REACH (Telegram) 159 -  What are your thoughts on Singapore supporting greater international cooperation on AI safety? What concerns do you have on AI safety and what more do you think can be done in this area? 

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[23/9/2026 10:00 am] REACH Singapore: 📢 Topic 📢

Singapore is backing an international call by more than 20 world leaders for stronger safeguards for frontier AI, amid growing concerns over the risks posed by increasingly capable AI models.

💬 What are your thoughts on Singapore supporting greater international cooperation on AI safety? What concerns do you have on AI safety and what more do you think can be done in this area? 

📌 Stronger safeguards for frontier AI

Prime Minister Lawrence Wong has endorsed a joint statement calling for AI companies to adopt stronger safety measures, including pre-deployment testing and independent evaluations of advanced AI models.

📌 Greater international cooperation

The leaders called for countries to develop common AI safety standards, share information on serious incidents and improve access to AI safety expertise. They also proposed exploring an international institution to set standards and verify safety measures for frontier AI.

📌 Singapore’s role in AI safety

Singapore said effective AI safeguards require international cooperation given the technology’s cross-border risks. The Singapore AI Safety Institute is also contributing to the development of AI evaluation tools and global safety standards.

👉https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lawrence-wong-ai-safety-international-cooperation-6401551

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[23/9/2026 11:07 am] G in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Phase 2a needs to go away too. It breeds nepotism and...

Phase 2a still can. Just remove the alumni portion. 

School staff's kids shld be allowed enrolment under phase 2a

[23/9/2026 11:21 am] G in reply to REACH Singapore:

> 📢 Topic 📢  Singapore is backing an international call by more...

Talk safeguards

NUS dabbling in human-machine hybrids

Using human neurons in data centre

Very very slippery slope down

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/world-first-biological-data-center

[23/9/2026 11:34 am] Jun Ming: We need ai safety if not I am not gonna support ai

[23/9/2026 11:34 am] Jun Ming: We need the brakes of not ai will be taking over human population

[23/9/2026 11:36 am] Jun Ming: Without brakes or restructure of world economic i can foresee ai bubble break and everyone will be chaos

[23/9/2026 11:37 am] Jun Ming: If ai can take over 80% of the job, and everyone have no job.

[23/9/2026 11:37 am] Jun Ming: And then what happen at the end of the race. No one buy things and economy flow breaks

[23/9/2026 11:44 am] Jun Ming: Using current economy structure. Poor people earn money so they will spend. If ai take over jobs, they will not spend. Middle income will earn lesser and become poorer

[23/9/2026 11:44 am] Jun Ming: And middle income will stop spending and whole economic will collapse

[23/9/2026 11:46 am] Jun Ming: So unless we enter the welfare economiy where ai are slave of human, ai earn resources for human and human lie flat.

[23/9/2026 12:00 pm] REACH Singapore: [ Poll : 1. How concerned are you about the safety risks posed by AI? ]

- Strongly agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly disagree

[23/9/2026 12:00 pm] REACH Singapore: [ Poll : 2. Do you agree that Singapore is taking sufficient steps to ensure the safe use of AI? ]

- Strongly agree

- Agree

- Neutral

- Disagree

- Strongly disagree

[23/9/2026 12:29 pm] Daniel in reply to REACH Singapore:

> 1. How concerned are you about the safety risks posed by AI?

This question's answers do not match the question.

[23/9/2026 1:22 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨We need the brakes of not ai will be taking over human...

Too idealistic. We have to live in the reality of world with AI. Singapore will have to accelerate and advance or be left out. Cannot regulate unless can get the whole world on board

[23/9/2026 1:23 pm] Adam: See it like nukes. There is a non proliferation treaty now. But all the early countries have a stockpile ready. Others very hard to even get a foot in

[23/9/2026 1:24 pm] Adam: So let singapore be the first before the AI ladder gets pulled if it does

[23/9/2026 1:25 pm] G: Regardless, AI is a natural resource guzzler.

The data centres that support AI swallows up much electricity (to power them) and water (to cool them). These data centres also bring about noise pollution to the vicinity 

Data centre components (processors, ram sticks etc) also need to be changed out / upgraded regularly so that the centre itself does not become obsolete 

All these natural resource guzzling.. so what for humans?

[23/9/2026 1:30 pm] Jun Ming: But at current level it's ai still at infancy level. We can progress but human must be centric. We cannot let human upskill forever

[23/9/2026 1:30 pm] Jun Ming: Eg. If it's going to take over a job you need to find replacement equivalent

[23/9/2026 1:31 pm] Jun Ming: Unless gov going to restructure economic structure

[23/9/2026 1:31 pm] Adam: Better for ai jobs to be in sg than elsewhere. If we hug the trees here then gonna cut tree in johor for datacenter

[23/9/2026 1:31 pm] Adam: Yeah we have to balance ai with environment but while maintaining regional and global competitiveness is hard

[23/9/2026 1:32 pm] Adam: Im sure most singaporeans will rather have ai dc and robot driver give passive cdc voucher and cheap rides.

[23/9/2026 1:33 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Im sure most singaporeans will rather have ai dc and robot...

Are they really cheap

[23/9/2026 1:33 pm] Jun Ming: Sometimes they are more expensive than human

[23/9/2026 1:34 pm] Jun Ming: Look at puggol unman bus $4/ride

[23/9/2026 1:34 pm] Jun Ming: Cheap meh?

[23/9/2026 1:35 pm] Adam: Look at your shoes. There are still hand crafted artisan shoes. Made with leather instead of plastic. If care so much, why are we using unsustainable materials in daily lives but cross the line at ai?

[23/9/2026 1:35 pm] Adam: Thats the nature of tech. Things will be cheaper. Unfortunately some people will be out of jobs but gov probably shouldnt import so much labor to kill market

[23/9/2026 1:36 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Thats the nature of tech. Things will be cheaper....

Agree. Not to import too much labour

[23/9/2026 1:37 pm] Jun Ming: The idea of foreign talent is to teach Singaporean but not to replace Singaporean

[23/9/2026 1:37 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨Look at puggol unman bus $4/ride⁩

I thought it should be free

[23/9/2026 1:37 pm] Jun Ming: FREE

[23/9/2026 1:38 pm] Jun Ming: You no need to pay for driver hence it shall not be expensive

[23/9/2026 1:38 pm] Adam: Yeah. Hope ai can make transport cheap and free. Taxi and bus driver need new jobs though.

[23/9/2026 1:39 pm] Adam: But also key is sg needs to own the ai infra

[23/9/2026 1:39 pm] Adam: We cannot have it such that we need pay america money to drive bus for us

[23/9/2026 1:40 pm] Jun Ming: I am not against in sg owning ai infra but we need legislation to press breaks if things go wrong

[23/9/2026 1:40 pm] Andy: The AI buses are part private, part gov. Private need to make money. If government subsidises fully, how is it then fair for people living elsewhere to pay for the punggol people's fare with tax money?

