Monday, June 10, 2024

REACH 577 - What do you think about the current efforts in place to address mental health and climate change issues? What more needs to be done? How can the Government improve its communication and outreach efforts to widen its outreach and deal with polarising issues?

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10 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)


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10/6/24, 11:02 am - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said on 8 June that the PAP will create two new groups within the party to address cross-cutting issues of mental health and climate change, while he will personally do more in his public communications. The party will also step up its engagement efforts through its government parliamentary committees (GPCs) – party organs organised along ministry lines – he said at an event to cap a six-month exercise to refresh and strengthen the PAP.

💬 *What do you think about the current efforts in place to address mental health and climate change issues? What more needs to be done? How can the Government improve its communication and outreach efforts to widen its outreach and deal with polarising issues?*

📌 *Creation of two new work groups to tackle cross cutting challenges*

PM Wong said that the key challenges facing Singapore increasingly cut across traditional demographic lines. Thus, the party will set up a new mental health group to be led by Senior Minister of State for Communications and Information and Health Janil Puthucheary, and a climate action group under Senior Minister of State for Manpower and Sustainability and the Environment Koh Poh Koon.

PM Wong would like to “better engage our activists and also all stakeholders, be it healthcare professionals, environmental groups, community organisations, or individuals”. 

📌 *Increased mental health support*

The mental health group builds on a 2022 mental health survey by the Young PAP which found a strong public call for increased mental health support. Minister for National Development Desmond Lee also added that mental health is also an issue that many Singaporeans, including younger ones, are concerned about "in a fast-paced environment with the impact of social media".

📌 *Better and more open communication*

PM Wong added that the PAP needs to have effective communication channels, and “we must do better”.  He also wants to hear directly from Singaporeans on how the Government can serve them better.

PM Wong said he will meet the media more regularly to address issues of the day and the thinking behind certain policies, and will continue to make use of various social media platforms to reach out to more Singaporeans. He also promised to conduct more visits on the ground to engage Singaporeans in person and garner their feedback.

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👉  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/peoples-action-party-refreshpap-pm-lawrence-wong-4396251

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10/6/24, 11:44 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*Mental Health and Wellness*

1. Seems like this topic have been floated up time and again and based on observations, indeed mental wellness is an important topic to address.

2. Mental health and mental wellness can be break up into 2 parts.

3. Mental health refer to mental healthiness or mental illness.

4. Mental wellness refer to healthy people encountering some events in life that could have affect a person's mental wellness.


10/6/24, 11:52 am - +Yilin: All accurate. We need to open our minds and hearts.

10/6/24, 11:52 am - +Frankie Wee: Mental health and climate change create two into personalities separate. Mental health focus on environment change

10/6/24, 11:53 am - +Yilin: Climate change is caused by human pollution to the environment. Use and Abuse.

10/6/24, 11:53 am - +Rama: Need understanding colleagues,  employers, immediate family,  relatives and friends.

10/6/24, 11:53 am - +Rama: Tell that to Dotard!

10/6/24, 11:54 am - +Frankie Wee: Example hawker too heater case whereabouts healthy issue

10/6/24, 11:54 am - +Frankie Wee: https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2024/06/08/many-hongkongers-must-work-past-retirement-age-as-they-face-us300000-shortfalls-in-their-average-pension-savings-schroders-survey?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1xslbkJ5ALkwqsmuMwcwSLN1eBxid4ZR0xcwcfCvqjj8kr8uaWQ-1E8N4_aem_AdEJJuZwiKO6L2qfa2q5BJgAmMshQj2lMpKOZXsDb2Lxra3jEPegATmbfJdrdY1DOKZsj6RBrIXaT0gsGkQhIj1o

10/6/24, 11:57 am - +Frankie Wee: I  am not surprised Hong Kong is wealth when inflation level increases cost of living they can’t afford to retirement, they still have to work till age 80+ 😢


10/6/24, 11:58 am - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Hence mental health refer to whether a person is mentally healthy like any normal person or a person suffer from mental illness such as autism, bipolar disorders, schizophrenia etc.

2. This will require medical treatment from psychiatrist and psychologist.

3. Early intervention will bring the best results.

4. Hence important to identify such people in needs - whether in school, community or workplace.

5. Proper diagnosis and medication will help people in such category recover or manage the conditions and live a normal life.


10/6/24, 11:59 am - +Frankie Wee: More likely suicide

10/6/24, 11:59 am - +Yilin: We have a cycle as well, even though our velocity of money is high as well. The key issue is how to meditate, when there is disruptions, calls, emails, colleagues. And opportunity for getting to know colleagues is higher than spending time with family. Temptation is rife. It takes good planning, and the suggestions by the government are so far good, with more staying at home work and more benefits doled out by the government. $700 in cash CDC can be spent over $3 budget meals in 2.5 months.

10/6/24, 11:59 am - +Rama: Medical subsidies,  extended medical leave entitlement,  relevant medical social workers needed to increase.


10/6/24, 12:00 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not all will turn suicide.

In fact later I address mental wellness due to life events - this category is usually overlook that result in depression, anxiety disorder etc - some results in suicide.


10/6/24, 12:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: I would suggest it’s better address health lifestyle help

them de stress instead of full time working. Work flexibility arrangement better support look after themself mental health matter.

Climate change can lead heater

10/6/24, 12:03 pm - +Rama: Support and understanding very important along with acceptance

10/6/24, 12:03 pm - +Rama: All concerned parties must come together to brain storm a suitable solution

10/6/24, 12:06 pm - +Yilin: If you put a person with mental illness beside a person without mental illness - the employer will choose the one without mental illness. I am still trying to find any monetary incentives to hire those with mental illness, so far, I haven't found anything, will be happy if someone could post if they have found.

10/6/24, 12:06 pm - +Frankie Wee: How do they focus on working when suffer mental health

10/6/24, 12:07 pm - +Yilin: good question, we must all turn psychologists and positive ones as well

10/6/24, 12:07 pm - +Nic Freehold: Robin Williams was outstanding but suffered

10/6/24, 12:07 pm - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

10/6/24, 12:07 pm - +Nic Freehold: Mental illness is not physical

10/6/24, 12:08 pm - +Nic Freehold: They are working

10/6/24, 12:08 pm - +Yilin: It is the suffering that caused him to be outstanding, his innate tapping into his soul was vastly greater than those who had not suffered his perspective.

10/6/24, 12:09 pm - +Rama: Wrong interpretation and medication can have dire consequences

10/6/24, 12:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: His brain ran faster like a super computer whilst most on 386 486

10/6/24, 12:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: Overthinkers leads to problems without outlet

10/6/24, 12:10 pm - +Nic Freehold: Singapore is notoriously strait jacket

10/6/24, 12:10 pm - +Nic Freehold: Our emphasis on materialism

10/6/24, 12:10 pm - +Yilin: you mean practicality

10/6/24, 12:11 pm - +Nic Freehold: this mental

Illness

10/6/24, 12:11 pm - +Nic Freehold: We are 2nd highest GDP

10/6/24, 12:11 pm - +Yilin: this is called running thoughts in mental health terms,

10/6/24, 12:11 pm - +Nic Freehold: Do we want to be richer than god?

10/6/24, 12:12 pm - +Yilin: men from time immemorial has asked himself this question

10/6/24, 12:12 pm - +Nic Freehold: Addiction to materialism is also a mental illness

10/6/24, 12:12 pm - +Nic Freehold: How to have work life balance


10/6/24, 12:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Mental wellness refer to perfectly mentally healthy people but encounter some life events that traumatize the person.

2. Eg. Job loss, money not enough, loss of loved ones, PTSD eg. Recover from Some turbulence, life threatening situation, post natal blue resulting in hormone changes etc.

3. This could make some healthy people develop unhealthy mental states eg. Stress, anxiety, depression, withdrawal etc.

4. Getting psychiatrist and psychologist help and treatment is important.

5. At the same time, mind training such as meditation will help to purge negative thoughts and emotions and return back to equilibrium, bring back positive thoughts.

6. Also addressing the stressors straight on will help the person to recover and restore mental wellness.

7. If left untreated or unaddressed - it can lead to suicide if negative thoughts overwhelm the person.


10/6/24, 12:12 pm - +Nic Freehold: Family and children suffers

10/6/24, 12:13 pm - +Yilin: it is not stated in the DSM5 - TR https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm

10/6/24, 12:13 pm - +Rama: There was a recent case of a local psychiatric who missed diagnosis a patient condition leading to terminal outcome!

10/6/24, 12:13 pm - +Yilin: work-life balance is a tussle between fulfilling someone else's dream and fulfilling one's happiness.

10/6/24, 12:14 pm - +Yilin: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/psychiatrist-professional-misconduct-patient-death-inappropriate-prescriptions-high-court-4334256 you mean like overdose?

10/6/24, 12:15 pm - +Rama: This message was deleted

10/6/24, 12:15 pm - +Rama: Yes!

10/6/24, 12:15 pm - +Rama: Not all sectors of our business can implement work life balance.

10/6/24, 12:15 pm - +Yilin: a lot of this comes from threats, threats from colleagues, competition from colleagues, threats from boss, competition from other companies. we are encouraged to compete and win,

10/6/24, 12:16 pm - +Yilin: I see how hard ICU nurses work, they actually run into the room

10/6/24, 12:17 pm - +Yilin: A.I. will iron out everything, we will all be paid a minimum "surviving wage" for 3 meals a day, gather into interest groups to invent things and get sponsored for inventions

10/6/24, 12:18 pm - +Rama: I feel for them!

10/6/24, 12:18 pm - +Rama: Only for some of us.

10/6/24, 12:18 pm - +Yilin: rarely can people produce good thinking under stress

10/6/24, 12:19 pm - +Yilin: good thinking is the product of meditation

10/6/24, 12:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/gen-zen-ai-chatbot-mental-health-support-2317721

10/6/24, 12:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: Possible really can help support from Ai

10/6/24, 12:20 pm - +Yilin: yes, A.I. can be perfect, as it give all the right answers

10/6/24, 12:21 pm - +Redzuan: Probably works when AI have emotions..

10/6/24, 12:21 pm - +Yilin: https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-that-the-existence-of-AI-girlfriends-might-cause-users-to-rely-more-on-technology-than-human-relationships

10/6/24, 12:22 pm - +Yilin: and then we marry our robot partners!

10/6/24, 12:22 pm - +Redzuan: Yup

10/6/24, 12:23 pm - +Redzuan: 1 plus 1 = A ...... 🤔

10/6/24, 12:24 pm - +Nic Freehold: Who pays the bills? You mentioned about practicality

10/6/24, 12:24 pm - +Yilin: the government


10/6/24, 12:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Another category of mental wellness refer to a perfect normal person but possess many negative attributes and negative thoughts that result in problems in social interaction, schools, workplace and community.

2. Such negative attributes are rooted in 贪嗔痴慢疑。 (Greed/jealousy, Anger/hatred, ignorance of things around them, arrogant and distrust).

3. This can be corrected through meditation to purge the negativity and bring back positive attributes.


10/6/24, 12:25 pm - +Nic Freehold: Of COE fame?

10/6/24, 12:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: Use CHAS card subsidies after

10/6/24, 12:26 pm - +Yilin: like is said, we need to curb our humanness in negativity and be positivity

10/6/24, 12:27 pm - +Rama: Easier said than done!


10/6/24, 12:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. On another matter, many layperson often misunderstood perfect mental state of Void and Emptiness (空), a perfectly wholesome state --- versus --- annihilation (灭) which is a perfectly disastrous state. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 12:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*Difference between annihilation (灭) or destruction vs void (Emptiness) (空) or attainment (Nirvana)*.

Is 一线之差 (a thin fine line) between 魔道 or 佛道。(Mara or Devil vs Buddha).

Annihilation refer to demolishing of Form (色) - destruction.

Void refer to attainment of Emptiness (空) in mental state. 

Eradication of 贪嗔痴慢疑 - greed, hatred, ignorance, arrogant, distrust. (Void in mental state not physical state - which is annihilation).

If a body is destroyed - can a person survive to attain void in mental state?

Obviously no.

Hence suicide bombers bomb themselves thought can attain void - actually descend into hell - annihilation (魔道).

Likewise demolishing of heritage is also annihilation. 

If heritage anyhow demolished, history lost, future generations make the same mistake, reinvent the wheel, losing the values and knowledge of the forefathers - drop into annihilation path - 魔道。Because many generations of millions and millions of population lose the knowledge and values of our forefathers to make us successful and safe.

If Earth or Universe is annihilated - can beings survive?

Obviously no.

Then how to attain mental void?

空 - which is non-attachment to the 5 unwholesome evil roots?

Hence must have 色 to have 空。

空 to have 色。Form=Emptiness.

Emptiness=Form.

Literal translation of 经 is wrong - only Enlightened know the intricacies of 空。

Demolishing 色 (form) is 魔。

Attaining 空 (in mental state) is 佛。

Hence 佛 或 魔 is 一线之差。


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盛法 - 佛生。

相法 - 法轮。

末法 - 佛像。

The Dharma of the Flourishing Age - Buddha's birth.

The Dharma of the Appearance - Dharma Wheel.

The Dharma of the Ending Age - Buddha's image.

