REACH 457 -  In light of the recent scams, how have you changed the way you utilise digital services? How do you think we can better protect and support Singaporeans to act against scams?

(SK)

 22 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

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[10:51 am, 22/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

In the past week, a police report has been lodged over an unofficial Police@SG app hosted on a third-party app-hosting website, and a warning against new phishing scam variant involving fake ScamShield app has been issued. The police also urged the public to stay vigilant by not granting permission to persistent pop-ups that request access on a device, among other things. 

💬 In light of the recent scams, how have you changed the way you utilise digital services? How do you think we can better protect and support Singaporeans to act against scams?

📌 Phishing Scam involving fake ScamShield App

This scam involves the sale of food via social media platforms (e.g. Facebook). The scammers would then send a link to the victim and tell him to use it to download an app to make payment for the food items. Unauthorised transactions will be made from the victim’s bank accounts or credit cards. Thereafter, scammers will contact the victim posing as bank staff, claim to be following up on fraudulent transactions and recommend the victims to download the fake ScamShield app using a URL they provide, on the pretext of getting the victim to safeguard himself against scams.

📌 Fake Friend Call Scam

You receive a call from a “friend”. You are asked to guess the caller’s name and save the new number. You are then asked to provide financial assistance a few days later. 

📌 Investment Scam

You are offered an investment with very high returns. 

📌 E-Commerce/Property Rental Scam involving impersonation of real estate agents or authorised personnel

You see a deal online for a property rental on various advertising sites. The agent or “authorised personnel” asked for payment (deposit) even before physical viewing of the property. 

📌 E-Commerce/Concert Tickets Scam

You see third-party resellers online offering sale of concert tickets. Seller would claim that the ticket sales are time-sensitive or have limited availability to convince buyers into making advanced payment for the tickets. 

In 2022, scam victims in Singapore lost $660.7 million, up from $632 million in 2021, bringing the total to almost $1.3 billion lost in two years.

There were 31,728 scam cases reported in 2022, up from 23,933 cases in 2021.

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/police-warn-against-new-phishing-scam-variant-involving-fake-scamshield-app

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/phone-compromised-after-scam-target-told-to-download-fake-scamshield-app

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/man-in-his-60s-loses-50000-after-scammer-claiming-to-be-his-kampung-friend-asks-to-borrow-money

[10:51 am, 22/05/2023] +REACH: [For Info]

❗️If you think scammers have a type, think again.

🔁Share this message with your loved ones!

ACT now against scams: go.gov.sg/actagainstscams.

Or visit www.scamalert.sg/ for more information.

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[10:56 am, 22/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: I nearly got scammed because I was busy and clicked a link while rushing for my project deadline. So I am not sure if the government would look deeper into the psychology of why people got  scammed rather than just warnings. Is there something in the old folks or others to make them click the link. Seems the scammers are more hardworking in understanding the audience than the authorities hahahaha

[11:00 am, 22/05/2023] +Poh S Lim: I agree. Scammers use psychology in order to prey on those vulnerable such as ignorant, easily scared or greedy people, in order to perpetrate their crimes.

[11:29 am, 22/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Education is key. Rather than just "warnings" give examples of how people got scammed on TV, radio, cartoons, etc.

Recently I saw a good poster about job scams.  Instead of printing "Be careful about Job scams etc etc", the poster wrote "if they ask u for money up front, it's a scam".

[11:32 am, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Sound too good to be true 

When scam smart action.

Do not try to be dream rich

Do not be greed they offer 

Do not trust or believe whatever 

Do not give personal details.

[11:32 am, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Everything is mind money to rich after they scam too later

[11:33 am, 22/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Another area is consistency of Singpass 2FA interface.

Old people sometimes to don't have smart phones or scared to download singpass app.  

They only use SMS.

However, for non-government entities who use Singpass for authentication, the SMS 2FA option is not available.  Entities just like insurance companies, NTUC, MSIG are examples.  They told me that Singpass SMS 2FA is not available to them.  Only for government agencies like CPF, ICA, HDB.

Initially, when I used NTUC/MSIG websites, I thought the singpass authentication section was hacked.

[11:34 am, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: They need to go senior Center committee

[11:37 am, 22/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: The SMS costs is minuscule compared to the amount of money people have lost to scams.

[11:38 am, 22/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Go there also no help if senior no smart phone.  Only rely on SMS for singpass 2FA.

[11:39 am, 22/05/2023] +Kenneth Lee WM: Hv to rely only on username/pswd in company's records

[11:52 am, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: They need to go senior group activity and share their experience.

If they are lonely it’s really touch to understand when scam will took them away money.

[0:11 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Some people may think SMS OTP is safe.

If SMS OTP land on the same smartphone that access the bank account - SMS OTP can be hijack and diverted away to hacker phones and hackers can access the victim bank account.

[0:24 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

REACH - Bank 2FA is not foolproof in protecting bank customer savings. Tackling the issue of money mules and prevent unsuspecting victims from bank transfer against their will.

11 May 2023

1. Tackling the money mules and unsuspecting victims from bank transfer against their will - currently bank rely on 2FA for bank transfer - that can be compromised by scammers in releasing their user id, password and 2FA - through malware and other means without the victims realising their bank savings are being stolen against their will.

2. However, if MAS mandate bank to do call back by bank personnel, or AI/robotic or branch verification - for all local and overseas bank transfer - then a scam cannot be pull off.

3. If local money mules are call back by banking staff or AI to verify if they intend to transfer their funds to overseas - and if they say yes - will be a strong evidence that they willingly perform as money mules and can be prosecuted in courts.

4. As for scam victims, if bank call back to verify the bank transfer, victims will straight away be alerted that an unauthorized transfer has been taking place - and the unauthorised transfer can be stopped immediately - and the scam will fail.

This is the most effective way to stop scam.

Now the onus fall heavily on the victim - and the current bank security features are not foolproof.

Also with more fail scam - less police efforts are needed to trace and prosecute scammers as all scams will fail with bank verification.

5. Even if scammers try to circumvent this bank personal check, by masquerading as bank calling the victims, victims will straight away be alerted that unauthorised transfer is taking place - and scammers will not be so stupid to do such verification.

6. Hence bank call back verification is "scam-proof", "foolproof" and "fail-safe" to stop all online scamming.

7. Wonder will MAS be seriously considering mandating bank call back verification for all bank transfer - to intercept and stop all online scams at its source?

8. Stopping scams must not be heavily weight on the onus of the bank customers.

9. It must be equally weighted on:-

a. MAS

b. Banks

c. Customers

Hence I believe bank call back verification is the only foolproof way to stop scam.

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[0:24 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

REACH - Current Bank 2FA is not foolproof in protecting bank customer savings. And the full onus of scam weight heavily on bank customers.

11 May 2023

1. Totally relying on online tools and online 2FA security features for bank transfer (local and overseas) - are not foolproof in the advent of AI and quantum computing.

As id, password, digital token, SMS OTP, biometric fingerprint, face recognition, email OTP - all fall into one device - the smartphone.

Once a malware compromise the handphone, multi- factor authentication = no authentication - because AI malware will easily disable biometric authentication or pick up all the password, pin etc from the smartphone.

The multiple factor authentication gives only superficial and false security assurance that can be hacked.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/this-new-android-malware-is-stealing-passwords-and-2fa-codes-what-you-need-to-know#:~:text=This%20new%20Android%20malware%20is%20stealing%20passwords%20and%202FA%20codes%20%E2%80%94%20what%20you%20need%20to%20know

2. Bank call back verification for all overseas and local bank transfer - serve as real 2 factor authentication - as without customer confirmation, all online transfer cannot be authorised and approved.

If the current bank security features 2FA are considered foolproof with the touted userid, password as 1FA and digital token or SMS OTP as 2FA.

Rightfully, scammers despite getting the 1FA userid and password -  cannot and shouldn't have acquire the 2FA - digital token or SMS OTP - to successfully login and access the bank account - if bank security is foolproof.

But the real fact is, scammers can acquire both the 1FA and 2FA through the compromise handphone - because bank online access allows all 1FA and 2FA to be landed on the same device - the victim handphone.

Previously, a hard token is issued to the customers. But now no longer the case - as banks increasingly use soft digital token or SMS OTP that land on the same handphone.

This is a security breach - according to the security best practices.

Hence if the customer are scam by malware or fool by scammers to release their 1FA, rightfully if security practices are tight, scammers will not be able to access the 2FA .

But bank online implementation make it do so.

So banks have equal accountability and responsibility - if a customer bank account is scam - and should have implemented a foolproof login process.

