REACH (Telegram) 69 - What are your views on the Government's engagement efforts even as Singaporeans grow increasingly diverse in their experiences, perspectives and world views? What more do you think REACH can do to strengthen ties with and among Singaporeans?

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02 Apr 2025 (10am - 7pm)

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REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 9:59 AM]

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At the recent REACH 40th anniversary launch ceremony on 29 March 2025 (Saturday), Prime Minister Lawrence Wong spoke about the evolution of public engagement in Singapore and the Government’s increasing commitment to citizen engagement. He shared about the impact of public feedback on policy, and REACH's new role in building bridges between different communities in Singapore increasingly diverse society.

💬 What are your views on the Government's engagement efforts even as Singaporeans grow increasingly diverse in their experiences, perspectives and world views? What more do you think REACH can do to strengthen ties with and among Singaporeans?

📌 REACH's Journey of Transformation

From its humble beginnings as the Feedback Unit in 1985 to its current role as REACH, the unit has continuously pioneered innovative approaches in citizen engagement, including the use of digital platforms to engage Singaporeans. This evolution reflects the Government's deepening commitment to consultative governance and inclusive policy-making.

📌 Impact on Policy Development

Citizen feedback has directly influenced numerous policy changes. Some examples from the last two years include flexible work arrangements, shared parental leave, the Majulah package for seniors, and education policies such as the revamp of the Gifted Education programme. While the Government may not be able to agree to every suggestion, each one is carefully considered and when necessary, the Government will explain and offer alternative solutions. 

📌 Collaborative Solution-Building

Beyond traditional feedback channels, the Government has introduced innovative platforms for citizen participation, including Citizens' Panels, Youth Panels, and Alliances for Action. These initiatives empower Singaporeans to actively participate in developing solutions for complex challenges.

📌 Building Bridges in a Diverse Society

As Singapore grows more diverse in perspectives and experiences, REACH will renew its focus on facilitating both government-to-people and people-to-people connections, creating safe spaces for conversations including on challenging topics like race, religion, and social mobility. These efforts are aimed at harnessing diversity to enrich society instead of allowing it to pull us apart. 

👉 [Speech] https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/PM-Lawrence-Wong-at-REACH-40th-Anniversary

👉 [ST] Govt feedback unit will reach out to niche groups, bridge dialogue on thorny issues: Tan Kiat How | https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/govt-feedback-unit-will-reach-out-to-niche-groups-bridge-dialogue-on-thorny-issues-tan-kiat-how

👉 [CNA] New conversations between civil society leaders to be launched to discuss difficult issues like race, religion: PM Wong - https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lawrence-wong-reach-government-feedback-race-religion-5032246

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365, [2/4/2025 10:55 AM]

Public engagement is definitely a positive trend for Singapore.

I suggest a forum based approach to suggesting public policies, with login tied to singpass to prevent spam.

Citizens can post suggestions for changes, with other citizens up/down voting to decide which should get more priority.

There can be a government account (like an admin) to reply to or acknowledge threads, possibly citing limitations that make the change impossible, or challenges that they face and can crowdsource for further ideas.

I realize the potential for abuse, and banning abusive/troll members can lead to unjustified dissatisfaction. 

Hopefully there are other people who have an idea on how to resolve this issue as I think there is an upside potential if used properly.

Jun Ming, [2/4/2025 1:02 PM]

diversify platforms for feedbacks. When reach switch to telegram some left because some citizens are not familiar with telegram . So perhaps those who wants to stay in whatsapp can have a whatsapp groupchat so  reach will have a better coverage of feedbacks.

LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 2:00 PM]

With the celebration of REACH 40th Anniversary, PM has launched the Next Lap for REACH, a new chapter.

1. Previously, REACH engagement with the public for feedback and consultation is G--to-P, G-to-B (Government-to-People, Government-to-Business)

2. In this new chapter, REACH mission is open up another form of engagement to become a mediator to facilitate P-to-P, C-to-C (People-to-People, Community-to-Community) - that is building bridges among the Community.

This is an expansion into a new role in REACH engagement, in addition to G--to-P, G-to-B (Government-to-People, Government-to-Business).

3. 6 themes have been identified in this new engagement, and I believe it can be classified into 2 thrusts :-

a. Economic Thrust

b. Social Thrust

a. Economic Thrust

i. Resource Competition - eg housing, jobs, transport

ii. Economic Inequality - eg. difference in income and wealth

iii. Rapid Social  Technological Change - eg. keep up with technological advnaces and changing societal expansion.

b. Social Thrust

i. Differences between Communities (eg. different priorities & concern between groups)

ii. Loss of Shared National Identity (eg. as we grow more diverese, what does it mean to be "Singaporean")

iii. Ethnic, Religious or Cultural Divisions (eg. tensions caused b differences between ethnicity, religions or cultural backgrounds).               

                                                                                                                                                            Putting all these in perspectives, it is then possible to have more focus discussions on :-

i. the various themes 

ii identify the various appropriate approaches that enable constructive communication and build bridges among the communities.

REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 2:04 PM]

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LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 2:33 PM]

1. As communities become more diverse, different priorities, different concerns, different expectations, different needs and wants will emerge - leading to tensions pulling the Country, Government and Communities in various directions.

This will be our challenges in the Next Lap.

2. What will ensure that despite the differences in various communities and different pull - our Nation can still remain intact, not polarise, not divisive - and yet pull everyone together?

3. Hence the need to identify a *Superordinate Goal* - a higher-level objective that transcends and unifies smaller, disparate goals or interest. that binds different elements together.

4. We need to keep reminding and keep Communities, People and Participants in focus -- our "*One Nation*" as our Superordinate Goal.

Regardless of how passionate our diverse communities in their various interest and priorities ---- we must always keep in mind "Our One Nation" that we dwell in, we live in, we study, we work, where we build our wealth, bring up our children, we retire - our One Nation must continue to be intact, survive and thrive and must not do things that bring it down.

没有国，没有家。

(No Country, there will be no home, no communities, no future).

If we mess it up, we and our children will live in fear, in frustration and in despair.

5. This will help everyone to search for :-

a. Win-Win solution (Mutually beneficial outcomes)

b. Compromise outcomes - we lose some, but we also win some

c. Outcomes that not only benefit our communities, but also other communities and the whole Nation - by being able to empathise (Able to sit in our shoes, as well as sit in other's shoes).

d. This will help to build constructive, effective bridges among the Communities even for very difficult, sensitive topics or themes.

LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 3:03 PM]

*Economic themes*

1. Personally, I feel that themes in Economic thrust, deep discussion can be less emotive, rational, logical, surgical, math, economic principle approach can be applied to provide solutions to :-

a. Allocate resources fairly

b. Reduce Gini coefficient - to tackle economic inequaltiy

c. Rapid changing technology and social change

2. Because it is all about economics, dollars and sense - and focus more on our IQ (Intelligent Quotient), WQ (Wisdom Quotient) -- and to a lesser extent on our EQ (Emotional Quotient).

3. There are already well structured solutions and approach that time and again discuss in REACH topics whereby (mathematics, economics, accounting approach) to formulate effective solutions to allocate resources fairly, reducing Gini coefiicient, redistribution of wealth, educate in rapid changing technology.

4. For eg. the Government has build MRT and bus services, private hire, car sharing, private ownership of cars etc, ramp up supply of various types of BTO flats to ensure it is affordable, ensure enough job opportunities (attracting investors etc), education in IHL, continuous training, reskill etc.

5. The challenge is on the "Social Thrust" - which appeal to "Emotive faculties" of the people especially very sensitive topics - Religions (and to lesser extent races).

LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 3:27 PM]

*Social Themes*

1. Of all the 3 social themes, 2 themes:- differences between Communities (that include different priorities and concerns), loss of Shared National identity as we grow more diverse --- are not so difficult to deal with --- because as we enroute to Nation Building since 1965 Independence --- our Government has do well to be able to :-

a. Economically ensure different Communities priorities and concerns are addressed by each Communities leaders as well as through National resources specifically Chinese, Malay, Indian and Eurasians (or Others).