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10/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/mental-health-long-wait-costly-timely-affordable-insurance-workplace-3296691

10/6/24, 12:33 pm - +Yilin: it is terrible to seek money to be a listener to other's problems, where is a good friend in need and deed?

10/6/24, 12:40 pm - +Redzuan: We are humans.. with feelings n emotions. 

The balancing of positive n negative. 

Then how about EGO?

10/6/24, 12:41 pm - +Yilin: Psychiatry is an industry from time immemorial that has faced many critics due to its harsh history, it arose from human experimentation and war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1hkwWi1YxM Many innocents during that time, including in the Second World War was brought into it. as well as veterans of the Vietnam wars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8qr-p9z5g many have railed against asylums as they were called from time immemorial, calling for understanding into (rebellion against societal norms) as in shut up and eat 3 meals a day, do your work, go home, go to sleep, etc. it was felt that this is the best way to enjoy and live life and that those who disagree should be.....


10/6/24, 12:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

EGO - human ego?


10/6/24, 12:41 pm - +Nic Freehold: it’s about hope.

10/6/24, 12:43 pm - +Nic Freehold: Stereotypes and negative impression of mental illness Stymy recognition and self confession of f issues

10/6/24, 12:43 pm - +Yilin: it is not to say that people who enjoy war should not be medicated.....

10/6/24, 12:43 pm - +Nic Freehold: Without acknowledging issue, people will not visit help source

10/6/24, 12:46 pm - +Yilin: this is where ego comes in, those who are bullies, often do not need medication while those who suffer, suffer until, irrecognition while being medicated to take on a world that is not nice, suck it up and eat it.

10/6/24, 12:47 pm - +Yilin: it is what is thought of as correct.

10/6/24, 12:48 pm - +Nic Freehold: It’s social and power structures and peer pressure

10/6/24, 12:48 pm - +Nic Freehold: Untrue

10/6/24, 12:48 pm - +Yilin: we are taught all the rights ways from young

10/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Yilin: I hope so

10/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: This kind of thinking can lead to worst problems in future

10/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: What is right? Heard of the term “didn’t age well”?

10/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Yilin: yes unfortunately

10/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: Our govt policies are advanced

10/6/24, 12:50 pm - +Yilin: better than many countries

10/6/24, 12:50 pm - +Yilin: as least we are enjoying our food, without being bombed


10/6/24, 12:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Ego is strong attachment to self.

It is this mental state - that result in many negative mental states.

Strong attachment to self - often result in outcomes not meeting expectations, strong ego unable to accept opposing ideas that sounds rational, etc

Often this will result in social problems - unable to make friends.

Meditation can help to improve strong attachment to self and able to empathize with others. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 12:50 pm - +Yilin: some try to forget their worries, by worrying about others instead, it may be a good way,....

10/6/24, 12:51 pm - +Nic Freehold: But Singaporean Narrative is slow, because we trust govt we don’t observe China lingo and advancement 

And  even Gen Z  lingo and thinking

10/6/24, 12:51 pm - +Yilin: It was often, black lingo was misunderstood in the common English states as well, until..... we listen carefully

10/6/24, 12:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: taking a sabbatical and making it mandatory option

10/6/24, 12:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: I keep hearing about Buddhism as nausea without leading to practical govt policies

10/6/24, 12:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: everything can be solved by mediation? Then no need govt

10/6/24, 12:53 pm - +Yilin: LKY was nominal buddhist

10/6/24, 12:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: No need medicine, nurses doctors

10/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Yilin: imagine all the people.....


10/6/24, 12:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because meditation outcomes is learn to :-

1. Let go.

2. Breathe 

3. Mindfulness of negative thoughts that arise and not respond to it.

4. See negative thoughts come and go and dissipate.

5. Non attachment achieve.


10/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Nic Freehold: Thailand is Buddhist then it must be paradise

10/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Yilin: we all are trying, even as we are writing here

10/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Nic Freehold: No prostitution, no corruption???

10/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Yilin: it was said that jimmy Carter looked at his Statue of Liberty and felt lust

10/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: attachment to Buddhism without solution ? Please use the Buddhist Hall t

10/6/24, 12:56 pm - +Nic Freehold: Wow


10/6/24, 12:56 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is not about a country.

It is not whether a person call himself a Buddhist.

It is whether a person can meditate and accomplish peace.

Even a non Buddhist can attain Enlightenment if a person attain the peace.


10/6/24, 12:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: We are talking about practical Singapore

10/6/24, 12:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: Not Nepal

10/6/24, 12:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: How many buddhas from Thailand?

10/6/24, 12:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: I am Buddhist

10/6/24, 12:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: But let’s not be overwhelm secular Singapore chat group

10/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: this is a secular group


10/6/24, 12:58 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Meditation is secular.

It is not about Buddhism.


10/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: where’s the admin

10/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: you are preaching Buddhism so much here

10/6/24, 12:58 pm - +John Khor: Mental issue clients are not easy compare from 20 years ago 🙏

10/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: Without adhering to relevance


10/6/24, 12:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Meditation is curing mental unwellness.

Meditation is being about positive wellness.


10/6/24, 12:59 pm - +Nic Freehold: good bye I am leaving this group

10/6/24, 1:00 pm - +Rama: Not joining us on Telegram!?

10/6/24, 1:01 pm - +Redzuan: <Media omitted>


10/6/24, 1:01 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yesterday, Minister Indranee was attending a mental wellness class - that teach secular meditation with the gong sound of mental wellness.

She say:-

1. Let go

2. Breathe in and breathe out.

3. Count the breath

4. And attain mental wellness.

This is the best prescription to attain mental wellness.

The best to maintain mental serenity.

Without medical treatment or intervention.


10/6/24, 1:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

*Sustainability and Climate change issues*

1. I think this is a very serious issue.

2. Everyone is experiencing the effects of climate change.

3. The last few months are very warm. Weather is increasingly unpredictable.

4. Though we are experiencing El Nino - hot temperature, the effects has been quite extreme. As temperature soar near the 40 degree Celsius.

5. Hence, we have to change our lifestyle to prevent carbon dioxide from building up and result in greenhouse effects.

6. Going green is the right way to go. And the government direction is on the right path.


10/6/24, 1:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. I have noticed car using green energy - specifically EV cars that uses battery.

2. I understand using battery don't emit carbon, but battery if discarded will be a big environmental issues.

3. Also, using EV charging will have other issues.

a. All petrol station will go out of business - lead to job loss.

b. Every car park lots got to install a charger - costly, and need to dig the car park to lay power cable.

I understand currently got no choice because we have to depends on car manufacturers - whereby green cars are dominant especially cars from China, US tesla etc.

Hence we are force to look into EV cars.

But some car manufacturers have some other ideas - and are exploring hydrogen gas, ethanol.

This means we can keep the petrol station convert into hydrogen gas or ethanol - and retain jobs - and yet reap green energy without pollution of environment with carbon.

No need to dig road, install EV charging per car park lots.

But this is still in infancy stage.

Not yet in mass production.

Hence, maybe we can delay abit later should we wait for hydrogen or ethanol gas car - or EV car and start digging carpark but inherit the battery disposal problem.


10/6/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Japan announces world’s first green fuel: this engine shatters hydrogen and EVs"

 https://www.ecoticias.com/en/green-fuel-japan-engine/2762/#:~:text=Japan%20announces%20world%E2%80%99s%20first%20green%20fuel%3A%20this%20engine%20shatters%20hydrogen%20and%20EVs


10/6/24, 1:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Climate change we need to reduce recycling due to global climate and Russia war will like use rocket and nuclear power

10/6/24, 1:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Today I feeling heated 😣

10/6/24, 1:33 pm - +Yilin: Concrete is a major source of heat trapped.

10/6/24, 1:33 pm - +Yilin: Me too

10/6/24, 1:33 pm - +Yilin: We rushed too much n adopted the world. In the end, we are suffering. But there may be a slim chance to change things.

10/6/24, 1:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s couldn’t change due to Russia power up war then more likely global climate heating then a recycling ♻️

10/6/24, 1:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: 😖

10/6/24, 1:36 pm - +Yilin: Now is submarine tornado n hurricane


10/6/24, 1:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Another thing that deserves mention.

2. Singapore is a hub for data centres.

3. We have attracted very healthy investors of data centres to build cloud computing,AI etc.

4. But recently we have slow down and Malaysia have been attracting more data centres.

5. But both of us encounter a very pertinent problems.

6. Data centres need alot of power and water to run.

7. Malaysia is facing water shortage and drought. And power generation is also a big problem for them.

8. Likewise, Singapore power generation is also near saturation.

9. We also face stress in water production - as water purification need power.

10. Hence our government direction to shoot for green energy to power our data centres is a right move in the right direction.


10/6/24, 1:53 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Malaysia’s push for data centres could strain power and water supplies, warn experts".

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-s-push-for-data-centres-could-strain-power-and-water-supplies-warn-experts#:~:text=Malaysia%E2%80%99s%20push%20for%20data%20centres%20could%20strain%20power%20and%20water%20supplies%2C%20warn%20experts


10/6/24, 1:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://theindependent.sg/fitch-singapore-is-unlikely-to-attract-large-data-centre-investments-as-malaysia-has-drawn-most-of-it-over-the-past-years/

Fitch: Singapore is unlikely to attract large data centre investments, as Malaysia has drawn most of it over the past years


10/6/24, 1:54 pm - +Yilin: today also I prayed for rain, I think my prayers were answered! :)))))))


10/6/24, 1:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"Singapore unlikely to draw large-scale data-centre investment despite added capacity: report

This is because the allocated capacity isn’t enough for the sector’s needs in South-east Asia. 

Johor and Batam have also come up as attractive destinations for investments into data centres".

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/esg/singapore-unlikely-draw-large-scale-data-centre-investment-despite-added-capacity-report#:~:text=Singapore%20unlikely%20to,into%20data%20centres


10/6/24, 1:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha...

Meditation is about training for self awareness and mental wellness.

Else later people will say - why not secular?


10/6/24, 1:55 pm - +Yilin: luckily Singapore government does pay for interest groups to gather together to write a memo, and if that is accepted, funding occurs

10/6/24, 1:57 pm - +Yilin: https://www.forwardsingapore.gov.sg/news/press-release-for-singapore-government-partnerships-office-launched


10/6/24, 1:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And meditation indeed is the most scientific method to cure mental unwellness.

And at its optimal perfect state - it purge all negative thoughts and attributes and attain Void.

This is science, which is secular - and the best mental treatment for all human beings.

Hence as per today's topic mental health, mental wellness - Meditation is my proposed ideas for the well being of all human beings.

It is well intention, it is secular, it is non-religion.

And I don't intend to preach any faith here. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 2:01 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 


10/6/24, 2:01 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And most important, it grow Wisdom - profound, boundless Wisdom.

禅生定。定生慧。

Meditation grow Concentration and Mindfulness.

Concentration and Mindfulness grow boundless profound Wisdom. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 2:03 pm - +Yilin: what is wisdom in mandarin?


10/6/24, 2:03 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

智慧。

Specifically 般若智慧。


10/6/24, 2:04 pm - +Yilin: 风风日心?

10/6/24, 2:04 pm - +Yilin: 丰丰


10/6/24, 2:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't know what is this.


10/6/24, 2:05 pm - +Yilin: therefore I asked the fruit tree


10/6/24, 2:05 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: ?


10/6/24, 2:05 pm - +Yilin: as in the fruits of wisdom


10/6/24, 2:06 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh.

You mean fruition 果位。


10/6/24, 2:06 pm - +Yilin: yes

10/6/24, 2:06 pm - +Yilin: thanks! :)


10/6/24, 2:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Fruits of Wisdom got 3 parts anchor in A pure heart.

Specifically:

1. 无我 (Selfless)

2. 大慈大悲 (Great Compassion)

3. 般若智慧 (Insight Wisdom)

Anchor on a 菩提心。

Bodhi Heart. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 2:08 pm - +Yilin: 👏


10/6/24, 2:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is the outcome of a perfected state as the result of meditation.

Or Enlightenment or Enlightened State.

果位。


10/6/24, 2:09 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>


10/6/24, 2:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It is also a Void State (空).

But 此空非彼空。

Emptiness, Void is not Vacuum.

It is the eradication of all 5 unwholesome state.

With stray thoughts not arising.

不起心动念。

A void State.


10/6/24, 2:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence no attachment to Self.

无我, 无念 - 万法皆空


10/6/24, 2:17 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The mindset of "not enough, never enough" can be a heavy burden, leading to a life of constant dissatisfaction and unrelenting striving. It's a mindset that can manifest in various areas of life, from material possessions to relationships, personal achievement, and even time and resources. When we're trapped in this mindset, we're never content with what we have, always desiring more, and feeling like we're lacking in some way. But the truth is, "enough" is a subjective concept, and it's up to each of us to define it for ourselves.

10/6/24, 2:17 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HS_DjExKYmU


10/6/24, 2:17 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

👍


10/6/24, 2:17 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Empathy and compassion gravitate towards understanding and kindness, counterbalancing the weights of "never enough" and perpetuating a cycle of compassion, care, and connection. Just as gravity pulls objects towards each other, empathy and compassion draw us closer to others, fostering a sense of community and shared humanity. By embracing these qualities, we create a world where everyone feels valued, supported, and empowered to thrive. In this harmonious balance, the "never enough" mindset is replaced with a sense of abundance, gratitude, and contentment, allowing us to appreciate the beauty and worth of ourselves, others, and the world around us.

