Sunday, June 29, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 83 - What are your views about the country’s upcoming plans for the transition towards autonomous vehicles in the near future?

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30 Jun 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 10:01 am]

📢 Topic 📢

On 27 June (Friday), Acting Transport Minister Jeffrey Siow announced that Singapore will trial autonomous vehicles (AVs) in Punggol from the fourth quarter of this year. 

Mr Siow and Senior Minister of State for Transport Sun Xueling were in Guangzhou from Thursday to Saturday to learn about the development and deployment of AVs in China.

💬 What are your views about the country’s upcoming plans for the transition towards autonomous vehicles in the near future?

📌 AVs to support the public transport network

Noting that AVs are a maturing technology, Mr Siow said that in the short term, the Ministry of Transport (MOT) is thinking about how AVs can be used to support the public transport network. 

He added that the ministry is working with potential operators and AV companies to decide on the right type of vehicle to bring in. Other factors to consider include the frequency at which these services can be run and whether there is demand from commuters. 

Some AVs will be deployed in Punggol to try out "fixed routes".  On why Punggol was picked, Mr Siow said that it is an estate where travel patterns are “quite mature”. If the trial in Punggol is successful, the ministry can then look at other places at the turn of the year, he said, adding that Tengah could be the next location.

📌 Challenges

Infrastructure is one factor in deciding how AVs can be rolled out to more areas, said Mr Siow. "We have to look at whether the roads are wide enough (and) whether there are stopping points that are available," he added. Getting drivers, commuters, pedestrians and cyclists used to seeing AVs on the roads and as "part of the general landscape" would be key.

Another issue that has been talked about with AVs is safety, which is a priority, said the acting transport minister. These vehicles will be painted in a "bright colour", he added. To start, the AVs will have a safety officer on board and run at a "manageable" speed.

📌 Jobs

Over time, people will get used to travelling in autonomous vehicles and the role of the driver may change, said Mr Siow. 

Drivers in the current ecosystem, including taxi drivers or private-hire car drivers, would transition to the new jobs that the new industry will create, he added. "Others - we have to see how to help them reskill, to retrain and to take up other jobs in the economy that will be generated because of economic change," said the acting transport minister. 

In the initial stages, it will be a "mix of both" - jobs for drivers in the transport industry and new jobs emerging.

The government's job, together with the National Trades Union Congress (NTUC), is to help drivers make the best use of these opportunities, he said.

🔗 [ST] https://str.sg/vWGd

🔗 [ST] https://str.sg/Lg9t

🔗 [CNA] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/autonomous-vehicles-public-transport-punggol-5209136

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Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 10:21 am]

It will never be 100% automonous

365, [30/6/2025 10:33 am]

Even not 100% autonomous, it opens up the pool of available operators and helps with driver fatigue.

I want to draw parallels to 2 instances

Autopilot - even though there are still pilots and copilot, autopilot helps a lot with regular flying fatigue as it opens up their time and attention to other operation matters, or even rest while on standby. 

Elevators / lift - there used to be a lift operator in each lift, people who manually control the lift movements. Nowadays, it is considered autonomous already. Yes you still need someone to press buttons, but the ease of operations just opened up the pool of available users to essentially everyone and not just those trained to operate lifts.

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 10:53 am]

Yes like trains although it autopilot but a staff is standing there doing nothing

365, [30/6/2025 10:57 am]

Public won't know the specifics of what they are doing, could be communication, checks, or other matters. Monitoring is work as well, even if it looks like doing nothing

REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : Do you support the use of autonomous vehicles in Singapore? Please elaborate on your answer in the chat below. ]

- Yes

- No

REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 11:02 am]

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💬 What are your views about the country’s upcoming plans for the transition towards autonomous vehicles in the near future?

Thank you.

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Adam, [30/6/2025 11:23 am]

People think its fully ai. But we can have a staff watching a video feed in india for cheap.

Adam, [30/6/2025 11:27 am]

I wonder how they are gonna handle fares in auto bus. Will a bus stop if an auntie is fumbling in tapping card or finding money? Or what if the bus moves off and not enough cash?

Adam, [30/6/2025 11:37 am]

Roads wide enough? Does he think our roads here is too narrow? Or is there extra wide AV? Look at japan, they can manage with tight roads, yet we want to cut trees and squeeze out pedestrians. 

Wider roads makes cars faster and more unsafe. We already making silver zones by narrowing and making bends so is our ministry contradicting itself? Make road narrower for safety of elders while wider for safety of AVs.

This very one statement make me doubt if our minister knows what he's doing. My expectation is for AVs to be computer precise, better than human at centimeter accuracy. If it cannot perform at current roads whether wide or narrow what hope do humans have?

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 11:45 am]

I think there's the need of a staff to manage the bus either.

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 11:46 am]

Like it cannot be totally driverless. It must be hybrid

Nicholas, [30/6/2025 11:58 am]

While I support the use of autonomous vehicles since there is a shortage of drivers, please ensure the safety aspect is thoroughly taken care of.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:10 pm]

369. I post in REACH (Telegram) LCL (Danny 心), [18/6/2025 4:52 pm]:-

1. I realise a few merits of these driverless public buses initiatives which are :-

a. More bus services are rolled out to less accessible and ulu remote places. Commuters will find travelling more convenient going to work, study and play.

Not restrained by less bus services because unable to recruit more bus captains mainly foreigners to man the feeder services.

b. Also salaries of bus captains now pretty high $2,700 to $5,000 per month, with some even reaching $5,500 or more.

Can have more savings for bus companies translated into lesser needs to increase bus fares for commuters.

c. In longer run, can even extend the services of the bus after midnight - because only need to manage by a few central controllers at data centre working in 3 shifts (not constrained by lack of bus captains after midnight).

d. Theoretically need lesser bigger depots and interchanges because it can ply the roads continuously without the need to dock in depots and interchanges for bus captains to change shifts because they are remotely centrally controlled.

Only need charger stations to charge the driverless bus and then continue to ply the road.

Only need maintenance workshops.

LCL (Danny 心), [18/6/2025 4:55 pm]

I think driverless public buses can achieve these by plying these ulu routes.

LCL (Danny 心), [18/6/2025 5:34 pm]

That's why driverless public buses will have alot of merits if deployed.

Those are the roads that big public service bus cannot ply not enough drivers.

Private hire also don't want to go.

No profit.

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Straits Times UPDATED Jun 29, 2025, 07:28 PM

“There are residents who live in Punggol West who would like to be able to more conveniently have access to amenities in Punggol East, for instance, the wet market (and) the polyclinic,” said Ms Sun, who is MP for Punggol GRC.

“At the same time, we know there are residents who live in the eastern side of Punggol who want to have more convenient access to transport hubs like the bus interchange,” she added.

In the short term, the autonomous shuttles are expected to provide short, fixed-route services to various points within Housing Board estates, supplementing regular public bus services, taxis and private-hire vehicles.

In the medium term, this could be widened to include introducing services that are constrained by labour today, such as night buses, which can be run more frequently with driverless vehicles, Mr Siow said.

“It is a trip that maybe the taxi drivers or the private-hire car drivers may not really want to do, especially during the peak hour.


365, [30/6/2025 12:16 pm]

Maybe new bus model can have a gantry system at entrance and exit, should be just a switch, then see how engineers can work around the space. There's some models with automated platforms for wheelchair users now.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:17 pm]

I saw the few news about AV buses and taxis in Guangdong.

Quite impressive.

Zero accidents.

So right technologies employed are the sure bet to ensure a good safety record that should include and not limited to:-

1. AI machine learning

2. Lidar 

3. Radar

4. Camera based system 

5. Sensors 

6. Remote control from Data center.

7. 5G network must be always on.

8. Satellite GPS.

Note:- onboard computer is important - but not sufficient due to lack of processor power, storage space and limited access to external data.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:21 pm]

Don't use Tesla AV technologies.

Accident prone - as he forgo lidar and radar - rely only on camera based system that is not safe and unable to respond in real time to road conditions.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:24 pm]

Sorry should also include computer graphics - to reconstruct all the historical figures - like real people in historical setting.

Yesterday channel 5 - Jurassic dinosaur uses computer graphics as well to reconstruct.

It looks so real.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:28 pm]

[28/06, 9:11 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: What information are transmitted between AV vehicles and data center?


[28/06, 9:11 pm] Meta AI: Autonomous Vehicles (AVs) transmit a vast amount of data to data centers for processing, analysis, and decision-making. Here are some types of information that are typically transmitted [1][2]:

- *Sensor data*: AVs are equipped with various sensors, such as cameras, lidar, radar, GPS, and ultrasonic sensors. These sensors generate a massive amount of data, including:

    - *Images and video*: Camera data is used for object detection, pedestrian detection, and traffic light recognition.

    - *Point cloud data*: Lidar data is used to create 3D maps of the environment and detect objects.

    - *Radar data*: Radar data is used to detect speed and distance of surrounding objects.

- *Vehicle data*: AVs transmit data about their own status, including:

    - *Location and speed*: GPS data provides location and speed information.

    - *Acceleration and braking*: Data on acceleration, braking, and steering wheel angle.

    - *System health*: Data on the vehicle's systems, such as battery level, tire pressure, and engine performance.

- *Environmental data*: AVs transmit data about the environment, including:

    - *Weather conditions*: Data on weather conditions, such as rain, fog, or snow.

    - *Road conditions*: Data on road surface, traffic signals, and road signs.

- *Control commands*: Data centers transmit control commands to AVs, including:

    - *Route planning*: Data centers can send updated route plans to AVs based on traffic conditions.

    - *Control inputs*: Data centers can send control inputs, such as steering wheel angle or acceleration commands.

This data is used for various purposes, including [3]:

- *Real-time decision-making*: Data centers process data from AVs to make decisions about navigation, obstacle avoidance, and other critical functions.

- *Machine learning*: Data collected from AVs is used to train machine learning models, improving the accuracy and reliability of AV systems.

- *Predictive maintenance*: Data centers can analyze data from AVs to predict potential technical issues and schedule maintenance.

The transmission of data between AVs and data centers enables the development of more sophisticated and reliable autonomous driving systems.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:32 pm]

Another aspect, ensure cyber security must be robust.

Because hackers can potentially hack into AV buses on the road.

Fail safe switch maybe necessary to disconnect remote control if hacking is detected - and rely on onboard computer to navigate the AV buses until the threat of remote hacking is removed.


Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 12:38 pm]

As bus management is more complicated and people want job a staff need to station in every bus

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 12:40 pm]

This is to allow passengers pay the correct fare and allow wheelchairs to board on


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:56 pm]

In a steady state, I can foresee that driverless AV is not a mass replacement of all driver vehicles because driverless technologies are still very constrained and need to operate in a tight controlled conditions.

Not a free flow, dynamic, crowded or ever changing road conditions that driverless technologies still cannot handle.

Hence for another few decades, I still envisaged the following hybrid public and private services transport mix :-

1. Driverless MRT 

2. Public buses with drivers 

3. Taxis 

4. Private hire

5. People owning cars

6. PMA, PMD, bicycle 

7. Driverless AV buses and taxis.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 12:59 pm]

But new jobs for driverless AV buses and taxis could changed and NTUC, e2i must be ready to reskill, retrain and upskill existing drivers and depot workers.

But new high tech jobs will be created especially AI, engineers, programmers, IT jobs, IT operators in data center.

Demand for computer science, computer engineering, electronic and electrical engineering and mechanical engineering will ramp up.


Adam, [30/6/2025 1:53 pm]

I think the gov needs to think long and hard long term what our infrastructure should look like

Adam, [30/6/2025 1:53 pm]

Look at how cycling and pcn is implemented

Adam, [30/6/2025 1:54 pm]

The intention might be good but the implementation is horrendous

Adam, [30/6/2025 1:54 pm]

How can we be 'car lite'

Adam, [30/6/2025 1:55 pm]

Well take it as a learning experience. What went wrong, and how can we avoid half baked measures when moving to AV


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 1:58 pm]

New jobs will emerge with transition to autonomous vehicles: Acting Transport Minister | The Straits Times

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/new-jobs-will-emerge-with-transition-to-autonomous-vehicles-acting-transport-minister


REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 2:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 2:01 pm]

That means, if drivers jobs feel unsafe or chances of being taken over by driverless AV vehicles, drivers must keep an open mind to get themselves retrained and reskill to take up new but higher paying jobs offered by the driverless AV vehicles.


