REACH - 102. SM Tharmugam - A Stronger and More Cohesive Society (SK)
17 Jun 2020 (6pm - 10pm)

REACH
[6:00 pm, 17/06/2020] : Senior Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam will deliver the fifth National Broadcast this evening on the theme, "A Stronger and More Cohesive Society" at the following times:
7.30pm – English Broadcast (CNA)
8.30pm – Malay Broadcast (Suria)
8.30pm – English broadcast with sign language interpretation (Channel 5)
9.00pm – Tamil broadcast (Vasantham)
9.30pm – Mandarin broadcast (Channel 8)
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REACH
[6:01 pm, 17/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
As we enter Phase 2 of the post-Circuit Breaker period on 19 June, what are some of the precautions you plan to continue with in your daily routines?
On Monday, the multi-ministry task force announced that phase 2 of reopening will begin on Friday, 19 June. More businesses and social activities will be allowed to resume, although some precautionary measures will remain in place.
Minister of Health Gan Kim Yong noted that the number of community cases over the past two weeks have remained stable. Cases within the migrant worker dormitories are also witnessing a decline. No new large clusters are emerging as well.
👉 https://str.sg/JW4B
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Alvin
[6:02 pm, 17/06/2020] : I would still stay at home as much as possible and get family members and advise friends to do the same.

Rama
[6:03 pm, 17/06/2020] : All must maintain the status quo to prevent surge in cases!

Eugene
[6:04 pm, 17/06/2020] : Maintain social distancing measures, stay at home, avoid going out unnecessary.
Hope singaporeans will follow the regulations so we can prevent surge in cases

Rama
[6:05 pm, 17/06/2020] : Yes

[6:15 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Precaution in Phase 2 that must continue to exercise :-
(1) Wear face mask once outside (cannot compromise on this).
(2) Wash hands with soap or sanitizer if touch anything.
(3) Maintain social distance of 1 metre whenever possible.
(4) Avoid crowded places.
(5) Scan SafeEntry when visiting any mall outside.
(6) Wait for contract tracer token and carry it around if outside.
(7) Work from home as far as possible.

Ben
[7:45 pm, 17/06/2020] : Yep this is the plan! Will be seeing friends initially,  then stay home for a while and see how cases go. I assume my friends are safe at the moment, but a week from now, who knows...

[6:17 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/five-antibodies-that-fight-covid-19-discovered-by-singapores-national-defence-rd?cx_testId=20&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s
More good news in the discovery of antibodies in the fight against covid-19.

[6:17 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/doctors-here-eager-for-full-results-of-drug-trial-that-promises-to-cut-covid-19

[6:18 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Many promising development in the medical fronts.

[6:26 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-start-human-trials-covid-19-vaccine-august-coronavirus-12840388

CQ
[6:55 pm, 17/06/2020] : Like many learned friends here, I will also stay home at least for the first few weeks. I would expect many people to be rushing to go out because they're getting cabin fever. Not about to rush to join the crowd yet. Wait until the craze dies down before I start making plans to go out. Even then, still still try to keep it to a minimum.
Benefits of being an introvert bordering on hermit life. ✌🏻

XaniceAfcai
[7:11 pm, 17/06/2020] : No changeb8n routine.
I'm sure people will chiong to eateries
I would rather tabao back home or home cooked to avoid over crowding. I find that it is still unsafe to wander around esp some ppls do not exercise their social responsibility.
These 2 weeks, alr saw 3 uncles seated side by side with mask at their chin level at the bench. Some ppls loiter around, gg to carpark at void deck are not wearing mask.
Students also with mask not cover their mask walked in a group.
Touch words if they ever tested positive, they should bear the full cost.

Rama
[7:14 pm, 17/06/2020] : Yes

Ken

XaniceAfcai
[7:19 pm, 17/06/2020] : To add on.
Not to rush to join the crowd. Hope the non essential outlet esp the budget shop or popular bookshop of open also implement limited entry ppls to go in. Ensure they scan the QR code upon gg in and Che k out.
I would rather wait till July or go during non peak hr then cut my hair, buy my toiletries etc.... Rather to be safe than sorry.

Leonard Lau
[7:30 pm, 17/06/2020] : Just do the same before ..
1. Observe safe distance
2. Use TraceTogether
3. Avoid crowd
4. Stay home whenever possible
5. Always maintain  personal hygiene

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Rama
[7:32 pm, 17/06/2020] : https://mothership.sg/2020/06/taiwan-allow-singapore-business-travellers/

An Fan
[7:32 pm, 17/06/2020] : Read news that malaysia has 3 imported cases from singapore.

Rama
[7:33 pm, 17/06/2020] : Oh!

An Fan
[7:34 pm, 17/06/2020] : There may be quite a few hidden cases in community.

[7:34 pm, 17/06/2020] : Possibly

AnFan
[7:38 pm, 17/06/2020] : This is still very important

REACH
[7:44 pm, 17/06/2020] : Attachments and traineeships being secured to help Singaporeans get hired, as jobs cannot be left to market forces: Tharman
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/attachments-and-traineeships-being-secured-to-help-singaporeans-get-hired-as-jobs-cannot-be?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-17%2019%3A06%3A32

Ben
[7:45 pm, 17/06/2020] : Yep this is the plan! Will be seeing friends initially,  then stay home for a while and see how cases go. I assume my friends are safe at the moment, but a week from now, who knows...

REACH
[7:46 pm, 17/06/2020] : More support for employers who join national effort to hire middle-aged, older workers: Tharman
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/more-support-for-employers-who-join-national-effort-to-hire-middle-aged-older-workers?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-17%2019%3A06%3A16

REACH
[7:50 pm, 17/06/2020] : All secondary school students to get personal laptop or tablet for learning by 2021: Tharman
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/all-secondary-school-students-to-get-personal-laptop-or-tablet-for-learning-by-2021?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-17%2019%3A06%3A10

REACH
[7:51 pm, 17/06/2020] : Singapore will “redouble efforts” to strengthen its social compact and lessen inequalities amid economic challenges caused by COVID-19, Senior Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said.
The Government will provide more support in hiring middle-aged and older workers, and invest more in helping students from disadvantaged backgrounds, he added.
Watch his full televised address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrAWF9sbyz8
Read: https://cna.asia/2URLaPo

REACH
[7:52 pm, 17/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Senior Minister Tharman’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
As we adapt and adjust to Phase 2 of the post Circuit Breaker, how can we continue to care for the vulnerable among us?

Alvin
[7:53 pm, 17/06/2020] : The part where he said “no Singaporean who’s willing to learn shouldn’t be given the opportunity, no Singaporean who’s willing to adapt should be overqualified” resonates with me.
[7:54 pm, 17/06/2020] : I also think the reason why many Singaporeans are unwilling to take up temporary or lower paying jobs after they are laid off is due to our HR practises.

WilonLeong
[7:55 pm, 17/06/2020] : Everyone is give. A chance to move up the ladder even Low income person. He/she will get help to study if they want

Alvin
[7:55 pm, 17/06/2020] : Local HR practices look at last drawn salary. So if a local is considering to take a lower paying job, he will know he will not be able to attain his last drawn salary amount for at least x number of years.

SL
[7:55 pm, 17/06/2020] : Replaced with cheaper, potential and younger workforce?

Alvin
[7:56 pm, 17/06/2020] : This might put off locals from taking temp gigs
[7:56 pm, 17/06/2020] : If the gov is sincere, legislative HR practices and not allow them to ask for last drawn salary.
[7:57 pm, 17/06/2020] : Salary packages should be coming from them that is pegged to an industry standard.
[7:57 pm, 17/06/2020] : My 2.14 cents

Leonard Lau
[7:57 pm, 17/06/2020] : Most of the time .. it’s ego and stigma caused the problem when people refuse to take a lower pay  or temp job

SL
[7:58 pm, 17/06/2020] : Is the Existing commitment of applicant and the hr practice of doubting the interviewee capability of taking up contract work? Influenced the hiring rate

REACH
[7:58 pm, 17/06/2020] : Better jobs, income security for lower-wage workers in future may mean a small rise in cost of services for Singaporeans: Tharman
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/better-jobs-income-security-for-lower-wage-workers-in-future-may-mean-a-small-rise-in-cost?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-17%2019%3A06%3A48

[8:02 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
"No Singaporean who is willing to learn should be 'too old' to hire. And no one who is willing to adapt should be viewed as 'overqualified'," said Mr Tharman,
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The above 2 statement are the 2 major obstacles that older workers faces in getting re-employment if they are retrenched.
(1) Many employers will look at the age during hiring.
If the hirer is younger than you - chances that the older workers will not get the job - even if the older workers can do the job.

(2) If the hirer look at the track record of the older worker and then the last-drawn salary. (which is usually high) --- the hirer will conclude that the older worker are over-qualified for the jobs - and will not be hired for the job thinking that he will not stay long for the job.

(3) The reason why SM Tharman raise this 2 issues are that --- this is the 2 major reasons why many older mature workers are not hired or difficult to get a job when retrenched.

[9:01 pm, 17/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) Older mature workers in their 40s, 50s and 60s - are the most vulnerable groups - as many have school-going children and have elderly parents to feed.

(2) If they lose their jobs (some are even the sole breadwinner) - the whole family will be in a very dire situation - as they will also have financial burden to bear - eg. financing housing loan, study loan, and don't what's else loans...

(3) Thus priorities should be given to these group of older workers - to ensure that if they lose their jobs - all his/her dependants will not go down with undue sufferings.

REACH
[8:05 pm, 17/06/2020] : Full transcript of SM Tharman’s National Broadcast can be found here: https://www.gov.sg/article/senior-minister-tharman-shanmugaratnam-a-stronger-and-more-cohesive-society

Alvin
[8:08 pm, 17/06/2020] : Ah I think Danny got the quotes right, mine is wrong lol

REACH
[8:10 pm, 17/06/2020] : The Covid-19 pandemic has widened social divisions around the world, and Singapore must "absolutely defy" the loss of social cohesion, polarisation and despair, says Senior Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam.
More about his national broadcast: https://str.sg/JWqF

CQ
[8:20 pm, 17/06/2020] : Love Mr Tharman!! ❤️

Stanley
[8:22 pm, 17/06/2020] : He speaks with conviction and from the heart

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REACH
[12:55 pm, 18/06/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Our chat will be open from 1pm to 8pm today.
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The topic will be posted shortly.

REACH
[12:59 pm, 18/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Senior Minister Tharman’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
How can we play our part to build a stronger and more cohesive society?
During the national broadcast on "A Stronger and More Cohesive Society”, Senior Minister Tharman reiterated the need to remain united as a society. He also mentioned that Singapore’s future depends on how it’s people overcome challenges together.
Senior Minister Tharman said: “Singapore cannot defy the global economic downturn. But we must absolutely defy the loss of social cohesion, the polarisation and the despair that is taking hold in many other countries.”
👉 https://cna.asia/2URLaPo
👉 https://str.sg/JWqF
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Rama
[1:01 pm, 18/06/2020] : You are never too old or over qualified to be denied suitable employment.