10/6/24, 2:18 pm - +Ah Heng: This message was deleted


10/6/24, 2:18 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

👍


10/6/24, 2:18 pm - +~l or Smiley face: As we cultivate empathy and compassion, we begin to see that everyone is struggling with their own version of "never enough." We see that our colleagues are not just competitors, but human beings with their own strengths and weaknesses. We see that our neighbors are not just strangers, but individuals with their own stories and struggles. And we see that our own worth and value come not from external validation, but from our inherent dignity and humanity.

Some may argue that embracing empathy and compassion may lead to complacency and a lack of motivation to improve oneself or one's circumstances. Others may argue that the "never enough" mindset can drive innovation and progress, as individuals strive to achieve more and better themselves. Additionally, empathy and compassion may lead to enabling or excusing harmful behaviors, rather than encouraging personal responsibility and growth.


10/6/24, 2:19 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes

👍


10/6/24, 2:20 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Some may argue that addressing privilege and entitlements is too difficult or uncomfortable, and that it's easier to focus solely on empathy and compassion. However, ignoring the role of privilege and entitlements in perpetuating the "never enough" mindset only serves to perpetuate inequality and dissatisfaction. Others may argue that acknowledging privilege and entitlements is a form of self-flagellation or guilt-tripping, and that it's unnecessary to confront these issues in order to address the "never enough" mindset. However, recognising and dismantling privilege and entitlements is essential to creating a more just and equitable society, and is not about guilt or self-flagellation, but about taking responsibility for our actions and attitudes.

10/6/24, 2:21 pm - +Yilin: yes

10/6/24, 2:21 pm - +~l or Smiley face: While empathy and compassion are essential, they must be accompanied by a willingness to confront and dismantle the systems of privilege and entitlement that perpetuate inequality and dissatisfaction. By addressing these underlying issues, we can create a more just and equitable society where everyone has enough and can thrive.


10/6/24, 2:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Be careful not to fall into a state of communism instead of promoting entrepreneurship, and market economy.


10/6/24, 2:22 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

10/6/24, 2:22 pm - +Yilin: communism occurs when we all have travelled to our own planets in the solars


10/6/24, 2:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Mental cultivation must also attune to secular living.

Which in this case market economy. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 2:24 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The key to balancing these mindsets is Self-awareness, Introspection, and Intentional choices."

-- anonymity

10/6/24, 2:25 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

10/6/24, 2:26 pm - +REACH: Dear Contributors, 

Please be reminded to post content relevant to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active.

Thank you. 

Megan

10/6/24, 2:27 pm - +~l or Smiley face: 10 June, 2024

"The Nexus of Mental Health and Climate Action"

"As Singapore strives to build a sustainable future, it must confront the intricate relationship between mental health and climate change. This nexus demands a delicate and sophisticated approach, integrating climate resilience into policies and prioritising mental wellbeing. By means of innovative solutions like urban gardens, community centres, sustainable transportation, virtual reality therapy, climate coaching, and sustainable livelihoods, we can foster a culture of sustainability and promote holistic wellbeing."

-- anonymity

10/6/24, 2:29 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The mental health impacts of climate change are multifaceted, including anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Climate change exacerbates social and economic inequalities, disproportionately affecting vulnerable populations. In Singapore, the urban heat island effect, and extreme weather events further exacerbate mental health concerns. The country's urbanisation and modernisation have led to a disconnect from nature, exacerbating the mental health impacts of climate change. Furthermore, the lack of awareness and stigma surrounding mental health issues hinder efforts to address this nexus.

10/6/24, 2:32 pm - +Yilin: <Media omitted>

10/6/24, 3:06 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUrg_7Oi1nQ

10/6/24, 3:06 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITaj0qAehD8

10/6/24, 3:14 pm - +Yilin: I think the way to end mental illness is to make music cheap, cheap to buy, cheap to learn (i.e. YouTube) music heals all, physical ailments - watch what we eat and exercise, is the only modern way


10/6/24, 3:17 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eat, sleep, walk, work, talk is also important in mental training and wellness.

行,住,坐,窝。

Living at the present moment.

活在当下。

And not attached to vexation or respond to negative sentiment - is non-attachment.

And this can contribute to mental wellness.


10/6/24, 3:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: Cycle life exercise

10/6/24, 3:19 pm - +Yilin: oh yes and no tea or coffee,

10/6/24, 3:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everyday daily the same to life to live fullest cycle

10/6/24, 3:19 pm - +65 9009 7919: can share how we going to transit to telegram?

10/6/24, 3:25 pm - +Yilin: I cannot deny their bravery https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gjZdcyo98EY / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRHyjj34ZE

10/6/24, 3:25 pm - +Frankie Wee: Being well’s Mental health need to met social group outreach and support community so they won’t be alone or suffer depression. 

But each has problem has different respect.

10/6/24, 3:25 pm - +Yilin: 勇气

10/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Frankie Wee: Wow too risk

10/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Yilin: they have let go....

10/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Yilin: from them we learn...to let go

10/6/24, 3:27 pm - +Frankie Wee: True

10/6/24, 3:27 pm - +Yilin: I cannot deny the bravery of these people

10/6/24, 3:28 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s the only empathy to respect whether they wish to join social group outreach. 

But will surely break personal silence

10/6/24, 3:29 pm - +Yilin: https://www.newsflare.com/video/316691/old-chinese-woman-swings-on-horizontal-bar-to-work-out

10/6/24, 3:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: Person whom suicide themselves are discriminates. However they never think themselves family or wife/husband.

10/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Rama: How to think when they are that particular state of mind without first seeking professional help!?

10/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qM1IEhtNQ

10/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: I like it i wish to try what if fell down and unclaim insurance accidentally 😅

10/6/24, 3:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Deeply concerned he must think of this even they are educated well

10/6/24, 3:32 pm - +Yilin: the thing is to start very small, great things can be achieved internally

10/6/24, 3:33 pm - +Frankie Wee: Somebody need to be there for them when depression or anxiety case mental health breakdown.

10/6/24, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: I thinking how better climate change if possible could have environment in HDB or landscape

10/6/24, 3:35 pm - +Yilin: first thing is to reaffirm them, praise them, see the light, next things is making things lighter, explaining their situation, affirming reassurance, nothing is permanent

10/6/24, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: True

10/6/24, 3:36 pm - +Yilin: next is to share own tough times with them, so that they never feel alone

10/6/24, 3:36 pm - +Yilin: and then promise to be a good listener, get them to seek their own solution through affirmative and paraphrasing action

10/6/24, 3:52 pm - +Yilin: get them interested in hobbies, initially have to set a date with them to start those hobbies they like, or set them up with someone familiar with those hobbies

10/6/24, 3:55 pm - +Yilin: can also practice deep sea diving

10/6/24, 3:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.dresort.com.sg/

10/6/24, 4:00 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

10/6/24, 4:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: To tackle this complex issue, Singapore can pioneer innovative solutions that integrate technology, community engagement, and sustainable development. The proposals are grounded in the latest research and developments:

10/6/24, 4:01 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkaJrzd6-hw

10/6/24, 4:04 pm - +Yilin: this is risky, best to start small. internal and external are all equal. sometimes, internal meditation can be great as well!

10/6/24, 4:04 pm - +Yilin: some people choose risky, to tame their own wildness

10/6/24, 4:06 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDho1Y8MekE (never stop being in awe)

10/6/24, 4:09 pm - +Yilin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufORgD0s2Mo

10/6/24, 4:11 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Small bites Always Win!

Free MRT rides on public holidays and half-price attraction fees can bring joy to Singaporeans! It's a great way to explore the city, save money, and feel a sense of community. Let's make Singapore even more happier & inclusive place, one free ride at a time!

10/6/24, 4:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: Nice

10/6/24, 4:14 pm - +Yilin: do you think we should build an air-con dome over our entire city? 🤔

10/6/24, 4:14 pm - +~l or Smiley face: In small ways, we discover each other and gather together as one...(甜头) !

10/6/24, 4:15 pm - +Rama: Cost, sustainability. Eco friendly!?

10/6/24, 4:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: Play mahjong can help mental health

10/6/24, 4:17 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.ask.com/culture/benefits-playing-mahjong-solitaire-stress-relief-mental-health

10/6/24, 4:20 pm - +Frankie Wee: Use solar system energy saving green when weather is too hot

10/6/24, 4:20 pm - +REACH: @Yilin

Dear Contributor, 

Please be reminded to post content relevant to the topic that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active. 

Thank you. 

Megan

10/6/24, 4:21 pm - +Yilin: This message was deleted

10/6/24, 4:22 pm - +REACH: Dear Contributors, 

Please be reminded to keep to the topic ⬆️ that is being discussed. We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active! 

Thank you. 

Megan

10/6/24, 4:24 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Small bites Always Win!

Free MRT rides on public holidays and half-price attraction fees can bring joy to Singaporeans! It's a great way to explore the city, save money, and feel a sense of community. Let's make Singapore even more happier & inclusive place, one free ride at a time!

More Lobangs to encourage Singaporeans to own happiness and lose stress?

1. *Free outdoor yoga and fitness classes*: Organize free outdoor yoga and fitness classes in parks and gardens, encouraging Singaporeans to prioritize wellness and connect with nature.

2. *Community art initiatives*: Set up public art installations and encourage Singaporeans to contribute to them, fostering a sense of community and creative expression.

3. *Mental health days*: Encourage companies to offer mental health days off, recognizing the importance of self-care and stress relief.

4. *Neighborhood potluck dinners*: Organize regular potluck dinners in neighborhoods, promoting social connections and a sense of community.

5. *Free book-sharing programs*: Establish free book-sharing programs in public spaces, encouraging Singaporeans to share knowledge and stories.

6. *Wellness workshops*: Offer free wellness workshops, teaching stress-management techniques like meditation and mindfulness.

7. *Public garden initiatives*: Create public gardens, allowing Singaporeans to connect with nature and grow their own fruits and vegetables.

8. *Free concert and movie events*: Host free outdoor concerts and movie screenings, promoting joy and community spirit.

9. *Volunteer opportunities*: Develop platforms connecting Singaporeans with volunteer opportunities, fostering a sense of purpose and fulfillment.

10. *Gratitude walls*: Create public gratitude walls, encouraging Singaporeans to share what they're thankful for and spreading positivity.

These ideas focus on building community, promoting wellness, and encouraging creative expression – Agencies from Healthier SG, Healthier Ageing, MSF, MCCY, MND, NParks, PA will champion each initiative or combined efforts and drive into annual events! 

Let's create our Shangri-La each township!

10/6/24, 4:30 pm - +Yilin: sorry Megan, is it okay to reply to the post like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTep750sOlw after all its in relation to healthy hobbies for those who do not want to gamble but want an element of luck <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 4:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Another issue about sustainability and climate change is food security.

2. As climate change become unpredictable, it impact global crop supply and animals feed which in turn impact our food security - as we import most of our food from overseas.

3. We have a goal to achieve food security with local production of food 30x30 (30% of local produce goods by 2030).

4. But unfortunately, a few high tech vertical farming, fish farming, cell culture meat have stop production due to high cost, high price, unsustainable demand.

5. Only the container fish farming look successful.

6. We need to come out with strategies to tackle our local food production - and ensure we can still meet our 30x30 goal.


10/6/24, 4:33 pm - +Yilin: Sorry Megan, it was about meditation and the potential of meditation for mental health, rewards is amazing. I am not so sure if you wanted comments on the topics within or the government's suggestion in itself? <This message was edited>

10/6/24, 4:34 pm - +Rama: The rate of closure for current sustainability efforts is alarming!


10/6/24, 4:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

Worrying too.


10/6/24, 4:34 pm - +Rama: 😳😞

10/6/24, 4:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Use 3D make meat into real cell blood

10/6/24, 4:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://builtin.com/articles/3d-printed-meat


10/6/24, 4:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

3D printing culture meat is also a branch of cell culture meat.

I think technologies is not an issue.

The issues are high cost, high price, low demand as natural food are cheaper,more abundant and people alreary can accept it.

The challenges are, what happens if climate change drastically one day, or big war that stop supply chain, or protectionism or pandemic - whereby foreign food export stop.

Then 30% local food is our life saviour.

But now, if local production cannot even survive, how to ensure the 30% to save us if crisis hit? <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 4:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/despite-rising-deaths-bacterial-infection-meat-industry-under-little-pressure-2024-03-12/

The death toll could spiral to 10 million people per year by 2050, according to a 2016 review on antimicrobial resistance (AMR) commissioned by the UK government. The World Health Organization (WHO) lists AMR among the top 10 threats for global health, while the World Bank estimates that AMR could shave $3.4 trillion off GDP annually, and push 24 million more people into extreme poverty in the next decade.