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 2:01 pm]

Change is constant.

Adaptable to change is resiliency.


Adam, [30/6/2025 2:02 pm]

But you cant expect the 100k phv+taxi drivers to simply find a new job at a snap of a finger


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 2:03 pm]

The transition is at least a decade.


Adam, [30/6/2025 2:03 pm]

Yeah

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:03 pm]

Maybe the gov starts by stopping handing out license for phv and taxi

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:04 pm]

Perhaps there is an industry of more atas human taxi service, or taxi service to malaysia still need human

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:05 pm]

But for reskilling, the gov needs to think through this carefully. Lots of people find skillsfuture a waste of time and money

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:06 pm]

We need a program that somewhat guarentees a job if the ex driver gets a credential.

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:06 pm]

If they reskill but cert is useless then what?

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:07 pm]

Credential already prove they can do job but why cannot get?


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 2:07 pm]

There will still be a need to access to personalized service such as driver private hire or taxi:-

1. Eg. People going to airport with luggages.

2. Elderly going to hospital.

3. A family going out with barang barang.

4. Buying groceries.

5. Fetching babies.

6. Going out with elderly that need personalized service 

Etc.


Adam, [30/6/2025 2:09 pm]

Sounds like some can possibly be replaced by AI driver with human helper passenger

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:09 pm]

Literally a AV with maid

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:09 pm]

Get maid salary

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:10 pm]

But for ambulance i dont trust AV yet

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:10 pm]

I wonder if scdf is considering it since the shortage of manpower


LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 2:14 pm]

There's less and less incentive to own a car.

As now driverless vehicles are virtual and available on demand - even after midnight not constrained by availability of human drivers.

Coe as a result will fall to a sane-able level.


Adam, [30/6/2025 2:19 pm]

Or maybe the gov will make even more rent seekers out of us

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:19 pm]

People who buy coe with car will rent out the AV to AV ride hailing companies

Adam, [30/6/2025 2:20 pm]

Coe skyrocket and roads jammed with AV that never need to park

Nicholas, [30/6/2025 2:37 pm]

Would prefer auto vehicles to current arrangement. Costs to get a Grab / GoJek have gone up significantly, and there is a strange practice where driver makes you wait for minutes, then cancels when near your location, making you wait for another driver, hence unreliable especially when tight for time.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:18 pm]
*LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging)* is a remote sensing technology that uses laser light to measure distances and create high-resolution 3D models of objects and environments. It works by emitting laser pulses and measuring the time-of-flight and wavelength of the reflected signals.
*How LIDAR Works:*
1. *Laser Emission*: LIDAR emits laser pulses towards the target area.
2. *Reflection*: The laser pulses bounce back from the target objects.
3. *Measurement*: The LIDAR system measures the time-of-flight and wavelength of the reflected signals.
4. *Data Processing*: The collected data is processed to create 3D point clouds, which can be used to generate detailed maps, models, and analyses.
*Applications of LIDAR:*
1. *Autonomous Vehicles*: LIDAR is used in self-driving cars to detect obstacles, track objects, and navigate environments.
2. *Surveying and Mapping*: LIDAR is used to create high-resolution topographic maps, monitor land use changes, and track environmental changes.
3. *Aerial Mapping*: LIDAR is used in aerial surveys to create detailed 3D models of cities, forests, and other environments.
4. *Forestry and Agriculture*: LIDAR is used to monitor forest health, track tree growth, and optimize crop yields.
*Benefits of LIDAR:*
1. *High Accuracy*: LIDAR provides highly accurate distance measurements and 3D models.
2. *Detailed Data*: LIDAR collects detailed data on object shapes, sizes, and orientations.
3. *Improved Safety*: LIDAR can detect obstacles and track objects in real-time, improving safety in applications like autonomous vehicles.
Overall, LIDAR is a powerful technology that has numerous applications in fields like autonomous vehicles, surveying, and environmental monitoring.
Source:- Meta AI

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:21 pm]
Radar technology plays a significant role in improving the capabilities of driverless Autonomous Vehicles (AVs). Here are some ways radar enhances AVs [1][2][3]:
- *Object detection*: Radar sensors can detect objects around the vehicle, including other cars, pedestrians, and obstacles, even in adverse weather conditions like rain, fog, or snow.
- *Distance and speed measurement*: Radar sensors can accurately measure the distance and speed of surrounding objects, allowing the AV to predict their behavior and make informed decisions.
- *360-degree coverage*: Radar sensors can provide 360-degree coverage around the vehicle, enabling the AV to detect objects in its blind spots and respond accordingly.
- *Improved safety*: By detecting objects and predicting their behavior, radar technology can help prevent accidents and improve overall safety on the road.
- *Enhanced autonomy*: Radar technology can enable AVs to operate more autonomously, even in complex environments, by providing accurate and reliable data about the surroundings.
Some benefits of using radar in AVs include [4][5]:
- *Improved performance in adverse weather*: Radar can penetrate through rain, fog, and snow, allowing AVs to maintain their functionality even in challenging weather conditions.
- *Increased reliability*: Radar sensors can provide redundant data, which can improve the overall reliability of the AV's sensing system.
- *Enhanced situational awareness*: Radar technology can provide AVs with a more comprehensive understanding of their surroundings, enabling them to make more informed decisions.
Overall, radar technology is a crucial component of AVs, enabling them to detect objects, predict their behavior, and make informed decisions to ensure safe and efficient operation.
Source:- Meta AI

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:22 pm]
Both lidar and radar are military technologies - that will greatly improve driverless AV vehicles safety and reliability on the roads to prevent accidents.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:23 pm]
Yes, commercial airplanes use both lidar and radar technologies, although in different ways and for specific purposes [1][2][3].
Radar Technology
- *Weather radar*: Commercial airplanes use weather radar to detect and navigate through adverse weather conditions, such as thunderstorms, turbulence, and precipitation.
- *Air traffic control radar*: Air traffic control uses radar to track the location and altitude of aircraft, providing critical information for safe separation and navigation.
- *Terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS)*: Some aircraft use radar-based TAWS to detect terrain and obstacles, providing warnings to pilots of potential collision risks.
Lidar Technology
- *Not commonly used in commercial aviation*: Lidar is not typically used in commercial aviation for navigation or obstacle detection, mainly due to its limitations in range and weather conditions.
- *Research and development*: However, lidar is being researched and developed for potential applications in aviation, such as:
    - *Obstacle detection*: Lidar could be used to detect obstacles on the runway or in the surrounding environment.
    - *Autonomous systems*: Lidar could be used in autonomous aircraft systems, such as drones or urban air mobility vehicles.
While radar is widely used in commercial aviation, lidar is still in the early stages of development and adoption.
Source:- Meta AI

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:28 pm]
Not only military, commercial airplanes also use both lidar and radar.
Hence both these technologies will give assurance to commuters driverless AV vehicles safety and reliability on the roads.
Imagine commercial airplanes are flying at much higher speed as compare to vehicles on the roads.
Also air defense missiles and fighter planes - engaging sound breaking speed exceeding Mach 1.0 (speed of sound) such as missiles, fighter planes and slower drones - but still many times the speed of vehicles on the roads.
Driverless AV vehicles look child play - if lidar and radar are deployed.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:31 pm]
And the proud Elon Musk - say camera based system good enough - no need to use lidar and radar on his Tesla vehicles.
No wonder Tesla driverless cars crash in accidents time and again.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 3:42 pm]
Having say so, driver vehicles shouldn't go to bang a driverless AV vehicles - to ensure zero accidents.
Driverless AV vehicles can avoid banging to others.
But if other driver vehicles want to bang them - AV can't stop it.

REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 4:00 pm]
📢 Topic 📢
G, [30/6/2025 4:57 pm]
"Drivers in the current ecosystem, including taxi drivers... transition to new jobs..."
So how long will such reskill, recruitment, hiring, training take?
Previously, Jeffery implied that the current duration for hiring and training new bus drivers of "6 months to 1 year" is not satisfactory 
So how does autonomous vehicles solve that problem?
G, [30/6/2025 5:01 pm]
Here's Jeffrey saying "introducing new bus services is not straightforward... Bus drivers need to be recruited and trained, which can take six months to a year. There is also a need to buy buses and build depots and interchanges"
How do autonomous vehicles make it more straightforward than introducing new bus services?
Is the recruitment and training duration reduced from six months to a year? 
Are the autonomous vehicles free, no need to buy?
Do the autonomous vehicles not need depots and interchanges to be built?
RY, [30/6/2025 5:02 pm]
SG is going towards a "smart" city with limited human resources
Hence AV is a unavoidable future trend 
Sentosa/RWS/Uni campus already started AV few years ago  
LTA will have to ensure safety when starting the AV trial in public roads now 
Guangzhou RoboBus already considering to invest in SG, since they started in GZ already, and time to explore overseas markets 
SG already has driverless train(MRT) system and hope AV will also be successful in SG 
With AI, more traditional jobs will be slowly be replaced, and believe Govt will continue to play more active role in re-skilling and upgrading human resources
G, [30/6/2025 5:07 pm]
Autonomous vehicles do not address the problem statement that Jeffrey himself highlighted a few weeks ago
Instead we see more problems that require more taxpayer money to address should these autonomous vehicles be steam rolled through:
1. Road width, not wide enough (doesn't this contradict govt's desire to have less land area used for roads?)
2. "Whether there are stopping points that are available" (existing bus stops not enough/not good enough? need to spend more money to build more stopping points?)
3. Need to have safety driver on board AVs (doesn't eliminate hiring challenge)
4. Public education campaign to "get drivers, commuters, pedastrians and cyclists used to seeing AVs on the roads"
G, [30/6/2025 5:27 pm]
"Drivers in the current ecosystem, including taxi drivers... transition to new jobs..."
"Others - we have to see how to help them reskill, to retrain.."
Imagine. Get taxi drivers/bus drivers to use skills future and upskill them. So they can train a software / robot to be able to do the job without the upksilled drivers.. to make human drivers obsolete
😂 Use skills future to train up yourself, to train a software so that you become obsolete?
Make that make sense please

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:28 pm]
1. Now let say we need to roll out 20 buses for Punggol ulu areas, government needs to :-
a. Build an interchange to house 20 buses and for drivers to change shift.
b. Engage and train 20 x 2 shift bus drivers = 40 drivers for 6 months to 1 year to familiarize on driving buses and the routes.
c. Buy new buses.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:30 pm]
2. Under driverless AV buses:-
a. No need to build interchange - because it can run 24 hours 3 shifts in the route.
Or if run 2 shifts, bus bay along the route can park the AV buses - because it is remotely control by data center.
No need to change driver shift and hence no need interchange.

b. There is no need to wait to train 40 drivers.
Just engage 6 computer science graduates data centre operators to run 3 shift - 1 for 20 AV buses.

c. Just buy the AV driverless bus.
Can easily add bus services as and when demand needed.
No need long waiting times unlike the current driver bus system.

G, [30/6/2025 5:35 pm]
😂 This is a pipe dream

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:35 pm]
Just need :-
1. Charging station to charge the bus.
2. Bigger maintenance plant to maintain the AV buses.

G, [30/6/2025 5:35 pm]
Won't this cost more than current system?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:36 pm]
This is the merits of AV buses not pipe dream.
Guangzhou has been running for years.
Our trial AV buses have trial for at least 2 years.

G, [30/6/2025 5:36 pm]
Isn't this confusing depot with interchanges?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:37 pm]
You will need maintenance plant not interchange or depot.

G, [30/6/2025 5:37 pm]
Your point c here and
G, [30/6/2025 5:37 pm]
And your point c here.
All still need to buy new buses..
G, [30/6/2025 5:38 pm]
Depots are where maintenance for current buses are currently done isn't it?
So by saying maintenance plant.. just change name nia, but still need to build new ones right?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:39 pm]
If more bus of course you will need more maintenance plants.

G, [30/6/2025 5:39 pm]
Or why is a maintenance plant better than a depot?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:40 pm]
But don't need bus interchange.