Ben
[1:11 pm, 18/06/2020] : Everyone pays just a little bit more to ensure every one has a better future.

[1:12 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://youtu.be/crjkwb7wtz4

[1:13 pm, 18/06/2020] : "The Government is also making a “concerted effort” to help middle-aged and mature Singaporean workers, said Mr Tharman, adding that employers will get extra support when they hire these workers." This is important as we want to see what Government can give to persuade the employers to take on senior employees.
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[1:57 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) The job situation for the old and mature workers have been a long time issues - not easy to resolve - as there is a need a shift in the mindset not only for the employers but also for the mature workers.

(2) SM Tharman has accurately pointed out the 2 main obstacles for hiring older workers, the mindest of hirers that mature workers are :-
a. Too old
b. Over-qualified (and another implicit factor - high pay)

(3) For hirers to start recruiting mature workers, it is important for Government, Unions to sit down with Employers to address the 2 obstacles in a structured, formalised and transparent manner.
a. Too old - slow but experienced,
- old but healthy,
- younger boss but must have patient with mature workers and important to have empathy (as older workers will have a different disposition as younger workers). Younger boss as managers will need to have good EQ to manage not only younger workers - but also older ones who have different disposition.
- younger boss must look at mature workers as "steady pair of hands" - able to do the work

b. Over-qualified
- older workers will have a long-track record and belts of experience behind him or her (and also older practices that may not be in synch with newer practices).
Thus younger boss must have good IQ and EQ - to be able to amplified the mature workers experience to bring good outcomes to the jobs and sieve out - outdated practices.

- I am sure mature workers can work well with the younger boss and the Employers - by being realistic, adaptable and ability to mix well with the culture of the new boss and companies - if give chances.

- Mature workers have "steady hands" - and know what can be done and what cannot be done --- as they are usually street-smart --- having taken knocks through so many years of experience.

- If younger boss is able to have "listening ears" --- I am sure the new ways of doing work by infusing the steady pair of hands from the older workers --- will be a formidable combination that make the work and project outcome much better.


Rama
[2:01 pm, 18/06/2020] : Agree

WilsonLeong
[2:01 pm, 18/06/2020] : https://t.me/cnalatest/2976
[2:02 pm, 18/06/2020] : Just announced

REACH
[2:02 pm, 18/06/2020] : S'pore GE: No physical rallies for election campaign, candidates to get TV airtime for constituency political broadcasts
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge-no-physical-rallies-for-election-campaign-candidates-to-get-tv-airtime-for?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-18%2014%3A06%3A05

Ben
[2:05 pm, 18/06/2020] : good idea, makes sense


[2:05 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: ---
(1) Ultimately, everyone will get old one day.

(2) The younger boss will also get old one day.

(3) The younger workers will also get old one day.

(4) If the younger bosses and younger workers - don't give a chance to the older mature workers - which could be a father, an uncle ---- then one day, these younger bosses and younger workers will one day get old --- and in return received the same treatment when they get old.

(5) Jack Ma in the video say 3 things :-
- IQ - Intelligent Quotient
- EQ - Emotional Quotient
- LQ - Love Quotient

-- all very relevant to our context in our discussion of helping mature workers to get employment.

- Younger boss must have good IQ --- I will instead must have Wisdom Quotient --- able to see a complete picture and able to see far -- because it will also affect you based on what you do now --- because you will also get old.

- Younger boss must have good EQ - emotional quotient - to have the good management capabilities to manage not only younger workers but also older workers.

- Younger must also have good LQ - love quotient - to be able to extend your compassion to the older workers -- because one day you will also be old - and need the compassion of future younger boss to give you opportunity if you lose your job one day.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[2:06 pm, 18/06/2020] : (5) IQ, EQ, LQ, when BBQ?

Wow!
[2:12 pm, 18/06/2020] : https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/03/26/commentary/japan-commentary/elderly-workers-expectations-challenges/

REACH
[2:12 pm, 18/06/2020] : The Elections Department has announced new rules to keep voters, candidates and officials safe amid the Covid-19 outbreak.
Read more on the new guidelines for the upcoming Singapore GE here: https://str.sg/JWxm

Caleb
[2:19 pm, 18/06/2020] : I thought election liao.

Rama
[2:30 pm, 18/06/2020] : Alan datang cepat

REACH
[3:25 pm, 18/06/2020] : COVID-19: Selected Kopitiam, Food Junction food courts to test table-top separators for safe dining
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/table-top-separators-temasek-foundation-food-courts-canteens-12847764

REACH
[4:00 pm, 18/06/2020] : JUST IN: Singapore confirms 257 new Covid-19 cases, including 4 in the community.
Read more: https://str.sg/JWxt
[4:05 pm, 18/06/2020]: [Sent by Gov.sg – 18 Jun]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 257 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Based on investigations so far, 4 are cases in the community (1 PR, 3 Work Pass holders).
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh18junupdate

[4:15 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
1 SC PR. 3 work pass holders.
Still got community cases lurking around.

[4:15 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
We must not lower our guard as we open up in Phase 2.

Ben
[4:22 pm, 18/06/2020] : The virus is not eradicated, nor will be for months maybe years (until vaccine is fully deployed)
[4:23 pm, 18/06/2020] : We can't allow a few cases to paralyse us. Look at NZ - it was gone until 2 people went on a road trip and spread it around.

Rama
[4:23 pm, 18/06/2020] : Yes

SS
[4:52 pm, 18/06/2020] : We are not only going into phase 2, but our borders are also going to open up to some business clients to travel in and out for some of those 'Cleared'' or less cases countries.

Rama
[4:53 pm, 18/06/2020] : Tread with extreme caution!

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REACH
[2:30 pm, 18/06/2020] : New model of constructive cooperation needed to find global solutions amid Covid-19 pandemic: Heng Swee Keat
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/new-model-of-constructive-cooperation-needed-to-find-global-solutions-amid-covid-19?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-18%2014%3A06%3A58

[7:38 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) Setting up our MAS office in Shanghai to strengthen our capital and financial market linkages is strategic and important.

(2) Shanghai links the West of China from Chongqing to the East as part of BRI using Shanghai sea route ports - that serve the North East Asia eg. Japan, S Korea, Taiwan --- and will likely take the Arctic sea route.

(3) Chongqing link to Guangdong and Hainan ports are the West to South BRI links - that come to ASEAN via sea route and to Singapore ports.

(4) By setting up a financial office in Shanghai and leveraging on our RMB conversion centre - we can help to finance the BRI from China West to East and tap on the North Asia market and link up to our Singapore ports --- so that we can help to finance BRI trade through sea route via the Straits of Malacca, we can also tap onto the Arctic sea route that serve the North Asia Countries.

[7:48 pm, 18/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
WHO hopes for hundreds of millions of vaccine doses this year, 2 billion next year
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/who-hopes-for-hundreds-of-millions-of-vaccine-doses-this-year-2-billion-next-year?cx_testId=20&cx_testVariant=cx_4&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

REACH - 101. Minister Chan Chun Sing - making a living in covid-19 world(SK)
14 Jun 2020 (6pm - 10pm)

REACH
[4:16 pm, 14/06/2020] : Dear contributors,
We will be opening the chat from 6pm to 10pm today. The topic will be posted later.
Thank you
Megan 😄

REACH
[6:01 pm, 14/06/2020] : Dear contributors,
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Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
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REACH
[6:01 pm, 14/06/2020]  Minister for Trade and Industry Chan Chun Sing will deliver the fourth National Broadcast this evening on the theme, "Making a Living in a COVID-19 World" at the following times:
7.30pm – English Broadcast (CNA)
8.30pm – Malay Broadcast (Suria)
8.30pm – English broadcast with sign language interpretation (Channel 5)
9.00pm – Tamil broadcast (Vasantham)
9.30pm – Mandarin broadcast (Channel 8)
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[6:09 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/authorities-warn-of-fake-tracetogether-apps-urge-users-to-download-from-official-sources?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-12%2014%3A06%3A11
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Straits Times
Authorities warn of fake TraceTogether apps, urge users to download from official sources
PUBLISHED 12 Jun 2020
Hariz Baharudin

The Straits Times understands that the fake apps have the same branding as the TraceTogether app, but contain malicious software designed to steal sensitive information such as passwords and banking details.
In a blog post on Wednesday (June 10), United States-based cyber security firm Anomali said that it has discovered at least 12 bogus contact tracing apps that have been designed to fool users, which hackers are using to spread malicious software and steal data.
Two of the 12 fake apps that Anomali found mimicked TraceTogether.
The firm said the apps, once installed on a device, are designed to download and install malware and steal banking credentials and personal data.
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[2:24 pm, 21/03/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) Assessing the use of Tracetogether Mobil Apps - to help in contact tracing.
d. Each time the hackee do eCommerce transaction eg. do banking, buy or sell share, access his CPF, etc ---- the malware with keylogger - will capture the hackee id, password, the SMS OTP that drop into his handphone and pipe them to the hacker server --- who will then use hackee id, password and sms otp to access his banking, share, cpf ----- and transfer their money, sell their share, transfer out the cpf balances etc to the hacker account --- each time the hackee access the internet via 4G or secure wi-fi to do their digital transaction.
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Straits Times
Authorities warn of fake TraceTogether apps, urge users to download from official sources
PUBLISHED 12 Jun 2020
Hariz Baharudin

Users who have downloaded applications from unofficial sources should delete these apps, and run an antivirus scan on their devices. In cases where users cannot delete the application after it has been installed, they could perform a factory reset on their device to remove the potentially dangerous app.
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[12:21 pm, 08/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Preparing ourselves from installing contact tracing tool :-
How to recover your handphone in the event of a malware attack, ransonware etc?
(4) Do a Security Virus scan to your handphone device ( to clean up the virus ) - everyday.
If can remove the malware, botnet, spyware, ransonware or virus - good.

