2026 1:11 pm] G in reply to Daniel:
> Not only colonial housing, also terraced houses and other...
That one harder to acquire since it's private housing.. and people by and large don't like it when land acquisition act gets thrown at them (recent example, 38 Oxley road ๐)
But colonial buildings already owned by the state.. so a lot more straightforward
[30/10/2026 1:11 pm] Adam: Dont use land acquisition act
[30/10/2026 1:11 pm] Adam: The govt has a lot of levers
[30/10/2026 1:12 pm] Adam: People choose to live there
[30/10/2026 1:12 pm] Adam: Make it such that living there isnt worth
[30/10/2026 1:12 pm] Adam: Tax on land value
[30/10/2026 1:13 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> If we mess around with the mix of housing types - we will be...
Please stop fearmongering
Social tension is contributed a lot more significantly by mass immigration than housing types
[30/10/2026 1:13 pm] Adam: If the govt really want the land, do this. Simply buy one house at market value.
Turn that area into a red light district. Buy another house. Turn that into workers dorm
[30/10/2026 1:14 pm] Adam: Buy rest at market value
[30/10/2026 1:15 pm] Jun Ming: And the grc will lose to oppo
[30/10/2026 1:17 pm] Jun Ming: But tbh clementi area quite dense liao eh
[30/10/2026 1:25 pm] Adam: Just adjust borders of grc
[30/10/2026 1:27 pm] Adam: Imho grc system is flawed anyway. People vote on their backyard but govt has to balance progress of nation as a whole
[30/10/2026 1:28 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Jun Ming:
> But tbh clementi area quite dense liao eh
Only about 2-3 parliamentary worth for now though. Not really big.
[30/10/2026 1:56 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Luckily we have managed to avert a near confrontation with a...
"Trust but diversify: Lessons for Singapore from the haze-related friction with Indonesia.
The Republic has good reason to acknowledge its strengths after the recent friction with Indonesia. But confidence must not give way to jingoism."
On the diplomatic front, judging from Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan’s remarks during his Jakarta visit this week (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-indonesia-to-move-quickly-on-joint-haze-task-force-says-vivian-balakrishnan?ref=inline-article), Singapore appears to have chosen a pragmatic, outcomes-oriented approach.
That has meant resisting the impulse, and some domestic pressure, to ratchet things up. Indeed, strident voices spoiling for a fight have emerged in both Indonesia and Singapore.
As Balakrishnan put it, precisely at a moment like this, it is “important for cool heads to prevail, for direct, honest, candid, constructive conversations to be had, and for us to look for a collective approach”.
Here, too, is something worth appreciating – level-headedness at the highest level, rather than the caprice, short fuses and loose talk of a government and its network of proxies prone to lashing out.
https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/trust-but-diversify-lessons-for-singapore-from-the-haze-related-friction-with-indonesia#:~:text=Trust%20but%20diversify,way%20to%20jingoism.
[30/10/2026 2:00 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> "Trust but diversify: Lessons for Singapore from the...
There is something to learn from this friction on haze with our big neighbor.
Calm, rational and logic level in resolving the haze problem.
Taking the Middle Path without going to either extremes.
Similarly, this approach should also apply to Development versus Conservation - taking neither the 2 extremes.
But adopt the Middle Path - in balancing Development and Conservation.
Taking either the 2 extremes is a sure way to bring head-on collision between Development versus Conservation - that we need to avoid at all costs.
At the end of the day, we all will lose badly.
The extreme views of the conservation didn't go down well with the development when they read what the conservation wrote.
Be careful.
Many are very influential people and if they are anger enough, the conservation could be in for a surprise.
Reckless talks come with consequences.
[30/10/2026 2:20 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> "Trust but diversify: Lessons for Singapore from the...
Some commentators have suggested that Singapore’s recent haze-related diplomatic friction with Indonesia is a useful reminder of the Republic’s old vulnerabilities.
Indeed, Singaporeans could do with the occasional booster shot against the belief that they live in a permanently, intrinsically peaceable environment.
The reality is that the island’s neighbours still control some crucial chokepoints.
Grow up, to borrow Lee Kuan Yew’s words. That is all true, as far as it goes.
But the events of the past few weeks also offer a chance to take stock of Singapore’s comparative strengths on the flipside of vulnerability – the resilience of its people and the competence of its administration.