And if the bank account is breached due to the inadequacy of login security process, then banks should also have accountability to compensate customers for the loss suffer by the customers.

This means that if a scam victim sue in court if he/she got scammed even if the victim is wrong by releasing their id and password credentials or even 2FA via malware or fool by scammers - banks are still accountable if the victims has no wish to transfer their money to the scammers.

Because banks if do call back verification to check with the victim if the online transfer is authorised - and if the victim say no - the money will still be intact and not be scammed. The call back only requires 5 minutes - but go a long way to stop a scam.

By making the joint responsibility of banks and customers against scam - successful scam can be greatly reduced if not totally eliminated.

Then police involvement, prosecution, drastic rise in scam cases will not arise.

Why such a simple step not implemented?

In fact for the $1.3 billion scam victims, alot more time, manpower and resources are needed to trace, track, investigate by multi agencies hoping to recover the lost fund - a big portion cannot recover.

It cost alot more not only to banks, but also police, Telcos, IT experts, prosecutors, courts times, foreign affairs and so many others to nab the scam.

And yet victims suffer money loss and mental distress.

Not worth it to implement a slew of efforts to nab scam - as scam can in fact be stop at the source.

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[0:34 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://youtu.be/QxRy9sVUMQU

[0:43 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Scamshiew should be the default software installed on the new phone; continuing education and awareness of Scamshield. improve the ability of Scamshield to Blcok fake number in whatapps.

[0:49 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Package file is commonly used in Android. It is impossible to block all websites containing apk download pages. Users need to maintain their own responsibility by not downloading non legitimate software.

[0:51 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: All internet-connected or network-connected devices have the risk of being victimized by hackers.

[0:52 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: knowledge is the best form of firewall

[0:53 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: According to website search, Man in the middle technique is commonly use to intercept 2fa.

[0:54 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Setup copyright law

[0:55 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: On surface it may work, in reality, will both work?

[0:56 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Apple and Android?

[0:57 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think both.

But I noice more likely android unsecured

[0:57 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: This usually happen after the telco breach.. Isn't it?

[0:59 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Sorry, I mean enact a law, but hackers will Still continue to hack, right?

[0:59 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Perhaps so ..why so?

How about the play store?

[1:00 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I suspected the shop mobile which sale used (second handphone) technically are skill backup the data all the inform passwords unsecured

[1:01 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: All thing are in spy

[1:01 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Verifying the original ACCOUNT holder or no laws can apprehend these anonymous accounts? Or could stakeholders verify each account to a physical person+address?

[1:02 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: excessive desire?  Want to Make quick money?

[1:02 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Whenever you trade or dispose off your faulty or good condition phone, how to clean your phone to factory settings?

Will deep cleaning really helps?

[1:03 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Security apps only working on android and harmony os

[1:03 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi SL...

Greed and short cuts. Two temptations of modern human behaviors.

Thank you.

[1:03 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: How about the chip memory system if they are skill can backup all data file

[1:04 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Backdoors to android system

[1:04 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: R u refeting to state sponsor? Individual non high profile data is not common target in black mkt

[1:05 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Unless stakeholders use quantum computing coupled with advanced synthesis of Algo and analytics! It's a big capital investment plus the essential IT staffs to maintain and on the 24/7 ops!

All scams will continue to thrive!

[1:06 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: It is not the back door. Hardware and software manufacturers require continuous monitoring of the health of the devices/apps. Which is unfortunately explored by an unauthorised person.

[1:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: One thing first, each system update will send many of your data to the phone manufacturer!

[1:08 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Likewise, any apps asking users to update or upgrade; all data especially this app will be uploaded to the application.

[1:09 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Is like aspiring for Nuclear energy but lacking the nuclear scientists and staff!

So how to start a nuclear reactor?

[1:09 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://identitymanagementinstitute.org/sim-card-swapping-and-cell-phone-hijacking/

SIM CARD SWAPPING AND CELL PHONE HIJACKING

[1:09 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: The resources of Enforcement of the law in this focus point light be x times as compared to the effectiveness. Hackers don't verify account. Any domain can be set up by them.

[1:09 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Example when you use the app bitcoin wallet once u deleted there will still on activated. However clip may backup

[1:10 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: And trying to get all contact personal details 

Scam likely known their name or whatever

[1:11 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Use a hammer to physically destroy it is the highest level of security best practice

[1:11 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 100% destroyed but they want trade in $$$

[1:11 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: One way.

[1:12 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: How about apps developer?

[1:12 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Microsoft and Google may have the solution to all of these scams, spams and etc!

The old days of Norton and so on...

The Internet Police?

[1:13 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Yes, like a kickback, like a Dividend to them!

No free lunch!

Thanks, SL for bringing it up.

[1:14 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: The only way, I think, non-physical destroy on a phone is 80% clean, there is residual data sets if use software cleaning. I excluded those clould backup related topic because it will ruin everything discuss in this answers.

[1:14 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: So what are the best protocols to avoid all these unnecessary cheats and scams?

[1:14 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Cloud is another BIG LOOPHOLES!

[1:15 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Data is money?

[1:15 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: The user might need to trade he/she security appetite with trade-in amount that he/she is willing to accept.

[1:15 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Cloud is the money bank!

[1:15 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: No way to fix.... 🤣

[1:16 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: The most economical way is continue education and awareness and some IT control and law enforcement ?

[1:17 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: You sure? 🤭

[1:17 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: 9/10 users will trade in their old phones for the new ones!

Never in their mind to hammer or to bbq the old phones?

There is value for all these old phones that will be recycled or repaired to be resold to other less developed or developing countries!

Hopefully, scammers don't buy over these old phones?

[1:18 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: 🤣🤣

[1:18 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: IT control needs some knowledge.

[1:19 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Remotely you means?

[1:20 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Telco, anti virus company + govt agency?

[1:21 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: What if you are Microsoft or Google?

Are you pitching for the best AI or the most powerful chat?

In this chat, perhaps the developer will offer a Security package to SECURE all scams and spams?

After all, it is wise for either one to sell an internet security pack to all users including corporates?

Money making opportunities?

[1:22 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Will Microsoft or Apple or Google do an anti-virus pack?

[1:22 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Telco is a connector

[1:24 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: How then Norton sold the idea of an antivirus package!

Fear: fear of computer crashed and the lost of data!

[1:25 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: All control by IMDA

[1:25 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Norton is evil

[1:26 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: How to educate across all age groups, gender, race?

Awareness wise, many folks know there are scams on the net!

So how?

[1:26 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: I hope the retail shop does erase the data Securely and resets to factory mode ethically. Otherwise, residual data will fall into the wrong hands.

[1:26 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Wow!

How about other providers?

[1:27 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Integrity of the shop.

It can be a Telco shop or a neighborhood hp shop.

[1:29 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Are these patterns of sequential logic deployed by these scammers? Or are they operating on a blitz manners of hit and run?

[1:29 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Wow... You also observe how the Business world is. 😅 I think this topic abt the AI and 2 companies is too sensitive..  shall we stop here?

[1:31 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Usually, tech companies push out patches to fix coding vulnerabilities. Anti-virus software company taking care of antivirus.

[1:33 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: there are many many viruses out there. Hence antivirus is required. Another sensitive topic? 😅

[1:34 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: impossible to mitigate..scam and phishing email are targeting 3 elements of human weakness..fear, uncertainty and doubt

[1:35 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: or perhaps one more..greed

[1:35 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Continue via school, community projects, newspapers, tv shows, posters, events, cinema advertisements etc.

[1:36 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: The human handles these old phones that matter.

[1:37 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: From a criminology perspective, for this type of crime, scammer (group?) use all methods to increase the hit rate.

[1:38 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Greedy too..

[1:53 pm, 22/05/2023] +Anne: What I do:

1) Don’t share personal and family information including photos in social media unless necessary

2) I have two phones. One with only 1 banking app, the other to receive OTPs. My accounts at the banking app hold very little money, enough for normal transactions. My long term savings are not there. When I receive my income I will quickly transfer out my long term savings and pay my bills immediately. I may also prepay some of my bills that are not due yet. The other phone receiving the OTPs do not have any financial apps installed.

3) I do not store user ids and passwords on my phone and computer.

4) I do not pick up calls from unknown numbers. I do not click on links from unknown numbers.

5) I installed anti-virus and anti-malware and cleaning software from reputable companies on my computer and run them regularly.

6) I cover my video cam with a tape and only uncover it with I need to to video conferencing.

The idea behind what I do is I cannot totally prevent myself from getting scammed, but I can minimize the damage if I happened to get scammed.

[1:55 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: ChatIT #3 - How to identify, intervene and implement changes to almost every existential living environments?