(6) If cannot, then prepare to do a "drastic measure" to clear the malware, botnet, spyware, ransonware or virus.
You will need to ensure all your phone data - are properly backup to the Google Cloud as well as to your other personal backup devices - so that you can recover your data later.
Do a factory reset to erase all your data and reinstall the Google Android OS into your phone - to remove the malware, botnet, spyware, ransonware or virus.
Do not pay the hacker bitcoin or money -- if your handphone contracted ransonware - because even if you pay - there is no promise that the hacker will remove its ransonware.
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CNA
SingCERT warns of fake COVID-19 contact tracing apps containing malware
12 Jun 2020 03:59PM
(Updated: 12 Jun 2020 04:08PM)
If the application cannot be deleted, users should back up their data and perform a factory reset on the device to try and remove it, said SingCERT.
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[12:21 pm, 08/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(2) Ensure you backup all your contact list to Google drive (cloud) everyday.
(3) Ensure you backup your Whatsapp chat everyday to the Google Drive (cloud).
(5) Copy all the following files from your handphone directory to your laptop harddisk or portable harddisk :-
* DCIM
* Whatsapp media
(6) If cannot, then prepare to do a "drastic measure" to clear the malware, botnet, spyware, ransonware or virus.
You will need to ensure all your phone data - are properly backup to the Google Cloud as well as to your other personal backup devices - so that you can recover your data later.
Do a factory reset to erase all your data and reinstall the Google Android OS into your phone - to remove the malware, botnet, spyware, ransonware or virus.
Do not pay the hacker bitcoin or money -- if your handphone contracted ransonware - because even if you pay - there is no promise that the hacker will remove its ransonware.
(7) Then restore back your phone data from Google Drive (by removing your SIM card and reinsert it back) - Android will prompt and guide you to restore all your data back from the Google drive.
Then restore your other personal data from your personal backup device through your laptop harddisk or portable harddisk.

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Straits Times
Authorities warn of fake TraceTogether apps, urge users to download from official sources
PUBLISHED 12 Jun 2020
Hariz Baharudin

In an advisory on Friday (June 12), Singapore Computer Emergency Response Team (SingCert), a unit of the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore, said that hackers are capitalising on an increased interest in contact tracing applications as countries progressively move out of their coronavirus lockdown phase.
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[12:03 pm, 04/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(5) I seriously think that if a person have initiatives in pushing out any national IT projects - get the endorsement from CSA ( Cyber Security Authority ).
(6) CSA is reviewing and monitoring the National IT CII (Critical Information Infrastructure) - all the 12 to 13 Nation Economic sectors IT infrastructure- and Health IT Infrastructure is also under their purview - in case a person is not aware about it.
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Not leaking.....   Zen Telepathy ......
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Caleb
[6:09 pm, 14/06/2020] : When will announce when Phase 2 open?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:12 pm, 14/06/2020] : To chime in on this,
I recommend that the government doesn't only educate people to install the app from the official sources but also teach users who may not be able to find (or install) the app from their app store for one possible reason, that they're on VPN.
This way, people will not be tricked into installing unofficial apps.
All we have to do is not give people reasons to turn to unofficial sources.

[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
 That's why I support Bluetooth token.

[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Bluetooth apps have the following deficiencies :-

1. Problem working with different OS.

2. Can cause security risk to handphone users such as stealing  handphone users banking credentials and data through passive hacking or active hacking.

3. Eg. Of Passive hacking is when users ignorantly downloading fake apps that steal data.

4. Eg. Of Active hacking is when hackers exploiting weak Bluetooth security by hacking Bluetooth handphone that is turn on in public domain.

[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
The outcome and realities speak for itself.
Luckily the Bluetooth apps is not make mandatory...

[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
1. There's no financial incentives to hack a Bluetooth token as there are no sensitive user bank credentials to be stolen.

2. Apps stored in the token is encrypted. Even if hack and stolen is not useful to the hackers.

3. No financial loss to public users.

4. That's why I support the Bluetooth token.
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Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:14 pm, 14/06/2020] : Please don't flip flop policy on yourself

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[6:15 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
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Straits Time

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/digital-virus-might-be-bigger-threat-than-covid-19-heng-swee-keat

Straits Times
'Digital virus' might be bigger threat than Covid-19: Heng Swee Keat
13 Jun 2020
Singapore must continue to protect itself against security threats such as cybercrime even in the middle of a pandemic, said Deputy Prime Minister Heng Swee Keat.
"A growing and ever-present threat is in cyberspace... The *digital virus* can be as, if not more, damaging than the physical virus."
As a highly digital society, and one that is using more digital tools to fight Covid-19, Singapore must be extra vigilant, he added.
"The security environment is increasingly complex and volatile. As a small country, we do not have the strategic depth to accommodate any compromises in security," he said.
In February, The Straits Times reported that $1 billion would be set aside over the next three years to boost the Government's cyber and data security.
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That is why I like DPM Heng Swee Keat.  He sees what I see - that cybersecurity must be the core of any IT design that roll out to the public.

Minister Vivian also say that Tracetogether token should be open up in code, design - for public feedback and can be improved upon.

Minister Vivian openess, transparency, honesty, getting public to jointly improve the Tracetogether token so that people will willingly adopt the solution and use it to protect ourselves against the virus pandemic without attempt to sugar-coat - will surely win public confidence and acceptance.

We have good Ministers who spare no effort to emphasize good quality and with high integrity.
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[12:03 pm, 04/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(2) If a person have the mindset of building IT infrastructure or IT apps - without regard to building in IT security ---- then the person is building a dangerous platform that will cause tremendous economic, social and even physical damages to the Nation.

(3) Just rent a video Diehard 4 --- and watch the whole movie - how international hackers - destroy a whole city by exploiting the IT vulnerabilities - then it is more fruitful to start  discussion here - if a person still have the notion about pushing IT initiatives with no regard to IT securities.

(4) I think a person will have very short memory, if one have forgotten the Singhealth hacking - APT - Advanced Persistent Threat conducted by State Hackers hacking into the Singhealth network - where we have just toil and completed the arduous task of plugging the IT securities loopholes in the SingHealth IT infrastructure - and now a person can talk about disregarding IT security.

(5) I seriously think that if a person have initiatives in pushing out any national IT projects - get the endorsement from CSA (Cyber Security Authority).

(6) CSA is reviewing and monitoring the National IT CII (Critical Information Infrastructure) - all the 12 to 13 Nation Economic sectors IT infrastructure- and Health IT Infrastructure is also under their purview - in case a person is not aware about it.

(7) A national IT project will never get passed the Security Review Committee for any Government or Nation-Wide IT infrastructure project - if a person disregard IT security.

(8) IT security must be the core of the design of any IT projects and must not be an afterthought.

(9) After completing an IT project and then start to think about its security is a patchwork.

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[2:28 pm, 05/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If these Bluetooth vulnerability is not secured, malware that attack handphone with Bluetooth turn on (which is against the security best practice) - will spread like wildfire akin to covid-19 infection for all those handphone or devices with Bluetooth turn on.

[4:32 pm, 05/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Else we got to fight 3 fronts in national scale.
1. Virus
2. Economy
3. *Digital virus*
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[12:22 pm, 06/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
So now can understand why I so paranoid to get everything right before pushing any system to public.
Because there will be *liability to the government* if any *security breach* happen.

[12:25 pm, 06/05/2020] : esp when ZOOM was rolled out for HBL in schools, they face some security issues initially and then it was resolved thereafter

[12:27 pm, 06/05/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
But won't it be better to get everything right before pushing out?
Zoom cause embarrassment to the students.
But what happens if national security meeting is recorded by hackers?

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REACH
[6:34 pm, 14/06/2020] : COVID-19: Public servant arrested under OSA for allegedly sharing classified information about Phase 2
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-man-arrested-osa-whatsapp-message-phase-2-12833794

Ken
[6:36 pm, 14/06/2020] : 🤦‍♂️
[6:36 pm, 14/06/2020] : Another one their sense of secrecy really 🤦‍♂️

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:37 pm, 14/06/2020] : Honestly it's easy for us to comment but when you handle such things daily you'll get desensitized, another thing is we're all humans, you want to keep a secret? Suggest you use encryption then

Ken
[6:38 pm, 14/06/2020] : When you have access to sensitive information, you are paid to keep them. Not spread for whatever reason you have.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:39 pm, 14/06/2020] : Again, easy for you to say

Ken
[6:43 pm, 14/06/2020] : 🤷‍♂️ oh well, no point debate for this. Information to me if you have access, you are bound by your duty. Unless you think is morally wrong to keep it in.
Otherwise, you are paid to do your job. If you can’t do it quit. Thats how I look at it. Easy or not don’t need to prove to people.

Alvin
[6:45 pm, 14/06/2020] : Need to know basis

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:45 pm, 14/06/2020] : You must understand that the reason such information keeps getting leaked is because they want to help.
Nobody can just handle that information and leave it be, it's human nature.

Ken
[6:45 pm, 14/06/2020] : If not declare anything can change at last min

Alvin
[6:46 pm, 14/06/2020] : If this person knows, either he is suppose to know and should not reveal (hence he is breaking OSA) or he dig info out which is not his privy.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:47 pm, 14/06/2020] : For this case, it's the former but rather than just read the news, we should figure out why this keeps happening rather than say "oh that's wrong" and dismiss the news afterwards
After all, this is not the first OSA offence related to COVID-19

Ken
[6:50 pm, 14/06/2020] : Have advance knowledge of situation, then the rest of the public also creates distrust. And only a handful will received such “useful” information. Which can benefit from it. Example face shield can or cannot be used. When which shops can open. Etc

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:51 pm, 14/06/2020] : Do not understand your ststement

Ken
[6:56 pm, 14/06/2020] : Having pre-declare information means you have access to information that people can benefit from it, example business side or stocks related.
Works to increase investment in food, when they investing in it. People can prepare bids more time to prepare, the list goes on. Giving people unfair advantage with the knowledge.

[6:56 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) Thought that Government will usually categories document and information into "confidential", "restricted", "secret", "top secret".

(2) All information related to the above classification - cannot leak into public domain and cannot share with anyone that is not authorised to receive these information.

(3) Else OSA will kick in.

(4) Every civil servants will have to sign this declaration upon joining the service.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:57 pm, 14/06/2020] : There is no doubt about the OSA.
The doubt is how can we avoid further instances!

Ken
[6:58 pm, 14/06/2020] : Don’t want to say it but to have even tougher stand on such leak. 😔 when people just can’t keep it in.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:00 pm, 14/06/2020] : Nothing against you, this is about prevention rather than cure (damage control)

Ken
[7:08 pm, 14/06/2020] : As you know human is involve, really hard to secure everything. Prevention, tougher stand also act as prevention.
High level stuff, also have people working at the lower level.

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Ken
[7:16 pm, 14/06/2020] : 🤣

[7:17 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Very often with mask on, we can't recognise our friends or colleagues.

Such masks will give us a recognizable face when we meet our friends and colleagues.

(Contribution from my close friend).

XaniceAfcai
[7:26 pm, 14/06/2020] : Agreed. I can't but my neighbours fr next block recognise me. Oops

[7:27 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Hahahaha I like.
I bump into my neighbor who wear a big mask.
She wave to me and I can't recognise her.
Then I say are you my neighbor?
She say yes - and I started to laugh.
I say I can't recognise you in your mask.
This one is a good one.

XaniceAfcai
[7:31 pm, 14/06/2020] : So malu sometimes. Even my col fr diff level also dun recognise me... I wave at her when we r on same lift..
The hawker centre I always tabao... Recognise me leh..