10/6/24, 4:41 pm - +Frankie Wee: Need to investment building project

10/6/24, 4:41 pm - +Frankie Wee: Technology Ai can advance speed

10/6/24, 4:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sad to heard how the earth changed by 2050


10/6/24, 4:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

To keep our local food production going, there must be a government effort, community effort and consumer efforts - to ensure our local food production of 30% don't close shops.

That's we must be willing to foot up a bit more $ to keep our local food production going. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 4:42 pm - +Frankie Wee: Wish were the day 1990s is great time

10/6/24, 4:43 pm - +Yilin: for anyone interested, Markov theory solves, some supply chain issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD7UNopNcUk

10/6/24, 4:44 pm - +Yilin: we just need to divert buffets! to individual needs


10/6/24, 4:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Some effort to make local food production possible.

Eg. Buy Singapore food campaign.

Government, GLCs buffet lunch in events - use local production food.

Etc. to this effects.


10/6/24, 4:46 pm - +Rama: The cost must come down further but only if we meet 30% self sufficiency!


10/6/24, 4:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Or NTUC got one corner - local seafood, vegetables, eggs, cell culture meat bundle together with discount.

Then we buy - something like that.

It is for our future survival.

We need to keep local food production alive.


10/6/24, 4:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

Cost is a challenge.

Price is a challenge to local producers.


10/6/24, 4:48 pm - +Rama: Ntuc venture seems to have folded recently!

10/6/24, 4:48 pm - +Rama: Subsidies solutions!?


10/6/24, 4:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh is it?

I didn't see such initiatives around my place.

Eg. AMK hub, Nex or my neighborhood NTUC.


10/6/24, 4:49 pm - +Rama: Saw it on social media and or local news channel.


10/6/24, 4:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't know.

Businessman and government need to brainstorm how to package it that is competitive.

And consumers can accept.

I will support.


10/6/24, 4:53 pm - +Frankie Wee: If u vote pap they will come down price

10/6/24, 4:53 pm - +Rama: Bribery indirectly!?

10/6/24, 4:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: 🤷‍♂️

10/6/24, 4:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: I guess only

10/6/24, 4:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/singapore-core-inflation-holds-steady-at-31-in-april-amid-lower-services-food-inflation

10/6/24, 5:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: I don’t think wisely 

Because it’s a core inflation level affected by global supply

10/6/24, 5:01 pm - +Frankie Wee: PAP govt can only help ereae cost of living were given budget day


10/6/24, 5:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Another thing, weather and temperature can be more and more unpredictable.

2. Hot temperature can be a norm.

3. Wonder how successful is DCS (district cooling system) in tengah? Have all the teething problem like leaking resolve? Is the cost per household lower than traditional Aircon? Also l thought DCS is a greener energy than traditional Aircon - as it uses running water to provide cooling temperature.

4. If DCS prove successful and cheaper, will government consider rolling out to other HDB flats or even to private condo or landed properties?


10/6/24, 5:06 pm - +Frankie Wee: Climate change were give cdc vouchers $300 must find 4 tick ✅ 

However cost living continues to rising

10/6/24, 5:07 pm - +Frankie Wee: We have to learn how save energy on air con usually 2hrs per days

10/6/24, 5:08 pm - +Frankie Wee: Or night off park


10/6/24, 5:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Another thing, understand that some type of reflective white paint can reflect hot sun light and lower the temperature in the house - hence lead to cooler temperature in the house.

2. Will government consider using such reflective white paint for new housing as well as existing housing as part of HIP effort?

3. Then household will not need to turn on Aircon more often.


10/6/24, 5:09 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Sellers up the Aircon price by $300 to equalise the CDC vouchers.

End up no savings.


10/6/24, 5:09 pm - +Frankie Wee: True because of core inflation level

10/6/24, 5:09 pm - +Rama: Competition watchdog sleeping!?

10/6/24, 5:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: Business alway challenge other retail outlets

10/6/24, 5:11 pm - +Rama: So, government in partnership with reclairant business to artificially close one eye!?

10/6/24, 5:11 pm - +Frankie Wee: Low income families maybe suggest walk in meet the people’s session 

Ask MP if possible provide air con limit (which is used by donate)


10/6/24, 5:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>


10/6/24, 5:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/04/ultra-white-paint-reflects-sunlight-cools-climate/


10/6/24, 5:13 pm - +Frankie Wee: I can observe most senior living in one room use fan instead of air con

10/6/24, 5:13 pm - +Rama: Most of the time,  MP assistant stone walk the constituents!

10/6/24, 5:15 pm - +Frankie Wee: One room in small per sqm will really heat up


10/6/24, 5:15 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I did a comparison in previous prices across many reowned stores that sell Aircon when climate vouchers are introduced.

The prices are few hundred dollars higher.

So no point for me to change my aircon.


10/6/24, 5:16 pm - +Frankie Wee: Green eye monster (greedy sell price profit take)


10/6/24, 5:17 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This ultra white paint more useful and greener.

It will keep temperature low without incurring recurrent monthly power cost.


10/6/24, 5:18 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://nipponpaint.com.sg/trade/cool-coatings/


10/6/24, 5:19 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think this one also look good.


10/6/24, 5:19 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yes

10/6/24, 5:21 pm - +Frankie Wee: Learn lesson at new area bto won’t work and many issue

10/6/24, 5:21 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/tengah-centralised-cooling-system-leaks-condensation-issues-persist-sp-group-daikin-hdb-4134051


10/6/24, 5:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But Purdue one say can cool by 4.5 to 10.5 degree Celsius.

That means out perform Nippon paint.

Don't know true or not. <This message was edited>


10/6/24, 5:22 pm - +Frankie Wee: Climate change case more heat up


10/6/24, 5:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh...

Still haven't solved ah?


10/6/24, 5:22 pm - +Frankie Wee: Heat up need address issue

10/6/24, 5:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/relaxing-water-flowing-sound-wrong-location-tengah-residents-complain-leakage-centralised


10/6/24, 5:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Aiyoh...


10/6/24, 5:23 pm - +Frankie Wee: Also my refrigerator get wet on front door 😣 maybe the reason climate change

10/6/24, 5:24 pm - +Rama: Manipulation at work!?


10/6/24, 5:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Don't know.


10/6/24, 5:24 pm - +Rama: Possibly but cannot proof!


10/6/24, 5:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It could be inflation eg. Global supply problem.

So I give it the benefits of doubt.

Since I not changing my aircon - I not complaining.


10/6/24, 5:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everything make in China when sold by supply level core inflation high because US continue likely rising inflation

10/6/24, 5:33 pm - +Frankie Wee: If I am not wrong that main reason why price rising because of China wanted more than US.

10/6/24, 5:37 pm - +Frankie Wee: I may not met retire and believe myself work till 80 just the same like HK

10/6/24, 5:37 pm - +Frankie Wee: 🤦

10/6/24, 5:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: But worries healthy need to be more careful when eat

10/6/24, 5:49 pm - +Rama: At least 70 for me, maybe 75!😢😳😞🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

10/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: Maybe in future USA may STOP products in China to supply.

They will introduce Ai project replacement human to supply. 

However economy and inflation level can’t reduce demand.

10/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: 🤷‍♂️🤦😓😢

10/6/24, 6:02 pm - +REACH: 📢 *Topic* 📢 

10/6/24, 6:02 pm - +Andy: Let me share my story of mental health. I went into business early 40s, didn't do well got into gambling addiction and ended up with a 500k debt. I had to sell my HDB and everything else which was worth something. At that point, my 1st thought was to kill myself and that's it. But I got cold feet when I looked down and thought of my family pulling me back from jumping.

The next thing I did was to call my 3rd brother in-law whom I looked up to. We met and I told him what happened, he listens and never interrupts me. I broke down in front of him yet he never looked down on me or gave me a lecture. Finally, he said let's talk to a few close in-laws to see if they could help and most important is to let my wife know. I heed his advice, told my wife and she was devastated but she stood by me to help me get through the period before we divorced.

My point here is that we must want to get help before others can help us get through the mental conditions. Be it anything, talk to anyone u can talk to and ask for help. Don't let ego get in the way.

We young, middle aged or elderly are all stressed in a way or another. Important is we must know which outlet we can let the steam out and build our resilience up.

Those in my age 56 or older, sure we can remember the army days of being tekan by our sergeants and officers right. We all pulled through and it toughened us up. But now our boys are too protected by parents, little bit only cannot, that's why they are called strawberry soldiers. Sigh. If war comes I think I would rather take a rifle on my own rather than depending on them.

So my suggestion is to teach our kids in school about how to handle stress and build resilience, seek help when needed.

As for company level, HR takes the lead in mental wellbeing programs to help employees to have a work life balance. Of course individuals must be responsible for their well being. If anyone feels stressed or can't cope then asked to redeploy and must be willing to compromise on terms.

10/6/24, 6:04 pm - +Frankie Wee: Never give up has a embrace long way to go and save life


10/6/24, 6:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Never gamble.

It will hurt very badly.

Good that you have emerge from your ordeal.


10/6/24, 6:08 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Your story is a powerful reminder that we're not alone in our struggles. With courage and vulnerability, you're creating a safe space for others to heal and find strength. Your words are a testament to the human spirit's capacity for resilience and redemption. 


Thank you for sharing your truth and inspiring hope!


10/6/24, 6:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Another thing, even when situation become very bad,there is always a way out.

Eg. Those who encounter big financial problem, seek professional help that can help a person restructure his debt.

Never attempt to think of suicide to resolve issue.

There is always a way out.

Gratefully you pull back from that path.

Any problem there is always a way out.

Try not to choose the destructive path.


10/6/24, 6:15 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Thank you, Andy!

We are all here to help everyone! 

Your courage has inspired many including anonymity! Truely real and powerful! Cheers!

10/6/24, 6:15 pm - +Rama: 👌🙏👍🤝

10/6/24, 6:17 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

-- Nelson Mandela

10/6/24, 6:18 pm - +Andy: As for climate issues, I must say I miss circuit breaker time. The whole world came to a standstill and mother earth was happy. A few cars on the road, not many planes flying, less shopping less consumption hence less carbon footprint.

But once COVID is so called over, revenge spending and travelling everything is back to normal even worse than before.

World has cut down on plastic bags usage but is that enough. I'm a layman so don't know this green that green kind of thing. To me it is very simple.

1. Less cars and planes means less pollution

2. Less consumption means less carbon footprint 

3. Less Aircon usage can save money and energy 

But the above means slowing down in business and it affects the economy and to the individual is what's in it for me if I go green, just let others do it then.


Can we go towards more cars free days for a start, educate everyone to set a timer for the Aircon and buy only necessary not wants.

10/6/24, 6:29 pm - +65 8944 4030: Hi I have encountered a lot of ageism and gender based frowns and put downs as a young senior woman. At a recent event I went to, a speaker kept giving advice after advice but when he asked us to tell him more about ourselves, he just cut me short although I hadn't even spoken more than 4 mins. Yet he took the liberty to extend the sessions for another hour and gave ever more advice. It's really disheartening when people give so called inspiring talks without lifting a single finger to help! <This message was edited>

10/6/24, 6:30 pm - +Rama: 😳🤦‍♂️😞

10/6/24, 6:32 pm - +65 8944 4030: This can impact Singapore in the long run because when there is no practical help provided for young seniors and the elderly when they are asking help to keep themselves engaged in a career etc, then they would just stay at home and not be able to effectively contribute.

10/6/24, 6:34 pm - +Rama: I believe government run or sponsored assistance is superficial at best!

10/6/24, 6:36 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "Whether you think you can or you think you can’t, you’re right." 

-- Henry Ford

10/6/24, 6:36 pm - +Rama: Catch 22 situation!?

10/6/24, 6:37 pm - +65 8944 4030: He said he loves to help people. However, when I  asked for career help, he said since I had done the activity with an organisation before, I should know where to obtain help. I told him I was not with the organisation any more and was an individual and hence had approached him. The irony is the reason why he became so curt and refused to help was the other participants and myself refused to take a photo with him so he could post us on his social media platform as we were camera shy.

10/6/24, 6:38 pm - +Rama: Blady nonsense speaker!

10/6/24, 6:39 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "The only way out is through." 

--  Robert Frost

10/6/24, 6:45 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

⏰ We will be closing the chat in *15 minutes* ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

10/6/24, 6:46 pm - +65 8944 4030: I felt very hurt and was on the verge of tears because I am trying to pursue a career again  despite my debilitating unbearably painful disabilities and instead keep facing not only disable put downs but ageist gender based put downs.

10/6/24, 6:48 pm - +65 8944 4030: I don't know how long my body can withstand my disabilities because with spine and joint conditions, one can never tell when we are going to get paralysed so before it becomes worse I want to pursue a career that I'm passionate about.

10/6/24, 6:48 pm - +Rama: Sense any racial overtone!?

10/6/24, 6:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.wsg.gov.sg/home/employers-industry-partners/workforce-development-job-redesign/for-employers-to-hire-persons-with-disabilities?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyJqzBhBaEiwAWDRJVJLE3CW20l5qAIK-3MFdzIsJspphXx5T9mEWVpEDT22LoHxFiP6f5BoCopgQAvD_BwE

10/6/24, 6:50 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.enablingguide.sg/im-looking-for-disability-support/training-employment

10/6/24, 6:50 pm - +65 8944 4030: Hi please clarify. Are you asking if the speaker was racist?