How to test these critical identifications of early adaptations of becoming the future Digital normads? (thinking like Genghis?)

[2:00 pm, 22/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

In the past week, a police report has been lodged over an unofficial Police@SG app hosted on a third-party app-hosting website, and a warning against new phishing scam variant involving fake ScamShield app has been issued. The police also urged the public to stay vigilant by not granting permission to persistent pop-ups that request access on a device, among other things. 

💬 In light of the recent scams, how have you changed the way you utilise digital services? How do you think we can better protect and support Singaporeans to act against scams?

📌 Phishing Scam involving fake ScamShield App

This scam involves the sale of food via social media platforms (e.g. Facebook). The scammers would then send a link to the victim and tell him to use it…

[2:06 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: fake friend scam - always verify that is indeed your friend

[2:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: investment scam - anything that is too good to be true avoid it

[2:07 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Authenticator apps such as Singpass apps is safer than SMS OTP - cannot be intercepted by man in the middle attack.

Unless the victim smartphone is remotely controlled by hacker, than the authenticator apps won't help the victim.

[2:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: ecommerce scam/concert scam - again too good to be true

[2:08 pm, 22/05/2023] +Edwin: verify, verify and again verify

[2:09 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Likewise banks authenticator apps acting as digital token are safer than SMS OTP - as man in the middle attack cannot happen.

But if hacker remotely control victim handphone - then scam can still be carried out.

[2:23 pm, 22/05/2023] +Jimmy Chew: Anyone knows where thumb prints data are in the phone ? If so, once there's a phone takeover everything is there. They take over your phone when you're sleeping and use phone banking to do the needful

[2:25 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Biometric authentication can be disabled if malware take over the handphone.

[2:28 pm, 22/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: When u when to scam ppl you will

Plan…..

[2:30 pm, 22/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: That’s the point what scam wants was $$$$$ that’s what I share with all around me.

[2:45 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: 22 May, 2023

"It all started with a person or a group of people, no magic wane...!"

- - anonymity 

Perhaps, these hackers are unstoppable because there will always be one loophole to enter and transact!

So how to begin the beguine?

Key areas are banking, shopping and public services. These three big providers of services and goods must DESIGN a common layered security platform so much so to the extend of STANDARDIZING critical information policing through AI without third party especially not to "outsource" in parts or "friend source" in small portions these highly strategic data assets! All these security measures are temporary fencing because it will be hacked in just a matter of time and/or the ripe timing (embedded)! High flow of data and low volume both have vulnerable spots in the information highways. 

One exception to prevent hacking is a super computer with a highly sophisticated and unique machine "language" which the Chinese, the Russians, the Israelis and the Americans are currently driving their national securities from tradings to sensitive documents all secured in these deep "vaults" not in the clouds! Cloud computing can be simulated as well as easily compromised with breachable key attributes aka codes!

One final word, do we need to collaborate with the BEST to learn (from Denmark), to exchange infor and to proactively upgrade our dynamic systems?

     - - in progress - -

[3:12 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. I don't want to sound alarmist.

2. Even though 4G network is deem safe - because of authentication and encryption - touted to be safer than bluetooth, wifi etc.

3. But theorectically, the mobile 4G network has inherent vulnerailibilities at its layer 2 - the link layer.

4. Mobile 4G network is difficult to hack - but State hackers with intricate knowledge, skillsets and resources - can hack a 4G network by penetrating the layer 2 vulnerabilities.

a. Passive attacks - website fingerprinting.

b. Active attacks - aLTRe user data redirection, DNS spoofing

5. Of course such sophisticated mobile 4G hacking will not be directed to any man-in-the-street - mainly directed at highly prized individual.

6. Hence, to summarise, mobile network is not entirely safe.

Putting the onus entirely on the people, and putting the entire burden of the loss through hacking and scam on the people - is not entirely fair.

There must be some foolproof mechanism - which i have suggested - bank manual "call back verification" - for all oveseas and local bank transfer - is now the only safest way (2FA) to ensure people's money are not scammed, transfer away against their wish and authentic approval of bank transfer by the bank customers.

7. I can't think of any other "digital foolproof" method of authentication or ensuring people are not scam ----- if "digital only authentication" are used.

[3:13 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

https://alter-attack.net/

Hacking 4G network.

[3:19 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: 5G high speed than 4G / LTE

The world market going to fast transfer data. Next new 6G network 

I ensure whole world will developing new security.

Time for old user.

[3:20 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Internet banking is one big concern for the not so savvy and digitally fluent folks?

[3:21 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Perhaps, the future new phones will come with antiviral software apps, payable on an annual fees basis?

If one chooses not to renew the annuals, the risks of hacking will be real and more frequent too?

[3:23 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Business security for money

[3:25 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Higher paid jobs locally or abroad or part time jobs are areas for scammers to cheat the innocent people who are desperate to find a better pay job or second job or go overseas in hope to earn more money!

[3:25 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie,

Finding growth and profits!

Thanks for your pointer!

[3:29 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Anti-virus software not effective against passive and active hacking.

You will need IPS (Intrusion prevention system), siem (security incident and event management), apt (advanced persistent threat management system) to prevent hacking.

All these are out of reach for even many big organisations including MNC.

Only security organisation, government, home security and military have expertise, skillset and resources to manage it.

They are entirely out of reach and out of depth from the man in the street including IT workers.

[3:32 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

SingHealth network was attack by state hackers employing apt (advanced persistent threat) - it go undetected for months.

Reasonably, all the above security systems are not in place to detect such sophisticated state attack.

[3:41 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thanks Danny,

We all know now that stopping these scammers is almost impossible to neutralise and apprehend them.

So the next sensible and prudent for people or businesses ways are?

[3:45 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Bank call back for all bank transfer - overseas and local.

[3:47 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Else bank compensate all bank transfer loss if failure to do so.

[3:47 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

MAS mandate this

[3:47 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Compensate bank customers.

[3:55 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: All bank system can frozen their account when got alert scam from transfer and received large amounts.

CAD will reach investigation every monthly.

[3:56 pm, 22/05/2023] +Rama: Account freeze for local banks can be initiated by customers.

[3:58 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Possible imitation by customers but they can’t withdraw cash or transfer unit clear case closed.

[3:58 pm, 22/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[3:59 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I read the story malaysia got scam by moneylenders.

[3:59 pm, 22/05/2023] +Rama: Hugh!?

[4:00 pm, 22/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

In the past week, a police report has been lodged over an unofficial Police@SG app hosted on a third-party app-hosting website, and a warning against new phishing scam variant involving fake ScamShield app has been issued. The police also urged the public to stay vigilant by not granting permission to persistent pop-ups that request access on a device, among other things. 

💬 In light of the recent scams, how have you changed the way you utilise digital services? How do you think we can better protect and support Singaporeans to act against scams?

📌 Phishing Scam involving fake ScamShield App

This scam involves the sale of food via social media platforms (e.g. Facebook). The scammers would then send a link to the victim and tell him to use it…

[4:00 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: To top it off, Lisa was threatened into giving up her ATM card, and her account was used to transfer illicit funds. She was eventually given a conditional warning by the police for being a money mule.

Latest figures released by the police in August showed another increase in scams - 85 per cent up in the first half of 2022 compared to the same period last year - driving up the total reported cases of crime.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/scam-money-mule-loanshark-laundering-police-2918461

[4:04 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Three dimensional, geometric.

[4:06 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Geometric?

A line is one dimension

A cut and paste onto another page is one dimension 

A thumbprint is one dimension

A signature is one dimension 

A OTP is one dimension 

A 2FA is two dimensions

A QR code is two dimensions 

A Cubic is three dimensions

What if someone can breakthrough using dimensional ways of security logs?

Fourth dimension is related to electromagnetism, is impossible!

[4:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Starhub got a service on broadband shield or cybersecurity shield for PC and headphones. I agree that not all organisation is able to hire cybersecurity expertise. Ips and apt is an expensive gadgets. For those who really can afford, use the enterprise version of antivirus antimalware solution for own home, it give addition comfortable, if can buy the hardware firewall and ppoe.

[4:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +Suma pamu: Just wanted to share

My daughter Mobile number no ones knows except we parents.

But she got many scam calls and Whatspp msgs.

Who is actually sellling data

Many times we observed Its this Singtel Fellows sharing our mobile numbers

They are leaking the data

It happend few times alrdy

And How many number of scam calls i get 

Can not remember

All claiming govt agencies

This digital world is real crazy

How much we care, scammers learning new methods

[4:08 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: I means for home, it will reduce the opportunity of hackers lacking home network with enterprise version solution /hardware.