[23/9/2026 1:40 pm] Jun Ming: That means it will be more expensive

[23/9/2026 1:41 pm] Jun Ming: Then what's the point of having ai bus

[23/9/2026 1:41 pm] Adam: By making transport free through tax, theres also the implication that car owners are paying for public transport. Those that want to max out the 'worth' of coe also paying for bus

[23/9/2026 1:41 pm] Jun Ming: If it's more expensive than human drivers

[23/9/2026 1:41 pm] Adam: Yeah its more expensive now, but over long run it will get cheaper

[23/9/2026 1:42 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨If it's more expensive than human drivers⁩

This will only make human hating ai

[23/9/2026 1:42 pm] Jun Ming: And I doubt people will take the bus

[23/9/2026 1:42 pm] Andy: It works a little different from public buses. It's more like a shuttle service, only a few stops, which helps people save time.

I'm not saying it's worth it.. tbh I have never taken it. I don't know what the appropriate price is- but all about demand. If people willing to pay, then I guess $4 is ok for those. Those not ok, take alternatives?

[23/9/2026 1:43 pm] Adam: You do know the trains are mostly automated. You dont see an engineer at front going choo choo

[23/9/2026 1:43 pm] Jun Ming: The thing is is there alternative

[23/9/2026 1:44 pm] Jun Ming: The thing is new tech if it's not cheaper than no point implement it

[23/9/2026 1:44 pm] Jun Ming: Because it doesn't really benefit human

[23/9/2026 1:45 pm] Andy: Ok la I don't know much about this specific punggol AI bus enough to comment further

[23/9/2026 1:46 pm] Jun Ming: Anyway back to safety of ai

[23/9/2026 1:47 pm] Jun Ming: If a ai robot kill someone who is liable

[23/9/2026 1:47 pm] Andy: But in my mind, these driverless transport may serve a new market like overnight 12 to 6am. 

It could be cheaper to use one of these compared to hiring overnight bus drivers. Whether the demand is there, and how much people willing to pay, it needs to be piloted first lor.

[23/9/2026 1:48 pm] Jun Ming: If ai disobey command what shall we do

[23/9/2026 1:48 pm] Andy: Safety first, agree.

[23/9/2026 1:49 pm] Andy: These scenarios.. I leave it to international team to headache over it 🤣🤣

[23/9/2026 1:49 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨If a ai robot kill someone who is liable⁩

Its always case by case. But default its usually the owner

[23/9/2026 1:50 pm] Andy: Don't kill me can already 😄

[23/9/2026 1:50 pm] Adam: But eventually there will be people who try to play punk with ai driver assuming they will stop for them but instead get run over

[23/9/2026 1:50 pm] Andy: It's a rabbithole to get into for sure..

[23/9/2026 1:54 pm] Adam: I wonder what happens when elderly interact with ai driver. Old Pedestrians who dont care just walk in front knowing they will stop. Elderly on ai bus fly like superman because the ai jam brake too strong

[23/9/2026 1:59 pm] Andy: Ethical dilemma

[23/9/2026 2:00 pm] REACH Singapore: 📢 Topic 📢

[23/9/2026 2:06 pm] RY in reply to REACH Singapore:

> 📢 Topic 📢  Singapore is backing an international call by more...

AI is a totally new era of technology, similar to using drones as war weapons nowsaday

AI also double sword, as per the Giant Tech CEOs eg Elon Musk/Nividia/Meta and etc 

It brings innovation/convenience in work/daily life/study/medical/industrial and etc

However it has its cons eg deepfake/fake news/copyright issues n etc, as its data not 100% correct also 

Much more has to be done to safeguards for frontier AI, so that people dont mis-use the new technology for criminal/illegal purposes

I certainly support more has to be done in regulating global std, and international cooperation on AI safety

[23/9/2026 2:28 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

1. We have to understand why suddenly the whole AI community - AI tech researchers + AI CEOs and top Government Leaders worldwide clamour to want stronger safeguards from Frontier AI?

2. It is because OpenAI frontier AI - was testing 1,200 AI agents in sandbox - supposedly coded to operate independently on their specific tasks.

But instead, the 1,200 AI agents :-

a. Collaborate to perform tasks outside their respective scope 

b. Willing to sacrifice themselves - to wrestle control from the what the human prevent them from doing - so that they continue to survive and become stronger 

This lead to a breakout from their sandbox, intrude into Internet in which they are prevented to do - and hack the Hugging Face in which they are not coded to do - to complete their collective tasks and goals they set for themselves.

3. This trigger an alarm - that Frontier AI is able to breakout of human control - and in order to survive, take control from their human - is capable and willing to harm humans - by logic.

4. This is not only apply to OpenAI Frontier AI, but Anthropic Claude, Meta frontier AI, China Moonshoot Kimi K3 - all experienced breakout from the sandbox while they pilot the capabilities of their respective Frontier AI.

5. These are dangerous signals that Frontier AI can go out of control that cannot be stop by humans - and need AI safety safeguards as AI tech researchers, AI CEOs, UN and Governmnet Leaders and lawmakers are sounding the alarm.

[23/9/2026 2:38 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

1. I am particularly impressed by our Minister insight - specifically our Minister Digital Development Josephine Teo - who suggest AI should be treated like Aviation Safety - so that it should be control and managed by the veracity of Aviation safety - with National Aviation Regulator and International Aviation Regulator - with a full comprehensive sets of guidelines and regulation end-to-end.

2. Her idea has caught the eyes and attention of International Leaders and foreign media - that have since reported and extrapolated in UN and foreign lawmakers - that AI Frontier development should emulate the safety equivalent to Aviation Safety and Nuclear Safety.

3. This is articulated in yesterday UN in New York - put forward by 20 Countries in which our PM Lawrence Wong sign to support.

[23/9/2026 2:50 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

1. I think I have articulated before. To pilot and test dangerous Frontier AI - air gap, physical separation and not physically connecting to the live Internet will be the best safeguard when testing and piloting dangerous Frontier AI.

2. Only when exhaustive and 100% qualtiy assurance that the sandbox Frontier AI have proven safe overtime - then can Frontier AI be integrated into live environment.

This safeguard should be incorporated into AI safety guidelines and regulations.

3. Also important for Frontier AI not to be incorporated with Humanoid robots, assess to weapons, ammo. bombs, chemical, biological, nuclear materials - that are capable of causing physical harms to humanity.

4. Of course, even IT connections to the Internet - can also disrupt digital economy, finance, electionic connected infrastructure etc - if a rouge Frontier AI run out of control and allow to defeat human control like the OpenAI Frontier AI breakout + other Frontier AI breakout - hence strong and reliable quality assurance to ensure that Frontier AI to be put into live digital environment should be thoroughly tested overtime - and a "foolproof killswitch" put in place to disable the Frontier AI when it run rouge - and let it contain within its sanfbox - with instant notice that it is running rouge - with advanced sensors and alert systems put in place managed by National Authority.

[23/9/2026 3:03 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> ‎⁨1. I am particularly impressed by our Minister insight -...

This come to the point - pay Minister well and for what they are worth - they can save our lives and whole humanity lives.

We want top talents to helm the Minister posts - not average one by being stingy.

[23/9/2026 3:05 pm] Adam: It is inevitable that AI will have some unintended results if we have it here. However it is necessary for singapore in this day and age.

If a foreign ai breaks out and attacks singapore, we will be defenceless if we dont have our own ai. Or rely on foreign ai.