[30/10/2026 3:00 pm] REACH Telegram Administrator:
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Dear Contributors,
Please take a moment to participate in our polls and share your opinion. The poll questions are pinned for easy reference and your vote is anonymous.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts on today’s topic!
๐ฌ What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects?
Thank you.
Megan ๐
[30/10/2026 4:32 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> "Trust but diversify: Lessons for Singapore from the...
@reachsg1 Not on topic leh
[30/10/2026 5:04 pm] Jun Ming: Gillman and Maju residents have expressed deep disappointment that their request to review revised development plans before their announcement was declined, calling for meaningful participation, clearer environmental safeguards and accountability.
https://theonlinecitizen.com/2026/10/30/gillman-and-maju-residents-disappointed-over-denied-review-of-revised-plans-call-for-meaningful-public-input
[30/10/2026 5:08 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Jun Ming:
> Gillman and Maju residents have expressed deep disappointment...
Me and people who care about whatever forests we have left will continue to push for full conservation. What MND did is merely tokenistic.
[30/10/2026 5:08 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: It doesn't reflect a serious commitment to the conservation of the environment.
[30/10/2026 5:09 pm] REACH Singapore:
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[30/10/2026 5:11 pm] REACH Singapore in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Some commentators have suggested that Singapore’s recent...
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[30/10/2026 5:22 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: I continue to remain and will push for full conservation of the remaining forests of Singapore. They have played a pivotal role in stopping Singapore from facing the worst effects of the haze recently and will continue to protect Singapore in many intangible ways.
[30/10/2026 5:22 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: To miss the forest for the trees is to want worse for every Singaporean, now and beyond.
[30/10/2026 5:23 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
A good summary:-
The government received 9,500 total feedback submissions (7,200 for Maju Forest; 2,300 for Gillman Barracks) and held focus groups with over 1,000 stakeholders.
The feedback and consensus regarding the revised plan are categorized below:
๐ฟ Nature Groups: A Favorable Compromise
Prominent groups, including the Nature Society (Singapore) (NSS) and the Bird Society of Singapore, viewed the revisions as a "good compromise" between housing demands and ecological conservation.
• The Wins: The revised plan increases preserved greenery at Maju Forest from 35% to 45% (10ha), and at Gillman Barracks from 40% to 60% (12ha). NParks will safeguard these as official Nature Parks.
• The Caveats: Activists emphasized that development must strictly comply with rigorous environmental management and monitoring plans (EMMP). They cautioned that any clearance still impacts local biodiversity and ecological corridors.
๐ก Resident Associations: Mixed & Polarized Reactions
Feedback from residents living near Sunset Way (Maju) and Telok Blangah/Alexandra (Gillman) was split:
• The Dissatisfied: Some residents felt the adjustments were "arbitrary" and "not meaningful," noting that adding 2 hectares back to the forest felt like a mere negotiation rather than true preservation. Proponents of alternative proposals—like A Better Plan for Gillman (which suggested shifting housing entirely to Alexandra Park)—were disappointed their plans were deemed unfeasible due to immediate housing timelines.
• The Supportive: Other residents welcomed the government's concessions, explicitly supporting the revised compromise. They recognized the dual pressure of preserving natural heritage while providing housing so newer generations can live closer to their families.
๐️ Parliamentary Discussions: Demands for Transparency
Prior to the revised rollout, Members of Parliament (MPs) representing the affected areas actively brought resident grievances to the floor:
• Stances & Queries: MPs pressed for specifics regarding exact housing yields, environmental models, and alternative brownfield sites. They raised deep concerns over the loss of biodiversity, microclimate heat impacts, and how the ecological connectivity widths were calculated.
• The Government Response: Minister of State for National Development, Alvin Tan, stated that the Environmental Impact Assessments (EIA) and Heritage Impact Assessments (HIA) were highly integral to reshaping the initial drafts. To preserve the expanded greenery, the government announced it would build "taller where we can" to absorb the density, resulting in 1,200 fewer total housing units across both estates than originally planned.
[30/10/2026 5:27 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> A good summary:- The government received 9,500 total feedback...
The overall response seems to tilt towards favourable response to the revised plan for maju forest and Gilman Barracks - though there are minority with dissenting voice.
But the majority seems to be agreeable to support the revised plan.
Even this REACH poll leans towards supporting the revised plan.