[7:32 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Hahahaha.
So that photo masks machine give a face to our mask.

XaniceAfcai
[7:36 pm, 14/06/2020] : My fren commented look like monkey

[7:37 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Hahahaha.
Some people will like it.
Some will have different opinion.
But is certainly a good humour.

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REACH
[6:35 pm, 14/06/2020] : Iswaran, Chan Chun Sing to chair new ministerial committee on digital transformation
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/iswaran-chan-chun-sing-ministerial-committee-digitalisation-12832576

[7:20 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
(1) CNA reported that US and EU is the largest trading partners with China.

(2) However, when covid-19 kicks in for the 2 months, ASEAN become the largest trading partners with China.

(3) If Singapore business are able to leverage on Digitalisation, we can get a headstart of quickly securing our supply chain with both ASEAN and China - to regain our lost trade.

(4) So it is imperative for all our business, large enterprise, middle enterprise and small enterprise to quickly transformed and tap on the digital transformation - the ASEAN and China market is very big -- and if especially if the RCEP is signed --- we can quickly jumpstart our trade with the RCEP members.

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REACH
[8:27 pm, 14/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
How can we play our part to keep the economy competitive, so that businesses can prosper and create good jobs for Singaporeans?

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[8:46 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Important key messages by Minister Chan Chun Sing that are important to me :-

(1) Life, Livelihood and Lifelines (new buzzword created - global supply chain) - are impacted by covid-19.

(2) Cannot save every business, and every job - but will save every Singaporeasn.

(3) Target to create 100,000 jobs - healthcare, ICT, transport, preschool, financial services.

(4) Redesign new business model to exploit new opportunities.

(5) Foreign investors choose Singapore because we are well connected globally, skill workforce, reliable and trusted hub - not because we are cheap or have abundant of natural resources.

(6) We provide 4 top drugs out of 10 in the World. And we are top producers of chemical in the World.

(7) We have resecured most of the essentials and food supply chain - and ensure that we have access to essential goods and food.

(8) Government will keep faith with Singaporeans as Singaporeans keep faith with the Government.

(9) As World trade fragment, we have managed to keep bi-lateral, multi-lateral trade agreement intact. eg. Bi-lateral FTA, CPTPP and the up and coming RCEP.

(10) All these will give us opportunities for our business to grow, investors to want to invest in Singapore to tap into our big regional markets.

(11) Similarly, our business must also leverage digitialisation and transform ourselves to market our products and services to the big regional markets.

(12) Attract global talents to come to Singapore to complement our workforce and work for our sides and grow our busines regionally.

(13) Give our workers opportunities in training and excel.

(14) Digitalisation and Internationalisation - are the 2 key buzzwords - that our business and workers must hone their skills on --- to ensure our business can grow not only domestically but also in huge overseas market - and create wealth for Singapore.

[8:56 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: ---
(1) One generation Pioneer Generation and Merdeka Generation - move Singapore from 3rd World to the 1st World --- with determination, incorruptibility, competency, diligent - building top notch infrastructure such as Changi Airport, ports, HDB, MRT etc bricks by bricks --- overcoming insurmountable challenges.

(2) Today Singapore is in a better position compared to the Pioneer Generation and Merdeka Generation - and we can overcome the seemingly insurmountable challenge post by this covid-19 ---- with the same gumption, guts, determination anchor on the same values of the Pioneer Generation and Merdeka Generation - that define us as Singaporeans.

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REACH
[9:45 pm, 14/06/2020] : Hello REACH Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight! 😴
- Megan

[9:47 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-student-st-anthony-s-canossian-secondary-school-12833904
Look like face masks is the life savers in preventing the spread of the virus.

[9:48 pm, 14/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Masks significantly reduce infection risk, likely preventing thousands of COVID-19 cases: Study
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/masks-significantly-reduce-infection-risk-likely-preventing-12831644

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Boon2
[9:57 pm, 14/06/2020] : The Minister's passion can be seen in his pumping fist and other gestures. Thank you.
I thought there were missed opportunities to better understand the challenges that face Singapore's businesses and what the concrete directions forward.

For example, if global economics is expected to be muted, where is the economic demand coming from for the 100,000 new jobs that he had emphasised? Digitalisation was stressed again - but what are the plans to address some key effects of digitalisation which includes removing certain daily economy's jobs?

2. There are topics that the respected Trade Minister had stressed, that I thought would have been better if they were left to MOM to introduce and articulate  e.g. helping businesses to hire, re-skilling, setting up job placement centres, etc.

3. The speech seemed to  a lot on what was done and feel-good words.  It left me looking for concrete action steps that will be taken to increase Singapore's competitiveness. For example, is Singapore still largely on track for MTI's Industry Transformation plans, and which industry clusters are expected to lead our economic recovery and growth in a tremendously changed world trade dynamics?

As another question, how is MTI doing to help Singapore to achieve higher food security? Are there plans to ensure greater Singapore's self-sufficiency  in certain industries and skills as a result of lessons learned from CoVID pandemic and the changing global trading system?

REACH - 100. SM Teo Chee Hean speech - Resilience in a changing external environment (SK)
11 Jun 2020 (6pm - 10pm)

REACH
[6:02 pm, 11/06/2020] : Senior Minister Teo Chee Hean will deliver the third National Broadcast this evening on the theme, "Resilience in a changing external environment" at the following times:
7.30pm – English Broadcast (CNA)
8.30pm – Malay Broadcast (Suria)
8.30pm – English broadcast with sign language interpretation (Channel 5)
9.00pm – Tamil broadcast (Vasantham)
9.30pm – Mandarin broadcast (Channel 8)

We will be posting some questions on the National Broadcast after the speech.

Caleb
[6:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : https://www.facebook.com/194906907232595/posts/3239514916105097/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
[6:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : https://www.facebook.com/194906907232595/posts/3239521822771073/?sfnsn=wa&d=w&vh=e
[6:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : https://youtu.be/m2E8K1v8tqo

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REACH
[3:43 pm, 11/06/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 11 Jun]
As of 12pm, MOH has preliminarily confirmed an additional 422 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore.
Majority are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories.
Based on investigations so far, 5 are cases in the community (1 Singaporean, 4 Work Pass holders).
MOH will share further updates in its press release that will be issued later tonight.
go.gov.sg/moh11junupdate

[6:06 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Look like those staying outside the dorm still got reservoirs of hidden cases quietly spreading.
Maybe a more targeted testing of those work pass and work permit holders not staying in dorm should be conducted before releasing to the workplace.

[6:17 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This will help to cut down the number of community spreading through this source who are not staying in dorm but still comprises pocket of hidden reservoirs.

[6:21 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
1. Preschool aggressive testing have been completed and no more infection come from this source.

2. Nursing homes batch have also been completed and no more reported infection come from this source.

3. Now should shift the testing batch to non-dorm FWs.


[6:24 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:

[6:30 pm, 25/04/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend comments :-
(4) But every asymptomatic case that slip by can turn into a thousand cases in 10days. When it quietly spread until beyond control, we are finished.
(5) Really hope sg is doing aggressive testing.

My comments :-
(1) Yes. Your suggestion of aggressive testing is the right strategy to weed out the unlink cases in Singapore - which remain a stealth reservoir in the Community that are stealthly and silently infecting unsuspecting people in the Community.

My close friend response :-
(1) It's about maximising outcomes, minimising disasters. unless we are poor and cannot afford it. Economic shut costs much much more.

My comments :-
(1) Aggressive testings is the right approach, but to test all 5.6 million residents in Singapore at one go - is a very challenging and daunting tasks.

(2) Thus we need to priorities our testing, I suggest that :-
a. Batch 1 - Dorms for foreign workers are now undergoing aggressive testing. Majority of the infected people have been identified.

b. Batch 2 - Foreign workers outside the dorms are undergoing tests now concurrently - and this form the 2nd largest group after the dorms reported every day.

c. Batch 3 --- Note :- the community local transmission and the unlink cases that are reported everyday --- are coming from this group.
But this group are all the residents in Singapore - citizens, PRs, Long Term Pass Holders. --- which form about 3 to 4 million people.
To conduct aggressive testings to this large pool of people to weed out the 30 to 20 over cases --- will be a challenge.
So I suggest we do the following :-

(i) Batch 3a - Test all essential workers that are working now - as some unlink cases come from this batch - about 300,000 workers.

Batch 3b - Test all nursing homes - where some unlink cases - have been uncovered through this batch - number unknown - but not a big number, I guess.

Batch 3c - Test all pre-school students and staff who will be attending pre-school once circuit breaker ends - as some cases also come from this batch - number unknown --- but i guess quite a big number.

Batch 3d - Test all workers that will be going to work for non-essential services when circuit breakers end - as few cases are reported from this group - a big number - potentially about 1 to 2 million workers?

Batch 3e - Test all school going children eg. primary, secondary, JCs, IHLs - that need to go to schools and pose a risk of cross infection - before circuit breaker ends - potentially about 1 to 2 million students?

(ii) Note :- by testing all the Batch 3a to 3e ---- if there is any discovered cases --- their family members or those living with them or come into with them will be tested --- and these will have weed out the unlink cases.

(iii) Can we take the risk of not testing all those staying at home --- yes i think we can --- because if the above batches are tested - with no infection - very likely that those stay at home are not infected.

(iv) If anyone of the tested batchs have people infected, then likely that those stay with them will be infected - and this stay at home can be tested.

(v) Believe in this way --- we have a systematic aggressive way of testings to weed out all the unlink cases in the Community.

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[7:29 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-to-start-clinical-trials-for-potential-covid-19-treatment?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-10%2012%3A06%3A24

This is the best news development for so many months.
Hopefully the human trial succeed and a nationwide vaccination programme can be conducted - so that we can go back to pre-covid state.

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REACH
[7:31 pm, 11/06/2020] : LIVE NOW: Senior Minister Teo Chee Hean makes a televised address on how Singaporeans can stay resilient in a changing external environment.
LIVE STREAM: http://cna.asia/youtubelive
The national broadcast can also be found on governmental platforms such as Gov.sg website, YouTube channel and Twitter page.

[7:55 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
SM Teo very good speaker. He keep me transfixed to the TV.

Dongliang
[7:59 pm, 11/06/2020] : Lawrence Wong also speaks very well.

Caleb
[7:56 pm, 11/06/2020] : 👍
[7:56 pm, 11/06/2020] : very long never see him talk already

Alvin
[7:56 pm, 11/06/2020] : He lack of saying pls give us 100% mandate only
[7:56 pm, 11/06/2020] : The middle portion was the best

Ken
[7:57 pm, 11/06/2020] : 🤣

Alvin
[8:02 pm, 11/06/2020] : you couldn't feel it? i felt it, it is something to feel proud and blessed about

Ken
[8:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : In trouble times.. don’t think anyone dare to risk it

Alvin
[8:04 pm, 11/06/2020] : yes better not waste this crisis

REACH
[7:57 pm, 11/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Senior Minister Teo’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
How can Singapore maintain its relevance on the world stage with the changing geopolitical climate?
👉 https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/how-spore-intends-to-uphold-its-standing-in-a-new-world-changed-by-covid-19-teo-chee-hean?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-11%2019%3A06%3A19

Rama
[8:01 pm, 11/06/2020] : Cannot wait to hear Tharman speak!