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 5:40 pm]
I think av bus will be part of the interchange

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:40 pm]
Well you can use depot as maintenance plant but not interchange

G, [30/6/2025 5:40 pm]
Why?
Bus interchanges are not just for driver shift change right? They serve other crucial functions too as they are key transport nodes

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:41 pm]
Interchange for drivers to change shift and park all the buses at night when not in operation.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:43 pm]
For AV buses, it can be park everywhere along bus bay roadside (hence need wider road) or it can run continually unless no battery.

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 5:44 pm]
Not the starting point of the bus

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:44 pm]
No need to build interchange to park all the buses at one place.
This will save a lot of costs.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:44 pm]
No starting point.
Just go out of your house and hop into a AV buses.

G, [30/6/2025 5:45 pm]
Pipe dream
G, [30/6/2025 5:47 pm]
Need wider road:
Doesn't this go against the govt desire to have less land area used for roads?
Then where to charge the AV? Spend loads more taxpayer money to equip each bus stop / stopping station with chargers? Then make the poor charging station maintenance chap waste time traveling to each charging station for maintenance?
Or better to consolidate the charging stations at an interchange for ease and cost effectiveness for maintenance?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:47 pm]
The concept of AV buses change traditional mode of bus operations.
When you add up all the cost, savings will be huge.
Eg. No need to build interchange.
No need to pay 40 drivers salaries for 2 shifts.
But pay 6 DC operators for 3 shifts.
Better sevices - hop on anywhere.
3 shifts instead of 2 shifts.
Versatile and flexible expansion of bus services - just add on - no need to wait to engage and train many bus drivers for 1 year, build interchange for 1 year etc.
Just employ ready train computer science graduates in the market and buy new driverless buses - and immediately can start operations.

G, [30/6/2025 5:50 pm]
Are the 6 DC operators cheaper to hire, train, and retain than 20 drivers?
Which highly educated and skilled DC operator will want to stay in such a 24 hour shift job, especially when there are more comfortable DC jobs that don't require shift work?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:51 pm]
6 DC operators salaries fresh graduates assume $5,000 a month for 3 shifts 
Compare to 20 bus drivers for $4,500 a month for 2 shifts.
Any math experts to compute which costs is higher?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 5:53 pm]
1 bus interchange cost $5.7 million to build (source :- Google AI)
Not including monthly maintenance, Aircon, electricity, water, etc 
Versus park along road side bus bay or drive continually on the road.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:00 pm]
Acting Minister Jeffrey Seow previously is a brilliant PS.
And as he come in as an Acting Minister for Transport - he come in with a bang.
AV driverless bus are indeed a game changer.

REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 6:01 pm]
📢 Topic 📢
G, [30/6/2025 6:01 pm]
So many AV park along the side of the road.. so need to hire 2 security guards for each bus stop to jaga the AVs whenever they parked there?
Or you say no need to jaga the AV?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:02 pm]
Centrally control with 360 degree cameras and sensors.
Which thief so stupid will mess around with the AV bus park in the road?
GPS tracking.
Anyone get near it will get their pretty face uploaded to the servers in DC for prosecution if any mischief are committed.
Police patrol car can quickly zoom in.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:02 pm]
Anyone got to jaga your vehicle in the car park?

Adam, [30/6/2025 6:04 pm]
Nowadays got police patrol bots
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:04 pm]
Can get polis AV to monitor public AV
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:05 pm]
Maybe can even get AV traffic police in the highways

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:05 pm]
Yes.
Another option.

Adam, [30/6/2025 6:05 pm]
Everything in singapore will be bots
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:06 pm]
One day we get soldier droids and tank AV then no more ns

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:06 pm]
Still need hybrid.
Human and robots.

G, [30/6/2025 6:07 pm]
How does this square up with today's security threats?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:09 pm]
Don't understand your question.

Adam, [30/6/2025 6:10 pm]
Lmao, if we go full AI, imagine if the bots become racist and certain race get stopped more often for 'random checks'
G, [30/6/2025 6:22 pm]
Why are current depots designated protected areas? What are being protected?

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:23 pm]
Anyone can just walk into the interchange.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:24 pm]
My private house carpark also no trespassing.

Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:33 pm]
No lah you still need a interchange or deport for convenience for passengers. I think it will be loop service in punggol that is in the interchange.
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:33 pm]
Don't make things so complicated
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:34 pm]
Just need to get some lots for them
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:34 pm]
I think most people expectation of autonomous taxi AVs is point to point pickup and drop off like normal taxi
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:34 pm]
If got interchange might as well use mrt
Adam, [30/6/2025 6:35 pm]
Our mrt also have no driver

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:35 pm]
New AV buses don't need new interchange.
But can tap on current interchange if need be.
But in future, interchange is an old concept.
Can free up the lands for other purposes.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:36 pm]
Yes.
This is the concept of AV buses.
Always on demand everywhere.

Adam, [30/6/2025 6:37 pm]
Would be interesting if we have AV buses that have really smart routing. If SBS has the data of where all the commuters homes and workplace are, can optimise a lot
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:38 pm]
But we are talking about bus

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:38 pm]
Data center is the virtual interchange.

LCL (Danny 心), [30/6/2025 6:39 pm]
Yes can be done through data analytics.
That's why AV driverless buses are like F35s on the road.
Data is the King.

G, [30/6/2025 6:40 pm]
😂 trying to confuse depots and interchanges again?
REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 6:45 pm]
Dear Contributors,
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:59 pm]
I think on demand buses or taxi will be another thing. I think we are talking about fix routes
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 6:59 pm]
Taxi will be the next step
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 7:00 pm]
But that will be another set of issues
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 7:00 pm]
As it involves taxi drivers
Jun Ming, [30/6/2025 7:00 pm]
And phd
REACH Singapore, [30/6/2025 7:00 pm]
Dear Contributors
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan 😊

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Friday, June 27, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 82 - What are your views about the priorities laid out in the URA Draft Master Plan 2025?

(SK)

27 Jun 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 9:45 am]

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REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 10:02 am]

📢 Topic 📢

On June 25 (Wednesday), the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) launched the URA Draft Master Plan 2025, which outlines Singapore’s development blueprint over the next 10 to 15 years.

Since October 2023, URA has engaged almost 220,000 people for their feedback on development plans of varying scales to ensure that the Master Plan balances diverse priorities at the national, community and individual levels.

At least 80,000 new public and private homes are expected to be built in more than 10 new neighbourhoods such as Defu, Dover-Medley and Paterson. Bishan Town Centre is also expected to be developed into a sub-regional centre with new workplaces similar to the scale of Paya Lebar Central, while new Integrated Community Hubs will also be set in Sengkang, Woodlands North and Yio Chu Kang.

💬 What are your views about the priorities laid out in the URA Draft Master Plan 2025?

📌 New housing areas announced in Master Plan

At least 80,000 public and private homes are slated to be introduced across more than 10 new housing areas islandwide over the next 10 to 15 years, under the Master Plan. These homes would be in new neighbourhoods that are set to be established in areas such as Dover, Defu, Newton and Paterson, offering a mix of public and private homes.

Of note, public and private homes will be built up in the Defu Industrial area after Paya Lebar Air Base is relocated in the 2030s. The URA also outlined longer-term plans for towns in larger areas such as Sembawang Shipyard, which will cease operations in 2028, and the former Singapore Racecourse in Kranji.

In Newton, a new neighbourhood containing 5,000 private homes will be introduced, which will be anchored by a mixed-used development to be built next to Newton MRT station and Newton Food Centre.

📌 New Integrated Community Hubs

At the URA Draft Master Plan 2025 exhibition, National Development Minister Chee Hong Tat said the hubs in Sengkang, Woodlands and Yio Chu Kang – to be built in the next 10 to 15 years – will be located near public transport nodes and combine sports facilities, healthcare and community spaces in one location.

An example of an integrated hub is Our Tampines Hub, which houses a regional library, a community club, a football field and a hawker centre, among other amenities.

📌 Development of a sub-regional Centre in Bishan

The Bishan town centre will be developed into a sub-regional centre with new workplaces and amenities, in line with the Government’s move to shift employment and commercial activities outside the city centre.

Sub-regional centres are business nodes such as Paya Lebar and Serangoon that bring jobs closer to homes. They are smaller than the regional centres in Woodlands, Jurong East and Tampines.

📌 Preserving heritage and tackling climate change

The former Pasir Panjang English School, the NatSteel pavilion in Jurong and 20 buildings at Bukit Timah's Turf City will be conserved under the country's latest land use master plan.

URA said it has developed a new thematic framework to guide conservation efforts, aligned with four key aspects of Singapore's post-independence growth – economy, housing, social and defence.

The former Pasir Panjang English School and buildings at Turf City fall under the “social” theme, while the NatSteel Steel Pavilion represents Singapore’s early industrialisation under the “economy” theme.

The Draft Master Plan also outlines Singapore's strategies to address climate change, such as the “Long island” project to guard against rising sea levels, enhance water security and create new land for future generations. The plan involves reclaiming about 800 hectares of land, with a reservoir in between.

📌 URA Draft Master Plan 2025 exhibition

From now till Nov 29, the URA Draft Master Plan 2025 is being exhibited at The URA Centre. It will also make stops across the island from Aug 2 to Nov 9.

REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 10:02 am]

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👉🏻 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ura-draft-master-plan-unveils-proposals-new-homes-orchard-and-newton-5200016

👉🏻 https://www.ura.gov.sg/Corporate/Media-Room/Media-Releases/pr25-32

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REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 11:00 am]

[ Poll : I am confident that the URA Draft Master Plan 2025 addresses Singapore’s evolving needs. Please share your reasons in the chat! ]

- Strongly agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly disagree

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:13 am]

Please balance nature and building new buildings

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:13 am]

I have seen too much deforestation to build new estate

365, [27/6/2025 11:14 am]

Pretty neutral as I'm largely unaffected, maybe except for developing a new sub-Regional Centre for workplace opportunities. 

Though I'm not near Bishan, but would be great to expand more workplaces all around Singapore instead of focusing majority of it into CBD.

New hubs seem pretty great for those starting a new family, with amenities readily available and conveniently accessible.

Great improvement overall even though I don't get much benefit as I'm don't reside near or under these planned areas.

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:14 am]

Tengah forest town is a concrete jungle

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:16 am]

I don't see anything special when driving pass tengah, except HDB which are closely packed

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:16 am]

I don't see a forest

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:18 am]

Ng chee meng says to supply more HDB to bring down price. 

But how about reducing the demand from pr and new citizens to bring down HDB price

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 11:20 am]

Other than that I have no issues with urban development


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 12:22 pm]

1. I particularly like the idea of sub regional hub in Bishan like Paya Lebar Central


2. And also the integrated hubs in Yio Chu Kang, Woodlands and Sengkang with mixed of housing, malls etc.


3. Though I not sure about the differences between the 2 setups - probably sub regional hub encompass office areas and workplace whereas integrated hubs are more housing and shopping leisure as it includes mall?


4. This is a better concept than our traditional HDB flats, neighbourhood coffeeshops and shophouses - whereby residents don't have a more mall like shopping areas and food court to laypark.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 12:47 pm]

5. With such integrated hubs, hopefully include neighbourhood coffeeshops and shophouses in the mix (to cater for elderly and lower income groups) - Singaporeans will have more vibrant places to visit, laypark and shops.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 12:51 pm]

1. I will also like to look at the population demographics of Singapore from now 2025 to 2050 (25 years later) - why Singapore need such building master plan to cater for about 6.5 million people.


2. If we analyse the statistics carefully, we will notice that our domestic economy only can function optimally and population replacement can be sustainable with careful long term population and housing planning.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 12:59 pm]

3. By 2030, 122,000 Singaporeans will be 65 years or older.

Source:- Meta AI 


3. By 2050 (25 years down the road), 3.08 million people, half of Singapore population will be 65 years or older.

Source:- Google AI


4. That means, 1 young people need to take care of 1 elderly - the ratio of 1 : 1.


5. Or in another words, Singapore population will be down to only 3 millions if we take a short term view without proper population and housing planning now - by not focusing on our TFR (total fertility rate) to replace our population and if cannot meet our replacement needs, will have to look into immigrants - new citizens and PRs to replace Singapore population.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:01 pm]

Then focus on tfr which gov is lacking


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:02 pm]

6. If we fail to do so, there will be many adverse consequences:-


a. All young people need to work doubly hard to earn salaries and very high taxes to finance the fiscal budget and pay for the healthcare cost of the elderly.


b. Domestic economy shrink - as not enough people to run SMEs, food stalls or local people to spend money to make our domestic economy healthy.


c. Not enough talents within our Country to helm important institutions like the government, defence, home security, run GLCs, do R&D, run private enterprises, do exports, manufacturing, trade, engage in foreign affairs etc.


d. Our country could even cease to exist.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:03 pm]

Because we have limited land. We cannot infinitly expand our population

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:04 pm]

We only need to maintain our population and not increase our population

365, [27/6/2025 1:05 pm]

Tfr is a global issue not unique to SG, even EU countries are dropping consistently and a lot of them are below replacement rate already.