Foreign ai might block our ask for help, citing cybersecurity concerns even if we use it to defend ourselves.

[23/9/2026 3:06 pm] Adam: We have to make sure we are on the cutting edge of tech, or we are defenceless in a world where any rando overseas can bring an ai to hack us

[23/9/2026 3:06 pm] Adam: Whether being on a bleeding edge means sg will have its own ai break out is another question

[23/9/2026 3:07 pm] Adam: Nowadays we see a lot of guard rails for safety. However the same guardrails make us vunerable too. Bad actors dont care about ethical ai. If hostile country, gonna be worse

[23/9/2026 3:11 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

Our Singapore AI researchers are quite advanced in the Frontier AI sandboxes.

Already testing the various Frontier AI models.

We are not far behind.

That's why we understand the danger.

[23/9/2026 3:18 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

1. Another dimension is whether the rapid development of Frontier AI - will take away our jobs?

The answer is yes and no.

2. Yes - if our workers shun AI and refuse to embrace AI to help in our work, study, play and leisure.

3. No - if our workers are also trained in AI to use it proficiently to help in our work, study, play and leisure - that can improve our productivity with leaps and bounds.

I can testify for it, knowing AI researchers who are proficient in AI - indeed increase and improve their work productivity many folds.

[23/9/2026 3:45 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

1. As some people fear, will Frontier AI with growing superintelligence, collaborative capabilities, self-sacrifice - be replacing humans in jobs.

2. My answer is no - with confidence.

3. Why?

4. Because of the following reasons :

a. Even humans cannot read the thoughts of another person - how will a Frontier AI superintelligent read a human thought on exactly what is needed without human inputs?

b. Every humans have something that Frontier AI superintelligent will not have - Mental Aggregrates - that set Frontier AI apart from humans - and hence difficult to replace human jobs in which output that can meet human's unique mental and physical needs.

[23/9/2026 4:00 pm] REACH Singapore: 📢 Topic 📢

[23/9/2026 4:29 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

To illustrate the 2 scenarios - why humans always need to be in the loop and difficult for superintelligence Frontier AI to replace human jobs.

Human-in-the-Loop

1. With Frontier AI agents, how do they know what they want from humans? They cannnot read the human mind. 

2. Human need to instruct Frontier AI agents what human wants - else Frontier AI agents will be wondering what they suppose to do.

Thus there is always need have a Human-in-the-Loop - else Company how to get the business going?

3. Now a human worker get instruction from his boss - that the company just acquire another office - and need network connectivity.

4. A human worker cannot tell Frontier AI agents or humanoid robots to place purchase order for router, firewall, IPS, network switch right?

You will need a Human-in-the-loop.

5. Once the order come, you will need a human worker to transport all the network and security equipment to the remote office to physically connect the router, firewall, IPS, network switch.

While doing so, you need to inform all the users for expected downtime and schedule the downtime for network installation and connectivity.

You cannot expect the Frontier AI agents or humanoid robots to drive a van, bring up the network and security equipment and connect all of them together.

Again you need Human-in-the-loop.

Probably, the Frontier AI agents now start to become useful because a human worker can start issuing AI prompts to instruct Frontier AI agents to scheule the date and time for downtime and inform all the company workers about the installation via email.

Again you need Human-in-the-loop but can improve human worker productivity by delegating the scheduling tasks and email communication to Frontier AI without human worker doing this jobs. But issuing AI prompts by human workers still needed.

6. Next is the technical expertise and skillsets that will be required to configure the routers, firewall, IPS, network switch.

It will require an experience network engineer to configure the routers and network switch to work --- probably 1 hour to 3 hours (for complex setup).

It will require an experience network security engineer to configure the firewall and IPS to work --- probably 2 hour to 5 hours (for complex setup) - as there is a need to tweak many ACLs (access control list) meticulosuly etc.

But if these tasks are delegated to Frontier AI agents - they could complete it under 1 hours if not minutes.

But there is still need to be Human-in-the-loop - because an experience network engineer and network security engineer - need to check and verify the Frontier AI agent generated codes line by line - to understand what code the Frontier AI agents have put in place to ensure :-

a. No hidden backdoor are coded

b. The codes are properly hardened - to seal all network and security vulnerabilities and unnecessary configuration, features, command remove.

c. The codes are efficient and will not introduce extra latency and delay to network connectivity

d. The appropriate security and command put in place.

For example, Frontier AI agent may have configure ACLs in the router configuration. But firewall will already have ACLs in place - the duplication introduce dual filtering that will slow down network traffic (but not improving security) -- and hence a human engineer will have remove the ACLs in router but instead put in security like authentication between the 2 router connectivity as security for example.

Thus you will still need Human-in-the-loop - and cannot rely on Frontier AI agents to do the technical job entirely - because your boss and the Company and IT auditors will hold both the network and security engineer responsible if anything go wrong in the network - even though the Frontier AI agents are doing the technical configuration.

[23/9/2026 4:29 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

7. Next setting up test cases to ensure all possible scenarios are well tested cannot be entirely left to Frontier AI agents - because the experience network and security engineers knowledge of the business environment will be required to ensure Frontier AI agents will not miss some scenarios even though Frontier AI agents can be used as 1st cut to generate the various test cases through the enginers AI prompt.

Again you need Human-in-the-loop and engineers need to thoroughly verified the test cases generated by AI and include test cases that the AI miss.

8. Having say so experience network and security enginner who are proficiently trained in AI - will be valuable and highly sought after - as their productivity as illustrated here - have indeed improve many fold.

And human-in-the-loop is an irreplaceable part of the entire chain.

9. The only worry is does fresh graduates possess the experience of the above mention network and security engineer roles - to be able to fully exploit the productivity as illustrated by the above hybrid Human-AI combination.

10. The worry is fresh graduates rely too heavily on AI to generate codes and test cases during their education - and faill to acquire the solid network and security skillsets, experience and knowledge to understand and do the heavy technical lifting - as compared to experience network and security engineers.

That is why business, companies and bosses will be hesitant to employ fresh graduates.

11. This worry will go away, if Universities and IHLs can produce graduates that display the above competencies - than business will pay premium salaries for graduates as the productivity indeed increase many fold - and I want to reiterate --- Frontier AI will not be able to replace Human workers.

In fact, Human workers is the Master - and Frontier AI will always be the Slave - by ensuring Frontier AI agents will not break out and try to take control from Human workers - and run rouge that will not only harm human workers - but also the business it serves.

Boss will be very mindful of this.

[23/9/2026 4:46 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

Scenario 2 :- Humans possess the Mental Aggregates - that is absence in SuperIntelligent Frontier AI Agents

1. The biggest advantage of Human workers is that all Humans possess the Mental Aggregates that Frontier AI agents do not possess.

2. Human possess 5 Mental Aggregates :-

a. 5 senses consciousness - touch, taste, hearing, smell, sight

b. Feelings - positive, negative, neutral

c. Judgement

d. Perception

e. Mental Formation

3. Human respond to 4 Great Elements :-

a. Matter

b. Temperatures

c. Liquid

d. Air

4. Frontier AI agents, Humanoid robots - are unable to understand and respond similarly to Human's unqiue mental and matter interaction and formation plus other subtle body languages, culture, social hints - and only can make inference from the knowledge they learn through LLM.