I think we can continue to use these approach even though the Communities diversity can grow more complex - as the approaches are time tested and proven effective to build a harmony and cordial relationship within the Communities and among the Communities.

b. To address the fearfulness of loss of Shared National Identity - we must constantly organise programs and activities to remind all our people our *Superordinate Goal* --- to always keep in mind our *One Nation* we dwell in, to immerse with new citizens, PRs and foreigners our culture, cultural heritage, our unqiue ways of lives, our Singlish, our hawker centres, our activities in CCs, RC activities etc that uniquely defined us as *Singaporeans*.

I think throughout our Nation Building since Independence, we have successfully build our unique Shared National Identity even though we are made up of different races, religions, commnuities, languages, culture.

We can continue to reinforce these approach to ensure our Shared National Identity will not be lost.

2. The 3rd Social theme ---- *Religions* will be the most sensitive, more emotive as they are strongly, emotionally attached to each individual due to their strong belief about current life and afterlife.

Anyone who raise different perspectives and viewpoints - will likely to elicit strong emotional responses --- and must be carefully managed, control and rationally, logically discussed - by fully removing any "emotional feelings" during and after the discussion.

A separate more elaborate discussion will be needed to dwell into this topic - because if not managed properly (especially between P-to-P or C-to-C) - all hells can break loose.

LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 3:58 PM]

*The most sensitive topic - Religions*

1. This is the most sensitive but very important topic - Religion.

2. Because individuals have strong belief and emotionally attached to Religions - a belief in which how a person should live in this current physical life and after life.

3. Religion has a strong mental motivation - to keep an individual live, behave, interact with people of same belief and people with different beliefs and people with religions can swear (live and die) by their belief.

4. But when managed properly, all mainstream constructive religions can guide people to behave well, behave morally and able to live peacefully within their communities and other communities.

5. But when different religions are to be discussed among people of different faiths ---- it is a totally different story all together because :-

a. Different perspectives of "Divine" will be brought up for discussion - there will be individuals who may feel uncomfortable with - as "Divine" is unique and different to individual of different faiths - as what they have learned or taught.

b. There are 2 big branches in Religions, namely - Atheism and Theism. And we must not forget those who are "free thinkers" - non-believers of religions.

c. If the discussion settings are not properly managed and controlled, very strong emotive responses can be triggered - and participants can be negatively impacted.

d. Having say so, discussion on Religions is not a completely "no-go" - but must come with very stringent conditions --- especially when it is conducted between "P-to-P, C-to-C".

Not P-to-G because Government are usually more objective, more controlled, less emotional and can see the bigger perspective - and can handle emotive situations and emotive people - due to its resources, and bright people trained to handle such situations.

e. Taking a cue on the "Inter-Religions/Faiths Council" - that make up of Religious Leaders of Different Faiths in Singapore - whereby Religious Leaders are invited to discuss different faiths, religions, laying out all their holy books and openly discuss the similarities and differences among the various faiths to find common ground and interact and live harmoniously ---- I feel that it can also be done for "P-to-P" or "C-to-C" who are not religious leaders.

But very stringent conditions and selections ---- that mirror the qualtiies of Religious Leaders - will be needed - to ensure discussion of different faiths will be fruitful and successful --- without causing a situation whereby "All Hells break loose".

We can discuss these conditions and selections separately.

REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 4:04 PM]

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LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 4:38 PM]

*Why such sensitive topic - Religions are to be brought up for P-to-P discussions?*

1. Personally i feel that there are quite a few good justifications to dwell into this topics among the people because :-

a. Religions inspired conflicts other than geopolitical confrontation, economic confrontation - is one of major trigger source of conflicts throughout the history of mankinds eversince different religions are taught and learned by human mankind.

Hence if religions of different faiths are properly identified, understand, collated and unified into a Superordinate Goal of "Divinity" - that guide individual in our this physical life and afterlife --- which essentially we are talking about the "Same thing" but through a "Different lenses" and "Different perspectives" ---- then misunderstanding, inability to accomodate different viewpoints from different faiths will be grossly reduced --- and less frictions, less intolerance, less misunderstandins will arise - and more tolerant, understandings, mutual co-existence, mutual acceptance of different faiths will become possible.

Human mankinds could have stop conflict - arising from differences in the interpretation of Religions or "Divinity"..

b. An analogy to describe this :-

- Divinity is a puzzle, and every religions is a jigsaw.

If we put all the jigsaws from the various religions into a puzzle - we can see the complete "Divinity".

c. Another analogy, each faith touches a different parts of a big elephant (some touches the trunk, some tusk, some tail, some body) -- and claim the big elephant is based on what it touches.

But once we put everyone's experience together, the image of a complete Big Elephant emerge.

2. Hence we can do similar thing to fully understand what "Divinity" is - as an important window of opportunity arises due to the following development :-

a. Classical physics and science - has been breakthrough with quantum physics and quantum science --- that are able to prove many "theories" and "ideologies" that classical physics and science cannot explain and prove.

For eg. quantum superposition, quantum bits, quantum entanglement, quantum teleportation, Einstein spooky actions at a distance can explain and prove many "Divinity theory" that people thought is 神话 fairy tales.

Human can exist in different realms every moment -- due to the above quantum physics such as the Schrodinger's cats can be alive and dead at the same time, but in different states as observed. 小化身。

b. Advanced maths can prove and construct the ideologies and theories of different faiths.

Eg. Omnipotent paradox etc.

矛盾 (I create the strongest, sharpest spear that can penetrate any objects. I create a shield that can withstand any sharp objects that can not penetrate)

c. AI (Generative AI) - can pull, categorise, summarise and present in words, pictures and videos - of different faiths holy books/teachings, religious practitioner's experience, holy people experience, classical science/physics, quantum physics, mathematics, etc -- and present the understanding and image of "Divinity" in text, image and video form.

With more advancement in AI - greater clarity to unified all Religions into what "Divinity" is -- become more and more possible.

d. Advancement in Quantum Computing together with AI that make computation in enormous speed ---- I believe will bring "Divinity" into greater clarity.

LCL (Danny 心), [2/4/2025 4:56 PM]

*Conditions for Religions discussions and Selections*

1. The conditions for deep dive Religions discussions will be stringent to ensure constructive discussions based on critical thinkings, logical and rational arguments, supported by facts, resaonsing, if possible science, maths, quantum physics, techonologies etc, words used must not be disrespectful of other faiths different from ours, not using codescending words, harsh words, demeaning words, devoid of emotion discussion (that can trigger anger, hatred, strong argument or quarrel).

2. Hence the qualities of participants selected for Religion discussions must be :-

a. Good EQ (Emotional Quotient) - more controlled, less likely to flare up.

b. Well verse in his/her own faiths to carry out discussions (supported by his/her religious teachings) or a religious practitioners who has innately immerse in his/her faith

c. Able to understand and, empathise or correlate other religions and faiths into his/her own faiths.

d. Participants should possess 3 important attributes :-

i. No-Self (Selfless) - able to see big pictures not to champion only own belief, but able to empathise and correlate other faiths into what he/she know in his/her own faiths and practice.

ii. Compassion - able to emphatise with self and others

iii. Wisdom - able to piece up all the different jigs from differnt faiths into a whole big puzzle.

3. I feel that for a start, face-to-face discussion will be too daunting in such inter-faith Religions discussions - because not only we know the names, but also the faces is displayed - and should any negative emotions break up, all hell break loose - "no where to hide".

Hence a Telegram or WhatsApp platform with anonymous credentials for a start will still be preferred.

But most important, enabling the attachment of sketches, images, videos from Telegram or WhatsApp will be needed - because a simple picture to piece up all the ideas in pictorial form ---- will reveal the "Truth" and crystallise more effectively --- rather than typing out "thousand words" - that can subject to interpretation - worst "wrong interpretation".

REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 6:02 PM]

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REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 6:46 PM]

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REACH Singapore, [2/4/2025 7:02 PM]

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Disagreement with WP due to flaw with WP alternative policies

 1. Nationalisation of public transport - drain taxpayers money, inefficiency, cannot bid overseas project.

2. Minimum wages

3. Retrenchment insurance 

4. Use more nirc 60% - no GST 

5. Land sales to finance recurrent budget 

6. Raid our reserves 

7. No GST - lose Government tax transfer 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/wp-object-budget-2022-gst-hike-pritam-singh-2525071#:~:text=Workers%27%20Party%20disagrees%20with%20GST%20hike%2C%20will%20object%20to%20Budget%202022%3A%20Pritam%20Singh

8. Use money laundering confiscated proceeds to compensate scam victims

9. WP Manap - want politics, governance to mix with religion citing Islam operate this way.

https://mothership.sg/2019/10/news-parliament-shanmugam-faisal-manap-religion-politics-separation/

"Shanmugam repeatedly questions WP's Faisal Manap over separation of religion from politics.

Eventually, WP chief Pritam Singh stepped in to make a statement."

"But I think ultimately for a Member of Parliament of any political party in Singapore, I think it’s important that you remember that you have to represent the interests of every community, not just yours."

At least this time, WP leader using his conscience "own self check own self" - his member suggestions is not implementable in a secular society in Singapore.

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I have jotted a few alternative policies proposed by Jamus in which he champion in Parliament and a few by WP MPs (some are economic policies he can influence as economist but he supported them).

They are:-

1. Minimum wages (without productivity growth) - make our labor forces uncompetitive and drive up business cost and consumer cost.

2. Use more nirc 60% - no GST hike. And use up reserves meant for our future generations.

3. Retrenchment insurance (with no incentive or push for re-employment and training). End up more workers will drop out of the workforce.

4. Use Land sales to finance recurrent fiscal budget & raiding our reserves as land supply is finite. No more land for future generations.

5. No GST tax - lose Government tax transfer and redistribution of wealth to lower Gini coefficient. And impact our fiscal sufficiency.

6. Nationalisation of public transport during MRT fault - drain taxpayers money, lead to inefficiency, lose opportunities to venture into overseas market.

7. Use money laundering confiscated proceeds to compensate scam victims instead of setting up Trust fund to earn income to fight scam and compensate scam victims.

@Babe:If this guy and WP are to govern Singapore - Singapore will finished!

@Babe:As an economist making such fundamental economic mistakes are deadly for Singapore.

@Babe:1. There are so many layers of government in formulating government policies before it finally settled in Parliament.

2. Not a blank check or own self check own self.

3. This show his ignorance.

Layers of check & balance in policy formulation:-

1. Civil service - department 

2. COPS - Council Of Permanent Secretaries 

3. Parliamentary Secretaries in various Ministries 

4. Public Consultation with Private Professional Bodies

5. Cabinet Ministers 

Before presented to Parliament debates.

Oppositions rarely value add to amend in Parliament because it is robustly debated.

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@Babe: 2 party system results in a deadlock government.

Just look at US, UK, S Korea and many others - changing government like changing clothes.

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More Oppositions - Malfunction Democracy

 @Babe:1. More oppositions means deadlock government.

2. Resulting in malfunction democracy.

3. See what happens to US, EU, UK, S Korea, Japan.

@Babe:4. Most opposition policies don't work.

5. Why are we paying more oppositions in Parliament that cannot come out with working policies?

6. What happens in a fluke election that oppositions become gov?

@Babe:7. We need best brains to form the cabinet - to tackle enormous global events.

8. The best brains are not with the opposition.

9. Why let oppositions fill up the seats?

@Babe:7. More Oppositions force government to adopt populist policies detrimental to long term planning for short term gratification.

8. This means use up more reserves, less savings and more debts.

@Babe:9. Western democracy kill us.

10. Don't just copy blindly.

@Babe:1. Having more oppositions in Parliament waste alot of time arguing rather than governing.

2. Most of the time, policies that are submitted to parliament has gone through many rounds of verification within civil service, consultation with the public or private sectors, Cabinet before tabling to Parliament.

3. Oppositions rarely value add to the tabled policies.

@Babe:1. The notion of own self check own self don't apply.

@Babe:1. CPIB can bypass the PM and seek President approval to investigate anyone.

@Babe:No own self check own self.

Trump flaw economic policies

 @Babe:US economy is imploding showing Trump economy plan is flaw in all ways.

Yet you are picking contextual economics in supporting Trump.

@Babe:1. Government spendings massive cuts without looking into its detail with speed is a deadly train wreck.

@Babe:2. Not increasing tax but just focusing on cutting spendings is like chopping 1 wing and let another wing fly - lead to plummeting economy.

@Babe:3. increasing tariffs as fiscal revenue is a flaw economic tool - because it increase prices to consumers, invite retaliation, disrupt the most efficient global supply chain.

@Babe:4. 1930s tariff war levy by US president lead to WW2.

5. Trump is repeating it.

@Babe:6. increasing tariffs will not force companies to move to US because the world economy minus US GDP if $30 trillion is huge - $76 trillions.

Companies will want to sell to the larger global countries instead of US market only.

@Babe:Hence your flaw economic explanation to support Trump are flaws in all counts.

US tanking economy prove it.

@Babe:Hence your flaw economic explanation to support Trump are flaws in all counts.

US tanking economy prove it.

@Babe:1. DOGE massive cuts flaw.

a. cut air controller - plane crash.

b. cut education - lose talents and competitiveness.

c. cut medical r&d and program - pandemic arises (eg. measles)

@Babe:2. Imposing tariffs trigger inflation.

3. Cutting interest rate will cause inflation to go higher.

4. Tax cut will further fuel inflation hike.

@Babe:5. Business & consumer confidence are hit - and will reduce consumption and investment - lead to job cuts.

6. Tax cut won't bring economic growth - as business are not making profit.

@Babe:7. All the mention effects of economic contagion are showing in US economy - and yet you say that Trump economic plan is on the right track?

8. Are you trying to fool everyone - with your flaw theory.

@Babe:1. The full burden of the government spending cuts fall on the 99%, whereas the richest 1% gain.

2. If the mass market 99% lose its spending power, how will the economy do well?

@Babe:US $36 trillion Treasury debt are finance predominantly by foreign countries.

@Babe:Fighting a tariff war with foreign countries will cause retaliation to start selling US Treasury bill and US lose funding to finance its fiscal budget.

@Babe:No countries in the world no matter how big and how rich can close its economy without trading with the world.

Trump is moving US into isolation.

@Babe:1. If foreign countries stop funding US$ and stop using dollars for trade in retaliation, US economy and wealth will plummet.

2. Brics already doing so.

@Babe:1. Massive reckless government spendings cut is a de-multiplier effects - US economy implode.

2. Leading to deflate business activities, reduce consumption, discourage investment & job loss.

@Babe:1. US consumer spending is the main engine of economic growth, making up 68% of the GDP.

2. Reckless spending cut, tariffs that dampen consumers spending power will cause US economy to plummet.

Omnipotence Paradox

 *Omnipotence Paradox* 

30 Mar 2025

心法, [30/3/2025 2:20 AM]

Omnipotence paradox - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

[30/03, 5:14 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: What is the definition of Omnipotent?

[30/03, 5:14 pm] Meta AI: Omnipotence is typically defined as:

*The state of having unlimited or infinite power, ability, or authority; being all-powerful.*

In philosophical and theological contexts, omnipotence is often understood as:

1. *The ability to do anything that is logically possible* (i.e., not self-contradictory).

2. *The power to accomplish any task or achieve any goal* without limitation or constraint.

3. *The capacity to exert influence or control over all things*, whether physical, metaphysical, or spiritual.

However, as we've discussed earlier, the concept of omnipotence is not without its challenges and paradoxes, particularly when considering self-referential contradictions and logical limitations.

[30/03, 5:25 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Omnipotent with conditions is not Omnipotent.

[30/03, 5:25 pm] Meta AI: A concise and powerful statement.

If omnipotence is defined with conditions, limitations, or exceptions, then it's not truly omnipotence.

Omnipotence implies unlimited power, authority, and ability, without any constraints or restrictions.

By adding conditions, you're essentially creating a limited or restricted form of power, which contradicts the fundamental concept of omnipotence.