It sounds grim but I believe longevity is what led to a population structural issue, which then leads to Tfr issue.

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:05 pm]

It's resources allocation. The total resources are fix and more people are sharing the resources

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:06 pm]

Unless there's a breakthrough or new resources is found it's very hard for population increase

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:07 pm]

And over the period of time there will be war and diseases to reduce population

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:08 pm]

This is nature. After world war II the new world just started therefore baby boom

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:09 pm]

As time pass resources depleted opportunity reduces of course no one wants to have offspring

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:10 pm]

I believe the war in middle east is also a effort to reduce global population


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:15 pm]

7. Sufficient population will grow the economy. Output and resources will grow and not shrink when sufficient population are productive and contribute to the the economy - this is economics.


8. However if our population shrink into a size that are not conducive for economic growth - then demultiplier effects will kick in - and soon we will fall from a developed country into a 3rd world country.


9. Myanmar long time ago is a very well developed country but fall into a 3rd world country because of economic mismanagement, internal conflict.


10. Japan similarly is the 2nd largest economy after US - but now keep dropping in ranking overtaken by China, Germany and India is catching up quickly - because Japan fail to maintain its TFR and refuse to accept immigrants because they prefer homogeneous people.

But now many elderly passed away leaving many rundown houses with no occupancy.

Many schools close because not enough young Japanese attend schools.

Their economic growth keep plunging and hover around 0 growth rate year after year.


10. The same can happen to Singapore without proper population and housing management/planning.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:16 pm]

https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/macroeconomic/most-densely-populated-countries-in-global/#:~:text=Singapore%20is%20followed%20by%20Hong,3%2C369%20people%20per%20square%20kilometer.

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:17 pm]

Since when is healthcare a collective responsibility? I fall sick and you pay for it? Can i take from you medisave? If elderly needs healthcare, they have their own medisave and own insurance

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:18 pm]

Are you sure it's because of no immigrants that Japan fall

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:18 pm]

All our residents have their whole working lives contributing to their own fund, why need tax to subsidize?


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:18 pm]

Healthcare subsidy by government come from taxes collected from population.


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:19 pm]

Wouldnt that creat a buffet syndrome? Ill just go for the best taxpayer contributed to minimuze my own spending

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:19 pm]

It's because the highly stressful environment, and us playing tricks


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:19 pm]

And subsidies can range from 30% to 60% or more depending on income groups.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:20 pm]

School fees for Singaporeans are subsidise.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:20 pm]

Why subsidies when we can reduce the cost of treatment


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:20 pm]

Housing grants are subsidise.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:20 pm]

Left to right pocket


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:21 pm]

Social welfare are subsidise.


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:21 pm]

Also subsidies encourage the providers to gouge our system. If they know gov will be footing part of the bill, just charge the patient the max they can afford


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:21 pm]

Job support programs are subsidise.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:21 pm]

Land is own by gov 

They set high price and give subsidies


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:21 pm]

Retrenchment support are government subsidy.


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:22 pm]

Already housing people leverage to the max, they are counting on the subsidy to make part of the cost. And homesellers can charge more because they know gov will give money to the buyer and buyer can used locked cpf funds

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:23 pm]

For health care sometimes doctor just decides for you the treatment plan without giving you different treatment plan for patients to choose


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:23 pm]

Who pay the most taxes for government fiscal budget?

The very rich.

Middle income - pay lesser.

Lower income - pay almost no taxes.


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:23 pm]

Throw tax money to healthcare, dont be surprised that hospitals make big profit

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:24 pm]

Until we ask for alternative treatments plan

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:24 pm]

As we dislike the plan after trying it out

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:25 pm]

End up we spent additional money


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:25 pm]

But what if our population fall by half to 3 millions people?

Domestic economy cannot function well.

Very rich cannot grow their wealth in Singapore, leave Singapore.

Left with middle income and lower income - pay even higher taxes to compensate.

Many elderly with not enough support.

Singapore economy plummet.

We will be a very sad state.


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:25 pm]

Our elderly dinks with multi million in cpf needs more support

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:26 pm]

If only they have children for filial piety

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:26 pm]

Why cant single elders plan ahead

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:26 pm]

But all these newcomers will eventually becomes old and their fertility rate does not replace them

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:26 pm]

Then we will have a bigger problem

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:27 pm]

The snowball will be bigger

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:27 pm]

Isn't it

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:27 pm]

Tbf, a lot of our pop is not citizen. When they grow old they can have a comfy retirement in china/india/malaysia

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:28 pm]

We can simply import working age adults and kick them out when they stop working like what we are doing now


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:28 pm]

Singapore now is the most well managed economy in the world.

US with everything on their own - descended into a more and more unliveable, unlikeable, hostile place to live.

And many Americans stand up and openly quote Singapore and China as an economic model to emulate.

Not US - a selfish nation.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:28 pm]

American democratic don't work because uneducated 60% voted for uneducated leader twice.

Singapore and China hold up for best government in the world.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkEwa1L8/


Adam, [27/6/2025 1:30 pm]

Thing is, american who voted for him arent voting for the economy

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:31 pm]

Because what is the economy? The economy boomed since covid. Stonks doubled. Did you income double since?

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:31 pm]

Because economy doesnt equal income and col

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:31 pm]

So who benefits when economy good?

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:31 pm]

Rich ppl

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:32 pm]

Singapore has lots of rich ppl so singapore benefit

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:32 pm]

But idk if you or me benefit as much

Adam, [27/6/2025 1:33 pm]

Singapore economy very good. We can see it in hdb price rising faster than median income.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:37 pm]

And a mindset of isolationism, nationalism, protectionism, the MAGA  - is exactly what the current Trump administration are doing for US.

Results:- civil turmoil, economic contagion, hostile living environment, alot of hatred, polarisation and divisive politics domestically as well as hatred towards immigrants and other countries.

Now US increasingly isolated from the world and the world are increasingly treating US as a pariah State, an unwelcome Nation.


G, [27/6/2025 1:44 pm]

How much will our views impact on the process and decisions for draft master plan to published master plan?

How much more will the draft master plan change between now and full publishing?

Or is it a done deal already, and today's topic is more for ground sensing for future pacification framing?


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 1:48 pm]

G7 summit, no World Leaders greet Trump.

Because Trump humiliated many of them in bilateral meetings at the White House.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkw7N2To/


G, [27/6/2025 1:48 pm]

Does the draft master plan fit into new transport minister's priorities? 

Or does the new transport minister's priorities fit into the draft master plan?

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:54 pm]

Half of the population are citizens and we add in about 50k people pr and citizens every year

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:54 pm]

https://www.sg101.gov.sg/social-national-identity/examples/integrating/

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:56 pm]

So how much does ura account these numbers as that means every year there's a need of at least 10-20k housing at demand assuming 3-4 new citizens stays together

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:58 pm]

Average time to build a building will take about 3-4 years I assume so  about 80k housing per plan demands

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 1:59 pm]

So every election there will be new hub being announced of my calculations are right

Garion Chan, [27/6/2025 1:59 pm]

Can I know does the Authorities even address the issue of 2nd timer trying to apply for a Bto? 80000 is just a number. Carbon Footprint is another issue with potential deforestation. 

OH, by the way will he look into only 5% chance given to 2nd timer and now increased to 30% on a case by case basis needs, as new system just making more people apply. Nothing wrong to applying but people like me have applied for 13th time still cannot get 😅

REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 2:01 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:03 pm]

I searched Google 100-200 flats per HDB so on average there's a need for at least 10 -20 HDB to be built/year

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:04 pm]

So I can foresee deforestation and more new estate in coming years

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:05 pm]

After that within 10-20 years gov will say let's develop ubin and you will see ubin become another estate.

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:06 pm]

And more tourists will say boring

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:14 pm]

Lol ubin as an estate? I wonder if how people will go to work

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:14 pm]

Maybe we can have an ubin mrt

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:19 pm]

About deforestation, gov should look into places that dont make efficient use of land. Maybe need a land value tax.

If we convert low density housing to tall flats, we need to cut down less forests and its more sustainable. Making better public transport also reduce it. See how much space some roads and car parks take

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:20 pm]

Doesnt have to be housing too. Mall, sports centres, religious building need to improve land usage

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:21 pm]

Yes that's why I suggest 50 and above storey HDB as a norm instead those short 20-40 storey building

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:21 pm]

Or we can also just reclaim more land like T5

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:21 pm]

Maybe build underground and ubderwater lol

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:21 pm]

Reclaiming land harm biodiversity

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:23 pm]

Singapore need to have residential sky scrapper but these projects only have a few

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:25 pm]

The pinnacle is already 15 year old it's time to build another taller one

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:25 pm]

At this rate maybe make a deal with malaysia so can move housing or industry there

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:26 pm]

Unless Singapore expand into JB lor. Like acquire JB lands if not very hard to survive at these newcomers rate

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:27 pm]

Reality is, business that cant utilize valuable singapore land effectively will die out

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:27 pm]

Imagine if all your food come from singapore farm

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:28 pm]

If feed whole singapore then the main island will be agriculture while everyone else live in sentosa

Adam, [27/6/2025 2:28 pm]

Ultimately have to move land intensive stuff offshore


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:29 pm]

'A city without history is harder to love': The emotional case for preserving Singapore's heritage through conserved buildings.

The government proposed conserving five sites of heritage value under the latest draft master plan. 

But what sort of memories and historical value do these sites hold for Singaporeans?         

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/today/big-read/city-without-history-harder-love-emotional-case-preserving-singapores-heritage-through-conserved-buildings-5167336


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:32 pm]

Honestly I don't what these 5 sites are for

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:32 pm]

Forgive me as I am gen z


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:35 pm]

1. Next I want to address heritage.

2. Singapore has a short history - about 60 years.

3. Hence our heritage is not very rich.

4. As I read a news article few days ago, a British woman tourist visit Singapore and exclaimed:- "I expect to see Singapore historical heritage. But all I see are many tall modern buildings".

5. Hardly see any historical heritage that talk about Singapore history and development.

6. I concur with her observations though it is not pleasant.

7. Tourists often when visit a country will like to know the historical background and heritage of a country in addition to the tourist spots.

8. A rundown of our heritage at a central place will be needed to keep tourists attracted to and remember us uniquely when they arrive in Singapore.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:37 pm]

This is the part we are lacking.  Our history starts from raffles not very long

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:37 pm]

We have museum but do Singaporean even goes to museums


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:37 pm]

9. Hence the foresight and vision of our government to plan and build for a central Memorial Heritage Hall besides Marina Bay Garden is a good move.

Though it may cost $350 million to build.

But the ROI from tourism revenue will be worth it.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:38 pm]

Do we know the history of let say Jurong east

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:39 pm]

History of Chua chu kang. I think heritage is not like show and tell in one big museum

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:39 pm]

But many small small introduction of what happens in small areas


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:39 pm]

10. Currently our museums and heritage sites are scattered all over the places, small in scale, not well connected and story don't run coherently.

11. Even though if we visit each of the sites, when I was young, I can't piece the rundown of our history coherently.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:40 pm]

Because museum are attraction site where Singaporean don't go as need to pay money

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 2:42 pm]

Heritage is something Singaporean should know without deliberately goes to somewhere to understand


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:44 pm]

12. Hence if we have a large centrally located - centralised Heritage Memorial Hall near Marina Bay Garden - well planned, with visual to coherently present our history from Sang Nila Utama all the away to 1965 independence to our current State - pointing out historical locations of historical events - then I think we will attract foreign tourists and local tourists to visit the Heritage Hall.