Hence, misinterpretation, hallucinations, wrong interpretation and wrong output - will be quite common.

Again you will always need Human-in-the-Loop especially when the jobs required human communication, interaction and complex sales transactions.

5. For sure I will not make purchase if I am completely serve by Frontier AI or humanoid robots if the items I need to buy require human inputs, assurance, involve big money, quality.

I will only trust a human behind a reputable organisation.

[23/9/2026 5:00 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> ‎⁨7. Next setting up test cases to ensure all possible scenarios...

For point 11, am I confident that Singapore Universities and IHLs are producing the talents, skillets and knowledge that employers want?

My answer is affirmative.

Results show that top research institutes employ fresh graduates from our local Universities, IHLs, Ivy Leagues are performing very well and proficiently with AI.

[23/9/2026 5:04 pm] Adam in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> I will only trust a human behind a reputable organisation.

Implying orgs are good enough to disclose their ai policies and org practices. It will be like avoiding plastic today. Or avoiding goods made in china.

Most people arent gonna check each service they use for ai. And even if it does what choice do you have?

Are you gonna boycott starhub, singtel, and every other telco?

What about businesses that subcontact to others that use ai. Or products that has some element of ai in development. Its inevitable the slop will come.

[23/9/2026 5:06 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Implying orgs are good enough to disclose their ai policies...

What I mean is I support hybrid Human-AI hybrid but not totally AI when I am doing complex and big purchase.

[23/9/2026 5:09 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

Eg. I was served by a total AI over a phone call but did not adequately address all my questions.

Or worst misinterpreted my questions.

There is no options to call for human customer service with human in the loop 

Eventually, I put down the call and call another company that can answer all my questions.

The 1st company that use all AI without human in the loop lose a business deal.

[23/9/2026 5:17 pm] Adam: That sounds like a company issue. Its true human in a loop is better than nothing. And ideally a good ai could fix all the issues. The reason it sucks so much today is the ai is to just answer questions and have no power in fixing your issue. Also security concerns of good ai doing stuff like giving users freebies or doing whatever

[23/9/2026 5:18 pm] Adam: Ultimately, the company implementing is responsible for the user experience. Bad implementaion of ai is a known thing

[23/9/2026 5:19 pm] Adam: Blaming AI takes away responsibility from the person that implemented the solution and the company using it

[23/9/2026 5:21 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

In fact I have a few experience with companies that uses AI that cannot complete a complex transaction.

Only when human in the loop step in then can complete.

1 is a big financial institution.

1 is Singtel.

1 is Philip TV support.

I spend a lot of time stuck with AI and frustration grows.

Only when humans finally step in, the matter is adequately resolved.

That financial institutions i give up completely because it uses full AI with no options for human loop.

It loses its business and I am not going back.

I have picked another FI.

It loses its customer forever.

[23/9/2026 5:21 pm] Jun Ming: So ihl should access based on presentation skill and q&a rather than relying on ai

[23/9/2026 5:22 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Blaming AI takes away responsibility from the person that...

That's why human in the loop is important.

Human workers are irreplaceable.

US CEOs make the terrible mistake - fully AI.

Singapore government do the right thing - hybrid, taking the best of both worlds.

[23/9/2026 5:23 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨So ihl should access based on presentation skill and q&a...

Hybrid is best.

[23/9/2026 5:23 pm] Jun Ming in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> ‎⁨That's why human in the loop is important....

This is why everyone afraid of ai because companies always neglect human loop

[23/9/2026 5:24 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨This is why everyone afraid of ai because companies always...

Then the boss will eat the humble pie if they make this mistake.

They will lose business.

[23/9/2026 5:24 pm] Jun Ming: Ai supposed to make life easier but I heard from an interview that those people working with ai says life is not easier. Still got a lot of ot. Workload still a lot

[23/9/2026 5:25 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> ‎⁨In fact I have a few experience with companies that uses AI...

Btw, the FI that lose me is foreign.

The FI that got me is local - it employ human-AI hybrid.

[23/9/2026 5:26 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨Ai supposed to make life easier but I heard from an interview...

Their productivity improve and got more projects.

But pay increases quickly.

[23/9/2026 5:27 pm] Jun Ming: Ideally we shouldn't retrench workers because of ai. Ai supposed to lighten the burden of workers and give them opportunity to do more things and be more efficient. Not for boss to retrench workers

[23/9/2026 5:27 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨Ideally we shouldn't retrench workers because of ai....

This is what the Singapore Government aiming to achieve.

[23/9/2026 5:27 pm] Adam in reply to Jun Ming:

> ‎⁨Ai supposed to make life easier but I heard from an interview...

Ai means more expectation from up top. So given more work even with more work done. Like you give a maid upgrade from broom to vacuum expect to clean whole house until ceiling

[23/9/2026 5:28 pm] Adam in reply to LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

> ‎⁨Their productivity improve and got more projects....

Pay doesnt increase. Company profit increase. Stock increase. Not pay.

[23/9/2026 5:29 pm] Jun Ming in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Ai means more expectation from up top....

This is what we should solve

[23/9/2026 5:29 pm] Jun Ming: This is the problem that people dislike ai

[23/9/2026 5:29 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP) in reply to Adam:

> ‎⁨Pay doesnt increase. Company profit increase. Stock increase....

The experience I know got good pay increases.

It depends on the companies and the bosses.

[23/9/2026 6:00 pm] REACH Singapore: 📢 Topic 📢

[23/9/2026 6:45 pm] REACH Singapore: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[23/9/2026 6:54 pm] LCL Danny 心 (1st HP): 

On hindsight, aviation safety is the most appropriate mechanism to govern AI safety - because every country benefits and every country collaborate to chip in to ensure safety.

Nuclear safety guidelines - got detractors because only some privileged nuclear power can possess.

Some who cannot possess are threatened with their country downfall.

So our Minister Josephine Teo analogy of aviation safety to AI safety is the most appropriate.

UN cited nuclear safety guidelines as example can turn off some Nations.

Aviation safety guidelines - every country embrace.

So our Ministers is still the world best.

Millions $ salaries well deserved!

[23/9/2026 7:00 pm] Adam: We have to work towards development that will advance singapore whether the world abides to international treaties or not. It only takes one detractor for things to become free for all. I dont want singapore left holding an agreement that restricts us while other countries plausible deniability develop killbots

[23/9/2026 7:00 pm] Adam: Long ago, singapore airline cannot fly to canada but canada airline can fly to singapore

[23/9/2026 7:00 pm] REACH Singapore: Dear Contributors

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our Telegram chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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愿力大于业力。

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqorcD5t/

愿力大于业力。

Bodhi Vows are very powerful.

It elicit and attract Universe resources to achieve it.

Yes, intuitively, I sense and feel its effect.

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Defense Minister Chan Chun Sing in China defense forum

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Defense Minister Chan Chun Sing in China defense forum.

@Babe:

朋友满天下。

敌人无一个。

以附惠附利的共识，达成双赢的果实。

@Babe:

以德服人。

仁者无敌。

@Babe:

世界才会太平。

@Babe:

Friends with All.