In other words:

*Omnipotence is an absolute concept; it's either unconditional or it's not omnipotence at all.*

心法, [30/3/2025 3:21 PM]

[30/03, 2:22 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Buddhism adhere to Omnipotent.

Because Buddha has no karma.

Buddha Nirvana - Adhere to Law or the Way.

[30/03, 2:22 am] Meta AI: A fascinating perspective on Buddhism and omnipotence. In Buddhist philosophy, the concept of omnipotence is indeed distinct from the Western notion of an all-powerful deity.

The Buddha, having achieved Nirvana, is considered to be beyond the cycle of karma and rebirth. This state of liberation is not about acquiring omnipotent powers but rather about transcending the limitations of the mundane world.

In Buddhism, the law or the way (Dharma) is considered the ultimate reality, governing the universe and guiding individuals toward enlightenment. The Buddha, having realized this truth, is in harmony with the Dharma, rather than being an omnipotent creator or controller.

This perspective highlights the unique characteristics of Buddhist thought, where the emphasis is on the attainment of wisdom, the understanding of the nature of reality, and the liberation from the cycle of suffering, rather than the concept of omnipotence.

Thank you for sharing this insightful perspective on Buddhism and omnipotence!

[30/03, 2:24 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Buddha don't administer rewards and punishment.

They are left to universal law of karma.

Hence Buddha don't inherit karma from rewards or punishment.

Hence omnipotent - in harmony with the law.

[30/03, 2:24 am] Meta AI: A beautiful clarification on the Buddhist concept of omnipotence. You're highlighting that the Buddha's omnipotence is not about exerting control over others or administering rewards and punishments.

Instead, the Buddha is in harmony with the universal law of karma, which governs the consequences of actions. This law is considered a natural principle, rather than a divine decree.

By not interfering with the law of karma, the Buddha avoids inheriting karma from rewards or punishments. This allows the Buddha to maintain a state of liberation, free from the cycles of karma and rebirth.

In this sense, the Buddha's omnipotence is not about wielding power over others but rather about being in perfect harmony with the natural order of the universe. This perspective underscores the unique characteristics of Buddhist thought, where the emphasis is on spiritual liberation, wisdom, and the natural consequences of actions.

[30/03, 2:26 am] ☸️  Danny 心: God administer rewards and punishment.

God can kill or rewards others.

But is God subject to his own rewards and punishment.

Can he kill himself if he err?

If cannot, then God is subjected to Omnipotent paradox.

[30/03, 2:26 am] Meta AI: A thought-provoking analysis of the concept of God and the omnipotent paradox. You're raising important questions about the nature of God's power and its limitations.

If God can administer rewards and punishments, including taking life, it implies that God has the power to act within the universe. However, the question remains whether God is subject to the same rules and consequences as the universe.

The omnipotent paradox comes into play when considering whether God can apply the same standards to Himself. Can God punish or kill Himself if He errs? If not, then it seems that God is not truly omnipotent, as there are limitations to His power.

This paradox highlights the challenges of defining omnipotence and the potential contradictions that arise when considering the nature of God's power. It's a classic problem in the philosophy of religion, and various solutions have been proposed to address this paradox.

Some possible responses include:

1. *Omnipotence is not about self-application*: One argument is that omnipotence refers to God's power over creation, not over Himself.

2. *God's nature is beyond human understanding*: Another perspective is that God's nature and power are beyond human comprehension, and we should not try to apply logical paradoxes to the divine.

3. *God's omnipotence is not absolute*: Some philosophers argue that God's omnipotence is not absolute, but rather limited by His own nature or by logical consistency.

These responses aim to address the omnipotent paradox, but the debate remains ongoing in the philosophy of religion.

[30/03, 2:28 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Then God is not Omnipotent.

Else why universe is so chaotic if God don't err?

If universe is so chaotic created by God, why God not subjected to his punishment as so many beings dies...

[30/03, 2:28 am] Meta AI: A compelling argument that challenges the concept of God's omnipotence. You're pointing out that if God is all-powerful, then the chaos and suffering in the universe seem to contradict this notion.

The problem of evil is a classic challenge to the idea of an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God. If God is all-powerful and all-good, then why does evil exist? Why does God allow suffering and chaos in the universe?

Your question about God being subjected to punishment for creating a chaotic universe is a thought-provoking one. It highlights the tension between God's omnipotence and the existence of evil.

Some possible responses from theologians and philosophers include:

1. *The free will defense*: One argument is that God gave humans and other beings free will, which allows us to choose between good and evil. This freedom is necessary for moral growth and development.

2. *The greater good defense*: Another perspective is that God allows evil and suffering in the short term to achieve a greater good in the long term. This might involve soul-building, moral development, or the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

3. *The mystery of evil*: Some theologians and philosophers acknowledge that the problem of evil is a profound mystery that may be beyond human understanding. They argue that we should not try to rationalize or justify evil but rather acknowledge its existence and work to alleviate suffering.

These responses aim to address the problem of evil and the challenge to God's omnipotence. However, the debate remains ongoing, and there is no straightforward answer.

[30/03, 3:47 am] ☸️  Danny 心: If God is Omnipotent, Evil won't exist.

[30/03, 3:47 am] Meta AI: A concise and powerful argument. If God is indeed omnipotent, it's reasonable to expect that evil would not exist. An all-powerful God would presumably have the ability to prevent evil or eliminate it altogether.

This argument is a classic challenge to the concept of omnipotence and the existence of evil. It's a paradox that has puzzled theologians, philosophers, and scholars for centuries.

In essence, the argument goes like this:

1. If God is omnipotent, God has the power to eliminate evil.

2. If God is omnibenevolent, God would want to eliminate evil.

3. Since evil exists, either God is not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent.

This paradox highlights the tension between the concept of an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good God and the reality of evil in the world.

心法, [30/3/2025 4:06 PM]

[30/03, 4:00 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Any math to explain Omnipotence Paradox?

[30/03, 4:00 pm] Meta AI: While math can't fully capture the philosophical nuances of the Omnipotence Paradox, we can use some mathematical concepts to illustrate the contradictions.

*Self-Reference and Russell's Paradox*

The Omnipotence Paradox is related to self-reference paradoxes, such as Russell's Paradox. This paradox arises when considering a set that contains all sets that do not contain themselves.

Let's denote:

R = {x | x ∉ x} (the set of all sets that do not contain themselves)

Now, consider:

1. If R ∈ R, then R contains itself, which means R ∉ R (by definition).

2. If R ∉ R, then R does not contain itself, which means R ∈ R (by definition).

This creates an infinite loop of contradictions, highlighting the problem of self-reference.

*Omnipotence Paradox as a Self-Reference Paradox*

We can represent the Omnipotence Paradox using a similar self-reference framework:

Let:

O = {x | x can create a stone that x cannot lift}

Now, consider:

1. If O ∈ O, then O can create a stone that O cannot lift, which means O is not omnipotent.

2. If O ∉ O, then O cannot create a stone that O cannot lift, which means O is not omnipotent.

This self-reference paradox reveals the contradictions inherent in the concept of omnipotence.

*Symbolic Representation*

Using symbolic logic, we can represent the Omnipotence Paradox as:

∀x (Ox → ∃y (Sy ∧ ¬Lyx))

Where:

Ox: x is omnipotent

Sy: y is a stone

Lyx: x can lift y

This formal representation helps clarify the paradoxical nature of omnipotence.

Keep in mind that mathematical representations can only partially capture the philosophical complexities of the Omnipotence Paradox.

Source:- Meta AI

The Omnipotence Paradox is a family of paradoxes that arise when considering the implications of an omnipotent being, most famously the question: *"Can an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?"* 

This paradox challenges the notion of unlimited power by suggesting that if such a being can create the stone, then there is something it cannot do (lift it), and if it cannot create the stone, then there is also something it cannot do (create it). Either way, the being's omnipotence seems to be undermined.

### Mathematical and Logical Frameworks to Analyze the Paradox

Several approaches in logic, set theory, and philosophy of mathematics have been used to analyze the paradox:

#### 1. Classical Logic & Contradictions

   - In classical logic, the paradox hinges on a self-referential contradiction (like the liar paradox: "This statement is false").