10/6/24, 6:51 pm - +Rama: Possibly

10/6/24, 6:52 pm - +65 8944 4030: if he was racist, he would not have spoken to my young teenaged daughter so politely and asked her aspirations

10/6/24, 6:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.minds.org.sg/for-adults/open-employment-programmes/

10/6/24, 6:52 pm - +Rama: Then, age could be a factor!?

10/6/24, 6:52 pm - +65 8944 4030: and given her some constructive advice

10/6/24, 6:53 pm - +Rama: Stereotype!?

10/6/24, 6:53 pm - +65 8944 4030: Yes I'm sure he was ageist. Just didn't like to hear me talking.

10/6/24, 6:54 pm - +Rama: Shocking!

10/6/24, 6:54 pm - +65 8944 4030: I felt so humiliated

10/6/24, 6:54 pm - +Rama: Karma!

10/6/24, 6:55 pm - +65 8944 4030: I felt like my existence doesn't matter

10/6/24, 6:55 pm - +65 8944 4030: in that event

10/6/24, 6:55 pm - +Rama: So much for the Singapore pledge!

10/6/24, 6:55 pm - +65 8944 4030: Only my teenage daughter was much more important to him <This message was edited>

10/6/24, 6:56 pm - +Rama: Hope speaker is married without children!

10/6/24, 6:56 pm - +65 8944 4030: He is married with a young daughter of his own

10/6/24, 6:57 pm - +Rama: Wonder if his children interact without reservation!?

10/6/24, 6:57 pm - +65 8944 4030: Yes he said he loves his daughter dearly

10/6/24, 6:58 pm - +Rama: Does she interact with other races/income or housing type!?

10/6/24, 6:58 pm - +65 8944 4030: Sadly, I also encountered a racial comment from a participant at this event

10/6/24, 6:59 pm - +Rama: 😳🤦‍♂️😞😖

10/6/24, 7:00 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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Friday, June 7, 2024

REACH 576 - What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey? 

(SK)

07 Jun 2024 (10am - 7pm)


REACH

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7/6/24, 10:01 am - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

The construction of the Founders’ Memorial – dedicated to Singapore’s pioneers and the values they exemplified – has officially started, and it is scheduled to open in 2028.

SM Lee said that while Singapore has several memorials that mark significant events in its modern history – the Civilian War Memorial and Kranji War Memorial, for instance – “we do not yet have a memorial to commemorate our nation-building journey. Now, almost 60 years after Separation, and 80 years after the Second World War, the time has come for us to build one."

💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?* 

Within its two two-storey buildings, which will be connected by a common basement, will be a viewing gallery that overlooks Singapore’s city skyline, exhibition galleries, and multi-purpose rooms for workshops and programmes.

National Heritage Board (NHB) said multiple paths will extend from the memorial into the larger Bay East Garden, with the memorial itself designed to depict a path – a symbol of the nation-building journey that Singapore’s founding generation and its leaders undertook.

📌 _*Singapore's Nation-Building Story*_

“It will tell the story of how they overcame the odds to build a strong, united, and independent Singapore; how they led the people of Singapore through successive battles first against colonialism, then communism, and finally communalism; and how they then built a nation based on the values and ideals embodied in the pledge, launching us on the journey that has led to the Singapore that we see today,” SM Lee said.

📌 _*Establishment of Values*_

The founding leaders established fundamental values and ideals that set the country’s long-term direction: democracy, justice and equality, meritocracy and a drive for excellence, an unwavering commitment to honest, clean government and, above all, a multiracial society, SM Lee said.

He added that while the founding leaders did not get everything right, they made the right choices on the most important issues and Singapore succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

📌 _*Inspiration for Singaporeans*_

NHB said the memorial “aims to inspire Singaporeans to commit themselves towards a better future, as it will serve as a space to capture the spirit of our nation and unify Singaporeans”.

SM Lee added: “I hope this Founders’ Memorial will become a space where Singaporeans reflect on our ongoing nation-building journey; appreciate our precious inheritance from the founding generation; and resolve to continue building a harmonious and successful Singapore, based on our foundational values and ideals, for generations to come.”

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7/6/24, 10:42 am - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* more from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?* 

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

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7/6/24, 12:17 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* more from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?* 

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

7/6/24, 12:17 pm - +REACH: <Media omitted>

7/6/24, 12:18 pm - +Nic Freehold: You sure? I think SM LKY wouldn’t approve of such memorials

7/6/24, 12:19 pm - +Nic Freehold: to SM LKY, the best memorial to his legacy is Pinnacle @Duxton which shows the world we have the best public housing on Earth

7/6/24, 12:23 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I think it's a memorial for him, he doesn't want because I heard a BBC interview where they pour accolades on him crediting him for the success of Singapore. He replied that they have done Injustice to all these other colleagues who are smarter and sharper than he is.  Just that they don't want the limelight and he was chosen to be the prime Minister. I think he would want to have the legacy of Singapore values permeate to the whole Singapore core so that we may continue to be successful and strive and survive! <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 12:26 pm - +Rama: Just like oxleygate. Suppose to tear down but wishes not respected!?

7/6/24, 12:27 pm - +Nic Freehold: If we use AI to be trained by PAP ideology, AI would suggest Goh Keng Swee boulevard would be useful

7/6/24, 12:27 pm - +Rama: 😳😀😄😁👍🤝👌

7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Lim Kim San Avenue

7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Jimmy Chew: That I agree he doesn't want.

7/6/24, 12:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Rajaratnam Flyover

7/6/24, 12:29 pm - +Nic Freehold: Toh Chin Chye Polytechnic

7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Rama: E W Baker Boulevard

7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Nic Freehold: PAP founders were practical

7/6/24, 12:30 pm - +Rama: Not those that came after!

7/6/24, 12:31 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We don't know the challenges they faced,  the hard decisions that were made. The thinking behind events. Like no one wanted to help us in building our defence etx <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 12:31 pm - +Nic Freehold: They didn’t want Ho Chi Minh type of memorial

7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: They love the people alot

7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Nic Freehold: HDB estates is their memorial

7/6/24, 12:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: also.expect deliverables


7/6/24, 12:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

History if not documented, history will be buried.

The loss will be our future generations.

The struggle that our forefathers go through, how we build Singapore will be lost.

What we have is our infrastructure build.

But how will our future generations know who build them?


7/6/24, 12:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If nothing documented, no memorial, then will our future generations know who build them?

Eg. Will the world knows who build the great wall of china?

Why world war 2 erupted? Will our current generations learn any lessons from them - how to prevent world war 3?

The mystery of Stonehenge? No documentation, no memorial - now everyone is guessing how it appear? Even guessing - is it build by aliens - how is this helpful to our current and future generations - if this is a mystery?


7/6/24, 12:46 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Linking the citizen to a beautiful past and challenges and values will help them in their life. Research shows that people with values are 70% successful in life that's what I heard <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 12:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Then future generations will take all our forefathers nation building for granted, become complacent.

Raid our reserves, rest on our laurels, because our infrastructure so great, fall from the sky, so wealthy - then it will do a big disfavor to our future generations...

If no memorials.


7/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Rama: This message was deleted

7/6/24, 12:49 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Cf Tik Tok CEO.  I am a Singaporean. Smart, wise, articulate, polite, professional and clear and direct. A Little like LKY <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 12:50 pm - +Rama: Doctored Document like WWII Japanese text books is a shame!


7/6/24, 12:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yesterday, I was discussing with my private chat groups about the ancient China - 三国演义 三分天下。

3 Kingdoms - 3 division of China - leading to many wars and geopolitical tensions and conflicts.

I say currently, the world is also going through 三国 三分天下 - multi polar geopolitical tussle - but the world not learning from the ancient China history.

My private chat group say, want to view the classical drama again and see what we can learn from it.

Hence no documentation,no memorial - how can we learn from history?


7/6/24, 12:53 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://youtu.be/WF4Z8gvK_XM?feature=shared


7/6/24, 12:54 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/Launch-of-A-History-Of-The-Peoples-Action-Party-book


7/6/24, 12:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This HK drama serial - 3 ancient kingdom - not the real classical - but many of the plots are intact.

It is funny but exciting.

People will chase such drama.


7/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: What’s the relevance? Please educate Reach and us

7/6/24, 12:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: Relevance to Founder’s Memorial

7/6/24, 12:56 pm - +Nic Freehold: Are you suggesting MediaCorp do a series


7/6/24, 12:56 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not many people like to read books.

But looking at memorial, people will will have visual - and will entice people to find out more.

Let ask our younger generations - how many people read all our forefathers books?

Got 10%?


7/6/24, 12:57 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I only manage to read 2 books written by LKY.

But all the younger generations read none.


7/6/24, 12:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/gutsy-asia-redditors-decry-s-236-million-spending-on-overpriced-founders-memorial.7036035/


7/6/24, 12:59 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Why the world are going through 3 Kingdoms - US, China and Russia?

Can be found in the answer in ancient China 3 Kingdoms.

Yet many current generations have no clue about it.


7/6/24, 1:00 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M can be used better. The land could be sold developers for 99yrs leasehold condo


7/6/24, 1:01 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If our future generations raid our forefathers hardwork reserves, it will not be $236 million.

It will be $2 trillion - all our reserves.

Losing our history, lose our soul, lose our nation.


7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Rama: What the blady hell!?😳😡😖😔😞🤦‍♂️😳

7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/new-science-centre-jurong-lake-gardens-open-2027-3118096

Jurong is the turning point of our Singapore story 

Why can’t we incorporate it as part of Singapore Founder’s Memorial

7/6/24, 1:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: It’s a slippery slope starts w $236Miion


7/6/24, 1:03 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Singapore start with sir Stamford raffles near marina bay.

Memorial in Marina bay is a good location.


7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: If we truly understand Singapore, Jurong transformation was 1980s fuel for our growth 

 Tuas Port is 2024 onwards growth

7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: i just hope that the "founding fathers" include both pap and opposition members.

we must remember that the government is made up of all the elected parties.  not just PAP.

opposition members also help to shape policies.

7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Founders memorial there would be perfect


7/6/24, 1:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Jurong is after goh keng swee start industrialisation.


7/6/24, 1:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Jurong Bird Park already move to zoo. Jurong lacking attractions as 2nd city

7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Kenneth Lee WM: also the permanent secretaries. they are the ones that run the country even though party changes.

7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Rama: GKS turned a swamp into an industrial marvel after being laughed at by a then Isreali senior military officer!

7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Jimmy Chew: It's also a story for tourists of our uniqueness and desire for equality for all religion, race and...

7/6/24, 1:05 pm - +Nic Freehold: Our Civil service is unrecognised


7/6/24, 1:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If world war 3 are fought, then world civilization fail to learn the lessons from 3 China ancient kingdom.


7/6/24, 1:11 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Fight for supremacy and legacy are eternal

7/6/24, 1:11 pm - +Nic Freehold: What’s the lesson you want MediaCorp to show ?

7/6/24, 1:13 pm - +Rama: Will be a doctored show piece!


7/6/24, 1:13 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

End up, a little known scholar Sima Yi 灭掉 三国 统一 三国。

Destroy 3 ancient kingdoms and unified as One. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 1:14 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

3 Kingdoms fight - no one win - all lose to a scholar.


7/6/24, 1:14 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapores-fourth-desalination-plant-officially-opens-can-treat-both-sea-and-reservoir

This could have been incorporated into Founder’s memorial. Pay extra $36 million and save $200M

7/6/24, 1:15 pm - +Nic Freehold: I been trying to understand what Danny mentioned. And it’s relevance to Founders memorial

7/6/24, 1:16 pm - +Nic Freehold: That’s why we have Shangri La Dialogue


7/6/24, 1:18 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. People look at Buddha statue, a memorial figure, younger generations will ask who is the statue and find out more.

Likewise, when people see church, mosque, temple (memorial) - people will ask what are they and will find out more .

If not who will pick up holy books to read if no memorial?


7/6/24, 1:19 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Interesting insights

7/6/24, 1:19 pm - +Nic Freehold: You mentioned no one read books

7/6/24, 1:20 pm - +Rama: E books or hard copies!?

7/6/24, 1:21 pm - +Liang Wei: I would much prefer

1) Demolish oxley, show due respect to LKY's primary wishes. 

2) Something simple to encourage people to go and reflect on our humble beginnings

3) A well rounded narrative featuring ordinary folks as well as the leaders. 

4) Encourage thoughtful reflection more than pushing a narrative kind of feel

5) Linking to a water resourcing effort sounds good.


7/6/24, 1:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

How many young people read Singapore forefathers books?


7/6/24, 1:21 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

All my young generations - none.


7/6/24, 1:21 pm - +Rama: Demolishing oxley gate should be after daughter is gone


7/6/24, 1:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This one should not demolished.

That is why lhy and lwl is definitely wrong.


7/6/24, 1:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

They have no foresight.


7/6/24, 1:23 pm - +Rama: LKY wishes to be respected above all considerations


7/6/24, 1:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Eg. Demolished Bethlehem ok?

Demolished bodhi tree ok?


7/6/24, 1:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Cannot whatever a great man say, we do.

Because great man may also not able to see what future generations need.