Alvin
[8:02 pm, 11/06/2020] : oh yes
[8:02 pm, 11/06/2020] : 3 more speakers right?

REACH
[8:08 pm, 11/06/2020] : Covid-19 shows importance of building up reserves and resilience, says Teo Chee Hean
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/covid-19-shows-importance-of-building-up-reserves-and-resilience-says-teo-chee-hean?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-11%2020%3A06%3A27

Alvin
[8:39 pm, 11/06/2020] : The middle portion where he spoke about the different teams playing different roles to help secure our vulnerabilities ie diplomats, frontline staff etc.
We should always try to maintain good relationship with all if possible. Always neutral yet objective and always sticking to our principles and rule of law.
My 2.14 cents

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REACH
[8:58 pm, 11/06/2020] : Resilience in a changing external environment: Full text of Senior Minister Teo Chee Hean's national broadcast on Covid-19 challenges
https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/resilience-in-a-changing-external-environment-full-text-of-senior-minister-teo-chee-heans?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-06-11%2020%3A06%3A36

Desmond Koh
[9:01 pm, 11/06/2020] : Digressed sorry
@@☸️  Danny 心 @Leonard Lau  @נתנאל חן ויי ליאנג 🇮🇱
A short paper for you to read :)
*BlueTrace: A privacy-preserving protocol for
community-driven contact tracing across borders*
https://bluetrace.io/static/bluetrace_whitepaper-938063656596c104632def383eb33b3c.pdf
btw seems like the token will also be BLE technology....
^Mobile apps and wearables (in the future) that deploy the BlueTrace protocol are able to blend decentralised and centralised models of contact tracing.^

[9:03 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I have no problems and supported the use of Bluetooth token for contact tracing.

REACH
[9:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Senior Minister Teo’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
How can Singapore maintain its relevance on the world stage with the changing geopolitical climate?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : Not surprising they'll use BLE because battery ma 😉

Desmond Koh
[9:03 pm, 11/06/2020] : erm I didnt say u have issues, i was just sharing the paper for your reading pleasure :)

[9:04 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
No problems.
Thanks.

REACH
[9:04 pm, 11/06/2020] : 📢Topic📢
Which part of Senior Minister Teo’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
How can Singapore maintain its relevance on the world stage with the changing geopolitical climate?

Ben
[9:05 pm, 11/06/2020] : Received this today, any validity to it?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:06 pm, 11/06/2020] : No

[9:06 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: (1) Other than WW2, and the crisis and uncertainty that we faced after Independence --- the impact of this covid-19 pandemic - is the biggest crisis we ever faced as a Nation.

(2) It invoke not only a National crisis (lives and livelihood) but also a Global crisis (that disrupt the entire global order - not thanking the US trade war - that uproot the global supply chain and chipping away World Institution such as the WTO, WHO, Paris Climate Agreement etc) --- that also threaten our (lives and livelihood) -- through the virus induced and human induced Global crisis.

(3) To weather these double whammy of National crisis and Global crisis - Unity and Solidarity --- our Internal Domestic Unity --- will become vitally important (double important) --- to elect a Capable Government to help Singapore to tide us over - and safeguard our Economy (livelihood) - Economic Resiliency, Physical Safety (to curb the spread and develop vaccines and treatment) and keep us in Unified as a Nation (Social Resiliency).

(4) The above are the key messages that SM Teo has convey -- which I particularly like.

Ben
[9:07 pm, 11/06/2020] : Ok thanks. I suspected as much.

David Murugan
[9:11 pm, 11/06/2020] : Huh?  From where this news?  Another spam?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:12 pm, 11/06/2020] : Gahmen, you want to prove to me they are good at hunting down people who start such falsehoods?

Ben
[9:12 pm, 11/06/2020] : Well it was from someone in restaurant trade so I thought worth checking.

Rama
[9:13 pm, 11/06/2020] : Ok.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:14 pm, 11/06/2020] : Came from absolutely everyone so yeah that's the danger of falsehoods

Ben
[9:40 pm, 11/06/2020] : Exactly

[9:45 pm, 11/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
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So how to maintain our relevance in the world stage with the changing geopolitical climate ?
(1) Important for the Government to quickly get the Election done and over with - by convincingly get Singaporeans to give a clear mandate to tie over the crisis.

(2) Once winning the Election, the Government will have to concentrate in the External Economy and renew tie with all the Foreign Countries and resecure the Global Supply chanin and trade order.
a. First step, hopefully Singapore is successful with our vaccines and treatment human trial.
If successful, we can get all Singaporeans and residents vaccinated - and at the same time, export our vaccines to the World and help other Countries to get their people vaccinated --- so that the World is again safe from virus - and can start to do business with us again.

b. Concentrate in getting RCEP signed by the end of this year --- so that the biggest regional mega trade deal is secured -- and this will help us to jumpstart our external trade.

c. Notice that China is making Hainan Island to be the next free port. Singapore should see how we can work with Hainan Island free port initiative - as we are part of the CCI (Chongqing Connectivity Initiative) where Hainan Island free port is an important part of the connectivity - where Singapore ports can integrate more tightly with Hainan Island.

REACH
[9:50 pm, 11/06/2020] : Hello REACH Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 10 minutes ⏰
As always, thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight! 😴
- Megan

Bobby Tan
[9:50 pm, 11/06/2020] : Good night Megan

REACH
[10:00 pm, 11/06/2020] : Hi REACH Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight!
Megan

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REACH - 99. MTF Minister Lawrence Wong speech - Living with covid-19 (SK)
09 Jun 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH


REACH
[6:00 pm, 09/06/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Our chat will be open from 6pm to 10pm today.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
Minister Lawrence Wong will deliver the second National Broadcast this evening on the theme, "Living with COVID-19" at the following times:
7.30pm – English Broadcast (CNA)
8.30pm – Malay Broadcast (Suria)
8.30pm – English broadcast with sign language interpretation (Channel 5)
9.00pm – Tamil broadcast (Vasantham)
9.30pm – Mandarin broadcast (Channel 8)
We will be posting some questions on the National Broadcast after the speech.

[6:10 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:-

My closed friends contribution :-

Business health safety risk :-
Rank by Michigan public health. 1 being least risky, 10 most risky in spreading covid
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/06/from-hair-salons-to-gyms-experts-rank-36-activities-by-coronavirus-risk-level.html

Detroit ranking for sports
https://www.clickondetroit.com/sports/2020/06/05/heres-how-25-sports-have-been-divided-into-high-moderate-low-covid-19-risk-categories/

1. As this covid-19 is unprecedented and no Countries in the World has experience in tackling this virus pandemic - the above study conducted by Michigan (on business health safety risk) and Detriot on sports --- can help to provide us useful information to form a baseline to help us to fine tune our approach and safety measures to safeguard against the virus infection - while we open up our Economy.

Ken
[6:11 pm, 09/06/2020] : Oh man buffet gonna be a thing of the past 😭

Ben
[6:12 pm, 09/06/2020] : Thanks for sharing! Useful.
[6:12 pm, 09/06/2020] : But badminton could return sooner. Should rate 1, like tennis:)
[6:13 pm, 09/06/2020] : Doctor waiting room is debatable. 🤔

CQ
[6:22 pm, 09/06/2020] : Yah, i thought the risk would've been higher!

[6:14 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This is the study make by US Michigan who don't play badminton.
Our government need to do our own study to adjust and come out with measures to mitigate.

CQ
[6:25 pm, 09/06/2020] : The risk for offices depends on the seating arrangement. The risk would be higher for those in open concept spaces than those where there are individual rooms.

XaniceAfcai
[6:26 pm, 09/06/2020] : I wonder will or how hair salon will sanitise the scissor n comb after each hair cut..

Rama
[6:26 pm, 09/06/2020] : Good question!

CQ
[6:28 pm, 09/06/2020] : Some places do, like Quick Cuts has a little disinfectant box and they use disposable stuff. But not sure about the rest... I mean, I haven't seen my stylists wipe down.......... 🤔

[6:29 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My barber don't.
That's why I feedback in REACH that some barber don't disinfect after every customer.

Rama
[6:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : Normal barber shops are worrying.

CQ
[6:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : Can bring our own sanitiser spritz next time! :p

Ken
[6:30 pm, 09/06/2020] : 🤣🤣 might as well spray down the barber

Rama
[6:30 pm, 09/06/2020] : Yeah!

[6:30 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
To sanitize the barber's tool?
Hahahaha

Ken
[6:30 pm, 09/06/2020] : If you guys know how we do sterilization of surface in a virus lab, those things they do outside really just for show let you guys feel good

CQ
[6:31 pm, 09/06/2020] : https://youtu.be/pyelx99_zFs
Cut hair like dis!! 🤣

Ken
[6:31 pm, 09/06/2020] : Better than nothing attitude don’t really works. 😅 either you do or you don’t. Half way really don’t help much just waste resource only

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:31 pm, 09/06/2020] : That's the point, reassuring people is key
They don't want to be safe, they want to feel safe so let them have it

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Ron Ho
[6:08 pm, 09/06/2020] : Misunderstanding Singapore
https://thebulwark.com/misunderstanding-singapore/?fbclid=IwAR0F3x3Xs9Mewth25h_GJGKAv76yklyLT-qqKFNFHHFAXM0wpjvUJuPambM

Ben
[6:03 pm, 09/06/2020] : And good news on opening up the airways, at least a little bit. This all helps with the narrative that Singapore will be safe and open for business.   https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/singapore-airlines-has-first-passenger-flight-return-new-zealand-after-lockdown
[6:05 pm, 09/06/2020] : We should also shift the narrative from having a high number of Covid cases due to cramped overcrowding to being a result of effective and efficient testing programmes.
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Anne
[6:13 pm, 09/06/2020] : Trump may be onto something again—this time with UV light and disinfectant.
(The first was HCQ—he probably already knew the study against it was fake, even though 2 leading medical journals published it)
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350

Ken
[6:14 pm, 09/06/2020] : 😅 anything that can kill virus can kill human. Oh well Trump just reducing his supporters, let him be

Anne
[6:15 pm, 09/06/2020] : WHO is seriously messed up. They like to tell the public one thing and behind closed doors another.
(This is the second time in recent months I’ve heard of them lying. The first time was even more scandalous).
https://apnews.com/3c061794970661042b18d5aeaaed9fae

Blue and White Flag Guy
[6:15 pm, 09/06/2020] : Did he Garfunkle himself?