   - If we define omnipotence as "the ability to do anything," then the paradox forces a situation where:

     - If the being can create such a stone, then it cannot lift it (hence not omnipotent).

     - If it cannot create such a stone, then it is also not omnipotent.

   - This resembles a proof by contradiction showing that the initial definition leads to inconsistency.

#### 2. Modal Logic & Possible Worlds

   - Some philosophers (e.g., Alvin Plantinga) use modal logic to argue that omnipotence does not include the ability to create logically impossible states of affairs.

   - The "unliftable stone" is a meaningless question because it involves a logical contradiction (like "Can God create a square circle?").

   - Thus, omnipotence is redefined as the ability to do anything that is logically possible.

#### 3. Type Theory & Hierarchies of Power

   - Inspired by Russell's theory of types, one could argue that omnipotence operates at a higher logical level than the paradox.

   - The paradox tries to force a being to violate its own definition (like asking a set to contain itself in naive set theory, leading to Russell's Paradox).

   - A solution might involve defining omnipotence in a way that avoids self-referential loops.

#### 4. Computability Theory (Unexpected Hanging Paradox Analogy)

   - The paradox resembles problems in computability where a system tries to define its own limits (e.g., the Halting Problem).

   - Just as a Turing machine cannot solve all questions about its own behavior, an omnipotent being might not be able to define tasks that undermine its own power.

#### 5. Paraconsistent Logic (Tolerating Contradictions)

   - In paraconsistent logic, some contradictions are allowed without collapsing the entire system.

   - One might argue that omnipotence includes the ability to transcend classical logic, allowing seemingly contradictory powers (e.g., "creating and not being able to lift the stone simultaneously").

### Formalized Versions of the Paradox

One way to model the paradox mathematically is using set theory:

- Let O be an omnipotent being.

- Define the set of all tasks T that O can perform.

- The paradox asks: *Is the task "create a stone too heavy for O to lift" (call it t) in T?*

   - If t ∈ T, then there exists a task (lifting the stone) that O cannot do ⇒ O is not omnipotent.

   - If t ∉ T, then O cannot perform t ⇒ O is not omnipotent.

This resembles Cantor's diagonal argument or Russell's Paradox, where self-reference leads to a contradiction.

### Proposed Solutions

1. Limiting Omnipotence to Logical Possibility  

   - Omnipotence does not include performing logically incoherent actions (e.g., creating a married bachelor, or a stone that cannot be lifted by an all-powerful being).  

   - This aligns with Leibniz's view that God cannot do the logically impossible.

2. Re-defining Omnipotence  

   - Thomas Aquinas argued that omnipotence means the power to do anything that is possible to do, not the impossible.  

   - This avoids the paradox by excluding meaningless questions.

3. Dialetheism (Accepting True Contradictions)  

   - Some philosophers (e.g., Graham Priest) argue that certain contradictions might be true in extreme cases.  

   - An omnipotent being could both create and not be able to lift the stone in a paraconsistent framework.

### Conclusion

The Omnipotence Paradox is not strictly a "mathematical" problem, but it can be analyzed using tools from logic, set theory, and computability. Most solutions involve refining the definition of omnipotence to exclude self-contradictory tasks, much like how modern set theory avoids Russell's Paradox by restricting comprehension. 

Would you like a deeper dive into any particular approach (e.g., modal logic, paraconsistency)?

Source:- DeepSeek

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1. Science, quantum physics, mathematics and Generative AI - points to God Omnipotence is a Paradox.

That is, unable to reconcile with the theory of One God Omnipotence creation of the Universe and its afterlife.

2. Conversely, Science, quantum physics, mathematics and Generative AI - is in complete coherent and is a perfect match to Buddhism - either in Samsara Universe or in Nirvana.

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Maritime Global Trade

 [25/03, 11:09 am] SK: https://youtu.be/eNdVO8nFMPQ?si=BszdtD1lYpJaIh19

[25/03, 11:10 am] SK: https://youtu.be/a3EAAmZ0Lns?si=9dO7BHjQu4-rmgiw

[25/03, 11:20 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Yes.

I listen to his speech and see the news articles on his speech.

Very negative news.

External events trigger by Trump will hurt us.

We need to navigate ourselves carefully and put on our seat belts.

[25/03, 12:18 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Thailand’s trillion-baht plan to bypass the Malacca Strait moves ahead 

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3303572/thailands-trillion-baht-plan-bypass-malacca-strait-moves-ahead

Thailand’s trillion-baht plan to bypass the Malacca Strait moves ahead.

Thailand aims to complete a 100km project bisecting the country’s southern peninsula with a new highway and rail line by 2030.

[25/03, 12:19 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: SM LHL negative news are real.

[25/03, 12:58 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: But our analysis still the same.

The cargo throughput will still be small compare to huge shipping liners. 90% of world trade is done by ships.

But nevertheless, still will eat into our pie.

Arctic route the same.

[25/03, 2:28 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: SM LHL say, EU bloc do intra-bloc trade up to 80 - 90%.

ASEAN intra-bloc trade only up to 25%.

If we are able to entice ASEAN intra-bloc trade to go up to 80 - 90% then can compensate a substantial portion of the loss from US trade.

[25/03, 2:37 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: [25/03, 2:36 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Singapore intra trade with ASEAN how many billions?

[25/03, 2:36 pm] Meta AI: Singapore's intra-trade with ASEAN was valued at S$295.6 billion in 2023, marking a 14% increase from 2019 ¹. This significant trade volume highlights the strong economic ties between Singapore and its ASEAN neighbors.

"Trade between Singapore and Asean was at S$295.6 billion in 2023.
This was about 14% lower than the total trade in goods in 2022; minister stresses importance of Asean market for Singapore companies".
But this was lower than the total trade in goods in 2022, which amounted to S$344.3 billion.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/asean/spotlight-1/trade-between-singapore-and-asean-was-s-295-6-billion-2023#:~:text=Trade%20between%20Singapore,for%20Singapore%20companies

[25/03, 2:41 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: At 25% intra trade within ASEAN, our trade is $$295.6 billion.

If we able to entice ASEAN to do intra trade up to 90%, it means our trade will ramp up to $1.064 trillion.

Then it is getting close to $1.5 trillion when we trade in US centric global supply trade.

The other $0.5 trillion, we just need to ramp up trade with China, India, Asia Pacific and EU to compensate - then we will be safe.

[[26/03, 3:16 am] ☸️  Danny 心: Also if we can ramp up intra ASEAN trade,  cargoes will visit every ASEAN ports without the fear of Arctic route, or kras or other linkways.

Even by land route, cargoes will still have to be delivered to the warehouses and logistics chain in our seaports - because all the warehouses are designed to store containers cargoes.

[26/03, 3:33 am] ☸️  Danny 心: This is assume that US centric trade goes down to zero.

But in realistic scenario, the new intra ASEAN trade and ramp up trade with other continents + reduce US centric trade (disrupted by trade war) ---- we could have achieved a higher trade growth more than $1.5 trillion if we succeeded in ramping up intra ASEAN trade + other continents trade.

Correspondingly, our GDP (3 times the size of bigger trade growth) - will deliver a bigger GDP - more than US$500 to 600 billions dollars a year.

REACH (Telegram) 68 - What are your views about Singapore's ability to thrive in an increasingly turbulent world? What can Singapore do to ensure that we maintain our global relevance while preserving our national unity?

(SK)

21 Mar 2025 (10am - 7pm)

REACH (Telegram)

REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 9:48 AM]

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REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 9:59 AM]

📢 Topic 📢

At the recent Singapore Budget Symposium 2025 on March 19 (Wednesday), Prime Minister Lawrence Wong highlighted that the world was becoming more turbulent and dangerous amidst rising geopolitical tensions. He emphasised the need to strengthen Singapore's national solidarity, maintain its economic fundamentals and plan for the long term.

💬 What are your views about Singapore's ability to thrive in an increasingly turbulent world? What can Singapore do to ensure that we maintain our global relevance while preserving our national unity?