[4:08 pm, 22/05/2023] +Rama: Telco staff owe loan sharks so this is one way how they pay back their illegal loans

[4:09 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Staff is illegal borrowing unlicensed moneylender

[4:10 pm, 22/05/2023] +Suma pamu: 😳😳😳

[4:10 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Defense-in-depth under the nist framework is a good defense point.

[4:14 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Covering the build in camera is the basic hygiene. Auto update of virus signature is crucial and, importantly, performs routine scanning. To store password on a gadget, better use the reputable password manager software.

[4:15 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Hi ~😁, your question is?

[4:16 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: What's your answer? Chatmate?

[4:18 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: There is another risk : Remote recording by hacker and key loggers if the phone do not have proper patching and anti malware/virus

[4:28 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: There r commercial tools out there that can bypass fingerprint lock. If I remember correctly for Android, the fingerprint is stored in tee. Similar to iPhone.

[4:30 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Digital transaction still not 100% safe and foolproof.

[4:34 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Three dimensional show has 3rd time of paste and copy at same line multiple create and 4th final hide seek in point centre.

[4:35 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Three dimensional show has 3rd time of paste and copy at same line multiple create and 4th final hide seek in point centre.

[4:35 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Frankie,

Chatmate!

Thank you for SEEING it!

[4:36 pm, 22/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: But key point is a code where begin the begin line to open unknown

[4:36 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence I advocate a hybrid authentication procedure - Digital + manual.

Rather than totally relying on full digital Authentication and transaction.

[4:36 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: What if multidimensional microchips plus multiples sequencing taking from Fibonacci

[4:36 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Frankie, you are on the run!

Bravo!

[4:37 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: What is QR code?

[4:37 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Each dimension of length can be continuous or broken!

[4:37 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Frankie, please deep dive more!

You got it!

Thanks!

[4:38 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: How electric pulse flows...

0 or 1 or something more!

[4:40 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: In nano second....

[4:41 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: A P French, an Old MIT physics professor once wrote text on vibrations and pulse

[5:11 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Level 2 is just abv infra, it is the basic foundation of communication. There is no foolproof mechanism to eliminate all risks. We can only hope the current solution is able to managed the risk within the open system connection.

[5:13 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Hence cannot mandate digital transaction as  foolproof and make bank customers inherit the full loss in a scam bank transfer - as we know that all internet connection are not zero risk proof.

[5:20 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: IPhone only can work on enterprise version anti malware

[5:23 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: Apt usually is targeted and explored zero-day weaknesses. Generic commercial off the shelf is not able to detect it.

[5:23 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-website-for-residents-to-search-for-budget-meal-options-at-hdb-coffee-shops-near-the

Just to share some good news.

[5:23 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Budget meals go where.

https://www.gowhere.gov.sg/budgetmeal/search?sort=relevance

[5:25 pm, 22/05/2023] +SL: I do not understand the initial question you ask. Can you further clarify your question? Appriciated 🙏

[5:28 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To detect apt - they need high end security devices and systems to detect.

Skill security experts are needed to interpret possible penetration.

Normal IT professional may not be able to do so.

[5:30 pm, 22/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There are many false positives, false negatives and other scenarios that will confuse even IT professionals.

Only trained security experts who can look at anomaly and traffic patterns can map out and do forsenic to detect an apt has indeed taken place.

Of course now with the help of AI, the job may be easier.

[6:01 pm, 22/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

In the past week, a police report has been lodged over an unofficial Police@SG app hosted on a third-party app-hosting website, and a warning against new phishing scam variant involving fake ScamShield app has been issued. The police also urged the public to stay vigilant by not granting permission to persistent pop-ups that request access on a device, among other things. 

💬 In light of the recent scams, how have you changed the way you utilise digital services? How do you think we can better protect and support Singaporeans to act against scams?

📌 Phishing Scam involving fake ScamShield App

This scam involves the sale of food via social media platforms (e.g. Facebook). The scammers would then send a link to the victim and tell him to use it…

[6:07 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi SL,

22 May, 2023

(SL, is part of a longer essay written awhile back. Hope is useful to you and anyone?)

" When you change a structure and/or a matter into something new and new uses, you just created a new thing, a new way and a new idea. It's that simple!"

- - anonymity 

Big picture?

The bigger the idea is (problem), the more you need to work with more people, the breadth and the depth. And the bigger the problem is solved, the greater will be the rewards in the waiting; think empathy for your users and enriching them with your invention or creation than the temptation of monetary gains to no ending. When you got it all rite, at the end, you will be rewarded. Finally, redefined the possibilities and go for the impossibles; personifying these three exceptionals that is Bravery, Boldness and Creativity to see beyond the reality...

How to start it?

To create is to take a raw idea or a bunch of good ideas and build it into a marketable or workable solution to benefit as many people as it could bridge it. A broad extent, what are your intentions, your markets or target population and the list of challenges to solve and the benefits this creation will bring to it (or transform)?

The Breadth?

So how to get ideas...

Gather many people to generate Ideas of all spectrum from a clear and carefully defined parameters set by the creator. (Avoid GIGO-garbage in-garbage out)

From the preliminary raw scores of ideas, identify a finite group of individuals that deem to as the best among the pool of Ideas to proceed onto the next level of the creativity game.

The depth?

Focus and Zoom-in...

In this focus portion, the group game plan is to further and deepen these qualified ideas to form several prototypes of your ultimate creations. For product, these prototypes are the tangible and quantify model towards the final product to  scale.

The final stage is to select a handful of prototypes and purpose-built it and test it over and over with the selected and qualified idea contributors from the previous focus group. It is a see-saw approach mirroring the previous stages and importantly, not to lose sight of the original intent and the mission of this creativity exercise that is: to find the final solutions or the final products or the project. 

"Its over and done, if it's about the capacity of the human memory and the functions?"

- - anonymity 

Today, there is an urgent task to embrace and empower all of our students to know what is bots, robots and algorithm and coding and how to use the various digital tools to productive use. From basic knowledge onto higher machine learnings, deep learnings, advanced coding and maintenance of systems, automations including robots; all of these require a sets of different techniques and it will be highly technical especially for those who need to operate with the highest precision of productions in pursuing exceptional results and out of the world breakthroughs in future technological capabilities such as digital-mechanical-biochem-materials.

     - - chatIT #2  - -

[6:27 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: How can we merge the existing old school of thoughts with the new digital ways of doings and a new knowledge base, that's itself transformation?

[6:28 pm, 22/05/2023] +~N: 1. PDPA needs the be taken seriously. There should be no unauthorized access of personal data or contacts in all public and private organizations across all levels of staff. There should also be control over which type of organizations or business has reasons to request for personal information/permission access.

2. Banking industry to improve on digital verification and trace of monetary transfers.

3. SingPass access for senior citizens can be linked to NOK alert trigger. It is not uncommon for senior citizens to simply pass their access to whoever they think can help them without realizing the risk.

[6:33 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: One good way to cut down exposures, that is PDs.

Thanks, N for bringing it up.

[6:45 pm, 22/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

[6:59 pm, 22/05/2023] +Smiley face: 22 May, 2023

"In the meantime, the predators will have all the advantages over the prey; how to neutralise?"

- - anonymity

A game of Prey and Predator!

The common mindsets of most of us are compliant to law and order. The predators (scammers) know all of these psychological weaknesses; how the way we respond to matter of urgency, how the way we react when rules, laws or opportunities arise and the sequence of our daily routines?

Are these patterns of sequential logic deployed by these scammers? Or are they operating on a blitz manners of hit and run?

"It is not when it will happen, it will happen sooner than later."

- - anonymity

Going forward within five years,  with AI and humanoid voice and/or video capabilities, the game of cheating or scamming will be harder to differential between real or fake. And more people will fall prey to these predators!

Forward thinking to five years, the power of quantum computing shall determine who's first and first thing to conquer the rest in the internet of things; for goodness or badness! So how should the stakeholders from content providers, google, twitter, TikTok, IG, Whatsapp, Shoppe, Grab, SMS and banks to Telco all come together to respond to the future of scams given the power of countings are reachable for any party concerned or if not all of these internet stakeholders with their users in mind to PROTECT all of them? 

What sorts of advanced analytics and augmented algorithms to spot, to stop, to identify these accounts of origin and lastly to apprehend and/or cancel them? 

Personal Checklist?

All incoming phone calls, emails, short messages that are not your friends nor people who you knows; Just do not response to all of these potential traps, threats and all unnecessary or unknown apps!