[30/10/2026 5:29 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: People of today may not feel the impact of continuous deforestation. But the future of this country will bear the brunt of hotter temperatures and worse haze effects. Not to blame the people but the fact that the government probably knows this and still chose housing, is incredibly short sighted.
[30/10/2026 5:29 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: What's gonna stop them from clearing the Central Catchment Reserve in the future?
[30/10/2026 5:30 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> People of today may not feel the impact of continuous...
No park, PCN or tree planting day or Orchard Road green belt will stop this by the way.
[30/10/2026 5:30 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> What's gonna stop them from clearing the Central Catchment...
Central catchment is a nature reserve.
It will not be touched.
[30/10/2026 5:30 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: Megan please convey these thoughts to MND and all relevant agencies thanks.
[30/10/2026 5:30 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Central catchment is a nature reserve....
You have a crystal ball ๐?
[30/10/2026 5:31 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> The overall response seems to tilt towards favourable response...
Let us look forward to the BTO flats in maju and Gilman Barracks side by side with the nature reserve.
[30/10/2026 5:32 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
Source:- Google Gemini AI
The Central Catchment Nature Reserve in Singapore is strictly protected under the Parks and Trees Act and the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) Master Plan, meaning no residential, commercial, or industrial developments are allowed within its boundaries.
[30/10/2026 5:35 pm] Jun Ming in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Central catchment is a nature reserve....
Each forest have their unique habitat that host different ecosystem
[30/10/2026 5:36 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> The overall response seems to tilt towards favourable response...
Good to see the nature groups, resident associations and Parliamentary discussion adopting a Middle Path approach in Development versus Conservation.
All these groups are able to see a pragmatic point of views in the need for development (Nation Building) & conservation without taking either of the 2 extreme stance - that take development and conservation into a collision course.
[30/10/2026 5:37 pm] Jun Ming in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Good to see the nature groups, resident associations and...
Where deep in their heart they say don't touch them
[30/10/2026 5:37 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Central catchment is a nature reserve....
Why are the other forests in Singapore not nature reserves? The others in the West, Northeast and East. Important yet all razed. Perhaps it's time to ask why.
[30/10/2026 5:38 pm] Daniel in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Source:- Google Gemini AI The...
I remember something about tunnelling works for Cross Island Line withing the Central catchment area.
[30/10/2026 5:38 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> Where deep in their heart they say don't touch them
Due to political stress they have no choice but to go over it
[30/10/2026 5:38 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Daniel:
> I remember something about tunnelling works for Cross Island...
I was shock at the point of time
[30/10/2026 5:38 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Good to see the nature groups, resident associations and...
It is not extreme to conserve fully remaining forest land.
[30/10/2026 5:39 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: And to look into other solutions instead.
[30/10/2026 5:39 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> People of today may not feel the impact of continuous...
The people in this country already bear the brunt of lack of housing. Easy for you to say. Would you tell the thousands of people who wake up in jb to go to work in singapore its their fault for taking up traffic? Tell the new parents its their fault for overpopulation?
[30/10/2026 5:39 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> Source:- Google Gemini AI The...
๐ when our constitution can be changed for reserved presidency, why can't a mere act be amended?
[30/10/2026 5:40 pm] Adam: People do not simply disappear when there is no housing
[30/10/2026 5:40 pm] Adam: See our causeway jam in the morning
[30/10/2026 5:40 pm] Adam: You think people want to live in jb and wkrk in sg
[30/10/2026 5:40 pm] Adam: Every day burn petrol
[30/10/2026 5:41 pm] Adam: Maybe burn petrol and live 10km away from work more environmentally friendly than building more houses near cbd
[30/10/2026 5:41 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Adam:
> People do not simply disappear when there is no housing
The polls in various channels show majority favour the revised plan.
It will go ahead.
[30/10/2026 5:41 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:
> Maybe burn petrol and live 10km away from work more...
Are they Singaporean
[30/10/2026 5:42 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:
> Are they Singaporean
I know at least two singaporean relatives. Families. Who live in malaysia and work grab in singapore
[30/10/2026 5:42 pm] Jun Ming: And the amount of household provide will it prioritise them
[30/10/2026 5:42 pm] Adam: In fact both also choose to born and raise thier offspring in malaysia
[30/10/2026 5:42 pm] Adam: They cannot get hdb because of low income and family complications
[30/10/2026 5:43 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to G:
> ๐ when our constitution can be changed for reserved...