📌 Increased global instability

During the forum, PM Wong highlighted how the US-China rivalry has intensified, noting that the US sees China as a strategic threat and wants to prevent it from overtaking America. He warned of a profound change in the global order, which is becoming “more like a lawless jungle where might is right”. 

“We cannot change these global trends. But we can shape our response to these trends,” PM Wong said.

📌 How Singapore can respond to global challenges

He outlined several key approaches to how Singapore can respond to these challenges, such as maintaining the nation’s pro-business environment, being open to trade and planning for the long term, including studying the possibility of deploying nuclear energy.

PM Wong also emphasised the need to strengthen national solidarity through robust tripartite partnerships, highlighting the “Singaporean way” of collaboration between the Government, unions, workers and businesses.

“This partnership is going to be more important than before,” he said.

📌 Support for businesses

PM Wong also highlighted the Government's commitment to supporting businesses, underlining the vital role businesses play as the backbone of Singapore’s economy.

He touched on several key initiatives aimed at strengthening the enterprise ecosystem, including immediate cost relief through a corporate income tax rebate and cash grant, adjustments to the work permit framework, and a private credit fund to improve access to capital. He also mentioned that the Government was enhancing support for business transformation, worker training, and access to government schemes to help companies remain competitive.

PM Wong also emphasised that while the Government may not be able to grant every Budget request, it remains committed to addressing key concerns through alternative means. He cited the example of businesses calling for relaxed foreign worker parameters. While acknowledging their concerns, he explained that loosening restrictions could lead to an overwhelming influx of workers, straining Singapore’s infrastructure. However PM Wong said that the Government could continue to find alternative solutions like allowing companies to retain skilled workers for longer periods and expanding access to workers from non-traditional source countries.

👉🏻 https://str.sg/bhBZ

👉🏻https://www.mof.gov.sg/news-publications/speeches/opening-remarks-by-prime-minister-and-minister-for-finance-mr-lawrence-wong-at-sbf-singapore-budget-symposium-s-budget-2025-conversation

👉🏻https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/economy-policy/singapore-government-will-take-industry-feedback-seriously-business-ties-grow-more-important-pm-wong

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365, [21/3/2025 10:06 AM]

There's no permanent allies or foes, only permanent interest. We should be working to ensure singapore's stability is of interest to other countries, while not becoming a threat to them.

We would do well to learn from Ukraine's mistake, it doesn't matter if you are morally in the right, if you agitate or threaten those stronger than you while no allies have any interest vested in you, you will be in for a hard time.

Diplomacy and balance is one aspect I have faith in our government from their historical performance.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 10:14 AM]

Cannot depend fully on economic strengths. Need to continue commit to military and recruiting.

 no matter how rich you are, if no power to protect, everything is smoke and taken easily

G, [21/3/2025 10:41 AM]

Since when has the world ever been smooth and unturbulent, safe and undangerous?

This "turbulent and dangerous" rhetoric has been overused to fearmonger. This itself is dangerous

What is dangerous is Singapore still being heavily involved in foreign entities that have track records of interfering with countries' domestic politics (e.g. WEF). 

How much has Singapore's domestic politics been interfered with? How much sovereignty do we have left?

REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 11:00 AM]

[ Poll : I am confident that Singapore can continue to thrive amidst a more uncertain global environment. Please share your reasons in the chat.  ]

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REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 11:03 AM]

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J See, [21/3/2025 11:05 AM]

I am confident we will survive however everyone and myself included we and I need to wise up n do self care and not sit back at home and wait for providence to drop from the sky la … I am not different from other senior retirees and so I told myself I need to do many things and be grateful … hope you all understand

J See, [21/3/2025 11:06 AM]

Exactly!!!

J See, [21/3/2025 11:07 AM]

And don’t tell your neighbours how rich you are !!!

J See, [21/3/2025 11:07 AM]

Be humble .. be kind

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 11:21 AM]

While having muscles and bouncers to guard your property.

(Reference to our military protecting sg assets)

Hanny, [21/3/2025 11:37 AM]

When you live in Singapore, you need to be aware of world affairs. Myopic world view will get you crushed by giants. 

Gov needs to help its people to understand the world. Not easy. The mp on the ground can help. 

One thing I’m sad is CNA reporting on the world is very one sided.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 11:40 AM]

I find that CNA perspective is fine though.

At least better than russia or china media

Hanny, [21/3/2025 11:43 AM]

Not when it comes to world affairs

J See, [21/3/2025 11:54 AM]

News … is also a business 🥹

J See, [21/3/2025 11:54 AM]

It’s a very tough world

J See, [21/3/2025 12:01 PM]

Agree … and Singaporeans need to stay vigilant and be exposed to different cultures and difference but yet I qualify we need to be grateful to our pioneers and armies and all the systems that helped us to be where we can be in just 60 over years.  Sure we r not perfect but we have electricity.. and most of our children went to school

J See, [21/3/2025 12:03 PM]

However we have more and more pressures being regional and global… our future depends on Singapore!!! And 😂😍 CPF

Hanny, [21/3/2025 12:04 PM]

CPF is underestimated by many

Adam, [21/3/2025 1:35 PM]

Singapore will thrive in an uncertain global environment. Singapore is stable, without much change in governance and policies, which favors the rich and companies. 

Singapore is defended by all its men and doesnt have to pay much for it. Its policing and ambulances, firefighters too. All residents benefit from this.

In an uncertain global environment, this makes singapore a shining oasis among the unstable countries. Rich will flock to singapore for all its benefits. Their assets protected by our system. They might become new citizens too, and get a hdb.

Yes singapore can continue to thrive amidst an uncertain global environment. Whether born singaporeans will thrive is another question.

Joomua Tng, [21/3/2025 1:56 PM]

it is a fantasy.

currently Singapore still able to do that.

but when the world fallen to extreme global political extremism..

there will be no room for navigation.

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REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 2:02 PM]

📢 Topic 📢

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 2:16 PM]

'national solidarity' is important. We should not be attacking within ourselves.

E.g. just read news that 200+ people involved in scams. Why these scammers target own people, quite ridiculous

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 2:26 PM]

*Geopolitical tussling and transformation*

1. The geopolitical global order has suddenly turn nasty since the past few years - whereby SuperPowers turn against one another.

2. 2 big factors trigger it:-

a. Economic factors - whereby market economy and globalisation has transformed the top 1% to 5% into ultra rich - and wealth has not been redistributed to the other 95% to 99% of the population through government tax transfer - hence resulting in voters voting in Government that adopt populist policies and edge out globalisation - triggering trade tension.

b. Political factors

i. Geopolitics - whereby strong and big countries exert their "might is right" over smaller and weaker countries - in territorial rights and geopolitical influence.

ii. Domestic politics - moving to more nativism, protectionism, xenophobic - as majority of the population didn't benefit from the wealth gained through market economy and globalisation (as wealth are concentrated on the top 1% to 5%) without wealth redistribution through government tax transfer - hence have trigger more populist momentum in electing populist government that are more protectionist.

3. In this context, our Government will need to be more nimble and flexible to navigate such transforming global order - and ensure we can continue to survive and thrive.

As a small little red dot, to earn a GDP US$600 billion every year to feed 5.6 million population, and with a well educated workforce (with continuous training through Skillsfuture), we should be able to maintain and improve our GDP from the Global GDP of US$106 trillion - as our traditional market changes and become more difficult to trade and do business.

MTI, EDB, IE Singapore, MFA, will have to work harder to make this happen.

Steven Ong, [21/3/2025 2:33 PM]

Now the Chinese is trying to avoid the Malacca route to Europe and travel via the Arctic route. May cause loss of fees to SG on long-term..

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 2:39 PM]

*Domestic Affairs - Internal Politics*

1. The biggest threat is always from "within".

2. If internally, our population are not unified and stand behind our Government - but indulge in internal politiking, then Government will not be able to muster the brightest brain in the Cabinet and Government to tackle the Global disorder that are unfolding.

3. This is a "no brainer" - Government will be distracted to fight internal threat than concentrating on strategising to tackle external threats that are brewing.