Government agencies should clarify in unison, in simple words to tell the public how they would conduct themselves whether it is a physical visit, or a phone call or through the internet whenever there are needs for the authority to contact any individuals for all matters. An unique protocol not easily copied or duplicated by scammers?

    - - in progress - -

[7:00 pm, 22/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

We will be closing the chat for today.

Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.

Goodnight!

Megan 😊

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REACH 456 -  What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

(SK)

 15 May 2023 (10am - 7pm)

REACH

[10:59 am, 15/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

Welcome back! 😊

⏰ We will be opening the chat from 11am to 7pm today. ⏰

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[11:00 am, 15/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

On 9 May, the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) tabled the Women’s Charter (Family Violence and Other Matters) Amendment Bill in Parliament. It introduces a slew of measures to better protect victims of family violence.

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

The Bill will add three new provisions to personal protection orders (PPO):

📌 1. A “stay-away” provision 

This will prevent the perpetrators from being outside victims’ homes or places that they frequent.

📌 2. A “no-contact” provision 

This prevents perpetrators from visiting or communicating with the victims.

📌 3. A “mandatory treatment” provision for perpetrators

If perpetrators are suffering from a psychiatric condition that contributes to their behaviour towards their victims, the court can issue a mandatory treatment order against perpetrators.

Further, the Bill will also lower the minimum age to apply for a PPO to 18, from 21. Currently, those between the ages of 18 to 20 who are unmarried need to rely on others like their guardians to apply for a PPO on their behalf.

The bill also establishes “protectors” who can apply for a PPO on behalf of victims who are at risk of being harmed but who refuse to apply for the order on their own.

To hold perpetrators accountable, the Bill proposes to increase the penalties for breaches of family violence-related court orders to a maximum fine of S$10,000, up from S$2,000, and/or a 12-month imprisonment term, up from 6 months.

"For families that are facing or at risk of violence, it is important, once the protection and safety objective has been achieved, to help offenders rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships. This will help break the cycle of violence", MSF said.

MSF sought public feedback on the proposed amendments, such as through REACH's public consultation  in April 2022, and received strong support for them. To find out more please click here: https://go.gov.sg/feedbackwomenscharter22

👉 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ppo-emergency-orders-family-violence-amendments-womens-charter-parliament-3474296

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/proposed-changes-to-boost-protection-for-family-violence-victims-rehab-for-abusers

👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/new-24-hour-emergency-response-team-among-measures-to-strengthen-protection-for-abuse-victims

👉 https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/emergency-order-family-violence-amendment-bill-2166691

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[11:21 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Ha Ha Ha Talk rubbish again . It will make the officers more ya ya and anyhow catch. Why can't the deal with internal officers 1st before this being rule. 

My boy was abuse by my ex for 3 over years until the boy became a special need boy. Instead of staying away from my ex . These officers believe his words after primary any how report. And insist the child to return to my ex despite there is two court orders from the state court. The ACG still agree with the officers in removal. Without solid proof that I had abuse my special boy, these officers and AGC agree in return to my ex. while I have all solid proof from police and proof and witness and my ex past drug record and as a hard core in prison, these officers and AGC still insist and said my report are fake and court order are not relevant. Furthermore due to my ex abuse to the boy, he need therapy and these officers denial his therapy by avoiding appointment from Child Guidance clinic 

The best part is MOE normally activate the REACH Team to primary school to asses those special children and have therapy in Child Guidance clinic which are partly under IMH. But these officers mention they are not recognize and only MSF team therapy is recognize. This is super weird aren't they both under government body, if REACH assessment and therapy are not recognize, why are they being call by MOE to school.

[11:23 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Abuse come from man’s mindset.

Thinking of power money is everything can enjoyable or he is unhappy with wives.

I believed in Singapore alway thinking is money come first. While wives is look after child or family.

Every man is head of family.

Marriage is not a game.

[11:23 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Any way all these bill are rubbish without dealing the internal officers, more families will suffer and break apart. We do not see things on surface but we need it see through the whole picture. Then let these officers any how deal thing by only seeing the surface

[11:24 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Are you from other country?

[11:24 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Your name sound like Thailand

[11:25 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yes, Singapore always think of money especially those officers and MOE educators. They have a quota to hit that is why they will anyhow bomb. Causing more families in danger. This is not right .

[11:26 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: I am from Malaysia.

[11:27 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Because without seeking counselling can danger themselves and even wive suffer from hide her pain.

[11:28 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Low income need to seek help not because of the money

[11:28 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Counselor where got so free. They only see the families less than 4 times a years. What matter is the support team around them that go throught with them every now and then .

[11:30 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: U wait long long . By going to all department, it still go back to square 1. The best is after seeking MP for help for few times, the lackey can said no user seeing and tear away the q number. So what do think ? .

[11:32 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Guy & ladies are being an abuser and there sure a reason behind. Without Knowing the reason, anyhow remove it only make things worst

[11:32 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: This is case matter to family.

But trying to understand going through happened.

[11:34 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Or choose to LAB advise

[11:34 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Just like the officers said Kids hit parent nothing wrong but parent hit kids is an abuse. Like that the society will collapse. Just like the recent case, 14 years old rob gold shop, 16 years old molest aunty etc.  Whose fault all these officers fault for so defensive on the kids. In the past we kana hantam until like shit and we go up to be a better person but now, over pamper, they became criminals. Who going to answer their crime.

[11:35 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: 14 year old robbing goldsmith in Malaysia?

[11:35 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Be it family matter or what ever , no one will help even they change the bills without looking into picture.

[11:36 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: In Singapore.

[11:36 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Reported in the news?  When ?

[11:37 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Few months back 17 years old kill his father. Nowadays teen-age crime seem common due t these officer too pamper.

[11:37 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: If the kidding behaviour wrong then it can go wrong without self discipline.

Or if attack kidding any physical injuries then teachers observe kidding from abuse parent

[11:38 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Kid ill-discipline is lacking parenting skill

[11:38 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Yes correct

[11:38 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: But parent cannot discipline , the parent will be caught as an abuser.

[11:39 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Kidding have not learned crime did the school or MOE teaching them self discipline

[11:39 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: You can tried by scolding is emotion abuse by spat the children is physicals abuse. like that how can a parent discipline ?

[11:40 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: You mean parent teach the kidding how to thief?

[11:41 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: We parent teach kid wellbeing thru all method but those officers insist of love teaching, do you think it work.

[11:41 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Officer is very strictly in public but not all too kindliness

[11:41 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: with the backup from officers, children get more rebellion and start to do what they like.

[11:42 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Best is learn self respect

[11:42 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Parent must teach / guide their offspring from toddler.  Impossible to begin from teenager.  That is is family communication is important.  Cannot rely on kids to mobile device alone

[11:42 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: yes. and they do not look in parent shoe they just back up kids be it right or wrong. In the end parent being charge as abuser.

[11:43 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Sigh 😔

[11:43 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Why should anyone look at parents shoe.  This parent is lacking in many skills

[11:44 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: an guide with love teaching but not discipline otherwise parent will go in sit. Especially poor families, they hardly had enough to feed, how to hire lawyers against these officers in court.

[11:45 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Parent has different in role like part of responsibility for child education.

[11:46 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Erh pono bono is free (I may spell it wrong).  Long time never check

[11:46 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The officers should look into parent shoes. Parent discipline kids for their well being and responsibilities and not any how. But these officers do not agree. With these officers hinder the parent teaching their kids. how can the kids learn. A bit only the kid will use officers to threat the parent.

[11:46 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you know Amos yee how did he end up jail in USA

[11:47 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Learned is mistake lead a lesson but too much annoying since he was young

[11:47 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Pro Bono, wait long after going through tons of assessments, they will still reject the application.

[11:47 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I see

[11:47 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Anyway your kid is your responsibility, how you raise them etc.  Cannot blame everybody for own lacking

[11:47 am, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Do you need seek help?

[11:48 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: I tried before bu after few months it rejected and I end up 30K for mine divorce case

[11:49 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Last time checking to sell father-in-law HDB.  Never about raising my own family

[11:49 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: No one blaming but these officers need to retrain and learn as a parent . These officers are so young without experience.

[11:50 am, 15/05/2023] +Noraini: Everybody start from young.  Officers, parents, student.

[11:51 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: No matter how parent tried , the officers will step in this cannot that cannot then how to discipline. Love teaching , what is love teaching ? Agree in whatever the kid do even it is wrong

[11:51 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Then the officers should be well train then take side in kids and blame parent when they discipline their kids.