Exactly. They can do anything they want. But there has been a lack of political will in parliament and it has both been for the better and the worse.
[30/10/2026 5:43 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:
> They cannot get hdb because of low income and family...
Exactly it is because of not enough money
[30/10/2026 5:44 pm] Adam: Actually one of them trying to apply for bto now. He thought expensive but didnt know he eligible for single. Also he dun know all the procedure too vomplicated for him
[30/10/2026 5:44 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> The people in this country already bear the brunt of lack of...
All I gotta say is, that housing can be built and razed. When a forest is gone, you can't build it back. It takes thousands of years for them to develop. Also in exchange the climate in Singapore will only get worse without the forest. Our ecosystems are the ones slowing down the effect of climate change here.
[30/10/2026 5:45 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: See how the argument is about the now. I'm talking about the now and the future.
[30/10/2026 5:45 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to G:
> ๐ when our constitution can be changed for reserved...
Zoning can be changed with the stroke of a pen. Nothing stopping them kinda.
[30/10/2026 5:46 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: Apart from people in Bukit Timah complaining they lose their forest view ๐.
[30/10/2026 5:46 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> All I gotta say is, that housing can be built and razed....
Forest gone cannot build back. Generations of singaporeans unborn, what happen. Years of couples living with parents cannot get back
[30/10/2026 5:46 pm] Adam: Easy for people to say living in comfy places. There are people struggling you dont see
[30/10/2026 5:47 pm] G in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> All I gotta say is, that housing can be built and razed....
๐ first cut shld be to redevelop those low density colonial properties that sit on big land since those real estate already belong to the govt
Before the ministers moved in, it's not like the everyday Singaporean gonna casually stroll into Ridout/tanglin and enjoy the bungalows on vast colonial grounds on some random weekend
[30/10/2026 5:47 pm] Adam: What are we going to say to couples who lost their childbearing years. Is this how we treat singapores greatest resources?
[30/10/2026 5:48 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to G:
> ๐ first cut shld be to redevelop those low density colonial...
Correct.
[30/10/2026 5:49 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Forest gone cannot build back. Generations of singaporeans...
Housing can be built elsewhere. Deforestation is irreversible and will hurt the welfare of society.
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[30/10/2026 5:50 pm] Jun Ming: That was accidental
[30/10/2026 5:50 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> Housing can be built elsewhere....
It is irreversible for women to lose 5 years waiting for bto. Not starting family.
[30/10/2026 5:50 pm] REACH Telegram Administrator:
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Dear Contributors,
Please take a moment to participate in our polls and share your opinion. The poll questions are pinned for easy reference and your vote is anonymous.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts on today’s topic!
๐ฌ What are your views on the revised plans for Maju Forest and Gillman Barracks? How should Singapore continue to balance housing needs, heritage considerations and the protection of greenery and wildlife habitats in future redevelopment projects?
Thank you.
Megan ๐
[30/10/2026 5:50 pm] Adam: Start family late has higher chance of birth defect irreversible too
[30/10/2026 5:51 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Adam:
> It is irreversible for women to lose 5 years waiting for bto....
Actually the demand for BTO flats are strong.
It will go ahead.
[30/10/2026 5:51 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> It is irreversible for women to lose 5 years waiting for bto....
Why are we shifting the goalposts here?
[30/10/2026 5:51 pm] Adam: Demand for bto too strong
[30/10/2026 5:51 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP) in reply to Adam:
> Demand for bto too strong
Yes.
[30/10/2026 5:51 pm] Adam: In fact demand for bto doesnt reflect true demand for housing
[30/10/2026 5:52 pm] Adam: If you lower eligibility age of singles, demand will be even stronger
[30/10/2026 5:52 pm] Adam: Everyone wants bto
[30/10/2026 5:52 pm] Adam: Cannot get
[30/10/2026 5:52 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
That's why development will always be the majority.
[30/10/2026 5:53 pm] LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
That's why the polls in every channels will reflect majority favour development as opposed to conservation.
[30/10/2026 5:54 pm] Adam: Everyone has to wait because supply us restricted. Supply restricted even more because want to have more forest. So tell those who dont get wait more longer and have baby later
[30/10/2026 5:54 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: What the populace says is right, doesn't mean is right.