Ken
[6:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : Haha 🤣
Even if they do, how sure you are they are using the right UV? You know the difference between UV-A,B and C?

Anne
[6:28 pm, 09/06/2020] : Pasar malam drug (HCQ+zinc) and designer drug (Remdesivir) face off! Who will win?
A study against the pasar malam drug HCQ was recently exposed as fake.
The unbelievable part is that this fake study was actually published in 2 leading medical journals The Lancet and the NEJM. Makes you wonder how many fake studies are there in these 2 prestigious journals and whether our “local experts” read them like religious texts.
Is this the work of Big Pharma trying to block off patient access to cheapie and effective drug?
Remdesivir, the wonder drug touted by experts to cure Covid-19, was found to have only small benefit in large trial.
Trump has placed his bet on the pasar malam drug. I wonder which drug did our “local experts” place their bets on?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-01/gilead-drug-has-only-modest-benefit-in-large-trial-shares-fall

Ken
[6:28 pm, 09/06/2020] : Do for show one.... really public how many people really know how a UV light works
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[7:18 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I read with concern about this guy petition.
He got his technical facts wrong and misguided people into signing this petition on the use of tracetogether token.

YT
[7:20 pm, 09/06/2020] : Maybe the government can POFMA him! 😉

Min
[7:23 pm, 09/06/2020] : Definitely not. He and over 30k+ people raised their own privacy concerns and as citizens, these concerns are equally valid and needs to be addressed reasonable.

[7:23 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Pofma him is one viable option - to correct his wrong facts.
But not sure how the public take it.
Open forum like yahoo news forum has overwhelming negative response based on his misleading facts written in his petition.

Min
[7:23 pm, 09/06/2020] : Even as a joke I don't see the humour.

[7:25 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If his concern about privacy is based on correct fact - then I am not concerned.
But his argument about breaching of privacy is based on inaccurate technical facts.

Min
[7:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : His argument runs on hyperboles that's for sure, but we cannot have the attitude of oppressing and suppressing inaccuracies, rather address and adjustments and questioning why in the first place were there such extreme concerns? And from nearly 40k people.

[7:27 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Skip to main content
Singapore says 'No' to wearable devices for Covid-19 contact tracing

Wilson Low started this petition to Singapore Government
The Government of the Republic of Singapore proposes that wearable devices be adopted for use by the general population in near-future efforts to reliably achieve contact tracing of persons that have recently come into contact with a Covid-19 infected person.
Minister-in-charge of the Smart Nation initiative, Vivian Balakrishnan, announced the proposal on June 5. He cited poor inter-operability of the existing Trace Together smartphone app across various brands of smartphones as well as the Government's subsequent non-compulsory usage stance as reasons for developing a wearable device.
Such a device, if proven to be successful in trials - and subsequently made available to everyone - would allow contact tracers to locate a person's whereabouts based on their proximity to other persons' phones, cell towers, or potentially their wearable devices themselves.
This will be done regardless of whether the person has a phone or not; regardless whether their phone is switched off or on; whether that person is within reception of a cell tower or not; and regardless whether their phone has wifi or Bluetooth switched off or on.
The only thing that stops this device from potentially being allowed to track citizens' movements 24/7 are: if the wearable device runs out of power; if a counter-measure device that broadcasts a jamming signal masking the device's whereabouts; or if the person chooses to live 'off the grid' in total isolation, away from others and outside of any smartphone/device effective range.
All that is stopping the Singapore Government from becoming a surveillance state is the advent and mandating the compulsory usage of such a wearable device. What comes next would be laws that state these devices must not be turned off/remain on a person at all times - thus sealing our fate as a police state.
Thus, we reject the development of this contact tracing device. We view its advent and subsequent implementation with great suspicion and indignation. The claims that such a device be implemented 'for the greater good' and for 'the safety and protection of all Singaporeans' are false and baseless. According to media reports, the non-successful adoption of the Trace Together app can be superceded by the next step that state-sanctioned technological advancements can offer: and this is it.
The Government looks to the Covid-19 pandemic as the perfect excuse to realise what it has always envisioned for us - this country's populace: to surveil us with impunity, to track us without any technological inhibitions, and maintain a form of movement monitoring on each of us at all times and places. And to do so by decreeing it compulsory for all law-abiding persons to become 'recipients'.
We - as free, independent, and lawful members of the public of Singapore - condemn the device's implementation as blatant infringements upon our rights to privacy, personal space, and freedom of movement. We reject the notion that the non-efficacy of the Trace Together initiative be superceded by a regime that could potentially require all members of the public (regardless of their age, susceptibility to disease, or health status) to give up these rights under fear - not of infection from Covid-19 - but of prosecution by the state.

[7:28 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This is what he has written which has many inaccuracies.

Min
[7:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : Does this say something about our style of governance? Global fears? etc.

Min
[7:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : yes but read my comments, its not about how much upon 100 his petition is based on accuracy, its about what leads to this fear and what concerns they ultimately have and address it well in a way that reaches them.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : Yesterday we talk about Wilson now then you talk about him? 🤣

Min
[7:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : in the end the gov tends to do what they think is right anyways.

Rama
[7:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : Y9

Min
[7:29 pm, 09/06/2020] : who are you addressing?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:32 pm, 09/06/2020] : In times like these, everyone wants to stand out as the expert or spokesperson, Wilson Low doesn't seem to be an exception

[7:33 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Pofma him is not to suppress what he say.
But to correct all his inaccuracies - in which he had misled so many people has sign the petition based on his inaccurate facts.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:34 pm, 09/06/2020] : If we want to talk POFMA, why don't gahmen go hunt down those who start spreading fake news? Only a few charged, what about the rest? Can lari?

[7:36 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
What he has done will not help to contain and fight the virus infections - but will impact people's lives and cause negative impact on the economy.

Ben
[7:45 pm, 09/06/2020] : Yes - it's not censorship. It's about fact-checking and providing accurate information to avoid misleading people.
[7:46 pm, 09/06/2020] : Maybe time for Gov to start sending a clear message of what the Dongle does and doesn't do.
[7:46 pm, 09/06/2020] : Or maybe the message needs to come from a variety of sources so gaining trust

[7:46 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If government is able to point out all the incorrect facts in his petition - this will means all those who sign the petition fall apart.

Rama
[7:50 pm, 09/06/2020] : Yes

Rama
[7:50 pm, 09/06/2020] : Exactly

Rama
[7:50 pm, 09/06/2020] : He needs to be corrected!

Rama
[7:51 pm, 09/06/2020] : Agree

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:51 pm, 09/06/2020] : Can send undisciplined Singaporeans for "re-education"?

Ron Ho

[7:58 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
But what if it is using wrong facts?
And then misled others based on the incorrect facts?

Stanley
[8:01 pm, 09/06/2020]  How do you know technically that there is no infringement on privacy
Are you the producer of the device

[8:04 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/covid-19-contact-tracing-device-will-not-be-an-electronic-tag-to-be-rolled-out-in-june
Read this and compare to what is written by that man - and see for yourself is he technically correct.
I am too lazy to do a point by point rebuttal.

Ron Ho
[8:58 pm, 09/06/2020] : Use private channel. No need to go public or use social media.

[9:02 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If he used the correct channel, even if he is wrong in fact, people can discuss with him and correct him.
And when discussion is anchor on correct facts, people can respect his differing views if it impact him.
But now he misled others in a public petition using wrong facts.
Then if he is not corrected, people will assume what he say is correct even though his facts is wrong.

Ron Ho
[9:09 pm, 09/06/2020] : If a person with incorrect information creates a public petition, that person could be damaging. And should be reined in and corrected.

[9:11 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
This is my point.
If his facts is correct and cause genuine concern - then no one will question him.
But what he say in the message is inaccurate and people responded based on his inaccuracies.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:05 pm, 09/06/2020] : Can I just add something? You're criticizing someone who's doing exactly what you do, isn't that a tad... ironic?

[8:06 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Let the authority do the fact check and corrections.

[8:08 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I say things with fact.
I don't do petition based on wrong facts.
And I don't misled others to join me in petition.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:08 pm, 09/06/2020] : Doesn't make you less like people that are like him though

[8:11 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
You also notice that I won't waste time in frivolous quarell.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:13 pm, 09/06/2020] : After being in this group with you for so long, most of us know your character so we know the line
And I respect you for respecting the line of expertise when coming to PT issues
I'm sure we can all be cordial and courteous so hope you do so to others too :)

[8:14 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I respect everyone as equal.
I only deal with issues and not about people.

Desmond Koh
[8:41 pm, 09/06/2020] : eh chill eh chill....

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:47 pm, 09/06/2020] : Haha funny you appear leh, was referring to you actually
You poor thing lah, always kena pew pew 😳

Desmond Koh
[8:47 pm, 09/06/2020] : we all agree that, contact tracing is required...
how to strike a balance between privacy and the greater well being is the key...
I still stand by the thinking that how Korea, Taiwan, China do their contact tracing is down right smack down without any privacy catered...
There is no right or wrong in a petition while the person's understanding of the token may not be fully accurate thats is why Vivian came out to explain...
Do note that the petition is created on premise of a  misunderstanding on how contact tracing app work..

Desmond Koh
[8:48 pm, 09/06/2020] : i know u r talking about me, so i need to come out to defuse :)

Alvin
[8:49 pm, 09/06/2020] : govtech and other gov ministries are doing a good job don't worry
[8:49 pm, 09/06/2020] : the majority of public is supportive of the increased measures

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:50 pm, 09/06/2020] : Glad we're on the same wavelength leh bro if he can respect me for PT, surely he can respect you for IT! 🙃

Desmond Koh
[8:53 pm, 09/06/2020] : Thanks! haha
IT is a wide topic, everyone have their own views and so often we might not be right at time....
only time will tell what is right or wrong and there are more important to worry!!
Such as what to eat for lunch and dinner when one had been WFH since Jan haha

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:56 pm, 09/06/2020] : 🙏
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REACH
[7:50 pm, 09/06/2020] : Singaporeans must stay ‘disciplined and vigilant’, prepare for more challenging times amid COVID-19: Lawrence Wong
Singaporeans must stay “disciplined and vigilant” in the fight against COVID-19 as the virus is not likely to go away, said Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong on Tuesday (Jun 9).
“We have to be realistic and gird ourselves for more challenging times,” he said in a televised address.
“We must therefore adapt to COVID-19 and learn to live with it over the long-term. This does not depend upon Government actions alone. Every one of us, Government, businesses and individuals, must do our part. What’s critical is people’s behaviour and mindsets.”
More: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-vigilant-disciplined-lawrence-wong-national-broadcast-12819616

REACH
[7:47 pm, 09/06/2020] : 📢 Topic 📢
1. Which part of Minister Lawrence Wong’s speech was the most meaningful for you?
2. How can we adapt to COVID-19 and its impact for the long haul?