[11:56 am, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Officers also need to know how to protect the vulnerable with proper skills. After abuse the families was remove. how about the impact of families in mental in skills of support themselves etc. Remove is easy but there will be a lot of back end to clear. They cannot just just remove and left alone. How about special need kids which Singapore do not recoinages or help at all. Single parent especially those with special need kids will left behind and more society problem will surface. Never be surprise criminal age is getting younger.

[0:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: These are the fruit of the officers from MSF

[0:03 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think not all should be involved.

Because they go religious’s teaching 

Example Christ learn word from god in bible 

Buddhism teaching the scriptures

[0:03 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: They believe won’t go wrong path

[0:19 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

This situation sounds a bit strange.

1. If state court have ruled the child custody belongs to the mother, AGC cannot direct otherwise.

Wonder how AGC got involves in family matters that deal with child custody?

Unless it involves case that deal with criminal law?

[0:21 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Because school any how report child abuse after the mother feedback to MOE of school use cane to threaten the special boy.

[0:23 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: Blady incompetent professional!

[0:23 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: Some head of family should be women!

[0:23 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: Blady idiot professional!

[0:23 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. That means, the child must have undergone medical examination and discover that he has wounded marks on his body.

[0:24 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Then AGC and officers believe the ex story and school story without proof. While the mum is working in hospital and most of can justify for her that she never abuse the child. Instead hear both the AGC and Officers trust the ex and insist the court to return the boy to the father . Judge was not happy abt the AGC ways of dealing matter. the last court session took 7 hours plus with AGC and Judge arguing in court.

[0:26 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. If the mother is working in the hospital and did not cane her child, how does the cane marks appear on the child body?

[0:26 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Only common bruise as he was diagnose with Impulsive ADHD and PTSD ( due to the ex abuse ) plus due the ex is a drug addict , the boy do have other medical issues certify by MOH Doctors

[0:27 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: No cane marks but bruise. .

[0:27 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. How did the child got the bruise?

[0:28 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Schools mention warning letters was given a few round , but she received none and they cannot provide in court . We walk through with her and help her take care during working time.

[0:29 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Children having bruise are common especially for ADHD child

[0:29 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Hmm only assets higher than husband then can be head woman.

[0:30 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Agree there are black sheeps No one is perfect so am I 🙏 we care, share learn and apply.

[0:32 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: There are various constraints/restrictions(by law) for the social worker/doctors…..

[0:33 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: The recent driver with epilepsy but doctor cannot report due to PDPA

[0:33 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: All these have to be look into

[0:35 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: Attempted to interact with a minor unlawfully

[0:36 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Most of the matter are not A or B . They are all link and those officers need to look more in-depth to deal the problem

[0:36 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Bruise normally occurs if the child fall down or knock against hard objects.

Or it can happen if he is assaulted.

Bruise is more serious than cane marks.

Which part of his body got bruises and he got it?

[0:37 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Normalise legs and hands . He is a special need child with ADHD . These group of kids do thing impulsive and hard to control

[0:38 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: ADHD special for child is discrimination.

[0:39 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Unless we wrap them in bubble wrap

[0:39 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: ADHD is certify by Doc

[0:39 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Yes agreement

[0:40 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Which parent will face challenge

[0:40 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Parent have to bear it responsibility

[0:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Cannot as officers also hinder parent teaching

[0:41 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

In that case, the child is temporarily look after by MSF to prevent further injuries.

Then did another court case preside over the child custody and rule that the child custody to be given to the father instead?

[0:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The boy was remove for almost a year without therapy for his ADHD

[0:42 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Then how does the child custody landed to the father instead?

[0:42 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: In the children home , same thing it was reported that he also suffer a lot of bruise

[0:43 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So now the child is not under the mother and father custody - but instead stay in the children home.

[0:43 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Did anyone witness how did he get bruised? evidence reporting.

[0:44 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The father accuse his mum . The AGC is fighting court by asking the Judge to return the boy to the father but Judge decline due to the father is a drug addict and hard core The nex hearing is July

[0:44 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yes , all her negibours plus ourself and we going to testify in court

[0:44 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: No wonder father is abuse drug

[0:45 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The child is u see the mother custody but they remove him and put in children without therapy and anyhow draw the boy blood without mother consent

[0:46 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

So that means, the child still in the children home - and is neither in the custody of the mother and father.

It is now pending a court case to determine whether child abuse indeed happen or it was a case of the child mental conditions that result in self injury.

[0:47 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yup but in court according to lawyer custody still with the mum

[0:50 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Yes according to previous court judgement, the child is still under mother custody.

But now the child is under children home temporary custody - as a suspected child abuse is being investigated, charge in court and pending court case to determine if indeed the child is abuse or it is the child mental condition that trigger the injury.

Procedure wise, the AGC did not breach any procedures and is appropriate for the case as well as the child welfare.

[0:53 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: All these abuse stuff was from the child father not mum . We have a lawyer for her and most of the staff and doctors in the hospital will testify for her in court because these is not truth but alleged mage by school and officers

[0:53 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: If there is an abuse . It will be report early when only in primary school

[0:54 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

If the child is under the mother custody and then now under the children home custody - then how does the father inflict the bruise on the child?

[0:57 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: There is a lie detector equipment and when should it come in at which point of time.

[0:59 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: In the past before their divorce the father abuse the boy fir almost 3 years with police report

[1:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The father is a drug addict and hard core while the mum is a hardworking staff in hospital

[1:03 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

The medical examination can verify long time bruise and fresh new bruise.

Also I have not come across 3 years bruise will not heal.

If the child is under the care of the mother, then the mother should have brought the child for treatment if she has discover the father 3 years ago have abuse the child.

[1:03 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: I’m so sorry to hear this, it must have been hard on you and hard a difficult time struggling.  Yes, do see certain part of the Govt board/agency etc Miss and fail the correct procedure etc.  stay strong and seek help direct to MP and pray tad prayers from all religions are powerful and the Righteous will win.

[1:06 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yes that is why she chose divorce.

[1:07 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: And she tried seek treatment and therapy in the past few years with our help

[1:07 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Also you mentioned that ADHD child is susceptible to bruise through self injury.

Before evidence are brought into court, how to be so certain the bruise are caused by the father, mother or self injury?

That means unless all the facts are properly established in the courts - accusing the authorities for mishandling the case is inappropriate.

[1:08 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yes there is proof from pre school as the boy will self harm if he get angry . The pre school will be testifying in court also

[1:09 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: All proof had sibmyto court while the other does not have any Ang the officers even threatened the mum by saying cannot hire lawyers but we help her to hire one

[1:10 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: Yes, it’s better for child attend school. Please keep on going testifying it’s safe for child if it more continue braised.

[1:11 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Now even on children they dun frequently bring him to school and the officers also block school from update the mother

[1:12 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Unless all evidence are recorded by CCTV, cameras, photos, or witness.

Also you mentioned the father abuse the child, and the mother did not abuse the child - any evidence to prove yes or no?

If no physical evidence, circumstances evidence will be established by the court.

Hence before trial, be careful about accusing authorities of mishandling - as all facts will be established and come into public domain.

[1:14 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

To be honest, I have discovered quite a lot of inconsistencies in what you related and some facts contradict one another.

The court will be the best place to establish the real facts.

[1:15 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: I think need hire PI (Private investigator) if really don’t mind pay more $$$ to evidence

[1:16 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: This has point because of none evidence

[1:21 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: No need PI . In hospital there are alot of CCTV . During the pandemic, the boy was with us in hospital until late wee hours and come back next day morning.

[1:23 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The father abuse was heavily reported and hence the boy was granted PPO by state court against the father but these officers decline the order .

[1:25 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The father abuse was heavily reported and hence the boy was granted PPO by state court against the father but these officers decline the order . More ever there is an social report during the supervise visit for the father that the father cannot go near the boy, the boy will go head wire , there is why there is an the court order that the father had to stay away from the boy but those officers decline these order and insist the boy to go back his father

[1:27 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Well I have a rough idea what is going on.

Now is for the court to establish the real facts and make the judgement.

[1:28 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: So now the point is , are they trying to make the boy condition worst or spend time inside like his father or end up as a drug addict. All the father criminal record , the mother also had a copy . While the mother had no criminal record working in hospital clinic . spending all saving for the boys treatment and therapy.

[1:28 pm, 15/05/2023] +Frankie Wee: But we are here chat group is about we want to developing and social care improvement. 

The case we have tried best encourages positive. 

Actual if it’s turn serious something matter to your personality hence we are not involved.

Best is how you learn from this group to share with you.

[1:29 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: We do hope justification can be bought out rather than let these officers any how do thing. Without therapy or medication for the boy asthma or any how draw blood without mother consent, the boy will suffer .