13. Singapore can easily recoup the ROI of $350 million as our tourism revenue is $29 billion every year.

Source :- Google AI.

$350 million is peanut. That's 1.2% of our yearly tourism revenue.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:48 pm]

14. I have read and visited some grand heritage sites overseas especially Europe that is very rich in historical heritage culture, Hawaii. 

Unfortunately, I didn't visit China - another very rich heritage sites.


15. The tourism revenue brought by these heritage sites are huge.


16. Likewise, I think it will be the same for Singapore if we plan our Heritage Memorial Hall right.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 2:49 pm]

Heritage sites indeed attract a significant number of tourists and generate substantial revenue for many countries. Here's a breakdown of the impact of heritage tourism ¹ ² ³:

- *Global Market Size:* The heritage tourism market was valued at around $604.38 billion in 2024 and is projected to reach $778.07 billion by 2030, growing at a CAGR of 4.5%. Other estimates suggest it could reach $817.52 billion by 2034 or $843.5 billion by 2033.

- *Growth Drivers:* Increasing interest in cultural and historical experiences, preservation of cultural heritage, and sustainable tourism practices are driving the growth of heritage tourism.

- *Regional Hotspots:* The Asia Pacific region dominates the heritage tourism market, accounting for around 39.76% of global revenue in 2024. Countries like Japan and China are investing heavily in preserving their cultural sites, which attracts tourists and boosts local economies.

- *Revenue Streams:* Heritage sites generate revenue through ticket sales, tourism packages, and donations. Some sites, like the Louvre Museum, are also embracing digital transformation by offering virtual tours, which can provide additional income.

- *Economic Impact:* Heritage tourism can have a significant economic impact on local communities, creating jobs and stimulating economic growth. However, it's essential to balance tourism with preservation and sustainability to ensure the long-term benefits of heritage tourism.

Some notable examples of heritage sites that attract many tourists include ⁴:

- *Machu Picchu:* This Inca citadel in Peru is a popular tourist destination, and efforts are being made to engage local communities and ensure sustainable tourism practices.

- *Louvre Museum:* By offering virtual tours, the Louvre is making art more accessible while generating additional revenue.

- *Historic England Sites:* In 2023, historic attractions in the UK saw an 11% increase in visits, with revenue rising by 10%.

Source:- Meta AI


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:02 pm]

The Singaporean government (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore) has established four nature reserves in Singapore (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore). They are the Bukit Timah Nature Reserve (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukit_Timah_Nature_Reserve), Central Catchment Nature Reserve (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Catchment_Nature_Reserve), Labrador Nature Reserve (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador_Nature_Reserve), and Sungei Buloh Wetland Reserve (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungei_Buloh_Wetland_Reserve).[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_reserves_in_Singapore#cite_note-1)

Source:- Wikipedia


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:03 pm]

In 1984, nature reserves took up some 2,000 hectares (4,900 acres) of the country's land.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_reserves_in_Singapore#cite_note-Hsuan_1-2) This figure has been increased to 3,000 hectares (7,400 acres), as of 2009.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_reserves_in_Singapore#cite_note-Tan_1-3)


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 3:08 pm]

But look at the vegetation map it reduces greately


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:11 pm]

Despite the housing plans, the Singapore nature reserves has grown in size and not diminished.

And amidst the integrated housing hubs build, tree planting that conforms with the concept of flower gardens will be put in place.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 3:11 pm]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/years-of-land-cover-change-in-Singapore-The-maps-were-created-based-on-four_fig1_335905786

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 3:13 pm]

I think younger population like me wants more nature 

That's why you see many nature groups in Singapore. And very group show this type of map

Adam, [27/6/2025 3:19 pm]

Me neither

Adam, [27/6/2025 3:19 pm]

Imo, if the givr wanna preserve something it should be food culture


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:19 pm]

Unregulated forest shrink because need to build houses, transport, office buildings and amenities.

But 4 big forest reserves size increase.

Trees will be planted along the roads and housing blocks to beef up vegetation and make Singapore a city garden - not just concrete blocks.


Adam, [27/6/2025 3:20 pm]

What happened to the ice cream sellers under the block?

Adam, [27/6/2025 3:20 pm]

Im sure almost all remember them if they lived here long enough


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:24 pm]

The green density within our whole country is one of the densest in the world and hence label as the "Garden City".


Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:24 pm]

True

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:25 pm]

Pasir ris was so beautiful with mini forest all gone. Construction,  build more buildings.  Private home

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:25 pm]

All foreigners buying for investment

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:26 pm]

Had see monitor lizard roaming on the road nearby where there used to be forest

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:27 pm]

Too many shopping mals side by side. Go in al shops empty. No customer

Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:32 pm]

Yesterday topic on food.

Economic rice stalls have veg food, but not pure veg. Bittergourd, is made with eggs. Fried rice with eggs. Veggies with prawn sambal.  U tell the people working there to make without egg n veg sample. No respond. Not the owners. I stall I went to, used same spoon that was used in meat item. Someone need to make them understand.  They can increase business if put veg food n non veg food apart. Use saperate utensils.  N make veggies pure veg


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:32 pm]

Ironically, all the malls and food courts I visited are packed with people.

Eg. Nex, Paya lebar central, Ang Mo Kio hub, Punggol Mall, IMM, Sengkang Mall etc.


Ginie/Komal ZENDORA J, [27/6/2025 3:33 pm]

Malls are packed. Look into the shops, how empty

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 3:40 pm]

This is why I guess not to continue deforestation if possible build one big building to accommodate every thing rather keep invading other life places


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 3:56 pm]

Many of the shops in the mall are surviving and profitable for many years - even though they look no one patronizing - paying high monthly rental.

Though a few change hands.

That means, their business revenue can sustain their business except for a few.

Some are doing online e-commerce business in addition to physical stores.

So cannot jump to conclusion that shops lack patronage means no business and not profitable.

Sometimes it is more than meet the eyes.

That's why, population numbers must be sufficient to sustain the domestic economy.

Unlike in Johor, many vacant shops in the malls, hardly can see people walking into the malls.

Singapore malls are packed with people and all shops are taken up - didn't see any empty slots in the malls.


Hanny, [27/6/2025 3:57 pm]

I like the fact that more greeneries are featured in the master plan.

Hanny, [27/6/2025 4:01 pm]

People talks about the high cost of rental in holland village. I live very near to holland village. I don’t know how much is the rent. I can see shops closed and new shops opened. The place is busier than ever.

REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 4:02 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Hanny, [27/6/2025 4:02 pm]

I work in cbp area. My lunch is less than $5, 2 veg 1 meat and rice.

Hanny, [27/6/2025 4:03 pm]

We should have more integrated community.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 4:09 pm]

I also visited Vivo City.

As I browse around the 2 floor NTUC hypermarket, I notice a few NTUC staff with a vest that say - online orders.

And I see the staff busy emptying shelves of groceries into their trolley and it is very full.

I was astonished, the fully packed shelves suddenly become half empty as I browse.

So who can jump into conclusion that so many malls, shops got no business?


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 4:26 pm]

1. Next I want to talk about the concept of "Long Island" that do a buffer along the east coast - to prevent rising sea water - entrap a reservoir - so that sea facing integrated hubs can be build for housing, malls and shopping.


2. Such development can help to bring revenue to finance the infrastructure of sea rising threat, and at the same time build housing, integrated hubs to solve housing problems and at the same time create a reservoir for water supply.


3. A brilliant masterplan that solves many problems at one go.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 4:43 pm]

In fact I was thinking along the line of entering a time machine,


1. Tourists will enter into a chamber of Sang Nila Utama in a jungle, we witness the prince see a lion entering (can be video) but a life size humans and lion like - using AI and humanoid robots ?

Or virtual reality.

Or even actors and actress show?

Or it can be a combination of the 4 visuals with broadcast narrative explaining the chronological events.

Probably can elicit MediaCorp to help in choreographing the whole show like a drama or movie.

Or even getting input from thearterical directors who are proficient in theaters shows.

To give the impact of historical events - how Temasek is formed.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 4:47 pm]

2. Then enter another chamber, to relive the Sir Stamford Raffles.

3. Then British colony.

4. Then the impact of Japanese occupation.

5. Then British retake Singapore.

6. Merger with Malaysia.

7. Indonesia confrontation.

8. Racial riot.

9.  Then LKY win independence - probably can broadcast his election speech through a lifesize LKY robot? - From marshland to become a metropolitan city 10 years down the road! He exclaimed.

10. Etc etc until the development of modern Singapore.

The whole historical heritage can take one full day or a few days - to have an immersive experience of our 60 years of heritage.

So think deeply, will tourists pay good money for such immersive heritage experience?

And recoup our $350 million investment easily?


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 4:48 pm]

If we can build such an impactful Heritage Memorial Hall in Marina Bay - then the impact to tourism visitation will be very successful.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:10 pm]

If I am a tourist will I pay for such a fake thing 🤔

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:10 pm]

Maybe for once


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:10 pm]

After one or a few show, can usher the tourists into a lunch chamber.

Offering a mix of say 1960s food.

Eg.

1. Kok Kok mian - roadside mee stall, hainanese chicken rice etc.

2. Malay halal food eg. Nasi lemak, mee rebus, mee Siam etc.

3. Indian food like curry chicken, roti prata etc 

4. Western food.

Etc.

This will give the impact of show + food - and reinforce tourists of Singapore history.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:10 pm]

But that's only like one attraction


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:11 pm]

More than 10 attraction because every period of historical setting are different.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:12 pm]

Easily 1 hour or 2 in each setting.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:12 pm]

I think heritage should be hidden yet everywhere. Such as mrt station like eunos mrt show some historical board that will be more useful

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:13 pm]

Of course museum is important but that will be more for tourists rather for locals

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:14 pm]

If neighbourhood complex or building design that showcase heritage with story introduction that will be better

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:16 pm]

Maybe painting or something to introduce a place history with wording explanation

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:17 pm]

Something 潜移默化rather purposely


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:18 pm]

Yesterday, I was watching a tvb drama serial. 潜行追击。Laughing 哥。

A 45 minute drama each - 30 series.

But the up and down of the plot make me glue to the TV for a solid 45 minutes.

Cannot wait to watch the next series.

If our new Heritage Memorial Hall historical events can achieve such impact - then we have more than 10 attractions in each historical events.

I think the 2nd world war, will be interesting.

The racial riot will make us nervous and exciting.

The build up of LKY independence and election speech will be inspiring.

Etc.


365, [27/6/2025 5:19 pm]

With the amount of ppl glued to their phones, how many actually will realise any differences when they walk by? Can't force a horse to drink water if it's not thirsty.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:20 pm]

And this tvb drama serial - the 5th time I watch it.

It is still very exciting and I keep chasing it even though I know the plot.

If our Heritage attractions can achieve such effects - local tourists won't mind watching it again repeatedly.


Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:21 pm]

That is why I emphasize more on painting on buildings, corridors mrt station so when people board they may look around and catch their attention

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:22 pm]

Jurong east have shelter corridors that feature art of students. This can also change to historical heritage

Jun Ming, [27/6/2025 5:24 pm]

Who knows why esplanade is build be like durian


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:35 pm]

Another TVB Drama series - that talk about Japanese occupation in HK.

30 series drama. 义海豪情。

How the actors and actresses survive Japanese occupation, join guerillas and Japanese surrender.

Very exciting and nerve racking.

If we can produce similar quality show in our heritage attraction during Japanese occupation - eg. How Lim Bo Seng fight the guerilla war - nerve racking and got caught and torture.

How our Malay lieutenant leading a Malay battalion fight the Japanese invaders heroically in bukit timah or bukit panjang.

Then it will attract foreign tourists and local tourists to the heritage hall.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:38 pm]

I think our tourism board that are building the heritage memorial hall - can view those videos that I mentioned.

It is found in YouTube.

Just type the Chinese characters drama name.

You can view it - and see whether you get addicted to the drama or not.

But it can certainly bring alot of pointers to build a very successful attractions into our heritage memorial hall.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:50 pm]

The successful formula is:-

1. Immersive.

2. Reliving the historical events as though we are one of the actor or actress or even we are one of them going through it as events unfold.