[30/10/2026 5:54 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Everyone has to wait because supply us restricted....
Regardless of where housing is built people have to wait.
[30/10/2026 5:54 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> Regardless of where housing is built people have to wait.
They dont have to wait if hdb build ahead of demand
[30/10/2026 5:55 pm] Adam: Got all the data. AI some more. Gov can know
[30/10/2026 5:56 pm] Daniel in reply to Adam:
> They dont have to wait if hdb build ahead of demand
Yeah, this one they should reconsider. 5 years is a long time to wait.
[30/10/2026 5:58 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> They dont have to wait if hdb build ahead of demand
HDB can choose to build elsewhere and still build ahead of demand.
[30/10/2026 6:00 pm] RY in reply to REACH Singapore:
> ๐ข Topic ๐ข On Oct 28, the Housing and Development Board (HDB)...
SG Govt may have to consider any de-forestation may affect SG whole eco-system
Recent news reported due to climate change n rising temp of sea water, the eco-system already affected the penquin population down to 1/3
https://www.instagram.com/p/De4FqqRApxg/?xtok=YzV6aHFweW9nNjA4
Forest is impt for air/eco system/nature/animals/insects n etc
Urbanisation is nec due to SG limited/scarce land
However, preservation is as important too, due to heritage/sustainability/nature and whatever purposes
Hope govt may consider carefully for any de-forestation plan/work
[30/10/2026 6:01 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: They went ahead to clear the forests despite the ecological report saying it possesses serious risks and should not be done. They didn't care and went ahead anyway it's terrible.
[30/10/2026 6:02 pm] Adam in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> That's why the polls in every channels will reflect majority...
Everyone wants house but they rant online.
The conservationist complain directly to minister when they announce plan. Organise themselves. Even wear matching tshirt.
[30/10/2026 6:02 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: I'm not sure how true it is, but maybe the forests is what led to lower PSI levels in the East instead of everywhere being as bad as the West. Maybe it's wind patterns not sure.
[30/10/2026 6:03 pm] G in reply to LCL Danny ๅฟ (1st HP):
> That's why the polls in every channels will reflect majority...
Conserve colonial properties Vs forests for BTO?
[30/10/2026 6:03 pm] RY in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> They went ahead to clear the forests despite the ecological...
REACH is a platform for Govt to hear public voices, ya
[30/10/2026 6:03 pm] Adam: People who need house work grab from 6am to 6pm. People who complain about forest lost have a lot of time for advocacy
[30/10/2026 6:04 pm] Adam: By listening to nature groups, its accomodating a loud and rich minority and some nimbys
[30/10/2026 6:05 pm] Adam: Most people in singapore are politically apathetic. Get house happy. Don have hdb just suck thumb and hope. Trust gov got bigger plan
[30/10/2026 6:06 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Most people in singapore are politically apathetic....
If you believe in this then why are you in this group?
[30/10/2026 6:07 pm] Adam: If nature groups are this strong maybe gov need to readjust their position. Gilman and maju original plans already have some forest baked in. Also hdb naturally has nature integrated.
What if gov makes future plans extremely conservation light and make concessions to the an internal original plan
[30/10/2026 6:10 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> If you believe in this then why are you in this group?
Most people. I have time. I see most my relatives are low middle income. Try to get them meet the mp the see long queue and get turned off. Have family and other commitments. Also they dont believe their input makes a diff.
[30/10/2026 6:11 pm] Adam: So i speak of what i see troubles them
[30/10/2026 6:11 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: But you do know they won't be here forever right.
[30/10/2026 6:11 pm] Adam: Do you not have relatives that struggle because of no house? Or all your family have their own
[30/10/2026 6:12 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> But you do know they won't be here forever right.
What do you mean by this???
[30/10/2026 6:12 pm] Jun Ming: If relative do not have house one is will provide stay to the relative
[30/10/2026 6:12 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: I recognise their struggle and acknowledge the need for housing + need for reform for housing policy. But it shouldn't have to be a choice between forest land and housing is what I'm saying.
[30/10/2026 6:12 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> If relative do not have house one is will provide stay to the...
This is called kumpung spirit
[30/10/2026 6:12 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> What do you mean by this???
That the government plans beyond the people of today. It plans for the people of today and tomorrow.