[1:31 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The boy had suffer abuse and so much more and now this. Hence I against these officers in doing thing by looking at surface. What they do Heaven will see and give punishment.

[1:38 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: So the base line is by having having all these new regulation without proper executor , does the teams think it will work ? It will only cause more worst thing to happen.

[1:38 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And how the child respond to the mother and father - will be most instinctive.

As it will reveal who actually abuse him.

[1:40 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

And the child statement will be very important.

[1:40 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: According to the supervise center during every visit, the child want to kill the father and refuse to see him

[1:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: The boy is still a child wit special condition - PTSD now under IMH therapy. HIs word might not strong enough to justify

[1:47 pm, 15/05/2023] +Singapore Maid Agency: Try approaching Mummy Yummy for financial assistance on medical bills etc

[1:48 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Statement against father can take?

[1:49 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

Statement against mother cannot take?

[1:50 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yup . this what the officers doing now. they took the father words instead the mother. Lucky the mother had proof.

[1:57 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

AGC and the Court will be the best to establish the facts and make judgements.

[1:59 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Haha , 1st time saw AGC kana slap by Judge words during the last court session with her. The judge even ask AGC who is the Judge in court.

[2:10 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

On 9 May, the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) tabled the Women’s Charter (Family Violence and Other Matters) Amendment Bill in Parliament. It introduces a slew of measures to better protect victims of family violence.

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

The Bill will add three new provisions to personal protection orders (PPO):

📌 1. A “stay-away” provision 

This will prevent the perpetrators from being outside victims’ homes or places that they frequent.

📌 2. A “no-contact” provision 

This prevents perpetrators fr…

[3:12 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[3:25 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

There are 3 important considerations in tackling family violence that the Government has rightly pointed out :-

1. Protect victims in family violence.

- Important step is to remove victims from further harm from the family - and put them in a safe house.

2. Help offenders to rehabilitate

- Important to take steps to warn/punish, educate and help offenders to rehabilitate - to ensure they know what they do are wrong and harm the victims which are in fact their loved ones.

- transform and change their wrong behavior.

- learn how to be mindful when their anger arises, control their anger by letting them run through the consequences of their actions - how they harm the victims, other family members and how their harmful actions will land them in jail etc.

- go through anger management course

- learn to take cool, rational and wholesome actions to manage difficult situations.

3. Reconcile and heal the families - until and unless the offenders learn, and transform to be a better person - not to harm the victims, understand the consequences of their harmful actions and take constructive, wholesome actions to diffuse difficult situation.

- ultimately, only after ensuring the family can take care of one another wholesomely - can Authorities bring them together for reconciliation and heal the families -- without succumbing to old ways that harm the victims.

[3:28 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

4. Children brought up from a broken and violent family - can harm them long term when they grow up.

Hence special attention should be paid to the development and growing up of such children - to ensure they are properly brought up - and not succumb mentally or worst follow their parents' violent behavior - and make positive contribution to themselves and the society.

[3:37 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Agree. But the officer must be well train on how to handle base on situation on not on any how.

[3:40 pm, 15/05/2023] ☸️  Danny 心: 

1. Hence, I support the :-

a. A "stay-away" provision 

- to ensure offenders do not physically harass the victims outside their home or the places they frequent --- unless the Authorities have established the offenders have indeed undergone successful rehabilitation and no longer will harm the victims and the rest of the family members.

b. A "no-contact" provision

- to ensure offenders do not contact victims outside their home or the places they frequent --- unless the Authorities have established the offenders have indeed undergone successful rehabilitation and no longer will harm the victims and the rest of the family members.

c. A "mandatory treatment" provision for offenders

- if the offenders is suffering from psychiatric condition that lead to abuse of the victims --- as the offenders are not aware of their own mental conditions - and put the victims in a harm way, not knowing what he/she do are in fact hurting the victims which are their loved ones.

- only after treatment, medication and medical intervention - that lead to offenders recovery, knowing what they do constitute harms, and possess the mental and physical abilities to manage themselves and the victims - can they be allowed to contact, and physically interact with the victims.

- until medical reports, social welfare officers report and other relevant reports - certified the offenders is clear of uncontrollable conditions and able to lead a normal lives - can the offenders be allow to take part in the healing and reconciliation process.

[3:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: 1. Protect victims in family violence.

- Important step is to remove victims from further harm from the family - and put them in a safe house.

For this , not only safe home , they need to help train the parent to able to earn a living on their own and have their own shelter, rather then depend on government. 

All these to deal with rather then the surface. They can put them in safe home but what about future , who going to feed them etc . 

For families , it does not mean a straight forward question, there will be more coming up.

[3:42 pm, 15/05/2023] +Anne: Dear G,

Domestic violence should be considered a serious crime, and yet, like molest cases, the penalties are so lenient. Compare the maximum penalties for theft vs the proposed new sentences for violating the PPO and you can see the huge difference.

A man who punches his wife and flings his child against the wall only gets a PPO issued against him - this is so laughable. And if he violates the PPO he is fined a max of only $10k and 12-month imprisonment. Compare this with a case of a man fighting against other men and chances are he gets a heavier jail term and probably caning. 

This type of violent character deserves a long jail term with caning - he does his violent acts knowingly and chances are he gets his high from the looks of terror on his victims’ faces. Shouldn’t this violent character experience the same type of terror he inflicts on his wife and children? And you want to focus on rehab. I don’t think rehab was ever mentioned during the sentencing of an 18-year-old boy who was caned for vandalism.

When you come up with proposed penalties can you please think of the pain and suffering of the victims first before you think of rehab for the criminal? Not that rehab is not important, but I have a feeling the G likes to focus on the rehab of the criminals and downplay the sufferings of the victims. Unless of course, it involves $ or property, then the focus becomes punishing the criminals.

[3:42 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: I also support these. Maybe these can stop the abuser from continue harassing the family but how far it can last we do not know.

[3:44 pm, 15/05/2023] +Boon: Does it cover and recognises the male gender (regardless of age) being abused? If not, how are the non-woman genders protected?

[3:46 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: สวัสดี

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ความสงบจะทำให้คุณได้ผลลัพธ์ที่ดีขึ้น และสำหรับทุกคน โดยเฉพาะลูกของคุณ อย่าหมดหวัง ขอบคุณ

Calmness?

Only if you have grounds and good reasons, you should approach a lawyer who will represent you free of charge.

All prior statements and evidences by you, your ex spouse and your latest statement will have to be reexamined before a new trial begins or no trial will takes place.

Perhaps, this try will be final.

ขอให้โชคดี! ขอบคุณ

[3:46 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Provided that the one that got abuse willing to stand forward against the abuser. Otherwise, there is nothing much that we can do. The victim must stand out as the bystander can not do anything without witness the harm given - neighbors can call police but victim withdraw chargers what can others do. In State Court, every thing must come with proof.

[3:51 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Prove beyond doubts!

ขอบคุณ

[3:55 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Rehab - the boy in secondary school injure other class mate was not given rehab and he was sentence. So I do think rehab is a good solution for abuser , they should be punish heavily for inflicting the pain in the victim cause life time emotion hurt.

[4:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

On 9 May, the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) tabled the Women’s Charter (Family Violence and Other Matters) Amendment Bill in Parliament. It introduces a slew of measures to better protect victims of family violence.

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

The Bill will add three new provisions to personal protection orders (PPO):

📌 1. A “stay-away” provision 

This will prevent the perpetrators from being outside victims’ homes or places that they frequent.

📌 2. A “no-contact” provision 

This prevents perpetrators fr…

[4:31 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: 15 May, 2023

In PP v Luan Yuanxin [2002] 2 SLR 98

"Violent acts such as these are particularly heinous when they are committed within the confines of a familial relationship as they constitute an abuse of the bonds of trust and interdependency that exist between family members.

More often than not, the effects of such violence within the family fall most harshly upon the children who, while they may not be the direct recipients of the violence, will nevertheless carry the scars of these acts of brutality.

In this regard, I was mindful of the need to deter anyone else who might resort to such violence, especially in view of the deplorable increase in the number of cases involving family violence."

- - CJ Yong Pung How

Additional Punishments?

For first time and repeat offenders of spouse abuse (to include physical and sexual) especially victim is a woman and or child of age 16 years and below with harsher sentences for abusing young children age 12 and below. 