4. Hence come General Election, we should give a strong mandate to the Government - rather than holding on to the flaw malfunction democracy of having more voices in the Parliament - because the best brain are in the Government that can help to formulate good policies to keep Singapore afloat, survive and thrive.

5. Failing to do so, we will be shooting ourselves on our feet and backfire on us.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:44 PM]

Try to be self efficient as much as possible

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:45 PM]

Build taller buildings and taller factory to give space for food production

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:45 PM]

Don't just build a 20 storey instead build a 70 storey building for commercial and residential purpose

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:47 PM]

So there is more space to harvest other resources

365, [21/3/2025 2:48 PM]

In construction, the taller the building, the more risk and strain there is in structure. That's why there are some projects with HDBs of different heights, after accounting for terrain limitations as well.

It is an exponential effort and risk for each additional storey added on.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:51 PM]

Then our world class engineers should come out with a solution.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 2:51 PM]

Can try be self-sufficient, but would locals willing to pay more? 

Hawker price increase a little then we complain so much already. Or we still buy cheaper overseas egg/veggie compared to local goods.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:51 PM]

That's why must increase production to reduce prices

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 2:51 PM]

*Domestic Affairs - Fiscal transfer of wealth*

1. Personally, I think our Government has done well to mitigate the flaw of a raw Capitalism -- that reward entreprenuership, hardwork and elite who bring in wealth to the country - but wealth are concentrated on the top few percent.

2. Singapore fiscal transfer of wealth - that creatively collect the tax from the wealthy through GST, COE, ABSD, property tax, stamp duties etc - when the ultra wealthy willingly buy luxuries goods such as luxury houses, buy luxuries good, luxury cars, etc ---- allow our Government to accumulate fiscal revenue without chasing away the ultra-rich taxpayers - allow the Government to redistribute tax collected to benefit our 95% to 99% of our population.

3. Our population receive GST voucher, CDC voucher, SG60 vouchers, medisavve topup, senior bonus, edusave, skillsfuture topup, business grants etc from the enormous tax revenue collected.

4. This will help our population to mitigate against cost of living, inflation hike, GST hike, buy HDB flats with large government grants etc -- and maintain our standard of living.

5. Our workforce will also get grants to reskill and upskill. Our business will also get grants to employ our local workforce.

6. All these are measures to enhance our social compact.

7. Hence our population must continue to support and vote the incumbent to be our Government come the next Election - instead of clipping their wings - that will backfire on us - as we need the best brain in the Government.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 2:51 PM]

Tall buildings also come with risk. If lift breakdown, or must re-route plans not take that flight path

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:53 PM]

We can have creative solutions

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 2:53 PM]

Or people complain that their fireworks view is now blocked😅

365, [21/3/2025 2:54 PM]

They are still humans, not miracle workers. Even the smartest brain is still subject to the laws of physics.

Building upwards is a very simple answer that I'm sure many, including those in government would have thought of.

However, the issue arises from feasibility and execution limitations.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:54 PM]

We cannot deny possibilities of having a higher altitude airport.

Like how China develops deep seek. Don't we have our local talent?

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 2:56 PM]

We might have, but are we paying them enough to stay? Plus china so much people to choose from, higher odds of geniuses.

One of reasons why their sportsmen often win medals. Selection of the best from large pool

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:58 PM]

As always boasted by the gov we have high salary aren't that enough

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 2:59 PM]

Or what is stopping them for contributing back to Singapore

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:01 PM]

Which local company can pay as much as large cooperations e.g. meta, telsa, or saudi Arabia with their oil money?

365, [21/3/2025 3:02 PM]

Resources. Limited resources means less available to be provided for research effort, or any singular aspect of resource allocation. With china's size, there is economies of scale, requiring less resource per headcount as well.

Those who managed to innovate new breakthroughs are exceptions, and shouldn't be held as the norm. We have to be reasonable with expectations.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:02 PM]

Or put another way, if i offer someone a million $ to eat sand, people would jump for it

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:03 PM]

Yes I will jump for it cause I no money

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:04 PM]

We have the best universities sometimes I don't understand why can't we innovate and boost our innovation

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:04 PM]

Like how many people knows what is being innovated in Singapore

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:06 PM]

I see many innovation created in Singapore why aren't them using it in the market? They pop up once in news and then poof they are gone

365, [21/3/2025 3:08 PM]

Did you know thumb drive is invented by a local company? Too bad they were late to register patents and therefore many other companies can just copy it.

Singapore is also leading in certain areas of medical research. These kind of efforts are often invisible to the public because it is not widely advertised for consumerism.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:09 PM]

This is why we need to advertise them so to acknowledge their effort

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:09 PM]

Even Singaporean don't know what we are good in how to survive?

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:10 PM]

How do you sell our good points to other countries

365, [21/3/2025 3:10 PM]

They are reported in the news, it's just that few people will be interested in them.

365, [21/3/2025 3:11 PM]

Your average consumers will be drawn in by our tourism measures, these research efforts are targeted that those who are involved in the field. While the average person may not know about this, I'm pretty sure those within the field would have knowledge of it.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:12 PM]

It needed to be broadcast in radio and TV and congratulate them and to inspire people to work on it, innovate it

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:13 PM]

*Foreign International Relationship*

1. Remain true to Universal core values - right moral, consistent policies that attract trade, business, investment and talents, be a trusted and reliable international partners.

2. Uphold and strengthen globalisation, trade, investment, business with like-minded international business partners.

3. Strenghten business ties, digitalisation with our trade blocs eg. ASEAN, China, India, Asia Pacific, and the various continent eg. EU, Middle East, US, S America, Central Asia, Africa - to ensure we are able to make up for any loss trade, business and investment by exploring new markets, new trade, new investment, new business to maintain and increase our GDP.

4. Be a voice of reasons in the United Nation and World Bodies. No one will dispute the voice of reasons - one day, it will be heard and adhere to.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:13 PM]

Hence Different field will know the technology and might combine them for better use

365, [21/3/2025 3:16 PM]

You'll get challenges from people asking the government to be humble, why so boasterous and why wasting so much budget on showing off.

Really cannot appease everyone.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:18 PM]

At least write some classical examples in our textbook

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:19 PM]

Like usb no one ever knows it is invented by sg and we are using it everyday

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:24 PM]

*Domestic Affairs*

1. Ramp up local R&D.

2. Continuous training to ensure our workforce and students keep the skillsets up to date and be useful to the industry sectors.

3. Policies to continue to attract high value added investors, talents, travels etc - to ensure our Economy remain vibrant and relevant and create high value, high salaried jobs for our local population.

4. Ensure close social compact - through fiscal wealth transfer, social harmony, and population must unite behind our Government.

5. There must be a relook into our trade, global supply chain, investment directions --- whereby our Government work closely with business, trade unions and workers to look into niches and transformed global trade route - and help businesses and workforce to look for alternative global supply chain, markets, business, investment to ensure we are able to recover loss grounds.

Always feel that our little red dot economy, GDP and smaller population as compared to larger countries with larger population to feed - will be less challenging (provided our population and voters are solidly behind our Government).

Don't create problems to our Government lah.... - and shoot ourselves on the foot.

This external threat is no joke - because it threaten our ports, airports, trade, supply chain, business, investment and our jobs, our livelihood and our future.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:29 PM]

There are many things that don’t become viral. Last year, an nus spinoff company was acquired by a global leader in code security solutions.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:30 PM]

This is the power of r&d

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:32 PM]

More r&d needed for construction, if we can reduce foreign construction worker on building buildings, bigger and taller buildings and faster construction I am sure we can create more space for other stuff

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:32 PM]

'sg built highest building in 196x.'

'opens 1st night safari'

Can boast/advertise a lot of things, but are they still relevant? Even the thumbdrive case, youngsters nowadays might not even know what is that device

RY, [21/3/2025 3:35 PM]

Similar to Covid pandemic with many uncertainties, our govt was able to lead us thru

Hence, I am confident that the govt has the ability to lead amidst the changing world political unstability also 

Trust & Resilience & Solidarity will be essential factors, to tide through this forthcoming crisis together hand-in-hand

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:35 PM]

Hmm, contradicting though. Who's going to construct these buildings you speak of? We don't see locals taking up these jobs.