[30/10/2026 6:14 pm] Adam in reply to ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐:
> That the government plans beyond the people of today....
Yes we have to build houses for today and tomorrow. Can also integrate nature into the neighbourhood. Maybe if gov wanna keep forest make it legal for rough sleeping in it
[30/10/2026 6:14 pm] Adam: Maybe we can legalise setting up tents in parks for long term living
[30/10/2026 6:14 pm] Adam: People dont see the need for houses until its in their face
[30/10/2026 6:15 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:
> Yes we have to build houses for today and tomorrow....
Can build wooden log in the forest then it is called integration
[30/10/2026 6:17 pm] Jun Ming: I can foresee many complain after the hdb is being built
[30/10/2026 6:17 pm] Adam: A minister said we only need small space to start family. I saw news a while back of people using a forest in woodlands for small apace activities but the police shut it down
[30/10/2026 6:17 pm] Jun Ming: Such as bee Infront of house, snake slither in.
[30/10/2026 6:18 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Yes we have to build houses for today and tomorrow....
We can and already are doing that. Just saying we shouldn't build those on land with forests on them.
[30/10/2026 6:19 pm] Jun Ming: Ya just don't touch forest until the last resort
[30/10/2026 6:19 pm] Jun Ming: Are we at the end
[30/10/2026 6:19 pm] Jun Ming: No
[30/10/2026 6:20 pm] Adam: Thats where we differ. Land with forest is fair game for housing and other national purposes. It doesnt have to be 100% houses. You see normal singapore streets have a lot of trees and chickens
[30/10/2026 6:20 pm] Adam: See how environmentally damaging land reclaimation is
[30/10/2026 6:21 pm] Jun Ming: Ok even if we have to develop why is the center of maju forest being develop rather at the side
[30/10/2026 6:21 pm] Jun Ming: It doesn't make sense
[30/10/2026 6:22 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:
> Ok even if we have to develop why is the center of maju forest...
Im pretty sure the gov has some explanation somewhere. They did surveys of the land and probably deemed it best course. Want to maintain the nature corridor
[30/10/2026 6:22 pm] Jun Ming: The way it is develop will do a lot damage to nature
[30/10/2026 6:22 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> See how environmentally damaging land reclaimation is
Same for the forests!
[30/10/2026 6:23 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:
> Ya just don't touch forest until the last resort
Ok heres the thing. You position is last course. I actually agree with that. Nature group are arguing dont touch the forest 100%.
[30/10/2026 6:23 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> The way it is develop will do a lot damage to nature
Where animals living in there will no where to go and enter civilization
[30/10/2026 6:23 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Im pretty sure the gov has some explanation somewhere....
The ecological report said serious risk and they went along with it anyway...?
[30/10/2026 6:23 pm] G in reply to Jun Ming:
> Ya just don't touch forest until the last resort
Yes
Don't see how deforestation to build is cheaper than redeveloping low density colonial properties
Deforestation need to build new roads, need chop trees, need so much more resources just to develop..
Redeveloping low density colonial properties?
Roads already there
Electricity already there
Sewage already there
Drains already there
[30/10/2026 6:24 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Ok heres the thing. You position is last course....
Nature groups are also saying that because they want it as the last resort probably though.
[30/10/2026 6:24 pm] Adam: So would you side with nature group where forest is protected in perpetuity or forest is lower priority but eventually gov may or may not develop it
[30/10/2026 6:24 pm] REACH Singapore:
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[30/10/2026 6:24 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> So would you side with nature group where forest is protected...
Last resort = lowest priority.
[30/10/2026 6:25 pm] Adam: Everyone here wants gcb and unused land to be used first before forest
[30/10/2026 6:25 pm] Adam: But nature groups want forest to completely be not used
[30/10/2026 6:25 pm] Adam: See the save gilman group what they want.
[30/10/2026 6:26 pm] G in reply to Adam:
> Everyone here wants gcb and unused land to be used first...
No la.. not everyone here. Someone here say if don't have GCB, Singaporean billionaires will leave SG in droves.. then SG will become suddenly poor until we all need to live in forests ๐
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[30/10/2026 6:26 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> Everyone here wants gcb and unused land to be used first...
Nature groups did say this...
[30/10/2026 6:27 pm] Jun Ming in reply to G:
> No la.. not everyone here. Someone here say if don't have GCB,...