All abuses, if caused by permanent or partial disabilities or causing hospitalisation and medical issues ( including all known sexually transmitted diseases) of over seven days or loss of human abilities such as to freely move hand or leg, to listen, to speak clearly, or to see;  shall receive caning as a deterrent punishment and a firm message to all potential offenders at large: Don't do it ! (三思后行)

    - - in progress - -

[4:46 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: I still feel there's behind the scenes of collaboration between the executive and the judiciary but no concrete proof!😞🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[4:47 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: Yes

[4:47 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: PTO must ve enhanced

[4:48 pm, 15/05/2023] +Rama: True

[4:54 pm, 15/05/2023] +Thai wordings: Yup because the officers and MOE need quota and if the family got money to hire lawyer, it also benefit G. Back to square 1 , they are hantu they are human also.

[5:33 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: https://www.facebook.com/100064539047998/posts/619901046837858/?mibextid=afzh1R

[5:40 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors

We want to HEAR MORE from you!

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

We have had good feedback and hope that we can keep the discussion robust and active!

Megan 😊

[5:50 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: It takes two willing hands?

So how to resolve all these existential family matters, real lifetime hatred and how to let it all go, both parties through continuous engagements, a friendlier and less tense dialogues to seek a middle path!Though it is not an easy task to mediate and mend broken things, it takes two willing hands to clap! Or start a new and separate life?

It is POSSIBLE to reduce the temperament at both ends and may be a chance to reconcile and mend ways through continuous engagements; only if all of us as adults acknowledge that children are our precious gifts:  miracles and/ or a higher calling!

[6:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: 📢 Topic 📢

On 9 May, the Ministry of Social and Family Development (MSF) tabled the Women’s Charter (Family Violence and Other Matters) Amendment Bill in Parliament. It introduces a slew of measures to better protect victims of family violence.

💬 What are your views on this new proposed law? How do you think we can better protect victims of family violence in Singapore, and also help offenders to rehabilitate and families to reconcile and heal relationships to break the cycle of violence?

The Bill will add three new provisions to personal protection orders (PPO):

📌 1. A “stay-away” provision 

This will prevent the perpetrators from being outside victims’ homes or places that they frequent.

📌 2. A “no-contact” provision 

This prevents perpetrators fr…

[6:07 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: May be there is a need to encourage especially the newly wed couples; for the first five years of marriage life to attend scheduled family planning and counselling to check on each other that they are both satisfied, happy and the family is alright too! Importantly, seek out any early signs of discontent or disputes over tangibles and intangibles. Money issues and/or  in-laws can be a sparking point for more rougher journey ahead and subsequent quarrels involving either or both couple.

[6:28 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Can we consider having a national campaign to inculcate moral and ethics or set a national or special day for this theme: family, happy and peaceful!

[6:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you for the double hearts!

We need billions of WARM HEARTS!

Thank you!

[6:41 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Thank you!

[6:42 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Big picture?

The bigger the idea is (problem), the more you need to work with more people, the breadth and the depth. And the bigger the problem is solved, the greater will be the rewards in the waiting; think empathy for your users and enriching them with your invention or creation than the temptation of monetary gains to no ending. When you got it all rite, at the end, you will be rewarded. Finally, redefined the possibilities and go for the impossibles; personifying Bravery, Boldness and Creativity to see beyond the reality...

Thank you!

[6:44 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

- - Lao Tze

[6:45 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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[6:59 pm, 15/05/2023] +Anne: Must the authorities wait for the victims to suffer from broken bones, disabilities or death before the criminal can be caned? Then, if this criminal is cunning enough, he can continually inflict physical or verbal violence to terrorize his victims. Eg leaving bruises not visible to outsiders, violently throwing his wife’s or children’s things around.

Much harsher deterrent must be meted out to these criminals. I have a feeling many of these criminals behave in a well-bred and kind manner to outsiders but are monsters to their families. This means that these criminals have a weakness - they love to look good in front of people and dread being exposed as a bad person. Perhaps can consider publicising their criminal behavior to make the abusers stop their violence.

Society must condemn domestic violence and not laugh at the victims - yes, some people actually find it amusing when their friends have been attacked. Some people even claim the victims “deserve” to be attacked. Someone shared with me that there are well-meaning “friends” who reprimand the victims for not doing their best to “please” their husbands, and even advise the victims to perform their “wifely” duties by doing perfect housework and be perfect mothers and providing “sex” services to their husbands.

The G must make their stand very “loudly” and clearly that they mean business and will not hesitate to mete out harsh punishment to these criminals. The media must provide publicity and condemn such behaviors and warn abusers to stop their acts of violence.

[7:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: Hi Anne,

Apologized fixed up you from the other person.

Thank you.

[7:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +REACH: Dear Contributors,

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[7:00 pm, 15/05/2023] +Smiley face: 15 May, 2023

To: Our Distinguished Leaders, MSF, All Family Social Workers and All Honorable Members 

"Children are the ultimate victims of family violence and/or divorce!.. Just when you assume that the Court will settle these highly emotional things and thereafter, a happy ending for the victims and punishments handed to the guilty and life goes on...?"

- - anonymity 

Preamble!

In every case of human disputes, there will always be multiple reasons, comments, vicious and biases. Human relationships are just complex and fragile too! It is timely to strengthen and emphasize in all levels of our education ecosystem: to teach respect, types of responsibilities and filial piety regardless of race or religion!

"In life, you Give and Take or you Take and Take?"

- - anonymity

May be there is a need to encourage especially the newly wed couples; for the first five years of marriage life to attend scheduled family planning and counselling to check on each other that they are both satisfied, happy and the family is alright too! Importantly, seek out any early signs of discontent or disputes over tangibles and intangibles. Money issues and/or  in-laws or siblings can be a sparking point for more rougher journey ahead and subsequent quarrels involving either or both couple.

What are the guild lines or precedent to qualify and quantify a case as family violence or child abuse or spouse abuse? Do we based sijoky on physical wounds or the mental conditions of the victims? It is certainly a long process to investigate, to prove beyond any doubts and to finally settle an outcome of custody of the child/children.

Done?

This sentence of PPO by the family court is the beginning of more unhappiness from the losing party and to add-on to the mounted anger, a monthly alimony payable and a restraining order to prevent future physical fighting, unpleasant verbosity, or harassment from either party.

It takes two willing hands?

So how to resolve all these existential family matters, real lifetime hatred and how to let it all go, both parties through continuous engagements, a friendlier and less tense dialogues to seek a middle path!Though it is not an easy task to mediate and mend broken things, it takes two willing hands to clap! Or start a new and separate life?

It is POSSIBLE to reduce the temperament at both ends and may be a chance to reconcile and mend ways through continuous engagements; only if all of us as adults acknowledge that children are our precious gifts:  miracles and/ or a higher calling!

Checks, Triple Checks?

MSF should conduct interviews from both spouses starting from the neighbors, workplace, friends and relatives to have a better understanding of the cracks and sour spots of this family. What's the history and the present situation?

Believes that MSF has done these detailed interviews and throughout investigations before recommending solutions or escalate the case to the family court on behalf of the weaker side that is the victims of family violence. 

Protect the innocent!

Children are innocent people in all of these family violence and divorce cases. How these innocent children be housed? To stay with relatives or grandparents or a temporary house just to avoid further harms while waiting for a solution or court order.

At the earliest stage, once a case is known, what are the existing ways to safeguard children at the same time keeping confidential of the on-going investigations and court trials, protections from the school environment though teachers, counsellors and principal know and not for the classmates?

Empathy and Kindness are two humane things for adults to seriously consider and to ensure these adult disputes and or violence be stopped sooner and spare the children from trauma, shaming and embarrassment that will be detrimental to the child's psychology and behaviors as they grow up to adults.

Afterwords:

"Is Prevention better than Cure...?"

- - anonymity 

In PP v Luan Yuanxin [2002] 2 SLR 98

"Violent acts such as these are particularly heinous when they are committed within the confines of a familial relationship as they constitute an abuse of the bonds of trust and interdependency that exist between family members.

More often than not, the effects of such violence within the family fall most harshly upon the children who, while they may not be the direct recipients of the violence, will nevertheless carry the scars of these acts of brutality.

In this regard, I was mindful of the need to deter anyone else who might resort to such violence, especially in view of the deplorable increase in the number of cases involving family violence."

- - CJ Yong Pung How

Additional Punishments?

For first time and repeat offenders of spouse abuse (to include physical and sexual) especially victim is a woman and or child of age 16 years and below with harsher sentences for abusing young children age 12 and below. 

All abuses, if causing permanent or partial disabilities to the victim(s) or causing hospitalisation and lifelong or life threatening medical issues (including all known sexually transmitted diseases) of over seven days or loss of human abilities such as to freely move hand or leg, to listen, to speak clearly, or to see;  shall receive caning as a deterrent punishment and a firm message to all potential offenders at large: Don't do it ! (三思后行)

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