7/6/24, 1:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Demolished Bethlehem ok?


7/6/24, 1:25 pm - +Rama: Demolished all major history significant

7/6/24, 1:25 pm - +Rama: So, to hell with respect of wishes!?


7/6/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Buddha say, don't use his image for worship.

But now all Buddhists use his image for worship - else how will current generations know about Buddhism?


7/6/24, 1:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Exactly. Cannot.


7/6/24, 1:26 pm - +Nic Freehold: There is no bodhi tree, 

No mirror bright,

All is a void

Where can dust alight? 

6th patriarch Hui Neng


7/6/24, 1:26 pm - +Rama: All Buddhists temple must Demolished statues!?


7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes 

If now everything void.

Buddhism also will be void.

No one learn about Buddhism.


7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh????


7/6/24, 1:27 pm - +Rama: Oxley gate bought with state/public funds!?


7/6/24, 1:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Heritage.


7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M state funds


7/6/24, 1:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Better than losing trillion of dollars.


7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Rama: Over spend!

7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Nic Freehold: Who lose that

7/6/24, 1:28 pm - +Rama: 😳


7/6/24, 1:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yah, opposition say use more and more of our reserves.

Thinking that reserves fall from the sky.


7/6/24, 1:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The memorial will be turn into a tourist attractions and earn more tourism $.

Definitely, it will recoup and earn more than $236 million.


7/6/24, 1:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Must as well say, destroy ancestors cemetery and memorials.

Everything void.


7/6/24, 1:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

So anyone doing that?


7/6/24, 1:34 pm - +Rama: Yes


7/6/24, 1:34 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh you mean you tear down your ancestors tomb ah?

Cannot be right?


7/6/24, 1:34 pm - +Rama: Everything commit to pictures,  slides, videos, microfilm etc!


7/6/24, 1:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Did you do that?


7/6/24, 1:35 pm - +Rama: Go into text and digital records


7/6/24, 1:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh. Every Qing Ming I and my siblings families will go to my ancestors tomb to pay respect as part of filial piety to my grandparents.

We will keep this as memorial.

Wonder which younger generations will look at ancestors photos and videos?

Hardly.


7/6/24, 1:37 pm - +Rama: Somewhat in the process rather than pick , choose and debate


7/6/24, 1:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Really? You tearing down your ancestors tomb?


7/6/24, 1:38 pm - +Rama: You can not please all!

7/6/24, 1:38 pm - +Rama: Land scarce dictate!


7/6/24, 1:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I rather keep my ancestors memorial for generations and generations to pay respect and build filial piety.


7/6/24, 1:39 pm - +Rama: Commit to non physical memory


7/6/24, 1:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha...

Then all void, no memory, everything lost, ancestors lost, no soul, no spirit.

Future generations will think - aliens give magic, they are born.


7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"What the West Can Learn From Singapore.

Data shows that in key areas, Singapore is better at governing than the U.S. and Britain."

 https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/06/05/singapore-us-uk-government-comparison-elections-citizens-governance-politics/#:~:text=What%20the%20West,S.%20and%20Britain.


7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>

7/6/24, 1:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: <Media omitted>


7/6/24, 1:44 pm - +Nic Freehold: Bidadari Bukit Brown how


7/6/24, 1:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Why Singapore is Great.

Because Singapore governance is exceptional.

Every succession of leaders are thinking leaders with vision - not monkey see monkey do.

Everyone had a mind of their own.

That's why Singapore is a Great Nation.

Hence I support the memorial build in Marina bay and support keeping oxyley.


7/6/24, 1:46 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

But memorial still keep somewhere right?


7/6/24, 1:47 pm - +Rama: Memorial too costly and oxley gate must go for me!


7/6/24, 1:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

My grandma tomb in choa chu Kang, then move to a Buddhist temple.

Now all future generations pay respect.

And then all young generations of my brothers convert to Buddhism after several visits.


7/6/24, 1:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Tourism revenue will recover.


7/6/24, 1:51 pm - +Rama: Lame excuse!


7/6/24, 1:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Huh?

If dollars recover are real - cold hard cash.

Still lame excuse?


7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s the end era 1912 the last emperor 

Chinese people no longer ancient they own freedom.

7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

7/6/24, 2:00 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi

7/6/24, 2:07 pm - +Rama: Costs prior to laying of foundation stone not made known to public! Just bull doze through!


7/6/24, 2:10 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The $236 million is make known before hand.

I support.

Because in future, tourism revenue will definitely more than cover this.

And the historical lessons learn by generations and generations of descendants will definitely be worth it. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 2:15 pm - +Rama: LKY DIDN'T WANT ANY MEMORIAL AND OXLEY GATE TO BE DEMOLISHED!

7/6/24, 2:16 pm - +Rama: https://theindependent.sg/president-tharmans-point-about-the-benefit-of-a-strong-opposition-resurfaces-as-election-looms/


7/6/24, 2:18 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

LKY don't want fame to attach to him.

I can accept his greatness.

But the current considerations are how to let our children and future generations learn from history and not repeat mistake make.

Hence memorial and oxley house is a good memorial to get the young interested in our history and learn about the forefathers.

Else it is hdb flats everywhere.

Where is our legacy?

Where is our heritage.

How Singapore e

Originate and evolved?

How can we destroy our history?


7/6/24, 2:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I still remember when I was young, my father bring us to see the war memorial.

I ask what is this?

Then my father tell us story about japanese occupation.

Only then I start to read up about WW 2.

Without the memorial, I won't have pick up the book on WW 2.

Thus memorial definitely have a big role to play.

Year after year, world leaders go to their memorial eg. Normandy WW 2 memorial to commenerate - to learn from history .

Do we see leaders pay respect to videos and books to commenerate History?

Memorial definitely play a part in nation buildings.


7/6/24, 2:23 pm - +Rama: Whatever the lame excuses, respect the wishes of the requestor!

7/6/24, 2:24 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s showed the honor of history war who upon death battle and save our country.


7/6/24, 2:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I respect LKY but doesn't mean worship in blind faith.

In civil service, there are officers who will debate with him when something is not correct.

And LKY listen and sometimes reverse his decision.

No one is perfect.


7/6/24, 2:25 pm - +Rama: Very unfillial eldest son from my point of view!

7/6/24, 2:26 pm - +Frankie Wee: Therefore that people we know be thankful that we live today. 

What if Japan win over war how will be Singapore island become like what?

7/6/24, 2:26 pm - +Rama: Perfect is the respect of his wishes!


7/6/24, 2:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else our younger generations instead of improving will regress and become a wasteland.

一代不如一代。


7/6/24, 2:27 pm - +Rama: The millennium and z generations is a lost cause!


7/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Make sense we follow.

Don't make sense we change.

Not follow in blind faith.


7/6/24, 2:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Young generations agree with this statement?


7/6/24, 2:28 pm - +Rama: Who are we to decide for him!?


7/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The government of the day.


7/6/24, 2:29 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And I support because it make more sense.


7/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Frankie Wee: Bring in Singapore greatest new future generation without war. That’s memorial we have live better tomorrow and we have leaned much development economy and prosperity to ASEAN.

7/6/24, 2:29 pm - +Rama: Better that he was never born then!

7/6/24, 2:30 pm - +Nic Freehold: Exactly LKY don’t want any memorial after seeing how those after use memorial as tools to misguide

7/6/24, 2:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: Sad he was great leader

7/6/24, 2:31 pm - +Rama: Dammed the government of the day too!


7/6/24, 2:31 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Must as well erase all our history.


7/6/24, 2:32 pm - +Rama: Why must have physical memories!?


7/6/24, 2:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha ....


7/6/24, 2:32 pm - +Jimmy Chew: My.father never bring me anywhere. He only smokes and work. I don't smoke but I work very hard <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 2:33 pm - +Rama: Your father had his priorities.


7/6/24, 2:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think you are saying, all your loved ones erase the memory of you.

You ok with that?


7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Yes. That's a good idea.

They hv alredi done many such documentaries in the past.

But this next one can focus on the "Founders" .. each Founder , in turn, wat they did, how they contributed to the legacy of Singapore as it stands today, etc. 

So, besides LKY, u can hv Goh Keng Swee, Lim Kin San, Rajaratnam, Tom Chin Chye .... etc.

7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Rama: Then, do away with wills, lpa etc and just deal with how the living wants to treat the dead!?

7/6/24, 2:34 pm - +Frankie Wee: I think may be reason don’t bring bring up the memories because other country may take revenge there in return. 

Example since Japan war in Singapore need to ease


7/6/24, 2:35 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha....

So obviously you are not ok.

Same as memorial.


7/6/24, 2:35 pm - +Rama: No erase but never forget!

7/6/24, 2:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: Then China also want fair in return

7/6/24, 2:36 pm - +Rama: Let go what one cannot accept!


7/6/24, 2:36 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

If don't even have your pictures.

How do your grand grand children know how you look like?


7/6/24, 2:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Everything is grey

7/6/24, 2:37 pm - +Rama: Tap relevant expertise to put on canvas and write!


7/6/24, 2:39 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why, this is an emotional topic - everyone carried away by emotion because of LKY wish.

But if everyone settle down and keep the mind calm - it doesn't make sense to erase history.

All our future generations will lose big - because they won't know how Singapore emerge from an ash to our current greatness if we buried our history.


7/6/24, 2:40 pm - +Rama: But it does make sense to ignore his wishes!?

7/6/24, 2:41 pm - +Frankie Wee: Write on wall list name there will alway memories those live in sg

7/6/24, 2:42 pm - +Rama: Write on wall no need physical building like oxley gate!

7/6/24, 2:42 pm - +Rose M K Ho: We can hv One Memorial to commemorate All the Founders.

In this way, no need to argue who wants or doesn't want.

In fact, it shd be viewed as our current generation paying tribute to them.

Like us giving a 'surprise' bd party to our loved ones.  Do they get to choose? Of course not! 

I support also the argument tt we need to leave sth behind for our future gen.

History is so-called becoz ppl deliberately write abt wat is happening now, hv it documented,  and it stays over time , for ppl to know abt.

Likewise w the Memorial  -- it shd withstand time like the Kranji War Memorial has . <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 2:43 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Great!


7/6/24, 2:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I only respect logic, rational not blind faith.

This is what LKY teach us.


7/6/24, 2:45 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And he remove the demolition in his will after cabinet decided.

So he do respect cabinet of the day.


7/6/24, 2:46 pm - +Rose M K Ho: Since NHB is involved in this, I wud also expect ther to be high-tech stuff like VD glasses to view some of the documentaries abt these Founders -- here's wher the Mediacorp documentary wl be useful -- or even a diff viewpoint on other aspects of Singapore tt the Founders hv had a hand in ... like how they made a difference to Singapore on the International scene -- changed our status to the Little Red Dot & made us famous to the world!

7/6/24, 2:46 pm - +Rama: Nothing logical about his sane wishes!?


7/6/24, 2:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also my wishes is I want everything under the sun, how come no one respect my wishes ..

So sad....


7/6/24, 2:48 pm - +Frankie Wee: LKY said before that Singapore island may not enough space in future. He decided to demolition and let Singapore people will have place to live building nation


7/6/24, 2:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

His wish is sane.

But his logic is not.


7/6/24, 2:48 pm - +Rama: Convenient to talk now that he's long gone six foot under!?

7/6/24, 2:49 pm - +Rama: Wish he knew when he was alive!


7/6/24, 2:49 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh, he already knows that.

Because he changed his will after cabinet told him.


7/6/24, 2:50 pm - +Rama: On whose request or force to!?


7/6/24, 2:51 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well LKY is still very influential at that time.

If he doesn't want to change his will, no one can legally.


7/6/24, 2:51 pm - +Nic Freehold: Please note only fascist do that

7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Rama: Cohert possibly!?


7/6/24, 2:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Exactly.

So we cannot erase our history.


7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: He didn’t want Ho Chin Minh, Stalin, Reagan, idolisation

7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: Erasing means burning books and all data


7/6/24, 2:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Even powerful communist and our neighbors cannot coerce him if he don't want to.


7/6/24, 2:52 pm - +Nic Freehold: Your absolutist thinking is so unbuddha like

7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Did he want founders memorial and oxley gate to be done!?

7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: No

7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Rama: Government internally!?

7/6/24, 2:53 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/ is his legacy

7/6/24, 2:54 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Singapore's remarkable journey was pioneered by a visionary group of leaders, spearheaded by the indefatigable Lee Kuan Yew. LKY, a statesman of unwavering dedication and unrelenting passion, charted the nation's course with unerring vision and wisdom. Alongside him stood a team of equally dedicated and talented individuals, including Dr. Goh Keng Swee, Mr. S. Rajaratnam, and Dr. Toh Chin Chye, among others.


7/6/24, 2:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well I support the memorial because it will serve our future generations well.

We respect the founders wish, but we need to think for the greater good for our future generations.

I am sure the founders understand.


7/6/24, 2:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

So that we will not lose any part or details of our history.

Else we will be like Stonehenge - make by aliens.


7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Together, they formed a formidable team that tackled the daunting challenges of nation-building with courage, creativity, and perseverance. Their collective leadership and statesmanship transformed Singapore from a fledgling nation to a modern, thriving metropolis.