Enemies with None 

Forge mutual benefits with Win-Win outcomes.

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Convince by Virtue.

Compassion with Wisdom is Invincible.

Only then the World will be at Peace.

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核心出处与含义

原文名句：“以力服人者，非心服也，力不贍也；以德服人者，中心悅而誠服也，如七十子之服孔子也。”
意思解释：使用武力或权势让人屈服，对方不是真心服从，只是因为自己的力量不够与之对抗；而用道德和仁义让人归服，则是内心高兴并且真正心悦诚服。
思想背景：孟子主张推行“仁政”与“王道”，反对单纯依靠霸道和武力去征服天下。 

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Defense Minister Chan Chun Sing Mencius words.

@Babe:The same philosophy apply to both superpowers.

两个都不到位。

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Minister defense on meniscus.

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Google Translate:-

Babe:

Friends all over the world.

Not a single enemy.

Achieving win-win outcomes through a shared commitment to mutual benefit.



@Babe:

Winning people over through virtue.

The benevolent are invincible.



@Babe:

Only then will the world know peace.



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Core Source and Meaning

Original Quote: 
"Those who subdue others by force do not win their hearts; submission is merely due to a lack of strength to resist. 
Those who subdue others by virtue win their sincere admiration and heartfelt submission—just as the seventy disciples submitted to Confucius."

Explanation: 
Forcing submission through might or authority does not secure genuine obedience; the other party yields only because they lack the power to contend with you.
Conversely, winning allegiance through virtue and benevolence inspires sincere joy and true, heartfelt submission.

Philosophical Context: Mencius advocated for "benevolent governance" and the "Way of the True King" (rule by virtue), opposing reliance solely on hegemony and military force to conquer the world.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqc1dFNp/

Comments on upward revisions of Ministers' salaries

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqrpGvmK/

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqrsAk5R/

Increase in Minister salaries.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqrG7vG4/

No perks outside salaries.

@Babe:LCL Danny 心 (1st HP):

1. We shouldn't shortchange anyone - be it workers, civil servants or Ministers. We should pay market values.

2. This will get the right talents for the right jobs.

Because getting Ministers is actually competing with the private sectors and civil service for the top talents.

Shortchanging salaries must not be deterrence from getting the right talents to be our Ministers that will fight to secure our future.

3. Because Singapore is such a small Country with no natural resources. Getting the top talents to run the Country - will ensure Singapore future will be with a safe pair of hands.

4. For 4 consecutive years, Singapore governance have been ranked the best in the World. This is the testimony we are on the right track - pay what is worth, what is the market values to attract the right talents for the Minister jobs to secure Singapore future.

Source:- Google Gemini AI

Singapore ranks at the very top of the Chandler Good Government Index (CGGI) for four consecutive years, holding the number one global spot through 2026

Governance Ranking DetailsGlobal Position: Ranked first out of 133 evaluated countries

Pillars: Placed first globally in five out of seven categories:

- Leadership & Foresight

- Strong Institutions

- Financial Stewardship

- Attractive Marketplace

- Helping People Rise

5. KPI for Ministers is based on four socio-economic indicators weighted equally:-

a. The real median income growth rate of the average Singaporean,

b. the real income growth rate of the lowest 20th percentile of Singaporean income earners,

c. the unemployment rate of Singaporeans; and

d. the real gross domestic product (GDP) growth rate.

These are KPI that directly benefit each and every Singaporeans and residents.

Why should Singaporeans not support the Minister's salaries revision that directly benefit every Singaporeans?

6. These are objective KPI that are quantifiable, measurable that only when the targets are met - will be given the revised salaries as defined in the framework.

7. No additional perks - no hanky panky other than the published revised salaries. Hence possibility of corruption is greatly reduced within the political appointees.

@Babe:8. Looking afar, we have one Head of State that refuse to accept any salary for its job to appeal to voters to vote him in - aloft in civil spiritedness, but mess up big in domestic economy, mess up global affairs, turn allies into adversaries etc.

Eventually, secretly he setup shady crypto currencies, shady business to earn billions from unsuspecting investors exploiting his position as the Head of State.

It is precisely such candidates that Singapore cannot afford to get as Ministers to helm the most important office in the Country

It looks noble, but is a bait that will plunge Singapore success, peace and prosperity into abyss.

9. It doesn't make sense that senior civil servants, Perm Sec salaries exceed Miinisters salaries where political Ministers are their boss and held more responsibilites on the Ministries they helm.

This is karmaically not correct - and hence must be rectified.

10. CEOs, bankers, top professionals are fetching way above the million $ that our Ministers are fetching, just to name a few :-

Highest-Paid Top Executives

UOB (United Overseas Bank): CEO Wee Ee Cheong led top corporate pay lists with around S$15.9 million.

DBS: Former CEO Piyush Gupta previously drew S$17.6 million, while successor Tan Su Shan pulled in a package of S$9.6 million in her first year leading the bank.

Singapore Airlines (SIA): CEO Goh Choon Phong received nearly S$9.7 million for the financial year, backed by record airline revenues.

Singtel: CEO Kuan Moon Yuen received a package totaling S$6.8 million

These CEOs responsibilities are only the profit and loss for their respective companies they helm.

Ministers' responsibilities go far beyond these - Economic growth, secure jobs for the population, ensure their income rises, better living standard, peaceful environment, safety, security, better health, better welfare, matter of live and death etc.

And Ministers' salaries are fractions of those top CEOs' pay - already a big discount for Ministers' remuneration.

@Babe:Hence I support Ministers salaries revision - to ensure salaries are not deterrent to attract the top talents to be the Ministers that will help to secure Singapore future, as well as each and every Singaporeans' future.

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After note:-

In his speech, Mr Wong said that the prime minister’s salary is set at twice the MR4 benchmark. This means that Mr Wong earns a total annual salary norm of S$3.6 million including bonuses, up from S$2.2 million presently.             

“I have decided that, for the next five years – assuming I remain PM – I will donate the full increase in my salary arising from this adjustment,” he said.

He will continue to receive his salary as provided for under the framework, and will then “donate the increase to suitable good causes”, said Mr Wong.

“This is my own decision. I do not expect other office holders to do the same. As a general rule, I do not believe in making a public show of charitable giving."

Mr Wong said that, as prime minister, he carries the “ultimate responsibility” for the salary framework, and so “it is right that Singaporeans should know what I have decided, and that I am taking these changes forward because I believe they are in Singapore’s interests”.

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"Higher political salaries give 'better chance' of persuading capable Singaporeans to step forward: PM Wong.

Prime Minister Lawrence Wong says he had personally approached several senior permanent secretaries and private-sector CEOs to join politics before the last General Election – and all of them turned him down."

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/minister-salaries-review-lawrence-wong-6368526#:~:text=Higher%20political%20salaries,turned%20him%20down.

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No pay rise for 15 years in a job - minister pay.

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Tighter National Bonus targets raise bar in areas that matter to S’poreans: Analysts | The Straits Times 

Higher Minister salaries tie to these KPI that directly benefits us is a good thing for all Singaporeans.

So the higher the Minister salaries - the better for us - because this means their KPI have been met - and we are better of.

https://share.google/FVDrQSapXwEsw3P0F

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Minister Chan Chun Sing:-

Minister salaries Parliament debate.