Maybe shift the gcb into the forest
[30/10/2026 6:28 pm] Adam: Tbf gcb has to deal with all the property and ownership law i dunno how the gov gonna manage. Singapore is built on laws. Govt must find a way to take back the land by rule of law otherwise spook investors
[30/10/2026 6:28 pm] Adam: See indonesia stock market tank because noone trust the contracts
[30/10/2026 6:28 pm] Daniel in reply to Jun Ming:
> Maybe shift the gcb into the forest
Istana Woodneuk ๐
[30/10/2026 6:29 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:
> Maybe shift the gcb into the forest
You see with vast amount of nature surround you, it is good for retirement and health
[30/10/2026 6:29 pm] Adam in reply to Daniel:
> Istana Woodneuk ๐
Instead of reclaim land, give each fellow who want a gcb a yatch. They can live off the coast
[30/10/2026 6:29 pm] G in reply to Jun Ming:
> Maybe shift the gcb into the forest
No need. Just be like those under utilised colonial bungalows in Ridout before the govt spent millions to restore before the ministers moved in..
Leave it dilapidated long enough until the forests consume it ๐
[30/10/2026 6:29 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Jun Ming:
> Maybe shift the gcb into the forest
No... just raze them all and keep 1 in the must ulu place one haha.
[30/10/2026 6:30 pm] G in reply to Adam:
> Tbf gcb has to deal with all the property and ownership law i...
Ya lor. So colonial properties is the way to go. The state already owns these properties
[30/10/2026 6:30 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐ in reply to Adam:
> See indonesia stock market tank because noone trust the...
Why compare us to them ๐?
[30/10/2026 6:31 pm] Jun Ming: Eh maybe move them to tekong
[30/10/2026 6:31 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:
> You see with vast amount of nature surround you,...
See nature good for health. But most people arent visiting gilman. Also what would you say to those that stress got no house. Go see nature to destress. This forest is where your house would have been.
[30/10/2026 6:33 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:
> See nature good for health. But most people arent visiting...
Can transform into nature park people will appreciate.
[30/10/2026 6:33 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: Yeap that's what Maju and Gilman unofficially are now.
[30/10/2026 6:34 pm] ์ฌ์์น๊ตฌ, ์ฒซ์ฌ๋ ๐: There are trails within them.
[30/10/2026 6:34 pm] Adam: I think govt should do this. Give more ballot number than houses built. 800 extra for gilman. Those that are eligible win but not enough houses are invited to gilman to relax and spend time trimming trees with nature groups. Tell them this is where you houses would have been, but we have nice trees to appreciate.
[30/10/2026 6:34 pm] Adam: Spend time in nature good for health and stress levels
[30/10/2026 6:35 pm] Jun Ming: And tell them because of you those animals house have been destroy
[30/10/2026 6:35 pm] Adam: If they want offer them chickens to keep as pet if they catch
[30/10/2026 6:36 pm] Adam: Emotional support
[30/10/2026 6:36 pm] Jun Ming: Tbh I think it's illegal to rear chicken in hdb
[30/10/2026 6:36 pm] Jun Ming: Neighbors complain
[30/10/2026 6:37 pm] Adam: Actually what happen to all the street cats? Nowadays i only see chicken but no cat
[30/10/2026 6:38 pm] Jun Ming: Sterilize lor
[30/10/2026 6:39 pm] Jun Ming: 1.)Don't touch forest
2.)Touch forest with no endangered species
[30/10/2026 6:40 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:
> Tbh I think it's illegal to rear chicken in hdb
Technically no animals in hdb but theres exemptions in approved list. Private can keep. Maybe hdb can add exemptions for 1 poultry like 1 dog allowed
[30/10/2026 6:50 pm] G: End of the day.. I don't believe all those narratives that imply that govt can't do anything about housing demand in SG therefore need to do deforestation to build more accommodate demand
Govt got big part to play in demand:
1. They control migration numbers
2. They control TFR policies
3. They control housing eligibility criteria
Govt also control supply:
1. URA master plan
2. Land plot ratios
Even so, the state owns all the low density colonial properties that can be redeveloped for higher density housing. It's a matter of political will whether want to redevelop those low density colonial properties or do deforestation
And it seems right now, the political choice is to conserve the colonial past and destroy forests so as to meet housing demands, which the govt controls
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