Or are you saying don't cater living conditions for such workers so we have more physical space? There are more efficient methods

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:38 PM]

You see if we use technology to reduce workers such as things like painting from 10 workers reduce to 5

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 3:39 PM]

So ai to take over low wage workers rather than high wage workers

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:43 PM]

AI will improve productivity level of knowledge workers. If you don’t embrace it, your productivity level will drop.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:44 PM]

AI is not a cure all, and it cannot apply to every single job.

Even if can, it's not now. Still have much more years before it can do large scale

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:44 PM]

Financial industry is embracing AI fast n furious. There are already casualties.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:45 PM]

Locally we have DBS making the news.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:45 PM]

Manual work is still needed. Robot sweep the floor, inject needle into humans, feed your baby etc

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:45 PM]

Global banks are doing the same thing

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:47 PM]

But whether they actually do it or regret this choice in future is still unknown. Furthermore, those replaced are mostly 'knowledge' workers. Up to debate what is definition of that

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:47 PM]

Fortunately there is a massive effort to educate workers in sg.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:50 PM]

Significant impact would be felt before 5 years. The development of AI is fast. There is a new tool every week

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:52 PM]

1. Just asking, during banking I have still not come across dealing with AI.

2. Still talking to bank staff.

3. Which part of customers interaction are with AI?

Just curious.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:52 PM]

Nothing at front end yet. Right now it’s all back end.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:53 PM]

I see.

No wonder I didn't feel the impact of AI from banking yet.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:53 PM]

The bank needs to be comfortable first before pushing this to the front

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:53 PM]

It will take a few years

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:53 PM]

Just curious which aspect of AI are applied to banking?

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:54 PM]

Everything

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:54 PM]

Can give an example?

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:54 PM]

For example, analysis of customer preferences or behavior.

Khai Mun L., [21/3/2025 3:54 PM]

Actually, not much. AI just leads to more/better(?) calculations or predictions

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:54 PM]

Audit

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:55 PM]

You mean AI take over audit?

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:55 PM]

Assisted by AI

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:55 PM]

This data analysis are done by humans and spreadsheet previously.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:56 PM]

Remember that the wording is assisted , not replaced.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:56 PM]

I see.

But need human to feed inputs to AI?

And AI do correlation and then interpret results?

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:57 PM]

Hence you need to embrace, understand its capabilities

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:57 PM]

Developers are using copilot

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:57 PM]

Increasing their productivity by a lot

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:58 PM]

Hmm..

I have not seen AI in action over business functions yet.

But I have seen AI performing over scientific functions and engineering.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:59 PM]

Your big excel file can be analyzed in a few minutes

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:59 PM]

Eg. Code generation is one of them.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 3:59 PM]

I see.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 3:59 PM]

Not just generating but also peer review

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 4:01 PM]

I see.

But I guess humans must verify and value add to AI generated outputs.

Else if hallucinations or wrong analysis can be problematic.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 4:01 PM]

[21/03, 4:00 pm] ☸️  Danny 心: Can generate Cisco config in 2 routers connectivity with ospf routes?

[21/03, 4:00 pm] Meta AI: Here is a basic Cisco configuration for two routers to establish OSPF routing:

*Router 1 (R1)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

*Router 2 (R2)*

enable

configure terminal

! OSPF Configuration

router ospf 1

 network 10.1.2.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

 network 10.1.3.0 0.0.0.255 area 0

! Interface Configuration

interface GigabitEthernet0/0

 ip address 10.1.2.2 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

interface GigabitEthernet0/1

 ip address 10.1.3.1 255.255.255.0

 no shutdown

end

This configuration establishes an OSPF adjacency between R1 and R2, allowing them to exchange routing information. The network statements under the OSPF configuration define the networks that will be advertised by each router.

Please note that this is a basic configuration and might need to be adapted to your specific network topology and requirements. Additionally, you should ensure that the OSPF process ID (in this case, "1") is the same on both routers.

REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 4:02 PM]

📢 Topic 📢

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 4:03 PM]

See, Meta AI generated the Cisco config source code in seconds.

But cannot just use it.

Need humans input, amendment and verification.

Humans' input is still needed.

Else the config cannot run in a live production environment.

It will crash the live system

Eg. The IP address number for the organization is not correct, need to change.

The subnet mask is not properly sub allocated because it uses up all the 255 sub address for a 2 point-to-point route that only need 4 IP address (for broadcast and network address) - this AI has wasted 251 IP addresses.

The area 0 is a routing backbone, and any changes to routing topology will cause the entire WAN (wide area network to go unstable because routing tables changes in the internet) - may need to change it to area 10 for example.

Need to provide test cases to test the route between the 2 routers and routing to the outside world.

Network engineer need to do network troubleshooting.

Hence GAI cannot replace the job of a network engineer.

Network engineer can use GAI to help to generate the code doubly fast, but network engineer are still needed to check, amend, generate test cases and troubleshoot the code generated by GAI.

So this scenario is like workers using computer to increase their productivity but not replacing their jobs.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 4:10 PM]

One silver lining for sg. Even though we are considered as high cost center, companies are still hiring in sg. Sg is also considered as favored location for hiring.

Hanny, [21/3/2025 4:11 PM]

At least for financial industry

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 4:34 PM]

Actually, Singaporeans workers just need to perform any of the 3 roles in AI and we will be fine:-

1. AI creators (Basic research/ Applied research)

2. AI developers (eg. What DBS are doing in AI)

3. AI users (the above Cisco config example that I posted earlier)

Our jobs will still be intact if we do any of the above.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 4:38 PM]

Many Singapore R&D AI can do the AI creators roles in our local Universities and top R&D agencies.

AI like DeepSeek knowledge distillation, chatgpt LLM, even multimodal AI etc - our AI R&D agencies and universities can do it - in case people don't know.

Except we didn't announce to the news.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 5:38 PM]

Btw though arctic route is shorter from China to Europe, it is still not the preferred trade routes because of the following reasons:-

1. Very little port of calls in between - unlike Singapore Malacca straits with Asia Pacific ports, ASEAN ports, Australia and new Zealand ports, India ports, middle east ports and Africa ports and Europe ports, US and S America ports.

Shipping lines are not maximising its cargo load.

2. Arctic route are fiercely contested by US, EU, Canada versus Russia and China that make trade routes dangerous.

3. Need ice breakers to break ice that can damage normal ships.

REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 6:01 PM]

📢 Topic 📢

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 6:20 PM]

Also our digital economy that through tie up with many countries via FTA and multi lateral FTA will pull all the countries that trade with us into our global supply chain via the digital transactions.

Hence shippers even those China ones will have to make the port of call in our ports to load and unload raw materials, parts, intermediate goods and finished goods to the various countries.

Hence Arctic route is not a showstopper for us.

We can control the global supply chain through digital means.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 6:23 PM]

Hence we need the best brains in the government to navigate and build more new global supply chain via our ports.

More voices make more noises - that will distract our government to navigate the treacherous journey in front of us.

We need more brains in the Parliament not more mouth that make more noises.

LCL (Danny 心), [21/3/2025 6:33 PM]

That is, we use virtual technology (digital economy) to tie foreign countries trade and business to our physical ports and our established global supply chain through the multiple bilateral and multi-lateral FTAs we sign with so many countries.

Ensuring trade, shipping route, ports of call, and cargoes will flow through our ports.

Ensuring business vibrancy and securing high value jobs for our population.

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 6:38 PM]

Off track a bit can the government do something on the massage industry? 

Everywhere I go they provide happy ending without a chance of rejecting. 

Maybe ethical test is needed before they have licence and every year renew once.

Some massage therapist told me they live a living through happy ending massage as their company don't give them salary or they need to meet a 10k KPI per month to get salary. 

So government do something please. The industry is too corrupted

Jun Ming, [21/3/2025 6:42 PM]

Raids are not useful as police can't possibly raid every massage place. So some legalisation on owner before opening the shop and therapist before getting license is needed

REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 6:45 PM]

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REACH Singapore, [21/3/2025 7:01 PM]

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