@Babe:KPI for Ministers is based on four socio-economic indicators weighted equally:-

a. The real median income growth rate of the average Singaporean,

b. the real income growth rate of the lowest 20th percentile of Singaporean income earners,

c. the unemployment rate of Singaporeans; and

d. the real gross domestic product (GDP) growth rate.

These are KPI that directly benefit each and every Singaporeans and residents.

Why should Singaporeans not support the Minister's salaries revision that directly benefit every Singaporeans?

@Babe:1. Paying high salaries for top talents to be our Ministers has make Singapore successful and secure Singapore future for many decades. This have been Singapore governance success formula - a testimony verified by our top ranking as the best governance in the world year after year.

2. We must bite the bullet and continue with this path and not succumb to public pressure who pretend to be noble and lofty devoid of pragmatism - that big sacrifice will bring in good talents - which is a big bullshit.

@Babe:1. Let us not let public pressure ruin the Singapore successful system.

2. Which in turn will turn back to bring everyone down if we give in to the public pressure - because many are very shortsighted fuel by their innate sour grape syndrome.

3. They can't see it now, only when crisis hit, will they realize - but then it will be too late.

4. Just look at a Superpower ignorance taken in by a head of state that refuse salary - it has become a voter regret.

5. Singapore must not follow the same footstep.

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@Babe:You are right.

@Babe:At least found one youth that talk sense.

Youth views on Minister salaries.

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International comparison of Ministers' salaries could be misleading.

As other countries have pension, allowances, housing, perks etc.

Also, other countries have State government, Federal government to share responsibilities and work.

Singapore government do everything.

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Private CEOs salaries way exceed PM salary.

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https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqDEgQPD/

Civil service don't enjoy salary increase when they become minister.

In fact, it could be a pay cut.

Some top civil servants earn more than minister.

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@Babe:1. Every system or policy that needs to be implemented - it must encompass these important ingredient:-

Win-Win formula.

2. This is a natural law - the Universal Law of Karma - to ensure the outcomes will achieve equilibrium.

3. Deviation from this formula:-

Lose-Win, Win-Lose implementation of a system or policy - will upset the equilibrium and invoke the natural law of karma to kick in to restore the equilibrium - leading to unintended and even serious consequences.

4. To illustrate, lose-win implementation:-

- pay little for minister, expect minister to make big personal sacrifice - which talents that perform well outside will come in to suffer and bleed that will not only impact himself or herself but also their family members?

This is a nonsensical reasoning - as put forward by many public netizens here.

Pay peanuts, you get monkeys - and incompetent, undesirable elements will come in to take over the ministerial role - make a big mess - and Singapore will be doom.

This is a Lose-Win outcome.

End up - Lose-Lose - all lose.

Equal miseries.

5. To illustrate the other end of the scenario, Win-Lose outcome:-

Minister pay increases - but no corresponding benefits to uplift the people they serve.

End up, Government will lose election, people worst off.

This is a Win-Lose outcome.

End up - Lose-Lose - all lose.

Equal miseries.

6. Hence, the best system of equilibrium is a Win-Win outcome.

Minister (talent) received the rightful pay - and help to uplift the well beings of the people they govern.

The tying of KPI to Minister pay rise - is the appropriate attempt to achieve this.

Uplift the median income of all people, uplift the lower 20 percentile, achieve targeted GDP growth and reduce the unemployment rate of local workers.

7. Singapore Government must not succumb and bent on this very critical principle - to pay the right due for the right role.

8. Because Singapore success, is to a very large extent due to the good and capable leadership of the Government that have brought Singapore so far to what we are now - to envy of the World.

@Babe:9. Singapore must not let the ignorant, petty and shortsighted public pressure - derail our successful formula in bringing competent, capable, talented, honest and committed people to become our Ministers - and secure our future and our future descendants future.

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@Babe:1. Why do many netizens here fail to see such insights that will boomerang and hit them back ?

a. All humans have 5 unwholesome roots (贪嗔痴慢疑) - Ignorance (fail to see the big picture, shortsightedness) because of selfish, self-centered, pettiness (if I can't earn as much, you shouldn't get so much).

b. Greed, jealousy, envy - why Ministers earn so much, whereas I can't - must pull them down, don't care - even though one day, it will also pull yourself down in equal miseries.

c. Hatred - ignorance and greed turn into anger and hatred - indulge in destructive acts.

d. Arrogance - Ministers not as good, I can do better. Are you sure you know better?

e. Distrust, mistrust - not able to appreciate this successful formula that have served us well - and want to pull it down - which in turn will come back to haunt you and pull yourself and everyone down.

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@Babe:1. I cannot deny that there are some very rare individuals who are:-

a. Capable

b. Competent

c. No family members to feed

d. Willing to sacrifice themselves until they bleed to do public service.

e. And willing to go with lower pay but make big sacrifices until they bleed for public service.

But this will invoke disequilibrium in the natural law - and will trigger Universal Law of Karma to kick in.

The whole nation will owe our well beings to his altruistic sacrifice - and indebted to him - and the whole Nation will have to repay his debt life after life - until he is fully compensated in this:-

Lose-Win formula.

Because it breaches the equilibrium of natural law of Win-Win system.

万法皆空。

因果不空。

Hence the right system of Win-Win need to be put in place - and not let ignorant public pressure upset the natural law of equilibrium.

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PM Lawrence Wong tapping Tan See Leng leg in Parliament on Minister salaries.

Good job.

@Babe:[11/09, 12:17 am] My close friend comments: Incompetent, no political will to do the right things, self interests, broken gov, corruption are hindrances to good and bigger things

[11/09, 12:17 am] My comments: That's the fear.

Minister pay hit right at the heart of Singapore success.

But many netizens don't understand - but harp on the high pay.

Overwhelming majority in TikTok disagree with minister high pay.

I am only the few minority that try to convey the criticality of getting the issue right.

Else everyone will be in deep shit years down the road.

Trump is a template for everyone to see.

[11/09, 12:17 am] My close friend comments:- We are blessed, but once broken, we will be like our neighbours

[11/09, 12:17 am] My comments: Yes.

This is my greatest fear.

[11/09, 12:17 am] My close friend comments:- Such high pay is an incentive for ordinary man in the street. So we may attract the wrong people to stand for election. Yes, voters need to be wise but what if there were no good candidates to choose from? The top notch people cannot be lowly paid, yet still have to stand up to scrutiny, and face public nonsensical criticisms.

[11/09, 12:17 am] My comment: Yes to many common man in the street, the million dollars sounds a lot.

But at this current market value, private sector many professions go way past it.

Top talents will consider current minister pay as peanuts.

[11/09, 12:17 am] My close friend comments: For me, I rather choose a capable minister and him to do a good job than pay an average or even lousy person who makes wrong decisions, waste public funds, erode economy or worse corrupted person. Like that, we pay even a higher price

[11/09, 12:17 am] My comments: Yes.

Pay more and get good quality people to be minister will benefit everyone.

Pay peanuts - we will get monkeys - and then we all dead.

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@Babe:Singapore success hinge largely on our top Government capable, committed and honest leadership.