3. We must not have the feeling of visiting a museum or watching a static display.

4. Our emotions can go up and down as events unfold.

5. We desire to see a positive outcome.

Just like what we expect when watching the TVB Drama serials.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 5:54 pm]

6. And if we are so successful to make people want to watch and chase it - like Taylor swift concert or those TVB Drama serials that I mentioned - than I say our heritage hall will be a great success.

Not forcing people to go.


REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 6:01 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

RY, [27/6/2025 6:03 pm]

SG Urban Development is one of best in the world compared to many countries, fm some of documentary that I have watched b4 

SG land is very limited, hence urban development role plays an very impt part in creating how SG should look like  

I believe for a good urban development planning, it should incorporate the country past/present/future developments 

Also, it should include different aspects such as - 

1) housing (public & private)

2) nature (balance eco-system eg garden & forest)

3) industrial (manufacturing)

4) water (river&reservior)

5) conservation (heritage bldg)

6) sports (place to exercise eg park)

7) transport (parking & public transport)

8) animals (eg zoo)

9) leisure activities (shopping malls & places of interests eg sentosa)

10) health (hospital & polyclinics)

11) food (domestic food production eg agriculture)

12) govt bldg (parliament & different mininistry & authority

13) ports (trading of goods)  

14) education (schools)

15) other social facilities (eg playground/community ctr) 

16) F&B (mkts & hawker & coffee shops)

RY, [27/6/2025 6:08 pm]

It is also impt to take into consideration "climate change" factorrg when drafting the urban development plan

Eg sea level is rising/more floods maybe expected/more hotter sun and etc


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 6:29 pm]

MediaCorp use to have those outdoor movie setup in old Caldecot last time I visited.

TVB also has such setup.

Ancient setup, 民初,etc.

If our memorial hall follow such setup and play through historical events, I think it will be immersive and impactful.


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 6:32 pm]

When I visited MediaCorp, they are filming an ancient drama, and the actors and actresses dress in ancient suit.

One actor see us and spoke to us using 文言文。

He say 来者何人?

I playfully reply the same, and then we have a good laugh.

I say 来者外星人也。


LCL (Danny 心), [27/6/2025 6:38 pm]

I think 3D AI Computer Vision modeling can achieve the immersive effects I want.

It is as close as true.

Hollywood blockbuster and China movies achieve this effects.


REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 6:45 pm]

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REACH Singapore, [27/6/2025 6:59 pm]

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Wednesday, June 25, 2025

REACH (Telegram) 81 -   What are your views on efforts to build multiculturalism in Singapore? What more can be done to strengthen multiculturalism?

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25 Jun 2025 (10am - 7pm)


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REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 9:52 am]

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REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 10:01 am]

📢Topic📢

On June 24, at the International Conference on Cohesive Societies, President Tharman Shanmugaratnam said that a truly cohesive multicultural society should be like batik – one piece of cloth created by different hands, forming a single, colourful design. In contrast, many societies treat multiculturalism like a patchwork quilt, where different cultures are kept separate and merely stitched together. 

He warned that in times of stress, such as economic hardship or division, these weak stitches can come apart easily. He used the batik example to highlight the need for cultures to be meaningfully connected, not just placed side by side.

💬 What are your views on efforts to build multiculturalism in Singapore? What more can be done to strengthen multiculturalism?

More than 1,000 people, including policymakers and young leaders from over 50 countries, attended the conference organised by the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies and supported by the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth.

The conference was first held in 2019 to provide an international platform for interfaith and multicultural dialogue, and for participants to exchange ideas and develop solutions to create cohesive and resilient multicultural societies.

Mr Tharman’s address focused on reasons for division across the world while highlighting areas that societies should work on to nurture multiculturalism.

📌True multiculturalism requires deep integration, not just coexistence

President Tharman’s introduced the main analogy that “the fabric of a multicultural society must be like a piece of batik – a single cloth woven by different hands to create a larger motif of many colours.” He contrasts this with the common view of multiculturalism as “a quilt of different patches stitched together,” highlighting that true cohesion comes from cultures being “interwoven” rather than simply coexisting side by side.

📌Superficial or patchwork multiculturalism is fragile

President Tharman mentioned that “in times of stress, when economic insecurity or polarising forces intensify, the stitches weaken and the quilt is easily forced apart.” This shows how multiculturalism that is only loosely connected risks unraveling when faced with challenges, emphasizing the need for stronger, deeper social bonds. 

📌Cultural exchange builds social resilience

President Tharman emphasised about the importance of “learning about each other’s culture, music, dance and language,” noting that this “creates a deeper understanding” and leads to “a much richer social cohesion.” This underlines how meaningful cultural interaction fosters empathy and unity, making the society more resilient. 

At the first plenary session of the three-day conference, Professor Colleen Ward from Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand said her research found that people who engage in multicultural contact tend to have a stronger sense of national belonging.

📌Building a cohesive society is a continuous journey

President Tharman said that multiculturalism “is a journey, and there is no journey more worthwhile,” acknowledging that building deep social cohesion is an ongoing process that requires continuous effort and openness from all communities. 

At the plenary session, Professor Ward also said that building multiculturalism should not be seen as the sole responsibility of the governments, and that citizens acting together can effect change. No one organisation can solve this alone, but it is possible to do so with other partners.

🔗 [ST] Multicultural societies must be woven together like batik, not a patchwork quilt: Tharman: https://str.sg/phCD

🔗 [ST] Multiculturalism a strength for countries but needs trust to flourish: https://str.sg/FgH7

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Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:12 am]

Multi cultures include religion

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:14 am]

Some cultures is tag to a major religion.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:18 am]

Based on observation majority of

Malay tag to Muslim 

Indian tag to Hindu 

Chinese tag to Buddhist, Taoist, 

Christianity is a religion that is special as I have friends from different races that are Christan

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:20 am]

In previous election religion comes into politics.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:24 am]

I think Singapore have been focusing on harmony of races but not as much for religion. 

Understanding different beliefs of religion and culture is essential for Singaporean

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 10:26 am]

Idk what is the best approach to this as I feel Singapore is just shafting things under the carpet

G, [25/6/2025 10:33 am]

After all those years of nation building to form a national identity, Singapore culture, now want to throw it away with multiculturalism?

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:40 am]

religion...on spirituality is alright..it is easy to coexist.

it is the religions that include politics is the most dangerous of all.

......

i was on full alert when manap of worker party saying religion compasses everything...and wp leader didn't even stop manap from making such a dangerous speech.

when ask by MP of MHA, manap didn't even dare to give a direct yes or no.

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the world is under the threat of political religions.

we, as population and government, must be able to question religions especially the political parts of it.

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our Singapore model of religious and racial harmony may work for us...but it will not stop political religions.

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U.K is under invasion from jihadists disguised as immigrants..they intend to out population the u.k non believers citizen then eventually vote for their belief MP and eventually PM then implement sharia in order to take over u.k and make it a caliphate.

these religious terrorists...is doing the same strategy in america.

in 2 to 3 generations or more...america too will face greater problem like u.k.

which is why there are propaganda against Trump. He is an obstacle for demcrat party and religious jihadists.

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we must be able to deter religions from invading into political aspect...once religion corrupted the politics, peace and harmony will be non existent.

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Let us be intellectually honest, morally honest.

Not all religions teach peace , harmony and kindness and coexistence.

those who says it does is obviously lying. either they are dishonest or they didn't read the religious books of all if not some of the religion text and books.

..............

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:43 am]

will read the article then get back to it.

.....but the topic of religions has hit my nerve of alarm and potential danger it brings.

......

because to reach, we should be honest and candid in sharing and discussion.

with intention to make Singapore better and safe.

RY, [25/6/2025 10:43 am]

Religions is part of culturism 

However, religion is a very sensitive issue when mix with politics/racism

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:45 am]

religions is not a sensitive topic...it must be desensitized in order for Singapore to truly experience peace and harmony.

RY, [25/6/2025 10:52 am]

In order to build a cohesive society

I believe "national identity" is more significant factor to create/form, for a multi-racial country like SG

And that is what unique about SG, when foreigners/tourists seeing multi-races/religions/cultures/languages and etc, living in harmony and respect for one another

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:53 am]

Singapore is not immun to political religion invasion.

our ex president ,  she posted a Facebook pointing out against israel.

israel is currently fighting for its survival. if they fall, they will face Holocaust worse then what the jews experience during world war 2.

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our ex president should not have posted what she posted.

it only shows she is too affected by her religious belief.

why she didn't post against the genocide against non believers in other countries.

boko haram, coptic Christians being discriminated and systematic weed out in Egypt. somalia, etc.

she as an ex president should know herself..even she cannot control her affiliation to her religion and choose to post against israeal action..

lets be honest... when a person or country is fighting for survival....the most important thing is to survive.

.........

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:56 am]

they only see the superficial parts of Singapore.  deep down and under the surface......the dangerous current is strong.

the government is protecting Singaporean without most Singaporean aware of what is happening in the dark, or back scene.

ISA and ISD has done well to protect Singapore.

..........

ask for the statistics who are the one arrested under ISA.

and the religion demographic ..

we will have a better picture of what is happening.

but it is considered "sensitive" and unlikely to be made public.

Adam, [25/6/2025 10:56 am]

You are looking so far away, looking at those brown people. Are you getting blind to things happening right in front in our streets?

Maybe you only notice minorities because they are different, but if you look around you, new citizens are taking over culturally. Look at the malls got so much restaurants that dont even have english characters

Daniel, [25/6/2025 10:57 am]

I think this points to an important issue here that has a lot of potential for division among different groups. In the example of Israel/Gaza many people seem to argue along lines influenced by what religion they belong to (be it for or against either side) which makes it very hard to have any factual discussion on the topic. It also makes it difficult for the government to provide any help/make any statement/act in any other way without incurring the wrath of one of the sides. I feel this is very dangerous and a real risk to our social cohesion.

Adam, [25/6/2025 10:57 am]

How can we be a multicultural society if we are quietly nudging others away

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:57 am]

I observed deeper than you think.

Adam, [25/6/2025 10:58 am]

Have you triend eating out with a muslim friend? Very hard to find food for them so dont bother inviting them for makan

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:58 am]

yes

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 10:59 am]

i am telling you..i observed deeper than you think or see on the surface.

Adam, [25/6/2025 10:59 am]

Every discussion about race doesn't have to drag along gaza

Adam, [25/6/2025 10:59 am]

I thin kwe should focus on our streets. Its not like you see 90% of protest rants online

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:00 am]

Idk how pap will manage this multiculturalism

REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 11:01 am]

[ Poll : How well do you think Singapore has nurtured multiculturalism? ]

- Extremely well

- Very well

- Somewhat well 

- Not very well 

- Not at all well 

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:01 am]

All talk. Maybe they need to remove sap. Also make eip for private housing. Lots of private enclaves and singapore is mostly foreigner at this point

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:02 am]

How can we integrate our non citizen pop?

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:02 am]

Finding food to accommodate vegetarian and halal and non hala is difficult

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:03 am]

I think Hala food is easier to find than vegetarian food

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:03 am]

If you meet a malay in the street, i bet they a most likely a ns serving singaporean. Compared to meeting a random other race. Isnt malay like 20% of citizen. Im surprised 20% of dining isnt halal

Daniel, [25/6/2025 11:03 am]

We do exactly this for all our work lunches (daily lunches with colleagues) and it works fairly well. There are a lot of food courts and hawker centres around which make this a lot easier than in other places I have been to.

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:04 am]

Well except for trash fast food. They probably got halal supply chain.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:04 am]

I agree a lot of food courts have all these food

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:05 am]

I think malay muslim community is having a health crisis from junk food

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:05 am]

But sometimes finding a food court with everything is still difficult

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 11:06 am]

admin, will definitely get back to once i finishing reading the articles.

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:06 am]

Even if not halal, we have a lot of Chinese restaurants catering solely to Chinese. Have chinese menu or staff

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:06 am]

Our tamil friends cant order

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:06 am]

At least indian restaurants have english characters

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:09 am]

I think there should have a rule to put in English characters on f&b menus

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:10 am]

But then again I hope it wouldn't be like Malaysia facing back leashes

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:10 am]

Regardless, with the cost of living, i kinda stopped eating out. I hope the local eateries survive. Cdc might be artificially inflating demand

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:11 am]

I don't use CDC for food establishment.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:12 am]

I only use it for hardware and buying fresh groceries

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:12 am]

But back to today topic

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:12 am]

Funnily enough, i went malaysia a few days back and it reminded me of my childhood. The food still done the old way and cheap. Serving huge.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:13 am]

In the post it say faith organisation can help

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:14 am]

So inter religious dialogue/debate can go deeper

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:15 am]

Btw about halal food, maybe need muis to look into how it certifies stuff. Maybe its too strict, or eateries need support. I think some foreign place they have halal but alcohol is separate

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 11:16 am]

Because I believe all religious is teaching human to better spiritually. 