[7:49 pm, 09/06/2020] : 1. There is no formula for success.

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Desmond Koh
[9:16 pm, 09/06/2020] : erm.. only the the courts can determine if he got misled people or not..  we not the judge, AGC or Police, so we should refrain from assuming or judging...
As i said, minister already addressed the concerns, so is up to him if he want to be the man to correct himself given that he created that petition based on the available facts at that time :)
Also can i quote you, please?
We are all adults, we looks at facts and informations, we are not so easy to be misled by the sugar-coating of the petition :)

[9:18 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Correct.
I let the Minister correct him.
I am just concern about the 40,000 or so people who sign the petition.

Desmond Koh
[9:20 pm, 09/06/2020] : ok lor as you say so :)
I was thinking everyday so many petitions, if all need to be very accurate (single source of truth) i think minister will be very busy clear on the backlogs haha

[9:22 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
The impact of petition - will lead to failure of virus prevention that cost us $100 billion.
Is it serious enough to respond?

[9:23 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
40000 sign is not a small number of people.

Desmond Koh
[9:24 pm, 09/06/2020] : my goodness. these ppl sign blindly
Petition to dethrone Trump.

[9:24 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
What is this got to do with us?

Desmond Koh
[9:26 pm, 09/06/2020] : quiz time: think deepr
Petition to dethrone Trump.

[9:26 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Sorry I don't waste time on irrelevant issue.

Desmond Koh
[9:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : oops, this petition already closed, i not asking people to sign up haha

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : See you're being rude again

[9:28 pm, 09/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Then tell me how to respond?

Blue and White Flag Guy
[9:27 pm, 09/06/2020] : But Megan see petition link, Megan whip out yellow kad! Hahaha

Desmond Koh
[9:28 pm, 09/06/2020] : deleted, sorry Megan!!

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REACH - 98. Resiliency and Unity in PM speech (SK)
08 Jun 2020 (12pm - 8pm)

REACH
[11:44 am, 08/06/2020] : [Sent by Gov.sg – 8 Jun]
Overcoming COVID-19 together
S'pore has made progress in fight against COVID-19
- New cases have come down
- Dormitory situation stabilised
- Healthcare system coping well
- Low fatalities
Learning to live with COVID
- Adjust the way we live, work, and play to reduce spread of virus
🛣 Next few yrs will be difficult
- Global and local economy badly affected
- Some industries permanently changed; need to reinvent to survive
More retrenchments and unemployment expected
- Priority is helping S’poreans find/keep jobs
- Retaining & attracting talent & investments
S’pore is focused on:
- rebuilding transport & trade links
- making supply chains more resilient
- improving social safety nets
🇸🇬 Together, we can emerge stronger from this crisis
More: go.gov.sg/nb-7june

REACH
[11:48 am, 08/06/2020] : Dear contributors,
Welcome back! Our chat will be open from 12pm to 8pm today.
Please be reminded to be respectful and considerate to others in this WhatsApp chat group.
The topic will be posted shortly.

REACH
[12:01 pm, 08/06/2020] : 📢 Topic 📢
How can we remain united and resilient to overcome this crisis?
On 7th June, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong delivered the first in a series of national broadcasts where Singapore’s leaders will lay out the nation’s post-COVID-19 plans. During the broadcast, titled “Overcoming the Crisis of a Generation”, PM Lee outlined the breadth of challenges Singapore faces and the plans to overcome it.
Said PM Lee: “For our plans to succeed, for our hopes and dreams to come true, we need one final ingredient – the unity and resilience of our people”. He also added: “Together, let us take Singapore safely through this crisis, and make the Singapore spirit flourish in the world”.
👉 https://cna.asia/377n08s
👉 https://cna.asia/3dHOB2m
👉 https://str.sg/JPgN
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[12:02 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
1. Tenacity
2. Resiliency
3. Competency
4. Transform to survive
5. Reskill
6. 💓 Heart
7. Unity
8. Personal sacrifices
9. Adaptability

Few keywords summarizes the few key statement above.

Zen Telepathy .... Not leaking .......

Hahahaha

[12:08 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Once the Economy open in phases, we must not close it back.

Hence safety safeguard have to put in place to ring-fence the infection risk.

If infection occur, isolate the infection in module, close the module, treat and quarantine - while letting the rest of the economy to continue to run.

Ensure everyone take the safety safeguard seriously and not lower the guard.

We may have to continue to operate in this mode - until effective vaccines and treatment arrive.

Franco
[12:29 pm, 08/06/2020] : If we can swab test the teachers, nursing home workers, fw(non-dorm) for construction site, why can't be do the following:
1.  Those who need to go to school need to produce a swab test result proving negative. We can start off with graduating cohorts first, ie. P6, Sec 4&5, JC2 & Pre-U3.
2.  Those Workpass & Work Permit holders not staying in the controlled dorms should show proof of swab test negative result before being allowed to go to work in the community
3.  Those companies who  cannot WFH, must work in office, besides applying to get approval to work in the office, ao must show proof of swab test taken and negative result.
If we do the above, isn't it safer to go back to live our lives in the community?

Blue and White Guy
[12:33 pm, 08/06/2020] : But swab tests aren't foolproof
How many swab tests does it take to prove that someone is really healthy?
It also doesn't helped when the results hops from positive to negative and then back to positive, back and forth
It isn't as easy as swabbing and that's it. In fact, it's swab and swab and swab, separated by timing

Rama
[12:34 pm, 08/06/2020] : https://goodyfeed.com/zoom-retrenchments/amp/?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=active

CQ
[12:36 pm, 08/06/2020] : Agree. Plus even if I test negative today, doesn't mean I can't pick up an infection tomorrow.

Franco
[12:37 pm, 08/06/2020] : better than dun test?
[12:37 pm, 08/06/2020] : its going back to community to work or study....

Blue and White Guy
[12:37 pm, 08/06/2020] : Better than testing and yielding absolutely nothing out of it

Franco
[12:37 pm, 08/06/2020] : so dun test?
[12:38 pm, 08/06/2020] : let new cases show up then deal with it?

Blue and White Guy
[12:38 pm, 08/06/2020] : It's a known fact that we need consecutive negative to prove someone is negative, how many test kits do you want to use on people?

REACH
[12:39 pm, 08/06/2020] : Contact tracing device will not track location, and people can use TraceTogether if they prefer: Vivian Balakrishnan
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/contact-tracing-device-will-not-track-location-and-people-can-use-tracetogether-if-they?

Franco
[12:40 pm, 08/06/2020] : our fw who r in controlled dorms r test negative, went back to work, contact with a nontested person who is not staying in a controlled residence, so this fw(dorm) got infected, brings back to his dorm....ha! the whole cycle starts again.

Blue and White Guy
[12:40 pm, 08/06/2020] : This should only be made mandatory to those who cannot install TraceTogether/SaferTogether or are having issues with the app working on their devices such as iphones because of the background issue

Blue and White Guy
[12:43 pm, 08/06/2020] : The point is testing just once isn't conclusive enough to certify someone to return to work or to school
Due to the nature of this virus, multiple swabs are needed and that takes away money as well as time
It's simply not effective, even if the test can produce results within hours or minutes, the time frame between tests remain as a constant

JK
[12:47 pm, 08/06/2020] : More Jobs should be given

Leonard Lau
[12:48 pm, 08/06/2020] : They are locked up in the dormitory now  and those negatives had been isolated and move to elsewhere .. I doubt the infection rate can take place .

Franco
[12:50 pm, 08/06/2020] : then wats the standard to  follow on who has to be tested and who not to be tested?

Blue and White Guy
[12:56 pm, 08/06/2020] : I'm not saying they shouldn't be tested, I'm actually questioning the efficiency of it

Ben
[12:57 pm, 08/06/2020] : Better than nothing though. As the phrase goes, let's not allow perfection to be the enemy of good.

Blue and White Guy
[12:58 pm, 08/06/2020] : Never heard of that phrase but efficiency is still important, especially when you have to test so many people

Ben
[12:59 pm, 08/06/2020] : more evidence on the contagious stages seems to be most effective

Ben
[1:00 pm, 08/06/2020] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good
[1:00 pm, 08/06/2020] : I agree masks and tests are not the solution
[1:00 pm, 08/06/2020] : They are all we have though, if we want the economy to open up.
[1:01 pm, 08/06/2020] : If they can conclusively show contagion stops after 20 days that would also help.
[1:01 pm, 08/06/2020] : And... if there is an antibody test that shows someone will not contract the illness that is another arrow in the bow!

Blue and White Guy
[1:04 pm, 08/06/2020] : I didn't say anything about masks though

Ben
[1:04 pm, 08/06/2020] : True, I think others have though. It's been an ongoing topic, as well as Bluetooth :)

Blue and White Guy
[1:05 pm, 08/06/2020] : Don't get someone started on BT lol

Ben
[1:05 pm, 08/06/2020] : 😷


[1:07 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.dkv.global/covid-safety-assessment-200-regions


[1:07 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心: Singapore rank 4th.

Ben
[1:09 pm, 08/06/2020] : Strange NZ - very few deaths and considered clear of the virus, yet they are #9

[1:12 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
I think is the process and safety safeguard as well as how we transform our economy vis-a-vis of how we contain the virus within our dense population in a confined small space.

Franco
[1:15 pm, 08/06/2020] : NZ is not a good comparison to our country Singapore. We have almost the same population of 5 million. But NZ has vast land, we r densely populated.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:16 pm, 08/06/2020] : That is true, but they're more obedient than us (as a whole, of course), and I'll give that to them

Franco
[1:21 pm, 08/06/2020] : obedient or not, tat I won't know cos I m not there to see. But I cannot base on hear-say or mere reports that there were no "sovereign" or"non~cooperative uncles and Aunties"...haha....

Ben
[1:22 pm, 08/06/2020] : Agreed. A table with ranking explicitly makes comparisons. I was wondering on what basis they were comparing countries which as you say are very different.

Franco
[1:23 pm, 08/06/2020] : dun koe. I guess these r just one of those reports....

Blue and White Flag Guy
[1:23 pm, 08/06/2020] : At least for Auckland, from one of my LinkedIn connections, he mentioned that the people there follow the government's guidelines

Franco
[1:23 pm, 08/06/2020]  tats good.

[1:33 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
All these independent international reports will be read by foreign investors before they commit investment.

It is one of the consideration criteria that foreign investors will take into account.

Thus important for us to take the safety safeguard seriously while we open up our economy for business.

[1:35 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
My close friend say :-

Helpful in negotiating travel green lanes.

Francis Lim
[1:42 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yea, agreed it will be no ending of continuous testing and consume the all the resources..
it will be good if scientist able to invent those indicator to wear.. if someone expose to such viruses it will change colour.