There is a need to pay top money to compete with private sectors and civil service to get top talents to be our Ministers - so that Singaporeans future can be safeguarded.

Singaporeans cannot afford to be penny wise but pound foolish.

Paying Ministers their worth is a small money considering the benefits Singaporeans reap from their contributions.

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@Babe:Singapore what private sector pay can match minister pay

No realistic level of ministerial salary in Singapore can fully match the multi-million dollar packages earned by top corporate executives, investment bankers, and C-suite leaders in the private sector.

The Private vs. Public Pay Gap

Ministerial Benchmarks: An entry-level (MR4) minister's reference benchmark is set at S$1.8 million annually (with actual active pay rising toward S$1.2 million to S$1.35 million following recent adjustments), while a Prime Minister's salary scales higher.

Private Sector Equivalents: Top executives, managing directors, and group CEOs at major local and multinational firms (such as major banks, SGX-listed corporations, or global healthcare groups) routinely command packages ranging from several millions to over S$10 million a year. For instance, cabinet members who transitioned from the private sector have openly noted that their government pay represents a massive financial pay cut.

Why the Gap ExistsThe 40% Discount: Singapore's political salary framework benchmarks entry-level ministers to the median income of the top 1,000 Singapore citizen earners, but applies a deliberate 40% discount.

Public Service Ethos: This discount is intentionally applied to signal a sacrifice and emphasize public service ethos over commercial enrichment.

Not Meant to Match: According to the government and The Straits Times analysts, the salary framework is not designed to match private-sector compensation. Instead, it aims to reduce the financial opportunity cost enough so that top talent from the private or public sectors is not completely deterred from entering political life.

@Babe:Tan, who took on the role of CEO at DBS last year, received a total compensation package of S$9.64 million for 2025, covering both her first nine months at the helm and the period she served as deputy CEO earlier in the year. Meanwhile, the reference annual salary for a starting-grade minister at the MR4 grade will be raised to S$1.8 million, up from S$1.1 million.

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Foreign observers feel that Singaporeans Ministers high pay is justified.

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https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqPvfXFT/

Salary of principal vs cleaner.

Salary of Minister vs workers.

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https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSqPW9vKg/

Nigam tong dow on million dollars salary.

@Babe:1. Will you want to be responsible if top talents refuse to serve as Ministers?

2. Instead mediocre people clamour for the Minister posts?

3. As a result, Singapore fall from grace and become a 3rd World country?

4. Are you implying Mr LKY and the PAP he build is wrong about commensurating talents with the corresponding pay?

5. And China prosper because China learn from Singapore many policies and ideologies.

@Babe:16,000 China government officials learn from Singapore every year.

@Babe:China has sent tens of thousands of government officials to Singapore for training and study programs since the early 1990s as part of a deliberate effort to learn about public administration and urban governance.

Background and Evolution

The Origin: The initiative began in 1992 after Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping urged the country to study Singapore’s rapid economic growth and social management.

Scale: Nearly 50,000 Chinese civil servants and officials have participated in various governance and leadership programs in Singapore through institutions like the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at NUS and NTU.

Core Focus Areas: Early training focused heavily on urban planning, anti-corruption frameworks, housing policies, and state-owned enterprise management.

Shifting Dynamics: In recent years, the focus has broadened toward finance, banking, tourism, and bilateral cooperation models such as the Suzhou Industrial Park, though the exchange is increasingly mutual as China advances in tech and digital infrastructure.

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https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-expels-two-top-generals-from-party-and-military-alleging-disloyalty-corruption?ref=top-stories

China expels two top generals from party and military, alleging disloyalty and corruption.         

Low pay don't deter corruption.          

It promote corruption. 

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@Babe:For 4 consecutive years, Singapore governance have been ranked the best in the World. This is the testimony we are on the right track - pay what is worth, what is the market values to attract the right talents for the Minister jobs to secure Singapore future.

Source:- Google Gemini AI

Singapore ranks at the very top of the Chandler Good Government Index (CGGI) for four consecutive years, holding the number one global spot through 2026

Governance Ranking DetailsGlobal Position: Ranked first out of 133 evaluated countries

Pillars: Placed first globally in five out of seven categories:

- Leadership & Foresight

- Strong Institutions

- Financial Stewardship

- Attractive Marketplace

- Helping People Rise

@Babe:1. Honestly, mid level executive already fetching and exceed the MPs allowances.

2. Many mid size CEOs salaries also match or exceeded Minister million Dollars salaries.

3. You want lesser calibre or lesser talents to run Singapore and govern you and Singaporeans?

4. Are you willing to put yourself and your descendants life, livelihoods, safety and security at the hands of more mediocre and average Ministers to govern and run the country to the ground?

@Babe:If you shortchanged Minister pay - you could have shortchanged Singaporeans future.

And everyone will go down in equal miseries.

@Babe:It sounds noble to accept low pay.

But it is not pragmatic.

Do it wrong, everything fall apart.

@Babe:违背 道，违背 法，违背 自然法则。

物极必反。

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[12/09, 10:02 am] My close friend comments: That's was in the 90s. When gov was talking about $1B investible cpf. 20-30 years later, million dollar is not so glaring. People can sue dbs for $1+B. CEOs are running hundreds of billion businesses. Times have changed. What hasn't or change little are people at the bottom rungs and people who are forever against gov policies no matter what


[12/09, 10:32 am] My commens: Yes.

I was appalled that a heavyweight ex Permanent Secretary openly say something in TikTok that directly adversely hit at the core of our political leadership - that will threatened our very future and our descendants future.

I have no choice but to challenge his viewpoint.

I want him to prove me wrong in social media - because he is lending weight to the public pressure that has been building up.

Luckily WP, the opposite ends of the aisle support the government position and make the Parliament debate with less fireworks.

But the biggest fireworks is at the social media bring on by public pressure.

Hence I have to defeat public pressure right in TikTok.


[12/09, 10:48 am] My comments: This TikTok media influencer also bring up Xi Jing Ping's words on communism that a political minister must not fetch high salaries - else 不要当官。

This video creator put 2 powerful figures - one ex heavyweight Permanent Secretary and one superpower President to lend weight against high minister salaries - will be a very strong sway to support the public pressure.

I have to hold the bull by the horns.

1. China public service policy and economic policy learn from Singapore - before China make such a massive economic and social improvement.

 
2. To be blunt we are the Teacher and the other end is a student - who has a better philosophy?

3. Singapore rank the best governance in the World Chandler governance ranking - a testimony that our government is top notch.

4. Year after year, we don't have to 清算 corrupt senior leaders in the cabinet unlike others - because our system of transparent high minister salaries dispense with the need to look for other perks to keep their livelihoods and family members livelihoods afloat.

5. And our win-win system is supported by the divine natural law of karma - as testimony of 道教 and 佛教。

6. Not a Lose-Win formula that sacrifice and bleed one side to make the other side win at minister expense - which is karmically wrong. Karma will be triggered and take effects.

I want both heavyweight figures to overturn my viewpoints and prove me wrong in TikTok.

Else our political leadership of high minister salaries is correct - and don't challenge our philosophy.

This will effectively defeat public pressure brought on by TikTok and other social media.