And a lot of moral standards deprived from religion.

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:21 am]

I think we have to go beyond faith orgs. I doubt most residents subscribe to them

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 11:27 am]

please do not assume....

it is such assumption making the work harmony difficult.

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i bought quran, sirah , bible, dao de ching and mein kampf., still reading these books, when there is time for it after more than 12hours of driving.

i read buddhism text, buddhism is the topic done in religious studies in secondary 4 in the 1990s.

.......

pleased do not make the assumption statement 

i believe all religious is teaching human to better spiritually.

if it really does....slavery would have abolished millennia ago.

we will not be here talking about religious, multiculturalism harmony.

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:48 am]

Speaking of faith, i think many residents dont trust the state run platforms. I can see some Muslims go beyond whatever muis and ministers have has for official statements for gaza. Chinese have some weird prc media. My south asian coworkers go about their circles

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:48 am]

Thinking about it, its not about religion. Its about community

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:49 am]

It looks like each race doesnt feel like they truly belong here

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:50 am]

They all have their separate community they stick to

Adam, [25/6/2025 11:50 am]

Not sure but perhaps there are distiction among the races, like hindi migrants with Tamils, PRC and local chinese

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 12:13 pm]

1.) Multiculturalism is a misleading it.

a specific words for it is religious multiculturalism.

be for Singaporea independent on 09 August 1965.

we can see multiculturalism.

inter raccial marriage is the prove of it.

nonya and baba culture...it is the product of multiculturalism.

2.) Singish is also such products...

3.) The loyang tua pek kong temple is the prove of multiculturalism between indian and chinese.

4.) batik.is also the product of it...the combination of chinese and malay and indonesian culture.

5.) multiculturalism can work provided... politics part of it is not included.

6.) loyang Tua pek kong temple...no politics involved.. and the "gods" are practically living neighbors.

7.) when a believers become pious and stubbornly stick to the political parts of their religions..that is where the harmony falls apart.

8.) Religions , sticking to the spirituality part of their religions is peaceful.

giving religions political power...is like arming tiger with claws and fangs..

it create harm to the population, both believers and non believers..and there is no room for harmony and coexistence.

that is why the western idea of multiculturalism fail and falling like asteroids hitting the earth...causing destruction.

9.) U.K, Canada, Australia, america is experiment the problem of religious law conflicting with their constitutional law.

10.) declaws and defangs the religions by separate poltics from religions is a MUST in order for multiculturalism to work.

..........

you go look at the Buddhism temple on china and Singapore...

does the statues and idol of buddhas looks like indian or chinese.?  looks more like chinese, isn't it?

that is because the idea, beliefs and are adopted and incorporate together and thus, buddhism flourishes in Afghanistan, china and japan. it changed into zen in Japanese. and in china it is inter mix with taoism and Confucianism in terms of beliefs and philosophies.

one common thing you will notice is there...politics is no in it... there is..but it is to the minimum and not radically enforced.

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whenever you see religion crossed the line into politics... conflicts happens.

be it Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, america, u.k. nigeria...

Nicholas, [25/6/2025 12:25 pm]

Fully agree with what President Tharman is saying. Many larger countries have quilt like societies instead of batik like societies. Please continue to build multiculturalism in Singapore, especially effective is the HDB system where people from different cultures are made to live in close proximity to each other, facilitating mingling. Multi-cultural food fares and tours can also be organized.

Joomua Tng, [25/6/2025 12:27 pm]

people, as a human, has no problem living together in harmony and multiculturalism..

it is the political parts of it that is causing the conflicts and divide


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 12:29 pm]

1. Culture and religion do coexist and it must be respected.


2. But mixing religion or using religion to influence politics is a no-no in a multicultural secular society.

It will be a sure way to break the society.


3. It is not possible to have a melting pot - whereby there is only 1 identity - because Singapore is make up of migrants of multicultural communities - Chinese, Malay, Indian and other races.


4. Hence promoting different cultures within each community is ok - but integrating and inter-wovening different cultures and communities as 1 Singapore identity as a Superordinate goal is a more pragmatic way of forging harmony and peaceful coexistence with the different communities.


5. The key to peaceful coexistence and harmony are mutual respect and mutual understanding - a basic humanity values that must be uphold.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 12:41 pm]

6. Notice a trend of more China restaurants and f&b entering Singapore.


7. If we look backwards, it is a natural trend that coincides with world development.


8. During the 1980s, Japan economy take off refer to as miracle with strong economic growth - and its MNC, investment and food culture start to go abroad through franchise.


Singapore witness a spike in Japanese restaurants and f&b.

As I walk within the mall, I notice many Japanese restaurants and f&b are still around with Japanese words hanging out of their shops and no English words.

It seems that Singaporeans can accept the Japanese culture.


And when I step into a Japanese restaurant previously, the waitress say "soyimase" - I don't know what it means or did I pronounce the word correctly, I presume it means "welcome".

I think Singaporeans are fine with such cultural difference.

Anyway I have just order a Japanese bento and dining out.

Besides me are Malays eating Chinese noodles halal.

Got Indians, got Chinese, got a Eurasian.

In this food court, got Chinese, Malay, Western, Indian, Japanese, Korean foods.

I very comforting to see different races and culture dining in harmony.

And different races eat together as colleagues.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 1:04 pm]

A Chinese elderly just fainted in the food court, one Chinese woman and a Malay woman try to help him out.

As I walk past, the Chinese woman call to me for help as they don't have strength to pull him up to the chair.

I immediately rush over, and help him to sit on the chair and offer to call the ambulance.

He say no need, I ask him, is it he low in blood sugar, he say yes he just taken a blood sugar tablet.

Hope he is well.

So people of different races indeed do have compassion and help one another in needs.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 1:16 pm]

9. Around early 2000, South Korea becoming very strong.

We see South Korean treading the same path as the Japanese.

Korean chaebol start investing in overseas and Korea food culture franchise and we see many coming into Singapore.

They also have Korean words inscribed in their restaurant and f&b.

Previously in the Korean restaurant, I overheard words like "KamSome Amida".

I don't know what it means, and I am not sure whether I pronounce it correctly.

I presume welcome or thank you?

Likewise I become accustomed to the Korean foods eg. Their grilled meat, grilled fish, their mee, kimchi etc.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 1:24 pm]

10. Now in 2024, 2025 and beyond, China economy take off and has become the 2nd largest Economy in the world.

Similarly, it will emulate the path of Japanese and Korean - whereby we will see China MNCs, restaurants, and f&b coming into our shores.

I am not surprise their restaurants and f&bs will come with Chinese characters and no English - just like the Japanese and Korean.

I walk past a China big food chain call 思家客, it has an English word "Scarlett" but Chinese characters for their foods are all over the place.

I notice it is heavily patronize by mainly Singaporean Chinese and China nationals besides the  food court I patronize which is more multi-cultural.

I won't know what food is suitable for me in 思家客, but my wife is more adventurous and she bought some crackers that I find it quite tasty.

But I can't get use to the mala - too spicy and oily.

I still try to figure around and try to get accustom to the China food.

However, my wife told me haidilao is very nice.

If got opportunity, I will try.


365, [25/6/2025 1:34 pm]

The challenges the government, and Singapore as a whole, now faces is how easily our people can get swayed with foreign influence. It doesn't have to be targeted at Singaporeans, people just scrolling through social media casually can be influenced already.

In the past when the narrative is only from Singapore government-controlled media, it's much easier to unite everyone, since there's little foreign influence.

All these foreign influences can stoke different feelings, while appealing to specific religions. Since there's no control, we start having different influences which affect different Singaporeans differently, and start breaking down our cohesiveness, instead of a government-controlled narrative, which have taken our multiculturalism and religions into account.

365, [25/6/2025 1:36 pm]

Honestly, I have no idea how to resolve from this standpoint, since politically, we cannot move back to the past of a very controlled narrative.

Adam, [25/6/2025 1:36 pm]

What is 'our people'? many of our peers, people we pass on the street arent singaporean. Arent born here. Probably dont have to serve ns

Adam, [25/6/2025 1:36 pm]

Who are we to say that they have to listen to our state propaganda

Adam, [25/6/2025 1:38 pm]

Is it the sole responsibility of singaporeans to be multicultural, while foreigners have a free pass to stick to their enclaves

365, [25/6/2025 1:41 pm]

Most of forefathers came from foreign lands. State controlled media managed to bring them together, as they receive little to no influence from their homeland. It's very different now.

And yes, we can't have them listen to our propaganda now, because they have more media outlets and other influences. As compared to the past, if they are staying here long term, they don't really have a choice, when communications is not so global, our government is the only narrative they have access to regardless of where they came from.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 1:46 pm]

1. For Singaporeans to accept different communities and different cultures - and coexist peacefully and in harmony.


a. We need to have a big heart and big stomach.

大肚量能撑船。


b. If we start to count 5 cents, 10 cents - than nothing can please us - and any differences will make us uncomfortable and blow up into something big.


c. If we look at the US society now - the intolerance of DEI - diversity, equity and inclusion - the whole society break apart.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 1:53 pm]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkEYqwkt/

50 States protest against intolerance of DEI.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 2:00 pm]

1. To preserve Singapore unique identity, we should preserve our racial ratio.


2. This can be done through birth by Singaporeans different races and communities.


3. However, if birth rate cannot keep up and maintain the racial ratio, then we have no choice but to accept immigrants to maintain the racial balance.


4. As we accept new citizens and PRs, we have to accilmilate immigrants to become Singaporeans culture and way of life.


5. We cannot deny the fact that immigrants could bring their homeland culture into Singapore, we need to subtly to get immigrants to conform to Singapore way of life while accepting some differences that immigrants could bring along.


6. *Mutual respect and mutual understanding* are the keys to attain such equilibrium.


REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 2:08 pm]

📢 Topic 📢


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 2:27 pm]

1. The 1st generation of immigrants will unlikely to go NS like we do.


2. But immigrants children and grandchildren and descendants if they become new citizens and PRs - they will have to serve NS.


3. And because these 1st immigrants live, work and play among us, their children attend local schools and immerse into our culture - I notice they start to eat like us (local foods) , talk like us in Singlish, see our programmes, take part in our activities.


4. Their children mandatory will serve NS and become one of us.


5. Just like our grandparents and parents generations - soon these new citizens and PRs will become one of us - provided we are tolerant and accommodating to them.


6. In fact, my ex colleagues talk and act like Singaporeans. They also serve NS.

Only when they told me they come to study in Singapore schools when young, did I realise they come from China.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 2:35 pm]

1. However I realize one thing, to achieve the goals of having different communities, culture and religion interwoven together more quickly in Singapore as painted by our President - I feel that from young, in schools during holidays or adults taking part in activities - should have conducted organise tours to one another communities activities such as religious place of worship, festivals etc.


2. This will help to promote understanding, trust, tolerance and mutual respect.


3. For example, I visited Taoist temples when young, go to church weddings a few time, offer prayers in Hindu temple after offering prayers to a Buddhist temple besides it.


4. I also attended meditation retreat in Nepal Buddhist temple, Thai Buddhist temple, Myanmar Buddhist temple in addition to Chinese Buddhist temple in Singapore.


5. Ironically, the 1st and only time that I step into a mosque is when I was in Dubai (invited by a mosque administrator) - not in Singapore.

I then noticed that Muslim in Middle East specifically Dubai is more tolerant and accommodating to non Muslims than I thought.


REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 4:15 pm]

Dear Contributors,

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on efforts to build multiculturalism in Singapore? What more can be done to strengthen multiculturalism?

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

Thank you!

Megan 😊

REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 4:27 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:28 pm]

I think people generally are afraid to enter other communities worship places

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:28 pm]

Unless there's a tour guide

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:29 pm]

So maybe we need to involve the tourism board on this

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:30 pm]

Like I wouldn't want to enter a Hindu temple without invite and no one to explain to me what is it about

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:31 pm]

And I also don't want to have someone who have the intention to convert me into another religion


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 4:32 pm]

Yes.