Franco
[1:47 pm, 08/06/2020] : haha.....nice....Dr Einstein!

Rama
[1:47 pm, 08/06/2020] : https://www.facebook.com/MOFsg/photos/a.438726952818245/3352801548077423/?type=3&__tn__=-R

CQ
[1:49 pm, 08/06/2020] : Haha! Or a wearable that you can cough on it and it'll show whether you're OK or not on a daily basis. 😝

[2:16 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-light-up-face-masks-20200515-dj7hjz26xvbrrfwzlyossmttsi-story.html                                              
Face mask that will light up when come into contact with covid virus

Rama
[2:19 pm, 08/06/2020] : Wow

[2:30 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Singapore R&D eg. A*Star can try to develop such face masks.

We have capabilities in developing such sensors in the face masks that can detect the gene of the covid.

Eg Fortitude test kits is our first invention.

Rama
[2:33 pm, 08/06/2020] : - Calvin Cheng

MTI and COVID19 - AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS YOU DID NOT SEE

If you paid attention to PM Lee's speech just now, you would not have missed the part that we are now getting eggs from Poland.

This is one of the important things that have been happening behind the scenes that Singaporeans do not see.

All many see are dorms, masks and number of cases and think those are the most important problems that Singapore and Singaporeans are facing.

No.

Behind the scenes, Singapore was, and still is facing an existential crisis.

Supply lines were collapsing as every country started to think only of themselves, and halted the export of food and medical supplies.

Singapore is self-sufficient for neither.

And although we have stockpiled, it was in expectation of short, localised shortages, not a global collapse of supplies.

Not like this.

For example, Vietnam, the second largest exporter of rice, stopped exports.

The MCO in Malaysia greatly reduced our supply of vegetables, poultry and eggs.

It was here that the men and women of the Ministry of Trade and Industry worked day and night to secure Singapore's existence.

To keep us fed.

A team led by Minister Chan Chun Sing, SMSes Koh Poh Koon and Chee Hong Tat.

Ably assisted by Permanent Secretary Gabriel Lim.

The thing about working behind the scenes is that it is something nobody appreciates.

So they laugh at Minister Chan's gaffes.

But the critics do not and cannot appreciate his sleepless nights working to ensure that Singapore has enough food and other critical supplies.

We have been busy negotiating with far flung places to diversify our food supply.

Poland is one.

The Ukraine is another.

The crisis is not over.

After months of lockdowns worldwide, global harvests and even livestock are threatened.

The world is facing an imminent food shortage.

This is NOT A JOKE.

Unlike Taiwan and New Zealand who can shut their borders and be food independent, we cannot.

Minister Chan and his team continue day and night to ensure Singaporeans don't starve.

You may think I am exaggerating.

I assure you I am not.

So instead of laughing at Minister Chan, these people should be thanking him, regardless of how much he is being paid.

And pray that he succeeds.

If he doesn't, we are all in trouble.

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Blue and White Flag Guy
[5:24 pm, 08/06/2020] : If people already make so much noise about privacy, I don't think it'll be easy to overcome this

Ben
[5:25 pm, 08/06/2020] : Agreed - not easy. Not likely to happen. Also very hard for a Gov to push through as it looks like self-interest.

CQ
[5:25 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yah... So much hoo ha about the dongle

Blue and White Flag Guy
[5:25 pm, 08/06/2020] : And now wearables

Ben
[5:25 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yep - benefits all round. Winning the hearts nigh on impossible. Too easy to stir up resistance.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[5:26 pm, 08/06/2020] : That Wilson Low guy who started the petition must be using the George Floyd incident to push his agenda, note he uses the term "police state"

Rama
[5:26 pm, 08/06/2020] : He could be unknowingly inviting ISD!

Ben
[5:27 pm, 08/06/2020] : I wish petitioners actually had some expertise on the subject. Maybe petitions should need endorsing by professionals, or a disclaimer added to people know more about the source.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[5:27 pm, 08/06/2020] : People are misled by the actual effects of petitions, I'll let Leonard do the explaining

Leonard Lau
[5:35 pm, 08/06/2020] : I guess Wilson did not check the technology involved in this wearable .
No personal data is captured since no GPS/internet  capability involved in this wearable  . How did G track him ?
I supposed he is worried when  he is told to surrender his wearable ; he needs to reveal his details. This wearable just need to know what are the other people that he had contacted with so that the contact tracing team is able to track the people quicker .
The privacy intrusion  is very
Limited.

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[7:12 pm, 08/06/2020] : 📢TOPIC📢
What do you think of the wearable TraceTogether tokens in helping to contact trace cases within the community?
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-contact-tracing-wearable-devices-trace-together-12815796
[7:13 pm, 08/06/2020] : Depends on the form factor. And need to re-charge or not

REACH
[7:14 pm, 08/06/2020] : Dear Contributors,
We would love to hear more from you! ❤
We will be extending the chat to 9PM today.
Thank you!
- Megan

[7:20 pm, 08/06/2020] : https://www.facebook.com/109555293685/posts/10158487224213686/?sfnsn=wa&d=w&vh=e

[7:26 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
The virus will hit us if we don't take measures to curb its spread.

This wearable dongle is one means to quickly identify those people who come into contact with infectious people.

This will help MOH to quickly trace all these contacts and do the necessary actions to treat, isolate or quarantine.

The dongle is a mean to protect people, not to harm or intrude our privacy.

Ben
[7:27 pm, 08/06/2020] : Makes sense, but requires support of community which will be hard if not clearly explained. People are suspicious already. They use Facebook and Google because there is a benefit. For trace dongle they don't see benefit and don't trust the tech. It's also inconvenience to carry another device.
[7:27 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yes agreed. Seems very hard to convince wider public though.

Alvin
[7:28 pm, 08/06/2020] : I think it’s a good idea for wearables. If don’t nicely, it will help with elderly or seniors who don’t have smartphones or dunno how to use them. It’s also good younger children who don’t carry mobile phones but still go to school. My 2.14 cents.
[7:28 pm, 08/06/2020] : *done

[7:29 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
If people are receptive and collaborate with the government to bring the dongle everytime we go out, then economy can be open up quicker - as any infection can be quickly arrested and contain - without letting it flare up and go out of control undetected.

CQ
[7:30 pm, 08/06/2020] : I'll be happy with the wearable! Will probably uninstall Trace Together app for the wearable.

Rama
[7:30 pm, 08/06/2020] : Agree
[7:31 pm, 08/06/2020] : Any issue with both!?

CQ
[7:31 pm, 08/06/2020] : No point having both which serve the same purpose. Plus I don't know if the wearable will pick up my own phone as a ping??

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:32 pm, 08/06/2020] : I would because I hate how everyone forces us to install apps, like as if we have infinite storage space

[7:33 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Public are very naive that Google map track every movement of people who use the handphone.

Every route a person take, shopping malls visited and any place are tagged and recorded with date and time stamp via GPS.

So if the public is worried about the dongle - it is nothing compare to the goggle map.

[7:35 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Attached is how the Google map track a person carrying it's handphone.
All stored in the location history of the Google map.

Caleb
[7:35 pm, 08/06/2020] : Can turn off right?

[7:37 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
You can if you know how.
Many people don't.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:37 pm, 08/06/2020] : Don't make it sound so hard
In fact mamy people don't even turn off Location because they don't know what it is

[7:39 pm, 08/06/2020] ☸️  Danny 心:
Even if you can turn off location tracking - mobile signal and GPS also can track your route and location - with date and time stamp.

CQ
[7:40 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yeah, Google, Facebook, IG, running apps..... Just to name a few. It baffles me that people are OK with sharing all their info on social media and having commercial companies holding all the info without knowing how the information is being used, but object to the Govt issuing a dongle to assist in contact tracing.
I can't remember where I've seen the quote before, but it says "if you're not paying for a product, then you're the product".

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:40 pm, 08/06/2020] : Aggregated at most, not as accurate as GPS fixing

Ben
[7:41 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yes - this is good messaging and what we need to focus on. Maybe an FAQ to alleviate people's fear about security, privacy etc would help.

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:41 pm, 08/06/2020] : Ben makes a good point on giving benefits, there's literally none they'll appreciate though the benefit is of course the effort to stem the spread

Ben
[7:43 pm, 08/06/2020] : Maybe there can be updates on how many infections were stopped through use of dongle? Or some other stat that makes clear the benefit. We need to see the benefit - make it relevant and personal.

XaniceAfcai
[7:44 pm, 08/06/2020] : I dun mind wearing it. Of cos, ppl will need to educate how to use and maintain it.
Hope this new device will also lessen the load of tracer to manual count at the backend etc..
One thing is.. Is the device waterproof? Likewise, the hpb tracker is not waterproof.

Rama
[7:44 pm, 08/06/2020] : Thanks
[7:44 pm, 08/06/2020] : Agree

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:45 pm, 08/06/2020] : They should make the tracker functional so it's not just a tracker, it can serve as a watch as well

Ben
[7:45 pm, 08/06/2020] : Also agree - maybe that's the benefit, no need to use TT app. Maybe show the dongle and no need to scan in and out of shops. That's a plus!
[7:45 pm, 08/06/2020] : lol I thought of something similar - like a step tracker, but then realised we don't really want people wandering around at the moment!

Rama
[7:46 pm, 08/06/2020] : Too many apps on my phone!

CQ
[7:46 pm, 08/06/2020] : Yes!! I wish that could be done!

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:47 pm, 08/06/2020] : Screw the scanning honestly lol I haven't been exposed to it but I can already tell it's leceh

XaniceAfcai
[7:48 pm, 08/06/2020] : I will turn off. Dun want drain my battery.

XaniceAfcai
[7:48 pm, 08/06/2020] : Hope it is waterproof

Blue and White Flag Guy
[7:49 pm, 08/06/2020] : Last time I always see my friends leave Location on so I ask them, you know what this is for anot?
They say dunno 😂

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REACH
[8:46 pm, 08/06/2020] : Hello REACH Contributors!
⏰ We will be closing the chat in 15 minutes ⏰
As always, thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight! 😴

Blue and White Flag Guy
[8:56 pm, 08/06/2020] : You sure not 4 minutes? You said 9pm hor

Ken
[8:56 pm, 08/06/2020] : Lol

Alvin
[8:57 pm, 08/06/2020] : Gdnight! Remember, wearables are desirable!! :3

Blue and Whtie Flag Guy
[9:01 pm, 08/06/2020] : Wow shut up and take my 2.14¢ already! 😂

CQ
[9:02 pm, 08/06/2020] : Mine too!

Ken
[9:02 pm, 08/06/2020] : As usual when they throw the idea out there... usually is already pre approved 😆

REACH
[9:02 pm, 08/06/2020] : Hi REACH Contributors,
We will be closing the chat for today.
Thank you very much for being part of our WhatsApp chat and participating actively.
Goodnight,
Megan ☺
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