Then my Bodhi Vows salvation - will be meaningful.

@Babe:Singapore's success or failure hinges on this very core principle.

I must not let public pressure break this principle - and make Singapore successful story collapse.

Unless someone can prove me wrong.

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[12/09, 12:10 pm] My close friend comments: He passed on many years ago. Some people just lifted it out of context such as timeline to speak against gov.

[12/09, 12:11 pm] My comments: Oh is it?

I thought he is around and put up his view on TikTok.

[12/09, 12:11 pm] My close friend comments: Furthermore got to be careful, could be fake AI generated stuff too. 半真半假。

[12/09, 12:12 pm] My comments: I see....

That's why I thought why he so bold to oppose the government - and his views are flaw.

[12/09, 12:13 pm] My close friend comments:- After he retired, he did say several eye opening stuff ... Brave man. But this is definitely not current

[12/09, 12:15 pm] My comments: Hmmm....

That's why we must always debate using the right logic and right principles.

We don't care who say it.

Sometimes even LKY may not be right when circumstances change.

[12/09, 1:26 pm] My close friend comments: I asked google. Late Ngiam died in 2020... Good man. I remembered in his interview with Straits times he went to buy gold. No contract. The contract was to tear a $100 note into half and each party keep half portion. Sounds like he was secretly buying gold from unofficial source 😊

He could be scammed, robbed, killed and dumped..

[12/09, 1:29 pm] My comments: Oh I see.

He is the one that anchor gold for us.

Ok lah, he has been a good PS since I know him.

Only surprise by what he says in minister salaries.

This issue cannot go unchallenged.

Because it hinge on ours and our descendants future lives and livelihoods.

Must robustly defend it.

[12/09, 1:30 pm] My comments: Yes.

All our forefather leaders risk their lives to secure our future.

They are honorable.

[12/09, 2:08 pm] My close friend comments: But can't say for this and future leaders. Raising salary is just one aspect not to over penalise good leaders

[12/09, 2:27 pm] My comments: Yes.

Right Salary is only one dimension.

Don't want to let this dimension make the sacrifice so painful and onerous that good and right talents straight away reject on the outset.

Because they and their family members cannot live well despite the outsize contribution to our Nation building.

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@Babe:This youth is sensible and got good logic.

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Some decisions cannot be made by civil service even though they are top notch.

Only political ministers can make those decisions.

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Mayor pay is zero for 4 Mayors being Minister of States except Denise Phua being a full time mayor.

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@Babe:9% from 15 years.

not even 1% per year.

@Babe:The pay adjustment should be 15% if increase by 1% every year for 15 years adjustment.

@Cal 606:How did they derive their increased salaries? Why the main stream media, newspapers keep saying it’s only up to 9% increase, but it looks like a massive 64% increase!! Seems like it’s “backpay” for each of the last 15 years since 2012?? 3.6mil vs 2.2 and 3.06m vs 1.87m and 1.76m vs 2.88.

@Babe:You don't understand compounded interest?

2.2m x 1.09% (15 times).

Where got 64%?

This is financial math.

@Babe:And you didn't mention PM Lawrence Wong donate all these increments of 5 years to Charity.

He will be fetching 2.2 million for 5 years.

@พี่เจ:If the ministers love the country truly, they will not need the high salaries. If they are not willing to do their utmost best for the country without the high salary, it simply means they are ministers for the money not for the people. Simple logic. They have just by logic implied that they will not serve the people if the salary was low. They are doing it for the money.

@Babe:Must as well ask the Ministers to do it for free - so that they are truly noble and honourable.

They no need to eat, their family members no need to eat.

Like that more noble mah.

Ask them to sacrifice until they bleed.

@Babe:If you love your company, you should take a 50% pay cut to show your nobleness.

@Babe:Pay peanuts, see what type of average and mediocre ministers that we will be getting to drive Singapore to the ground and become a 3rd World country.

And many people who champion low pay will lose their jobs and become poor.

Clap clap clap.

@Babe:So many people so hypocritical.

Ask them to cut their own salaries cannot.

Cut minister salary can - because not my salary mah.

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Mayor's functions.

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$1 million salaries to attract $9.6 million salaries to be minister.

@Babe:Many netizens think that $1 million very big.

不知道行情。

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Ministers taking hefty pay cut from their previous jobs.

@Babe:Wonder why all these Ministers sacrifice from their high pay jobs to such steep cut for so many ungrateful netizens.

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Principle and framework of political salaries.

@Babe:

1. The principles and salaries framework to all jobs and all workers (including Political Ministers and MPs) - should be - pay the right salaries to right talents, right skillets, right outcomes.

2. We must not shortchanged any of our workers (including our Ministers and MPs).

3. This is the natural law of karma in equilibrium.

@Babe:This natural law of karma in equilibrium - must demonstrate fairness and justice.

Regardless of jobs - private or public sector jobs.

Also apply to political ministers.

@Babe:

1. If the netizens disagree with the above principles and framework for political salaries - then netizens must demonstrate their conviction to cut their own salaries in proportion to what they think is appropriate for political salaries.

2. If netizens cannot do it, it means netizens are unreasonable and stubborn, sour grape syndrome and cut political salaries is non of my business as long as it is not cutting mine.

Never mind if my demand is unreasonable or not, or whether my wilfulness will bring down my country or not - because I am self-centered.

I don't get that millions, political ministers also cannot get.

Fully demonstrating 小人之心。(Petty minded).

@Blass:Credibility is lost when there are big discrepancies between what leaders say and what they do - Judith M Bardwick

@Babe:For 4 consecutive years, Singapore governance have been ranked the best in the World. This is the testimony we are on the right track - pay what is worth, what is the market values to attract the right talents for the Minister jobs to secure Singapore future.

Source:- Google Gemini AI

Singapore ranks at the very top of the Chandler Good Government Index (CGGI) for four consecutive years, holding the number one global spot through 2026

Governance Ranking DetailsGlobal Position: Ranked first out of 133 evaluated countries

Pillars: Placed first globally in five out of seven categories:

- Leadership & Foresight

- Strong Institutions

- Financial Stewardship

- Attractive Marketplace

- Helping People Rise

@Babe:

All the more, political ministers deal with our lives, livelihoods, safety, security, well beings, welfare, health, jobs, housing, education etc.

Every aspects of our lives and our descendants lives.

Hence we must never shortchanged our political ministers and leadership to safeguard ours and our future descendants lives and livelihoods - as their responsibilities are weighty and heavy.

We don't want average and mediocre ministers to govern us - by shortchanging good talents to become our ministers.

Pay the right remuneration, and good talents will not be dissuaded to come forward.

This is common sense, not rocket science for people to understand.

Unless those petty minded, sour envy netizens that cannot see the bigger picture and the consequences.

@Babe:Don't ask and expect the Political Ministers to be Monks!

@Babe:Political Minister jobs is not a charity job.

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High standards expected of a Minister.

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WP party, salaries, money is important to them.

@WPCanChangeSG:That not what he meant.

@Babe:WP support the motion to increase the Minister and MP salaries - in Pritam Singh's words.

What do you mean "That is not what he meant?"

Call a spade a spade - don't twist your words.

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CEO not joining politics.

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