LKY's leadership was instrumental in shaping Singapore's destiny. His unwavering commitment to good governance, economic development, and social cohesion laid the foundation for the nation's success. His innovative policies and programs, such as the establishment of the Economic Development Board and the Housing and Development Board, propelled Singapore's rapid industrialisation and urbanisation.

7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Rama: Easy to assume once they are dead!

7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: For his personally family matter but for Singapore memories history can’t erasing how we remember Malaysia separation Singapore without defence and nation

7/6/24, 2:56 pm - +Frankie Wee: LKY was there tear

7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +Rama: Fake!?

7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +Frankie Wee: Huh… wait

7/6/24, 2:57 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Plesse also look at SM Lee Hsien Loong's eyes!

7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Rama: Good acting skills!?

7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Nic Freehold: This was to answer Danny absolute rhetoric.

7/6/24, 2:58 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://youtu.be/UET6V4YnAwc?si=G0Fn-7-ey-7bAgUJ

7/6/24, 2:59 pm - +Nic Freehold: We have enough LKY memorials but not enough Dr Goh Keng Swee and others.

It was a team effort.

7/6/24, 3:00 pm - +Rama: This is genuine beyond the core of a human being!

7/6/24, 3:00 pm - +Rama: Agree but the whole pioneer team too!

7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: https://youtu.be/YqvULAMqkBg?si=YsBFkzn6w6wkE1VV


7/6/24, 3:01 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That's why founders memorial is to restore all the founders and the history.


7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Dr. Goh Keng Swee, a brilliant economist and strategist, played a crucial role in shaping Singapore's economic landscape. His expertise in economic development and finance helped create a robust and resilient economy.

7/6/24, 3:01 pm - +Rama: I won't miss him!

7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: David Marshall?


7/6/24, 3:02 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Memorial is the whole team.

Oxley is the cabinet team meeting that secure Singapore Independence.


7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Rama: Controversial

7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Mr. S. Rajaratnam, a seasoned diplomat and statesman, played a key role in shaping Singapore's foreign policy and international relations. His wisdom and experience helped navigate the nation through complex geopolitical waters.

7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Frankie Wee: He learned from his father there is not much power can change

7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Dr. Toh Chin Chye, a distinguished scientist and educator, contributed significantly to Singapore's scientific and educational development. His leadership in these fields helped create a knowledge-based economy and a highly educated population.

7/6/24, 3:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: We could have more growth 1985-2000 if he stayed instead of going to China

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Rama: The current population in general have no respect for the pledge!

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The first generation of leaders' legacy continues to inspire and motivate Singaporeans today. Their selfless dedication, visionary leadership, and unwavering commitment to the nation's progress have earned them a special place in the hearts of Singaporeans.

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: Founders’

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: Danny worries about erasing history

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Nic Freehold: So all should be stated

7/6/24, 3:03 pm - +Rama: He said then, release unconditionally the cpf once we reach 55!

7/6/24, 3:04 pm - +Rama: Government will not have it!


7/6/24, 3:04 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Good you agree with me.


7/6/24, 3:04 pm - +Nic Freehold: Sad! Also blame the Chee Ko Pek men so go batam got tricked of all their money

7/6/24, 3:05 pm - +Rama: Agree but the women there wised up eventually!

7/6/24, 3:05 pm - +Nic Freehold: I agree w substance not talk about black holes and 3 kingdoms irrelevant hocus pocus


7/6/24, 3:05 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha....


7/6/24, 3:06 pm - +Nic Freehold: $236M and that piece of prime land could fetch us $2-3 billion in land revenue and taxes


7/6/24, 3:06 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Good diversion.


7/6/24, 3:07 pm - +Nic Freehold: so you been diverting our attention away from important matters sigh


7/6/24, 3:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Not exactly, it is bringing an analogy.


7/6/24, 3:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

That history is important.


7/6/24, 3:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

While siphoning emotion away - to leave logic behind.


7/6/24, 3:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: Singapore policies and infrastructure are advance and innovative

7/6/24, 3:09 pm - +Nic Freehold: Because of dialectic debate that improve thinking

7/6/24, 3:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: Watch movie the machine time

7/6/24, 3:10 pm - +Frankie Wee: How the past return to the future end era


7/6/24, 3:11 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.

Never erase history.

Learn from it.

So we don't make the same mistake or reinvent the wheel.


7/6/24, 3:21 pm - +Nic Freehold: We need to have a Dr Goh memorial because the Sg institutions we have many starts from him

7/6/24, 3:22 pm - +Rama: The architect of our economic success and miracle to a first word country!

7/6/24, 3:23 pm - +~l or Smiley face: 7 June, 2024

"A Nation's Pride: Stories of Resilience and Progress"

"Imagine a place where the past meets the future, where stories come alive, and where hearts and minds are inspired. The Founder's Centre is more than just a museum! It's a journey through time, a celebration of resilience, and a tribute to the visionaries who shaped our nation....


7/6/24, 3:23 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't disagree, he started defense industry, saf, Jurong industrialisation, economy, finance and many others.

He is LKY very strong cabinet minister. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Nic Freehold: Another founders memorial would be LKY overshadow everything

7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Rama: Was the government intention only to focus on one founder!?

7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Nic Freehold: that’s why $236M state funds unnecessary


7/6/24, 3:24 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Founders memorial is everyone in the team if I am not wrong.


7/6/24, 3:24 pm - +Rama: Incorporate all relevant into the upcoming one!?


7/6/24, 3:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the memorial will be a tourist spots that earn tourists revenue - to refresh our tourists attractions.


7/6/24, 3:25 pm - +Jimmy Chew: This message was deleted

7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Jimmy Chew: Yes

7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Rama: I support only if the entire founding cabinet members are included!


7/6/24, 3:26 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think so.


7/6/24, 3:26 pm - +Rama: I hope so!

7/6/24, 3:30 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.foundersmemorial.gov.sg/shapeourmemorial/en/foundersmemorial

7/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: It’s good start Singapore will building

7/6/24, 3:31 pm - +Frankie Wee: As for USA has many history founders memorial history since 1880


7/6/24, 3:32 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Very good memorial.

Better than reading books.

Our current generation and descendants will definitely learn many history lessons.


7/6/24, 3:32 pm - +Frankie Wee: It will be Ai in future


7/6/24, 3:33 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 👍


7/6/24, 3:35 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.nlb.gov.sg/main/article-detail?cmsuuid=f7a6b198-ea18-4163-a930-e07d2507a15b

7/6/24, 3:36 pm - +Frankie Wee: Yusof bin Ishak is first president in Singapore 1965 independent

7/6/24, 3:37 pm - +Jack Sparrow: I am supportive on the efforts to document our history since our separation but I wonder why can't it be exhibited in National Mueseum of Singapore as a permanent exhibit. It seems like Gov wants to raise an infrastructure at the reclaimed land and finding a purpose for it.

National Museum makes more sense to me as it is at the heart of our city, with Padang nearby and some other iconic structures. 

If we want to raise a structure at the reclaim land, it can be another exhibition, concert, recreational or family space. Afterall it is located within a park, where most people and families will probably be dressed down. Calling it 'Founders Memorial' denote some tragic events or worshiping of individuals, which I don't think that is intention. Which I think the name gave rise to some of the comments here.


7/6/24, 3:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless serious scholars or those serious readers who want to know more.

Else many people won't read such a serious article without zzzzZZZZ.

That's why I am asking how many youngster read the forefathers memoirs?


7/6/24, 3:37 pm - +Rama: 🤷‍♂️

7/6/24, 3:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: Leave it history in future as this stone of memories

7/6/24, 3:38 pm - +Frankie Wee: Somebody want to know how Singapore start developing

7/6/24, 3:39 pm - +Rama: A little tiny dot success story!

7/6/24, 3:39 pm - +Frankie Wee: True


7/6/24, 3:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

National museum so small.

I only visit once when I was young and no longer going there.

Museum exhibits other things as well - cannot get a good grasp of our nation buildings.

Also don't see alot of tourist going to museum.


7/6/24, 3:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: So far I can’t see 3000 but leave it as stone ppl will read them

7/6/24, 3:40 pm - +Frankie Wee: I am present 2024

7/6/24, 3:41 pm - +Rama: Tourism board and MOE have a lot to make up for!

7/6/24, 3:41 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "With deepest gratitude and humility, we acknowledge the collective excellence that has made our SG a reality. Credit where credit is due; 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G leadership and our people, our shared heritage and shape a brighter future. Together, we honor our past, cherish our present, and inspire generations to come."

-- anonymity

"ASEAN country's Foreign Direct Investment" (FDI)

2024:

- Brunei: $856 million (Jan-Feb 2024)

- Cambodia: $1.37 billion (Jan-Mar 2024)

- Indonesia: $6.1 billion (Q1 2024)

- Laos: $326 million (Jan-Feb 2024)

- Malaysia: $5.4 billion (Q1 2024)

- Myanmar: $345 million (Jan-Mar 2024)

- Philippines: $2.1 billion (Q1 2024)

- Singapore: $14.4 billion (Q1 2024)

- Thailand: $4.2 billion (Q1 2024)

- Vietnam: $4.3 billion (Q1 2024)

 2022:

- Brunei: $683 million

- Cambodia: $2.16 billion

- Indonesia: $19.15 billion

- Laos: $435 million

- Malaysia: $12.97 billion

- Myanmar: $613 million

- Philippines: $3.98 billion

- Singapore: $99.66 billion 

- Thailand: $12.81 billion

- Vietnam: $15.67 billion

2022:

- FDI inflows into ASEAN reached an all-time high at $224 billion in 2022.

- Intra-ASEAN FDI also continued to expand further to $28 billion in 2022.

- The share of ASEAN FDI to the global FDI has also increased to 17 percent from the 15 percent level in 2021.

- Despite a 12 percent decline in global FDI flows to $1.3 trillion, ASEAN remained a top FDI recipient.

- The robust growth in manufacturing investment, and the increased interest in sectors related to energy transition, digital economy, wholesale and retail trade are among the key drivers of these strong investment trends.

https://asean.org/book/asean-investment-report-2023/


7/6/24, 3:44 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Overseas memorials are very grand.

I visited Taiwan one, see documentation on China one, saw US Hawaii memorial the pearl harbor - didn't feel like a tragic events.

It aptly display its history - with visual impact - better than reading a book and then forget most of it. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 3:45 pm - +Rama: We have a lot of catching up to do!


7/6/24, 3:46 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I can assure you, I think we won't regret it after we build and visit the memorial.

It is definitely more worthwhile than going casino.


7/6/24, 3:47 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

It make us feel proud of our heritage - who we are, why we are here, and what lessons we learn.


7/6/24, 3:47 pm - +Rama: If it meets my expectations


7/6/24, 3:48 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Let see...


7/6/24, 3:48 pm - +Rama: Long overdue

7/6/24, 3:50 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Historical Realities:

Singapore's journey began over 700 years ago, with the establishment of the Kingdom of Singapura in 1299. The island's strategic location and natural harbour made it an attractive trading post, with merchants from China, India, and Southeast Asia visiting its shores. As trade and commerce flourished, Singapore became a melting pot of different races and cultures. Chinese immigrants arrived from the 14th century onwards, followed by Indians, Malays, and Eurasians. Each community brought with them their unique customs, languages, and beliefs, shaping the nation's multiracial fabric...


7/6/24, 3:52 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Our museum no matter how we refurbished will not have the same effect - probably 10% of it.

If you visit overseas one, it can be overwhelming.

I and my wife visited the pearl harbor memorial - many visitors.

As we go through halfway, my wife tears flow and I also a bit overwhelmed with emotion - can imagine how the soldiers sustain the sinking of many big ships.

We stand and watch a sunk ship guarded by 2 Marines.

Very emotional.

Never forget the WW2. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 3:54 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Imagine if don't have such memorial, our future generations will happy go lucky - forgot about history.

And then WW 3 erupted....


7/6/24, 3:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

"World War 3 has already started.

Andrew Fox"

 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/world-war-3-already-started-134313735.html#:~:text=Opinion-,World%20War%203%20has%20already%20started,Andrew%20Fox,-Thu%2C%206%20June


7/6/24, 3:55 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

See what happens....

Humans didn't learn from history.


7/6/24, 4:00 pm - +REACH: *📢 Topic 📢*

7/6/24, 4:02 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Understood. What I meant was National Museum should be for national history. If its small, run-down, then it is about upgrading it. If the visitorship is low, then it is about promoting it.

From what I see from the FM website, the documentation of history is going to be in an exhibition gallery? Then no difference putting it in National Museum. Furthermore, the location/ architecture is not really related to our founding history as compared to City Hall, as compared to other national memorials in other countries.

Again, no objection documenting our history. Only the place to do so and whether FM will accept visitors in bikes, scooters, and sweat 😅  If yes, then agree we can potentially expose our history to more Singaporeans (_looking for aircon after a family fun activity_) as compared to National Museum that is located in city and most Singaporeans don't go to.

7/6/24, 4:06 pm - +Nic Freehold: Have you been to extension


7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think the new one will be very different.

I have seen a couple of overseas one.

No matter how to upgrade the national museum - its size, its architecture will not be able to have the same effect.