Government working with community leaders to organize periodic visitation to place of worships will be helpful.

I walk into Taoist temples, Hindu temples, Buddhist temple with ease.

For church weddings, I was invited by colleagues previously and relatives.

Going to mosques, I can't as no one invited me in Singapore.


Adam, [25/6/2025 4:34 pm]

Pretty sure there is a tourist mosque


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 4:34 pm]

No one attempted to convert me into their religion.


Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:35 pm]

Also language barrier is a factor


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 4:35 pm]

Not sure of any.


Kai Bin, [25/6/2025 4:35 pm]

My suggestion is that the government can organise more multicultural events for people to attend and raise awareness about multiculturalism.

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:36 pm]

Thing is, visiting places of worships is kinda performative

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:36 pm]

Is it some 3rd space you visit every day?

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:36 pm]

Where do we form genuine connections? Maybe talk with colleagues at lunch

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:36 pm]

But what if my indian colleagues go to their own cliques

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:37 pm]

Or malays cant join in a non halal establishment

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:37 pm]

Or only chinese can read the menu

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:37 pm]

Sultan Mosque and Chulia Mosque both can be visited and are part of the regular tourist trail


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 4:38 pm]

I am very interested in what is behind each religion teachings.

I read quite broadly about each religions - and I vaguely can piece up - all point to the same outcome except in varied perspective.

众生无边誓愿度。

烦恼无尽誓愿断。

法门无量誓愿学。

证果无上誓愿成。

Sentinent beings vicious lifecycle are infinite I vow to salvage.

Vexation and sufferings are boundless I vow to end.

Thousands of Divine Teachings to end the sufferings I vow to learn.

Final Salvation I vow to attain.


To summarize:-

These 4 should be the holistic objectives of All Religions.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 4:38 pm]

I see.

Now I know.


Adam, [25/6/2025 4:38 pm]

visits to see prayers cannot trump day to day talking to peers in fostering harmony

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:39 pm]

And religion doesnt define a person or race

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:39 pm]

You learn 1000x more from a person over coffee than looking at the place they sometimes go to

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:40 pm]

The thing is people don't go there and don't know it. 

Even if such programmes are provided people tend to incline towards their own religion

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:41 pm]

Just ask if your RC organise such events will you go

365, [25/6/2025 4:41 pm]

This is assuming people are going to these events if it's available. Within the peers, I'm not sure how many actually bothers. It helps in availability, but still waits for people to voluntarily join the programs. I wonder if there's a more proactive approach without forcing onto people.

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:41 pm]

Going to temple to understand culture is like going to driving school to understand sg driving culture

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:44 pm]

Maybe neighbourhood lvl of fun fair and booths of different culture food will help

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:44 pm]

But feel like limited

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:45 pm]

I realise I don't know much about Indian food other than prata

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:45 pm]

Actually kinda nice, but nowadays street food is bad and overpriced. Like old ramadan bazaar is now weird hipster food

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:45 pm]

Yeah, agree. I think this kind of interaction can best be fostered by making sure that workplaces, residential estates and schools are well mixed. Then those encounters will come naturally. I don't think it can be forced by organising events. E.g. my town council/RC organises events for different festival like break fast together or holi festival. But in the end it's mostly attended by people from that community celebrating it anyway, even though it specifically is open for anyone

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:46 pm]

If it can be organised with a $5 coupon

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:47 pm]

Cdc voucher but pasar malam😂

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:47 pm]

Those RC events are usually at a nominal fee of 2 or 4 dollars, include food as well.

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:47 pm]

We should acknowledge that people tend to congregate among people of their own kind. 

Hence, EIP should stay.

We need to have intentional integration programs. This should start from Primary to JC. 

On top of the national level initiatives, we should have events at the community level. I’m under Buona vista cc. I can see the cc actually have events for the various ethnic groups.

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

Ya instead of funfair food we change to traditional culture food

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

But eip is only singaporeans living in hdb. Does it imply only those in subsidized housing need to integrate

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

We need to get people comfortable with other races.

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

They have exactly that. Bento with traditional food.

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

Foreigners rich enough for private dont need to integrate?

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:48 pm]

Yeah, that's an issue

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:49 pm]

We need non singaporean residents and singaporeans to be in harmony. All living in the same island

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:49 pm]

Cannot have cmio for singaporeans and foreigner enclave

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:50 pm]

We should have a rule that foreigners cannot occupy more than x % of private property.  This includes renters.

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:50 pm]

Then again, im sure singaporeans will hate construction worker dormitories near by their property

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:53 pm]

Btw where are you guys getting all these rc event?

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:53 pm]

Is it because im in a small smc i dun get?

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:54 pm]

I live in hdb and we have a board where all events are posted

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:54 pm]

Next event in my neighborhood is durian feast

Daniel, [25/6/2025 4:55 pm]

Otherwise can follow the RC/TC social media pages, they usually post there. But different estates do it differently

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:55 pm]

Is it you have to pay or does our tax go to this?

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:55 pm]

There should be a community center in your area

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:55 pm]

Pay la

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:56 pm]

$20

Hanny, [25/6/2025 4:56 pm]

I believe got subsidy

Adam, [25/6/2025 4:56 pm]

Idk my cc anymore. The nearest cc is diff grc.

Adam, [25/6/2025 5:10 pm]

Speaking of cc events, wouldnt this only be for singaporeans and prs?

Adam, [25/6/2025 5:10 pm]

We have a massive foreigner population that will stay here long term

Adam, [25/6/2025 5:10 pm]

No initiative for them?

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 5:43 pm]

No it's for the community

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 5:43 pm]

So whoever stays within smc can go

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 5:44 pm]

This depends on how hardworking your MP and grassroots leader is

Jun Ming, [25/6/2025 5:46 pm]

This also shows how good is your residential network


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 5:49 pm]

Actually, government can organise heritage month.

And then invite interested participants to join and visit each place of worships, dine in, listen to the background of each religious teachings.

Identify similarities of each religions and differences.

Then we can have a good mind map - to fill up the puzzle from all the zigs.

Essentially, every religions are talking about the same thing but from different perspectives.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 5:53 pm]

Once everyone come into this conclusion after completion of all the visitation, then all culture and religions become woven and not stitch.

I have come into this conclusion some time back.

无众生相。

无寿者着。

都是悟道相。

No ignorance beings.

No finite life beings.

All are only divine beings of origination.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 5:56 pm]

Of course schools can organise such heritage visits for school children every school holidays.

Children are easier to learn as they are not hold back by old views.


RY, [25/6/2025 5:57 pm]

https://youtu.be/nPZ8Kj1nIAU?si=q8-YSGwoowyz18LM

Adam, [25/6/2025 5:58 pm]

Look at your coworkers how many % study in singapore school?

Adam, [25/6/2025 5:59 pm]

Im in changi business park and feel like sg is a minority

RY, [25/6/2025 6:00 pm]

May watch this interview with Senior Minister Tharman (now SG President), he has quite a good explanation how SG govt manage multi-culturalism through policy

REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 6:00 pm]

📢 Topic 📢

RY, [25/6/2025 6:01 pm]

HDB’s Ethnic Integration Policy: Why it still matters | gov.sg

https://www.gov.sg/explainers/hdb-s-ethnic-integration-policy--why-it-still-matters

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:02 pm]

If it matters, why is private housing not subject?

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:04 pm]

I think people meet their peers more often at work and at hawker center. It will definitely be more effective to have eip enforced on employers. Eip in hawkers in terms of dishes will be good too. Cannot have a hawker center have disproportionate race

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:04 pm]

When is the last time you saw your neighbor? We need eip outside hdb

RY, [25/6/2025 6:04 pm]

How many percentage of SG population stay in Hdb vs private ?


Hanny, [25/6/2025 6:06 pm]

If we only talk about cost for IT resources , I think a big portion of Singaporean in cbp can be replaced by Indians in India, not in Singapore.

The fact that there are still sizable Singaporeans in cbp says something about what the gov has done to ensure Singaporeans are employed in the company.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:06 pm]

Actually you should ask, how many Singaporeans choose to stay in HDB flats rather than private properties.


Hanny, [25/6/2025 6:06 pm]

More than 80%


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:06 pm]

Yes good observation.


Adam, [25/6/2025 6:06 pm]

AI say 76%

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:08 pm]

Mind you i am talking about all population

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:08 pm]

Not just singaporeans and pr

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:09 pm]

Actually, i wonder how many people here even live in malaysia and have to travel every day

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:10 pm]

Can they be counted as our resident if they dont have an accommodation here? Even if they stay here for a bulk of the day?

RY, [25/6/2025 6:10 pm]

For those "converted" singaporeans, they are required to go some cultural briefing/walk b4 they attend the welcome ceremony by SG Minister

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:11 pm]

Do we have any open materials on this. I wouldnt mind brushing up on my social studies

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:11 pm]

But i doubt its that strict

RY, [25/6/2025 6:12 pm]

Those are mainly msian (SG PR), where their msian families still living in msia

365, [25/6/2025 6:14 pm]

I highly doubt there isn't one already, but it's effectiveness is the same as having an ethics exam. People can lie or pretend and outsiders won't know what they are truly thinking.

RY, [25/6/2025 6:21 pm]

May google SG citizenship journey (SCJ) - 

Yes, new Singaporean citizens are required to attend a cultural briefing, called the Singapore Citizenship Journey (SCJ), before their citizenship ceremony. This briefing aims to help new citizens understand Singapore's history, culture, and values, and to build stronger ties with the local community. 

Purpose:

The SCJ is a mandatory induction program designed to familiarize new citizens with Singaporean society. 

Content:

It covers topics such as Singapore's history, culture, values, and the importance of community participation. 

Community Sharing Session:

A key component of the SCJ is the Community Sharing Session, where new citizens meet with residents and community volunteers from their constituency. 

Benefits:

Participating in the SCJ helps new citizens feel more connected to Singapore and better understand their role in the community. 

Citizenship Ceremony:

Following the SCJ, new citizens attend a citizenship ceremony where they receive their citizenship certificates, recite the national pledge, and sing the national anthem. 

RY, [25/6/2025 6:25 pm]

In SG, private property can also be own by foreigners

HDB has to be own either/both singaporean/PR only


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:30 pm]

Ironically, my ex office is next to Jurong business park.

My companies (many SBUs) only employ Singaporeans, new citizens and a rare few PRs (in which certain skillsets are short in supply) - who only work on non sensitive projects.

So not true that IT companies employ largely foreigners.

In fact, most companies that do sensitive projects only employ Singaporeans and no foreigners.

Foreign MNCs could be different - because IT personnel in Singapore are scarce and salary are relatively high. And most local IT talents are already taken up by such IT local companies.


REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 6:45 pm]

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RY, [25/6/2025 6:46 pm]

SG dont use exam like other countries eg canada to pass english


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:48 pm]

I understand that local banks even convert non-IT graduates (Singaporeans) to do IT development and AI because of shortage of computer science and IT graduates.


G, [25/6/2025 6:49 pm]

Much work was done by the 1G PAP in our early nation building years.

A lot of it became undone with floodgates opened for foreigners by the 2G PAP onwards

RY, [25/6/2025 6:50 pm]

Yes, many sensitive projects/SG department, they only employ singaporeans to work only eg MFA

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:51 pm]

I think they stopped doing it. Now job market is hard

Adam, [25/6/2025 6:51 pm]

Just wondering, these sensitive projs got malay in team?

RY, [25/6/2025 6:52 pm]

U may understand why EiP only apply to Hdb and not private properties


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:53 pm]

One of my ex staff is a Malay.


LCL (Danny 心), [25/6/2025 6:55 pm]

And he works on comms.


RY, [25/6/2025 6:56 pm]

Spy can be of different races, lah

RY, [25/6/2025 6:57 pm]

Thanks Reach Team, and Good Evening Participants 🙏

365, [25/6/2025 6:58 pm]

I'm not saying it's an exam, but rather that's the effectiveness. They can pretend to assimilate to get citizenship, but deep down nobody knows how they really feel

REACH Singapore, [25/6/2025 6:59 pm]

Dear Contributors

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Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

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