Marina bay is a vast empty land.

Looking at the virtual tour - I think the new one effect will be quite close to those into overseas.


7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I have not.


7/6/24, 4:07 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Oh I have been to the Peranakan one.

Also very small.


7/6/24, 4:08 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This one will have the effects I see from overseas.


7/6/24, 4:10 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

And I am quite sure, this will be a crowd pullers for not only local tourists but also overseas tourists.

Definitely, will earn tourism revenue. A new tourist spots. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 4:14 pm - +~l or Smiley face: "Get ready for a World-Class and out-of-this-world experience that's uniquely SINGAPORE!

-- anonymity

7/6/24, 4:16 pm - +Jack Sparrow: Anyway, ground breaking done so won't shift. 😄

Broader point is rejuvenating City Hall area since we have many iconic structures there.


7/6/24, 4:17 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I don't disagree.


7/6/24, 4:24 pm - +Andy: 2028 I'm looking forward to visiting the memorial with my family hopefully if I have grandchildren I will bring them too. Hopefully no fees needed for citizens and PRs.

May I suggest schools to have a field trip to the memorial and learn about our history.

As for tourists, I think they will be very keen to visit and don't mind paying entrance fees.


7/6/24, 4:25 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hmm...

If free for locals I don't mind.

Hahaha...

Money not enough. <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 4:27 pm - +Rama: What is the various rates for entrance fees!?

7/6/24, 4:27 pm - +Rama: Ask Jack Neo!


7/6/24, 4:27 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

I think not determine yet.

Too early.


7/6/24, 4:28 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hahaha...


7/6/24, 5:20 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors*

We want to *HEAR* from you! 

💬 *What are your views on the construction of the Founders’ Memorial? How can we continue to commemorate Singapore’s nation-building journey?* 

We have had good feedback from this group, and we hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

7/6/24, 5:32 pm - +Nic Freehold: To commemorate, name the Long Island after Goh Keng Swee which if maybe made of 2 parts,  then 1 after Rajaratnam

7/6/24, 5:33 pm - +Nic Freehold: We have Marina Square, South and East which transport wise is far apart if confused.

7/6/24, 5:34 pm - +Nic Freehold: Name Marina East after Toh Chin Chye?

7/6/24, 5:34 pm - +Nic Freehold: SUTD means can have Toh Chin Chye school of xxxxx

7/6/24, 5:35 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Lim Kim San, a visionary leader and dedicated statesman, transformed Singapore's landscape with his innovative vision. His tireless efforts in housing, urban planning, and economic growth have left a lasting legacy, inspiring generations to strive for excellence. His contributions will always be remembered and cherished, a true testament to his wisdom and leadership.

7/6/24, 5:36 pm - +~l or Smiley face: The summit of Singapore's first generation of leaders, led by Lee Kuan Yew, has left an indelible mark on the nation's history. Their visionary leadership, unwavering dedication, and collective statesmanship have created a modern, prosperous, and harmonious society. Their enduring legacy continues to inspire future generations, ensuring that Singapore remains a beacon of hope and progress for generations to come.

The Founder's Project offers a unique opportunity to showcase Singapore's rich history and cultural heritage. The proposed exhibits and technologies will work together to create an immersive and engaging experience for visitors. By exploring Singapore's history in more depth, the essay demonstrates a richer understanding of the nation's complex history, achieving a higher grade.

Singapore's history is a testament to the nation's resilience and progress. From its humble beginnings as a trading post to its current status as a modern, industrialised nation, Singapore has come a long way. The Founder's Project offers a unique opportunity to showcase this history and inspire future generations. With careful planning and execution, this project can be a resounding success and a source of pride for Singaporeans.

7/6/24, 5:36 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.rsis.edu.sg/

7/6/24, 5:37 pm - +Nic Freehold: Foreign Minister so can name 1 Changi terminal after Rajaratnam

7/6/24, 5:38 pm - +Nic Freehold: We cherish founders but if the narrative is PAP centred without David Marshall, etc then my plans saves tax payer $236M

7/6/24, 5:41 pm - +Nic Freehold: And saving money for a rainy day is what PAP original founders prerogative. Not another white elephant

7/6/24, 5:42 pm - +Nic Freehold: Turf City is huge. David Marshal Avenue, road signs is a must spend, just what is printed

7/6/24, 5:44 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Change Turf City name to Founders' City with Street names after our founders?

7/6/24, 5:44 pm - +Nic Freehold: Exactly because we need street names

7/6/24, 5:45 pm - +Nic Freehold: Singaporeans have problems w Compassvale which mean nothing

7/6/24, 5:46 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Each of these street sign comes with unique "face" of each founder?

7/6/24, 5:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: https://www.ricemedia.co/singaporeans-speak-on-singapores-confusing-place-names/

7/6/24, 5:49 pm - +Nic Freehold: Solve problems and save money

7/6/24, 5:52 pm - +Frankie Wee: Singaporean are proud to live better

7/6/24, 5:54 pm - +Frankie Wee: https://www.visitsingapore.com/travel-tips/about-singapore/

7/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Nic Freehold: Jurong area so many new MRT stations

Cross island line so many stations that need names. 

Police academy estate need names

7/6/24, 5:55 pm - +Frankie Wee: New creation place

7/6/24, 5:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: Memorial plates in each station more likely to be read and known then an isolated area

7/6/24, 5:57 pm - +Nic Freehold: How many Singapore went up super treees?

7/6/24, 5:58 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Ong Pang Boon

7/6/24, 5:59 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Ahmad Mattar

7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Rama: Jek Yoon Tong

7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Othman bin Wok

7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Rama: Othman Wok

7/6/24, 6:00 pm - +Nic Freehold: Mattar station is a good example

7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Nic Freehold: Downtown line

7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Chua Sian Chin

7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I thought he is against his home being museum because of what he saw in Shakespeare home? I think he's okay with civic walk

7/6/24, 6:01 pm - +Nic Freehold: Instead of wasting money on that Marina naming contest

7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +Rama: Ong Pang Boon

7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Yong Nyuk Lin

7/6/24, 6:02 pm - +Nic Freehold: Ngiam stadium for new sports hub at TPYH

7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: You never know citizens may have aore meaningful design than the professional. Look at the after effects of the Vietnam memorial in the US after it was built

7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +~l or Smiley face: This message was deleted

7/6/24, 6:03 pm - +Jimmy Chew: I am all for citizens to be involved

7/6/24, 6:04 pm - +Jimmy Chew: We should start with the pioneers

7/6/24, 6:04 pm - +~l or Smiley face: E W Barker

7/6/24, 6:05 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Reimagining A Digital Odessey:

"Get ready for a World-Class and out-of-this-world experience that's uniquely SINGAPORE!

-- anonymity

Introducing 'Singapore: Journey Through Time': an immersive VR/ AR/ AI adventure that takes you on a thrilling ride through Singapore's past, present, and future.

This immersive VR/ AR/ AI experience takes you on a journey from Singapore's humble beginnings to its current status as a modern, vibrant nation.

Explore the lives of commoners and leaders alike, and witness pivotal moments in Singapore's history come to life. Interactive exhibits and AI-driven simulations let you engage with the past, while AR enhancements bring historic sites and landmarks into the present.

Discover how Singapore's leaders shaped the nation's future, and explore the challenges and triumphs that have defined its journey. From traditional kampongs to modern skyscrapers, experience the transformation of a nation.

But that's not all ! Our Virtual AI capabilities headsets will also transport you to the future, showcasing what Singapore will be like in 2050, 2100, and beyond! Get a glimpse of the nation's vision for a sustainable, innovative, and connected future that's truly out of this world.

Join us on this journey through time and discover the Singapore spirit ! A world-class and out-of-this-world experience that's uniquely SINGAPORE! Learn about the country's remarkable progress, its people's resilience and determination, and the vision that has driven Singapore to become the modern, thriving nation it is today, and shall be tomorrow!

7/6/24, 6:06 pm - +~l or Smiley face: HH Wee Chong Jin

HH Yong Pung How (apologises typo error)

7/6/24, 6:08 pm - +~l or Smiley face: Past Presidents of Singapore

7/6/24, 6:10 pm - +Rama: Including Devan No Alcohol I Resigned Nair!?


7/6/24, 6:12 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

All the names will appear in the memorial at one place - and highlights their contribution so that future generations know the history.

Naming each one in one road - how to relate the history?


7/6/24, 6:22 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

This founder memorial will be NHB most significant project to date.

As it will display, document, and inspire our many generations down the road - how Singapore is build - and how they have are brought up in Singapore - by all the forefathers blood and sweat.

A very significant and consequential project to date indeed.


7/6/24, 6:24 pm - +Kel Li: So nice that a incident ON some one left early have occur about memorial D-day in France now. When a person don't even know about history will have issue . Having a memorial is as good as a white elephant if no one know the meaning of it. Or even a insult to history  in long run. Next good example is NS square it laughing stock . naming someone after a road must be national hero not just pioneer. <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 6:29 pm - +Kel Li: Even without any memorial  , ppl goes back to France beach every 5 years for the reason. Only a vaild reason or even a cause , ppl will auto go there one. <This message was edited>

7/6/24, 6:33 pm - +Kel Li: Best example if u now grab anyone ( those below 30 ) on the street ask them which is WW1 memorial  , which one is WW2 ?  Which one is lim bo seng one.

7/6/24, 6:34 pm - +Rama: You get blur sotong look!😳

7/6/24, 6:36 pm - +Kel Li: Anyone visited Kanji one ? Even now u ask who is Lieutenant Adnan , i doubt these new citizen or even younger generation  know as well.

7/6/24, 6:37 pm - +Rama: 😳🤷‍♂️


7/6/24, 6:37 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

The one that lead a Malay regiment that fought the Japanese - refuse to surrender even when overran.


7/6/24, 6:38 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

He is another hero after Lim bo Seng.


7/6/24, 6:39 pm - +Kel Li: have you go to ford factory or even the SAF place at Joo koon ?

7/6/24, 6:39 pm - +Kel Li: it totally no ppl


7/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence congregating all the historical facts in the founder memorial - will be the best place to tell the Singapore story.


7/6/24, 6:40 pm - +Rama: Ford Factory was the place of the surrender!?


7/6/24, 6:40 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes.


7/6/24, 6:40 pm - +Kel Li: u go there u see got ppl or not?


7/6/24, 6:41 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

Because it all started from sang nila utama and sir Stamford raffles at marina bay - around there call temasek.


7/6/24, 6:42 pm - +Kel Li: Even u see there a guided bus to BBQ hill ( can see Jurong island )  in SG , no one interested right? not sure still in operate <This message was edited>


7/6/24, 6:42 pm - ☸️  Danny 心: 

A founder memorial in Marina bay is a good "start" - the beginning of modern Singapore.


7/6/24, 6:43 pm - +Rama: 😳

7/6/24, 6:44 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

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7/6/24, 6:59 pm - +REACH: *Dear Contributors,*

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After thoughts :-

I: 
Difference between annihilation (灭) or destruction vs void (Emptiness) (空) or attainment (Nirvana).

Is 一线之差 (a thin fine line) between 魔道 or 佛道。(Mara or Devil vs Buddha).

Annihilation refer to demolishing of Form (色) - destruction.

Void refer to attainment of Emptiness (空) in mental state. 
Eradication of 贪嗔痴慢疑 - greed, hatred, ignorance, arrogant, distrust. (Void in mental state not physical state - which is annihilation).

If a body is destroyed - can a person survive to attain void in mental state?
Obviously no.

Hence suicide bombers bomb themselves thought can attain void - actually descend into hell - annihilation (魔道).

Likewise demolishing of heritage is also annihilation. 
If heritage anyhow demolished, history lost, future generations make the same mistake, reinvent the wheel, losing the values and knowledge of the forefathers - drop into annihilation path - 魔道。Because many generations of millions and millions of population lose the knowledge and values of our forefathers to make us successful and safe.

If Earth or Universe is annihilated - can beings survive?
Obviously no.

Then how to attain mental void?
空 - which is non-attachment to the 5 unwholesome evil roots?

Hence must have 色 to have 空。
空 to have 色。Form=Emptiness.
Emptiness=Form.

Literal translation of 经 is wrong - only Enlightened know the intricacies of 空。

Demolishing 色 (form) is 魔。
Attaining 空 (in mental state) is 佛。

Hence 佛 或 魔 is 一线之差。


I: 
盛法 - 佛生。
相法 - 法轮。
末法 - 佛像。

The Dharma of the Flourishing Age - Buddha's birth.
The Dharma of the Appearance - Dharma Wheel.
The Dharma of the Ending Age - Buddha's image.

I:
Similarly, Forefathers should have similar system to preserve our Heritage and prevent from loss - that could benefits generations and generations of our future descendants.

1. Forefather's birth and contribution
2. Forefather's system
3. Forfather's Heritage and Memorial.


I: Yesterday majority participants say want to fulfill LKY wish.
No memorial, demolished oxley.
I almost single handedly 力挽狂澜 扭转乾坤。
Turn over all the negative sentiment around and support the memorial.
Yesterday 打的很辛苦。
But a good outcome.

I: If not, everyone drop into annihilation path - 魔道。